A New York Times article today about how New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is being cast as the No. 1 enemy of gun rights noted that "on the Web site of The Wichita Eagle, one writer wonders why a New York mayor is ‘telling the people of Kansas what to do.’" Well, more accurately, the quote is from a comment that "Max" posted on this blog. But it goes to show the wide reach of WE Blog. Who knows who may be reading your post?
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Now that’s neat. Hi Hillary! I love you woman! Thought you did an awesome job last night.
Hey, Bloomberg, we have a lot of guns in Kansas.
I’d note that the NY Times also, in it’s article, does not point out note what is painfully clear when one reads the Tiahart amendment: it does not do what Bloomburg and Co. claim it does. The Bloomburg group’s premise, at least as to the Tiahart amendment, is based on a lie.
But pointing that out would take real journalism. And the NY Times no longer does real journalism any more than the Eagle does, at least on this issue.
So Bloomburg and Co. continues to use a complicit media to spread a lie, and the media – supposedly a watchdog on public officials – continues to be a compliant lapdog.
Yes, Eagle, this means you. A compliant lapdog.
I was reading something this weekend that noted how the Internet is now the great equalizer.
In the (somewhat) anonymous world of the Internet race, sex, sexual orientation, age, income level, geographical location, religious backgroud, etc can all be irrelevant.
For the most part anyone that has access can share their thoughts and ideas and have those judged on their own merits, not those of the person having the idea.
I thought this post was right on the money about Bloomberg’s agenda:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/tiahrt_bloomber.html#comment-70696936
Bloomburg has done nothing and said nothing that threatens my gun ownership.
I always assume Bush’s boys are mining the internet, and anything posted is most likely being screened by big bro.
Phant,Not Big Brother, just a zillion little brothers, and we don’t have enough quarters to make’em all go away!
Well, now that we know that everything we post here is going to reflect, for better or worse, on the image of the good state of Kansas, maybe we better keep it neat!
Perhaps New York doesn’t like guns for the same reason they give out clean needles; to keep their drug addicts alive and not hinder their ability to rob and steal money for the street drugs.
You can’t make money off of dead muggers.
Ed,Think ‘population density’ and you will figure out some other more likely reasons.
Brian, Tell us all the reasons that “population density” brings to your mind.
How many people could possibly die if someone goes crazy and starts shooting in Wichita? How many people could possibly die if someone goes crazy and starts shooting in Manhattan NYC?Population density
How many private citizens could legally be carrying and shooting back in Wichita? Thousands.
How many private citizens could legally be carrying and shooting back in NYC? Zero
Hi Hillary you worthless democratic bimbo.
I have an older brother who lives in Alabama. I just found he carries a .45 around. Went and got his CC license.
No requirements. No training required after he bought the handgun and got his license.
Passed a background check. He said the office was filled with a large cross section of Alabama citizens.
Citizens have their right to guns, but to carry, where is the government oversight. There has to be.
My brother took it upon himself to target practice. Those costs add up.
Some people, who knows where they go the gun have a instant license to carry it.
The gun should be registered with license. Does it matter what kind of gun someone is carrying, possibly.
Where they got it should matter to the state. What if its a stolen gun someone is carrying around, legally.
Remember, no eye tests are given when people get a license to carry. When they buy a gun.
Cars are weapons in some crimes, why isn’t a gun license treated the same way.
Mrage:
Treat a firearm license the same as a license to drive? No problem! Where do I sign up?
My license to drive applies only if I drive on public roads; it is not required if I do not drive on public roads. Neither is the vehicle required to be registered.
The DL is insanely easy to get, cheap, and nearly universal (so much so it is our de facto ID card) and the renewal is an open-book, take home test.
My DL is good from Canada to Mexico, no questions asked.
Taking my DL from me requires that I violate the driving laws, and do so repeatedly; it cannot be taken for violations of unrelated laws. And it requires a hearing, with the right to counsel, and the burden on the State. And I can nearly always, in time and good behavior, get it back.
I’d say that for most Americans, the “right” to drive, and have a DL to do so, is more routine and more expected, certainly, than a right to own or carry a firearm. Just try to take it away, and watch the crying begin.
Add to that the fact that firearms are, at least at some level, constitutionally protected for individuals to own. I don’t see your proposal as a restriction on firearms, Mrage. It’s a serious expansion of firearm privileges.
You sure you want to do that?
Does anyone know, by the way, why the NY Times website was down all day today?
Mrage, sounds like you have a wonderful brother!
Yet you’re so fearful of any firearm, you don’t even trust your brother with a gun?
And how is your brother so different from other Americans who chose to exercise their 2nd Amendment right?
Mrage, I suggest you IMMEDIATELY go see your brother. Council him, but listen to his side. Have him take you to the gun range and show you how proficient he is with the firearm.
Then (if you dare!)have him teach you how to safely handle a gun, and try shooting one once.
Many paranoid anti-gun nuts have been converted in just this manner, to enthusiastic supporters of gun rights, and participants in the shooting sports.
Ignorance is not something to be ashamed about. Refusing to learn more about something you care about so much, yet have little or no practical knowledge about, is something you should be ashamed about.
I’m guessing you’re now going to tell me you are a gun expert, but from your posts, that does not appear to be the case.
And though I most strongly disagree with GMC’s proposal to register guns and license gun owners, I do see one advantage in being able to carry firearms in all 50 states and now the DC.
Afterall, if the drivers license gives us this same right, and you are saying we should do the same for guns, at least there would be one big upside to this proposal.
The downside, the confiscation attempt may happen anyway. Though any nationwide confiscation attempt would result in the deaths of millions of Americans.
Site that point out the high number of accidental shootings by trained and qualified persons.
Yeah, Max, it’s not a problem at all!
http://www.optacinternational.com/officersafety/pdfs/WhyAreWeKillingOurselves.pdf
A while back, the cops got into a running gunfight with gang members in Old Town. The police fired something over 50 shots and none of them hit their mark. Now those bullets didn’t just vanish, and in a place as highly populated as Old Town, it’s a major miracle no innocent bystanders got shot. These were police officers that were shooting, officers that were supposedly highly trained in the use of firearms. Imagine what might’ve happened if a hundred or so angry bozos with CC permits, no training and a few drinks under their belts had joined into that firefight? One thing’s for sure; none of them would be thought of as heros!
Mom, you are more likely to be killed falling down, then by getting shot accidently.
Step carefully now.
Jed, you ever been to a gun range? Most civilian shooters I know practice shooting more frequently and are better shots then the cops. And some cops even admit that, especially after pointing out all the rounds hitting the walls and ceilings at an indoor range. Anecdotal Jed.
Hammers should all be registered, and licensed. Think about someone going bonkers at some Shopping Mall with an unregistered unlicensed Hammer { hidden under their coat in the middle of summer }.
Or, worst yet, an unregistered unlicensed brick.
So there are more than 5,000 children dying from falls in this country every year, Max?Why do I get the impression that citizens who carry weapons around in public have SMS?
Max:
I did not propose registering gun owners and licensing guns. On the contrary, I’d oppose same. I pointed out that treating firearms like DL licenses would be a dramatic easing on firearms restrictions, not tightening.
GMC,
You think its easy to get drivers license, some fret about passing eye tests, believe me.
They may cheat renewing a drivers license on the paperwork.
Gun license doesn’t have an eye test. So its less prohibitive than the drivers license.
One gun checked for good service and clean, should be registered by the state with the gun license.
That no way requires every other gun a person has to be registered.
Max,
I have no questions about my brother’s gun use. His nature, I’m sure he practices shooting in Alabama.
He got it being threatened by an abusive guy, the story he told me.
A friend running from that abuse stayed with him. The bad guy banged on the door and came in, saying he was going to kill my brother for protecting her.
Police got the guy I guess, but he wasn’t in jail very long. My brother claimed he only had knives to defend himself so suddenly that night.
The lady didn’t come to his house with a sob story. She just arrived to say hello, then the bad man showed up really angry.
A shotgun he had was stolen from his home, months before. That robbery caused him to move.
Never replaced that. Felt threatened, found the ease of buying a handgun and getting the license.
He now feels a protector of his neighbors as well, because of an older lady next door and older couple across the street.
I told stop him feeling that way.
He not licensed or trained to be an armed protector in the street.
Help people with their home security issues, better doors and locks. Lights. Security alarms and service if people can afford those things.
I don’t where the family of his neighbors are to help the older people.
I’m not impressed at gun ranges. I’m bored.
America is armed, but many aren’t.
Most of America still isn’t carrying a gun around.
Reports of crimes rising don’t help calm fears.
I can’t ask my parents in their 70’s to arm themselves. They get around Wichita for decades now, not feeling threatened. Living on borrowed time I guess.
I don’t have any faith a gun will save my life as this society exists today.
My shotgun and rifle all I need for protection. They have uses for hunting.
I have moral problem buying guns not used for hunting.
Anyone who claims confiscation could happen is a paranoid. Paranoids do arm themselves.
Anecdotal Max,”Jed, you ever been to a gun range? Most civilian shooters I know practice shooting more frequently and are better shots then the cops.”
rrriiiight! Maybe you know a better than average class of shooters. We’ll never know how competent any one CC pemit holder is, since there are no meaningful qualifications other than a working trigger finger and an instant background check.
CCH does require an eye test, Not in the form of an E-A-G-F chart, but in a qualifying number of hits on the target. That “test” combines not only eye skills, but aiming ability, breathing, firing, etc. Believe me, the Kansas lawmakers and the Attorney General’s office did their homework on this one. Our CCH permit is one of the most demanding, time-consuming, and expensive in the country. As far as “thousands” of CCH holders returning fire, remember that we’re only at about 8000 holders right now, and it’ll probably level off soon. Maybe 10K. Far, far less chance of having a CCH holder as an innocent bystander returning fire than the chance of a Law Enforcement Officer being present. Some LEO’s are very proficient with handguns, and some just barely qualify each year, and don’t practice otherwise. Another “roll of the dice,” it seems. Also, the odds of having a LEO or a CCH present during a public armed crime is, I would guess, far, far less than the chances of an armed criminal (carrying concealed without a permit is a crime) being present.CCH holders are sport-shooters, and pride themselves on their ability to fire a handgun with accuracy, and only in a proper, protected situation. On the range, or even in a hostile situation, we are trained to recognize threats, backstops, etc. I am 100% confident that time will prove us out to be no statistical threat, criminal or accidental, to anybody. Will there be a CCH holder in place to “save the day,” as some have hypothesized? The numbers say the odds of that happening are low. CCH is primarily for our self-defense, an inalienable right.
Jed, you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about when you refer to an instant background check and a working trigger finger! The background check is a true FBI check, and it takes weeks! Working trigger finger? Then how do several people fail the test based on range score alone?Your accusations always refer to CC holders, when those who are licensed know that it is CCH (concealed carry handgun) as opposed to CCW (concealed carry weapon) as in some states.All your posts about us refer to us as uneducated, and bozos. What on earth is with you? You’re just airing your ignorance and predudice.You are another case of those making accusations based on emotion, without knowledge or the facts. Get smart!
oops, prejudice, not predudice! Just a typo
Mary,
Once again, I ask you to be HONEST about that children number.
Everytime you refuse.
How many of those “Children” were actually gang members?
How many of those “Children” were suicides?
What is the age of those who are qualified as “Children?”
How many of those “Children” were actually accidental shootings?
Really Mary, simply throwing around your 5,000 children are killed by guns claim is getting old.
Excuse me, I must have seen the bottom of the barrel. I know three people who got permits. one is fairly responsible, has been around firearms for a long time. The second is an on again, off again cokehead car salesman. Not really who I’d want packing! The third is psychotic and couldn’t find a target or aim a gun when he’s taking his Risperdal, and shouldn’t be allowed anything more dangerous than a crayon when he’s not! He’s scary enough off meds and unarmed. I’d hate to find him packing heat and unmedicated, with a built-in guaranteed insanity defense!These people all got a permit. While I’m reasonably sure they don’t represent the majority here, the fact that they got through the supposed safeguards makes me wonder how many others like them did.
Guns are not a problem here in Texas, but become a problem to those who want to take them away.
ED !!!
I grew up in SA. You in Austin?
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