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Open thread 6/7
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted June 7, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Phillip Brownlee started this thread a few days ago:
“Post comments on WE Blog, get quoted in New York Times”http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/post_comments_o.html
How did Phillip miss the posting to the National Review Online that also mentions the Wichita Eagle’s blog?
Spinning a TwisterTwo storms struck a tiny town in Kansas last month. One rages on.http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzNlNjdkZGU0NzU0OTg2ZTA2YzY1NTY0MGNiNzhjYmM
“Although ink on this peculiar twist of the tale has yet to appear in a single Kansas newspaper, that detail about New Orleans did catch the eye of Phillip Brownlee, the opinion page editor of the Wichita Eagle. He asked the governor’s office for details. Citing Sebelius’s press secretary, Brownlee assured readers of the paper’s blog that ‘Sebelius didn’t attend any of the jazz festival and left her family in New Orleans, flying back Saturday afternoon using a plane arranged by Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco. Sebelius didn’t go to Greensburg until Sunday, Corcoran said, because Kansas National Guard Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting told her it would be best to wait until then. That way she wouldn’t disrupt ongoing rescue efforts.’”http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/sebelius_did_no.html
“So politically sensitive is the press in Kansas that even asking a mildly awkward question of their governor is seen as a right-wing witch-hunt conducted in the full light of a cross-burning.”
Where’s Phillip’s WE blog entry for getting mentioned by the NRO?
National Review Online isn’t a real news source. Well it is if you consider the Drudge Report and the bathroom stalls at WSU news.
Doug, don’t diss stalls at WSU. It may have saved my life to know what numbers NOT to call for a good time! :)
Suspect Arrested in Kidnap, Murder of Kansas Teen Kelsey Smith
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278777,00.html
This should scare the daylights of ANY american citizen who believes in the First Amendment…
Another in a long line of reasons to despise the corrupt Guiliani.
ronpaulisright.blogspot.com/2007/06/contact-numbers-to-protest-bogus-arrest.html
Guiliani has reporter arrested for asking question.
Did anybody know that a US Senator died Monday?
Didn’t make any national news or even in any newspapers. I guess people are so worried about Paris Hilton’s day-to-day jail sentence.
By the way, the new news is that she was released today.
From a review of “Screwed: America’s Undeclared War on the Middle Class”
“America wasn’t meant to be like this. Air America Radio host Thom Hartmann shows that our Founding Fathers worked hard to ensure that a small group of wealthy people would never dominate this country–they’d had enough of aristocracy. They put policies in place to ensure a thriving middle class. When the middle class took a hit, beginning in the post-Civil War Gilded Age and culminating in the Great Depression, democracy-loving leaders like Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and Dwight Eisenhower revitalized it through initiatives like antitrust regulations, fair labor laws, the minimum wage, Social Security, and Medicare.
“So what happened? In the last twenty-five years, we’ve witnessed an undeclared war against the middle class. The so-called conservatives waging this war are only interested in conserving–and steadily increasing–their own wealth and power. Hartmann shows how, under the guise of ‘freeing’ the market, they’ve systematically dismantled the programs set up by Republicans and Democrats to protect the middle class and have installed policies that favor the superrich and corporations.
“But it’s not too late to return to the America our Founders envisioned. Hartmann outlines a series of commonsense proposals that will ensure that our public institutions are not turned into private fiefdoms and that people’s basic needs–education, health care, a living wage–are met in a way that allows the middle class to expand, not shrink.
“America will be stronger with a growing, prospering middle class–rule by the rich will only make it weaker. Democracy requires a fair playing field, and it will survive only if We the People stand up, speak out, and reclaim our democratic birthright.”
P_Mom,Guiliani is toast. This will do him in. Good riddance.
“asking a question to one of Giuliani’s staff members ”
My bad. He’ll fire the guy and dodge the bullet. Ain’t politics grand?
No, I don’t think he’ll eke out of this one.
He’s the one who gave the order, it’s his doing.
God if you think Bushco’s corruption is bad…
“635:2. A person is guilty of criminal trespass under these circumstances if(b) [he] knowingly enters or remains:(2) In any place in defiance of an order to leave or not to enter which was personally communicated to him by the owner or other authorized person . . .”
The kid is toast. Guiliani walks away clean.
Capn,they tried that in Russia.it is called socialism, communism.It called re-distribution of wealth.. we do it in America today..
The cops asked him to leave (don’t know how legal that was) but when he failed to leave, he became guilty of criminal trespass. Guiliani’s name is thrown around, but he was not involved. Betcha breakfast he walks clean from this.
youtube.com/watch?v=VOerYpJse30
Ron Paul KICKIN ASS !!!!youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8&mode=related&search=
“Did anybody know that a US Senator died Monday?
Didn’t make any national news or even in any newspapers.”Posted by: Joe Williams | June 07, 2007 at 09:37 AM
Joe! you need to widen your reading! I saw it in the Washington Post! the New York Times!and CNN!All are available online!
Yes, XXX — It was also on CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR, and MSNBC… to name only a few… Senator from Wyoming.. leukemia…
AND, it was also on AOL’s main Welcome Screen for a whole day…
“Paris Hilton was released from county jail early Thursday because of an undisclosed medical condition and will serve the remainder of her sentence confined to her mansion in West Hollywood.”http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/07/AR2007060700774.html?hpid=topnews
“an undisclosed medical condition”?!?! What, the biach broke a nail?
Once again it’s demonstrated that in America, you get the best justice money can buy.
If this had been any one of us, our butts would be rotting in jail.
Poor Paris. She has to be confined to her MANSION for 40 days.
According to tmz.com, the “medical problem” involved not eating the food served at the facility, IIRC.
“Poor Paris. She has to be confined to her MANSION for 40 days”Perhaps she should be confined to my house for the remainder of her sentence.No cable, no chef, no mansion
BG–
What I’m talking about has absolutely nothing to do with Communist Russia.
What I’m talking about is ending the socialism for the rich.
“What I’m talking about is ending the socialism for the rich.”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | June 07, 2007 at 12:00 PM
That is still redistribution of wealth, which by definition is exactly what Socialism is.
Increasing the minimum wage and laws to let labor organize (or actually just enforcing the ones we have — see WalMart) has nothing at all to do with a “planned economy” in which the government owns all the assets of the nation.
Not even close.
Da dah dup dup dah dah di dup dup DAH . . .
Go Ron Paul! You can’t win the GOP nomination, because even though conservative GOP and Indepedent and many Dem debate watchers prefer you, the fix is in. Romney is the GOP nominee, 13 months before the GOP convention takes place. Guiliani and McCain are side-show shills.
But at least you can expose the neocon capitalists’ frauds, and that can have an effect down the road.
Thom Hartmann’s reference to the post-Civil-Gilded Age, aka the age of robber barons, is exactly on cue. Then, as now, wealth was concentrated by stealing from the American public. Consider post-Civil-War Kansas. Railroads were granted Kansas’s most productive river-silted bottomlands. Those lands not granted were stolen by Eastern capitalists who fraudulently sent out temporary squatters, whose Morrill Act claims were sold by the capitalists to real farmers, at a profit. Moreover, the railroaders determined “winners and losers” among settlers by determining where grain-loading-and-shipping towns were sited, on previously publicly-owned lands.
Today, we have a phony “war against terror” combined with income-tax reductions, that generates massive public debt. China and the House of Saud buy up the debt, initially through Treasury purchases, which they trade to buy large chunks of America, including corporation stock and land.
China and Saudi Arabia are arch anti-democratic-republic regimes.
The leaders of China self-identify themselves as Communists.
Here’s an enlightening look at Saudi Arabia’s treatment of half its populace–women– as chattel:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/la-fg-women6jun06,1,1868599.story
Capn,your a socialist..Go to college make yourself more valueable to society if you want more..and quit talking about founders of the country.. they wanted to make it where people excel on their own… not take from one to give to another..
Unions are the biggest turds to stain our nation. They had their place once, but no longer. The UAW is crippling GM. The UAW has driven the price of a car to at least twice what it’s worth. It has made the workers lazy, careless, pride less, the list just goes on and on. There is no motivation to achieve. Seniority takes precedence over hard work.
Man, we could go round and round about unions capn.
“WASHINGTON – The death of Republican Sen. Craig Thomas will not change the balance of power in the Senate. Unlike many states, Wyoming law is designed to keep the same party in power after a vacancy.
Thomas, a conservative, died after a fight with leukemia that was diagnosed last year just as he was elected for a third term. He was 74.”
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/87597.html
I like their system to keep the seat in the Party that held it. That, in my view, is as it should be.
BG–
When I become a socialist, I’ll tell you I am a socialist. I know what a socialist is, and I am not one.
You write:
The founders wanted to make it where people excel on their own… not take from one to give to another..
EXACTLY RIGHT!
That’s why our government should not OUR oil (offshore American oil that belongs to all of us) and GIVE IT to oil companies for nothing.
That’s why our government should not give SUBSIDIES to oil companies who are making record profits.
That’s what I’m talking about–governement taking our money or assests and giving it to THE ALREADY RICH.
Sollie–
Look at the conditions for workers before unions and after unions.
Case closed.
The unions aren’t destroying GMC–their executives who keep making Tahoes when the public wants Civics destroyed GMC.
Unions was a good 19th Century and early 20th Century idea. However, after various rights were passed by Congress and the various States to address employer abuse of employees, Unions have become bloated, politically driven self-promoting money grabbers who do not give a hoot about the financial health of the companies they work for.
Prime example is the automobile industry. They unions have basically “voted” themselves out of market competitiveness with packages that accumulate in ever increasing costs for the employer as the workforce retires.
(more employees retired not part of the productivity force results in the most inefficient situation imaginable.)
Private investment plans would have been better for employees so they could have saved their pension plans being raided by greedy union representatives or borrowed from by clueless investors.
Unions have had their time in the sun. They are nothing but a roadblock to free enterprise now.
Da dah dup dup dah dah di dup dup DAH . . .
Capn,If you read my post – they had their place, but not anymore.
Case in point, an ex-neighbor test drove cars. The newer models, he drove them a couple hundred miles a day. When GM was really hurting I made the comment “Why not dump the union?”
You know what his response was? “Then I wouldn’t make $40 per hour.”
Now, does driving a brand new car around really mean you deserve $40 per hour. You could get high school kids to do it for $10 per hour. $10 per hour, about as much as the job is worth.
GM pushed up the speed on one of their lines. An employee filed an official complaint to her union rep. The real reason she was pissed – as spoken by her and NOT in the complaint – was that she could only get through one page of her novel between the units now. $37 an hour to read a book.
You shouldn’t try to fees your socialistic crap to NON union members who see the tripe going on.
$6,000 per unit sold goes to employee benefits – for driving a car and reading a novel. Yeah capn, those intolerable work conditions.
Speaking of Ron Paul up thread, I am just now looking into his back ground and what he is about. Liking what I see.
Query: Both left and right, how do y’all feel about him?
Ron Paul doesn’t have a chance. That is what I feel.
Even though I highly doubt he will win the nomination, he is a great candidate. He seems to be a traditional conservative, that wants the US gov’t to stop meddling in world affairs. He wants to take care of home and stop the policing of the world and nation building. I like him alot(I am a registered Ind). I wish he could raise enough money to be competitive, but I high ly doubt it. His views are very refreshing.
That may be true as he is running for GOP, will not go independent and is telling a truth that the GOP doesn’t want to hear. But more importantly (to me) is what do you think of him?
The true irony is though…..he replaced Tom Delay in Texas. See there are good, intelligent, honest people that are willing to represent the Constitution. We need to get the rest of the lying, stealing, corrupt idiots out of there so we can have more like Ron Paul.
Mike,He is getting a lot of attention on the web – free stuff. He is shaking up the GOP standards and getting attention (albeit negative) from right leaning news organizations. I am hoping he will be successful. He is, so far, the only GOP candidate that I can get behind.
ANOTHER Texas Republican in the white house??? This one might be worthwhile.
$6,000 per unit sold goes to employee benefits – for driving a car and reading a novel. Yeah capn, those intolerable work conditions.Posted by: SolDevVB | June 07, 2007 at 12:28 PM
I find it more than amusing that some who might argue that senior management, who on average earn something like 400+x of the average hourly wage in the US, “earn every penny” or “it’s none of your business how much they earn” or “it’s socialism to pass laws enforcing they earn less” would turn right round and diss an hourly job that pays $37-40/hr.
If salary isn’t related to merit, then it isn’t related to merit for CEOs, too.
That last should read “If salaries are wrong or invalid because they’re not related to merit, then this should appy to CEOs, too.”
I like Ron Paul… I am a left leaning, libertarian, with definite anti-disestablishmentarian tendencies… I think Paul is the real right choice for the Republicans, IF they hope to win the White House in 2008
I hate to change the subject, but if you go read the business section on the site you will see the article regarding Wild West World. Great read. The comments are so charged with distain for Mr Ethridge its a wonder why he would risk so much money on the park. He obviously has connections with some far right religious leaders and doesn’t seem to know how to treat employees or the public. Sorry to post a distraction but this deserves some attention here.
I must have missed the part of the development of our nation where it was stated that America will be a land of Capitalism and socialism or worse, communism will be abhorred.
Can anyone fill me in on where the writers of the Constitution put that part?
OK, so a CEO goes to school, earns a degree or two, works his way up, shows her worth and can do a job that most of us can not. Higher salary. A salary the she negotiated for.
Someone ‘off the street’, might or might not be high school educated, accepts a job that requires little if no thought.
Yeah, I can see your point pedant. They should be paid the same.
Get a clue. By the way, how much do you earn per year? How many people work underneath you? Are they paid the same as you?
I’m not seriously asking for your salary – just making a point.
Hmmm. first, please define socialism and communism. Do you mean marxism, Stalinism (yech-bad word), socialism as practiced where? But the first example as far as the constitution goes, is the emphasis of limited Federal government, and property rights.Something not consistent with communism, nor with socialism as practiced by some.
As to Ron Paul,i know little about him. I have read his campaign website, and looks to be of great interest to this conservative Republican. I will have to dig further, because after all, it is a campaign website.
Mike,
You were absolutely correct about the Wild West World comments.
And they think we are brutal here on the WE Blog. :D
A memorable comment from one of the posters there.
“So Wichita has a new amusement park?”
LJ,
Dig. Dig deep. If you are a constitutionalist who firmly believes in small government, “hands off” styled foreign diplomacy and someone who knows the inner workings of the health care environment, you just might like what you find.
Sol, your point was that the woman earning $37/hr doesn’t do enough to justify her wage.
If we can apply that standard to her, then why can’t we apply it to CEOs?
Do you seriously believe senior management should earn a few-hundreds multiple of the lowest wage earner in every case?
Are there NO cases where CEOs are overpaid?
CEO. The chief executive officer. The person responsible for the company’s success. Does the person who handles the decisions and building a company deserve a huge salary.Of course.If you started a business from the ground up. You put in the sweat and tears to make it successful; shouldn’t you profit the most if your business is successful?
Let’s take a look at your point of view. The money should be dispersed equally amongst all the employees? Who decides how much each individual gets? Who decides a salary is too high?
Sounds pretty socialistic. Just like unions.
Do you agree that reading a novel while at work deserves $37 an hour? Driving a car deserves $40 an hour?
Good news!
‘G8 leaders agree to climate deal’http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6731045.stm“Leaders of the G8 nations have agreed to seek “substantial” cuts in emissions in an effort to tackle climate change.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the G8 would negotiate within a UN framework to seek a replacement for the Kyoto Protocol by the end of 2009.”
“We agreed… that CO2 emissions must first be stopped and then followed by substantial reductions,” the German chancellor said.
Stopped then reduced?
This is all well and good, but with the UN running it, it will be a money grabbing farce.
Where are our separation of church and state advocate now? The koran was read to these students. I can only imagine the outcry if this were a Christian church and bible was read aloud.
“In December, 1992, parents and students in the Williamsville School District protested the elimination of religious music and symbols in schools
The letter to parents also says girls must wear a scarf while visiting the Islamic Community Center. School officials call a sign of respect, but this dad says it’s going too far. “To me this is more of an indoctrination into a religion than teaching.”The school district did not want to comment on the issue.”
http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/7851712.html
And where are the women’s rights activists? Do they only come out when you talk about abortion?
SolDevVB,
“Stopped” refers to stopping the current rise of CO2 emissions.
And the U.N. will not be “running it”.
Cosmos –
“German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the G8 would negotiate within a UN framework to seek a replacement for the Kyoto Protocol by the end of 2009. “
SolDevVB,
“Negotiate” does not = “run”.
For example, the carbon ‘cap and trade’ system is market based, with prices set by the market.
Cos,Who will enforce?
I read about or saw a clip on trading carbon credits or units. It is a booming market. So I kinda get that. But who regulates? If a coal fired power plant says that it is releasing x metric tons, but really is releasing y metric tons, how will anyone know and who will enforce their cap.
Keeping the power plant in mind, as their costs go up (to monitor and reduce emissions) they will pass the cost on to the customers. There really isn’t much else out there, so the consumers are left holding the bag. Doesn’t seem right.
SolDevVB,
Carbon ‘cap and trade’ (and taxes) encourage higher efficiencies, and alternatives. That cuts energy costs, and reduces emissions.
Boulder uses a carbon tax to fund energy audits for homes and businesses. The resulting energy demand drops save customers more than the tax adds.
http://www.ci.boulder.co.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6136&Itemid=169“The average household will pay $1.33 per month and an average business will pay $3.80 per month. The tax will generate about $1 million annually through 2012 when the tax is set to expire. Estimated energy cost savings from implementing the Climate Action Plan are $63 million over the long term.”
‘City residents vote to tax selves for carbon use’http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15651688/
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I just found out that Angela Merkel, Germany’s chancellor, has a PhD in physics, and worked in quantum chemistry.
Read her 1998 essay. Then imagine Bush trying to tell Dr. Merkel that human-caused global warming isn’t a problem. ROFL!
‘The Role of Science in Sustainable Development’http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5375/336
So again Cosmos, how come the GORACLE spends $800/month to heat his pool. How does he calculate the carbon offset for that? :)
The spill over from when he dives in the pool is going to drown out any plant life in the area.
The spill over from when he dives in the pool is going to drown out any plant life in the area.Posted by: Republican | June 07, 2007 at 05:30 PM
So hold your breath.
“I just found out that Angela Merkel, Germany’s chancellor, has a PhD in physics, and worked in quantum chemistry.”
I have always felt that a country’s top leader: President, Chancellor, Prime Minister, whatever, should be someone that country is proud to say represents the best leader they have.If they cannot stand up to the world and say that, why is that person their leader?
Can we say that about our current President? I would love to hear the Republican take on this.
From this:Posted by: SolDevVB | June 07, 2007 at 01:27 PM
“CEO. The chief executive officer. The person responsible for the company’s success. Does the person who handles the decisions and building a company deserve a huge salary.Of course.”
Of course. Not arguing s/he doesn’t. But 400x times as big?
“If you started a business from the ground up. You put in the sweat and tears to make it successful; shouldn’t you profit the most if your business is successful?”
You’re describing a business OWNER, not a CEO. All public companies, or nearly all, have CEOs.
“Let’s take a look at your point of view. The money should be dispersed equally amongst all the employees? Who decides how much each individual gets? Who decides a salary is too high?”
Not my point of view at all. I’m just saying that if you want to judge an hourly worker’s “worth” outside the market, then why not judge the “worth” of a CEO?
“Sounds pretty socialistic. Just like unions.”
That’s just a knee jerk response due to your misunderstanding of my position.
“Do you agree that reading a novel while at work deserves $37 an hour? Driving a car deserves $40 an hour?”
Depends. In my opinion, if the worker’s wage is $50/hr and her productivity earns the firm $50.01/hr, then I say let ‘em read porno and let ‘em drive Caddies.
Another thing. What you miss (because it’s not measurable) is how much bad decisions by CEOs cost a firm. What if the CEO is paid $20,000/hr [on a 2,080 hour per year basis, that's only $41.6 million/yr] but a single bad decision costs the company dearly in dollars or production curve (they then lay off to match the new output curve)? That’s some “shoulda been” bucks you’ll never see in the firm’s P&L – obviously.
Look. There are lots of academic studies showing that CEOs behave in ways that effectively transfer retained earnings from the firm’s balance sheet to the CEOs pocket — on top of his pay!
Not saying they’re all crooks, either. I’m just saying that — with no further considerations, even marginal revenue considerations — if you’re willing to say somebody earning $40/hr doesn’t earn it because s/he reads x novels per day, then doesn’t it make sense to judge a CEO’s salary as not worth it, too — outside any considerations of marginal revenue?
Two more Republicans are under corruption investigation for taking bribes. These two guys are from my home state (and sadly I once voted for Stevens). It’s Don “Penis Bone” Young and Ted “Tubes” Stevens.
Will the Republicans in Congress demand their removal from committee posts and co-operate with any investigation as the Democrats did with Jefferson? Or will they go the route they did with Bob Ney and Tom Delay?
Funny thing, when the Republicans controlled the White House and Congress the issue of term limits never came up. If it had these two guys would have been out along with Tiahrt. We can’t expect the Republicans to actually follow through with their promises, like term limits and honesty and integrity.
Wait, Doug! Mr. Price says that the Republicans kick their liars and cheats out when they are charged with crimes………..
Not likely.
Ha!
Ted Stevens from Alaska?
That guy is one of the most corrupt members of Congress, second of course to Harry Reid.
Republank,
You added a paragraph of lies to a copy/paste and posted it using J M Walker’s nic,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282
You lied about the links I posted not working,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/open_thread_5.html#comment-71947522
You lied about the lasers,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/bush_has_some_r.html#comment-71947998
And you’ve posted many other lies.
Let’s see credible proof for your claim that Al Gore “spends $800/month to heat his pool”.For “his pool”, not “his pool house”.
Another reason to take action against human-caused global warming,
‘Suit Pending Against Bush Administration for Failing to Protect Penguins From Global Warming’http://www.ewire.com/display.cfm/Wire_ID/3978
They’ll have to get that lawsuit approved the Antarctica Congress and have the President of Antarctica to sign off on the lawsuit.
Would that be Charles Penguin or Sue Gnarlwhale?
Walk……………………………
Posted by: SolDevVB | June 07, 2007 at 01:27 PM
“CEO. The chief executive officer. The person responsible for the company’s success. Does the person who handles the decisions and building a company deserve a huge salary.Of course.”
So your a Ken Lay, David Wittig, apologist?
on by…..
Don’t stop…
“Did anybody know that a US Senator died Monday?”
Maybe it was not important because he was a Republican!
“”Poor Paris. She has to be confined to her MANSION for 40 days”Perhaps she should be confined to my house for the remainder of her sentence.No cable, no chef, no mansion”
Can you still get TV with rabbit ears? Thought they was gonna shut all that off.
“CEO. The chief executive officer. The person responsible for the company’s success. Does the person who handles the decisions and building a company deserve a huge salary.”
CEOs are not totally responsible for a company’s success. That is just bullshit. They lead and make policy within the bounds of the Board but they sure as hell don’t get out of bed at 0230 and go out to bad neighbourhoods to fix things like I do so you can talk on your cell phone the next morning when you drive to work and make the company a nice profit.
FWIW Sol, I vehemiently disagree with a school taking a field trip to a religious center. ANY religious center.
But they still sing almost solely christian music in my children’s school choir, and I don’t agree with that either.
I sure hope there is a blog tomorrow about Sam Brownback voting against Habeus Corpus in the Senate.
Maybe he should have been on the campaign trail so he couldn’t have voted.
Republank, aka ‘J M Walker’(sic), aka ‘blank’, aka (long list..),
Still no reply to my post?http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/open_thread_67.html#comment-72062636
Cosmos — Only way to stop “blank” aka et al, is to catch his/her/its hand in the perverbial cookie jar, messing with posts using other “nics” — Even then, I dont know for sure how you stop such a mess from happening…
P-Mom — Only way I know of to stop schools from doing those sort of things is to call in the ACLU… They seem to be pretty effective in stopping that nonsense.
Joe Williams,
“Did anybody know that a US Senator died Monday?”
Ooops… looks like HHS Secretary Mike Leavitt and his staff didn’t.’Cabinet Member Misses Senator’s Obit’http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/06/secretary_leavitt_missed_the_o.html
I don’t have a problem with a school field trip to a mosque if it is part of a study of culture and religions.
If the intent was to expose students to a variety of cultures and religious thought, it would be useful. If it was just a trip for the sake of a trip, it was probably a wasted effort.
I also do not have a problem with the girls being asked to wear scarves. If you visit someone’s home and they ask you to remove your shoes – you do as asked. It’s not like they were asked to do something totally foreign to them. They were guests at the mosque.
The study of various religions is a highly useful exercise. It is not promoting or justifying any one religion over another. Most cultures are a product of their predominate religions.
Perhaps if we had understood more about Islam pre-invasion, we would not have made as many mistakes.
Whoops! I guess the CIA DID tell us more about Islam pre-invasion, it’s just that their intelligence was ignored.
Chas,
Republank stole J M Walker’s nic. click on,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25.html#comment-70812508
Put the mouse pointer over “J M Walker” in the “posted by” sections.
It’s Republican’s typekey name, ‘Republikhan’.
WSC – very good points. Over the years I have been in many homes and Houses of Worship and I always try to show respect. Often that means taking off my shoes; dressing very conservatively (even as a man); my wife covering her head (which is easy for her as catholics used to do it. Also no pork or shellfish as they are not Kosher. I have even worn the Jewish head covering as a man at a wedding many years ago.
I would support schools making trips to such places, as you noted, as a part of a study of culture. I had a friend from overseas who had to do something similar as a part of a college class; I recall accompanying her to a Baptist Church. She was very struck at how out-going and friendly the congregation was. I noted to her that MOST Christian congregations are like that; she was not accustomed to that; it was a learning experience for her.
Did that exercise violate her religious freedon? NO! Nobody accosted her; the class did not seek to convert her. Only to enlighten her about faiths other than her own. In fact, she commented to me that, other then style, we are a heck of a lot more aloke than we are different.
An aside – I TRIED to use chopsticks in a Japanese home and failed miserably. After they got their laughs at my expense someone found me a fork! ;^)
Ben, may be we should try a chopsticks diet – maybe a little less would make it from plate to mouth!
I too have been in manner Houses of Worship. I have visited most every major Christian denomination and have gone to the Temple as well. I have not had an opportunity to visit a mosque, not having any friends that are practicing Muslims.
I have also studied most major religions and sects and have found the experience enlightening.
Knowledge is a great thing – knowing how others think can only help us gain a greater understanding of our fellow man. It is hard to hate when you put a human face on a belief.
That is something we should all endeavor to do.
manner – many……………
Jeez, maybe I should gain a better understanding of the keyboard.
This Repub guy is WAY out… I didnt know you could use somebody else’s name to post on this thing… Isnt there something that the WE Blog can do about this ummm problem???
P-Mom — Note What Clark said… I also think visiting a group of religious type centers is generally OK, in the context of Social Sciences/Sociology type classes… and… with parental approval notices… And if you go into a religious edifice where head coverings are required, then you wear them… like a Yarmulka for men in an Orthodox Synagogue… or head coverings in some Catholic churches… or taking off shoes at a Buddhist Temple, etc. (sort of like wearing bowling shoes at a bowling alley — ok??) BUT, if it is a SCHOOL REQUIRED thing, that has something to do with a grade… then note what I mentioned about the ACLU…
Well Chas, the Eagle does very little about this blog – they don’t even own it. If there is something really nasty and personal, they MIGHT delete it, but generally it is a free-for-all.
Actually, they used to ban folks for nic stealing but apparently Republank has gotten away with this one.
That is why we just walk on by. Not only did he steal nics, post under a fake nic, but later on, he used the same fake name to post compliments to himself!
(He called himself a great man and the leader of the conservatives on the blog!)
Talk about narcissist!
As a result, most of us on the Left ignore Republank or just post some variation of “Walk on by….”
Actually, just ignoring Republank seems to annoy him more than anything, so we’ll keep doing it.
Anything to annoy that $%^! ^$##!& %!^!%.
Boo Hoo WSClark, go back to Wichita Voice and cry some more.
J M Walker got his due after months of him calling me “repuke” on a daily basis. Did I hear anything from you about that WSClark? Nope, silence of the “following the Capn” Lambs.
Talk about hypocrites WSClark, you are the worst one ever on this blog.
And Cosmos, I asked you very specifically what I lied about on lasers, you keep posting a hyperlink that “I” originally posted. It’s another case where Cosmos speaks out of his anal orifice and tries to convince people through his mental confusion that he is the only purveyor of truth on this blog.
As pointed out, I even used my Typepad name, there was nothing I hid.
If I would have wanted to hide it, I would have logged in like the rest of you Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey Libs where you couldn’t see an email address.
What a bunch of maroons.
Ben,
Chopsticks are tricky to use, but kinda fun after you learn the knack. The key is to hold them properly. And learn/practice on food that’s easy to pick up.