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Open thread 6/12
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted June 12, 2007 at 1:06 a.m.
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Where are the cheerleaders of WAR?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070611/ap_en_ot/ap_on_tv_fox_s_war;_ylt=AoZITCnCb7Kcxi9NwBa_9xPMWM0F
War takes up less time on Fox News
By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer Mon Jun 11, 9:52 AM ET
NEW YORK – On a winter day when bomb blasts at an Iraqi university killed dozens and the United Nations estimated that 34,000 civilians in Iraq had died in 2006, MSNBC spent nearly nine minutes on the stories during the 1 p.m. hour. A CNN correspondent in Iraq did a three-minute report about the bombings.
Neither story merited a mention on Fox News Channel that hour.
That wasn’t unusual. Fox spent half as much time covering the Iraq war than MSNBC during the first three months of the year, and considerably less than CNN, according to the Project for Excellence in Journalism.
The difference was more stark during daytime news hours than in prime-time opinion shows. The Iraq war occupied 20 percent of CNN’s daytime news hole and 18 percent of MSNBC’s. On Fox, the war was talked about only 6 percent of the time.
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“Where are the cheerleaders of WAR?”
In Israel, where the “war” originated.
After FoxNews’ hack ambush job, blatant lies about Ron Paul, and bogus poll results, I don’t trust them to tell me the correct weather. Used to RELY on Fox to bring me fair and balanced news. Guess the wool has been removed from my eyes.
What is it about Ron Paul that has BOTH parties scared? First Fox News, now CNN??? Is it maybe because he will lead this nation by the constitution and not by the party?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSyP4_x1fSs&NR=1
Ron Paul should be the next president of the United States. The question is: Can he be elected without selling his soul to the Zionists of Israel.
They claim to have 40 members of congress now, and brag that no candidate can be elected in America without their say so. And that’s pretty strong coming from less than 2% of the population.
Ed, I don’t agree with a lot of what you post, but I will address this. Check his stance on foreign policy. Not speaking for the Sen., he has a hands free approach to foreign policy.
The right foreign policy will bring peace to the Middle East. The concerns of everybody who lives there must be addressed. Not just one, to the exclusion of everybody else.
Ed, The Middle East needs to sort out the Middle East.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d9_XM9xieJg&mode=related&search=
Israel wants all out war in the Middle East. That will crash our economy. Peace in the Middle East will not only serve our economy, but the world’s as well.
If hands-off means allowing Israel to start a nuclear attack against Iran, we can all kiss the United States goodbye, as backing one billion Muslims into a hopeless corner gives no other choice than to bring it home to us.
Most Americans do not have a clear understanding of world events, due to propaganda being bandied about. However, a slim majority of Americans have read through the propaganda, as was shown by the last election, but it still continues to cloud the real issues.
Ed, Israel HAD a war with Lebanon in ‘06. If, as you say, they have a penchant for war, why did they not storm thru the Middle East like they did during the 6 days war?
If they are hell bent on nuking Iran, why have they not done so?
Wasn’t it during the six day war that we threatened intervention? And, got an oil embargo for our efforts?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19165178/
Lieberman: U.S. should weigh Iran attackSenator wants American to consider military action against Tehran
Some more propaganda to get us into ANOTHER war!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZgHH72G8wQ&eurl
Vote smart. Don’t be lead by your nose by the GOP and the MSM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwpDnQSp1mA
Did our partisan Senators vote to block the no confidence vote (assuming of course Brownie was present).
Had it not been for the United States, Israel would have lost the so-called 6-day war.
The Sinai was crisscrossed with the shiny wires from the toe{sp} missiles we furnished { operated }. Those missiles alone knocked-out over 700 Egyptian Tanks.
Ed,
We know you hate Israel. We get it. We’ve read it. Repeatedly. There’s not a single thread you post to where it’s not somehow Israel’s fault.
Please, find a new groove on that record, okay?
Thanks.
They didn’t “storm” through the Middle East because, on their own, they got their asses kicked {again } and that’s why we’re in Iraq and Lieberman want us to attack Iran.
The only way that Israel can beat Iran is by Nuking it and they have about 200 nukes which they stole from us.
They also have two diesel powered submarines fitted with nuke-tipped cruise missiles in the torpedo tubes which they got from Rumsfeld.
“Ed,
“We know you hate Israel.”
You seem to stupid to understand that I want Israel to survive. But with dumb asses like you they probably won’t, when they deservve to live in peace. God knows that they’ve earned it.
So get off my back, you dummy…
On a different topic…..anti casino supporters are trying to rally more opposition to the upcoming vote.
http://kansas.com/news/local/story/94040.html
Again the right is trying to legislate morality. When will people pull their heads out of the sand and realize the church leaders are out for their money? Sure they claim to do it in the name of God but seldom are their reasons not personally motivated. If the casino gets built it may capture money that people would otherwise give to the church. Churches and preachers are the worst kind of hustlers. The do it in the name of God.
Mike – I am tempted to attend their forum tonight just to see what they are saying. While I am in favor of allowing casino choice I would not be at all surprised if the anti-casino people win with a very low turnout.
I think it’s a shame that we will (probably) have a state-owned casino.
It’s also too bad there will be but one casino in this area.
Gamblers deserve competition for their betting dollar.
Giuliani wants the military to be trained to ‘Nation Build’.
youtube.com/watch?v=vgr3gDS3Dhc&mode=related&search=
Wasn’t one of the pillars of GW’s campaign to NOT be nation builders?
Republicans – don’t be led by the nose by the GOP.
Democrats – Take a look at him. You may find he has more to offer than the DNC.
anon – they will have competition. Oklahome, Topeka, Kansas City …
BenPlease do attend so that we may all know the lies or other mistruths that are getting spread on this topic. I would attend myself but I have other committments. We all need to be careful of what the opposition is spreading. Or we may have no casino at all.
Why bother supporting Israel? Yes I understand that according to everyone’s favorite book of myths and fairytales they are God’s chosen people. But they have only been a country for a little over half a century. I say move them out of the Middle East and maybe we would see peace in our time.
The Middle East – no peace until there is a functioning Palestinian State free from influence or control by the Israelis.
The US immigration issue – secure the borders, address the industry lobbying that provides jobs at substandard wages for illegals, then look at options for illegals already here.
Casino – NO to state owned anything. The state can’t manage a whorehouse. If the government was a prostitute, it would starve to death.
If there is to be a casino, it needs to be privately owned.
Iran – diplomacy, not bombs. We do not have the lives and treasure to spend. We blew it all on Iraq.
WS, the sky is falling. It MUST be. I agree with you ;-)
Sorry, part of that post was for the immigration thread.
Not enough caffeine yet……………
Watch out, Mr. DevVB, when those big chunks fall, they can do some damage.
(wink!)
Did your read that letter to the editor Sunday, where the writer stated that Israelies were God’s Chosen people, and we’re so blessed, because we support them?That seems to be the mindset of too many Americans.I do not believe that God would would be biased based on what faith you were born into.
WSC – largely agree ‘but’ …
On casino my understanding is that while it would technically be owned by the state it would be built, fiannced, and run privately.
Actually, I would like more details on that setup.
How about we have a few year trial period, where the govt. demonstrates they can stop the illegal flow over the boarders, then after that pre-condition is met, we can move to phase two.
Phantom. Agreed. The absolute FIRST step for either plan is strong borders.
Short story……………
In the mid-nineties, I was Purchasing and Materials Manager for a company in KC. One of our packaging suppliers suddenly failed to meet deliveries. INS had visited them and at least HALF the workforce went out the back door. The illegals had an inside man that set up employment for them – for a percentage of their wages each week. I found a new supplier.
The point is, often illegals work under a wink and a nod from management. That is absolute bullshit. INS wiped out the workforce for the company, but did absolutely nothing about management.
Zero. Nada. Zip.
Until the companies that hire them are addressed, the illegals will always have a reason to risk life and liberty crossing the border.
Fine the company the cost of shipping the illegal back to his/her country of origin.
Well this administration has made one thing clear. If you are a capitalist then we have your back. You hear of no fines for employers of illegals. Give them temp work visas so that the poor little business owner can keep them on the payroll. If the business owner has such a poor business model that he must employee illegals to compete in the market than he needs to find a new line of work. The GOP loves the capitalist….and they show it time and time again.
I love capitalism too. And ‘this administration’ includes a democratically led congress.
SollyI am tired of the right claiming that the dem’s have this huge choke hold on Congress. They hold the slightest of majorities and do not have enough votes to override any presidential veto. So when I refer to “this administration” I am not speaking of the Congress of the last 6 months. I am speaking about the Congress of the last 10 years and the executive branch of the last 6 years. The dem’s have been powerless during this stretch, and like I said…hold the smallest of majorities. If the dem’s in Congress held the power to override a presidential veto then I would be more willing to hold them to greater account.
Why do you hate capitalism?
Mike – and I would add the GOP ability to filibuster in the Senate.
Here’s an opportunity for a new [sic] round of conservative denial. Fitzgerald wants Libby in prison NOW!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/12/AR2007061200516.html
Not tomention Liebermann threatening to jump ship in the Senate at any time… And after his comments about Iran, that could be sooner than later!!
As a reminder, please avoid these 5 myths about the Libby case:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/08/AR2007060802478.html
Why is liebermann such a hawk and warmonger when it comes to the middle east?
Why is he so anti-gun and pro illegal immigrant and so soft and liberal on domestic issues? Color me confused.
Beats me Sgt. I am looking for answers on those too!!
SollyPlease to misunderstand me. I love capitalism. I have owned my own business and work for some smart guys that are pure capitalists. I have issue with placing too much emphasis on it versus common sense. It clouds the vision of some in politics.
Lieberman is Zionist Israel first, there’s no America left.
Mike,It was rhetoric. Blaming Bush, blaming congress, surrendering congress as a minor edge-out for the Dems.
The Republicans have their fringies, too. Ron Paul is a physician (Duke University medical school) and a Congressman from Texas. The list from his website of what he is for and what he is against tells why his mainstream colleagues would delight in cutting his tassels off if they could:
He has never voted to raise taxes.He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.He has never voted to raise congressional pay.He has never taken a government-paid junket.He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.He voted against the Patriot Act.He voted against regulating the Internet.He voted against the Iraq war.He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/08/opinion/main2902291.shtml
Sol – a question. If Ron Paul gets shut out of the GOP nomination; particularly if it looks like he got ’screwed’; might he go third-party? a la Ralph Nader?
Thats my kind of guy Solly. I got your email yesterday and have been slow to respond. Ron Paul is a great candidate. One that we all should get behind.
He has stated that he will NOT run as a third party candidate. He seems to stand by his word sooooo…
If you like him, get his name out there. He has a VERY underfunded campaign. He is HUGE on the internet and some polls, but on polls of likely voters, he gets about 1%.
I don’t think enough people know who/what he is. The MSM and GOP are REALLY trying to squash his uprising. Get his name out there. Talk to people. Let them make their own choice, but let them know that there IS a choice out there other than the ‘lesser of two evils’
I have heard Ron Paul described as a nutjob. I have found a lot to like about him from some of his website information, although I do not agree with everyothng. However, I would like information from his detractors as well.
One of the reasons I tend to like the old system of a couple of small states going early is that it gives a ‘Ron Paul’ a better chance. He can go to New Hampshire and Iowa and actually MEET voters. That cannot be done in a large state.
Bush Family Evil Empire: Scandal Du Jure–The Anthrax Attacks
Exactly one week after the horrific jet-liners-as-missiles attack by Al Qaeda, a series of anthrax letters were mailed.
Strangely, the only two politicians targetted were Tom Daschle, DEMOCRATIC Speaker of the House, and DEMOCRATIC Senator from Vermont, Pat Leahy.
Leahy would go on to become the target of our President of the Senate and Vice President Dead-Eye Dick Cheney who told him to “go f*** himself,” but I digress.
Strange, isn’t it? With one hundred Senators and almost 500 Congress-critters plus the President and his cabinet and the Supreme Court . . . out of all those hundreds of people, the only ones targetted were Democrats . . . and LIBERAL Democrats to boot.
Meanwhile, how’s the investigation going after 6 years?
How many people have been arrested? How many indicted?
None.
Again, this seems strange considering that it is clear where the anthrax came from:
US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick (USAMRIID), Maryland.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2265
The anthrax came directly from the military’s own stock and yet NO ONE has been arrested or charged.
Hmmm . . .
And the ensuing panic that resulted benefitted the Republicans and their special-power-to-the-executive agenda.
Yup, coincidence, pure coincidence. Nothing to see here.
This has been the Bush Family Evil Empire: Scandal Du Jure.
Or not . . .
Ahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacksl Qaeda,
However, I would like information from his detractors as well.Posted by: littlejohn | June 12, 2007 at 01:10 PM
Try fox news – but then look for the link between Giuliani and Fox News.A lot of the MSM is trying to make him a non-issue, but if you look at facts and acts as opposed to (IMHO) bought out news organizations, I think you will find it difficult to find negativity.
There are those out there that read ‘Pro-Life’ and ‘Pro-Family’ and shut him down. That is pretty shallow if you ask me. As far as abortion goes, Paul feels that it is a STATE and not a federal decision.
I implore you, keep digging. If you like him, spread his name and let others decide for themselves.
Capn
You might loosen up the chin strap on your tin foil helmet there buddy.
Heckler–
I’m not saying that Bush did it, but could it be a rogue element in the gov’t’s own biological weapons lab that isn’t even supposed to exist?
Yes.
And wouldn’t BushCo. have little incentive to investigate such a rogue element because it would reveal illegal biological weapons they designed?
Yes.
It is clear that BushCo. is testing biological weapons:
(original article from NY Times on 4 Sept 01, five days before 9-11)
U.S. Germ Warfare Research Pushes Treaty Limits
by Judith Miller, Stephen Engelberg and William J. BroadOver the past several years, the United States has embarked on a program of secret research on biological weapons that, some officials say, tests the limits of the global treaty banning such weapons.
The 1972 treaty forbids nations from developing or acquiring weapons that spread disease, but it allows work on vaccines and other protective measures. Government officials said the secret research, which mimicked the major steps a state or terrorist would take to create a biological arsenal, was aimed at better understanding the threat.
The projects, which have not been previously disclosed, have been embraced by the Bush administration, which intends to expand them.
Earlier this year, administration officials said, the Pentagon drew up plans to engineer genetically a potentially more potent variant of the bacterium that causes anthrax, a deadly disease ideal for germ warfare.
Administration officials said the need to keep such projects secret was a significant reason behind President Bush’s recent rejection of a draft agreement to strengthen the germ-weapons treaty, which has been signed by 143 nations.
*****
We’ll go to war with Iraq for its biological weapons–which turn out to be fabrications of the Bush administration–but we won’t sign a treaty to give up our own bio weapons.
Yup, that’s my Bush.
I have always wondered why the Anthrax letters were sent only to Democratic Senators… at that point, the terrorists had not much to fear from Democrat targets.. Always made me wonder if it was a right wing nut job trying to get democrats on board the “war machine”…
Yup. You’d think if it were Al Qaeda, they’d go after some one like Lieberman (Jewish & Israel backer) or Bush himself.
Nope.
The letters get sent to media, media critics (like the Florida Sun that printed critical articles on the Bush party girls), or Democrats.
Funny targets for religious fantatics who “hate us for our freedoms.”
Clearly, it was an inside job. The anthrax came from the Army Medical Research Institute. You find out when anthrax went missing and who had access to it.
Doesn’t seem that hard given the security of a military research center.
The attacks had one single effect–pushing through the abrogation of constitutional rights under the PATRIOT Act in a kind of perpetual martial law.
Mission accomplished.
And now, Biometric ID cards… in every State… since the law forbids a National ID, they pass a law requiring STATES to mandate new ID cards!! LOL The Feds cant do it, so the Feds force the States to do it… Almost seems like a violation of States’ Rights!!
So did anyone notice that Bush got his watch stolen by the “admiring” crowd in Albania?
What’s funny is there are 3 different versions of denials. Video and denials at,
‘The President’s Wristwatch’http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/12/politics/animal/main2919778.shtml
The Bush administration lies about everything so it’s not surprising they have to lie about this as well. Next thing you know the Republicans will be claiming that Iran, who has fought against the Taliban, is now giving them weapons.
These people are pathetic, even more pathetic is the goose stepping morons who still admire Bush.
It’s clear from the video the watch was stolen; you can plainly see a hand go over his wrist and then the watch is gone.
Perhaps Georgie was drinking some more beer…he looks a little tipsy to me!
Bush’s watch is already on ebay…search for ‘bush’s watch’.
It was obvious to pro-lifers attending Tuesday night’s meeting at the Overland Park Doubletree and hearing speeches by expert psychiatric witness Dr. Paul McHugh and various pro-lifeKS legislators, as well as excepts from AG Morrison’s threatening letter to Dr. McHugh, that AG Morrison has begun engaging in witness intimidation andsuppression of OPINIONS on the evidence on abortionist quack Tiller’s post-viable abortion crimes, as well as his ongoing obstruction of justice, and his stalling for the statute of limitations to run out on at least some charges.AG Morrison and quack Tiller sent people, or perhaps lawyers, to monitor the meeting.Charge Tiller.
Parkay,
So many of your previous lies on this blog have been exposed, no one is going to believe you now.
If you have proof of witness intimidation, post the proof.
Otherwise, shut the hell up.
Thanks.
Morrison told the doctor to stop public discussion of patient’s private medical records or face consequences. That isn’t witness intimidation, that’s the law.
Looks like the OR website didn’t point out what the good ‘doctor’ said about his view of abortion:
“Lots of psychiatrists, including me, do not believe there are any pure psychiatric reasons that justify abortion,” McHugh said.
That’s an opinion, but legally, according to SCOTUS, is incorrect.I have to wonder if McHugh believes there is ever a reason for abortion AT ALL.
Obviously, the welfare of the mother’s mental health is of no consequence to him.
Do you mean the same Dr. McHugh who went against the law and failed to report the activities of pedophiles? The same anti-abortion McHugh who works for the Vatican? Yeah, there’s a non-biased source there. A Vatican employ who helps cover up the activities of pedophile priests and was hired by Phil Kline to criticize Dr. Tiller is a great source to rely upon.
Parkay, you and Kline are a joke.
Doug — Last time I checked, Parkay = fake butter… LOL…
Sometimes I think Parkay might _be_ Kline.
one never knows, do one??
Par Kay… P K… Phil Kline… Hmmmm… could be Tom
Are you going to make a post on this in your website Doug?
Zionist Israel owns Giuliani who intends to spearhead the takeover of the United States { pick-up where Bush has left off }.
Giuliani sold-out to the Zionists to become Mayor of New York, which the Israeli newspaper Haaretz brags as their largest Jewish City { their words not mine }.
The Zionists are the enemy, not “terrorists” or “al-Qaida, as those are just deceptive slogans. A little slight-of-hand to keep your eye off the ball.
The enemy has already landed and infiltrated. Jimmy Carter knows as does John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt as described in their paper on the Israeli Lobby.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m26332&l=i&size=1&hd=0
A chance to post and I’ll take it.
Congrats to Ben for getting his letter in the Eagle today! Good show Ben. Word to you arena yeahoos, A base of anti arena sentiment is growing in a community that BARELY approved the unknown thing in the first place. Not a good harbinger of attendance once the thing is built. Let’s revote and start over.
Good new show (I think) debuting on Comedy Central tonight, ” Lil Bush” Check it out.