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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted June 5, 2007 at 1:03 a.m.
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MISSING PERSON: KELSEY SMITH in Overland Park — PASS THIS ON & ON
$10,000 Reward: http://findkelsey.com/
Please forward.
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Lets see: Got Bush wanting to put up a “shield” in Europe; Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin Threatening to point nuclear missiles at Europe if he does; the Taliban still a major player in Afghanistan, Pakistan backing the Taliban – and they have nuclear missles – and their supposed to be our “friend”; the Pushtan owning the whole border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan, and supplying both men and money to the Taliban; Pakistan hating India, and both with nuclear weapons.
And we’re still trying, or not, to find a six foot six Al-Quida leader; in a war in Iraq that serves no purpose at all; misjudging the whole mess every step of the way and have a totally dysfunctional leadership.
Nice world, what?
Nice world, what?Posted by: J M Walker | June 05, 2007 at 05:45 AM
Yeah, it is actually a nice world.
Not everyone is a Liberal Democratic cynic and actually enjoys life while accentuating the positives. ;)
REPUB — What can you possibly find positive about the Taliban re-gaining control in Afghanistan?? Or Pakistan and India both having nukes pointed at each other, and who knows where else??
Did you just happen to find some rose colored glasses in your desk drawer, or what?/
Cheney aide Lewis Scooter Libby gets sentence to prison today.
Remember how the CONs said that Fitzgerald had “nothing”?
I want to see this perp frog-marched into the pen along with his fellow CRIMINALS.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-04-libby-sentencing_N.htm
Just walk on by, Chas. Walk on by.
CapnAmerica,
What was he found guilty of?
Not remembering? Oh yeah, you really got him.
OMG! you’re right, Nathan.
He was innocent. That’s why he’s going to be frog-marched into prison in an orange jumpsuit.
I hope they give him 30 months of hard time. That way he won’t be able to VOTE.
You know how Bush keeps talking about how we brought “democracy” to Iraq?
Hehehe, yeah, right . . .
“On May 8, a majority of Iraq’s parliament signed a petition demanding a timetable for the withdrawal of American troops.
“But the United States isn’t listening to that message, much less heeding it. Press briefings at the State Department and the White House haven’t touched on the topic. In lockstep with the Bush administration, the U.S. media ignored the story until some reporting in the alternative media such as AlterNet and criticism on blogs finally compelled them to report it. Five days after the fact, the New York Times buried the story in the middle of its front section and focused on secondary points of the petition—specifically, the readiness of Iraqi security forces—that cast the parliament more in line with the Bush administration than the Democratic Party.
“Nearly as swiftly as the majority petition was signed, and in fear that U.S. support in Congress was waning, an opposing Iraqi delegation of U.S.-friendly senior officials and ministers was dispatched to lobby some of the most influential foreign policy members of Congress for continued military presence. Not surprisingly, the U.S. media reported this immediately. . . .
“The Bush administration ignoring the petition calls attention yet again to that it is arrogant enough to leave Iraqis out of the decision-making of their own country. And by deeming irrelevant the elected officials who put the petition in motion, the administration contradicts its only remaining argument for invading Iraq in the first place—to bring democracy to the Middle East, starting with Iraq.
“More tellingly, disregarding the petition—and constantly threatening to veto any legislation that mandates withdrawal—highlights the Bush administration’s intent to stay. Withdrawal is a question not worth contemplating as far as the administration is concerned and isn’t on the table for earnest discussion. This explains why the administration sidestepped the Iraqi parliament’s petition and why Bush absolutely refused to accept any legislative oversight of the occupation’s progress.”
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3208/with_an_empire_to_build_who_needs_an_iraqi_parliament/
The Iraqi Parliment can demand anything they want as long as TeamBush also demands it.
That’s “democracy,” RepubliCON style . . .
Let’s review–
a majority of Americans want out of Iraq
a majority of our elected officials want out of Iraq
a majority of Iraqis want us out of Iraq
a majority of their elected officials want us out of Iraq
But George W. Bush and his willing idiots want us to stay.
So we stay.
That’s democracy in CON world.
“So we stay.”
Perhaps the party in power in Congress should cut off the funding.
CapnAmerica,
What exactly is a petition?
Are we talking about the same kind of petitions we have in America?
Is this some type of term for a parliment action?
Seems like an actual bill or resolution passed and voted on during a session of parliment would be something to look at.
A petition?
Good morning Capn!
I bet poor ol’ Scooter doesn’t ever see the inside of a jail.
Hank
Anyone heard from Farmie? She doin OK?
Capn,
Congress voted to give Bush the power to go to war. They can also revoke that power. It would look much better than cutting off the funds. Why have they not pursued that avenue?
I know why the Con is in such a good mood… looksie at Bush’s new Justice nominee..
He’s hateful, religious, and rules his prejudices according to who has the most money.
http://www.acsblog.org/judicial-nominations-who-is-leslie-southwick.html
Gosh Bush can pick the winners can’t he.
“In S.B. v. L.W., Judge Southwick joined a concurrence arguing that persons who “choose . . . the homosexual lifestyle” are less fit to raise children than straight parents:
I do recognize that any adult may choose any activity in which to engage; however, I also am aware that such person is not thereby relieved of the consequences of his or her choice. It is a basic tenet that an individual’s exercise of freedom will not also provide an escape of the consequences flowing from the free exercise of such a choice. As with the present situation, the mother may view her decision to participate in a homosexual relationship as an exertion of her perceived right to do so. However, her choice is of significant consequence, as described before in the discussion of our State’s policies, in that her rights to custody of her child may be significantly impacted.”
Hey Sol,
The democrats have regained congress by making a bunch of empty promises and basically bashing Bush.
There position at any time of the day is easy to figure out, just learn the administrations policy and be against it.
To pull funding for the war would make them responsible for the consequences. That would be the last thing they’ll ever do. . . take responsibility for their actions.
On another note, why no thread on ‘Dollar Bill’?
Hank
“On another note, why no thread on ‘Dollar Bill’?”
Hank– You know why.
Seriously, anyone heard from Farmie?
heheheheheheheheh
No.
Jesus wept.
Yep, I know why.
I wonder if Pelosi will remove him from his leadership roles now that he’s indicted. Oh, nevermind, that’s a rule that only the republicans have!
Hank
“PEOPLE FLEE AS CYCLONE GONU HEADS TO OIL-RICH PERSIAN GULF”
AWESOME !!!! $12 per gallon anyone?
KIEV, Ukraine — A mass grave holding the remains of thousands of Jews killed by the Nazis has been found in southern Ukraine near the site of what was once a concentration camp, a Jewish community representative said Tuesday.
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,278110,00.html
Any Holocaust deniers here today?
LIBBY SENTENCED TO 30 MONTHS IN PRISON
WASHINGTON — Former White House aide Lewis “Scooter” Libby was sentenced on Tuesday to 30 months in prison for perjury and obstruction of justice in the CIA leak case.
Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, stood calmly before a packed courtroom as a federal judge said the evidence overwhelmingly proved his guilt.
“People who occupy these types of positions, where they have the welfare and security of nation in their hands, have a special obligation to not do anything that might create a problem,” U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton said.
Special Prosecutor Patrick argued for a prison term, saying, “Why did he lie? People lie when they do something wrong. He knew what the investigation was about.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-05-libby-trial_N.htm
*****
Remember, they got nothing. Just keep repeating it over and over like Rush does.
Scooter Libby is found guilty and sentenced, but that means “they got nothing” in CON world.
My advice to “Scooter”–lose the nickname and don’t drop the soap.
Now if Bush pardons, the Repubs can kiss the White House goodbye for 8 more years . . .
Bye Bye Scoots……..before he goes shoot him in the face.
Sincerely,Dick Cheney
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/05/AR2007060500150_2.html?hpid=topnews
Ten days after the trial ended, Plame broke her long public silence about the case during an appearance on Capitol Hill. Calmly but bitterly, she lashed out at the the president’s aides, telling a House committee that they had destroyed her career and slipped her name to reporters for “purely political motives That same day, the CIA confirmed for the first time that Plame had been working in a covert capacity when Novak’s column disclosed her identity and that her employment status was classified under an executive order.
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The “law-and-order” RepubliCONs have yet to offer an apology or even an acknowledgement that they were WRONG about Plame NOT being a covert agent.
The three little words you’ll never hear Rush O’Hannity and their willing idiots ever say:
“I don’t know.”"I was wrong.”"I am sorry.”
I hope the judge doesn’t let him stay out pending appeals, which could stretch out until after the elections, at which time scooter will get his pardon.
The question about whether or not she was a covert agent at the time of her so called outing is still in debate, as I understand it. In any case, Richard Armitage has been identified as the “leaker”Not Libby. SO why no prosecution of Armitage? Why not prosecution at all? I suppose Fitzgerald is a lackey of the Bush administration. There are only two conclusions that can be drawn from the fact that there was no prosecution for “outing” a covert agent
1) There was no outing of a covert agent
2) Fitzgerald is a lackey of the BUsh administration
So which is it?
I wonder …
Can a new administration initiate investigations into violations of national security and make use of the Guantanamo precedents set by the present administration? It would be interesting to see Rove incarcerated there and subjected to ‘rendition’.
lj – Choice #2. Libby was then the convenient sacrificial lamb.
Armitage, Cheney and Rove should have all been prosecuted. Guess it might have caused a constitutional showdown if followed through.
I wonder what this will do to oil prices?
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=690&tstamp=200706
An unusual event is happening over the next 48 hours, as the first tropical cyclone with hurricane-force winds, and major hurricane-force winds at that, is approaching the Gulf of Oman, to strike the eastern coast of Oman, curve northward, and make landfall on the coast of Iran. In the tropical cyclone best tracks and the modern era of weather satellites, there is no record of such an occurrence.
“PEOPLE FLEE AS CYCLONE GONU HEADS TO OIL-RICH PERSIAN GULF”
AWESOME !!!! $12 per gallon anyone?
Posted by: SolDevVB | June 05, 2007 at 10:34 AM
Bush’s God is going to drive up oil prices!
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage
In the September 4, 2006 issue of Newsweek magazine, in an article titled “The Man Who Said Too Much”, journalist Michael Isikoff, quoting a “source directly familiar with the conversation who asked not to be identified because of legal sensitivities”, reported that Armitage was the “primary” source for Robert Novak’s piece outing Plame. Armitage apparently mentioned Ms. Wilson’s CIA role to Novak in a July 8, 2003 interview after learning about her status from a State Department memo which made no reference to her undercover status.[13] Isikoff also reported that Armitage had also told Bob Woodward of Plame’s identity in June 2003, and that special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald investigated Armitage’s role “aggressively”, but did not charge Armitage with a crime because he “found no evidence that Armitage knew of Plame’s covert CIA status when he talked to Novak and Woodward”.
Littlejohn,
I’d sure like to see a trial of Armitage. I’d love nothing more than to have the truth surrounding the whole sordid mess come out.
Let a jury decide his guilt or innocence, IMO.
LJ–
The legal test for prosecution of revealing of a covert agent is very difficult. It involves “intent” which is notoriously hard to prove.
I don’t know why Armitage was not prosecuted. Neither was Novack.
It apparently hinged on Prosecutor Fitzgerald believing that he couldn’t get a conviction on that charge against those two.
But when Cheney’s butt boy knowingly lied and obstructed justice (apparently to provide cover for his boss Cheney), then Fitzgerald had evidence of crimes he knew would stick.
And they did.
And there’s nothing complicated or questionable about Plame’s undercover status.
That’s why the CIA brought the complaint up in the first place.
The right-wing blow-hards don’t get to decide who’s a covert CIA agent . . . the CIA does.
They were wrong . . . and as usual, they won’t admit it.
“Let’s review–
a majority of Americans want out of Iraq
a majority of our elected officials want out of Iraq
a majority of Iraqis want us out of Iraq
a majority of their elected officials want us out of Iraq
But George W. Bush and his willing idiots want us to stay.
So we stay.
That’s democracy in CON world.”
Umm…captain my captain…let me help you out.
1. No one wants to be in Iraq. They just wise enough to know that now is not the time to cut and run.2. All elected officials (including Bush) want out of Iraq. See 1.3. Not sure how you know that a majority of Iraqis want us out of Iraq. My brother and two cousins are there and the Iraqi people welcome them with open arms.4. The American people only have the left wing media to get information from and the left wing media has an agenda and that is to make Bush and republicans look as bad as they can. A war gone wrong is a perfect slant.
And by the way……..our “Democracy” voted him in.
“the left wing media has an agenda…”Posted by: jared | June 05, 2007 at 12:22 PM
To make money. They don’t sell papers showing hugs and flowers. Body counts do oh so much better.
When all else fails, blame the “left wing media”
::eyeroll::
I would not defend Armitage, but if he disclosed Plame’s identity without knowing that she was covert would would prevent a conviction. As for Novak, don’t think that he should be prosecuted.
I think we should just let Valerie Plame beat the living shit out of him.
Then we could bury him in a shoe box.
I would have no problem with charging both Armitage and Novak. Let the chips fall where they may. Get the whole thing out. As far as Libby goes, he lied, he’s going to jail. Good. Now how that protects Cheney, good luck with that one. Maybe so. Shall we not try , find guilty, and sent to jail all those who lie to Congress or the court? I have no problem with that, either. As to Plames’ undercover status, I didn;t find a quick reference to the CIA making that statement. The only one I found was CUnningham stating Waxman told him that the CIa told him. SOrry,I would prefere first source informaiton, as you have often asked for. I suspect all politicians of lying, or shading the truth about what somebody told them that somebody told them. I do agree that only the CIA can designate who is covert. I may have missed where the CIA came out and said it.
When the incident first came up, the CIA stated without equivocation that Valerie Plame as a convert agent.
hmmm….
I will look to find that. I don;t recall that being the case, but hell, there are lot’s of thing that I don;t recall anymore :(
You have to be completely ignorant if you think the media is fair in news coverage about politics. Just look at the questions asked to Hillary in interviews verses questions asked to republicans. The left is never questioned. Their poop don’t stink apparently. But you know what…….even with all the help the left wing gets from the media we still win elections……..let me guess, you think the election was fixed?
The “left wing media”? Are you sure you aren’t referring to the corporate-owned media most of us see? The corporate media whose motto is “if it bleeds it leads”?
LJ–
Who started the probe if not the CIA?
This is from a timeline of the Plame affair:
Furious that Plame’s covert identity had been blown, CIA officers pressed Tenet to refer the case to the Justice Department to determine whether the disclosure violated a law barring the willful exposure of a CIA officer. An investigation ensued.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/040706.html
As for Plame’s covert status, here’s what the “liberal media” had to say:
Washington Post editorial: “The trial has provided…no evidence that she was, in fact, covert.” [Washingotn Post, 3/7/07]
Mort Kondracke: “I frankly don’t think since Valerie Plame was not a covert officer that there was a crime here.” [Fox, 3/9/07]
Sean Hannity: “She did not meet the criteria, in any way, shape, matter or form as a covert agent.” [Fox, 3/6/07]
Robert Novak: “No evidence that she was a covert agent was ever presented to the jury.” [Fox, 3/6/07]
Brit Hume: “Whether the woman was covert, Valerie Plame was covert within the meaning of the law, remains at this point, still unclear. Unlikely she was.” [Fox, 3/6/07]
Victoria Toensing: “Plame was not covert. She worked at CIA headquarters and had not been stationed abroad within five years of the date of Novak’s column.” [Washington Post, 2/18/07]
And here’s a link to Valerie Plame TESTIFYING UNDER OATH that she was indeed covert–
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/16/plame-covert-testimony/
I hope that Plame testifying in the first-person will be a primary enough source for you, LJ.
Yup, Jared, the welcome with open-arms thing doesn’t pass the straight-face test.
I guess that explains the 4,000 US deaths so far . . . and counting.
As for the idiotic question of how do we know that Iraqis want us to leave?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html
Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls ShowLeaders’ Views Out of Step With Public
By Amit R. PaleyWashington Post Staff WriterWednesday, September 27, 2006; Page A22
BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 — A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers.
In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post.
*****
But I guess it would make sense that someone as wrong-headed as you doesn’t read newspapers . . .
I hope that Plame testifying in the first-person will be a primary enough source for you, LJ.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | June 05, 2007 at 12:46 PM
Yeah, and libby’s testimony should be primary source enough too. (hahahaha)
As I said earlier, if she was a covert agent, Armitage and Novak should be executed, at the least sent to jail for life. Got no problem with that.
ARE THOSE DEMOCRATS AND “REPUBLICONS” IN WASHINGTON CRAZY?? GO TO by copy and paste:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxo6RpjPC7MPosted by: Bill
6/5/2007 12:15 PM———————I agree, Call your senator immediately!
If CNN does not like it, it must be bad!
lj – and who would handle the prosecution that would lead to their execution? The Attorney General? Not likely.
Like I mused above, maybe a new administration can send them to Gitmo for ‘extraordinary rendition’
Gonzalez should go, no doubt about that. About Gitmo, I could be wrong but I don;t believe any american citizens are being held there
Right Angle, I loved the jab at the end of the movie.
“For English Press 1″ and then the Spanish Translation. :D :D :D
Scooter Libby Case – Hmmm, I wonder why Fitgerald found no evidence of a crime committed? Could it be that no crime was committed.
Could it be that Capn is once again howling at the moon keeping his neighbors awake at night with his usual rants and raves?
November 2008 – you decide. :D
If Armitage did not know of Plame’s covert status at the time of the leak, then he could not be prosecuted with a likelihood of conviction. The prosecutor cannot bring charges if it is not likely to result in a conviction.
I am no fan of Novak, but he MAY not have known that Plame was covert until after the fact.
The real culprit is Cheney and Libby took the fall for him.
‘Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak’http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/“The CIA determined, “that the public interest in allowing the criminal prosecution to proceed outweighed the damage to national security that might reasonably be expected from the official disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s employment and cover status.” “
Spinning and grinning but not a single word about being totally WRONG about Plame’s covert status.
And continually repeating false information from Rush O’Hannity about Plame’s covert status.
Yup . . . “reality” is whatever makes us look good and you look bad in CON world.
*****
BTW, LJ, Plame was testifying under oath. If she lies, she could be sent to jail on perjury charges just like Scooter was . . . Furthermore, her assertion was backed up by the CIA
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/05/AR2007060500150_2.html?hpid=topnews
Fitgerald found no evidence that Plame was outted.
dah dup dup DA DAH DAH
Walk on by
dah dup dup DA DAH DAH
Which came first, Chicken or Colombus?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070604/ap_on_sc/fowl_finding250;_ylt=AlBRLtb9zaou0JGRJNDfMb1xieAA
Study: Chickens beat Columbus to America
Mon Jun 4, 5:07 PM ET
WASHINGTON – Why did the chicken cross the ocean? To get to America before Columbus — and from the other direction — according to a new report in Proceedings of theNational Academy of Sciences.
Many scholars had thought chickens arrived in the New World with the early Spanish or Portuguese explorers around the year 1500.
When Juan Pizarro arrived at the Inca empire in 1532, however, he found chickens already being used there, raising the possibility they had been around for some time.
And now, researchers led by Alice Storey at the University of Auckland, New Zealand, report finding evidence that may ruffle some scholarly feathers. They found chicken bones of Polynesian origin at a site in what is now Chile.
Radiocarbon dating of chicken bones at the site on the Arauco Peninsula in south central Chile indicated a range of A.D. 1321 to 1407, well before the Spanish arrival in the Americas.
The researchers were able to obtain DNA from some of the bones of these early birds, and found they were identical to ancient chicken bones previously found in Tonga and Samoa.
Chicken had been used in the Pacific for at least 3,000 years, spreading eastward across the region as Polynesians gradually populated the islands.
The DNA from these chickens also shared some unique sequences with modern Araucana chickens from South America and some current chicken types in Hawaii and Southeast Asia, the researchers found.
Seems like the CiA might have cleared up the “covert” status. I await charges being filed against Richard Armitage, Robert Novak, and judith Miller.
It’s droll to watch a poster with the nic “Republican” whine about partisanship.
As I recall, getting a blow job in the Oval Office isn’t a crime. Ah, but a decade ago “principled” Republics determined that lying to a Grand Jury over a blow job was an impeachable offense.
Fitzgerald didn’t bring charges for outting Valerie Plame because Scooter Libby kept telling different stories, contradictory stories, in his Grand Jury testimony. You cannot swear to tell the truth and give conflicting versions of said truth without committing perjury. And said purjury, proven in a court of law and judged by a jury of his peers found Scooter guilty of obstructing justice.
Those aren’t just “underlying” crimes, they’re crimes of lying.
Poor “Republican” hopes to divert attention from Libby’s real crimes. But thinking people sort of have the opinion that outting a covert CIA agent might be a tad more threatening to America than an extra-curricular blow job.
LTP–
After ReplagiarBlank nic switched and trolled a number of people the other week, most of the regulars are refusing to dignify his posts with any kind of response, no matter how idiotic and worthy of a whack down.
I figure the longer he is ignored, the more spectacular will be his “I HATE EVERYONE AND GO TO HELL” flame out was like last time.
Should be a good one . . . again.
Do you mean that Republank may go on a JM -style meltdown? Damn, start selling the tickets, this should be a real moneymaker!
“After all, we’re not communists.”
- Barzini
LTP must be an intimate partner with WSClark, because he too brought up the Clinton Blow jobs. They both must be extremely interested in the sexual activities of Clinton to keep repeating the story.
The Democratic Congress found no evidence that Plame was outted.
Fitgerald found no evidence that Plame was outted.
Yet, the Democrits rely on some book that Plame was outted.
It’s seems apparent when facts and truth are in order, that the Democrits rely on shoddy journalism and an extremely biased book by Plame.
So much for the Rule of Law with Democrits. Even if they are in charge of investigating it, they don’t believe their own investigations.
What a bunch of maroons.
Walk on by…………… wait for the JM-style meltdown…………. sell tickets…………. make lot’s of money………… contribute it to Democratic causes……….. cause another meltdown………. get rich…………..
CIA: “Ms Plame was a covert officer”
28%ers: “You can’t prove it!”
:::HUUUUUUUGE effin’ eyeroll:::
‘Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leakNewly released unclassified document details CIA employment’Read Plame employment report (pdf)http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070529_Unclassified_Plame_employement.pdf
I await charges being filed against Richard Armitage, RObert Novak, Judith Miller and others
I guess if you can no longer deny that humans are causing climate change, then just blind yourself?
‘U.S. scales back climate science via satellites’Overall climate program in serious jeopardy,’ NOAA and NASA experts say ‘http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19030744“The reduced system of four satellites will now focus on weather forecasting. Most of the climate instruments needed to collect more precise data over long periods are being eliminated.
Instead, the Pentagon and two partners — the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA — will rely on European satellites for most of the climate data.”
lj – and who do you anticipate will initiate such charges?
Ben-Nobody. Sad but true.
Right, cosmos & Tom–
Ignore the CIA statement. Ignore Plame’s taped testimony under oath.
She was NOT COVERT, dammit. And the earth is only 6,000 years old. And global warming is a communist plot. And Bush never told a single lie, not once. And if we elect a Democrat, our wives will be wearing burkahs. And John Kerry who earned a silver star, a bronze star, and three purple hearts is a LYING COWARD but George W. Bush who went AWOL for three years served his country with HONOR. And when Rush Limbaugh ridicules blacks and poor people, he’s just JOKING for heaven’s sake and why can’t you libs grow a sense of humor. And increasing the national debt is GOOD because then government will go bankrupt sooner because government is bad and we need to get it off our backs.
Talk about meltdown, Capn is having one right now, along with a hissy fit and stamping his feet.
An unclassified document that talks about covert activities…
That’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
Walk on by, until the JM-style meltdown begins, then sell tickets……..
Ooops…’UN warning over global ice loss ‘http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6713139.stm“Hundreds of millions of livelihoods will be affected by declining snow and ice cover as a result of global warming, a UN report has warned….’Feedback’ fearsIt added that rising temperatures were already resulting in the thawing of permafrost in places such as Siberia. This was leading to the release into the atmosphere of methane, a potent greenhouse gas.”
In the words of Fleettwood,
“Everybody Panic!”
oxy-moron: The blank on a respirator.
fleettwood, who fapped wildly over Michael Griffin?http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/at_least_bush_i.html#comment-71210014
Griffin said this:”I’m aware that global warming exists. …I’m also aware of recent findings that appear to have nailed down — pretty well nailed down the conclusion that MUCH of that is MANMADE.”
“”"Top NASA official questions Global Warming”"
HA!! Suck it, cosmo and all the rest.”
This is what I posted. Hardly fapping wildly (’though you would be the expert).
Saying that much of it is “man made” really doesn’t say very much, does it.
I would conclude that much of that is volcano made.Giant corks anyone?My statement is true, also.
fleettwood,
“Saying that much of it is “man made” really doesn’t say very much, does it.”
Actually it does… when there are people(sic) claiming that the warming is “natural”, and NOT caused by humans.
fapfapfap
Looks like fleettwood is ‘enjoying’ himself again?
His “volcano” statement is “true”, only if you believe that a falsehood is true.
‘Climate myths: Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11638“Measurements of CO2 levels over the past 50 years do not show any significant rises after eruptions. Total emissions from volcanoes on land are estimated to average just 0.3 Gt of CO2 each year – about a hundredth of human emissions (pdf document).http://www.bgs.ac.uk/programmes/landres/segs/downloads/VolcanicContributions.pdf “
That is fascinating.
Actually it does… when there are people(sic) claiming that the warming is “natural”, and NOT caused by humans.
Posted by: cosmos | June 05, 2007 at 03:55 PM
The dinosaurs may differ with you on the causes of Global Warming and better yet, the Wooly Mammoths. :D
Anybody else get to hear Rhodes on Air America talking about the JFK terrorists. How it was all a big NOTHING.
How there is no way it could have been blown up.
How there is no way these guys could ever have gotten funding.
How they could never have gotten the training.
I’m guessing the same kind of logic would have been used on 9-11 had we been allowed to stop the terrorists (profiling) WITHOUT the ACLU saying we violated their rights.
They could have never taken over the plane because thats why we have security in place to stop such a thing.
They could barely speak english, there is no way they would know how to fly a plane.
The cockpit doors are made of HIGH STRENGH aluminum with little latches (see sarcasm), there is NO WAY they could have forced them.
RADICAL MUSLIMS!!! never heard of them, no such things.
Now it makes me wonder what ol Randi would have had to say had the plot actually taken place, ANY GUESSERS???
“Anybody else get to hear Rhodes on Air America…”
What are the chances that one of the 10 people who listen to her are on this blog?
LMAO Fleettwood!
Tom,
Your 3:38 PM post is ROFL funny — and proven true yet again, at 4:18 PM.
Cosmos believes that Global Warming can only be caused by man.
“Actually it does… when there are people(sic) claiming that the warming is “natural”, and NOT caused by humans.”
Posted by: cosmos | June 05, 2007 at 03:55 PM
Ummm Did anybody READ the lawsuit that has been filed naming Rove, Novak, Cheney, Libby, Armitage, and 10 Does, as defendants???
Seems pretty clear in that law suit that Valerie Plame WAS a covert agent when she was outed… If she wasnt, WHY would her publication of her new book compromise classified information??
Seems that the CIA is saying she cant publish because a non-covert agent, has enough access to classified covert documents??? I think the CIA has stated numerous times as of today, that Valerie Plame WAS working as a COVERT Agent…
ALSO, it has been shown that Plame did NOT suggest that Mr. Wilson be sent on the fact finding mission to Niger on behalf of finding out the truth about the claims of looking for weapons grade uranium by Saddam….
Check out the LAWSUIT!!! Unfortunately, it’s apparently TRUE… She got outed, and for purely political vendetta on the part of Cheney and the Bush Administration…
If there is NO global warming, at least not man made, then here’s what we should do… Lets all go back to carbuerators, and Leaded gasoline… and lets get out the asbestos, and use it in all of our houses, and lets get rid of catalytic converters, and maybe bring down fuel costs, and by all means, lets go back to the old Coal Fired Steel Mills, and all of that horrible black smog that filled the old “steel valleys” in and around Pittsburgh, and made breathing difficult even for non-smokers… and lets not be so darned picky about testing the water we drink, or the paint we use on our houses, or on baby cribs…
If there is no global warming, lets just turn the clocks back, and give Los Angeles its smog like it used to have!!
Hey, if its all a myth, why not??
fleettwood,
Since you agree with NASA’s Michael Griffin, tell us what you believe Earth’s optimal climate is.
Is it a warming that would raise sea levels 2 feet? 20 feet? 40 feet?
A continued warming of the oceans that would bleach (kill) some more of the coral? Or all of it?
Or… is it the climate that humans, and all life on Earth has already adapted to over the many past centuries?
I choose the last choice.
Tom,
oxy-moron doesn’t understand the word “MUCH”.
Chas, You mean it wasn’t Plame who in her testimony before Congress that stated, “I reported to my supervisor about using Mr. Wilson for the assignment because he was well-qualified.” You mean that kind of non-suggestion. :D
Chas, you’re blithering again about the Environment. Everyone including me believes in an healthy environment. I just believe the U.S. can do a better job at it without the money-grabbing monkeys at the U.N.
Cosmos believes that floating, melting ice shelfs will cause a water level rise in the oceans. I wonder what part of science class missed that one in. Check it out Cosmos – put some ice in a glass of water and let it melt. See if there is any overflow. :D
Tom’s lifestyle gives toe touches a whole new meaning.
Walk on by…
Griffin Altered NASA Mission Statement To Remove Global Warming Reference
Last week, NPR asked NASA administrator Michael Griffin said that while he was “aware that global warming exists,” he wasn’t sure whether it “is a longterm concern or not.” Griffin said he is “not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with.”
Griffin subsequently clarified his remarks, stating that protecting the earth against global warming is not in the agency’s mission statement:
The agency is responsible for collecting data that is used by the science community and policy makers as part of an ongoing discussion regarding our planet’s evolving systems. It is NASA’s responsibility to collect, analyze and release information. It is not NASA’s mission to make policy regarding possible climate change mitigation strategies.”
But from 2002-2006, it was. Part of NASA’s mission was to “protect our home planet“:
To understand and protect our home planet; to explore the universe and search for life; to inspire the next generation of explorers … as only NASA can.
In Feb. 2006, the mission statement was “quietly altered” to remove the phrase “to understand and protect our home planet.” Even a year ago, NASA scientists predicted that because of the mission statement revision, there would “be far less incentive to pursue projects to improve understanding of terrestrial problems like climate change caused by greenhouse gas emissions.” Top NASA climatologist James Hansen called the deletion “a shocking loss,” because he had “been using the phrase since December 2005 to justify speaking out about the dangers of global warming.”
In contrast to the previous mission statement, the 2006 revision “was made at NASA headquarters without consulting the agency’s 19,000 employees or informing them ahead of time.” Instead, it was submitted as part of the 2006 Earth Science Research and Analysis budget, which is a joint product of the White House’s Office of Management and Budget and the NASA Administrator, Michael Griffin.
Therefore, Griffin is right. Unfortunately, protecting the earth against climate change is not part of NASA’s mission anymore. But that’s because he changed the mission.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/04/griffin-nasa-mission/
SolDevVB,Why would Kansans doubt the government-sanctioned brutality of the Nazi holocaust, when they can see George Tiller’s incinerator frequently fired up in Wichita, disposing of the viable babies he continues brutally killing, with the endorsement and sanction for his crimes that he has purchased from our corrupt state government with his blood-stained profits?
As predicted and no one would believe me that Bush would start cutting down on NASA’s budget and responsibilities. Hansen and his buddies can now go seek employment in some European Carbon Credit Clearing House.
You know, the Continent that started two World Wars and claim moral superiority.
‘NASA Researcher Finds Days of Snow Melting on the Rise in Greenland’http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2007/snowmelt_greenland.html
‘Greenland ice melt speeds upWarming: Trend is confirmed via satellite, flyovers’http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/06/02/MNG4VQ6A0B1.DTL&type=printable
Perhaps Greenland will once again become green. :D
Evidently Greenland was in the optimum temperature climate hundreds of years ago, before it turned into a frozen wasteland.
‘Hundreds of Antarctic Peninsula glaciers accelerating as climate warms’http://www.physorg.com/news100268924.html
‘Greenland Used to be Green’http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/03/greenland-used-to-be-green.html
“To begin with, the Antarctic is extremely cold with a high average temperature of just -56°F. Even if the Antarctic temperatures did rise a few degrees, they wouldn’t be high enough to melt the glaciers as the temperatures would still be well below – 87°F below – freezing. The latest GCMs predict warming of just 1-3°F by 2100, still leaving the Antarctic bitterly cold. Furthermore, the Antarctic ice sheet is very large, and thus it takes a long time for the ice sheet to respond to warming. For instance, it would take the West Antarctic Ice Sheet 50,000 years to react to any warming that may be occurring now – so the world is not in any imminent danger of a catastrophic flood.11″http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA235.html
Everybody panic! In 50,000 years we’ll be in deep stuff!
Ah but Cosmos’ article doesn’t deny that Greenland was not warmer albeit for a short period. No doubt the Norsemen and their SUV’s contributed to Climate Change. (rolls eyes.)
Perhaps it got colder because of Natural Climate Change!
Thanks Cosmos for verifying that I was correct that Greenland had a warmer climate and a colder climate all do to NATURAL changes.
Repub, you forgot to add into what happens when the ice shelf breaks off and floats away into warmer water and what it does to temperature conductivity.
Repub — Do you mean to tell all of us that all of your rantings on here about global warming, are just because you dont like the UN???
You old John Bircher…. Probably thought McCarthy was right too… poor soul!!
If you cant see the value of a United World working on important issues, whether man made, or caused by nature, then I do have much pity on you… NO one nation can do this alone… Its too big for just one nation…
Did you learn nothing from WW I, WW II, Korea, and even this fiasco in Iraq about coalitions??? And alliances???
No Chas, I’ve always acknowledge Climate Change. There has always been Climate Change since day 1 of the earth’s creation.
And I’ve already explained this many times about the U.N. If the U.S. does not comply to the Kyoto Treaty they can take the U.S. to World Court and sue them for a huge fine.
Also, because of the way Carbon emission standards are set up in the U.N. treaty, the U.S. will more or less have to pay for many financially lesser countries because of the way the U.S. is structure (Total Population divided by the amount of land.) Smaller countries with denser population will have a better financial status than the U.S. in the Kyoto Treaty and won’t have to pay as much.
Like I said before, the Kyoto treat is more about money than the environment.
I strongly believe the U.S. can do better than the Kyoto Treaty and we won’t bankrupt any companies or Farmers in the process.
That’s right…Farmers. Under the Kyoto Treaty, the amount and type of land use is heavily penalized. This is not the way to be a productive society where every swinging date, nut and banana is taxed out of existence.
The socialist Cosmos has been pushing this catastrophic financial nightmare forever. He is purely driven to make the U.S. into a socialistic pawn of the U.N.
It ain’t happening on my watch, sorry.
No Wiseman, I didn’t forget to explain about the dilution in oceans.
This has happened before in earth’s history and the mechanism of oceans and currents are self-correcting.
Cue horn section–
da dit dit de DAH DAH
Walk on by . . . Just walk on by
da dit dit de DAH DAH
OK Capn… I’m – a – Walkin!!!
just one more… and republican knows all of what has happened since day 1, cause he remembers being there in each one of his past lives!!!
Republank aka oxy-moron,
Wow! Almost decade old science(sic) from,
‘National Center for Public Policy Research’http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Center_for_Public_Policy_Research
Thank you for again using your ignorance, stupidity, misquotes, and hate of the U.N. to help prove that humans ARE causing “much” of Earth’s global warming.
And walk on by…
No Cosmos, I love my country, unlike you.
You want the U.S. to become a pawn of the U.N.
It ain’t happening.
Cosmos hates the U.S. and is not a scientist. He spews the latest op-ed piece from the GW Alarmists archives in an attempt to squash any debate on the matter, so the Alarmist can line their pockets with U.S. dollars.
Avoid the bullshit piles in the road, but walk on by……..
That gets very hard to do Clark!! LOL
Thank you AGAIN, and walk on by…
Since Cosmos doesn’t deny it, he indeed hates the U.S. and wishes the U.S. to be a pawn of the United Nations.
I realize that those piles of bullshit may be very difficult to avoid, considering their size, but perhaps you can get a Sherpa to help you work around them.
Hold your nose, make the commitment and get past them as quickly as possible.
You can do it! We are praying for you! Go for it!
After watching the Republican debate tonight, I have to ask a basic question…..
The Republican seem intent on alienating Democrats and progressives. They heap scorn on the Left like they think that Democrats are not allowed to vote. They constantly slap Democrats and progressives, particularly on the Bush War of Choice, but on many, many issues.
Considering that at least 50% of the populous identifies themselves as liberal or progressive, how do the Republicans plan on winning the election in 2008?
And how could any of these candidates, other than Ron Paul, actually ask for a vote from a Democrat?
I will say this much, I will not vote for a Republican even if they offered to buy my vote.
Because Bush will provide a surprise package in October 08 that will make mature and honest voters flock to the Republican polls. :D
The piles are huge… but are also easy to recognize. A few of the categories are:
* Old, debunked info from a few discredited climate ’skeptics’.* The illogical claim that humans can’t cause climate change, because “nature” caused it in the past.* Misquotes and lies about what scientists say.* Obvious misquotes and lies about what other posters here believe.* Personal attacks on other posters.
But the “winner” is his irrational hatred of the U.N.
All the very credible climate science done worldwide for many decades, and the common sense that human-added GHG’s cause warming, is invalid — simply because he hates the U.N.
Cosmos, would you like to join me under the stars tonight? I just LOVE it when you talk politics to me!
Sorry, I left out two categories:
* Posts lies, using a stolen nic.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282* Has zero reading comprehension, and so is unable to make logical replies.
Including the massive Human Rights Failures in Africa by the U.N., here are more topics that talk about the United Nations Failures.
Here’s how the U.N. manages money:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1479974/posts
Blaming the U.S. for U.N. failures:http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/4494_0_2_0_C/
UN Exposed and US Betrayedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeLdpeLeJOU
You mean the UN is not a noble body that brings peace to the world?
Then what is the UN for?
Why are we paying so much money to the UN with taxpayer dollars?
Oh my gosh! What a waste!
Is Kyoto Treaty Dead?http://blog.washingtonpost.com/worldopinionroundup/2005/12/is_kyoto_dead.html
“A number of [countries] are saying ‘Look, we made a mistake. We don’t think that it’s worth opening up a new negotiation about a future commitment when the commitments we have today are looking so unreasonable’,”
“Personal attacks on other posters.”Posted by: cosmos | June 05, 2007 at 10:16 PM
Cosmos ego is so big, he doesn’t even notice he makes constant personal attacks on other posters.
I despise chritians, jews, muslims, any people of “faith”. Religious fools who believe in “God” or some supreme being are nothing but emotional cripples in need of a crutch!
Keep Guns Legal, Outlaw Religion!!!
Cosmos is just anti-social and paranoid because he’s uncomfortable about being gay. Personal attacks serve as a destraction away from the lack of a sustantative rational discussion, when it doesn’t go his way. (And that happens quite often, if you haven’t noticed!)
Republank,
Thank you again for proving that I’m correct, and that your opinions are wrong.
Re the 10:46 PM aim.org link,
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Accuracy_In_Media“National Advisory BoardDr. Frederick Seitz, President Emeritus, Rockefeller University”
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Frederick_Seitz
And…’Art RobinsonMisleading scientist’http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1067 “It’s interesting to note that Fred Sietz, the author of the cover letter is also the former medical advisor to RJ Reynolds medical research program. A 1989 Philip Morris memo http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2023266534.html stated that Seitz was: “quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice.” However, 9 years later, it seems that he was “sufficiently rational” to lead the charge on Robinson’s Oregon Petition.”
And 18 years later…?
Cosmos, you and Clark done already?
Boy, I’m surprised you can even sit down to type!
Or maybe there’s a reason why you can sit down and Clark can’t.
Walk on by…
Cute little code between Cosmos and Clark – very sentimental isn’t it? I’m sure Dionne Warwick sounds much better when SHE sings it though. Make’s ya want to grab a kleenex….If you see me walking down the streetAnd I start to cry each time we meetWalk on by, walk on by
Make believeThat you don’t see the tearsJust let me grieveIn private cause each time I see youI break down and cryAnd walk on by (don’t stop)And walk on by (don’t stop)Walk on by
I just can’t get over losing youAnd so if I seem broken and blueWalk on by, walk on by
Foolish prideIs all that I have leftSo let me hideThe tears and the sadness you gave meWhen you said goodbyeWalk on by (don’t stop)Walk on by (don’t stop)Walk on by (don’t stop)Walk on
Walk on by, walk on byFoolish prideThat’s all that I have leftSo let me hideThe tears and the sadness you gave meWhen you said goodbyeWalk on by (don’t stop)Walk on by (don’t stop)
Now you really gotta go, so walk on by(don’t, don’t stop)Make believe you never see the tears I cry(don’t, don’t stop)—–
Well Fitz thought there were crimes committed.
“Fitzgerald told the judge that Libby’s lie made it impossible for the public to know whether he is shielding himself, or others who committed leak crimes.”
Washington Post
Funny Cosmos makes references to links that have nothing to do with what was being discussed (the U.N.)
You see Cosmos main goal in life is all about ad hominem attacks on people he doesn’t even know. He just wants to discredit PhD’s, even though Cosmos hasn’t passed high school. He admits not being a scientists and most likely is a far left wing radical Environmentalist. Most likely one of the eco-terrorists that want to destroy man and technology by any means possible.
Cosmos thrives on attention, like a child. She simply MUST post on every article. It’s a shame she seems to ruin legitamite discussions on most threads. I tend to overlook her like she’s an obnoxious car Ad in the middle of a good movie.
Like a naughty little girl standing in the corner, it’s best to just leave her alone, by herself, and ignored. She’ll either be in the corner by herself the rest of her life, or she’ll come around and learn how to behave.
Perfect name for her though, Cosmos standing alone in outer space, except she’s not very pretty.