Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the former chief of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney, was sentenced today to 2½ years in prison for perjury and obstruction of justice in the CIA leak case. In his surprisingly tough sentence, U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton also fined Libby $250,000 and called for two years of probation after his release, suggesting people in such positions of public trust "have a special obligation to not do anything that might create a problem." That description of Libby’s wrongdoing is as vague as this case turned out to be. Now, the only thing seemingly standing between Libby and the jailhouse door is a presidential pardon. Will President Bush oblige?
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Vague . . .
Funny, the jury didn’t find it vague.
They saw three counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice as perfectly clear.
The only thing vague about it is why the press hasn’t awakened to the simple fact that the American people are mad as hell and not taking any more getting lied to by our employees–elected officials.
Of course bush will oblige and Libby will be pardoned. His silence was bought and the price must be paid.
Remember this crime not only goes to outing a covert agent but also to skewing the case to go to war. Because he couldn’t remember and lied about what he did say he was ONLY found guilty of four of the five charges. He is a convicted felon.
Thousands have died. This is very serious. There must be accountability!
Yeah, I guess Bush deserves all of that. After all he hired former Clinton Democratic employees Tenant and Wilson and put them in charge of securing important information, none of which turned out to be true.
Perhaps if we would have known what documents Sandy Berger stuffed down his pants, the report to the 911 commission would have been more accurate on what intelligence was accurate and what wasn’t.
But no, Bush had to be bi-partisan and hire two dopes from the Clinton administration who essentially lied to him and caused all of this.
Shame on Bush for being bi-partisan and trusting Democrats to be professionals.
Rhonda,Your partisan colors are showing once more. We will avert our eyes while you take care of that problem.
This is how “vague” the case was:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/images/blogs/news_blog/Libby_%20Sentencing.pdf
Libby clearly fell on his sword to protect the worthless ass of Dick Cheney. Scooter will soon get the chance to evaluate the wisdom of that decision.
Any bets that should Libby decide to give up those who he is protecting, those same people [sic] would turn on him in a heartbeat. Libby would go from this angelic public servant to a perv who cross dressed in the presence of little boys.
Dear Steven,
“Libby clearly fell on his sword to protect the worthless ass of Dick Cheney. Scooter will soon get the chance to evaluate the wisdom of that decision.”
I’m sorry, I don’t see any evidence of this. Also, I don’t see any evidence that Cheney or any one else in the White House were involved in the ‘leak’.
Do you care to show me the link? If it is so clear to you that Scooter ‘fell on his sword’ to protect Cheney can you explain that to me?
Hank
You don’t see any evidence, Mr. Price, because Libby took the fall for Cheney. Had he testified truthfully, we would have known that Cheney released the information in an effort to discredit Wilson.
I do not recall who it was that testified, but apparently Cheney was quite irate about Wilson and looked to cast him in a bad light.
To think that this info was leaked without White House knowledge is naive. This was a White House project from the beginning.
Let’s see some proof of your allegation WSClark or are you just speaking out of backside once again on things you make up.
Walk on by . . . WSC . . . just walk on by . . .
Steven,
You linked to Fitzgerald’s sentencing memorandum to the court. Throughout the trial Fitzgerald ran from any evidence of Valerie Plame’s status at the time of the so-called-leak.
At one pre-trial hearing, he went so far as to argue it would make no difference to the case “if [Ms. Wilson] turned out to be a postal driver mistaken for a CIA employee.” He also objected to defense requests for documents concerning her status, insisting this was a perjury trial, not a trial about leaking classified information.
From the WSJ editorial:
“His stonewalling on this point before the trial led the defense to seek an instruction from the judge barring the prosecution from discussing the nature of Ms. Wilson’s job at the CIA. But now that the time for sentencing has come, Mr. Fitzgerald has decided that Ms. Wilson’s role is relevant after all.”
For the whole editorial:
http://www.scooterlibby.com/news/Read.aspx?ID=306
Hank
Mr. Price, Libby was charged with lying to a Grand Jury. The Republicans wanted Clinton removed from office for parsing his answer before a Grand Jury, so how can they defend Libby lying to a Grand Jury.
And the “there was no crime” defense won’t work – there was no crime committed by Clinton with Monica either.
Hey Clark,
“I do not recall who it was that testified, but apparently Cheney was quite irate about Wilson and looked to cast him in a bad light.”
Of course Cheney was irate! Wilson was lying about his findings on his trip to Niger! It has been proven that he was a liar!
Cheney wanted th truth out.
“You don’t see any evidence, Mr. Price, because Libby took the fall for Cheney. Had he testified truthfully, we would have known that Cheney released the information in an effort to discredit Wilson.”
Come on Clark, we know what the so-called-lies that Scooter was convicted on. They had nothing to do with protecting Cheney. They had nothing to do with Plame’s so-called-covert status.
It’s no crime to call a liar a liar. That’s why Fitzgerald ran from the evidence of Wilson’s lies and Plame’s status.
Hank
He was charged, he was tried, eh was found guilty, and now he has been sentenced. The only two questions left unaddressed are whether he will be free pending appeal(s) and whether or not there will be a pardon. Time will tell. Until then I suppose everyone will speculate on those two questions.
Oh, and of course, there will be some who think he shouldn’t have been charged, and this time it was OK to lie.
The rapper, Lil’ Kim, was sentenced to one year and one day in prison and ordered to pay a $50000 fine after lying to a grand Jury…Old Martha had to clean floors for five months in prison, plus five months of home detention and a $30,000 fine, and now what’s in store for Lil’ Scooter…a big “THANK YOU” pardon from George, Dick and the Gang back in Washington. It’s good to see these folks for what they really are…cheats, liars and thieves….aka POLITICIANS…By the way, don’t give us examples of who else committed a crime in the past, like my Mother always said, “It’s wrong no matter who done it.”
WS -
Clinton wasn’t impeached for a BJ by Monica, nor was his perjured testimony about Monica. Why do you continue to ferment that mythology?
linda-
Welcome. Did you finally give that dead horse at WV the heave-ho? About time . . .
So, Mr. Price, what did a REPUBLICAN prosecutor convict Libby of?
Lying to a Grand Jury?
Yes.
“Clinton wasn’t impeached for a BJ by Monica, nor was his perjured testimony about Monica. Why do you continue to ferment that mythology?”
Clinton was impeached for his parsed answer to Starr concerning his relationship with Monica – the question was did he have sexual relations with Lewinsky. Clinton answered with the parsed answer – the what is “is” defense.
Look it up.
And, for the 97th time, I did NOT say that Clinton was impeached for receiving oral sex.
I said that it was not a crime.
The Republicans argue that Libby shouldn’t have been convicted because there was “no underlying crime.”
I said that was not a defense.
So GMC–
Who is wrong: the Justice Dept who probed Libby, the prosecutor who made the case, the jury who found him guilty and the judge who sentenced him?
OR
The right-wing noise machine who claims this was all a fishing expedition to trump up a charge?
In other words, is the criminal justice system which you serve worthless and morally bankrupt or is it the conservative movement and world-view which you embrace which is worthless and morally bankrupt?
I await your answer.
Thank you GMC. No, I find great adults able to discuss, disagree agreeably, laugh, encourage and behave there at WV. I’m spending more time than usual online today and excusing it as well earned. It probably isn’t, but I’ve done it anyway.
I guess the Democratic Congress is morally bankrupt as well, as they found no evidence that Plame was outted during their investigation.
Of course, the spin monkeys like CapnAmerica will state otherwise, damn the “official” investigation.
Capn relies on shoddy journalism and street rumors.
“spin monkeys”
Sic ‘em WS
Capn:
I’ve not weighed in on the subject of this thread, and I’m not going to jump in on a typically baited, loadeded question.
Pass. But have fun spinnin’
Come on Clark,
You’re not that obtuse. I refuse to believe that you cannot get a simple point. I base this conclusion on your ability to completely ignore it.
Of course Libby was convicted. We know what the so-called-lies he was convicted on were. We also know what the truth was concerning those so-called-lies. The lies had nothing to do with protecting Cheney, Rove or even Scooter himself.
After several million dollars and four years, Fitzgerald was desperate to hang a scalp on his belt.
Hank
PS Hint, the point in the above was:
The lies had nothing to do with protecting Cheney, Rove or even Scooter himself.
The term “street rumors” discredits anything previously said. Its like the term “black market”, where is this market exactly? Are there sale pricing at said market? How is the parking at the “black market”? Is there someone on the street spreading rumors? Which street are they standing on? What does the guy look like that is spreading the rumors? Can we talk to him?
Ridiculous terminology discredits your point. Grow up. Use big boy words.
“How is the parking at the “black market”?”
Be careful. ws doesn’t like Black people much.
And he let Spin Monkey
“Walk on by…”
Huh, go figure…
GMC–
I was wondering if you had the courage to criticize your fellow CONs.
Answer–nope.
“Better to be thought the fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
Oops, “better to remain silent and be thought the fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/business/media/05decency.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Court Rebuffs F.C.C. on Fines for IndecencyBy STEPHEN LABATONPublished: June 5, 2007
WASHINGTON, June 4 — If President Bush and Vice President Cheney can blurt out vulgar language, then the government cannot punish broadcast television stations for broadcasting the same words in similarly fleeting contexts.
That, in essence, was the decision on Monday, when a federal appeals panel struck down the government policy that allows stations and networks to be fined if they broadcast shows containing obscene language.
Although the case was primarily concerned with what is known as “fleeting expletives,” or blurted obscenities, on television, both network executives and top officials at the Federal Communications Commission said the opinion could gut the ability of the commission to regulate any speech on television or radio.
Adopting an argument made by lawyers for NBC, the judges then cited examples in which Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney had used the same language that would be penalized under the policy. Mr. Bush was caught on videotape last July using a common vulgarity that the commission finds objectionable in a conversation with Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain. Three years ago, Mr. Cheney was widely reported to have muttered an angry obscene version of “get lost” to Senator Patrick Leahy on the floor of the United States Senate.
*****
The RepubliCON puritan police are gonna be p*ssed at Cheney’s “go f*ck yourself” and Bush’s flip off of the press now that it has this effect–and justifiably so.
The hypocritical b*st*rds lose one for once.
Karma is such a beyotch.
I meant to post the above in the “open thread.”
My bad.
Of Course, the Democrite CapnAmerica has never said “fleeting expletives,” or blurted obscenities,” here on WE Blog or elsewhere.
Democrat, Hypocrisy is they name.
Cue trumpets:
da da duh DA DAH DAH
da da duh DA DAH DAH
“The RepubliCON puritan police are gonna be p*ssed at Cheney’s “go f*ck yourself” and Bush’s flip off of the press…”
That’s what men do. Big deal.
I think when bush makes libby’s pardon, it will be encompassing enough to exonerate the terrible trio, bush,cheney,rove, should the truth ever come out, say in libby’s memoirs.
That’s what men do. Big deal.
Posted by: fleettwood | June 05, 2007 at 03:32 PM
(chortles)
Well, if that’s what men do, Fleetie, why are BushCONs screaming for censorship?
Remember the fundyCONs and their OUTRAGE! at Janet Jackson’s boob, a boob which was covered with a pastie even . . . sheesh.
Anyway, I’m outta here. Gotta run.
Literally. 5 miles.
“President Bush’s Republican and Democratic appointees to the commission have imposed a tougher policy by punishing any station that broadcast a fleeting expletive.”
Looks like there are some of the “you people” on this same commission. Looks the good capn has stepped on his dick again.
I’ve gotta run. No, really.10 miles (the first liar always loses)
Capn:
Making no comment means just that – no comment. I have made no substantive comments on the subject of this thread, either way. I have never written about this case. I will not do so now.
Your attempt, out of the blue, to spin that silence into a partisan position is pathetic. I need not prove a damn thing to you, or anyone else, about my “courage.”
And your attempt to make that silence on this subject into something it is not seems to mean that I am now your windmill to tilt against. You’re “ignoring” Republican – sorta – so you need someone else to provide a foil for you.
I suppose I could be flattered I am worthy of your attention, but I’m not particularly so. While you often do write substantively, your writing is generally so laden with pejoratives and meaningless and petty insults that it diminishes any valid points contained therein. And you often permit yourself to be drawn into endless, and pointless, tit-for-tat threads.
To borrow JR’s words, “Get over yourself.” You just ain’t that important.
So I’ll not participate at your bidding. I’ll comment when I choose to do so, in the manner I choose, addressed to the parties I choose. Unlike Repub., I won’t be baited.
But I will accept your apology, if you’re man enough to make it.
“But I will accept your apology, if you’re man enough to make it”
I think we can do without that kind of talk on this blog.
Biggest laugh or lie of the day is Bush is bi-partisan. Way to go Republican. I see you are still drinking that Rush koolaid.
Yeah well cat, I’m not as clean and articulate as Obama.
It’s okay GMC, I like being baited. I’m the 5000 pound catfish that’s gonna pull them under. :D
Damn, that was funny………
Catfish eat whatever crap floats to the very bottom.
How….oddly appropriate.
“Do you care to show me the link? If it is so clear to you that Scooter ‘fell on his sword’ to protect Cheney can you explain that to me?”
Not that it would do any good, since your opinions are so biased against the facts, the link provided by me in the post for which you were asking for a link, is where Patrick Fitzgerald in his painstaking manner knocks down each and every bogus argument partisans like you have thrown out for way too long.
READ IT – it is an 18 page pdf file.
“So, Mr. Price, what did a REPUBLICAN prosecutor convict Libby of?”
Actually, Clark, Patrick Fitzgerald is a registered independent – he officially supports no political party.
“Actually, Clark, Patrick Fitzgerald is a registered independent”
One more reason not to trust him.
READ IT – it is an 18 page pdf file.
Posted by: Steven Davis | June 05, 2007 at 04:39 PM
Inadmissible evidence…Fitgerald has his day in court to prosecute and he found nothing!
Turn out the lights…
The Party’s over…
Where was it that i read continuously in this blog “they ain’t got nothing”?….Appears Mr. Libby is a free man and everything appearing before us is just a smoke screen. I think not, i’m betting ole geedubyah will use the ability of pardon to clear his loyal friend. Just an observation, but, i think it’s a calculated one. Doesn’t really matter, 2008 will show the same results as 2006 and the list of geedubyahs loyalist who get convicted after he leaves will truely regret placing so much faith in him.
“Turn out the lights…
The Party’s over…”
I don’t know. For Scooter’s cellmates the party may just be beginning!
Doesn’t really matter, 2008 will show the same results as 2006 and the list of geedubyahs loyalist who get convicted after he leaves will truely regret placing so much faith in him.
Posted by: First Timer | June 05, 2007 at 04:51 PM
And you base your conclusions on a Congressional Inquiry and a Federal Prosecutor who found nothing?
Or what do you base this “opinion” on? Are you another “deep throat?”
Just exactly do you know and when did you know it? Are you willing to testify before a Grand Jury on what you know? :D
Ironically, after the exit of geedubyah in 2008, with a dem as president, the use of pardons will not be available to those convicted after his exit. Gonna be fun to watch, this i’m looking forward to…..BTW, what happened to “they ain’t got nothing”? On a side note, Ya think scooter will use powder or bar soap?
“Inadmissible evidence…Fitgerald has his day in court to prosecute and he found nothing!
“Turn out the lights…
“The Party’s over…”
Don’t you justa love when the republitrolls are better attorneys than people with real law degrees, real licenses to practice law, actual prosecutorial experience, actual evidence collection, and cogent arguments (that in truth clowns like pubtroll don’t understand).
The troll doesn’t need to refute arguments proposed by Fitzgerald, no… that isn’t necessary. He just has to say “The party is over.”
Fitzgerald also refutes your nonsense point that he had to establish an underlying crime. He did not, obviously. Please do some reading, or admit that you have no interest in the truth. I am not betting on either of the preceding happening.
Since the troll is here, the chances of reasoned argument are over; with that I will agree.
So what do you know officially Steven Davis and when do you know it ? Are you willing to testify before a Grand Jury on your knowledge of the matter?
Or are you relying on Media tripe once again? Is that all you got?
If so, you’ve got nothing.
I must admit, I pre-judged judge walton, thought that since bush had appointed him, he would behave like the SC, and be a political hack and justice would never be served. Glad to see he’s a man of integrity. There are too few in the Repub. judicial appointments.Incidentally, walton served on a committee to try and reduce prison rape, Scooter better get some pointers!”Judge Reggie B. Walton assumed his position as a United States District Judge for the District of Columbia on October 29, 2001, after being nominated to the position by President George W. Bush and confirmed by the United States Senate. In May 2007, Chief Justice John Roberts appointed Judge Walton to serve as a Judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which is a 7-year appointment. Judge Walton was also appointed by President Bush in June of 2004 to serve as the Chairperson of the National Prison Rape Reduction Commission, a two-year commission created by the United States Congress that is tasked with the mission of identifying methods to curb the incidents of prison rape. Former Chief Justice Rehnquist appointed Judge Walton to the federal judiciary’s Criminal Law Committee, effective October 1, 2005. Judge Walton previously served as an Associate Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia from 1981 to 1989 and 1991 to 2001, having been appointed to that position by Presidents Ronald Reagan in 1981 and George H. W. Bush in 1991. While serving on the Superior Court, Judge Walton was the court’s Presiding Judge of the Family Division, Presiding Judge of the Domestic Violence Unit and Deputy Presiding Judge of the Criminal Division. Between 1989 and 1991, Judge Walton served as President George H. W. Bush’s Associate Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy in the Executive Office of the President and as President Bush’s Senior White House Advisor for Crime.”
Actually, Fitz. is registered with no political party affiliation. Truly, independent.
Republican,Of course no one knows the actual guilt of these people unless they admit it. No one ever knows the actual guilt of ANYONE unless they were a witness to the crime, or the accused admits wrongdoing.
IF the testimony had been avaiable to the public, like the AG Gonzales/Goodling case, we could have made a judgement. But either confirming or defending in a case like Scooter is ridiculous. THe whole blog is ridiculous–of course it was vague, we don’t know what happened! –and it’s left to irreducible opinion.
I wasn’t there! They got nutin’!
The entire federal justice system must have a liberal bias to have convicted such an upright citizen as Mr. Libby. It is just not fair that he was unable to lie to a Grand Jury in defense of his country. If we expect people to actually tell the truth depsite the damage it may do to the GOP and the Bush administration, then the terrorists have won. Why does the US District Court hate America? Those damn activist judges and their rule of law may have sent a guilty man to prison, but they have put us all at risk of death by evildoers and other terrorist type people.
Or, we can assume that the system doesn’t work because it’s loaded with partisan hacks like Kenneth Starr. Whoops…sorry…Patrick Fitgerald.
(both Republicans.)
The National Review says that Bush could end this saga by pardoning Libby:
“‘He [Libby] is a dedicated public servant caught in a crazy political fight that should have never happened, convicted of lying about a crime that the prosecutor can’t even prove was committed,’ the magazine said of Libby. ‘President Bush has the power to end this ridiculous saga right now. He should do so.’”
These clowns are off on two counts:1) an underlying crime was committed – that is indisputable, despite pub spin to the contray; Libby’s lies and obstruction of justice prevent it being definitively known who the first law breaker was (it was most likely Cheney)2) Bush is not the only one who could end this saga. Libby and/or Cheney could end this saga by simply telling the fu*king truth – admittedly a habit those guys are not too practiced at.
READ FITZGERALD’S RECOMMENDATIONS ON Libby’s SENTENCING. All Pub lies are knocked down like the dead ducks they are.
As a service to link reading impaired, the link is posted again:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/images/blogs/news_blog/Libby_%20Sentencing.pdf
Eighteen pages, children. It won’t kill you to read it.
On second thought, I believe the phantom is correct. Libby did register as an independent, but found out such is a political party and corrected that by belonging to no political party. He did this to be above suspicion.
Interesting, those stories that suggested Fitzgerald was on the hit list of AG AG for the 2006 firings, no? But members of the Bush administration would never, I repeat never, try to interfere with the process of justice, now would they?
(both Republicans.) – incorrect, see above.
Oh wait…Fitzgerald is a partisan hack who has no party affiliation. Sorry!
Fitzgerald is doing exactly what all Federal prosecutors do in a case that has a number of wrong-doers: he is squezeing the little guys (Libby) to force them to give up the bigger guys (Cheney & maybe even Bush).
There is more than enough Republican Party hush money already raised to pay Libby’s fines and legal fees. If the judge allows Libby to remain free while he pursues his appeal, there will be no problem. Bush can pardon him after the ‘08 election. If this judge puts Libby in confinement while working his appeal (as the judge is threatening to do) that will be interesting. Bush will be forced to play poker and bet if Libby will talk or not. My wager is that Bush will pardon him next week if Libby is sent to jail. That would be interesting. And the brain-dead Bush apologists will be doing much more than calling Fitzgerald a political hack. This could be so much fun.
GMC, the only guy on the blog who will write six paragraphs about why he’s not going write about something.
Yup, he’s a lawyer.
As far as an “apology,” for what?
For asking you to square respect for the law on the one hand with a CON world-view that says Libby’s conviction was a partisan hachet job.
I simply asked which side you were on: the CON side or the law side?
Fleetwood–
I used to run cross country. Five miles is nuthin. It’s a warm-up compared to what we used to do.
“My wager is that Bush will pardon him next week if Libby is sent to jail”
Not necessarily. Make sure he goes to a nice combortable ‘club fed’ and then pardon him after the 08 election. The payoff would be pretty generous for a year-and-a-half sentence.
Capn and Steven Davis are prime examples of Libs who constantly “Wagging the Dog” by spewing out their Liberal media stories as if they were true.
Anyone who has any kind of cells above their brain stem knows you don’t take the media as gospel – especially when it comes to legal proceedings.
Their analysis of subjects are totally useless and are the smallest fruit on the tree.
Walk on by……….. try to step around the bullshit in the road, but walk on by……………..
Repub, remeber your mantra you stated over and over, “they ain’t got nothing”….How quickly we forget.
Tip toe, WS, tip toe. Clark are you gay?
What does WS stand for anyway?
Wimpy Shithead?
Fleetwood actually brought up something worth discussing, no doubt by accident.
He pointed out that Democrats were on the FCC oversight committee and these were “my people.”
WRONG AGAIN, Fleetster.
I self-identify as a democrat only because they’re not the f***ing loony-bin party.
But probably the term that best defines me is a “progressive populist.”
As such, I support Ron Paul the Republican more than I support Joe “Sell Out” Lieberman, the former Democrat.
Hehehe . . . the first step in ReplagiarCon’s melt-down: nic-switching.
Next comes trolling.
Then comes the reasonable posters jumping his sorry ass.
Then comes the melt-down and flame-out.
Nice try, Tiny Dick.
. . . Walk on by . . . da dit dit DA DAH DAH . . . Walk on by . . .
“Tip toe, WS, tip toe. Clark are you gay?”
Yeah, if you fail to deal with an issue, accuse someone of being gay.
Wow!!!! That works!!!
Do you have anymore insults you want to throw at me?
I have no problem with gay people, but I find it really stupid to accuse someone of being gay. Gay folks are born that way.
To accuse someone of being gay is like accusing someone of being black or short or having red hair.
“Gay folks are born that way.”Posted by: WSClark | June 05, 2007 at 09:44 PM
Prove it.
Come outta that closet Clark, fess up.
It’ll be a load off your shoulders.
Tip toe on bye, tip toe on bye…
Clark wasn’t born that way, it chose to be gay! Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Tip toe on bye, tip toe on bye………….
Hey, I’m gay, proud, loud, cross-dressing, and living in your neighborhood.
Flying my rainbow flag high.
Right next to my Massachusetts flag.
Just for all the homphobes to admire (and fear).
Hmmmmmmmmmmm……………. why do I think that TT or Tiny Tim is actually our non-friend Republank?
Jeez, now we have a new scroll over, walk on by poster!
See you TT, see you Tiny Tim, see you Republank…..
That’s fine, Capn.
You’re not man enough. That tells me all I need to know.
Repub, remeber your mantra you stated over and over, “they ain’t got nothing”….How quickly we forget.
Posted by: First Timer | June 05, 2007 at 07:43 PM
That’s true First Timer, and they “still ain’t got nothing.”
Using media reports to define possible legal outcomes is at best serendipity.
“Anyone who has any kind of cells above their brain stem knows you don’t take the media as gospel – especially when it comes to legal proceedings.”
Sorry, brain-dead apologist, I am not taking about any media story. Once more I will link to Patrick Fitzgerald’s remarks about Libby’s sentencing:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/images/blogs/news_blog/Libby_%20Sentencing.pdf
Your brain cells above your spinal cord quit working long ago. Maybe we can petition your family to take your computer away from you. The WE folk would surely appeciate not having to give up so much space to a ranting organic lunatic.
There is nothing in that document that proves anything Steven Davis.
The only thing it proves is that a Judge agreed with Fitgerald that Libby “may” have lied in a circumstance where he discussed iwth a reporter that he MAY have known about Plame being a covert agent.
So Libby is going to prison on a maybe conversation that shoulda coulda woulda been if only he said what he didn’t say.
Yeah okay Steven Davis, keep on spinning.
Your brain cells above your spinal cord quit working long ago. Maybe we can petition your family to take your computer away from you. The WE folk would surely appeciate not having to give up so much space to a ranting organic lunatic.Posted by: Steven Davis | June 05, 2007 at 10:59 PM
Nothing wrong with a little ranting, is there Stevie?
Organic?
Our embarassment candidate raised his hand that he’d pardon libby, like there’s a chance in hell he’ll be in a position to pardon libby. Sounded like they all dissed bush, funny, one day they’re trying to ride his coat tails, next day they’re kicking him in the ass. Republicans all, pure and simple.
I am Republican, hear me roar, in numbers too big to ignore..”
Purjury is purjury. He lied under oath. It doesn’t matter if it was about a cookie recipie, he lied…under oath.
Case closed. Enjoy your stay scooter until Bush pardons you and Charles Manson.
Wait, Clinton lied under oath! Purjury is purjury is purjury!
Regrettably, Mr. Libby chose the one option that the law prohibited: he lied. He liedrepeatedly to FBI agents and in sworn grand jury testimony, and he lied about multiple factscentral to an assessment of his role in the disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment. Helied about when he learned of Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment, about how he learned of herCIA employment, about who he told of her CIA employment, and about what he said whenhe disclosed it. In short, Mr. Libby lied about nearly everything that mattered.
Posting PDF does weird stuff.The above post is direct from the sentencing report. Seems clear to me: he lied; he’s going to jail.
If I were GMC, I’d say that he’s “not man enough” to answer my question, but I’m not and so I won’t.
Yeah, it was a loaded question. It was intended to show what I believe to be a logical contradiction in your position.
So “un-load” it and answer it.
Your unwarranted demands for an “apology” and windy susperitions on why you won’t answer the question don’t give me confidence that you CAN reconcile this contradiction.
It’s okay. You can’t win them all.
Capn:
But you’re not me. See, I can say “no.” I understand you need a windmill to tilt at, but I won’t be it. I still make my choices, not you; I don’t jump when you say jump.
You’re still trying to spin a no comment – not just the usual no comment, but no writing, no position at all on this subject – into a partisan position.
Query: Why?
Are you lonely? So short of attention you need an attention fix? Feeling bored now that you’re “ignoring” your usual play buddy? Or do you just feel a need to have your ass handed to you?
Do you really think your ‘challenge’ matters in the least? Get over yourself, and get a life. Or find a new play buddy.
Can’t win them all? Perhaps. But as I’ve written before, this blog isn’t about “winning,” at least not to me. Even if it were, as the lottery ad goes, you can’t win if you don’t play. And I won’t play. When I play, I’ll pick the playground.
No, Capn, you’re not me. You’re not man enough.
GMC–
Thank you for that insightful response.
Even though I disagree with your position, I feel edified by your taking the time to discuss the issues without a personal attack.
Looking forward to more dialogue at your level of high-minded discourse,
CapnA