Here’s hoping President Bush can take another look into Russian President Vladimir Putin’s eyes this week, during the Group of Eight summit in Germany, and see a means to better communication over the planned U.S. missile defense shield and other issues. "The Cold War is over," Bush keeps saying. The problem is that Bush’s credibility isn’t what it used to be, undermining his assurances that the missiles we’re worrying about are Iranian or North Korean. Another factor underlying this spat: Bush’s approval ratings are 10 to 20 percent in Europe and 28 percent at home, while Putin’s approval rating in Russia is a baffling 81 percent.
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When one controls the Polls as Putin does, you can give yourself any rating you want.
The 19 percent that voted negatively are hiding from the secret police and goon squads.
Hmmmm let’s see… And Bush doesnt control any polls here?? The LAST thing Bush needs now is to get into a tiff with Putin and Russia… over missile defense.
Maybe Bush should have done some advance work with Putin, BEFORE he announced the Missile Defense shield???
Another example of bush’s failure to either use or understand diplomacy. He’d rather start another cold war, then communicate.
The headline should read:
PUTION Has Some Repair Work to Do with Bush
Why does the Eagle ASSume Bush is in the wrong here? (Bias of course)
Bush isn’t threatening to deploy a new class of ICBM that can destory Russia.
Bush isn’t sending nucleur technology to Iran – helping Iran to build The Bomb.
Bush isn’t cutting off oil/gas supplies to Europe.
Bush isn’t using US Troops to attack his own country.
Putin HAS done all of these things, is the aggressor here, yet Bush gets the blame and gets put on the defensive.
Putin needs to realize he’s threatening a superior force, at a time when the US no threat to Putin, unless of course, Putin has designs to take over the middle east.
Come on George, show ole’ Putin the ‘two thumbs up’ and threaten he’ll be the next ‘Mission Accomplished’, that’ll scare hell out of him.
I agree! It isn’t Bush that needs to do any repair work, it is Putin.
Why is Russia worried about a DEFENSIVE missile? This package can DO NO harm to an adversary. It PREVENTS harm from adversaries.
Russia has enough nukes to blanket the areas protected and saturate the defensive system. Putin can sleep soundly knowing he can still vaporize them.
You gotta ask why his panties are in a wad are over a DEFENSIVE system.
JM — How can he communicate when he can barely put two sentences together without errors???
“Vladimir, that’s what I cal him, Vladimir”
GW
“PUTION Has Some Repair Work to Do with Bush”
We have a BINGO! How do you spell oil-for-food?S-C-A-N-D-L-E
Looks like the soul mates have had a falling out!
Putin has also made an agreement with Iran to put in one billion of military hardware around the “harmless” nuclear facilities in Iran.
Putin is doing the old KGB sidestep. Make himself look like his on the high ground, when he’s actually dealing dirty deeds as fast as he can deal them.
The typical liberal philosophy:
Don’t do anything that someone doesn’t like so we don’t upset them because if we do it is all our fault…
This shield will do nothing to stop russia.
It is something like 10 (YES 10!!!) interceptor missles.
Meanwhile Russia is still sitting on over a thousand ICBM’s.
Putin knows this doesn’t hurt Russia, just political posturing.
And more fodder for the Blame America First crowd too.
The problem is that the Missile Defense system doesn’t work unless the incoming missiles have tracking devices and there are no “phantom” units to distract the defenses.
So far, the tests have been miserable failures. Every successful interception has been with a missile that had a tracker on board.
All this talk is just BS. The system does not work.
“The system does not work.”
Libs = quitters
“The problem is that the Missile Defense system doesn’t work unless the incoming missiles have tracking devices and there are no “phantom” units to distract the defenses.”Posted by: WSClark | June 06, 2007 at 10:37 AM
Just where do you get your information from WSClark? The rectal depository of Lock Stepping Liberals?
“Just where do you get your information from WSClark?”
It’s from the Department of Pulling Things out of Your Ass.
Unless you plan on talking the Russians into putting a tracker on their offensive missiles and only firing one at time, the system is a total waste. It can barely shoot down the missiles WITH trackers.
Yeah, that makes me a quitter – not wanting to waste money on a non-functional system.
“Yeah, that makes me a quitter”
How many filiments did Edison go through?
Look it up, I am not going to do your research for you…….
Baffling is right. If you ask me, Bush should work at trying to follow in the footsteps of Reagan to try to reel Putin back from sending Russia back to the USSR…which is exactly what he’s doing.
Afterall, it’s the one GOOD thing Reagan did do.But Bush has zero credibility nor does he have clout nor the pull nor the people skills to do any of that.
Maybe Bush should just stay away from Putin till a real president can get the job done.
“How many filiments did Edison go through?”
Edison didn’t package his light bulbs and mass market them before he found one that worked.
He finished the testing BEFORE he went public with his invention.
Um, Fleet…that’d beS C A N D A L.
You really are a winner aren’t you.
The irony in that post is hysterical.
Evidently Clark is not familiar with modern technology and claims that offensive missles need a built in tracker in order for them to be tracked.
What a maroon.
Sigh,
Fleetwood…someday the technology MIGHT exist to make an effective missile shield work. It doesn’t now…look at the positions of the American Physical Society and the National Academy of Science on the issue.
Currently, though not impossble, it is extremely difficult to distinguish a drone from a real warhead. All an enemy needs to do at this point is so overwhelm our current capabilities by launching hundred or thousands of drones among the real warheads that by the time the even one of the real warheads can be distinguished from the drones, it will b too late.
And to WS’s point, drones are cheap…thre is something fundamentally flawed with a system that must expend million of dollars when the enemy need to only expend thousands.
Don’t believe it? The most important weapon will always be the individual. Go look at the history of WWI. The Central Powers had a much more limited supply of manpower than did the Entente. Knowing this, they took care to shepherd what manpower they had by being careful in its use. The Entente, though, wasted the lives of hundreds of thousands in futile head on attacks against machine guns. Sure, the Central Powers lost, but they were able to inflict many more casualties on their opponents and to make that sad war last 4 long years…imply because they took didn’t waste money or equipment or men on operations bound to fail.
So far, the “missile defense system” has only been able to shoot down an “incoming missile” WITH a tracking device. Even with the devices, the success ratio is not all that good and it cannot differentiate between actual missiles and decoys.
The system has not been proven to this point and Bush wants to spend “how much” to deploy it in Europe?
Fleet and Company can spin it all they want – the system is non-functional in the real world.
Tsk Tsk Tsk… Sounds like Bush has been watching too much Star Trek and SG-1 again… next thing you know, he will want to get some dilithium crystals to build anti-phaser shields LOL
“Currently, though not impossble, it is extremely difficult…”
Libs, in the words of Homer, “never try”.
WS Clark,
Where are you getting your information from on their being a “tracker” in the missiles?
I have read a few articles on the latests test being quite a success with some of the most realistic situations.
According to a global poll, respondents said that China would be believed to act more responsibly than the US at this point in time.
CHINA! You know, Tienneman Square, forced abortions…that China!
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/04/368305.html
Gee they didn’t mention that on fox news did they.
Better to prove it in the lab for $100,000 and then deploy it rather than spend $10,000,000,000 in the field…just common sense.
You would have made a fine field commander in WWI for the French, Fleetwood. “You won’t know until you try”, over and over again with real people dying.
Also, you just brush aside the opinions of the 2 most important scientific groups in the country. Must be nice to know so much more than everyone else….(guffaw, chuckle,…finally, can’t stand it!! ROFLMFAO)
Fleet, the point is that we should make sure it works before spending billions to deploy a system.
We would expect as much from an automaker – shouldn’t we expect as much from the Pentagon?
The system has never intercepted an incoming missile that didn’t have a tracker.
Also,
SDI involves not only interceptor missiles, but laser interceptors too.
It is a process of improvement.
We will be equiping ships with interception capabilities, have modified planes with laser interception capabilities and ground based interceptors.
Which is better than nothing.
The picture never is quite as dark as the liberals would have you believe.
BFAH,
The “opinions” of those two science agencies?
What do they have in tests or studies, do you have a link?
Seems like they are more philisophically opposed to the idea.
Nathan — He gave you the two agency names.. Do you want him to cut the steak in little pieces and chew it for you as well??
“The picture never is quite as dark as the liberals would have you believe.”
Careful, Nathan. clark may take offense.
Chew on this
BREAKING NEWS: TURKISH TROOPS ENTER IRAQ.This war is so over……and our leaders are just to stupid to admit it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070606/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_iraq
Read it and weep 28%er’s. I guess engaging the neighbors of Iraq was a little more important than Rummy thought.
Mike,
Did you even read the article?
It doesn’t come close to the alarmist attitude you portray here.
In any type of safety review in any US corporation, there are several different types of things that can be done to remediate a dangerous situation. The first is to get rid of the dangerous situation…far down on the list is to implement an “engineering control” on the dangerous situation…that means installing some type of equipment meant to deal with something you couldn’t eliminate farther up the line….never a preferred option.
Building the missile shield as the first or primary option is like instituting an engineering control on a dangerous situation. Better to spend the effort on removing the situation in the first place…That’s why we should stop jumping to “engineering solutions” to difficult problems and do the harder work of redesigning things to eliminate the threat upfront.
Yes I did read the article. And maybe if you go read it again the Turks are talking about a larger invasion. Maybe if we could only get Jack Bauer to interpret for you.
“Maybe if we could only get Jack Bauer to interpret for you.”
I will, “WE’RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!!!”
About three quarters down the page…
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/nmd/
Additional information….
http://www.fas.org/faspir/v52m6a.htm
Oh, this is not a far left wing website……
Journal of the Federation of American Scientists (F.A.S.)
It’s not a “liberal” philosphy to communicate, negotiate, and work things out with other countries. The problem is Bush either doesn’t know how, doesn’t want to, or is “thinking” with his gut again. He has a shoot first, don’t bother asking questions mentality, which does seems to be the republican philosphy.
WS Clark,
Do you have anything more recent than 2000?
The technology and tests have come a long way since then…
I didn’t see anything about trackers in every test.
The most recent test, May 25, 2007, failed……..
From Salon…..
http://archive.salon.com/news/col/cona/2001/07/31/test/
From 2007….
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/12/national/main666433.shtml
Commentary from Slate….
http://www.slate.com/id/2097087
Evidently Mike is in denial about the history between the Kurds and the Turks.
Either that or he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Most likely the latter.
Evidently WSClark is an authority on missile defense now.
What that’s? Aegis Cruisers?
Airborne Laser Aircraft?
High Altitude burst mechanisms?
Hmmm… :D
I am familiar with the history a**hole! Very nice of you to discredit the information with a personal attack fistf***er. The point is……nevermind…..you idiots know it all.
Really Mike? You are familiar that Turks crossing the border to invade Kurd Bases is not a new thing?
And Yet you describe it as an invasion of Iraq from Turkey? Suggesting we have something to fear from a NATO ally?
Oh, sorry for confusing you with facts Mike. My bad.
Mike, just walk on by, it’s not worth feeding the troll…..
Join with me now.
“Walk, walk, walk on by…………”
The military sure is concerned about the operation repubic……extremely concerned is how the military spokesperson described it. I forgot that we are suppose to be naive about the relationship between the Turks and Kurds….maybe they will be friends and sing songs around the campfire.
Evidently Mike, you don’t know the Turks like I know the Turks. I was stationed there.
The only place I’ve ever been where guard gates checking ID’s, one looking at ID and the other with his hand on his gun, even though I was in U.S. Air Force uniform at a U.S. Nato Base.
The Turks hate the Kurds and Vice Versa.
The only concern is the confusion it may cause on how far the Turks may go into Iraq.
There is reason why Saddam Hussein didn’t mess with Turkey, he feared them.
WS Clark,
Again, where is the claim that every missile has a tracker in it?
An article actually from 2007:
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123026360
Operational missile defense test a total success
http://www.mda.mil/mdalink/pdf/07news0032.pdf
“Successful Sea-Based Missile Defense “Hit to Kill” Intercept”
“This marked the eighth successful intercept in ten flight tests for the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense(BMD) Program. The Aegis BMD system is the maritime component of the MDA’s Ballistic Missile DefenseSystem, and is designed to intercept and destroy short to intermediate-range ballistic missiles. This test alsomarked the 27th successful hit to kill intercept in tests since 2001.”
This is from April not some commentary from 2000…
Salon, Slate, CBS. What? Didn’t look at Democrap Underground?
Nathan,
You’re quoting the general in charge of the testing program !! My God, man, don’t you see a conflict of interest here? It has already been proved that at least 3 missiles had GPS beacons on them.
I guess if you define hitting a target with a beacon on it a success, then yes, it was a success. But the fact that the military didn’t reveal the presence of the beacon until questioned about it indicates they knew the test was bogus.
And again from April 2007…
http://www.mda.mil/mdalink/pdf/07news0029.pdf
“Successful Missile Defense Intercept Test Takes Place Off Hawaii”
Hardly a “total waste” like you want to portray WS Clark
BFAH,
Which 3?
There are over 27 successful intercepts.
“Hardly a “total waste” like you want to portray WS Clark”
These people are not interested in defending this country.PERIOD
The missiles are failure monkeys, just admit it.
Fleetwood,
I don’t think they would defend this country if it was their own backyard which was being overrun.
They would be more concerned with why I had an assualt rifle while defending my home…
“The missiles are failure monkeys, just admit it.”
TeeHee
You didn’t even read the link posted above by WS…
and I quote
”
Joe ConasonThe rigged missile defense testThe target destroyed in the “successful” defense shield test contained a global positioning satellite beacon that made it easier to detect. Why has the media mostly ignored the story?
- – - – - – - – - – - -By Joe Conason
July 31, 2001 | The Pentagon and the Bush administration are determined to sell the American people a national missile defense system that will probably increase tensions with allies and adversaries and will surely cost more than $100 billion. Their latest marketing exercise took place on the evening of July 14, when a “kill vehicle” launched from the Kwajalein Atoll in the Pacific smashed into a rocket sent up from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.
Precisely according to plan, the target was instantly vaporized on impact — and along with it, or so the Pentagon’s uniformed salesmen hoped, the perennial concern that missile defense won’t work. With the cooperation of major news organizations and conservative pundits, that test provided an enormous propaganda boost to the Bush proposal, which conveniently enough had been brought up to Capitol Hill by Defense Department officials just two days earlier.
There was only one thing that all the happy salesmen forgot to mention about their latest test drive. The rocket fired from Vandenberg was carrying a global positioning satellite beacon that guided the kill vehicle toward it. In other words, it would be fair to say that the $100 million test was rigged.
No wonder, then, that Lt. Gen. Ronald Kadish, the Air Force officer who oversees the NMD program, told the Washington Post on the eve of the test that he was “quietly confident” about the outcome. The general knew about the GPS beacon, while the reporters didn’t.
This rather significant aspect of the July 14 mission remained hidden in the fine print until a few days ago, when the Pentagon confirmed the role of the GPS device to a reporter for Defense Week magazine. But of course most Americans still don’t know why the test functioned so smoothly, because the Defense Week scoop was either buried or ignored by the mainstream media, which had so obediently celebrated the technological breakthrough two weeks earlier.
And as Kadish later acknowledged, each of the previous three tests — two of which failed anyway — had also involved the use of a guidance beacon. (To longtime observers of the missile-defense effort, this latest news recalled the notorious “Star Wars” scandal, when investigators discovered that a target had been secretly heated to ensure that it would be picked up by the interceptor’s infrared sensor.) ”
Now, once you’ve told a lie, it makes it much more difficult to believe a true story..Isn’t that what we’re taught as kids?
And as far as the 27 “successful” tests, many of those were also staged to be successful. Try reading disinterested journalism rather than propaganda….like the reports of the APS, the FAS, the NAS.
Big F’ing Ape Hater,
I think this is what gets the post shot down—
July 31, 2001
Out dated poster monkey.
What a brilliant riposte fleettwood…
The journalist QUOTED THE GENERAL…wtf does that have to do with being liberal or conservative.
Gosh, can’t get through to you…I guess I don’t speak retardese well enough for you to understand me.
Let me type it more slowly…
H E Q U O T E D T H E G E N E R A L W H O S A I D I T
BFAH,
Once again, anything more recent than 2000?
This is the year 2007. The program has come a long way since then.
Oh my, I should use better sources while you are quoting Joe Conason?
LOL
“The journalist QUOTED THE GENERAL”
Sure he did.
Fleetie, dang you get me laughing every day you post.
GPS tracking devices in test missle targets are used by ground and air crews to insure they know where the test missile is at all times.
If the missile goes off course, they can destroy it.
The GPS device is not used in any way by the test defense missile to track and shoot down the test “invading” missile.
Besides, there are airborne laser aircraft that can use GPS targeting to track incoming missiles and give the coordinates.
Much like painting a ground target with laser and getting air support with bombs or cruise missiles.
Really republican,
What did they track test missiles with before they had GPS???
How did they track the moon shots without GPS?
Yup, retardese is a hard language to master. I guess an immersion program works best like the ones Nathan, fleetwood, and a few others have taken.
And damn those Brits, how did they pinpoint the speed, altitude, and number of Luftwaffe planes during the battle of Britain without GPS???
Radar was used to track missiles, but weather occlusions and other natural anomalies make it risky.
Have you ever been in an aircraft that tracked missiles BFAH?
I have.
List your expertise on this matter BFAH. I would be interested in hearing it.
The missiles are traveling at hypersonic speeds…and they impact in less than an hour in many cases…kind of makes airborne tracking of them a pretty futile exercise…since you also have to TARGET them, and DISTINGUISH them from among the drones.
And those darn Brits, asking for some of the failure monkey system to be placed on their soil….
BFAH,
Neither you nor WS Clark have yet provided anything of substance to show that these missiles are loaded with trackers which enable the interceptor to hit them.
Perhaps they have done it before, but this is 2007.
Do you understand that? The year is 2007.
There have been many successful tests since 2000.
I am not a retard because I am not reading from left wing commentaries on how the missile tests are flawed while I can see that there have been numerous successful tests.
The push to develop the SDI program is improving all of our theater missile defense systems.
It is part of a program involvning lasers, ship based and ground based interceptors.
With an attitude like yours we would never have went to the moon.
Repub,
Why don’t you just list for us what you haven’t done, or where you haven’t been, or what degrees you don’t have…the list would be shorter.
BTW, laser doesn’t work in occluded skies either.
High powered XBand radar. Have you read anything on the system Ape Hater?
Pleae BFAH, show us something besides left wing commentary on this matter.
What a hypocrit you are. You will call all my sources biased because they are actual reports from the SDI program while quoting from Joe Conason.
I’ll repeat, Nathan, the General admitted it.
Try reading
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL33240.pdf
I quote
Can kinetic energy interceptor technologies for use against long-range ballisticmissiles be developed successfully and deployed as an effective part of the U.S.military posture? The answer appears to be ambiguous at this juncture. Can the nowdeployedNMD system protect the United States from long-range ballistic missileattacks? Currently, there is insufficient empirical data to support a clear answer.
http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123045601
“The Missile Defense Agency is testing and developing the Airborne Laser as part of the boost phase defense segment of the Ballistic Missile Defense System. The ABL, designed to identify, track and intercept enemy ballistic missiles shortly after missile launch, would operate at altitudes above the clouds to locate and track missiles in their boost flight phase, and then accurately point and fire the high-energy laser to intercept enemy missiles near their launch areas, MDA officials said.”
You can read more at the AF Website.
Oh and BFAH, it can shoot through all kinds of weather. Distortion and deflection mainly affects small wattage lasers.
BTW, the Airborne Laser Lab has been in development for three decades, there is more about it than this article shows.
There you go
read your own article repub…
“The ABL, designed to identify, track and intercept enemy ballistic missiles shortly after missile launch, would operate at ALTITUDES ABOVE THE CLOUDS to locate and track missiles in their boost flight phase, and then accurately point and fire the high-energy laser to intercept enemy missiles near their launch areas, MDA officials said.”
I know what it does BFAH, evidently you don’t.
No, I know what it does…you’re the one who brought up scattering and absorption as to why radar was not good enough and supported it with this link.
The reason the laser is necessary, repub, is that the missile has to be painted with the bean to allow another laser to hit it accurately…this laser hasn’t even yet been deployed or even developed for testing purposes. Radar wouldn’t work because it is not a narrow beam technology….
Doesn’t appear you know that much about it, repub..
BTW flying in a plane doesn’t make you a pilot….nor does it make you an expert on missile defense.
9 MAY 07 AIRBORNE LASER SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETES HIGH-SPEED TRACKING TEST
26 APR 07 SUCCESSFUL SEA-BASED MISSILE DEFENSE “HIT TO KILL” INTERCEPT
6 APR 07 SUCCESSFUL MISSILE DEFENSE INTERCEPT TEST TAKES PLACE OFF HAWAII
4 APR 07 STANDARD MISSILE-3 (SM-3) MANEUVERING SYSTEM SUCCESSFULLY TESTED
26 MAR 07 U.S./ISRAEL COMPLETE SUCCESSFUL ARROW MISSILE DEFENSE TEST
BFAH,
Ok. The worst that article said was that they were unsure. More testing needed.
Hardly saying the program is a failure.
Didn’t even begin to say that all the interceptors only worked because of trackers.
RADAR and Laser energy are two different wavelenghts. As a scientist, I thought you would have known this, but I guess not.
There are also multiple types of lasers and energy sources.
Radars are Range and through screen apertures they can detect speed and track, but are limited by horizon (unless airborne like AWACS aircraft.)
Just as Satellites have a limited ability for “looking down” at an area because of cloud cover, but can use different wavelengths of light such as infrared and other wavelengths of energy, can overcome this deficiency.
(shakes head)
nathan,
yeah, the point is this is a deployment in Europe..not a test, isn’t it?
Testing means smaller scale ….
So, we agree, don’t deploy the system until all of the kinks have been worked out…and those kinks are far from being all worked out.
I never said don’t work on it…I said work on it at the level appropriate for where the technology now is…If you can’t distinguish a the real target from 1000 drones on paper, you don’t need a full sized system to prove it.
RADAR and Laser energy are two different wavelenghts. As a scientist, I thought you would have known this, but I guess not.
There are also multiple types of lasers and energy sources.
Radars are Range and through screen apertures they can detect speed and track, but are limited by horizon (unless airborne like AWACS aircraft.)
Just as Satellites have a limited ability for “looking down” at an area because of cloud cover, but can use different wavelengths of light such as infrared and other wavelengths of energy, can overcome this deficiency.
(shakes head)
repub,
wtf does the fact that they operate at different wavelengths have to do with anything? wavelength play NO ROLE is laser detection. An object can be detected by a method like radar only as small as about twice the wavelength of the source. Radar is a long wavelength source, so it’s good for tracking things like ships and planes.
You don’t use radar to visualize atoms…why? Because the size of an atom is many hundreds of decades smaller than the wavelength of a radar. That’s why you use X-rays or thermal neutrons.
The laser being developed is used to paint the target, period.
IT’s 10 missiles and a tracking station. Hardley a global system.
“…this laser hasn’t even yet been deployed or even developed for testing purposes.BTW flying in a plane doesn’t make you a pilot….nor does it make you an expert on missile defense.”
Posted by: BFAH | June 06, 2007 at 01:17 PM
Cripes BFAH, the Laser Aircraft has been in the inventory over thirty years.
And pilots don’t fire beam weapons, the designated Weapons System Officers do. Get it? :)
First of all Nathan, I never said that it was a total waste – I said that system had not been proven functional and it would be a WASTE of money to deploy BEFORE testing wa complete.
Second, the latest failure was May 25, 2007 – hardly ancient history.
“The worst that article said was that they were unsure.”
When automakers do that, they get sued by the DOT.
Shouldn’t we expect as much when spending billions of taxpayer dollars?
read your own article repub…what about the wavelength thingy???
sol,
It’s not the number it’s the cost.
just like for war or sex,
it’s not the size of the weapon, it’s the ferocity of the attack.
Amazing stuff, BFAH who has never served in the Air Force, suddenly becomes an expert on Airborne Laser Defense Systems.
Perhaps you can visit the Missile Defense Command BFAH in order to get up to speed on defense technology.
repub,
wtf does my serving in the air force have to do with anything? I’ve also never climbed Mt. Everest, but I know it’s cold and the air is thin.
It’s called “civilian oversight”
repub,
wtf does my serving in the air force have to do with anything? I’ve also never climbed Mt. Everest, but I know it’s cold and the air is thin.
It’s called “civilian oversight”
Second, the latest failure was May 25, 2007 -Posted by: WSClark | June 06, 2007 at 01:31 PM
The failure was due to the target, not the interceptor.
First of all, I never said I agree with what that article said.
I have been asking for either BFAH or WS Clark to provide anything actually proving what you have been saying about trackers.
Have you given up on that yet?
The system is being deployed in small numbers.
It is being put into place to at least attempt to provide some type of defense against the threat now, not 10-20 years from now when it is perfect.
So far, I have read many glowing reports on the successes of the system.
I have given you ample links showing this.
Also, the latest test, which you keep bringing up was not a failure. It was a non-test.The scenario failed, not the actual interceptor.
I wouldn’t expect you to be honest about that little tid bit though.
wtf does my serving in the air force have to do with anything? I’ve also never climbed Mt. Everest, but I know it’s cold and the air is thin.It’s called “civilian oversight”Posted by: BFAH | June 06, 2007 at 01:36 PM
Oh, so I can use that defense(pardon the pun) when talking about Global Warming then BFAH?
Thanks for the insight into your way of thinking.
“Have you given up on that yet?”
What is the point, Nathan? When presented with evidence, the right wing discounts either the source, the author or the facts.
Why bother?
I provided evidence. You have stated opinion.
It is like trying to debate ID and Creationism with you. We provide links and evidence – you attack.
When we ask for your evidence, you disappear.
What is the point?
There are 1,250,000 hits when Googling “missile defense testing.”
Do you want all the links?
Missiles are always easier to shoot down when you know they are launched, where they are headed, you already have planes in the air, and the missiles have tracking devices on them. In the real world it isn’t so easy but why mess when reality when we can shovel billions of dollars in corporate welfare for a totally useless program.
WSClark,Nathan too has provided links. But to you they are opinions. OK, so does that make your links opinions too?
BTW, here are a few more…
MAY 07 AIRBORNE LASER SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETES HIGH-SPEED TRACKING TEST26 APR 07 SUCCESSFUL SEA-BASED MISSILE DEFENSE “HIT TO KILL” INTERCEPT6 APR 07 SUCCESSFUL MISSILE DEFENSE INTERCEPT TEST TAKES PLACE OFF HAWAII4 APR 07 STANDARD MISSILE-3 (SM-3) MANEUVERING SYSTEM SUCCESSFULLY TESTED26 MAR 07 U.S./ISRAEL COMPLETE SUCCESSFUL ARROW MISSILE DEFENSE TEST
Doug,We have satellites that can tell when a factory in Russia fires up. Bet your ass we can see the heat bloom of a launch.
Shortly after the launch, the trajectory can be determined. We proved that pretty well in the first gulf war.
WS Clark,
It is rather simple. You said that every test involved a “tracker.”
You have not provided one link which supports this.
Not one.
Not even one I can disagree with.
You did provide a link from a left wing commentator talking about one test which is still unclear at best what the proof was to say that it was the use of the tracker which allowed for a success.
It is not that I am going to attack anything you post.
It is that you post lies and vainly attempt to back them up when called on it.
Don’t cry about it. Just admit you made a mistake.
WSClark seems to think using outdated sources of failed missile tests shows objectivity.
The only thing it shows is that WSClark clicks on the first Google link he finds and declares it as fact even though it is completely irrelevant.
WSClark will never admit he is wrong , even he went to White Sands New Mexico and attends a missile test where missiles are actually shot down.
Even then, WSClark would say it was a hoax like Neil Armstrong on the moon. Some sort of studio trickery eh WSClark?
And China can shoot a missile at a satellite then where’s your precious system? How long does it take for a missile to be launched and hit it’s target? Is it greater than the amount of time it takes pilots to get in their plane, get airborne then fly to the correct spot to intercept the missile?
Don’t cry about it. Just admit you made a mistake.Posted by: Nathan | June 06, 2007 at 01:47 PM
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
Ask WS about monkeys
HAHAHAHAHHA
WS made a mistake — and you want him to admit it
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
Doug,
And Godzilla can come out of the water near Japan and…and…and…
Yeah. We have one satellite covering the entire region. Every hear the terms triple redundant and SAC NORAD mentioned in the same sentence?
My precious system?
Wow, I just took over for SAC NORAD. Thanx Doug, but I doubt that it was yours to give away.
Airborne Surveillance Doug is a 24/7 job.
Detections systems are abundantly redundant.
Where have you been the last thirty years Doug? Were you asleep during the Cold War, the Gulf War I and Kosovo?
And China only has one missile. You still haven’t dealt with the scenario.
Republican, are you claiming there are hundreds of airborne laser systems flying all over the United States 24/7? That’s interesting news, where did you dream that up? I see as with creationism you can’t support any of your claims.
Doug,
Hence why we are building Ship Based interceptor systems, Ground Based systems, and Air Based Systems.
All working together to intercept a threat.
Here’s on for Nathan….
http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/na.cgi?nationalupdates/041222missile
While some BMD tests have been successful, a Los Angeles Times editorial recently insisted that: “the only tests that have succeeded were rigged; the missiles being intercepted were equipped with homing devices, something a real attacker probably wouldn’t be considerate enough to include.”
And some more…..
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2006/09/08_krieger_questions.htm
First, if the system works so well, why did it have to be postponed due to bad weather the previous day? Will the system work only in good weather? Will cloud cover make the system ineffective?
Even more……
http://www.claremont.org/projects/pageid.1877/default.asp
Moreover, such arrangements require that the homing mechanism that guides the interceptors also be able to discriminate between warheads and decoys. Homing devices are inherently unsuited for this. As long as we stick with this way of doing things, we will be trying to make homing devices smarter than they can be, and we will be making certain satellites dumber than they could and should be.
There are 109,000 hits on “missile defense homing devices.”
Do you want links to all of them?
Oh no. They say he’s got to go. Oh no.Godzilla!Oh no. There goes Toyko. Oh no.Godzilla!
Those would be more reliable than an air defense system but the neo-nutcons want to spend billions on the program anyway although it isn’t feasible. Perhaps the Republicans will be fiscally responsible someday instead of just being a check writer for the military industrial complex.
Repub,
You can say whatever you want, regardless of your background or education…the only things they do for you is give you some credibility and perhaps some understanding…even educated people can be completely wrong…
like RE Lee at Gettysburglike H. Hoover about the depression
You have to be right to be right…having a degree or education or experience doesn’t = being right.
China or Russia could just install a $10 scrambling system in their missiles and thwart a multi-billion dollar missile defense system. I may be wrong, it may cost them about $5.
Doug,
Do you really think that our defense systems are blue printed and handed to the world to see?
Do I pretend to know all of the assets that we have? Not even close. Do you think you are the very first kid on your block to think of a missile shooting down a satellite. You didn’t even hit on the really cool one – Killer satellites. Those are really neat and shiny. Think no one else knows about that?
Doug, I simply cannot believe you are that naive about defense systems. Are you drunk today or what?
Ever hear of AWACS, AEGIS Cruisers, Radar Bases(U.S. and Allies), listening posts, Satellites, intel?
One AWAC’s can track tens of thousands of kilometers on multiple targets. It’s what they do. Visit Tinker AFB, OK, you can see them sitting on the tarmac.
They also have them in many other countries as well, including Saudi Arabia.
Defense detection systems, don’t stop at the border of the U.S., they are world wide.
Are the Lock Stepping Liberal Surrender Monkeys all on drugs today?
No wonder they have no faith in the Military, they are absolutely clueless about it.
“It is not that I am going to attack anything you post.”
Bullshit Nathan. If I posted that it was windy outside today, you would post that Oklahoma sucked and demand that I provide “proof” that it was actually the wind.
When I posted a link to the weather – you would attack the credibility of the weatherman.
What is the point?
wagingpeace.org??Do you people get a secret handbook of all the Lib sites?
Does the leash hurt your nose?
You are quite wrong Doug. Of course my horse.
Wait wait wait, you are trying to defend WSClark’s theory that the only way to track an ICBM is by its trusty dusty tracking device. Try treading a few more of the posts by Nathan and Repub.
One trick pony ?
“Are the Lock Stepping Liberal Surrender Monkeys…”
To save time, we should go to:LSLSM
You are welcome.
Republican, are you ignorant of the fact that your missile defense system tests have failed on numerous occasions? The missile system in Alaska was put out of service because of rain, yet this is one of your useful projects to rely upon. As long as the sky is clear, the weather is good, the enemies have tracking devices on their missiles and we are in exactly the correct place at the right time will your huge wasteful corporate welfare defense system will work.
It’s typical with Republicans, just keep on throwing money at something and with faith it may work on occasion.
Republican, are you ignorant of the fact that your missile defense system…Posted by: Doug | June 06, 2007 at 02:07 PM
CONGRATULATIONS Repub !!!! You just got handed the MDS.
Now, if I own SAC NORAD, does that mean you report to me now?
“Do you people get a secret handbook of all the Lib sites?”
I posted…….
“When presented with evidence, the right wing discounts either the source, the author or the facts.”
That link was deliberate to see how long it took – obviously you didn’t READ anything that I posted, you just dismissed the source.
By the way, Fleet, I noticed that you didn’t attack the Christian link. Why not, after all they are CANADIAN?
An opinion paper from around 2002 with a dead link to an LA times editorial…
An opinion paper from a supporter of Nuclear Weapons Disarmament with no facts about trackers…
And another dead link…
Oh yeah WS Clark,
I have no choice but to say your links are about as worthless as they come.
You said that there is a tracker in all the tests.
Now prove it already or just admit you were wrong.
Be a man.
Republank,
“Oh and BFAH, it can shoot through all kinds of weather. Distortion and deflection mainly affects small wattage lasers.”
Then why bother measuring “ATMOSPHERIC TURBULENCE”, at “altitudes above the clouds”? Why put 39,000 pounds in a 747, to “operate at altitudes above the clouds”?
Republank’s link’Deadly aim: Airborne Laser fires *TRACKING* laser, hits target’http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123045601“and used the NC-135E “Big Crow” test aircraft to verify the ABL’s ability to track an airborne target and measure ATMOSPHERIC TURBULENCE….The COIL is composed of six interconnected modules… Each module weighs about 6,500 pounds… When fired through a window in the aircraft’s nose turret, it …”
Maybe Republank will steal a nic, and add a false paragraph to some copy/paste. Like he did before.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282
Troubling Questions About Missile Defense by David Krieger … – 10:49amSecond, did the Missile Defense Agency include a homing device in the dummy warhead, as it has frequently done in the past, to help guide the interceptor …www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2006/09/08_krieger_questions.htm – 13k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisDefense Tech: Missile Defense Scores … Finally – 10:48amTHAAD was the first missile defense system to be called a “rush to failure” (but apparently not … This test involved radar, so there was no homing device. …www.defensetech.org/archives/002579.html – 34k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisThe Claremont Institute – The Way to Missile Defense – 10:52amYet before America can have a missile defense the Bush administration must fix the mess of … Homing devices are inherently unsuited for this. …www.claremont.org/projects/pageid.1877/default.asp – 16k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisOnline NewsHour: On the Mark — July 16, 2001After a background report, a panel discusses the latest missile defense test. …. did the interceptor, the kill vehicle, have in homing in on the target? …www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec01/nmd_7-16.html – 46k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisMissile Defense Milestones – 10:51amRemotely controlled, and equipped with homing devices designed to be attracted to sound, … The re-oriented missile defense system was renamed Safeguard. …www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/milestone.htm – 47k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisWorld Association of International Studies » Blog Archive » on … – 10:54aminterceptor missile to its target? Homing devices in the target dummy warheads have made the missile defense tests seem a lot more successful …cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/index.php?p=5283 – 53k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisNuclear Files: Educators: Study Questions: Missile Defense, Study …People feared that a missile defense system would increase the … There was also a homing device on the first test which helped it identify its target. …www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/educators/study-questions/missile-defense_study-questions.htm – 20k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisFrom Missile Defense to a Space Arms Race? (washingtonpost.com)The Pentagon is using national missile defense “as a wedge to accelerate our …. launched from an F-15 fighter, consisted of a miniature homing device on a …www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2000/A64231-2000Dec29.htm – 18k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this[PDF]NPR 9.2: A Japanese Perspective on Missile Defense and Strategic …File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobatduction of the system’s infrared homing device. It was. reported in February 2001 that the … of both into a unified “layered” ballistic missile defense …cns.miis.edu/pubs/npr/vol09/92/92jimbo.pdf – Similar pages – Note thisMissile defense revival polarizes Christians – 10:55amThe Missile Defense Agency announced that a planned flight test, costing $85 million, … the missiles being intercepted were equipped with homing devices, …www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/na.cgi?nationalupdates/041222missile – 30k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this
Digg – Missile Defense Shield Test Aced As Dummy Target HitThe Pentagon’s Missile Defense Agency shot down a dummy target missile over …… This test did not include a homing device. The test which was done last …digg.com/world_news/Missile_Defense_Shield_Test_Aced_As_Dummy_Target_Hit – 167k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisMissileThreat :: Glossary for Missile Defense“ABM” is especially used to refer to the Russian missile defense system, … weapons: High-speed projectiles that are non-explosive; may have homing devices …www.missilethreat.com/overview/pageID.267/default.asp – 23k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisReasons to Oppose Star Wars, #2: Missile Defense Does Not Work And …The history of missile defense tests is a history of failure. … System inside the mock warhead served as a homing device to guide the interceptor to it.2 …www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/reasons-to-oppose-star-wars-2 – 21k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisOgawa – TMD and Northeast Asian SecurityThe rationale for Theater Missile Defense (TMD) in East Asia is to ensure military ….. and nose cone – and trial production of infrared homing device. …nautilus.org/archives/nukepolicy/TMD-Conference/ogawapaper.html – 26k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisStrategic Defense Initiative: Information from Answers.comThe SDIO was then replaced by the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (BMDO). ….. Further, if there ever were to be homing devices in larger rail gun …www.answers.com/topic/strategic-defense-initiative – 150k – Jun 4, 2007 – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisMissile Defense–NMD, TMD, EMD …The infrared homing device of the hit-to-kill seeker (or any other infrared viewer) … We simply pointed out that the particular missile defense under …www.fas.org/rlg/010301-aspen.htm – 26k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisDual Mode (MWIR AND LADAR) Seeker for Missile DefenseMISSILE DEFENSE, WEAPON SYSTEMS, OPTICAL RADAR, HOMING DEVICES, HYBRID PROPULSION, INFRARED RADIATION, TARGET ACQUISITION, DETECTION, FOCAL PLANE DEVICES, …adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002STIN…0312759D – Similar pages – Note thisOptics in ballistic missile defense /BMD/ATMOSPHERIC OPTICS, BALLISTIC MISSILES, INFRARED TRACKING, MISSILE DEFENSE, OPTICAL TRACKING, HOMING DEVICES, INFRARED DETECTORS, MISSILE TRACKING …adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1982SPIE..317….2D – Similar pages – Note thisPeople’s Daily Online — U.S. seeks less costly missile defense …Raytheon was proposing a ground-based missile defense system that uses microwaves to scramble the homing devices in shoulder- fired missiles, causing them …english.people.com.cn/200611/01/eng20061101_317097.html – 27k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisNational Missile Defence: 16 Jan 2002: Westminster Hall debates …Missile defence would appear to be a technological miracle that requires a homing device in the target, decoys on the right side of the rocket and fine …www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2002-01-16.133.0&s=speaker%3A10339 – 45k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this
Want some more?
“CONGRATULATIONS Repub !!!! You just got handed the MDS.”
Woot! I can die in peace now, er Sir.
(reports to the new Defense Chief SolDevVB with a sharp salute.)
Strategic Defense Initiative – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia – 8:13amSDI is unique from the earlier U.S. and Soviet missile defense efforts. … 4 m (13 ft) diameter web deployed by Homing Overlay Experiment …en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative – 100k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this[PDF]Missile Defense: Does the Threat Merit the Cost?File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTMLThe U.S. ballistic missile defense system now being developed is intended …. homing device is placed on the incoming missile to help the interceptor find …lexingtoninstitute.org/docs/missile_defense.pdf – Similar pages – Note thisDevice for self-defense against missiles – US Patent 5662291Missile defense system according to claim 1 wherein said intercepting rocket has a homing head which, in the semi-active steering method, is aimed before …www.patentstorm.us/patents/5662291-claims.html – 22k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisPajamas Media: STAR WARS REDUX: Democrats to Gut Missile Defense …Democrats in Congress have learned not to treat homeland missile defense with …… you say? what about that last one? they put a homing device in the bird …pajamasmedia.com/2006/12/star_wars_reduxdemocrats_to_gu.php – 350k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisSoftware Horror Stories… homing device and allowed the missile to reach its target, namely the Sheffield. From “The development of software for ballistic-missile defense,” by H. …www.cs.tau.ac.il/~nachumd/horror.html – 37k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this[PDF]MDA GlossaryFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobatnon-nuclear, low to medium altitude air defense coverage for ground. forces. Designated as MIM-23. Homing Device. A device, mounted on a missile, …www.mda.mil/mdalink/pdf/glossary.pdf – Similar pages – Note this8/18/2004The targets were often equipped with homing devices that provided … IGNORING TERRORISM: The president said yesterday his missile defense program showed he …www.americanprogressaction.org/progressreport/2004/08/pr_2004-08-18.html – 33k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this[PDF]Raketenabwehrforschung InternationalFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTMLSo Rumsfeld himself admits that he is not an expert on missile defense; ….. Another strategy involved putting a homing device on the target missile and …www.hsfk.de/abm/forum/pdfs/mitchnmd.pdf – Similar pages – Note this[PDF]1033 Baucom PgsFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTMLArmy focused missile defense on. exoatmospheric hit-to-kill interceptors. Work on this program culminated in. 1984, when a homing overlay experi- …www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/jfq_pubs/1033.pdf – Similar pages – Note thisINDIAN MISSILE DEFENCE & CASSANDRA-SAHDEV CURSEThus Vajpayee’s surprising support of the Bush ABM defense plan did not bring … come when the incoming missile had a homing device the ABM could lock on, …www.saag.org/papers10/paper955.html – 22k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this
Fantastic WSClark!
You managed to post all about Missile Defense without referencing one DoD Website!
How does he do it?
LSLSM :D
“Be a man.”
Here you go, Nathan, read some more instead of hanging out at your church and being brainwashed.
MissileThreat :: Chronology of Missile DefenseRemotely controlled, and equipped with homing devices designed to be attracted to …. One study would assess the state of missile defense technology and …www.missilethreat.com/overview/pageID.265/default.asp – 120k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisDefenseLink News Transcript: DoD News Briefing with Lt. Gen …As you know, we had a test today of the ground-based missile defense system. ….. of course, a homing device — meaning that there’s some type of beacon …www.defenselink.mil/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=3710 – 109k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisBringing Out the Big Guns – FeatureThe U.S. is ready to deploy their National Missile Defense System but …. and that missile, it was later reported, had a homing device attached to it. …www.thevarsity.ca/news/2001/09/10/Feature/Bringing.Out.The.Big.Guns-91387.shtml – 42k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisJapan Today – News – U.S., Japan begin talks on developing missile …can give tips to Japan on how to hide a homing device on the target drone for the test … I want to see a Hello Kitty Missile Defense product line first. …www.japantoday.com/jp/news/327106 – 78k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this[PDF]New Challenges in Missile Proliferation, Missile Defense, and …File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTMLmissile defense in the context of a rising U.S. federal defi- …… jam the homing device of the ASAT interceptor. Spoof- …cns.miis.edu/pubs/opapers/op12/op12.pdf – Similar pages – Note thisDevice for self-defense against missiles – Patent 5662291While missiles with optical homing heads can be combated both with …. In another embodiment, the proposed device for missile self-defense also has a …www.freepatentsonline.com/5662291.html – 34k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisAlexa McDonough – Member of Parliament for HalifaxWe said missile defence leads to the weaponization of space. … (apart from ones in which the incoming missile is painted with essentially a homing device) …www.alexahfx.ca/index.cfm?p=documents%5Cdoc.cfm&did=8 – 11k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this[PDF]Missile defense for airliners finds growing support in United …File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobatdevices for commercial aircraft. Assessing the threat … Missile Defense for Airliners Finds. Growing Support in United States …ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/6/27450/01222040.pdf – Similar pages – Note thisRudolph’s safe flying over US air space – Opinion – http://www.smh.com.auAnd – brace yourself – there’s also no missile defence system that can shoot … Koreans or the Chinese won’t be putting homing devices on their missiles. …www.smh.com.au/news/Opinion/Rudolphs-safe-flying-over-US-air-space/2004/12/19/1103391635124.html – Similar pages – Note thisAugust 27, 2004 – Ceasefire.caOpposition to Canada joining missile defence has crossed party lines, … that it has conducted tests where targets were fitted out with homing devices! …www.ceasefire.ca/site/c.afLJJWOuHkE/b.1070149/k.43CA/August_27_2004.htm – 19k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this
Ah I see now, if you can’t prove your point, spam the blog with useless links.
I get ya now WSClark…
LSLSM :D
Be a man, Nathan? Be a man and admit that you hate about 50% of the American population and you, like Coulter, Hannity and Limbaugh would like us all dead.
You claim to defend freedom, but it is only freedom for Christians that agree with your right wing agenda….
Read these links, hot shot.
MissileThreat :: Chronology of Missile DefenseRemotely controlled, and equipped with homing devices designed to be attracted to …. One study would assess the state of missile defense technology and …www.missilethreat.com/overview/pageID.265/default.asp – 120k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisDefenseLink News Transcript: DoD News Briefing with Lt. Gen …As you know, we had a test today of the ground-based missile defense system. ….. of course, a homing device — meaning that there’s some type of beacon …www.defenselink.mil/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=3710 – 109k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisBringing Out the Big Guns – FeatureThe U.S. is ready to deploy their National Missile Defense System but …. and that missile, it was later reported, had a homing device attached to it. …www.thevarsity.ca/news/2001/09/10/Feature/Bringing.Out.The.Big.Guns-91387.shtml – 42k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisJapan Today – News – U.S., Japan begin talks on developing missile …can give tips to Japan on how to hide a homing device on the target drone for the test … I want to see a Hello Kitty Missile Defense product line first. …www.japantoday.com/jp/news/327106 – 78k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this[PDF]New Challenges in Missile Proliferation, Missile Defense, and …File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTMLmissile defense in the context of a rising U.S. federal defi- …… jam the homing device of the ASAT interceptor. Spoof- …cns.miis.edu/pubs/opapers/op12/op12.pdf – Similar pages – Note thisDevice for self-defense against missiles – Patent 5662291While missiles with optical homing heads can be combated both with …. In another embodiment, the proposed device for missile self-defense also has a …www.freepatentsonline.com/5662291.html – 34k – Cached – Similar pages – Note thisAlexa McDonough – Member of Parliament for HalifaxWe said missile defence leads to the weaponization of space. … (apart from ones in which the incoming missile is painted with essentially a homing device) …www.alexahfx.ca/index.cfm?p=documents%5Cdoc.cfm&did=8 – 11k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this[PDF]Missile defense for airliners finds growing support in United …File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobatdevices for commercial aircraft. Assessing the threat … Missile Defense for Airliners Finds. Growing Support in United States …ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/6/27450/01222040.pdf – Similar pages – Note thisRudolph’s safe flying over US air space – Opinion – http://www.smh.com.auAnd – brace yourself – there’s also no missile defence system that can shoot … Koreans or the Chinese won’t be putting homing devices on their missiles. …www.smh.com.au/news/Opinion/Rudolphs-safe-flying-over-US-air-space/2004/12/19/1103391635124.html – Similar pages – Note thisAugust 27, 2004 – Ceasefire.caOpposition to Canada joining missile defence has crossed party lines, … that it has conducted tests where targets were fitted out with homing devices! …www.ceasefire.ca/site/c.afLJJWOuHkE/b.1070149/k.43CA/August_27_2004.htm – 19k – Cached – Similar pages – Note this
More spam from the LSLSM WSClark.
I hope he gets the CAPCHA popup of death. :D
Walk on by………….
Maybe we need to add a few to the list. Nominees?
WS Clark,
Interesting tactic.
Instead of providing ONE single shred of evidence to show that there have been trackers in all the tests which have been used to make them a success you resort to posting as many pointless links as you can.
If you couldn’t even find one link, what is spamming us with a million of them going to do?
Be a man.
Go ahead WSClark add all that prove you wrong. Add everyone to the list that corrects your fallacies and ignorant rants.
Once again the libs present the facts and the neo-cons whine, cry and deny. It must annoy you Republicans that the liberals are right on every issue.
Doug,
If you could read the “facts” from that spam, then I congratulate you.
Especially for as quick as you posted, I doubly congratulate you!
D of D links? Didn’t the D of D say that the War on Iraq would last isx days, six weeks, certainly not six months?
These are the guys that run Walter Reed?
These are the guys that sent our troops into battle without adequate body armor and protection for Humvees?
Yeah, now those folks have TONS of credibility.
Sorry, I never found their “SITE OF ABSOLUTE TRUTHS.”
“Once again the libs present the facts and the neo-cons whine, cry and deny. It must annoy you Republicans that the liberals are right on every issue.”Posted by: Doug | June 06, 2007 at 02:22 PM
Doug must have gotten that from maggotpunks dot com under the fallacious contrived facts section.
Again I’ll ask you, what’s not factual on the maggotpunk website? You often make claims but seldom support them.
WSClark, I think I hear Putin calling you. He needs a bed buddy and I think you just the right “teddy bear” he is looking for. One that will spew his propaganda worldwide. After all, you are doing it for free, might as well get some benefit from it. :)
“Be a man.”
As I said, small-minded little boy, there are 109,000 hits on “missile defense homing devices” alone. Do your own freakin’ research if you don’t like mine, but don’t attack me if you can’t look it up for yourself.
Find a link that states without equivocation that the test “incoming” missiles DID NOT have homing devices.
WS Clark,
Be a Man.
One link. Not spam. Just one.
Lets see it.
Methinks clark is going to blow. Would that make him a blowing monkey?
Republank,
Why don’t you prove YOUR claim,
“Oh and BFAH, it can shoot through all kinds of weather. Distortion and deflection mainly affects small wattage lasers.”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/bush_has_some_r.html#comment-71926972
Walk on by……………………..
Here’s a few with links that ACTUALLY WORK !!!!
Successful Intercept Claimed In US Missile Defense Test
by Staff WritersWashington (AFP) April 27, 2007A US Navy Aegis cruiser simultaneously intercepted a ballistic missile and a cruise missile in a test over the Pacific, a Pentagon spokesman said Friday.”The test demonstrated the USS Lake Erie’s ability to engage a ballistic missile threat and defend itself from attack at the same time,” the Pentagon’s Missile Defense Agency said on Thursday.http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Successful_Intercept_Claimed_In_US_Missile_Defense_Test_999.html
MDA reports that the SM-3 Block 1A successfully intercepted a medium-range target with a separating warhead at an altitude of just over 100 miles.http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1115/finally-some-good-news-for-mda
FLIGHT MISSION 4 MISSILE TEST SUCCESSFUL
The Missile Defense Agency (MDA) and the U.S. Navy announced today a successful flight test in the continuing development of the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) element of the Ballistic Missile Defense System
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=3553
Boeing Supports Successful Intercept Test of Aegis Ballistic Missile DefenseST. LOUIS, April 26, 2007 — Boeing [NYSE: BA] played a key role in today’s eighth successful intercept of a ballistic missile target by the Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) and the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) Weapon System.http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q2/070426g_nr.html
APL Contributions Aid Missile Defense Flight TestToday’s successful Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) intercept test was due, in part, to the critical engineering and technical direction provided by the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL), in Laurel, Md. This milestone event marks the first demonstration of the Aegis BMD weapon system BMD 3.0 and the Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) Block I. As a result of this successful test, Aegis BMD capability is technically ready to respond to short-notice operational tasking to support contingency ballistic missile defense operations, if required.http://www.jhuapl.edu/newscenter/pressreleases/2005/050224.asp
Clark is blowing a money? What did you say?
“Be a Man.”
I gave you one – now provide a link that states without equivocation that they DID NOT have homing devices.
Your turn little boy – step up and be a real man.
Monkey*
Well Doug, first off you don’t know the difference from ambiguity and fact. After that, your Website goes down hill into an abyss of twisted logic and spurious source material.
Other than that, it’s it good Website for Parental Control to block. :D
LSLSM :D
WS Clark,
You have yet to give one link which says what you claimed about trackers involved in every tests success.
Here you go:
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123026360
As I expected Republican, you failed to support your claim. Looks like you have proven yourself the liar once again.
Why don’t you prove YOUR claim,”Oh and BFAH, it can shoot through all kinds of weather. Distortion and deflection mainly affects small wattage lasers.”http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/bush_has_some_r.html#comment-71926972Posted by: cosmos | June 06, 2007 at 02:28 PM
Sure Cosmos, let me know when the next big rain or snow storm is and also your address.
If you are still alive after the test form the megawatt Laser, then I was wrong. If not then…
Adios :D
LSLSM :D
Doug,
Do you serve any purpose here other than being WS Clarks butt boy?
RUPUBLICAN DAMN IT !!!!
You JUST got the BMD and you’re going to get it taken away !!!!
Doug, your Website is not even third rate. It doesn’t even deserve a rating.
It is an accumulation of Lock Step Liberal Surrender Monkey Trash Sourcing Garbage Infested With Words of Maggot Infested Rotted Waste of Democritic Flesh.
LSLSM :D
And yet Republican, you are still a liar. Can you point out the factual inaccuracies on the website? No, otherwise you would have. You are just upset because everything is true and you hate it when inconvenient facts are placed there for the world to read.
Repub- You silly rabbit.
Should be:LSLSMTSGIWWMIRWDF.
We’re saving time now!
“Do you serve any purpose here other than being WS Clarks butt boy?”
Yep, Nathan is one fine Christian young man, a credit to his religion and a credit to his country.
Why, if the boy had half a chance, he could kill off all the liberals and perverts in just a few weeks.
Nice CHRISTIAN thing to say, Nathan. Did you learn that at Sunday School or Vacation Bible School?
Hypocrite.
(Notice that I spelled it correctly, Nathan.)
doug = wsc’sbb
“inconvenient facts”
Goracle’s butt boy too? Man how do you sit down at night?
I should have expected as much. Let me leave for a few hours and when I come back from work I’m sure the inaccuracies of the Maggot Punk website will be exposed, just like all the scientific evidence for creationism will be presented. It’s so amusing to see the neo-cons frustrated when they can handle the facts.
Or do both of you go to Spirit One and are upset that the Maggot Punks got them investigated by the IRS?
You ever notice how Doug and Cosmos have similar writing styles? Maybe they are twins or better yet they are in Lock Step one behind the other. :D
LSLSM :D
Let’s make this real simple.
Your mommy gave you $1.00. You go to Wal-Mart to buy some candy. There you meet a kindly old republican who says if you give him $0.90 h will give you some really swell candy tomorrow, but he needs to go home and make it..it might take him a week or so to get it to you….maybe longer. Do you:
1) give the kindly old republican your $0.90 and wait patiently while you chew the 1/2 a gumball you could buy
2) give the kindly old republican nothing
3) give the kindly old republican maybe $0.20 and tell him that you’ll give him more after you gt to try out his candy. You then use the remaining $0.80 to buy some “standard” candy like “bullets” and “warheads”
Does that make what I think the general “liberal” position more clear?
“Nice CHRISTIAN thing to say, Nathan.”
Being a Christian doesn’t have to mean you are a pussy.
That would make you a pussy monkey. (Yank me off a piece of that) Yowza!
oops take out the “tomorrow”
Nice CHRISTIAN thing to say, Nathan. Did you learn that at Sunday School or Vacation Bible School?
Hypocrite.
(Notice that I spelled it correctly, Nathan.)
Posted by: WSClark | June 06, 2007 at 02:40 PM
As if WSClark put any value into what Christians believe and don’t believe.
WSClark is a Christ denier.
LSLSM :D
BFAH, I think you need to get checked for peripherial artery disease. Those analogies belong in Marvel Comics, not on a Blog discussion.
LSLSM :D
Fleet,You’re gonna fu@kin get me FIRED. I laugh so damn hard I about fell out of my chair. Cheers mate. Keep em comin.
I know that this not satisfy the hyper-accurate Nathan Price, but maybe someone could actually read a link before they started throwing homosexual references around.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/3800/national_missile_defense.html?breadcrumb=%2Fpublication%2Fpublication_list%3Ftype%3Dtestimony%26page%3D5
“WSClark is a Christ denier.”
Jeez, one of the right wingers finally got something right.
Yes, I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN.
Sue me.
republican,
I think maybe that steel plate in your head put there after you fell out of the bunk at boot camp while having a wet dream is putting too much pressure on what remains of your brain.
Don’t let them use an NMR on you …it’ll fry the remaining living tissue up there ;-)
Actually BFAH, I prefer titanium, but thanks for asking. :D
LSLSM :D
National Missile Defense: Test Failure and Technology Development
Author:Lawrence J. Korb
September 8, 2000
Note the date clueless Clark.
What else you got? Is that it? An outdated post?
Please Clark tell me that isn’t all you got.
LSLSM :D
WS, once again,
September 8, 2000
Funny, I posted a 2007 report to Congress…nobody seems to mention that link…
Keep thinking about Winston Churchill and Lady Astor at that party where she said to him
“Mr. Churchill, if I were married to you I’d put poison in your tea”
to which he responded
“Madam, if I were married to you I’d drink it”
thank go all of these bozos are male (I hope) !!
“…while having a wet dream”
Clarisse- Have the lambs stopped having wet dreams?
BFAH, I think you’re getting Ben’s typo affliction! :D
Republank,
Thank you for your reply re your false claim about the Airborne Laser.
Ape Hater,
Scrolled half way up the thread and didn’t see it. Kindly re-post?
And while you’re there, take a look at some of the successful test links.
Bet the light bulb wasn’t perfect on the first try either. Must have been a republican thing huh?
“Being a Christian doesn’t have to mean you are a pussy.”
Christian – a follower of Christ, one that endeavours to conduct him or herself in the manner of Jesus the Christ.
Hmmmmmmmmmm……….
I missed the passages from the Gospels where Jesus made homosexual references about his enemies.
Can you help me out there, Fleet? When did Jesus make such an accusation?
“Bet the light bulb wasn’t perfect on the first try either.”
The government didn’t spend billions deploying the light bulb before it had been proven functional, either.
“Thank you for your reply re your false claim about the Airborne Laser.”
Posted by: cosmos | June 06, 2007 at 03:08 PM
Okay Cosmos, the authority on megawatt GPS and Satellite guided Airborne Laser Aircraft -
Let’s hear why my claim is false.
This should be interesting since I was actually on the Air Borne Laser Lab in the 1980s. :D
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/abl/index.html
Were you looking for carbon footprint data?
WS Clark,
My comment probably wasn’t a very good representation of what a Christian should say.
So, I encourage you to not follow in my footsteps of calling your butt boy Doug, a butt boy.
cosmos = carbon monkey
DANG Nathan, you been hangin with Fleet? Good one, good one.
“So, I encourage you to not follow in my footsteps of calling your butt boy Doug, a butt boy.”
Yep, a real mature Christian type man that Nathan is – accusing adult men of being homosexual – that is what – sixth grade?
Yep, I understand now why you are still single at 29, Nathan.
Makes perfect sense – women do mature faster than men – maybe when you are sixty or seventy you will catch up.
Then again, maybe not.
I was holding out for your Granddaughter WS Clark.
When do I get to meet her?
“When do I get to meet her?”
She is seven, Price, you will not get a chance to meet her in this lifetime, pervert.
Besides, she has taste and intelligence.
You would hardly be her type.
“Can you help me out there, Fleet?”
Yes. I’ll hold the door for you.
Shucks…
I thought she was older.
Oh Well, I guess I can move on now.
Nathan, another faux-Christian, why am I not surprised.
What a bunch of hypocritical phonies.
And they wonder why people are fleeing Christianity in droves.
Duh!
My second wife hasn’t been born yet.
“1) give the kindly old republican your $0.90 and wait patiently while you chew the 1/2 a gumball you could buy
2) give the kindly old republican nothing
3) give the kindly old republican maybe $0.20 and tell him that you’ll give him more after you gt to try out his candy. You then use the remaining $0.80 to buy some “standard” candy like “bullets” and “warheads”"
None of the above. You kick his ass, take his wallet, then go over his house and bang his old lady, if she’s worth it:-)
WS Clark,
Christians are Christians because they follow Christ and believe in him.
It shouldn’t have anything to do with your opinion of who you think are “hypocritical phonies.”
Either you love and worship Christ or you don’t.
You obviously never did.
“bang his old lady, if she’s worth it:-)”
Bang him too.
Nathan,
Eleven? You better got goin son. You know us Republican/Conservatives just love to molest us some chillins. You’re holdin up the line boy, get a move on !!!!
Be surprised a liberal let a child live. No, wait, if his granddaughter has intelligence then her parents must be conservative.
oxy-moron,
“Let’s hear why my claim is false.”
http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123045601
My bad, he said seven, not eleven. You’ve got a year or two Nathan.
“You obviously never did.”
Yep, is there a point in there somewhere?
But, you lost me at the part where Jesus accused people of being homosexuals.
So, if you endeavor to be Christ-like, Nathan, how do you justify accusing others of being gay?
Easy question, right?
Like the one about what would you do to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.
And the one about scientific evidence of ID or Creationism.
And the one that supported your contention that there were no homing devices on the test “incoming missiles.”
Easy stuff, right?
For a smart boy like you, you should be able to prove your points in a matter of seconds, right?
Chump.
“if his granddaughter has intelligence then her parents must be conservative.”
Actually, her parents are as liberal or more so than I am.
Dumbass.
Thread bleed Monkey Boy
Republank,
“Thank you for your reply re your false claim about the Airborne Laser.”
Posted by: cosmos | June 06, 2007 at 03:08 PM
As I said before Cosmos, you made the assertion that my “Claim” whatever the heck that may be, is false.
You made the accusation, now prove it. Or is it that you can’t prove it and are just tap dancing in your usual generalist, non-committing way?
Tap Dancing Cosmos, the avoider of challenge. Okay Doug, whatever you say, go back to maggotpunks dot com and recoup.
LSLSM :D
The poster known as the Liberal Side Stepping Monkey Fister WSC is avoiding thread topic and missile defense discussion as he got his ass kicked unable to prove his assertions.
LSLSM – :D
Cosmos, just walk on by…….
Remember this past week when a new “blank” showed up and all he did was compliment Republank?
Any doubts as to who that was?
Well, if you ignore him, Republank will show up under a new nic and we can all try to guess until we figure it out.
I realize that it is not Grand Master chess or anything like that, but it sure is fun.
‘Mon! Let’s all ignore and see who he shows up as next!
Who will Republank be next?!?!?!?!
“For a smart boy like you, you should be able to prove your points in a matter of seconds, right?”
Mushroom cloud out of a pinhead Lib, coming up.
hehehehehehehehehe
Do you have an English translation for your post Fleet?
WSC (bawk, bawk bawk bawk bawk)
Truth Avoiding Lock Stepping Liberal Surrender Chicken Monkey
TALSLSCM – :D
Walk on by the trolls and nic-switchers……..
Just, walk on by……………………………
You gotta love it. The avowed Christian Nathan telling the non-Christian WS about loving and following Jesus as he degrades WS and his granddaughter…
Jesus especially loved children and was very emphatic about the consequences for those who abuse them, either physically, verbally, or emotionally.
Ye shall reap what ye sow….we can only hope.
That should be Chicken Choking Monkey.
Ummm That link posted by Clark… the Testimony might have been from 2000…. but ummm did you check the copyright on the WEB SITE??
“Copyright 2007 by the Council on Foreign Relations. All Rights Reserved.”
And for all of you “super christians” on here… With all of your “gay” bashing smears, SHAME on all of you… and you too Repub, for making fun of MY profession — acting like the true Gay Basher that you are!!
WSC – as she has taste and intelligence I have some grandsons who might like to meet her. They are 5 and 3 …
BFAH — You sure got that right!!
NOW, we just walk on by….
Yes Chas, you call it a profession, others in your occupation call it a duty to God and surrender all to him including their spiteful/slanted opinions.
“for making fun of MY profession”
What’s your profession?
My slanted opinion is that you should keep your Gay Bashing BS to yourselves, and leave it off of the Blog…. We dont need that kind of crap on here… And we dont need your kind of attitudes on here…
chas s- duh. the copyright is for the web site, not the page.
And as for what my profession does, or does not do, Repub, You would have NO CLUE, unless you are suddenly going to claim that you are ordained as something or other in addition to the rest of your wanna be list of your pedigree
Sol, do you think the web site, copyright 2007, is going to post something that is seven years outdated??? Especially when it is the CFR??
“Fleettwood,” “Nathan,” “SolDevVB, “Republican,” and others who regularly contribute rightwing memes to this forum constitute what I call “Tinkerbell Conservatives.”
Remember that scene in “Peter Pan.” “If you believe in fairies, clap your hands!!” And since most everyone in the audience is seven-years-old or younger, the whole audience claps and claps and claps their hands, full of faith that if they clap hard enough and clap loud enough — if they believe, only believe — everything will turn out okay, their sheer faith and will is gonna bring Tinkerbell back to life, and the world will be safe for fairies.
Bushies think if they clap their hands loud and hard and long enough Ronald Reagan’s Star Wars fantasy might work in the real world. Bushies hope against hope if they clap their hands loud and hard and long enough, George WMD Bush won’t be revealed to be the most incompetent Chief Executive in America’s history.
Back to this thread’s topic: there’s no one on the planet, except for the Tinkerbell Republicans who has any confidence whatsoever that George WMD Bush won’t screw up his encounter with Vladimir Putin. The same competence Shrub showed in reacting to the post-Katrina disaster; the same military genius that turned “Mission Accomplished” into an earth-tone Vietnam; the same personal integrity that turned the Department of Justice into the Department of GOP Politics; the same strategic mind who undermined CIA agents’ covert status out of pique…. is now going head-to-head with a skilled KGP apparatchik whose career survived and triumphed over the USSR, the Cold War, glasnost, parastroika, Mikhail Gorbachev, Boris Yeltsin, the Russian Mafia.
America is sending the Charlie Brown All-Stars up against the 1927 Yankees.
The Tinkerbell Republicans still think George WMD Bush might pull out a success. Ha! The Republic Party’s only post-Shrub hope is to keep him in Dick Cheney’s undisclosed location and hope he doesn’t try to achieve anything until the nation can be returned to adult supervision on January 20, 2009.
(Maybe trot him out every once in a while, like when he wanted the Memorial Day photo-op with the Widow of the Unknown Soldier.)
But that would indicate the Republic Party isn’t dependent now on the 28% of of Americans who think George WMD Bush is doing a good job: you know, the Tinkerbell Republicans.
(Maybe it’s a thing about fairies.)
WSClark,
I was just having fun pointing out that Republank’s claim “it can shoot through all kinds of weather” athttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/bush_has_some_r.html#comment-71920346
is contradicted by his own link in the same post. Note the flies “above the clouds”.
But it’s probably best to just walk on by…
Bush had a photo op with the widow of the “unknown soldier” Was SHE unknown too?? or was it just her husband who was unknown?? Is this another confused Bushism??
Yes Cosmos, evidently you haven’t heard of infrared or GPS aiming technology.
As I said before, there is a small bloom effect on low powered lasers, but with megawatts driving the laser of a unique gas driven design, one gets a focused and more accurate, predictable beam.
So that was my false claim Cosmos?
That’s all you got Cosmos? Please don’t tell me that’s all you have? You are wasting my time with your false assertions.
(sing to the chorus of Jimmy cracked corn….)
Listen to the bullshit fly, listen to the bullshit fly….
This thread has turned into a denial thread for Lock Stepping Liberal Surrender Monkeys. They bring up everything and anything now, because they have been soundly thrashed.
Hey BFAH, thanks for your sound advice the other day…
too bad you are not a follower of your own advice. Or is it too bad and you never really meant what you write?
Is that it? Your writings are meaningless?
Walk……………………………
republican,
a little sensitive, aren’t we? I never mentioned who the post was directed at…
but if you feel it applies to you, who am I to say it doesn’t?
Well BFAH, being as the previous five posters were your Liberal Democrat buddies that posted over a 300 second time period, I can deduce that proximity validates my response.
BFAH and WSClark,
He’s unable to understand that a lower power tracking laser is used to aim the megawatt class laser.
So all you can do is walk on by…
The time of my last post was 4:33…the one immediately prior 4:12…well longer than your 5 minute interval
cosmos….
kinda figured he was confusing the two…
Yeah… use the megawatt class laser to track it, and the kilowatt class laser to destroy it.
When is the last time you were on the Air Borne Laser Lab Cosmos?
…or are you just spewing more of your nonsense from op-ed pieces?
Here is a couple unclassified reports Cosmos.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HVngCThCqS4J:https://www.rdb.ethz.ch/projects/project_pdf.php%3Fproj_id%3D6120+gps+and+infrared+how+airborne+lasers+are+aimed&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a
High precise 3-D positioning is achieved by simultaneously operating at least one L1/L2-frequencyGPS receiver on the aircraft and several ground–based reference stations. The aircraft trajectory isdetermined through differential GPS carrier phase positioning. Since the baselines between thereference station and the aircraft can exceed 100km, the use of L1/L2-frequency receivers is anabsolute necessity. Tropospheric path delays, deduced from regional pressure, temperature andhumidity fields, must be implemented in the correction algorithms.
http://www.everett.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=424satelliteSpace Based Infrared System High (SBIRS High) — The Space Based Infrared System’s (SBIRS) primary mission is to provide initial warning of a ballistic missile attack on the United States, its deployed forces, or allies. As a follow-on to the nation’s Defense Support Program (DSP), SBIRS consolidates the national and DoD’s infrared detection systems into a single overarching architecture that fulfills the nation’s security needs in the areas of missile warning, missile defense, technical intelligence, and battlespace characterization. SBIRS enables continuous global surveillance, tracking, and targeting of multiple objects in multiple areas of responsibility, and surveillance of infrared sources of operational, intelligence, and national significance.
“The time of my last post was 4:33…the one immediately prior 4:12…well longer than your 5 minute interval” Posted by: BFAH | June 06, 2007 at 05:03 PM
It’s a wonder that you completed your PhD BFAH with your lack of attention to detail.
Posted by: solDevVB | June 06, 2007 at 04:22 PM———————————————Posted by: Chas. | June 06, 2007 at 04:23 PMPosted by: Chas. | June 06, 2007 at 04:24 PMPosted by: Long Time Poster, First Time Lurker | June 06, 2007 at 04:24 PMPosted by: cosmos | June 06, 2007 at 04:27 PMPosted by: Chas. | June 06, 2007 at 04:28 PM——————————————Posted by: Republican | June 06, 2007 at 04:31 PMPosted by: BFAH | June 06, 2007 at 04:33 PM
“Well BFAH, being as the previous five posters were your Liberal Democrat buddies that posted over a 300 second time period, I can deduce that proximity validates my response.”Posted by: Republican | June 06, 2007 at 04:55 PM
BFAH, please note the five Liberal Posters over the 300 second time period which are separated by Sol’s and my post.
I think you need to change your trifocals or something.
HEY!! Republican, you loud keyboard poster… WHEN have I EVER said that I am Liberal Democrat?? I do not EVER recall stating my political party on THIS or any other Blog…
When I DO list my party, or my general tendency, I usually get laughed off, so I dont even bother…
But, I AM NOT A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!! HOW DARE YOU OFFEND MY SENSIBILITY IN SUCH A MANNER!
I wasn’t aware of any sensibility to offend Chas. Turn the other cheek Chas, upper or lower – no matter.
republican,
Do you know how to do math??
33-12=21
It was 21 minutes between my post at 4:33 and my prior post…you see that’s LONGER than the 5 minutes you’re interested in…
In 21 minutes MORE posts would have been made than in 5 minutes. And of those posts not all would have been from liberal bloggers.
BFAH and WSClark,
It’s worse than I thought — he doesn’t understand the difference between the Airborne Laser, and other systems.
My “op-ed”,http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123045601
Walk on by…
wITH AN ATTITUDER LIKE THAT, IT’S NO WONDER NOBODY WANTS TO DEAL WITH YOU…
OK.. OK.. I’M WALKIN!!! I’M WALKIN..
ooops sorry bout the caps, keyboard freeze..
Instead of pointing to a link Cosmos, explain in detail how infrared satellites and GPS positioning technology is irrelevat to Airborne Laser system.
Or you can continue to be obtuse which everyone will recognize you as you are, a political hack of the Liberal Left GW Alarmist Eco-Terrorist.
Now, I’m curious… When is the last time YOU were on the Airborne Laser Lab, Republican?? I could have sworn you said it was sometime in the ’80’s earlier??
My God, pretty soon just walking won’t be enough….
I know… puttin on my runnin shoes now, Clark!! LOL
“Talking about the different classes of lasers the Airborne Laser weapon system will have, Dr. White, who was aboard the aircraft during the test flight, said, “We spent an intense four or five months of ground tests back at Wichita (Kansas), first installing and then thoroughly testing out the beam control system which involved two high-power illuminator lasers. We call it low-power system integration, but that is a relative term — relative to the ultimate weapon system, which is the COIL. ”
Perhaps Cosmos, these are the so-called low-powered illuminator lasers you are talking about?
They don’t use kilowatt based lasers illuminators anymore like we did in the 80s, it’s a multiple megawatt laser “painters.”
Oh geez, he talks about his experiences from 2 decades ago, and then complains about the relevancy of a posting from 7 years ago??
Hey BFAH can you read? I wrote”Well BFAH, being as the previous five posters were your Liberal Democrat buddies that posted over a 300 second time period…”
I’m sorry I should have wrote above “my post.”
But since you wouldn’t have been clever enough to assign that in a usable category of your spin, it most likely wouldn’t have helped.
I now dub the the Official Spin Doctor of WE Blog. (PhD that is, he’s not a real Doctor that saves lives.)
OSD it is!
“Oh geez, he talks about his experiences from 2 decades ago, and then complains about the relevancy of a posting from 7 years ago??”
Posted by: Chas. | June 06, 2007 at 05:55 PM
Yeah Chas, and we actually shot down stuff way back then.
http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123045601“The COIL is a megawatt class laser, as opposed to the less-powerful kilowatt-class targeting laser test fired on the March 15 mission, said Dr. Roc White…”
http://www.afmc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123045601“…testing out the beam control system which involved two high-power illuminator lasers. We call it low-power system integration, but that is a relative term — relative to the ultimate weapon system, which is the COIL. ”
Get it Cosmos? Relative Term?
You’ve lost Cosmos, now go tuck tail and hide.
And take your “second stringer” Chas with you.
Republank, you’re a hopeless liar.Walk on by…
Amazing!
Now Cosmos doesn’t even believe the text from the link he provided!
Talk about hypocrite, Cosmos is the worst!
Walk……………………………
nite all!!
Nite Chas.And walk on by…
Republican is obviously the conservative leader on this blog. Whenever he posts on a thread, it grows to more than 200 posts. I so admire the man…
Jeez, anyone want to bet that the new “blank” is actually Republank? Every post this person makes is a compliment addressed to Republank.
Damn, this is creepy.
If “blank” is not Republank, then somebody has a real serious problem.
Republican,
ROFLMAO!!!
“I’m sorry I should have wrote above “my post.”
But since you wouldn’t have been clever enough to assign that in a usable category of your spin, it most likely wouldn’t have helped.”
YOU make the error, and you blame ME for not finding it!!
I think I’ve met you where I work !!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“YOU make the error, and you blame ME for not finding it!!
I think I’ve met you where I work !!!”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: BFAH | June 06, 2007 at 08:01 PM
Good BFAH, then there is someone around to set and keep you from hurting yourself mentally and physically.
And it wasn’t an error, it was intended omission. Most people who carefully read sentences understand omitted words.
Like -
This bud is for you and me.It will be enjoyed (omitted by you and me.)
But since your the spin Doctor, I can understand you willingness to pander to useless argument that you tend prolong with your ever expanding ego problem.
Oh really???
People intentionally put in words or leave them out so that the meaning is entirely changed ????
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Are you an elected official somewhere?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wow BFAH, you need some medication, you are turning into KFG.
Think about this…
Republank claimed 2 links I posted were invalid, and quoted bogus error mssgs.
Here, and a few posts later,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/open_thread_5.html#comment-71947522
He seems to post obvious lies, to get some attention, and so he can make false personal attacks.
I see that you are still bothered by your broken URL’s Cosmos.
A 404 error can mean a lot things, look it up.
You know what your problem is Cosmos?
You really want to know?
You have “your” answer in mind, then you make up the question with your own spin.
Once you learn not to do that, then maybe people will take you seriously.
Walk…………………………..
Republican,
I’ve really tried to not jump on you because of your tendency to, shall we say, “be creative with the facts” at a minimum, and I will continue to try.
But….
you make it soooooo hard.
Just a piece of friendly advice…I’m being serious….
Taking you seriously becomes difficult when you are always one of the world’s experts on any subject under discussion. Some people who post are indeed very well-informed, but most don’t post on every subject claiming expert status. I limit myself to a few subjects I feel comfortable with. If I post otherwise, it is usually to add a little different view to something important that’s been said, or to ask a question.
A person isn’t considered any less worthwhile, important, or intelligent because he says “I don’t know”, or “I was wrong”, or “Help me to understand this”. He is considered a buffoon if those words NEVER come out of his mouth.
Being a know-it-all, and one who is often mistaken, doesn’t become you. I think you’re a pretty witty guy but that doesn’t make up for your (many) faults.
On by . . .
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“A person isn’t considered any less worthwhile, important, or intelligent because he says “I don’t know”, or “I was wrong”
Good advice, can you take this yourself?
Or when exactly did Cosmos and You earn their wings in the United States Air Force and become experts on the Airborne Laser Lab?
I am a renaissance type of guy from my very broad experience of world wide travel and studies. I don’t apologize for what I believe to be the truth.
And in all seriousness BFAH, how about you and your Democratic friends do a little less spinning and more factual evidence.
None of this trashy not-in-evidence MSM or Liberal Website garbage that purports to be the truth in news.
And I see that you and other bloggers don’t like it one bit when I turn the tables on them and use the same smear tactics on them as they do me.
They go into denial, ignore, change the subject and generally run from the truth.
Honesty is all I ask and fairness in discussing the subject.
Look on the open thread and here and see how many times Cosmos has called me a liar.
And you want me to take him seriously? I don’t think so.
BFAH–
He’s not help-able.
Pretend like he doesn’t exist.
Don’t read him. Don’t answer him.
Think: homless man ranting about space aliens.
Give him a wide berth . . .
Just walk on by…
And when we walk on by, we step over the bullshit ever so lightly……….. walk on by…………………………
Walk on by….
Leonardo himself would be envious ;-)
Q: How is Republican like a prostitute with a PhD who belongs to Mensa?
A: That’s right he is a f*cking know-it-all!
In case you mere humans don’t know it, what the Republican doesn’t know has been ripped outta da book…
Capn,
You’re being unkind to homeless people who rant about space aliens.
Let me explain something to you BFAH. CapnAmerica is the self-proclaimed leader of the liberals on this board BFAH. That means that he is your leader.
Therefore, you are not to be debating anyone he says not to! Follow the examples of Cosmos (who I noticed slipped up earlier) and WSClark. They are good soldiers.
outlander,
Lemme splain somethin’ to you. I choose not to engage with someone I now consider dishonorable, untrustworthy, and a general hack. Other have apparently come to much the same conclusion….sooner than I.
If people come to the same conclusion on any subject, that doesn’t necessarily make them toadies. However, to believe that it does (as you apparently do) is incredibly naive and puts you on my list as paranoid or near paranoid, if not delusional. Correlation is not causation.
Walk on by….
outlander,
I don’t follow any “leader” on this blog.
If I’ve got some time to waste, I don’t mind helping Republank prove that he’s a liar.
And do you really want to defend Republank? Click on the Exxon link here, and the PDF link a few post down.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/open_thread_5.html#comment-71948348
Do you get the message he claimed? Also, the 404 error = “The page cannot be found”
Do you want to defend Republank, an obvious liar?
“BFHA” –
Nice of you to offer some sensible advice to “Republican,” but I fear it will be to no avail.
“Republican” is just one of a bunch of Tinkerbell Conservatives.
He thinks if he hopes and wishes and claps his hands, somehow what he hopes and wishes were true might somehow turn out that way.
He also reflects a definite Karl Rovian tendency of today’s Republic Party: take your party’s weaknesses and accuse the Democrats of your sins.
George WMD Bush pulled strings in the 60s to avoid getting shot at in Vietnam? Accuse John Kerry of cowardice!
Fail to protect the nation against al Qaeda? Accuse the previous administration for allowing it to happen!
Fail to protect victims of from the post-Katrina disaster? Blame the victims!
Because he wishes and hopes and claps his hands, “Republican” still thinks he can persuade people that George WMD Bush is without flaw.
He’s a Tinkerbell Republican.
Perhaps he should start with fairies and work up to reality.
Link above at 9:07 PM is to the Exxon PDF. This link goes to post above the PDF one.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/open_thread_5.html#comment-71947320
BFHA: You picked it up very quickly. Spoken like a good soldier!
Cosmos: I’m just yanking Capn’s chain. He missed his calling. He should have been a union organizer.
LTP,FTP
I hear ya. Civil discourse may be a lost art. I was listening to a conservative FM radio show the other day and they were ridiculing the size of Hillary Clinton’s bottom…and they had too many callers to handle!!
I’m not saying the “liberal” side is free of this type of juvenile behavior, but I sure do see it far less often.
I see it all as just a big collective “scream” from a bunch of unhappy people who feel unempowered and who need a scapegoat for the problems in their lives.
outlander,
The best part of you went dripping down your mother’s leg.
That’s great BFAH! You are quite a debater.
oulander,
and you’re a master-debater….
ummm
master-bator
sorry.
Um.. no offense BFAH, but didn’t you just use that one on another thread? I know it’s probably your only semi-funny insult, but let’s try not to be so darn boring.
What Putin is concerned about may be neutralizing ICBM’s is easier if you get them before they deploy their warheads. Though I’m sure Buckaroo Bush doesn’t help any.
Sol, do you think the web site, copyright 2007, is going to post something that is seven years outdated??? Especially when it is the CFR??Posted by: Chas. | June 06, 2007 at 04:24 PM
R U seriously this ignorant Chas?
OK, if you cheese dick quitter liberals are right and the missile system is a failure, why are Putin’s panties in a bunch?
Well BFAH, you see I’m willing to accommodate you, but it seems you backslid into a behavior that you were attempting to set a standard above.
I guess you really didn’t mean any of that did you? :)
outlander and Sol are now the official Republican apologists. That fact is too bad, because every once in a great while, they each had something to offer in various debates – except those invoving abortion.
Now they are both just blog annoyances that should be scrolled over like their hero Republitroll, aka WOBblie.
Night all.
outlander,
If you’re “just yanking Capn’s chain”, why did you post this?”Follow the examples of Cosmos (who I noticed slipped up earlier) and WSClark. They are good soldiers.”
Did you click on the Exxon link at my post,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/open_thread_5.html#comment-71947320
Are you going to defend Republank’s comments about that link, and the PDF a few posts down?
cosmos, stop using your computer, it might be made from materials derived from petroleum based products.
With all the posting that you do cosmos, how many trees have you planted?
How come Al Gore spends $800.00/month to heat his pool?
Walk on by…
The WE has some repair work to do on this blog.
I’ve been on the Internet since 1996, and I’ve never seen so much crap in one post!
It’s clear the Liberals have all day and all night to sit on their asses and typity type type, since the Socialists don’t work – they live off the working American taxpayers.
All day and all night they do nothing but spew bullshit – they’re so full of it they just open their mouths and it flows out.
Worse then a bunch of old women at a bridge party.
What the hell was the topic of this thread? I forget and who cares?
Max,
Hello? Anybody in there??? Republican, aka Republank, aka blank, has been spewing the bullshit.
outlander,
Are you going to defend and/or explain Republank’s claim at 5:51 PM?http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/bush_has_some_r.html#comment-71946818“They don’t use kilowatt based lasers illuminators anymore like we did in the 80s, it’s a multiple megawatt laser “painters.” ”
When own his link at 1:06 PM,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/06/bush_has_some_r.html#comment-71920346says: “The COIL is a megawatt class laser, as opposed to the less-powerful kilowatt-class targeting laser test fired on the March 15 mission, said Dr. Roc White…”
This sums up the bizarre reality of the stupid situation.
‘President Putin Needn’t Worry About a U.S. Missile Defense System: It Won’t Work, Says Leading U.S. Science Group’http://www.ucsusa.org/news/commentary/president-putin-neednt-worry-0036.html“… So while Russia’s reaction may seem nonsensical, so does the U.S. decision to invite such a reaction by planning to field a system that won’t work.
Moreover, as long as the United States maintains a nuclear warfighting posture — keeping thousands of nuclear warheads ready to be launched within minutes at Russia’s nuclear forces — Russia will find such defenses threatening, despite evidence they won’t work.”