New veterans between the ages of 20 and 24 have an unemployment rate of 10.4 percent in 2006, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Many of the veterans have little or no professional work experience outside of the military.
Though there are a wide array of programs and job fairs geared toward finding these men and women employment, the jobs they provide are mostly low-paying, often forcing the vets to take pay cuts.
In an article on Time.com, veteran David Hughes said, “The stress factor here is real different. There, I was worried about the dying, but that was it. They give you a plan and you do it. Here at home I have so many more things to worry about.”
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You get a good education, an study hard, you might not end up being a young Iraq vet.
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And this differs from previous war veterans how?
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
“New veterans between the ages of 20 and 24 have an unemployment rate of 10.4 percent in 2006, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.”
Interesting how high the unemployment rate is, has someone been lying?
Every single person in the military is eligable for the MGIB.
That is the Montgomery GI Bill.
It provides around 25,000 dollars in money for school.
I can’t even begin to list for you all the programs the military has for the men and women getting out of the military.
“And this differs from previous war veterans how?”
You’re right, Republican. It should be all about you.
While the military paying for an education is awesome, it doesn’t, and shouldn’t, pay every day expenses. Many GI’s, after getting out, are married and have families to support while they’re getting that education. Is the program that holds a job for a vet still on, or is that strictly an employer decision?
I know Sears will hold the job, and even pay the GI their usual salary, while in the military. Or at least they used to.
JM,I saw an article a few days ago about Sears. They do indeed still pay soldiers on active duty. That really changes my opinion of Sears for the positive.
The article doesn’t seem to say how long the vets had been out of the service — if an able bodied vet is still out of work 1-2 years after leaving service he is probably doing some thing wrong — or not paying attention to something —- it disn’t say how many of those might be in school.
It does take time to transiton from the military world — civilians have a some what different version of team work, mission and doing things that takes some getting used to — most vets eventually figure it out — as Nathan pointed there is an education program to lean on (in and out of the service) as well as transition services — if a vet isn’t on top of it, he either hasn’t been paying attention or has been in some way injured by his service …..
What can be disheartening is being told in an interview that you’re service career is irrelevent — doesn’t happen often but it does happen
Ken,”What can be disheartening is being told in an interview that you’re service career is irrelevant”.
ANY employer who believes that is incredibly stupid. Most people come out of the service with a solid understanding of discipline and at least some management skills. Personally, I learned management in the Marine Corps. Those skills have stood me in good stead for 35 years.
I do think the unemployment lies. Because I’m darn sure I wasn’t counted in any numbers when I was unemployed.
“And this differs from previous war veterans how?”
You’re right, Republican. It should be all about you.
Posted by: XXX | May 26, 2007 at 06:57 AM
Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?
Republican can dish it out, but he can’t take it, lol!
Nope XXX, your comment came out of the blue. It’s like I’m not allowed to comment on the blog without some Leftist coming up with yet another snide middle school remark.
I guess you showed me huh?
:::rolls eyes:::
Probably because Employers who are Democrats refuse to hire them. The same way they treated vets coming back from the Vietnam War.
it would appear that the posters here have been just as swept up in bestowing hero status or the granting of sainthood to anybody who wears a uniform as the media.
What a load of crap. Anybody who has spent ten minutes in the military knows that about 25% of the ranks are knuckleheads who can barely find their ass with both hands. Another 25% are pretty smart and possess reasonable common sense. The other 50% are, like the rest of the world…average – with all of the strengths. weaknesses and foibles of being human.
(My son…who was in the Army for 10 years- including 13 months in Iraq – and just recently got out to become a police officer because that job has more reasonable rules of engagement- claims the moron rate is around 50% so I will bow to his experience. My experience comes from the late 60’s where the draft tended to raise the level of intelligence and competence.)
My point here is the reason some of these “heroic” vets can’t get jobs is because they are idots…and being a veteran has little to do with that fact.
And to the poster above who claims they learned their management skills in the military…you my friend are one of that lower 25%. In my 25+ year professional career I found, almost without exception, that those ex mlitary who succeeded in business where the ones who were able to forget about 90% of the leadership training they got in the military. You pull any of that bold moves/strike with alacrity/command and control crap in business and you are toast.
Repug, every post of yours is a snide remark from a neo-con junky. You get what you give. It’s called Karma.
Wow, rvn, I don’t recall anybody here proclaiming all vets heroes. And the leadership skills learned in the military, while needing to be paralleled for civilian work, are still excellent skill sets. I got a feeling someone has little if any use for the military vet. That adds little, if anything, to this discussion.
Sounds to me RVN, you granted yourself with self glorifying hero status.
People who classify people in the military the way you did, don’t know much about the military.
Sure, there are lot of “kids” that go into the military, but there are a lot of degreed individuals that go in as well. I remember reading a base newspaper about Wright-Patterson regarding education level. They have big research facilities as well as being a Command base – They had more PhD’s, people with Masters than five Universities combined.
So, let’s be a little more careful about how you assign values towards the military. There are all levels of educcation levels in the military, just like there is in civilian life.==============Yeah okay J M, who appointed you the grand visioneer of behavior? Your behavior is unnoticed because your leftist buddies let you get by with your remarks.
Repuke,I know I’m an a**hole. I also know you are as well. The difference between us is: Your the a**hole yelling fire in a crowded theater; I’m the a**hole who will kick your a** for doing so.
I know this is anecdotal evidence but this is something I see regularly.
Many of the people I know who got off active duty siad they were going to claim unemployment.
Why do you ask?
Because they know how to work the system. Not because they can’t find a job.
Many of them knew exactly what they would be doing or where they would be working but wanted to sit around and goof off on unemployment for awhile.
I am not sure exactly how they did this study of “New Vets” but I wonder how many of those “newly unemployed” ended up somewhere in a steady job by the next year?
Don’t get me wrong, I am all for helping out the Veterans and getting what I can too in aid.
But don’t be disilliusioned in thinking veterans are not getting help.
Like I said, I couldn’t even begin to list all the perks from VA loans, to the MGIB, to Health Care plans, to all the job placements, the extra points for federal jobs…etc…etc…
There is a ton.
“Your the a**hole yelling fire in a crowded theater; I’m the a**hole who will kick your a** for doing so.”
hee hee hee hee heeee Walker! Good one!
Republican,”Nope XXX, your comment came out of the blue.”
Unlike your comments, which mostly seem to come out of your ass.
“It’s like I’m not allowed to comment on the blog without some Leftist coming up with yet another snide middle school remark.”
Pot, meet Kettle. Gee, it’s almost like the “Leftists” don’t like you.
“I guess you showed me huh?”
Nope, I don’t think you’re trainable. But I could be mistaken. I read an interesting article about training Lamprey Eels lately.
More sh*t from our resident mental deficient:
“Probably because Employers who are Democrats refuse to hire them. The same way they treated vets coming back from the Vietnam War.”
Joe Williams, let’s see some proof of that statement.
RVN,”In my 25+ year professional career I found, almost without exception, that those ex mlitary who succeeded in business where the ones who were able to forget about 90% of the leadership training they got in the military”
In your case, it probably doesn’t work being a manager at McDonalds.
“Probably because Employers who are Democrats refuse to hire them. The same way they treated vets coming back from the Vietnam War.”
Joe! Most of those Corporate business types are REPUBLICANS! I remember them all too well from the VietNam days. I realize that might have been before your time but it was NOT before mine.
J M, you couldn’t kick my ass even if you tried.
You’re just mad cause I’m a republican who hands out the same slop as you leftists do, then you guys cry about it and become Fisters.
The party of Whiners – Democrats.
Republican,you should start a deli since you’re so full of baloney. Or maybe a fertilizer store.
“J M, you couldn’t kick my ass even if you tried.”
Now see, Republican, there you go again. Last week when I offered to let you try a slap-down on me, you chickened out citing your “disabled” status. Now you want to take on Walker?
I might mention that since “Walker” is one of my best friends, I’ll be there, too.
(cue stupid noises)
Nope XXX, I said I like good food and for you to set a date.
The you came up with some lame excuse for not setting a date to go to eat lunch or whatever meal.
It’s not me that backed out, it was you.
Besides, the slap down was a virtual reference.
I guess your brow was hanging too far over your eyes to see that.
Vets don’t work because they don’t have too. I got friend i went to High School with who lost a leg in Iraq. He got a insurance payment that he used to buy a house with a VA loan. Gets free health insurance now, Gets a SSI payment every month cause “disabled” even thou he plays B-ball with his metal leg. Gets all sorts of tax credits so he gets more money back on his taxes than he pays. Invested his back pay in the stock market. his Job now is pretty much a career student paid for by GI Bill, assorted grants because he is “handicapped” “unemployed” even though he has a nice chunk of cash. Gets all sorts of scholarships cause most people don’t take the time to find them. His view is that the goverment owes him
Joe thinks Raising taxes to fund private projects is a Libertarian idealogy. Fascists are leftists. Hates democrats/leftist but thinks Raj Goyle is the best thing since sliced bread, and voted for Nader once an Uber leftist. And thinks Christian Anti Abortionists are holding up his arena project. So lets just say hes confused.
I don’t hate Democrats. I don’t hate leftist. Just think that Leftist ideology is a poor choice to adopt. Just like smoking is a bad habit, leftist ideology is a bad ideology, but I don’t hate smokers nor leftist.
Many Democrats are not leftist. Democrats and leftist are not the same. Raj Goyle is not a leftist. Ralph Nader is not a leftist either.
There is nobody holding up the arena project. I never claimed that the arena was a libertarian concept. It isn’t! Actually most of all Libertarians I know voted against it. But again! I don’t tow the party line nor ask them to think for me. I’m my own person, and I make up my mind on what I believe is best, not what a Political Party tells me to think.
The organizers of the re-vote group are part of a Republican Action Assembly that has the main guy from Operation Rescue name Troy Newman as a member. Jwink, a regular anti-arena proponent and blogger here is also a member of this Republican Action Group, so is David Leffew.
I found it pretty peculiar that the main organizers of the re-vote group came from this Republican Action Group who make it quite vocal and they lobby for anti-aborition, anti-gay, anti-gaming legislation. It’s no secret.
Reason why I voted for Nader, because Al God Gore sucks and George Bush does too. Nader was clearly the most intelligent and reasonable man of the choices for President in 2000. I made a clear decision based on that, although I knew his chances were zilch.
I’m a man of principles and facts.
Tom Paine! You’re the one that’s confused.
Looking into the Bureau of Labor Statistics website, the over all national unemployment rates for 2006 was in the 4.5 percent rate.Teenagers having the highest rate of 15.6 percent, (if you want to believe it true by the article from Time.com) Veterans at 10.4 percent and Blacks at 8.9 percent.
What Nathan posted at 11:16, I think sums it up on what the truth is.
Put repuke on the spot, and he turns “virtual”. Tell you what, repuke, let’s find a crowded theater, you yell fire, and see if I don’t kick your ass. Trust me: it won’t be the least bit virtual.
You have bragged many times about how you can take any lib in the house. Personally, I think the only lib in your house must be your mini-monkey. Spanking it must give you at least a semblance of power,now, doesn’t it. After all, it’s the only power you have.
Don’t really have a comment here…
Except that I am pleased to see that RepualicanKhanJM is still handed his cajones on a regular basis by gents capable of doing so in virtual or any other reality. : )
Hey, J R, good to hear from you. Hows the world treating you. Good I hope.
JR,
Welcome back! Nice to see you here.
Good to see you too REAL J M (or JW) (inside joke folks)
I miss blogging and the internet. But I had no idea how much I’d get done without it!
I need to find a cheap internet access though. I can’t participate meaningfully here a few hours at a time every couple weeks! Have I missed anything monumental? Meetups or blowups or civil wars I’ve neglected to attend?
Good to see you too Nathan. I may be back a little later for a little while.
On this issue? We can never do enough for our veterans. We often do a good job of NOT doing good enough.
WRONG J M, I never bragged about any such thing. It was a joke about slapping him around and done in the gist of the conversation.
I offered to go eat somewhere with XXX, he backed out and that was that.
Now he changes his story.
And I don’t call you any names, maybe I should start doing it.
Let’s see, you were in Nam.
BabyKiller, that’s it.
You shot Vietnamese babies from your helicopter. Isn’t that right BabyKiller?
Joe! I don’t really know all that much about the “organizers” of the pro-revote group; I have only met JWink once and doubt that Barfield is a Republican Assembly person. Some of us who oppose the Communist proposal do so out of principle after having examined the accounting of the project.
I think the fact that there really was no anti-Communist-arena group before the election helped it pass. And, it is very difficult to get people to actually look at how much the numbers have changed – especially when some pro-communist-arena people say the numbers are irrelevant.
I am sort of looking forward to when the communist arena runs out of operating money and has to come to the Commission for operating subsidies. It will be fun asking where the $23,611,000 went. Especially if the answer is ‘we don’t care, it’s not important.’
I HAVE a proposal to pay the subsidies; communist-arena backer Wolverton has rejected it out-of-hand.
How is Nader not a leftist? He’s a smart guy but hes about as left as you can get without being a socialist
Is Republican taking on all comers? Jeez, where do I sign up? How long is the line?
That long, eh?
I’ll wait.
Republican, while your beef isnt with me, calling a vet a babykiller is low. For someone who claims to be a vet himself you should know better. I might venture that comments like the one above is why you get attacked everytime you post.
Tom – Nader is not a leftist in Joe!-world. Just like I am a member of the Republican Assembly! NOT!
Yep, repuke, Baby killer. That’s me. BBQ’d em (Curlys) when I was done killin’ em.
I’m not going back and reposting all your “threats”. Suffice it to say you are as low as they come, have no empathy for anyone, other than yourself, are on the government dole, but hate anyone else who is, believe bush is the second coming, and spanks your mini-monkey for no other reason then you hates it. You are basically a sheep in wolfs clothing.
You couldn’t kick my a** if you brought all your friends, for the simple reason you have none. And if you do, they’re probably like you, so I really have nothing to worry about.
I see RepublicanKhanJM remains his uncharmingly addled self. Ranted in pirate lingo lately nut? What a low brow kook. If you only have respect for the veterans who think as you do? Well why CLAIM to support the troops? They are not by any means all self absorbed arrogant head cases such as you.
heheheheheeh Walker!
Hi JR!
Think about this guys. Wouldnt JM/republican really be humiliated if a GIRL kicked his ass?
Especially and old, gray haired, hippie lesbian?
hehehehehehehhehehheh…….
To quote foghorn leghorn “lemme at ‘em, lemme at ‘em!”
JR
I’m not gonna get in this thread at all; haven’t followed it.
Just wanna say -
Missed ya, JR. Good to see you back.
I guess GMC won’t be back to see that I thank him for the welcome. Oh but I’m just here for a bit for…for now… heh heh heh.Hi kfg! I’ll be back and for good…soon. I miss this too much. I think I’ll get a laptop and try and ride wifi for free.
Paul? kooklkhan? KSdonut?
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
I see Republican finally settled on one nic? Well a ranting whackaloon by any other name…
JR
We’re glad to have you back, but . . . no one here “fears” you.
You’re just back, and you already need to get over yourself.
Welcome back, nonetheless.
You guys don’t even understand your own ideology.
Nader is a big fan of democratic processes, rule of law, consumer protection. He’s about fair trade and balance global and environmental issues.
He may be green, but he is no leftist.
A Leftist is Dennis Kucinich. Who wants to nationalize all large companies, from utilities, oil and pharmaceuticals to even television broadcast. He’s also a staunch promoter of the Fairness Doctrine, known also as the Hush Rush Doctrine, which ends free speech on the radio. The guy is a raving leftist, but the only odd thing about him is that he is anti-abortion, go figure on that one, but maybe not surprising. Leftist love power and control of the masses and keeping a woman from choosing her reproductive options is just another step in the that direction.
I don’t know what your definition of a leftist is. Wikipedia’s entry may give the correct term:
Although specific means of achieving these ends are not agreed upon by different left-wing groups, almost all those on the left agree that some form of government or social intervention in economics is necessary, ranging from Keynesian economics and the welfare state through industrial democracy or the social market to nationalization of the economy and central planning.
Nader doesn’t believe in central planning or nationalization of the economy. Most Democrats or even Green party people don’t.
The kook fringe left, such as those on this blog and Dennis Kucinich want to central plan and have government control all of the economy and society.
Basically what Hitler and Stalin believed in.
“Basically what Hitler and Stalin believed in.”
Are you trying out a new comedy act, Joe?
Now you are telling those of us on the Left what WE think? What are you, clairvoyant?
Ad how did you come up with a comparison to Hitler and Stalin, two diametrically opposed individuals?
I know what I think and I don’t need you to tell me what it is.
Christ.
Welcome to Joe!-world WSC. Joe! is gthe ONLY person I know who voted for Nader who is not kicking himself. EVERY other person I know who voted for Nader did so because he was to the LEFT of Gore; they considered Gore to be ‘Bush Lite’. Gore supporters get angry with me when I note that he lost because he failed to hold his ‘flank’ (left) from Nader. Nader’s 3% made the difference in New Hampshire and Florida, hanging chads notithstanding.
WSC – I will differ a bit with you. Actually Hitler and Stalin had a lot in common; even though they were enemies. And, like Joe!, they BOTH loved government ownership of Arenas.
Ben, I was alluding to the common misconception that Hitler was a “socialist” because the word is included in the official name.
Hitler was vehemently anti-Communist, and that attitude may have led to his downfall due to his ill advised attack on the Soviet Union.
WSC – my take is that the NAZI Party was the “National Socialist” party. They espoused massive public works and state ownership of many businesses.
I have seen a ‘circle’ in poli sci where they show BOTH extreme right and extreme left coming together with government control of your lives. That is why I would call Hitler and Stalin similar.
However, all that said, NEITHER bear any resemblence to that which we now call ’socialism’ or ‘capitalism.’ Note, for example modern Europe and Israel which are highly socialized systems.
Vaclev Havel noted the massive difference between western socialism and Soviet-style Communism. (You may recall him as the leader of Czeckoslovakia (sp?) during the ‘velvet revolution’ and later the ‘velvet divorce’)
BTW – you are absolutely correct that Operation Barbarosa defeated Hitler.
As a staunch left-leaner, I would be proud to welcome Walker into the fold . . . but he’s not liberal. Republican was totally wrong about that.
He’s a true independent.
But I get the feeling that after 7 years of Bush, he’s more liberal than he used to be.
Which simply means that he has a functioning brain.
I will second that motion, Capn’, young Mr. Walker is welcome any time. I actually like those independent thinking independents – they make for great, respectful debates.
Actually Hitler and Stalin were friends and Hitler Germany and the Soviets had pacts together before their relationship soured.
But those who are leftist on here, you give me your take on what being “leftist” means.
You get upset that I supposedly get it wrong. But I guess I don’t ever see a rejection until I evoke the Hitler connection and then all hell breaks loose with you leftist.
So what does being “left” mean to you and what is your vision of America. And don’t be superficial either. Be specific. I want to know what your vision of a “left-leaning America” is.
“Actually Hitler and Stalin were friends and Hitler Germany and the Soviets had pacts together before their relationship soured.”
Yeah, right up until the point where the Nazis invaded the USSR. Friendships usually don’t last when one party invades the other.
Actually Hitler and Stalin weren’t friends. Communists and and Nazi’s are diametrically opposed to each other. Anti Communsion was a plank in Hitler’s platform going back to Mein Kampf and the Nazi parties founding. The Nonaggression pact between Soviet and Nazi 1939 was an alliance of connivance both had agendas agreed to leave each other alone. And it seems we’ve gone slightly off topic. And Joe your Wiki definition of Left wing seems OK but that broad definition includes Democratic party, Socialists, Communists, green party (Nader)etc However their are vast deference’s in each group and they usually don’t get along. BTW your defition of Leftist would include you since you believe in using the gov. to fund things like Waterwalk, arena
Tom P – his version of ‘left’ is absolute – Joe! advocates government ownership of the means of production. Right out of Das Kapital!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_political_beliefs Why dont you explain how Hitler was a leftist when he opposed all leftwing idealogies.
“The Nonaggression pact between Soviet and Nazi 1939 was an alliance of connivance both had agendas agreed to leave each other alone.”
Very true. The subsequent alliance between the west and Stalin was, in many ways, similar. The alliance between Reagan and Saddam was also an allience of connivance.
“Nope XXX, I said I like good food and for you to set a date.
The you came up with some lame excuse for not setting a date to go to eat lunch or whatever meal.
It’s not me that backed out, it was you.”
Posted by Republican May 26, 2007 at 12:47 PM
“I offered to go eat somewhere with XXX, he backed out and that was that.
Now he changes his story.”
Posted by Republican May 26, 2007 at 2:25 PM
Once again, Republican lies. And this time, it’s easy to prove.
Here’s what Republican REALLY said:”Okay XXX, sounds like a plan, I like to eat. :D
XXX replies:”Well Republican, you got it. Hank and I both work, so make it a weekend. You name time and place. Bring your slapper.”
And there is no reply from lying Republican.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_17.html#comments(scroll to the bottom of the page. It’s the last few posts)
You’re busted for the lying POS you are, Republican.
Damn, repuke, you’re so full of it lately, I’ll bet your mini-monkey actually slaps you back . . . and wins.
Oh yeah, I forgot:(cue lying noises)
My offer still stands, Republican (cue lying noises).
You’re not going to enjoy dinner.
As a vet of the Army and the war in Iraq, I can say from experience that the job market is tough out there for vets. I lived on my disability pay until that dried up about six months after I got out. I finally filed for unemployment, (it took me months to file because I object to living on someone else’s dime) It still took me four months to find a job, and the one I have is a low paying retail job, and that is not for a lack of trying, people are not hiring vets. I am going to school, but the money the VA provides for that is not enough to live on.
So I joined the army, and I fought in Iraq. I don’t want a cookie, I would just like to be able to find a job that pays me enough to live on, at a rate equal to or better than my civilian peers.
Gnome – do you find that your difficulties finding a good job is due to ” because Employers who are Democrats refuse to hire them.” as Joe! claims?
Not sure you are aware if Gnome, but Veterans get additional points under Civil Service and disable veterans greater than 30 percent get more consideration.
The reason why I’m mentioning this is both Kansas and the Federal Government must give you preference in hiring over other candidates if you meet the qualifications of the job.
I believe that Wichita and Sedgwick County give the same preference, but of that I’m unsure.
You may try for a job with one of the government agencies and find out.
Any Vet Counseling service will help you find a job, there are a few local. Contact the toll free number for Veterans to find out specifically, should be in the phone book or go to the VA center on Edgemoor.
The problem I had, even though employers won’t admit to it, that I was “too disabled” to get hired.
It’s hard to prove and I didn’t feel like getting a job with hard feelings involved.
But you’re right, unless you have a specific trade or education, people don’t hire Vets because they have served.
Most employers feel that they owe you nothing, they just want ‘bang for their buck.’
Hard reality, but that’s the truth in that the U.S. turns their backs on Veterans.
What you can do since you are going to school, is visit the VA counselor on Edgemoor and tell him you really want a job in addition to going to school. They might even be able to hook you up with a job at the VA Center.
Check it out, won’t hurt trying.
I could see how employers might be a little gun-shy of vets. Look at what’s happened to them…many vets remain in the reserves/national guard. They’ve been called up, well, let’s say “a lot” in the past decade. An employer has to keep a spot open, I think, and this must be a major planning headache. Further, I believe officers even have to take the step of resigning their commission even when their enlistment is up, or they risk being recalled to duty. From what I understand many officers are unaware of this and have been called back into service against their desires.
The stigma with having a disability on an application applies to both those who are vets and those who have never been vets.
People don’t want to hire people with disabilities because they fear they will have to accommodate them, which is partially true.
They won’t be able to take advantage of an employee to do heavy moving or some other activity not in their job description. That’s just a fact of life and how it is with employers.
It used to be with my father’s age, that one could get by on a minimum wage job, but not any more. My father had two jobs, one full time and one part time after he got out after WWII. It wasn’t easy back then, but people were a bit more “patriotic” back then as well.
I would say now, one would have to search very very hard, to find a patriotic employer these days. Most could care less if you are a veteran or not and won’t give you any preference.
They are overly concerned about their bottom line.
I find this hard to believe and it does not match my experience. I find that employers are more likely to hire vets- in fact many give preference to them and if I was hiring I would too because unlike many who skipped the military and went to college (which admittingly my own kids are doing), military vets know how to get up early, be to work on time and follow instructions. So I really don’t know why unemployment among them is high. Maybe people just don’t love the military anymore like they used to or maybe a few rouge Marines killing civilians have given all the services a black eye.
“I would say now, one would have to search very very hard, to find a patriotic employer these days. Most could care less if you are a veteran or not and won’t give you any preference.”
The best employers do give a preference including government, schools and utility companies.
The State of Kansas doesn’t Kev. I applied for a job I was exceptionally well qualified.
Instead, they hired the beautiful blond woman fresh out of college.
The same happened to me with the City of Wichita. They hired someone with less experience AND education.
And so on and so forth.
Like I said, they see disability and run for the hills.
My company, AT&T does as well.
“I know Sears will hold the job, and even pay the GI their usual salary, while in the military. Or at least they used to.”
That brings up an interesting question in that I wonder what Wal*Mart’s policy is. They are the ones always sprouting off about “supporting the troops” and being as American as apple pie. I wonder of they put the money where the mouth is.
“JM,I saw an article a few days ago about Sears. They do indeed still pay soldiers on active duty. That really changes my opinion of Sears for the positive.”
Nobody explained what “leftism” is to them and what you version of a left-leaning American.
Just too busy trying to exclude Hitler from your list. That’s fine. I use it to ruffle feathers, because it works so well.
Now! Explain your vision of America under “Left”!
Not to put too fine a point on it…fascists are about as far on the right as you can get….
I agree.
Sears – by way of clarification:
“I assume you have all seen the reports about how Sears is treating its reservist employees who are called up? By law, they are required to hold their jobs open and available, but nothing more. Usually, people take a big pay cut and lose benefits as a result of being called up…
Sears is voluntarily paying the difference in salaries and maintaining all benefits, including medical insurance and bonus programs, for all called up reservist employees for up to two years. I submit that Sears is an exemplary corporate citizen and should be recognized for its contribution.”
Later, Joe, today is Memorial Day and I am enjoying family time. I will ’splain it all to you tomorrow. You will see the logic of our reasoning and instantly become a Left Wing radical like me.
Joe! Anything to back up your claim that it is Democratic employes who won’t hire veterans? Or is that just another ‘Joeism’ you made up.
It sure does not match with what I was told personally by many VietNam vets back in the 70s.
We did not have people like that in the USAF. Almost all of our people were very intelligent and had great technical and leadership skills. The few that didn’t ended up being “tank rats” out at McConnell!
“What a load of crap. Anybody who has spent ten minutes in the military knows that about 25% of the ranks are knuckleheads who can barely find their ass with both hands. Another 25% are pretty smart and possess reasonable common sense. The other 50% are, like the rest of the world…average – with all of the strengths. weaknesses and foibles of being human.”