Bush administration officials have been putting out the word that Gov. Kathleen Sebelius was two days late getting to Greensburg after the tornado struck because she was attending a jazz festival in New Orleans, columnist Robert Novak reported. But that’s not the real story, said Nicole Corcoran, the governor’s press secretary.
Yes, Sebelius was in New Orleans with her family when the tornado hit that Friday evening. But she was notified that night about the tornado, and she and her staff in Kansas immediately began trying to assess the damage. When the scope of the disaster became clear, they began making arrangements for her return.
Sebelius didn’t attend any of the jazz festival and left her family in New Orleans, flying back Saturday afternoon using a plane arranged by Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco. Sebelius didn’t go to Greensburg until Sunday, Corcoran said, because Kansas National Guard Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting told her it would be best to wait until then. That way she wouldn’t disrupt ongoing rescue efforts.
You can’t control where you are when an emergency hits, Corcoran noted. And she said that Sebelius wouldn’t have gone to Greensburg any sooner if she had been in Topeka when the storm struck.
"We absolutely did the right thing," Corcoran said.
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Doing the right thing is injecting politics into a natural disaster?
Who benefited from Sebelius’ comments about the National Guard equipment? The victims of Greensburg did not benefit since their Kansas neighbors were already taking care of them. Sebelius was the big “winner” of her political comments. But during a disaster we need leadership, not a politician.
I don’t know, KS Meadowbark. But You did seem to enjoy the politicisation as well, noting Your earlier post:
“Bob Novak finds where Gov. Sebelius was during Greensburg tornado: Jazz Festival in New Orleans!
Why isn’t this story reported by the Kansas press? The Robert Novak column in yesterday’s New York Post says this:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05262007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/trade_trouble_nags_nancy_opedcolumnists_robert_d__novak.htm
“Bush administration officials, stung by complaints from Democratic Gov. Kathleen Sebelius that National Guard heavy equipment needed by tornado-stricken Greensburg, Kan., is in Iraq, are putting out word that she was two days late at the disaster scene because she was attending a jazz festival in New Orleans.”
“Sebelius’ office told this column that she was out of the state with her family to attend the New Orleans Jazzfest 2007 on May 4, when the tornado hit Kansas. She returned on a plane loaned by Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco. Sebelius would be a top vice-presidential possibility if anyone other than Sen. Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee for president.”
Three other political web sites are reporting Novak’s story:• RealClearPolitics, http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/05/challenging_nancy.html
• TownHall, http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2007/05/26/challenging_nancy and
• HumanEvents http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20879
and some versions had this additional paragraph:
“Sebelius was featured on cable TV, radio talk shows and the Internet when she merged the Iraqi war with the Kansas tornado. A daughter of former Ohio Gov. John Gilligan, she would be a leading vice-presidential possibility if anybody other than Sen. Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee for president.”
I cannot find any pictures of Sebelius in this picture gallery of the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festval 2007, but the pictures are mostly the musicians. http://www.nojazzfest.com/index.php?http%3A//www.nojazzfest.com/gallery/photos.php%3Fdirectory%3D2007/5_4-6%26thumbs%3Dtrue
I don’t recall the Kansas press reporting this other Sebelius connection to Louisiana Gov. Blanco: Sebelius was the keynote speaker (see http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2007-03-06/news_scut.php ) at the Louisiana Center for Women and Government’s Hall of Fame (see http://www.nicholls.edu/lcwg/ ) on March 10. The Hall of Fame ceremony was the crowning event of the second annual meeting of Louisiana’s Women Leaders, founded by Gov. Kathleen Blanco.
Who benefited from Sebelius’ comments about the National Guard equipment? The victims of Greensburg did not benefit since their Kansas neighbors were taking care of them. Sebelius was the big winner of her political comments. But during a disaster we need leadership, not a politician.
Sebelius’ next political event involving “Jazz” was the fund raising event for Planned Parenthood at the American Jazz Museum in Kansas City, MO on May 15. http://dustofthetime.blogspot.com/2007/05/gov-sebelius-at-planned-parenthood.html
Posted by: KansasMeadowlark | May 27, 2007 at 01:45 AM”
Will we hear apologies from Meadowlark on spreading right wing propaganda that’s proven to be lies?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_26.html
I’m thinking no. Conservatives don’t have a good track record when it comes to honesty.
I regret that Novak didn’t quite have his facts right, but that should not detract from legitimate criticsm of Sebelius’ shameful politicization of the Greensburg tornado.
I regret there were inaccuracies in my original posting but that doesn’t mean they were intentional lies. There’s still more truth in the original posting than inaccuracies. Except for “listen to jazz” the original posting is mostly correct.
So how did Sebelius’ comments help the victims in Greensburg?
Regret, but no apologies, and yet more spin and finger pointing. *sigh*
The same night the tornado wiped out Greensburg, creeks were flooding in central Kansas and Topeka and severe thunderstorms swept through Southeast Kansas.
Had the flood waters not receded, and had the Southeast Kansas storms been a tad more severe, the Governor would have faced a Perfect Storm that would have shown the decimation of KNG resources. In fact, all night Friday and all day Saturday she was dealing with a potential crisis.
Kathleen Sebelius did not “raise” the issue. A reporter asked her specifically if Friday Night in Greensburg, Hutchinson, Topeka, Iola, and Parsons, etc. constituted a “Perfect Storm” relevant to issues of National Guard resources (as she had mentioned several times before) she’d feared.
Novak and “Kansas Meadowlark” hope people don’t remember the context of events and conjure up images that the Governor was partying in New Orleans right up to and almost including whole-cloth made-up accusations that she was showing her tits for glass bead necklaces on Bourbon Street.
And on 9/11, Bush went into hiding all day instead of returning to Washington to lead our country after the worst attack on the homeland in history.
Did it take all day to finish reading “My Pet Goat”?
“Did it take all day to finish reading “My Pet Goat”?”
Of course not; he had to digest it as well.
(Archie) Bunker mentality…
“Long time poster” makes a good point. When 9/11 happened, Bush was paralyzed with fear. Cheney disappeared for weeks into the bowels of SAC’s buried mountain headquarters, or maybe he was hiding out at the (”undisclosed location”) Mustang Ranch, disguised in a false beard.
Sibelius came back from New Orleans post haste, but the nitwits from the Far Right Wing Noise Machine are still out there banging on their tin pots claiming she didn’t.
Eagle is vigorously trying to defend sebelius but letting slader about bush pass as fact.Majority of americans approved of the iraq war when it started. Now why blame bush when there are no national guards? I think sebelius wants the vice president ticket even if the comments did not help Greensburg.
I don’t know if I believe Sebelius, but I know I don’t believe Novak on anything. The man is a pathetic shill who should be in jail right now for his attempt to undermine the CIA.
“Had the flood waters not receded, and had the Southeast Kansas storms been a tad more severe, the Governor would have faced a Perfect Storm that would have shown the decimation of KNG resources.” Posted by: Long Time Poster, First Time Lurker | May 31, 2007 at 04:17 AM
Duh!
If a major portion of the State was hard hit, even if the were fully outfitted and manned, they couldn’t have gotten the job done.
If you’re going to paint a dismal scenario at least test it under all conditions.
…and ditto delsol for meadowpoop for passing the lies on as fact. No fact checking meadowpoop? No ablility to discern truth from fiction, just pass along whatever the “big boys” tell ya?
Meadowlark must indeed be the wingnut on call each day. Deputized by the reich wing liars like oliely.
Here’s a little clue meadow. NOT fact checking but just passing on the lies destroys what little credibility you may have once had. Why should we believe your NEXT post?
‘Cause you KNOW there WILL be another dump from meadowlark. And it WILL be either about sebelius or abortion.
Yawn.
XXX,Only a complete idiot would expect the president to go to the hottest target in America during a terrorist attack. The whole point of Air Force One is to have a flying Tac office for the president. He can do everything from AF1 that he can do in the white house. C’mon X, I expected more from you than that. Have a cup of coffee or three. Things will get better.
“Now why blame bush when there are no national guards?”
Hee hee hee hee. So, do we have a wingnut winner?
Are you really ready to concede that there “are no national guards” in kansas where they are needed? Not ENOUGH “national guards” to deal with emergencies?
Yep. A wingnut winner, even though I’m sure that’s not what he meant… Hell, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Unless you are meadowlark of course. He gets up EVERYDAY on the wingnut side of the bed…
The Katrina situation is entirely different, it covers a huge area, not just New Orleans. It was the tidal surge that caused most of the damage.
And besides, who would have guessed that a city built below sea level would have problems in a Cat 5 hurricane. (rolls eyes.)
New Orleans. Huh, yup. All Bush’s fault. Don’t even stop to think about all the people that WOULDN’T have been in harm’s way if the fu@k up of a mayor had two brain cells to rub together. How about that governor? Yup just blame Bush. The overwhelmed FEMA? During the most devastating natural disaster in recent history? Yeah, Bush’s fault.
Don’t think about the fine folks in Colorado. You remember them? They pulled THEMSELVES up before they asked for assistance. How about the fine folks of YOUR state? THEY pulled themselves up. Neighbors helping neighbors. Families instantly extended to anyone in need.
And then there are the fine folks of New Orleans. Looting, robbing, killing. Neighbor vs. neighbor. Yup, but lets’ all pile on Bush.
Y’all’s governor did what she was supposed to do. She got her poop in a group, her disaster relief teams got their poop in a group and got things under control.
By y’all’s own standard, Bush did one hell of a job taking care of Colorado and Kansas. Don’t you even think for a second about giving ANY credit to the fine citizens or your local and state gov’t. If y’all want to blame Bush for everything negative, then by God he gets credit for the things that go right too.
::sniffs at solly::
Yep, wingnut fear. I recognize that smell now every day.
Uh solly, in your “defense of bush” rant, you forgot a few things.
The entire REGION was devastated in Katrina. There were no neighbors to help. Everyone needed help.
I seem to remember some SOLDIERS who were arrested for looting in greensburg. I dont think the people of kansas were sainted. Seems like we had our own looting on a smaller scale in a smaller town in a smaller disaster.
Solly’s point? The “fine” white folks in greensburg are of much better character than the “fine” folks of N.O.
Uh, solly, they ALL asked for assistance from the feds. The feds were able to respond in smaller disasters. FEMA was not ready for the disaster in N.O. Even WALMART was more prepared to help than fema.
You think maybe fema and bushco LEARNED a thing or two about public blowback when they fail? You think maybe THAT is why they responded better to kansas? They KNEW what would happen if dear leader was photographed playing air guitar or ready kiddie books during another disaster?
SO… in kansas, everything went fine because of bushco but in Louisianna, it didnt go fine because of Blanco and Nagin?
That is so convoluted and exhibits so much loyalty to party that I am torn between laughter and outrage.
I think I’ll go with laughter for $100 Alex….
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
Howard Dean probably instructed her not to go to Greensburg on Saturday.
Funny how the congressional delegation cared enough about the situation to be there on Satureday.
Sebelius knew there’d be more cameras (and a podium) there on Sunday.
(makes Howard Dean scream – eeeeyahh!)
heheheheheheh. Still laughing.
Having been through both hurricanes and tornados, I can tell you that the thing us tornado folks dont understand is the flooding and then the massive amounts of water that follow with a hurricane.
So people in Greensburg could go out the NEXT DAY and start working. With the help of their neighbors. On the gulf coast, no such luck. The flood waters had to retreat before any work could be done.
And with the levees breached, more water kept pouring in, and it was WEEKS before any real clean up could take place. And bushco didnt know that? FEMA didnt prepare appropriately?
Comparing N.O. and Greensburg is just comparing apples and oranges.
“Howard Dean probably instructed her not to go to Greensburg on Saturday.”
OMG, first meadow poop is spreading lies that have been PROVEN to be reich wing lies.
Then roscoe perpetuates the proven lie about howard dean telling governor leadership what to do.
Is that all ya got boys? Lies, lies, and more lies?
no wonder republican is a republican.
The party of lies.
So… I guess we’ll just ASSUME your posts are lies and then we’ll be surprised when you actually post something with truth?
Seems like the appropriate way to treat fact challenged posters.
I am tired of the NO disaster being created by its citizens.And then there are the fine folks of New Orleans. Looting, robbing, killing. Neighbor vs. neighbor. Yup, but lets’ all pile on Bush.Posted by: SolDevVB | May 31, 2007 at 07:49 AM
The stories of killing people were highly exaggerated. This has been proven. The label of “looting” was dependent on skin color. Remember the picture of the white couple walking through the water and the caption reading..”finding must needed supplies” and the black people walking through the water with the the same type of supplies , and the caption reading “looters”.
Please back up your posts that claim that NO was a Killing field as you describe. Or don’t say it anymore. Lets not cite the political slogan that gets attributed to a news story.
Go back and read Farmie, or are you purposefully referring to what I said incorrectly. Fine white folks? Where did THAT come from???
By the way, have you sent your thank you card to Bush yet for doing such a fine job cleaning up your state?
Mike,Do your own research. Check the crime rate in Houston before and after the NO victims were displaced there. Read the news stories about what went on in the Silver dome.
Well solly, skin color is the only difference I see in the PEOPLE of N.O. and the PEOPLE of Kansas. Both were true VICTIMS of a weather disaster.
But judging them on their response to the disaster, given the difference in nature, scale, and severity, is not fair to either group of PEOPLE.
Why is it so damn hard to admit that bushco blew it with Katrina? And be sure to give them MEGA applause for responding to a smaller tragedy.
And if it was blanco’s fault in Louisiana, then doesnt sebelius get credit for the state’s performance in kansas?
Consistancy. It’s not just for breakfast anymore…
And since BUSH didnt clean up our state, why would I thank him?
Uh solly, I think if you packed that many humans, with nothing to lose, in a place like either the convention center or the dome, in either city, they would behave badly.
If you put kansans in the same situation, I think they would react the same way. But dont compare the two. Apples and oranges and all…
First of all Sol….the claims you make indicate you are referring to NO right after the storm. Second, you should check your facts as the Silverdome is in Michigan, and the Superdome is in NO. Seems to me that you might be slightly confused on this topic. Keep that in mind before you make points that you can’t back up. Or simply refuse to back up.
ATTN EVERYONE! THE PEOPLE THAT DIED IN THE SUPERDOME AFTER KATRINA WERE ALL RELATED TO NATURAL CAUSES. PEOPLE WERE NOT KILLING EACH OTHER RANDOMLY IN THE SUPERDOME. HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO HEAR IT. NOT ONE CASE WAS BROUGHT DUE TO ANY VIOLENCE IN THE SUPERDOME.
Reports out of New Orleans on September 1 stated that victims of Hurricane Katrina were being raped and beaten and that fights and fires were out of control, leaving corpses laying in the open as the city descended into anarchy.
en.wikinews.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_Orleans_sharply_increases_after_Hurricane_Katrina
Police said a woman was stabbed to death Tuesday night — the first such incident in 90 days, a record in this city.Since Hurricane Katrina forced most of the residents to relocate, police say, the daily shootings and killings have stopped.”This was the most lethal criminal underclass in the United States,” said Dr. Peter Scharf, director of the University of New Orleans Center for Society, Law and Justice. “We were heading for a murder rate of 72 per 100,000. New York City is at seven.”abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1320056
This may come as a shock, but New Orleans has some problems. Chief among them: erratic crime, rising sea levels, and a thoroughly unhinged jackass of a mayor who was elected by wealthy Uptowners and bussed-in, destitute evacuees–neither of whom have to deal with his shit because the former can always jet off to Gstaad and the latter still live in Houston.neworleans.metblogs.com/
On Aug. 29, 2005, New Orleans was on track to finish the year as the deadliest city in America, again. Crime had become atomized here–it was part of the culture, the air, the dark humor of the place. Under normal circumstances, criminologists believe, there are two ways to stop a cycle of gang violence: either dismantle the gangs or disrupt their business. In New Orleans, both happened overnight. Hurricane Katrinatime.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1194016,00.html
Crime has returned to New Orleans with a vengeance. Younger criminals, fighting turf and drug wars, are more violent than before. Police lack equipment to catch them. And arrests often achieve little due to an overtaxed criminal justice system.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5640177
Try again Mike, these stories are before, durring and after.
Yup, dicredit everything I say because I got the names of the domes confused.
Nice try fella.
Both sources said no one had been murdered inside the stadium.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002520986_katmyth26.html
Bully Mike, score one for you. You are entirely correct on the Superdome. As per the rest….
NEW ORLEANS — On Sept. 1, with desperate Hurricane Katrina evacuees crammed into the convention center, Police Chief Eddie Compass reported: “We have individuals who are getting raped; we have individuals who are getting beaten.”
Five days later, he told Oprah Winfrey that babies were being raped. On the same show, Mayor Ray Nagin warned: “They have people standing out there, have been in that frickin’ Superdome for five days watching dead bodies, watching hooligans killing people, raping people.”
The ugliest reports — children with slit throats, women dragged off and raped, corpses piling up in the basement — soon became a searing image of post-Katrina New Orleans.
The stories were told by residents trapped inside the Superdome and convention center and were repeated by public officials. Many news organizations, including The Associated Press, carried the witness accounts and official pronouncements, and in some cases later repeated the claims as fact, without attribution.http://www.ww4report.com/node/1131
During the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the entire nation (including myself) was stunned by reports of savage violence inside the flooded city, especially the stories of rape, assault, and murder that were reportedly occurring at the convention center. The horrific stories, repeated by officials such as as New Orleans Mayor Nagin, soon dove-tailed into condemnation of the “sluggish” federal response, led by President Bush. Well, lo and behold, it appears that almost all of these stories were simply untrue.
In a story for the Associated Press, reporter Michelle Roberts details how major news organizations simply took rumors at face value, spinning reckless accounts of mass rape and murder. These accounts quickly began to drive the policy debate, as they were repeated by officials and pundits alike. Mayor Nagin, reacting to today’s AP report, sought again to avoid the blame, suggesting through a spokeswoman that he was too “trusting” of rumor spewing officials.
As reports of the media’s despicable hysteria begin to leak out, one wonders if an investigation into their role in spreading panic is more justified than an inquiry into the federal government’s response.http://moonbatcentral.com/wordpress/?p=1420
Seattle Timeshttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002520986_katmyth26.html
And from the most credible news organiztion in the world FOX NEWShey have no official reports of rape and no eyewitnesses to sexual assault. The state Department of Health and Hospitals counted 10 dead at the Superdome (search) and four at the convention center. Only two of those are believed to have been murdered.
One of those victims — found at the Superdome — appears to have been killed elsewhere before being brought to the stadium, said Bob Johannessen, the agency spokesman.
“It was a chaotic time for the city. Now that we’ve had a chance to reflect back on that situation, we’re able to say right now that things were not the way they appeared,” said police Capt. Marlon Defillo.
Sally Forman, a spokeswoman for Nagin, said the mayor was relying on others for his information about conditions at the evacuation sites. “He was listening to officials, trusting that information they were providing was accurate,” she said.
To be sure, conditions at both sites were chaotic. Water was rising around the Superdome, home to 20,000 evacuees. Toilets were backing up, garbage was rotting, fights were breaking out. Food was in short supply at the convention center, where about 19,000 people took shelter from the rising waters. The temperature was climbing. The elderly and very young were desperate for food, water and medicine.
Police said they saw muzzle flashes at the convention center, and a National Guard member was shot in the leg when an evacuee tried to take his gun.
A week after the floodwaters poured into the city, an Arkansas National Guardsman told The Times-Picayune of New Orleans that soldiers had discovered 30 to 40 bodies inside a freezer in the convention center’s food area. Guardsman Mikel Brooks told the newspaper that some of the dead appeared to have met violent ends, including “a 7-year-old with her throat cut.”
When the convention center was swept, however, no such pile of bodies was found.
Lt. Col. Jacques Thibodeaux of the Louisiana National Guard said reports of violence at the Superdome and the convention center were overblown. He was head of security at the Superdome and led the 1,000 military police and infantrymen who went in to secure the center on Sept. 2.
“The incidents were highly exaggerated” — the result of fear and hopelessness, he said. “For the amount of the people in the situation, it was a very stable environment.”
Thibodeaux said his guard unit received no reports of rape.
Bill Waldron, a homicide detective from Florida in New Orleans for a murder trial, was stuck in the convention center until Sept. 1. He said he saw a couple of fights between young men, but “no murders, no rapes.” He said that he did see people dying, but that those deaths were most likely a result of the heat and lack of water.
“People were wanting just some type of authority to come in and say, `Hey, this is what’s going to happen,”‘ Waldron said. “People were scared.”
New Orleans District Attorney Eddie Jordan said officials at the morgue in St. Gabriel have identified four apparent homicide victims from the city. All were shot and all were adults. Police arrested one person on suspicion of attempted sexual assault but received no official reports of rape.
Yeah not only did you get the name of the dome wrong…….the rest of your post was bs too.
Yeah Mike, they must be getting desperate. Between roscoe and meadowpoop, the resident lie mongers, and solly blindly striking out at anything that moves…
…truth seems to be the major casualty.
They just want to spew rhetoric that they have heard. Facts don’t matter. Remember they are people of faith. And faith does not require fact.
And now enjoy the silence.
Give Sebelius a break, sheesh. She did her job. As far as comparisons with NO, Nagin and the governor did not do their job, but they also had a much bigger job to do.And the city had a far higher percentage of people who were dependent on the government to take care of them. The government failed (as it usually does). A prime reason to NOT depend on the government.
Two veteran photojournalists – NPPA member Rick Wilking of Reuters and Getty’s Mark Wilson – were robbed of cameras and computer equipment today while on assignment in a neighborhood in New Orleans, and a photojournalist and a reporter were confronted at gunpoint and slammed against a wall by police following a shoot-out between looters and cops that left at least one person dead.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2005/09/hurricane2.html
So home he went, about two months after the storm, to his old turf, and his old career.
Months later, Duplessis was dead. He was found fatally shot Aug. 4 on the steps of a trailer in the working-class neighborhood of Gentilly. It made for a minor post-Katrina story, but a depressingly common one in a city with a homicide rate that was the highest in the nation in the last six months, and about 15 times the national average.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-murder15feb15,0,3218523.story?track=tottext
Updated: 7:47 p.m. ET Sept 4, 2005NEW ORLEANS – Police shot and killed at least five people Sunday after gunmen opened fire on a group of contractors traveling across a bridge on their way to make repairs, authorities said.Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said police shot at eight people carrying guns, killing five or six.msnbc.msn.com/id/9208195/
Reporter Tim Harper and photographer Lucas Oleniuk of the Canadian Toronto Star daily were the victims of police violence while covering a clash between police and looters. The police threatened them several times at gunpoint and, when they realised Oleniuk had photographed them hitting looters, they hurled him to the ground, grabbed his two cameras and removed memory cards containing around 350 pictures. His press card was also torn from him. When he asked for his pictures back, the police insulted him and threatened to hit him.
rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=14894
The gangland-style killings of five teenagers in New Orleans over the weekend punctuated a troubling trend in the hurricane-ravaged city: Murder is returning to normal faster than other facets of city life.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-18-new-orleans-murder_x.htm
Drummer Dinerral Shavers was shot and killed just after Christmas while driving with his wife and child in New Orleans. So his group — the Hot 8 Brass Band — played a jazz funeral in New Orleans Saturday. It’s the third time in its 10-year history the band has played a funeral for one of its own members.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6735417
New Orleans still drowning in crimeTo recover from Katrina, city must stop the violence, says NICOLE GELINAS02:49 PM CDT on Sunday, May 13, 2007You don’t have to go to Baghdad to see what happens when government loses its monopoly on force; just visit New Orleans.More than a year and a half after Katrina hit in late August 2005, violent crime – already a grave problem long before the storm – pervades the city, endangering its recovery by driving some good people away and keeping others from returning.dcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-gelinas_13edi.ART.State.Edition1.4310bb0.html
Mike & Farmie,Took a while to sort through the hundreds of thousands of hits when you -use the google- with New Orleans and violence in the search bar.
I guess the ‘truth’ and ‘facts’ for Mike & Farmie are where they choose to look – and stop looking.
Still enjoying the silence? Most violent city in America?
Your attempt to convolute the facts is inept at best. You make statements that immediately after the hurricane people were robbing, looting, killing, and raping others. When the fact is all of those stories were exaggerated. You then try to back up those facts with incidents that happened long after the city was evacuated. Am I debating whether NO was violent and currupt prior to Katrina? No I am not. But let’s not convolute the facts that most of the deaths were heat and water related. NO was not quite the war zone that you would like us to believe.
Farmie the thing you are overlooking in your search for the real truth: Having lived through both hurricaines and tornados as you said you have you know the major difference. The mayor of NO and the Gov. of LA. has days of warning and did NOTHING to get their people out of harms way. The people of Greensbury had minutes.
That smell must be coming from you as I have said before. Better have your eyes checked also. I think you have a problem with perception.
NO has been and is now one of the most if not the most crime ridden city in the US. Just ask Huston about the citizens they imported.
I saw this with my own eyes in 1978. Their own Chamber of Commerce had to warn us tourists to stay away from the ‘projects’. Goverment housing at it’s best. Even the NO law enforcement would not go in there.
When comparing the two – at least be honest about the circumstances. Liberals – honesty – in the same sentence. Sorry about that!
OK Mike, let’s take the stories of post Katrina out of the picture. Let’s take a look at the city before and after Katrina. Most Violent City in America. War zone? 15 times the average murder rate? The drastic rise in crime rates of the cities Katrina victims mobilized to?
Katrina hits and the city sings kumbaya. Do you seriously believe that?
Not to mention the Police Officers who failed to respond and quit and those who joined in the looting…
OMG germie, that is TOO funny.
1978? hehehehe. Thirty years ago? heheheheh. Yes, PLEASE use that as an example of N.O. today…
I think MOST large cities would advise you to stay away from crime ridden areas. I notice they didnt say stay away from the WHOLE city, just a high crime area.
Wanna bet they do the same thing in Kansas City? Would you advise tourists to avoid the crime ridden areas of Wichita?
I spent a LOT of time in N.O. when I lived in southeast Texas. I dont think anyone here, least of all Mike or I, is debating that N.O. is crime ridden. Please post where either of us said that.
No, you and solly just want to distract from the MASSIVE failure of bush’s fema by using the bright and shiney object of crime. Which existed before and after the hurricane. Just like in other cities.
And bushco was LESS prepared for the aftermath of the hurricane than Walmart. Hell, fema folks ever turned away Walmart trucks with water. Nice job.
Spin it however you want, blame the victims, whatever. Bushco’s FEMA blew it before, during and after Katrina.
I know that is hard for you to admit, that dear leader and his merry band of cronies are not perfect. In fact, they let a major American city go unreconstructed. For how many years?
NOW do you want to talk about truth?
Or do you just want to continue avoiding it?
Please, keep posting the spin. Everytime you post germie, a DEMOCRATIC angel gets it’s wings.
Not to mention that the rest of us get a good belly laugh from your nonsense.
hmmmmm…..
“Not to mention the Police Officers who failed to respond and quit and those who joined in the looting…”
WOuld that also include the SOLDIERS in Greensburg who were arrested for looting?
The original post is post Greensburg tornado and post NO Katrina. I am not debating that NO was a safe and peaceful city prior to Katrina. My point to you is the immediate aftermath(the 5 days waiting for FEMA to show up) was not a killing, raping, and otherwise pilaging that was exaggerated, that you chose to repeat as fact. It was proven that the stories of piled up bodies, children being killed, rapes of women were highly exaggerated. Let’s not twist the facts. I know it is hard, but let’s try…shall we?
Solly, you keep harping about N.O.’s crime rate. Mike and I are not disputing that.
It STILL doesnt excuse bushco and their cronies deposited at fema for their AWFUL response to the tragedy…
… and Mike, pointing out the errors of THEIR stories does not excuse the crimes that were indeed committed.
But DONT act like the crime in N.O. had the pussy bushco minions afraid to go to Louisiana.
If THAT is the case? No wonder the iraq war is such a failure…
The story here is a good one and needs to get out–
Bush officials are the puppet masters of a right-wing noise machine.
When Sebelius complained about Kansas Nat. Guard in Iraq, an e-mail quickly circulated picked up by the national press that DNC Chairman Howard Dean had told her to say that.
That was a damned LIE made up out of whole cloth.
Now, she was “jazzing it up for two days in New Orleans” according to Bob Novak, the same Bob Novak that outed Valerie Plame, the same COVERT CIA agent that the right-wing LIED was not covert until recently released court documents proved she really was covert.
It’s a pattern of behavior–smear and jeer against any and all public voices against Bush Co.
And never a moment’s regret about the lies or the spreading of those lies . . . the ends justify the means, might makes right.
…and they would have trashed ANYONE who took Cindy Sheehan’s position.
“It’s a pattern of behavior–smear and jeer against any and all public voices against Bush Co.”
Yep, it’s a pattern. Just look at what happens here. It’s “dear leader uber alles”.
hee hee hee hee
Maybe this is why the hard core 28 percenters like germie, paulie, and solly have their panties in a knot?
It’s hard to be a republican pimp these days….
“Rasmussen: Number of Republicans in U.S. reaches all-time new low”
http://www.rasmussenresearch.com/2007/April%20Dailies/P...
Since Dems lead among independents, if independents become a bigger voting bloc than Republicans, they’re toast.
I maintain that I started the DNC rumor in a post here. My thinking was that it was probably true since the guv wasn’t stupid or dishonest enough to say what she did about the Kansas guard without prompting.
I suppose it’s possible that she is.
I’m only kidding about starting the rumor, although I did post about it a day before the claims began.
Outlander–
That’s so stupid on so many levels.
But it does show a breathtaking level of narcassism . . .
I had no doubt that you wouldn’t get anything tongue in cheek, Capn. That’s why I wrote the clarifier.
OMG, now outlander is taking pride in being the FIRST to post a lie?
Is that what’s called honor among thieves?
Good grief! Thanks for that oh so christian example of how to respond to the “thou shalt not lie” commandment.
Just say “well, I broke it first”…
Jesus WEPT!
Not a lie. Speculation. And quite possibly true. i don’t like to think of our governor as dishonest. I would rather think of her as a pawn.
Howard Dean wept!
heheheheheheh.
I see. The FIRST to post lies wins?
And nowhere do I see outlander acknowledging that he posted a lie and apologizing for it.
Proves that being a con means you never have to say you are sorry.
Proves that lies are just another day at the office for the religious reich.
Proves that you cant take a damn thing they post as truth. If THEY refuse to fact check, why are they pissed if we fact check FOR them?
Proves that it is ok to lie if you are just repeating the right wing noise in the mighty wurlitzer of perpetual lies?
Oh, but it’s all a joke….
Funny, I didnt see any smilies posted along with lies.
So if I “speculate” that bush was found with both a live boy and a dead girl in his bed, it would be ok to post it here as TRUTH?
I mean, it could be “quite possibly true.”
And NO WHERE did you post that it was speculation. You and meadowpoop, the other religious liar here, BOTH repeated it as TRUTH, not speculation.
And even now, when BOTH the Howard Dean and Jazzfest rumors have been PROVEN to be untrue, you want to spin them as “speculation. And quite possibly true”?
Good GREIF outie. Thanks for giving us some insight into your moral relativism. Hell, even values boy says if you are a genetic liar you should make better choices.
A christian like outie spreading and re-spreading lies as truth. Knowingly. Say it isnt so….
Hey, there is a rumor and speculation that laura left the shrub and he is taking up with condi.
It could be quite possibly true. Should I post it as such?
Oh, and the 9/11 conspiracy theories? Just rumor and speculation, but they are quite possibly true.
Who would have imagined that outie would treat the truth the same as rosie?
hehehehehehehehehehhehehe……
OMG. Outie and meadowpoop. The very definition of how, in republican world, truthiness always trumps truth….
“Some sections of New Orleans-area levees had been poorly constructed because of poor planning and botched contract work.12 State and local agencies had failed to plan adequately for the transportation, housing, and security that would be needed during an extended crisis. Once the hurricane bore down on New Orleans, local officials waited too long to issue an evacuation order that failed to account for the poorest residents…Though fema could have used an infusion of experienced professionals, simply repeating the Witt recipe for reorganization would not have addressed the challenges of the twenty-first century…Witt initially had refused to take on more responsibility for terrorism preparedness because he thought the threat was too unpredictable for the agency to be able to address effectively. After 9–11, the country had no choice but to consider terrorism.
The media broadcast images of fema agents rushing to disaster sites and fema relief workers helping communities rebuild, all of which reinforced the public’s belief that the federal government owed the disaster-stricken public. Stories of federal relief were far more widespread than stories of investors and local governments choosing to invest in hurricane- or flood-prone areas, gambling that the federal government would bear the cost of rebuilding.
The Katrina disaster exposed the disconnect between preparation and response. Though the possibility of a catastrophic hurricane and flood was a staple of local lore and expert reports, New Orleans failed to plan for Katrina with the urgency and specificity that the response required.16 Plans were made but never thoroughly rehearsed. To take one example, the National Response Plan, adopted in December 2004 with great fanfare, gives the dhs broad authority during a catastrophe to deploy “key essential resources” such as medical and search and rescue teams, shelters, and supplies even without a request from state authorities. In the event of a catastrophe on the scale of Katrina, the plan notes, “A detailed and credible common operating picture may not be achievable for 24 to 48 hours (or longer) after the incident. As a result, response activities must begin without the benefit of a detailed or complete situation and critical needs assessment.”17 The secretary of homeland security possesses the legal authority to bypass normal disaster procedures to begin rescue missions and to deliver aid. The Katrina response, however, did not follow the spirit of the plan. Despite federal authority to deliver resources soon after or even before a disaster, federal officials complained that they were slowed because state and local leaders did not request resources soon enough. At each level of government, leaders failed to hash out their differences beforehand. As a result, officials ran into communications roadblocks that should have been uncovered before the disaster struck. “
hoover.org/publications/policyreview/3402076.html
Sebelius was not where she should have been. If it were Overland Park or somewhere in northeast Kansas, she would of been back right away. What can you expect from a non-Kansan.
Jeebus steve. I’m going to take the post as a joke.
‘Cause if BUSH had been where he was supposed to be, instead of in California playing air guitar…
…the disaster would have been better managed?
I must have missed the law that says no governor may leave the state just in case there is a disaster. And she had no warning for Greensburg.
And bush? And his warnings about Katrina? Eh… not so much….
Even if she showed up 10 min. after the tornados, what good would that have done? Sebelius showing her face in the city is only a feel good for the citizens. Her job was done. There was a disaster recovery plan in effect, and by all accounts, well executed. She could have been on the damn moon. The plan was in place and was executed. What is the big damn deal?
She didn’t sit on her hands and bitch to the white house for help. She actually helped her state. The state actually took responsibility immediately and went to work. Would y’all (who are complaining about her whereabouts) be happier if she showed up 10 min latter and just sat on her hands screaming for federal aid? For the federal gov’t to clean everything up?
Republicans are such liars. They would have one believe that the Gov. was in NO, taking calls from the DNC on talking points about Greensburg. They spread the lies, and don’t even have the decency to retract them, once their caught lying.
Yup, kfg. If you say that the following was a lie then I’m guilty. Personally though, I think you are full of it, as usual.
Speculating in a post that the DNC was just looking for a chance to use the governors’ complaints about the National Guard levels. That they saw it a chance to use this disaster for political purposes this disaster, and perhaps called the governor to remind her.
Reasonable. Of course. As I said before, I would rather think that the guv was a pawn, than to think she was dishonest.
Oh, and kfg, did you bother to read the referenced post before accusing me of lying? Of course not.
Outlander, really patiently now…
You posted a lie. I have no way of knowing if you did it deliberately, but at the very least, you didnt fact check the wingnut spin machine.
And when confronted with the lie? You said it was “speculation. Quite possibly true”.
So even though you KNOW it’s a lie, I have only seen you weakly defend and excuse your posting of a lie.
How is that NOT violating the “thou shalt not LIE” commandment?
Spin away. But if I were you, I’d observe the first rule of holes…
I saw no reference in your post outie. Just a defense of your admitted “truthiness”. No links, no post to reference.
And your truthiness still stands. Still want to defend it? I’m sure terry fox could tell you how best to spin a lie…
Is your previous post a 180 degree turn Sol? Are you now stating that our governor did the right thing? If so, I applaud your courage to admit a wrong. Congrats and welcome back to reality.
Maybe if the governor’s plane hadn’t been in Iraq she could have returned earlier! Gee, that comment sounds as stupid as she does!
Why would anyone, anywhere, buy into a rumor being started by Robert Novak?
to quote the Chimp Himself: “Rarely is the question asked–is our children learning?”
Well, is they?
Good lord. There is absolutely nothing too dirty, too deceitful, too bottom-of-the-deck for this Administration and its lackies. Nothing.
Chuckle. I’d give you the same advice kfg. Oh, and to get real.
Grrl, if you took all the times that anyone (pick anyone) here had speculated about motivations (which is what I did) and called it a lie, well, let’s just say it illustrates the absurdity of what you’re selling.
How many times has President Bush been accused of lying with no direct evidence? Lying about lying or speculation?
Enough of this stupid and foolish argument.
Mike, try re-reading my post. Where have I said anything negative about your local and state gov’t.
My gripe is the freakin hand out monkies that want to blame Bush for NO. It was the Fu@k up mayor and governor. I actually used YOUR governor to expose that.
Nice try though.
“As I said before, I would rather think that the guv was a pawn, than to think she was dishonest.”
False dilemma, outlander, and you know it.
She was neither a pawn nor dishonest, unless you’re going to say that the other 49 GOVERNORS who signed a letter complaining about their state’s National Guard getting pulled away to Iraq were also “pawns or dishonest.”
The dishonest pawn goes by the name of outlander.
Talk about a false, disingenuous argument, Capn. (lying?) The fact that the governors complained has nothing to do with this particular situation (Greensburg)!
In fact, it is evidence that would support the later contrived political use of the complaints.
Whaddaya know, ANOTHER governor taking responsibility and action in the face of a crisis.
Gov. Perry Activates State Resources in Advance of Severe StormsAUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today authorized the activation of search and rescue teams and equipment for deployment in advance of severe storms expected across Texas
Sure beats the hell out of waiting for someone else to wipe your butt eh Nagin, but then again, you might have to be responsible and actually do some work.
“Good GREIF outie. Thanks for giving us some insight into your moral relativism. Hell, even values boy says if you are a genetic liar you should make better choices.
“A christian like outie spreading and re-spreading lies as truth. Knowingly. Say it isnt so….”
This is disturbing. I used to think that outlander was not deliberately spreading falsehoods, but rather that he believed his delusions. With this admission he has put himself in the troll category along with Republitroll. I suggest ignoring what he writes, consider it graffiti, and walk on by without comment…
See where Willy Wonka Nagin is blaming Blanco and Bush for all of New Orleans’ woes? Once again, the black man can’t help himself and has to transfer the blame to everyone else!
And as for $ebeliu$, she played the political card by blaming Bush for not having enough equipment in Greensburg. If you want to ruin a state, go back to Ohio!
And STILL outlander wont admit he lied, and then spread that lie again by downgrading it to “speculation”?
I’m tellin’ ya. Being a con means never having to say you are sorry.
Liberal Democrats never lie except when they talk, type, write or generally communicate.
Of course it is easier for them as they use both sides of their mouth and use eraser pens. :)
TillerHaterHave you not seen the video of the Director of the National Hurricane center warning Prez Shrub of the impending storm? And by your name I am assuming you are part of Operation Rescue. Is that a safe assumption?
“Have you not seen the video of the Director of the National Hurricane center warning Prez Shrub of the impending storm? ”
And Nagin and Blanco had no warning. Why didn’t they evacuate the city and AVOID the casualties?
Ok Steven. Let’s hear it. Why did you say that I am “deliberately spreading falshoods” (lying)? I expect childish partisan crap from kfg, but not you. Just when you think you respect someone. Oh well.
As a matter of fact, Steven, don’t bother to reply.
Nagin issued an evacuation order, Solly. So what was it Nagin and Blanco were supposed to do? Forcibly remove people from their homes? Send them all marching North? Do you have any idea what it takes to evacuate a city of 500,000? Obviously not. Could Nagin and Blanco have done more? Perhaps, but I seriously doubt it. When an area faces a disaster of this magnitude, a federal response is required and relied upon. Bush sat on his ass and did nothing. FEMA’s response was utterly incompetent. Quit trying to shift blame, Solly — you have no idea what you’re talking about.
“I maintain that I started the DNC rumor in a post here. My thinking was that it was probably true since the guv wasn’t stupid or dishonest enough to say what she did about the Kansas guard without prompting.
“I suppose it’s possible that she is.
“Posted by: outlander | May 31, 2007 at 10:09 AM
“I’m only kidding about starting the rumor, although I did post about it a day before the claims began.
“Posted by: outlander | May 31, 2007 at 10:13 AM”
Even though you are not interested in my response, since I am calling for pretty significant action against you, I figure you deserve a response.
I used to think that you deliberately posted falsehoods to serve a narrow minded ideological agenda. When I met you at the Eagle sponsored meet-up, I concluded that you were sincere, but just a victim of impoverished ideology – hence the “believing your delusions” remark. Your behavior today suggests you post deliberate provocative remarks in the interest of who knows what; much like Republitroll. Thus, my suggestion of considering your postings as graffiti.
Thank you.
If ANY of you trusts one word coming out of this administration about ANYTHING, then you are a fool. How many times do you have to be lied to till you get it? The Bush Administration is all about covering its own collective butt while destroying the reputation of anyone who disagrees with them or calls them out on their lies and distortions. How pathetic that these are the people running this once respected and great country.
Uber,Just how many busses were destroyed instead of saved (and full of saved people) by water? Could they have done more, perhaps? Uhm, the city was the mayor and governor’s responsibility. They should be the first ones hung out to dry. But hand out monkeys would rather jump on the Bush band wagon.
Houston did a pretty good job of evacuating 1,953,631 people. I guess it is asking too much to evacuate ¼ of that number. Those that didn’t want to leave were handed permanent markers. They were asked to write their SSN on several parts of their body so that when the corpse was found, the parts could be identified. Most folks complied and packed out.
FEMA is built to SUPPORT the state infrastructure. The state has the responsibility for its own people. Or are you of the socialist mindset that the gov’t should be running your life.
“Liberal Democrats never lie except when they talk, type, write or generally communicate.”
Wouldn’t you know, Repuke is crying “Liar”. What a hypocrite! The worst liar and name stealer on the blog. What a worthless POS.
Sometimes I think it has to be a partisan blindness or thickness that makes people see things that aren’t there.
OK Steve, how do you take what you quoted and get that I lied or deliberately started a false rumor?
My thought, as expressed was that my idea may have got someone to thinking, since my speculation was posted May 9th and this all started May 10th. We were all wondering at that time why Sebelius made that questionable, partisan comment when rescue and recovery efforts were all going so well.
Go back to May 9th and actually read my entry. Then get yourself oriented in time and follow the comments down the line. If you still think the same, well so be it. I would be surprised, but then I was surprised before.
SolDevVB,
“Houston did a pretty good job of evacuating 1,953,631 people.”
Gridlock and traffic standing still does NOT = a “pretty good job”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_rita“By late Thursday morning, the contraflow lanes had been ordered after it was determined that the state’s highway system had become gridlocked. The Texas Department of Transportation was unprepared to execute such a large-scale evacuation.”
Ah, one of the fisters broke their vow of silence and trolled under a different name.
–Which proves my point! :D
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_28.html#comment-71041282
Bush did not go into hiding. He was reading a book to children and handled it just as a leader should. Without putting fear into the childrens minds. He calmly completed and then excused himself and did what I would hope any great leader would do. He thought things through……he stayed away from the media until the situation was assesed and then made his comments. It is so easy for all you left wing idiots to sit around and judge how the president handled 9/11. Have you people once every put yourself in the shoes of the president? Have you been in so many situations like that, you know exactly what to do and how to react? I swear, all of you arm chair politicians should go hang out with Chavez for about a year and come back appreciating what we have in the U.S.
Sebelious politicized the Greensburg situation. That is all there is to it. Getting her little pop shot in was more important than just handling the situation. Typical for the left. Constantly on the look out for who to point a finger at next.
Gee cosmos, seems to have been quite a bit better than NO.
Holy crap man, Houston evacuated just south of 2 million people – 2 MILLION PEOPLE – Opened up both directions of the highway to outbound traffic, and you are complaining about traffic jams. Get in freakin touch with reality.
The problem with NO was there WAS no traffic jam. The local administration FAILED to evacuate its people. You are unbelievable cosmos.
I think jared and solly have themselves worked up enough for us to call the Waaaaaaambulance for them today.
As far as Katrina…….there is no possible way that any government would be prepared for that situation. I don’t care how many drills you run…..how many repairs are done on the levy’s…it doesn’t matter. Nothing could possibly prepare us for a disaster of the size. The warning were put out just as they are every time a hurricane is heading our way and 90% of the people who stayed were capable of leaving. It had nothing to do with the color of skin. People chose not to leave. There were days of warning. If people did not have the money to leave they could have found a way out. For crying out loud they had 4 days warning. If I truely felt threatened my butt would be walking out. But in reality…..who would have thought that there would be that much distruction? There is no one to blame. Not global warming. Not republicans or democrats. Not the black man or the white man. It was a natural disaster that would have been impossible to prepare for. It is easy for everyone to look back after the fact and have all these things to point out that were done wrong. That’s easy! A monkey can do that. Be put in the situation and see how muh better you do.
Walk on by . . . walk on by . . .
Now for something interesting:
Judge says letters about convicted ex-Cheney aide will be released in CIA leak case© AP
2007-05-31 17:57:47 -
WASHINGTON (AP) – A federal judge said Thursday he will release more than 150 letters he received regarding next week’s sentencing of I. Lewis Libby, former chief of staff for Vice President Dick Cheney who was convicted in the CIA leak case.
Libby, convicted in March of perjury and obstruction of justice, had asked thatthe letters not be released. Attorneys for several news organizations argued that the law required that the letters be made public.
U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton agreed, citing a need for transparency.
“The court has received more than 150 sentencing letters in this case, some urging leniency for the defendant and some expressing opprobrium at the defendant’s actions and calling for the imposition of a substantial prison sentence,” Walton wrote.
http://www.pr-inside.com/judge-says-letters-about-convicted-ex-cheney-r140161.htm
Well . . . that should be interesting. Who wrote on Libby’s behalf and why?
Solly, my girlfriend lives in NORTH Houston and she did not evacuate because the roads were so crowded it took HOURS just to get five miles from home.
And all those folks stranded on those highways? They were worried about being caught when the hurricane arrived. Out on the highway in a car with no way to move.
It was a nightmare. My sweetie decided just to take her chances where she was rather than die on the highway with her pets and ill friend.
I was furious that she didnt evacuate, and fortunately for all of us, she and her brood were ok.
But it could have been veeeeery different with just a shift in the gulf. Dont let anyone fool you. The “evacuation” was a disaster.
And Perry is still clinging to that strategy. Do you know if they summoned every ambulance in Texas, it wouldnt be enough to evacuate all the patients at the medical school hospital in Galveston?
Houston evacuates 2,000,000. NO can’t get 500,000 out. But blame Bush. Wait, then praise Bush for getting Houston squared away.
Waaaambulance? Did you hurt yourself farmie? Got a little skinned knee there honey? Or is it your hind end hurting because you can’t blame Bush for everything and get away with it?
ksfarmgrrl…..
Your response is typical. Go drink your kool aide and get your fingers ready to point the blame.
I’ll give my life to someone who could succesfully evacuate 2 million people in 2 days without mass confusion. What the hell are you people smoking? Most parents can’t heard 3 kids without mass confusion and people are sitting around complaining and concerned about N.O. and Houston and how much chaos there was. Of course there was chaos. If it happened once a month there would still be chaos. Management of disaster will never be smooth.
SolDevVB explained himself completely when he referred to the citizens of New Orleans as “monkies” (sic)
“My gripe is the freakin hand out monkies that want to blame Bush for NO. It was the Fu@k up mayor and governor. I actually used YOUR governor to expose that.
Nice try though.
Posted by: SolDevVB | May 31, 2007 at 10:55 AM”
In normal society, that insult is considered the worst racial epithet.
And to remind some folks, the poster known as is on ignore until further notice.
SolDevVB,
* You cannot force people to evacuate.* People were more willing to evacuate after Katrina’s impact.* The Houston evacuation plan FAILED — until the TX DOT spent 8 to 10 hours to setup contraflow lanes.* Fortunately, there was more time to evacuate for Rita than Katrina.
“My gripe is the freakin hand out *monkeys* that want to blame Bush for NO”
Now WS, before you make yourself look anymore foolish, let’s look at the way you lie about a person’s post, even when you paste it within your post.
Now, did I say the people from NO blamed ANYONE? Please paste that piece specifically. If you put your glasses back on, it says the people who want to blame Bush.
Have you had your prescription (yeah that would be both for your glasses AND your medication) checked recently?
So, are you a liar? Are you ignorant? Or can you just not comprehend?
Cosmos,
From a previous post, the civil servants sent to evacuate the city gave people who wanted to stay permanent markers and asked them to put their SSN on as many body parts as they could. They explained that when their corpse was found, the SSN would help identifying the pieces. It was effective.
Did they get everyone out? Nope, but I bet they got a hell of a lot more out than did NO.
Was the plan flawless? Could it be called a failure? Some would, some wouldn’t. It took TDOT too long to get the highways squared away, but by God they were out there trying. More than can be said for the NO infrastructure?
Now, Houston is on the gulf coast and should have pretty good evacuation plans. NO is a freakin BOWL BELOW SEA LEVEL. Don’t you think they REALLY should have had their poop in a group?
“Now WS, before you make yourself look anymore foolish, let’s look at the way you lie about a person’s post, even when you paste it within your post.”
Mr. DevVB – I was commenting on your reference to the mostly black people of New Orleans was “monkies.” (sic)
That was my point – it is considered to be a highly racist comment to make such a reference. I was commenting on that point. I noticed that you did not refer to other people in such terms.
Thank you for asking about my prescriptions. I do not wear glasses while using the computer and my medication is up to date.
I think perhaps you might be well served with a bit of penance for your racial remarks, Mr. DevVB.
A good Christian would realize that a sin can only be forgiven is the sinner repents.
Take a breath, Sollie.
The hurricane per se killed hardly anyone in New Orleans.
The emergancy workers were high fiving themselves on Sunday morning thinking they had dodged a bullet.
What killed people was the flooding when the levees gave way much later.
They gave way because they weren’t maintained properly by the Army Corps.
And they weren’t maintained because of Bush and Republican funding cuts.
The Republican government could have prevented the massive destruction in New Orleans if they had wanted to.
They didn’t want to.
Evacuations are a moot point. No one would have had to evacuate if the government–federal government–had done its job.
But the party of personal responsibility only makes OTHER people be responsible . . .
kathleen sebelius didn’t get back to kansas from new orleans until 10pm on saturday night.
she was informed of the tornado’s destruction friday night.
pat roberts, tiahrt and moran were in Greensburg before noon on Saturday.
sebelius didn’t get there until 245.
what gives?why was she still in New Orleans? at the very least she should have come back to the state.
but no, she didn’t, she remained in New Orleans while people suffered.
she could have gotten the disaster declarations ready.
but no, she didn’t, she remained out of state on “vacation”
it took her longer to make executive orders helping greensburg than it did for her to make executive orders helping New Orleans during Katrina.
why?
why so long?
And they weren’t maintained because of Bush and Republican funding cuts.
Another shot at Bush!!! They knew about the levy’s for years. They knew about it when Clinton was president. So why is it Bush’s fault? Oh, that’s right because he is to blame for everything. I believe there were more funding cuts during Clinton’s tenure.
I guess you failed to read the article, Captain Pointy.
Typical right winger – facts optional.
“I believe there were more funding cuts during Clinton’s tenure.”
Provide some back up, Jared, because that is false.
“But the party of personal responsibility only makes OTHER people be responsible . . . ”
UMMM??? Didn’t you just make Bush and the Republican party responsible? when you said……
“They gave way because they weren’t maintained properly by the Army Corps.
And they weren’t maintained because of Bush and Republican funding cuts.”
Here ya go…..New York Time 1993
NATIONAL DESKCorps of Engineers Looking Warily for New RoleBy JON NORDHEIMERThe Army Corps of Engineers, once the well-oiled machine that could be counted on to move earth and perhaps even a piece of heaven with the right Congressional appropriation, is agonizing in the opening days of the Clinton Administration over reorganization, lean budgets and belt-tightening. Appropriations for the Corps have dried up faster than a dammed wetland in the last few years as Federal budget deficits and military cutbacks reduced money for massive engineering projects to a trickle.
February 28, 1993 U.S. News
WS, you are a hand out monkey. Are you offended?
Specifics, Jared, specifics. There are literally hundreds of waterworks projects. You said that Clinton cut funding for the levees for New Orleans.
By the way, the budget for the Army Corps of Engineers in February 1993 would have been the George Herbert Walker Bush budget.
Bill Clinton only took office in January 1993 and his first budget started in October 1993.
But nice try…..
And this my friend is from the office of President Bush in his 2004 Army Corp. Budget.
“Louisiana Coast. Over the past 75 years, more than one million acres of the Louisiana coastal plain have submerged into the Gulf of Mexico. Another third of a million acres could be lost by 2050. This wetlands loss results from human intervention and natural processes, including: 1) efforts by the Corps to maintain a commercial navigation channel from the Gulf of Mexico to New Orleans and farther up the Mississippi River and to provide flood and storm damage reduction to communities in the Louisiana coastal plain; 2) oil and gas development, including thousands of miles of canals built by private interests for exploration and production; and 3) natural subsidence and erosion of the lands where the Mississippi delta meets the Gulf of Mexico. The affected area supports a complex coastal wetlands and barrier island ecosystem, an environmental resource of national significance. Further measures are needed to help protect and rebuild this ecosystem. The Corps is currently working with the State of Louisiana to address the State’s coastal problems.”
“WS, you are a hand out monkey. Are you offended?”
I am not gay, Mr. DevVB, but I would be offended if you call a gay man a “faggot.” I am not a woman, but I would be offended if you called a woman a “ho.”
I don’t like people referring to a mostly black population as “monkies.” (sic)
Are you a racist, Mr. DevVB?
Mostly black population? The liberals in America are mostly black? The Bush Bashers and Government hand holders are mostly black?
Sounds to me like you might be a little racist WS. Wow, who knew?
The levees failed, below specs, because of design flaws.
‘Army Corps Admits Flaws in New Orleans’http://www.levees.org/research/sources/nytimes1.htm
More:
“February 8, 2000
For the metropolitan New Orleans area, Clinton’s budget was seen as a mixed bag by local lawmakers and government officials. For instance, while Clinton called for $1.5 billion to be spent at Avondale Industries to continue building LPD-17 landing craft, his budget calls for significantly less than what Congress appropriated last year for Lake Pontchartrain and vicinity hurricane protection and for West Bank flood control projects.”
Farmie I just got back and read you ridiculous answer to my post. Now it’s a stretch but try to enlarge your thinking compacity. It might help. Never can tell.
In 1978 when I first went to NO they had such a bad crime problem that the group I was with were warned away from the projects. These same projects were the source of many many complaints about how they were left to starve and die with no food and water. Eventhough most were able bodied enough to walk out they were waiting for the feds to come in and get them.
Fast forward to Katrina. Nagin, Blanco and other city and state officials set on their hands while the storm came closer and finally overcame New Orleans. Now paint the picture and tell me why Bush is responsible. I blame him for a lot of things, I am not in his corner in the immigration debacle, would like to see more action on the Iraq front, but did he fail NO, absolutely not. Years of a democratic reign in LA starting with Huey Long set that one up.
Pull your head out and quit trying to blame the woes of the world on Bush.
As for rebuilding NO, when the money that has been sent there over the years to maintain and repair the levees is found (what did happen to it?) and the repairs are made, then rebuild it, until then why waste money building homes in a fishbowl.
This is during Clinton’s Admin. Please recall the Republican majority and the fact that the republican lead congress consistently budgeted more than Clinton proposed when dealing with flood control in LA
“July 22, 1999
In passing a $20.2 billion spending bill this week for water and energy projects, the House Appropriations Committee approved some significant increases in financing for several New Orleans area flood control and navigational projects.
The spending bill is expected on the House floor within the next two weeks.
For the New Orleans District of the Army Corps of Engineers, the panel allocated $106 million for construction projects, about $16 million more than proposed by President Clinton.
The bill would provide $47 million for “southeast Louisiana flood control projects,” $16 million for “Lake Pontchartrain and vicinity hurricane protection,” $15.9 million for the Inner Harbor Navigation Canal Lock on the Industrial Canal in New Orleans and $2 million for “West Bank hurricane protection — from New Orleans to Venice.”
Most of the projects received significant increases over what the Clinton administration had proposed. The exception: general flood control projects for southeast Louisiana, which remained at the $47 million suggested by Clinton. Local officials had hoped for double that amount.”
“kathleen sebelius didn’t get back to kansas from new orleans until 10pm on saturday night.”
Does anyone know if she flew commercial or private jet??
“My gripe is the freakin hand out monkies that want to blame Bush for NO”
You can try to project all you want, Mr. DevVB. You can spin it all you want. You can O’Reilly it, or Limbaugh it, or Hannity it or Coulter it if you want.
You still made a racist statement.
Spin away – call names – act the fool.
You still used racist nomenclature.
You can’t change that by accusing me of being a racist.
How many budgets were approved to repair the levees???? How many times did our “REPUBLICAN” congressman over the last 10 years give Millions and Millions to repair the Levees????? Were did the money go???? It was allocated.
Maybe that’s why Bush started making cuts in 2005/2006 because we had already paid multiple times to have the levees repaired and it didn’t happen. Why keep dishing out the money?
Jared don’t ever question WS or print facts he doesn’t agree with. Clinton never did anything wrong, never cut a dollar of military spending, never cut money for the corp of eng. I could go on but you get the message. Either Bush 41 or 43 did the damage. Prez 42 was a no-show in more ways than one.
Gets no blame and deserves no credit. What will his prezidency mean to our country in the future. Nothing. He set the state for 911, he weakened our military, he lowered the standard for the occupancy of the oval office, left office in the middle of an impending recession but did nothing wrong or simply did nothing. He rode the Reagan economy down.
In the future when people remember Bill Clinton it won’t be because of the great things he did for his country.
“that the group I was with were warned away from the projects.”
Duh! Name a city in the United States, that in the last forty years, TOURISTS would be ENCOURAGED to visit the projects?
Name one.
For Christ’s sake, the projects in most cities are off limits to ANY outsider, resident or not.
It is the nature of the beast.
Christ, Grm is looking to reach a new low.
Next, she is going to tell us that it was Bill Clinton’s fault and her son was there.
On a submarine.
“Maybe that’s why Bush started making cuts in 2005/2006″
Bush didn’t make cuts – he transferred the money from the Corps of Engineers to the War on Iraq.
I posted the link several days ago – you and Grm are a little late.
“hand out monkies that want to blame Bush”
You’d find racism in a bag of M&Ms if a conservative handed them to you WS.
You got a white sheet and pointy hat in your closet?
“question WS or print facts”
And this comes from a Grm that claims that Foley was a Democrat (Foley was a elected in 1994 as a Republican), that Clinton scuttled the Sturgeon Class submarines (they were replaced by newer units) and that her son was in the Middle East on active duty during the attack on the Cole (her son retired in 1994, the Cole attack was in October 2000.)
That is why no one pays any attention to Grm’s facts – they are made up.
Spin away Mr. DevVB. You made the racist statement, not me.
Keep on spinnin’
Calling me a racist doesn’t change your words.
ksgrm…..I get your point and am comfortable enough in my own skin to realize when the battle is just not worth fighting. I believe it was Gore who when talking about Bush said….”He betrayed our county…he played on our fears”……I always wondered if he was talking about Bush or Clinton. Sounds more like a Clinton thing to me. Clinton discgraced the White House. He made a mochery of it. He took it to such a low point that I fear morality and class will no longer be considered. It breaks my heart to see my country going in this direction. A time of finger pointing and blame. No one wants to stand up anymore. That’s what I like about Bush. You never hear or see him casting blame. I’m out of here. I hope you all have a pleasant day.
“You never hear or see him casting blame.”
You have to be kidding! That is ALL Bush does! He has NEVER taken responsibility for anything!
Christ. You must be living in a dream world.
Where the hell did race come into play PRIOR to you bringing it up WS-Klanner ???
And just how often do you bring up race in issues.
Now puzzle me this WS Klanner, do you do this because you have no other argument or is this why you fella where the pointy headed masks?
I tried to read your post, Mr. DevVB, but I had a hard time understanding it, especially that last sentence, which may as well be gibberish.
Can you provide an intelligent translation?
I would guess that you are trying to perform a Rovian projection and accusing me of racism to cover for your own racist remark.
It isn’t going to work.
I do not refer to a primary black population as “hand out monkies” nor do I try to defend such obvious language.
A smart man would admit that he made a poor choice of words, Mr. DevVB, but you apparently do not fit the description.
You can accuse me of racism all night long – no one will believe you – and you’re just making a fool of yourself.
Of course, making a fool of yourself comes second nature to you.
Sol you are talking to a green eyed black man who is also native american, irish, german, scandinavian, and I forget how many other races that is a Clinton apologist. He purposefully tries to spin a tale about my sons ten years in the Navy because he doesn’t have any service of his own. He thinks gravity is a theory. I’m out of here before he starts in again. Have a good day.
OK WS Klanner,
1) Where was race brought up PRIOR to your comments?2) Just how often do YOU bring race into issues (when it is not even relevant)3) Do you do this because a) you have no point or b) this is why you fellas wear pointy headed masks4) Are you saying that bush bashers and liberals of America are mostly black? As that is whom I called hand out monkeys.Do you need any help wit the big words?
I am betting you won’t answer any of these. If you answer any of them, at least hit number two. You try to bring race into SOOOOO many topics where it is irrelevant.
WS.
my info isn’t from the Eagle, my info is from the Governor’s travel records.
check your facts
“you are talking to a green eyed black man”
Let’s see – this is about the tenth time that I have asked you to copy and paste a post where I claimed to be a black man with green eyes, Grm.
You can’t do it because I never made such a claim.
“He purposefully tries to spin a tale about my sons ten years in the Navy because he doesn’t have any service of his own.”
YOU were the one that claimed that your son was serving in the ME during the Cole (10-2000)attack – then stated that your son retired in 1992, then maybe it was 1994.
It was YOURr tale that was spun, oh one without credibility.
And I have always said that I drew a 202 in the Draft Lottery – no news there.
Got anymore stories you want to tell us Grm of No Credibility?
Post a link if it disputes the official story Captain Pointy….
can’t. but you can request her travel records.
I have them.
don’t believe everything you read in the newspapers
“2) Just how often do YOU bring race into issues (when it is not even relevant)”
It was you, Mr. DevVB, that referred to the population of New Orleans as “hand out monkies.” (sic)
It wasn’t me.
As I said, you can project and spin all you want – you used the term – not me.
Why would you refer to a group of people as “hand out monkies?” (sic)
Why?
Answer that question.
So, Pointy, how did she travel and where did she land – and how did you of all people get the records?
Wait wait wait, now WS Klanner is asking for something from someone who already signed off.
So let’s review WS Klanner’s tactics. Call you a racist, or wait until you sign off.
Nice, Klanner, nice.
By the way, post where I called the people of NO ANYTHING you moron. If you can’t read and comprehend a post, don’t respond to it.
Good night all. Enjoy Klanner’s posts after I sign off (tactic #2 as tactic #1 for Klanner did not work.)
its public record.
she was in louisville, kentucky friday, arrived in New Orleans at 9pm on friday night.
she didn’t leave new orleans for kansas city airport until 530pm on saturday.
she didn’t arrive in greensburg until 245 on sunday.
what was she doing saturday she couldn’t at least get to kansas?
there is a standing 730am flight every saturday morning from new orleans to kansas city, why didn’t she take that?
what was she doing?
these are all valid questions based on her travel records.you just have to make an open records request.
What is wrong with you people? Can anyone stay on point? The article was about Kathleen Sebelius and her honest and true statements about the shortage of national guard personnel and equipment because of Bush’s folly in Iraq. We all know that this war has greatly diminished our capacity to take care of ourselves at home in the event of large-scale emergency. The Bush administration has painted itself into a corner and has little left which apparently includes its media shills, so it has to go back to Robert Novak, who so spinfully outed Valerie Plame for them. It worked then, so they try again. I can’t believe the people of this formerly great nation put up with the lies, deceit and thievery that comes out of this administration. Once again Kathleen Sebelius is to be commended for her leadership and the “cojones” to tell it like it is. Being called out by a democrat, especially a female democrat, is apparently beneath the dignity of that bunch. C’mon, people, let’s all call them out ~ out of office!
Sebelius took a private plane back to Kansas, Pointy. Why would she fly into the KC Airport? There are many airports between Topeka and KC, and Topeka itself has an airport.
She didn’t fly commercial.
As for not appearing in Greensburg until Sunday – read the article.
I guess I will have to get the records myself, since I don’t believe that she would fly into KC.
Why would anyone read (much less believe) anything by that scumbag traitor Novak?
Other than PR, why does anyone care where the hell she was? God, don;t you all realize they call cellphones and radios available in aircraft? Don;t you all realize she has people assigned to start working emergencies, and anything she needed to be done could be taken care of from a distance? Don;t you realize teh Governor doesn;t physically do anything for disasters? She didn;t need to be there, to be there would just be in the way. Anything else would just be PR and perhaps an emotional comfort for those affected.
hey, don’t ask me why she flew to kc…
that’s not my problem.
“Sebelius took a private plane back to Kansas, Pointy.”
Why is she trying to kill the children with her carbon emissions? Does she not know that we are in a crisis and we are all going to die from global warming?
Jeez, I scared off TWO right wing yahoos in one hour. Damn, do you see what a little factual argument can do?
I wonder if Mr. DevVB and KSGrm are brother and sister. Husband and wife?
“hey, don’t ask me why she flew to kc…”
She didn’t – she flew via private plane directly into Topeka.
You just made that stuff up.
“Clinton discgraced the White House. He made a mochery of it.”
No jared, he made a “smochery” of it. Or did you mean “mockery”? I know why you conservatives have such a problem with sex. You never get any.
“He took it to such a low point that I fear morality and class will no longer be considered.”
Wanna discuss the morality of lying to start an illegal and immoral war? Your boy president Stupid really brings a lot of class to the white house.
“It breaks my heart to see my country going in this direction.”
You’re a Conservative. Conservatives don’t have hearts.
“That’s what I like about Bush. You never hear or see him casting blame.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! AH, HAHAHAHAHAHA! YER KILLING ME, BOY!
“I’m out of here. I hope you all have a pleasant day.”
Please don’t let the door hit you in the a$$.
Sebelius only spoke openly what everyone who reads has known for a long time- the Guard has been drained of most of its’ resources, another “hidden” cost of Bush’s folly. Ohio’s current Governor has again asked Bush to promise that our guardsmen have the proper equipment for their service- no more of Rummy’s: you go to war with the Army that you have, not where the “war” is preemptively one of choice.Why anyone publishes what the criminal hack Novak writes is beyond me; if he had been a liberal, and outed a CIA spy, he’d be in Gitmo. Hypocrites!
right, private plane.
topeka/kansas city – the point is that why did she wait allllll day long to get back to kansas?
why? answer that
“Sebelius did not listen to jazz instead of going to Greensburg.”
What a patently irresponsible headline. If you looked at this simple sentence, it would be taken as absolute fact. If you read on, however, you’d see that this was according to the Governor’s staff – the same freaking staff that neglected to bring up any of these details in the weeks following the tragedy. Why? Because they’re not substantiated and they’re not excusable.
Why don’t you guys try doing some real reporting, like, you know, asking tough questions.
Call Corcoran and ask her -why the rest of the state officials found it important enough to attend?
why the Governor ignored all of the National Guard ground commanders statements that claimed otherwise and placed a partisan pot-shot on the backs of the devastated Greensburg citizens?
why these developments – family vacation, jazz festival, slow arrival time, conversation with national guard commander, etc. – all only were brought to the attention of Kansans after a national Republican writer discovered them?
You’re blatantly allowing Sebelius and Staff to frame the debate with your laziness; not very professional or responsible to say the least.
“Who benefited from Sebelius’ comments about the National Guard equipment?”
Certainly not the Bushivik scum who had to smear the governor of Kansas!
Because, Captain Pointy, it wasn’t HER plane. The plane was arranged by Gov. Blanco of Louisiana (read the article) so that Sebelius could get back.
You (and Try) are just looking to take shots at our Governor because she is a Democrat.
If she was a Republican, you would be waiting in line to kiss her ass.
Hey, gang!
Let’s get back to this thread’s topic!
Bob Novak lied (or was misinformed) when he accused Kathleen Sebelius of zoning out on New Orleans jazz in the aftermath of the Greensburg tornado.
Novak is a wholely-owned subsidiary of the Republic Party smear machine.
And the Governor is accused of “politicizing” the disaster?!
Come now.
The whole “Howard Dean told her to say that” scam has been revealed (by its right-wing instigator) to have been pure speculation; pure fabrication.
The shortage of National Guard resources on hand to respond to emergencies was a long-established issue in all 50 states, reason enough for reporters to ask Gov. Sebelius about it during the weekend following Greensburg. She responded as would any of the other 49 governors in America, who’d made National Guard readiness an issue which George WMD Bush did nothing about for more than two years before the Greensburg tornado. Reporters asked her a question and she responded.
Ah, but *she* is the one politicizing it! Tony Snow lied that Gov. Sebelius had asked only for more FM radios. The White House later mumbled about how they “regretted the error.”
Strong and brave and patriotic Americans who signed up for “a weekend a month and two weeks a year” National Guard service are dying in Iraq, losing their minds and limbs (not to mention their homes and families) halfway around the world for a lost cause. Those who’ve been their and returned are deprived of the tools with which to do the jobs they signed up for.
By the way, Mr. DevVB, how does MY questioning YOU, about YOUR use of a racist phrase make ME a racist?
Huh?
By YOUR resoning, Elie Wiesel was an anti-Semite.
WS Klanner-
What racist phrase did I use?
Who the flip is Elie Wiesel and where the hell did that come from.
Ohhhhh. Damn it. Stupid me. I fell into tactic #3. Completely idiotic references to … God knows what cause WS Klanner has ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS FOR THE FECAL MATTER SPWEING FROM HIS KEYBOARD….
Nothing to see here folks. WS Klanner is business as usual. The sewage will be scrapped away as soon as possible. Nothing to see here. Only WS Klanner – Nothing to see at all.
As I said before, Mr. DevVB, referring to a mostly black populous as “hand out monkies” (sic) would be considered racist.
As for Elie Wiesel, look it up.
You have not, however, answered my question: How does my questioning YOU about YOUR use of a racist phrase make ME a racist?
This is fun – Solly will twist anything and everything to avoid admitting that he called the people of New Orleans “monkies.” (sic)
It is like watching drunk people play Twister.
First he projects his racism on me – like that would work.
Then he calls me a few names.
Then he is clueless as to who Elie Wiesel is.
Then he makes broad sweeping comments meant to dismiss me.
Still, he has not explained how HIS use of a racist phrase makes ME a racist.
This is fun – he might explode any minute now.
And would you please reference the ‘predominantly black’ populace that I referred to.
Would you also reference the racist term and or phrase that offended your klannish demeanor
That would make the ball in your court WS Klanner. I have made not a single racist comment. You have chosen in your Klannish fugue to contrive in some form or fashion – as yet unfounded — to show I made said racist – oh just wait for it – and now anti-semantic remark.
Oh WS Klanner, if you don’t have a point, just don’t type. It’s easy. Walk away when you can’t give an adult response.
Well, I hate to break this to you, Mr. DevVB, but referring to black people as “monkies” (sic) is considered racist.
If you don’t believe me, why don’t you try calling the next large black man you see a “monkey.” I would bet that he would soon separate you and your front teeth from one another.
And learn to read, Solly. I said that “By YOUR reasoning, Elie Wiesel was an anti-Semite.”
Elie Wiesel was a famous Jewish Nazi hunter.
But you still haven’t explained, Mr. DevVB – how does it make ME a racist when I ask YOU about a comment YOU made?
Is that some sort of Rovian projection or are you just illiterate?
Explain, explain, explain…. to all of us Mr. DevVB, how someone calling YOU out for making a racist comment makes THEM a racist….
WS Klanner – You have still failed to reference where I have referred to black people as monkeys. You fail this part, but that should be no surprise to you. I am sure you are accustoming to failure. So shill your klanishness somewhere else.
Part two, you fail again. You are the ONLY person on this thread to mention Elie Wiesel. So you logic is as failed as your klanish beliefs.
Part three. WS Klanner, by referencing race in such distorted contrived irrelevant context, it unmasks your obvious hatred of any race but your own.
When you come out of your closet and reveal your white sheet without the pointy headed mask, you will feel MUCH more comfortable with yourself.
Have you considered talking to a professional about placing race labels in every thread of your life? There ARE people that can help you with your race issues WS Kalnner.
Just start by realizing that not EVERYTHING deals with race.
You’ll be OK WS Klanner. I promise. Try to be color blind once or twice.
Okay, Mr. DevVB, who were you referring to when you made a reference to “hand out monkies?” (sic)
Democrats in general? Citizens of New Orleans? The people of Louisiana?
Who were you referring to, Mr. DevVB?
And, by the way, you still haven’t answered this question: how is someone calling YOU out for making a racist comment makes THEM a racist….
“it unmasks your obvious hatred of any race but your own.”
Duh, I hate to bring this up again – it gets KSGrm and Republank REALLY upset – but I am multi-cultural. I have immediate relatives that are black, Jewish and Native American as well as European.
Ok, once again WS-Klanner – what is the racist remark.
I am not going to rehash a post. If you are not intelligent enough to read a post and understand it, once again, I say – “Don’t respond”. Let the adults have a conversation once in a while.
PS- Bleach is bad for the environment. If you want to get your sheets white enough, use peroxide. H202 for the uninformed, such as yourself.
You know, cat and mouse should be a FUN game. But with you, it is just like baiting flies.
I answered your question, Mr. DevVB, but you still fail to answer mine.
“Okay, Mr. DevVB, who were you referring to when you made a reference to “hand out monkies?” (sic)”
And you haven’t answered this question, either:
“And, by the way, you still haven’t answered this question: how is someone calling YOU out for making a racist comment makes THEM a racist….”
So explain yourself, if you want to be considered an adult.
I am not going to let you get away with this one, Mr. DevVB.
Explain yourself. You made the comment and you suggested that I was a racist because I challenged YOU on the point.
Now you answer.
Uhm, WS-Klanner. I challenge your reading comprehension capabilities ONCE AGAIN…
What question did you answer?
“Okay, Mr. DevVB, who were you referring to when you made a reference to “hand out monkeys”Re-read the post. If you need help with the big words, either put on your BIG girl panties, or ask an adult.”And, by the way, you still haven’t answered this question: how is someone calling YOU out for making a racist comment makes THEM a racist….”Ok one more time for the short bus riders, where did I make a racist comment.
You know WS-Klanner, once you admit to your hatred of any other race than your own, life will be SOOOOO much easier for you. At least you will know what you are.
Sol you should run and hide WS is on one of his “I’m not letting you get away with this” rants. You should be afraid, you should be very afraid.
Isn’t it ironic that you referred to ‘hand out monkies’ and I thought of career welfare recipents and he immediately thought of blacks. Makes you wonder doesn’t it?
There he goes again with that multi racial thing of his. I’ve yet to see a race he doesn’t claim as his. He tries to tell us he is Jewish because of his paternal grandfather and any Jew will tell you that race is passed by the mother and not the father.
Well time to go a ballgame. Have a good night.
One other aside to a very stupid statement – if you fly in SOMEONE ELSE’S private plane you don’t use fuel or leave a big carbon footprint. I’ll have to remember that one.
ksgrm. God bless. Good luck at the ball game.
WS-Klanner, you are such a fraud, such an irrelevant spec on this globe. If it wasn’t so much fun to expose you for the fool you are…..
Jeez, now there are two of a kind, Mr. DevVB and KSGrm. Two confirmed liars and bullshit artists.
I asked a simple question, Mr, DevVB, who were you referring to when you made your statement about “hand out monkies?” (sic)
I have reread your post several times – it seems to me that you were referring to the black residents of New Orleans.
If that is not true, who were you referring to as “hand out monkies?” (sic)
And KSGrm, you might want to stay away for a while – you have been outed as a liar – it is not something that you can pass off easily – the post will not go away.
You lied – you got busted – everyone knows – you have no credibility.
WSCluck playing the race card again?
Oh repub. Don’t even dirty your fingers in this fracas. WS has buried him/herself so deep he/she couldn’t get out with a 100K dozer.
So, WS-Klanner, ONCE AGAIN – Please. No – wait – PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post where I referred to New Orleans citizens or black people in general.
OK. I’ll make it REAL easy for you WS-Klanner. Please paste ANY COMMENT I made about ANY specific race.
Your racism reveals you with every post WS-Klanner. If you would JUST ACCEPT WHO YOU ARE as a racist, you could get ON WITH YOUR LIFE. PLEASE don’t use this blog as your therapy. Get your OWN help!!!
I’ll remember to start complaining everytime the president flies somewhere- especially in an emergency. Geez.
I guess your response means that you are not going to answer any questions, right, Mr. DevVB?
I guess that is a bit of a Republican tradition, isn’t it?
But, I guess I can keep asking, who were you referring to as “hand out monkies?” (sic)
No answer?
WS- Klanner. You ask an idiotic question. If you read the post you are referring to the answer is abundantly clear. You have a few options – 1) put your big girl panties on and read the post – if you can’t understand the big words, have an adult explain them to you. 2) Have an adult read and explain the post to you 3) don’t respond to a post you are not capable of understanding.
If you can’t grasp that, sign off and go to your sleepy times.
Racist pig…
Still can’t answer can you. Mr. DevVB?
It’s an easy question….
But, I guess I can keep asking, who were you referring to as “hand out monkies?” (sic)
It’s an easy question….
It’s an easy question….
It’s an easy question….
It’s an easy question….
WS-Racist – Its an easy answerIts an easy answerIts an easy answerIts an easy answerIts an easy answer
Read the post idiot. If you can’t understand it, have an adult explain it to you.
Good night all. If the short bus doesn’t come for you WS, try WIKIpedia.
Scared to answer, eh, Solly?
Afraid that you will be outed as a racist? “Hand out monkies” (sic) eh?
Hmmmmmmm………………
Who could Solly be calling a “hand out monkie?” (sic)
Jeeeeeeezzzzzz……….
Who could it be?
By the way, Mr. DevVB, Wiki doesn’t have an entry for “hand out monkie.” (sic)
I guess that is just a term that you made up.
Being the nice guy that I am, I am going to help Mr. DevVB out here with a multiple choice question so that he doesn’t hurt himself coming up with an answer.
Fill in the blank Mr. DevVB.
When I (Mr. SolDevVB) made a reference to “hand out monkies” (sic) I was talking about:
A. Davy JonesB. The African American people of New Orleans.C. The white people of New Orleans.D. J. Fred MuggsC. I have no clue.
our Gov. Did the right thing and her responses have been spot on.
Novak was the one who outed a Covert CIA operative and put many in harms way. Why isn’t he in jail?
It was no surprise that She’ll Bill Us politicized the tragedy by blaming the “lack of equipment” on George Bush when first the equipment she was talking about hadn’t even arrived at the scene because the rescue efforts were under way and secondly she had all the money she needed to hire all the private contractors she wanted with federal funds. There’s probably a long waiting list of people with equipment ready willing and able to do the job yet she has to whine about the war in Iraq.
For those who still point the finger at the city, and state for the mess in NO. Hurricane Pam had shown 21% to 24% of the population would not leave NO during a three plus storm hitting NO. It also predicted the flooding, and the levee’s giving way. Their recomended plan was all efforts would be handled through the governor’s office.
freddy,
You’re an idiot!!!!
“Wanna discuss the morality of lying to start an illegal and immoral war? Your boy president Stupid really brings a lot of class to the white house”
Excuse me but how is the war in Iraq illegal? There was a vote and your side stepping, ever wavering, spineless, self absorbed, veggie loving, kool aide drinking democrats voted for it as well. And now that it is not popular and they have forgotten about Suddam Hussein they change there mind. You’re probably that guy that wishes for world peace…….will never happen. Get over it. War happens and if it were not for Presidents like George Bush you would be speaking German right now and running around with a picture of Hitler in your wallet. What we are doing in Iraq is no different than what we did in both World Wars. One major difference………Media!!! We can’t fight a war anymore. We have to be PC. I’m sorry, I can’t waste anymore time with this crap.
Jared,”The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.”Remember the UN? Whether you like it or not, we’re a member subject to the rules of membership.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm
Or how about:”Article 2(4)(UN Charter): All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations”?The US is signatory to this. We’re a member. Shouldn’t we honor our treaties? But I forgot. You’re a conservative and don’t understand “honor”.
You’re kind of a blood-thirsty little crawler, aren’t you? If you think war is such a great thing, why don’t you crawl right on down to the recruiter’s office and sign up? You sound pretty young and immature; just about the right age to be cannon fodder?
WS-Monkey,As your list proves you have no comprehension skills, have an adult read the post and explain it to you. Over and over again till you get it thru your money head.
Ummm,
Sol, I have to go with WS on this one – when I first read your post, I thought you were referencing the black population of NO as well – seeing as how predominately the welfare recipients and the lowest classes in NO are of Black population -
And also, if you READ his posts, like you are asking him to do of yours, you would see that he was pointing out that you calling HIM a racist because he questioned you about a racist term YOU used (and yes, monkey is a racist term, I can provide a definition if you would like) is the same as saying ELIE WIESEL (which if you are at all an educated man you would know who that was – He even won a Nobel Prize) is an anti-semite… That was his point in bringing up Elie Wiesel, which you OBVIOUSLY didn’t get…
“My gripe is the freakin hand out *monkeys* that want to blame Bush for NO.”
Was it just the people of NO that blamed Bush? Gee, there seem to be some folks here that LOVE to blame Bush. So does that make them black New Orleans citizens?
Why would knowing Elie Wiesel determine my level of education?
I call WS a racist because he brings race into far too many threads. Seems to me he has an underlying race issue. He loves to brad people racist. So, good for the goose, good for the gander. Turnabout is fair play.
WSClark is a racist.
Solly, you should observe the first rule of holes here. Calling black folks monkeys is what got HOWARD COSSEL fired.
It is COMMONLY known as a racist expression.
The more you spin, the more you attack Clark, the more racist and hillbilly you look.
Heheheheh. On second thought, just keep defending that comment….
“So, good for the goose, good for the gander. Turnabout is fair play.”
Uh, except you forgot one thing solly. The TRUTH.
You DID make an extremely racist remark. Clark didnt. So no, turn about here is NOT fair play.
Geez, you are just like gs. Make a homophobic, racist, taliban remark and then spend the next three days trying to convince us you didnt.
I mean, who are readers to believe? You? Or their lyin’ eyes?
“My gripe is the freakin hand out *monkeys* that want to blame Bush for NO.”
Farmie, then I guess this makes you a black lesbian from NO. How is the weather down there Farmie?
Can y’all not freakin READ???? Where in that statement do I address the people of NO?
So then the term *surrender monkey* is racist as well.
Y’all just LOVE to drop that racist brand.
Just keep diggin solly.
Just keep trying to comprehend farmie. One day a brain cell or two MIGHT work and you can comprehend what you read.
Lets start wih an easy one. One more time (at least ten now for WS Monkey)
Where in that statement do I refer to the people of New Orleans? Where in that statement to I single out black people? What is racist about that statement?
Can you back up your BS or are you going to follow WS Monkey’s foot steps?
“What is racist about that statement?”
The answer is nothing.ws, somehow, immediately jumped to the conclusion that you were referring to Black people.We can only wonder why he would make that leap, he being 1 part per million Black himself.
“Just keep trying to comprehend farmie. One day a brain cell or two MIGHT work and you can comprehend what you read.”
Ad hominem much?
When you have nothing solid to stand on, you can always spin and froth.
Carry on…
OK Farmie, Nicely now:
Would you be so kind as to answer as many of the following as you can:
“My gripe is the freakin hand out *monkeys* that want to blame Bush for NO.”
1) Where in that statement do I refer to the people of New Orleans?2) Where in that statement to I single out black people?3) What is racist about that statement?
If you can not answer these questions, kindly refrain from calling me a racist and/or referring to a statement I made as racist when you can not back it up.
Thinking a little deeper on the issue, it would seem that you and WS are far more racist than I. As I point out ALL the individuals that blame Bush for NO, use the terms “Hand Out” and “Monkey” you immediately think of black people. Wouldn’t that make you a little racist in terms of your thought processes?
WS and farmie are racist? Say it isn’t so. Why would you two jump to black people when you hear hand out and monkey. Shame shame on you two.
That is just TOO funny.
Typical page right out of the republican playbook.
Whatever YOUR weakness is, twist things and try to pin it on your opponent.
Whatever….
Hand out — Monkey — Farmie jumps to black people, Shame Farmie. Twist and spin sweetie. Twist and spin.
This could be over so easily – all we need is for Mr. DevVb to tell us who he was referring to as “hand out monkies.” (sic)
Or Mr. DevVB could just keep on digging.
I already have WS, several times.
Now maybe you could (since I would ask you to speak for Farmie) explain why you read the words Hand Out and Monkey and think of black people.
wouldn’t *
“I already have WS, several times.”
No you haven’t Mr. DevVB. I scrolled over your comments and could find no statement. Feel free to repeat it.
As for the comment not being racist? I have asked several people what they thought, without providing background.
Everyone thought that it was a racist statement. None of them took more than two seconds to respond.
Keep digging, Mr. DevVB.
Twist and spin WS.
Please paste the statement, no wait, you have a comprehension problem, I’ll do it for you and again ask the same questions:
“My gripe is the freakin hand out *monkeys* that want to blame Bush for NO.”1) Where in that statement do I refer to the people of New Orleans?2) Where in that statement do I single out black people?3) What is racist about that statement?
There you go. Now one more time,
Why do you hear Hand Out and Monkey and immediately think of black people. Shame on you Clark, you ARE a racist.
So, who are the “hand out monkies” (sic) Mr. DevVB?
It is not just me that thinks that the phrase you used was racist. Other than your buddy Fleetwood, everyone else thinks that your phrase was racist.
But keep on digging……
“So, who are the “hand out monkies” (sic) Mr. DevVB?”
I think Clark asked the question first solly.
Do you ever intend to answer it?
Wanna bet he says “answer my questions first”?
The short bus is getting full of you guys then?
One more time…. Read…. comprehend…. you can DO IT Farmie & WS, you can DO IT…..
Lets try is a different way,
Who blames Bush for NO?
Now can either WS or Farmie explain why the read the words “Hand Out” and “Monkey” and immediately thought about black people?
I wonder…..
Ok solly, we are really stupid. We need you to answer the question instead of changing the subject. No matter HOW MANY times I read your posts, I cant see where you have answered this question.
Who were you refering to as “hand out monkeys”?
Why is that so hard to answer? If we are so stupid, it shouldnt be too hard for a smart guy like you to repost the answer.
I know! I know! I know!
(raises hand while jumping up and down)
Call on me! Call on me!
Most right thinking people feel that the Federal government’s response to Katrina was inadequate and delayed. When FEMA and other agencies did respond, they performed poorly, noting the debit cards passed out indiscriminately, the trailers left unused and the food stores that were left to rot.
Many people also feel that one of our national treasures, a historic city over three hundred years old, has been irreparably damaged and will never return to it’s former glory.
In the eyes of the general public, Bush took ownership of the situation when he uttered the now famous compliment “You’re doing a heck of a job, Brownie!”
After Katrina, Bush’s approval ratings, already in trouble, began a free fall that has them seen them hit historic lows in the range of the disgraced Richard Nixon.
OK, let me be a little more specific then. If you two would have read the posts instead of reading “Hand Out” and “Monkey” and immediately thinking about black people (shame on you racists !!!), you might have understood it by now.
The people who point their finger first at Bush and say NOTHING of the – can you even call it this?- job the LOCAL government did.
Those are hand out monkeys. People who expect from the Federal government first instead of themselves, the community, the city government and the state government.
Now this doesn’t pertain specifically to the city of New Orleans, not everyone pointed fingers. Lots of them just dug in and got some work done. What this does relate to are the monkeys that point first before all else for Washington. And that includes LOTS and LOTS of folks who have never even BEEN to New Orleans.
Did FEMA fu@k it up. Yup, but they got their butts there and did what they could.
Did the fu@k up of a mayor do the best he could? Or did he let some school busses drown that could have saved the people HE was responsible for.
All this typing of what was already typed. Maybe you two should ask WE to give you Cliff’s Notes to help you understand next time.
Now that I have rehashed SOOOOO much of what has already been written and you two couldn’t comprehend – and you were a writer farmie??? Huh.
How about you two explain why you read Hand Out and Monkey and immediately thought of black people?
Do tell.
Easy, Mr. DevVB, for the %#@ time – when you refer to a group of human beings as monkeys, it is generally considered to be a reference to black people in a non-complimentary manner.
From the Urban Dictionary….
“A racial slur directed towards a person of African-American ethnicity.
A derogatory term for a black person. Refers to blacks as being less intelligent, primitive, less evolved, etc.
slang term for a black person, originating from their African jungle heritage, long legs and arms, and monkey-like facial features.
racist slang for a black person”
Note the last definition, please.
Perhaps you need to brush up on your slang, Mr. DevVB or at least avoid using slang terms when you do not know the connotation or slang definition.
So why them, clark, did you not jump on everyone who used the term Surrender Monkey.
It wasn’t until you saw hand out and monkey together that you thought of black people. Huh. Have you examined your racism clark?
Maybe you should brush up on your own racist feelings before you try to project them on to other people.
I think you owe the black community an apology for immediately thinking of them when you saw Hand Out and Monkey. You should be ashamed Mr. Clark. Make your apology.
Here we go now. Spin and twist. Spin twister spin.
War happens and if it were not for Presidents like George Bush you would be speaking German right now and running around with a picture of Hitler in your wallet.Posted by: jared | June 01, 2007 at 01:18 AM
LOL
What we are doing in Iraq is no different than what we did in both World Wars. One major difference………Media!!!Posted by: jared | June 01, 2007 at 01:18 AM
>still dyin’ laughin’<
Whew. Dude. I guess I needed a really good belly laugh to wake up today.
Ok. Actually, make that 2 major differences:1) Media (congrats, you were onefer), and2) George W Bush is a dipshit.
FDR was decidedly waaay north of dipshit range. Augustus Stupidus, on the other hand, kinda defnes it.
Meant to write that Augustus Stupidus, aka George W Bush, is the new standard by which we judge the relative dipshit attributes held by national leaders in the year of our lord 2007.
Perhaps you didn’t read the slang definitions, Mr. DevVB. You keep trying to avoid the topic, but I am correct here. To use the term that you did, in the context that you did, is consider to be racist by virtually anyone that has the least understanding of slang terminology.
It should be noted that one of the alternative definitions refers to genitalia, male and female.
I was pretty sure that you were not making a reference to a penis or vagina in the context of your statement.
Context makes the word.
You can keep digging, Mr. DevVB, but you cannot avoid the definitions or the context.
But keep on digging anyway.
And your apology WS for thinking with such a racist mentality….
You had all the context you could want. You were either too lazy to read it or not bright enough to understand it. Your choice.
And still, you read hand out and monkey and think black people, or NO citizens. Dispicable.
Surrender monkey… no reaction from you. Just when you see hand out in the term.
Such a racist, and still no apology. For SHAME WS, for shame.
Know what slang terms mean before you use them, Mr. DevVB. That is a piece of good advise that might save you a whupping in the future.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
This link may help you avoid one of those awkward moments that occurs just after someone realized that you have insulted them and just before they plant a straight right on your face.
Wait wait wait for it… CONTEXT he writes…
Surrender monkey – no reaction.
Hand out monkey … gets panties in a wad.
Stop using the shovel WS. Quit while you are ahead. And apologize for CONTINUING to make racist remarks.
Context – hand out – black people. FOR SHAME !!!!
Hmmmmmmmmmm, let’s see……..
Hand out vagina’s? No.
Hand out penises? No.
Hand out chimpanzees? No.
Hand out hairy people? No.
Hand out 500 English pounds? No.
Jeez, I am running out of options here.
Hand out drunk? Naw.
Hand out slave? Naw.
Hand out face card? Naw.
Jeez, I am stumped here…. what would people think if someone referred to a hand out monkey????
Hmmmmmm………….
Keep digging, Mr. DevVB.
Now that I’ve read wsclark’s comments, and now that I know his heritage, I suddenly remember the meaning of the soft bigotry of low expectations.
context – hand out – black people…
WS — racist.
Surrender Monkey – nothing
Hand out monkey – panties in a wad
WS Clark – racist
slang term – monkey – black people…
SolDevVB – racist or idiot.
Mr. DevVB, you were either a racist for using that term or an idiot for using a term that you did not know connoted a black person.
Either way, you were wrong.
But interestingly enough, you have still not defined in what reference you used the term.
As for surrender monkey – different context.
“But interestingly enough, you have still not defined in what reference you used the term.”
OMG !!!! I’ve got like 20 or 30 posts here. Can you not read????
I also re-explained over and over again – and YOU STILL DON’T GET IT????
But you call me an idiot.
Once again…
Surrender monkey – no response from WS
Hand Out Monkey – you immediately think about black people…
Wait for it… and WS calls ME a racist.
Damn, WS, have you got some issues !!!!!!
Why don’t you start with your racism and make your apology.
Damn, this is funny. Mr. DevVB will spin and twist any which way to avoid admitting that he used a racist term, intentional or otherwise, even when shown the definitions from an urban dictionary.
Hilarious.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Context he writes. Nowhere did I mention race.
WS reads hand out and assumes black people – What a racist.
HAHAHAHAHHAA
No spin needed.
“Surrender monkey – no response from WS”
Apparently the reading problem is yours, Mr. DevVB, because I just stated that it was a matter of context.
And I read your comment about blaming Bush – I asked why the use of the term “monkey.”
It is not a matter, Mr. DevVB of me thinking of black people, it is the COMMON slang definition of the term in that context.
But keep digging anyway – it is funny!
Easy enough, right?
Why not hand out dummies, or hand out beggars, or hand out liberals, or hand out folks?
Why use the term “monkey?”
OK WS. Last time and I am done with you on this.
You want the context. READ. It is there over and over again.
Why is it that you and farmie seem to be the ONLY ONES who relate hand out and black people.
Don’t project your racist feelings WS, just deal with them.
Why use the term “monkey?”
Actually, Mr. DevVb, all of us liberals and pinkos get together on a conference call everyday and decide which liberal is going to harass which conservative. That is why you see the pairings of certain libs and cons continually.
Unfortunately for you, I drew your name out of the hat yesterday. Now is it my duty to drill this subject until you fess up and admit that you made a HUGE mistake.
To do otherwise would be breaking the Liberal Code.
And if you don’t recognize this as sarcasm……
“OK WS. Last time and I am done with you on this.”
I win. Fleetwood, send me a plaque!
“Nowhere did I mention race.”
He is correct, he didn’t. You did.”I win. Fleetwood, send me a plaque!”
You don’t win. No plaque for you!
“He is correct, he didn’t. You did.”
Sorry Fleet, I still win.
If you use the term “beaner”, you are not mentioning race, but everyone knows that you are referring to Hispanics.
The same goes for the term “monkey” refers to black people in that context.
So I win – send me my plaque.
Freddy, the UN is a joke and Kofi Annan well……..Kofi Annan I don’t know what to say about that guy but his opinion matters not to me. We could have all sat around and waited on the UN after umpteen resolutions…….and what would have happened? Nothing!!! The UN is a bunch of paper pushing politicians that waste resources and oxygen. The UN should be done away with. They sure did a lot for the Iraqi people didn’t they. And were was the UN on 9/11? Screw the UN and everything about that corrupt organization. We should get out of it.
I saw bumper sticker the other day that was very funny to me that you may enjoy. It says “Draft Young Republicans”. Very ironic if you think about it. I find it funny because YOU DON’T HAVE TO DRAFT YOUNG REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!! They sign up on there OWN FREE WILL and fight for your right to sit back here in the comfort of your home and office and judge! While the democrats our out there saving rain forests and baby whales our “Young Republicans” are freeing human beings from evil dictators and helping to establish a democracy were all voices are heard. Even your voice.
“The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.”
Re: Administration Lies About Governor Kathleen Sebelius: Kathleen,my governor, is an intelligent, committed and approachable woman who, unlike this administration, actually cares about people. As we say, consider the source.
“Freddy, the UN is a joke and Kofi Annan well……..Kofi Annan I don’t know what to say about that guy but his opinion matters not to me. We could have all sat around and waited on the UN after umpteen resolutions…….”Posted by: jared | June 01, 2007 at 01:58 PM
But you use contravention of UN resolutions as an excuse for war even though according to you, the UN, and by extension it’s resolutions mean nothing. There’s a word for that.
Hypocracy.
Belly up and enlist, jared!
Gee, I notice Sol did not respond to my post – where i pointed out the reason why people thought he was referring to blacks, which is what he asked for…
And Sol – i would say knowing who Elie Wiesel is would show your level of education for several reasons:
Sir Eliezer Wiesel (commonly known as Elie, born September 30, 1928)[1] is an American-Jewish novelist, political activist, and Holocaust survivor. He is the author of over 40 books, the best known of which is Night, a memoir that describes his experiences during the Holocaust and his imprisonment in several concentration camps.
Wiesel was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. The Norwegian Nobel Committee called him a “messenger to mankind,” noting that through his struggle to come to terms with “his own personal experience of total humiliation and of the utter contempt for humanity shown in Hitler’s death camps,” as well as his “practical work in the cause of peace,” Wiesel has delivered a powerful message “of peace, atonement and human dignity” to humanity.[2]
In October 2006, his name was touted as a possible successor to Israeli President Moshe Katsav, who is facing sexual assault allegations.[3]
On November 30, 2006 Wiesel received an honorary knighthood in London, England in recognition of his work toward raising Holocaust education in the United Kingdom.[4]
Wikipedia
Oh, and considering that his novel, Night, “By 1997, Night was selling 300,000 copies annually in the United States; [48] by March 2006, it had sold six million copies there, and had been translated into 30 languages.[3] On January 16, 2006, Oprah Winfrey chose the novel for her book club. One million extra paperback and 150,000 hardcover copies were printed carrying the “Oprah’s Book Club” logo, with a new translation by Wiesel’s wife, Marion, and a new preface by Wiesel.[49] As of February 13, 2006, Night was no. 1 in The New York Times bestseller list for paperback non-fiction”and is also a common requirement in HIGH SCHOOL education (I myself had to read it as part of my sophomore english curriculum) I would say that , yes, it shows your level of education…
Senator Roberts can show up in Greensburg the next day. Congressmen Jerry Moran and Tiahrt can get to Greensburg the next day. So why was Sebelius missing?
A reliable source tells me that Senator Roberts called the President on Saturday to request federal aid while standing in McDonalds in a nearby town. The McDonald customers were impressed. Where was Sebelius?
Senator Roberts went on to Boston on Sunday night, May 6th, to join the Kansas Delegation at the BIO convention — to sell Kansas.http://www.kansasbio.org/news/events/07presskit/photo.htm
Why didn’t Sebelius go to Boston for good leads for new business in Kansas, too, like Senator Roberts? Why wasn’t Sebelius already in Boston instead of New Orleans?
On May 16 another reliable source tried to find out from the Governor’s office where she was on Saturday and Sunday after the tornado. Why on May 16 was this source “getting no help from the governor’s office”?
Doesn’t it seem like Sebelius is trying to hide something? What could that be? Some sort of Democratic Party political meeting? And why did she need help getting home from Gov. Blanco of Louisiana? Travelocity shows 44 flight options for Saturday June 2 from New Orleans to Kansas City — surely there were a similar number of flight options on May 5. Why doesn’t the press ask any questions or do any research, especially after Sebelius’ ridiculous statement?
I’ll apologize if it’s warranted when all the facts are known.
BTW, did anyone here call Obama a liar or demand an apology when he said 10,000 were killed in Greensburg?http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P0K1FG2&show_article=1
Why can’t anything be discussed here without all the personal attacks?
Wow, what a silly debate this has turned into over the last 24 hours.
I was all fired up to respond to Long Time Poster’s error-ridden comment, and was immediately distracted. But I’m back now -
“The shortage of National Guard resources on hand to respond to emergencies was a long-established issue in all 50 states”
It’s been documented since the crisis time and time again that the Kansas National Guard had sufficient equipment, manpower and finances. There was absolutely no shortage…I repeat…no SHORTAGE of equipment or soldiers. This was expressed by the White House and confirmed by Sebelius’ appointment and National Guard Leader, Major Gen. Todd Bunting. There are masses of supplies and soldiers that weren’t even called up because of the simple fact that Greensburg is stacked with ample resources right now. So, contrary to what our self-aggrandizing Governor would like you to think, they’ve got everything they need and then some.
If there’s no shortage, this begs the question – why would Kathleen claim there was. That, folks, is a different issue. Sebelius saw an easy opportunity to capitalize on current anti-war sentiments, also seeing the opportunity to interject herself into a prominent national debate. The sad fact is, Kathleen Sebelius took her sweet time arriving and when she finally showed her face, decided that the suffering currently being incurred by the people of Greensburg was exploitable. She could use their tragedy for her own personal political gain. Real classy.
Finally, Bob Novak’s a tool of the Republican Party Machine? Duh! He’s a former GOP operative that was hired to serve as an opinionated columnist and talk show personality. Does this make James Carville a crook too? How about Begala? At least Novak’s not passed off as an unbiased journalist – (see the rest of the media personalities, Katie Couric, George Stephanopolous, Chris Matthews) – all of which have openly supported Democrats and or worked on their campaigns. Don’t even try and whine about Novak – you’ve got the media figureheads squarely in your right-hip pocket.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww
I Soooooo wanted to end this thread with WS admiting his racism and his apology…..
Surrender – nothing
Hand out – black people.
WS – Racist….
Sorry, Mr. DevVB, but read the Urban Dictionary and see what is considered to be the definition when someone WHITE calls someone else a monkey.
I didn’t make it up, sir. It is a universally understood slur.
You play all you want – you can even get Fleetwood and Republank to agree with you.
In the real world, calling someone a monkey under the circumstances that you did is considered a racial slur.
White folks can paint it anyway they want – ask any black person what they would have thought about your comments – they will tell you the same thing I have said – it was an uncalled for racial slur.
But don’t ask me, Mr. DevVB, ask a man of color – read it just the way you said it (twice) and see what they have to say.
And, by the way, I have already asked several black friends, they agree with me.
Sorry, Mr. DevVB, you lose this one.
OK, one more time for the EXTREMELY slow minded Clark…
When the term SURRENDER is used, Clark says nothing.
When HAND OUT is used it is immediately attributed to black people.
Real quick
Surrender – no attributions from clark…..
Hand Out – attribution to black people by clark….
Racist – attributed to clark..
Loser = clark as a racist… end of story.
Game – set – match… Clark, you are a racist PIG !!!!!
Asked and answered, SolDevVB….. and you lost badly.
As for black friends what they think….
Whoops, you don’t have any black friends.
As someone to ask a black person what they think of the term “hand out monkey.”
Go ahead, ask….
I will give you this, Mr. DevVB, you are a stubborn son-of-a-bitch.
Proven wrong six ways from Sunday and you STILL will not admit you were an idiot for using a racial slur.
Oh, well.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww clarkie…
Ok, so I give you an ‘A’ for effort, but you still get an F for content.
Can you or can you not explain why the term…
Surrender monkey
Elicits no response from you but the term
Hand out monkey makes you think of black people…
Hmmmmm, surrender = nothing — handout = black people…
You can make all the ‘My best friend is black’ comments you want, but equating hand outs to black people exposes you for the racist you are.
Twist and spin monkey boy. Twist and spin. Address your racism and apologize. No other solace for you…
“Elicits no response from you but the term”
I already answered – it is the context.
I am going to Lowes to pick up some grout to fix the chinks in my fireplace.
No problem.
While at Lowes, a couple of Chinks blocked the aisle and made me wait all day.
Big problem.
Can you see the point, Mr. DevVB?
Ask around a bit – be careful not to get punched out – see what NORMAL people think.
After all, I did copy and paste the sections from the Urban Dictionary. Did you think that I made those up?
Ah, so this is the thread where Clark has been hiding.
Actually Sol, I prefer the term, “cheese-eating surrender monkey.”
What was the name of that mailman in Cheers that thought he knew it all and ended up sounding like a fool?
=WSClark
I was talking to a surrender monkey today, he said…
What is his nationality clarkie????
I was talking to a hand out monkey today, he said….
What is his nationality clarkie? Clarkie assumes the handout monkey is African-American.
Clark, you are SOOOOOO outed. Just admit your racism and move on !!!!!
Clark… racist…
All you two idiots need to do is go to the Urban Dictionary and see what people think of the term “monkey.”
You probably can skip the first few, since they refer to genitalia, but read the rest.
It is not my definition – it is the commonly accepted definition.
But you two are free to continue to be idiots.
Just don’t call the big black guy next door a “monkey.”
He might not take kindly to it.
HAHAHAHAA
The Urban Dictionary you love to comment on defines monkey as a slang term..
Ok, I’ll give you that clarkie, no worries.
Your racism is called into play when you have NO reaction to surrender monkey, but your little girl panties get all in a wad when you read hand out monkey.
So once more….. why is surrender monkey ok, but hand out monkey makes clarkie think of black people.
Why can you not answer that clarkie??????????????
“when you have NO reaction to surrender monkey”
How many times to you want me to answer, DevVB? Thirty – forty – fifty?
It is a matter of context, as illustrated earlier.
The question has been answered over and over and over again.
Christ, if you get any dumber, DevVB, you will get down to Republank and Fleetwood status.
Jeez, you are stupid even for a Republican.
WS,
It’s pretty clear that Sol, by his own statements, wants to be the last poster on this thread. I say let him have it. If that’s what he thinks “winning” an argument is, well, I’d hate to be his spouse is all I can say.
“I was talking to a surrender monkey today, he said…
What is his nationality clarkie????
I was talking to a hand out monkey today, he said….
What is his nationality clarkie? Clarkie assumes the handout monkey is African-American.”
Your context argument is out the window, next excuse, or would you rather make your apology now…
Tom,
Jump on in, check the context, can you suport your racist boy clarkie any better than he can defend himself?
Sol,
I’ve been watching this thread in disgust on and off for four days. While WS isn’t being very polite, he’s correct on the facts. “Hand out monkey” is a racist phrase, and civilized people should probably avoid using it.
And now you may have the last word in my part of this conversation :)
Tom, I think it is hilarious that a white bread person like Mr. DevVB KNOWS what a slang term like “monkey” means in the real world.
I doubt that Mr. DevVB even knows a black person. I doubt that he has even had a conversation with a black person.
Mr. DevVB is a funny man, but he is bound and determined that he is going to project his racism on anyone and everyone else before he will admit that he made a mistake.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Hey Clarkie, puzzle me this…
“I was talking to a surrender monkey today, he said…
What is his nationality clarkie????
I was talking to a hand out monkey today, he said….What is his nationality clarkie? Clarkie assumes the handout monkey is African-American.“
Why is that clarkie?
Good night racist boy clarkie. Go talk to a few Hand Out Monkies and report back as to their nationality.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
GIVE IT UP RACIST !!!!!!!
Context, you moron, context.
Jeez, you really are a dumbass, aren’t you.
Yeah, Clarkie is a good ol homie. He knows all the slang and jive down in the hood.
He could walk right into a Black Club and instantly be welcomed as a ‘brutha.’
Ol funked-down hip-hop Clarkie knows his triple knickle and his fried lies.
SolDevVB, if your doctor told you that you were spending too much time spanking your monkey, would you tell him that the animal had been really, really bad?
If your wife asked you to eat her monkey, would you fire up the grill?
If you were playing poker and the guy next to you said thanks for the monkey to the dealer, would you look for a banana?
It’s all about context, DevVB.
Apparently, you are shooting to displace Fleetwood as the Blog’s Dumbest Poster, DevVB.
That is a big challenge, but you have finally made it.
A new holder of the Blog’s Dumbest Poster designation……
SolDevVB.
And Mr. Know-it-all Clarkie is twenty gradients below dumb.
Walk, walk, walk on by……..
Just walk on by…
Context Clarkie says and I’ll give it to him ONE MORE TIME for the short bus rider….
“I was talking to a surrender monkey today, he said…”
What is his nationality clarkie????
“I was talking to a hand out monkey today, he said….”
What is his nationality clarkie? Clarkie assumes the handout monkey is African-American.”
So there you have two statements both containing the word monkey. Problem is clarkie only assigns race when the phrase ‘hand out’ is used.
Why do you relate black person with ‘hand out’?
So to recap, context is no longer an issue as you can see above. Monkey is no longer an issue as both statements contain the word. The only thing left is ‘hand out’ and clarkie assumes black people. Why is that clarkie?
ws knows he stepped in it. That’s why he won’t let it go. He figures if he harps long enough, he will be right.ws is the one who leapt to the monkey = Black, not Sol.
Nice try WHITE boys!!!! Ask a black person what they think of the term “hand out monkey.”
Go ahead. Ask them!!!!
Or you could have just admitted that you did not know the meaning of the term………..
In other words, Mr. DevVb, you can admit to being a racist or you can admit to being ignorant.
Your choice.
HAHAHAHAHAH
WS STILL doesn’t get it. You brought up race. You attributed hand out monkey to black people but let surrender monkey slip right on by.
Read the two statements I’ve written for you OVER AND OVER.
You still can’t tell me why one brings out the racist in you.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“Read the two statements I’ve written for you OVER AND OVER.”
Your scenario is academic, Mr. DevVB.
I have provided you with the common definitions of the terms you used and proved that they are considered racial slurs in the context that you used them.
I also proved that the word can be considered differently in a different context.
Actually I proved that over and over and over and over again.
What else to you need? Either you were racist or you were ignorant.
It is funny that it is WHITE people that claim that their slurs are not racist.
Nappy headed ho’s anyone?
Clark,
it isn’t worth arguing with someone who is determined to be right. Sol is totally missing the point -
Sol, including HALF a sentence in your question of context does not GIVE context…
You were speaking in terms of citizens of NO – in particular (as implied by your “hand out” portion of your statment) the lower class citizens of NO – the majority of which are African American – and you tag “monkeys” – a KNOWN racial slur – on the end, and is it any wonder that ANYONE thought you were referring to blacks? I know the FIRST time I read your statement, before I got anywhere near any of Clarks comments, that I what I thought. Take ONLY your post, and read ONLY your original post, without giving any background about the debate, to several neutral parties and then ask them what they thought you meant by “hand-out monkeys” and I bet you will be surprised by the answer. Clark is right – it is in the context of the ENTIRE comment, not one half sentence from it, like you are trying to make it – there is no context to the sentence you post trying to prove Clark wrong, because, for one thing, it is in an incomplete sentence which does not ALLOW for context…
Thank you, Anon. Mr. DevVB and I are old adversaries and I have had to kick his butt a few times. He resents that greatly and tries to get even whenever he can.
He has failed thus far, but he keeps on trying.
Like you, my first thought when reading his post was that it was a horribly racist comment.
I do believe, however, that Mr. DevVB would rather admit to eating live kittens raw before he would admit to making a racist statement.
It is fun, however, to watch him squirm and twist.
Isn’t it strange that Anon and Clark start posting at about the same time? Is he having a conversation with himself?
Clark
My God man, just answer this; what is different between these two sentence fragments:
“I was talking to a surrender monkey today, he said…”
“I was talking to a hand out monkey today, he said….”
The first one you make no racial connection to, the second you attribute to black people.
So the monkey thing is out. They both have monkey in them. Context is out. They are the same sentence fragments with surrender or hand out used.
When hand out is used, you attribute it to a race.
That makes you a racist Clark. You assign race. You prejudge. Prejudice. Dang!!!!
Anon, Clark, whatever…Original post (typo corrected). Note, makes no reference to the people of New Orleans:
“My gripe is the freakin hand out *monkeys* that want to blame Bush for NO. It was the Fu@k up mayor and governor. I actually used YOUR governor to expose that.”
Posted that one again and again. So the context being…
What race is a ‘Bush Monkey’?
Someone who supports Bush? Could be any.
You won’t give up, will you Mr. DevVB? How are those live kittens?
And now you try to claim that Anon and I are one in the same. You might want to do a little research – Anon has posted here before.
But anyway, you can deny the racist statement all you want – people of color consider it racist, it is considered racist in the urban world and all your talk cannot excuse it.
Sorry, you lose.
And all your efforts to project your racism on me are not going to work.
But nice try anyway.
And…….
“My God man”
I have had more than a few when say “Oh, God, oh God!” but I didn’t think that they meant that I was a God Man.
I could be wrong.
What race is a surrender monkey – of the cheese eating variety ?
Context, Mr. DevVB, context. You still haven’t answered why you chose that term. Was it just a subconscious reference?
Hmmmmm………………..
Yeah clark, those people of color. They should be damning the folks that coined the phrase surrender monkey, bush monkey… but not a word?
Look clark, you read something, read something into what you read, and now have back peddled for how many days?
The context of the statement has been beaten over your head for several days. It was not referencing the people of NO. It was not referencing a race.
You stepped in it by assigning race to it and you are spin spin spinning all the week long.
“”My God man”I have had more than a few when say “Oh, God, oh God!” but I didn’t think that they meant that I was a God Man.I could be wrong.”
You’ve made a few men say “Oh, God, oh God!”
Uhm, good for you?
You two have been pissing at each other the popcorn has gone stale and the soda has gone flat.
*at each other for so long
It helps to proofread. ::sigh::
Sorry to distract Tom,
I don’t take being called a racist lightly. WS-Net nanny loves to throw the label. I’m tired of it.
He’s not going to let me get away with it. Alright, game on.
“and now have back peddled for how many days”
One, I have never back peddled in the least. I stand by my original statement.
Two, trying to label me a homosexual is just Junior High School. I thought that you were more mature than that – I was obviously wrong.
If you want to trade insults, you are going to have to do better than that.
Christ, you won’t let go will you DevVB. A typical white guy – can’t even see his own racism, however it is pointed out to him.
And, by the way, Mr. DevVB, I am not going to let to get away with this one.
But keep trying……
“Like you, my first thought when reading his post was that it was a horribly racist comment.”
Finally! I knew if ws yakked long enough he would step in it (again)andk show all how he thinks. In your mind “hand out monkey” means Black people. You are rightfully ashamed, that’s why you keep it up, trying to deflect how your mind works.
“A typical white guy –“
Still a racist Clark. Jeeze.
OK clarkie,
What color is a surrender monkey?
What color is a Bush Monkey?
What color is a hand out monkey?
What color are the folks that blame Bush for NO?
Actually, Fleetwood, that comment was made by someone else, but nice try anyway.
And Tom (and whomever else) in my view, benign racism the worst the worst kind. Just as Mr. DevVB’s juvenile attempt to label me a homosexual is ridiculous, racism under the cloak of righteousness is the reason that it is so difficult to eradicate bigotry in this country.
White people scream and yell about their “oppression” (Read the comments about Leonard Pitts column in today’s Eagle.)but in truth, bigotry and benign racism flourishes even today.
I did not point out anything to Mr. DevVB that any eighteen year old doesn’t already know – the term is white code for African Americans.
If Mr. DevVB was ignorant of that – he should just say so.
If he meant the comment as it was taken, he should just admit as such and move on.
Regardless, I am not going to give him, or anyone else a pass on this.
If that offends some, well, sorry, but this issue is not one that can be just explained away.
One more tiiiiime.
“A typical white guy –“Still a racist Clark. Jeeze.
OK clarkie,What color is a surrender monkey?What color is a Bush Monkey?What color is a hand out monkey?What color are the folks that blame Bush for NO?
If you weren’t bragging about your ability to make another – man? – so “Oh God, Oh God” and call you a “God Man?” Then what the hell was that you wrote?
G’night y’all. I’ll bring in some fresh popcorn for tomorrow.
Sweet dreams Clark.
“Like you, my first thought when reading his post was that it was a horribly racist comment.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 01:37 PM”
“Actually, Fleetwood, that comment was made by someone else, but nice try anyway.Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 02:47 PM
You’ve already shown us how you really feel about Black people, there is no reason to deny things you wrote.
Isn’t it funny that the only people defending Mr. DevVB are Republank, a known nic switching troll, and Fleetwood, commonly known as the Blog’s Dumbest Poster.
Great company you keep, DevVB.
As for God man, you forgot the comma, not me, dude.
“Clark My God man,”
But accusing someone of being homosexual is just SOOOOOOO childish.
But I shouldn’t expect more from you or Republank or Fleetwood.
Three of a kind – all three racist pigs.
Clark,
You are reaching new depths. I have to say you have impressed me.
“Clark
My God man…”
You took that as WHAT???
Look, if you enjoy an alternative lifestyle, please keep that to yourself or at least keep me out of your fantasies.
And let’s go thru this one more time. Any time you want to admit you pulled the trigger too soon, tear it up.
Anyone can plainly see the context of “hand out monkey” if they care to scroll about a mile up thread. I’ve reposted the comment several times.
You blew it. You pulled the trigger too soon when you saw “hand out monkey” and thought immediately of black people. You and farmie –
Alright hold up a sec. Farmie was all too quick to pull the trigger too, but the last post I read from her she had hail and crop loss issues. She gets the benefit of the doubt since she hasn’t posted in quite a while.
Farmie, I hope you are too busy with successful operations to post. And if you aren’t, my prayers (whether you believe in God or not, He believes in YOU) are with you.
OK back to you Clark. You read “hand out monkey” and immediately thought about black people. That tells me you are a racist and expect black people to expect hand outs. What else could it be?
As for Bush monkey, surrender monkey – anything else, you have remained silent.
Context you preach. OK look at the post. “People who blame Bush.” They are black by default????
Clark, you pulled the trigger too soon. Admit it. You pull the racism card FAR too often.
As to you being a racist? I have my feelings, but you know what, I’ll concede those for the moment. Admit you pulled the trigger too soon and we’ll call it even.
You can plainly see the context – “The handout monkeys that blame Bush for NO” No where in there are the people of NO specifically. No where is there a reference to race.
What Clark did was hit “hand out” and “monkey” and pull the racism card. Oops oh clarkie, you blew it. Really, what else is there to say clarkie. You are too quick to pull that card….
Christ, once an idiot, always an idiot, DevVB.
You do not learn.
I did not decide that the term was racist, it was decided long before me.
Despite your protestations, it is considered a racist term – if you choose to ignore that – well, that is your problem.
Grow up and stop trying to be Fleetwood Light, DevVB.
You chose to use the word, DevVB, not me. The word was defined long before me.
Your argument is not with me. I merely pointed out your mistake.
Deal with it.
In the late Sixties, John Lennon wrote and performed a song called “Woman is the Nigger of the World.” In the song, he was comparing the plight of women in that era to black people in the Fifties and Sixties.
Obviously, Lennon was not using the term in a racist “CONTEXT.”
Fast forward to 2007.
In the black community and among decent white people, the term monkey is considered a racist, demeaning term, as noted in the Urban Dictionary.
Now, the way the term was used by Mr. DevVB was obviously not meant to be flattering, nor was it meant to be anything other than derogatory.
Now, substitute the word “nigger” for monkey.
How many folks would look at that usage and consider it benign?
The word is considered to be the same in the context that Mr. DevVB used it.
So, Mr. DevVB can continue to defend his use of the word, but right thinking people will still consider it to be racist.
What word is racist Clark?
Read the the god damned Urban Dictionary, DevVB.
Urban dictionary – Monkey can be a slang derogatory term for a black person …Surrender monkey = nothingHand out monkey = black
From WS Clark:“Now, substitute the word ‘nigger’ for monkey.”
Why would you use such a racist term Clark? Why would the word “nigger” just pop in your head like that?Clark = racist
Context – People who blame Bush. So how does that relate to black people?Hand out = blackClark = racist
“Like you, my first thought when reading his post was that it was a horribly racist comment.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 01:37 PM”
Clark’s first thought is racistClark = racist.
From WSClark…“A typical white guy –“Clark = racist
“Why would you use such a racist term Clark? Why would the word “nigger” just pop in your head like that?”
Because in the context you used it, the terms are BOTH considered racial slurs.
Read the dictionary definitions, Mr. DevVB.
Easy enough?
“Read the dictionary definitions, Mr. DevVB.”Posted by: WSClark | June 05, 2007 at 10:46 AM**********************************http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/Monkey**********************************“Now, substitute the word ‘nigger’ for monkey.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 07:49 PM
“Because in the context you used it, the terms are BOTH considered racial slurs.”Posted by: WSClark | June 05, 2007 at 10:46 AM
You know, Webster’s doesn’t really relate the two Clark.
“My gripe is the freakin hand out *monkeys* that want to blame Bush for NO.”Posted by: SolDevVB | May 31, 2007 at 10:55 AM
Clark reads this and what comes into his mind is—to quote Clark — “nigger”?
Let’s recap:“Now, substitute the word ‘nigger’ for monkey.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 07:49 PM
Clark likes to substitute words with ‘nigger’. Isn’t that nice?
“Like you, my first thought when reading his post was that it was a horribly racist comment.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 01:37 PM”
Clark’s first thoughts are raced based. Not color blind yet eh Clark?
“White people scream and yell…”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 02:47 PM
“A typical white guy –“Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 02:34 PM
WS just can’t seem to get race off of his mind. He seems quite fond of throwing racist labels. He finds racism in statements that bare no race. He drops the “N” bomb with impunity?
So, who is the racist here?
The longer you go on Clark, the more of a racist you prove yourself to be. For shame Clark, for shame.
Deny, spin, distort, blow smoke, project, yada, yada, yada……
You can cut and paste all you like, DevVB, you are just ignore what is right in front of your face…..
Using the term monkey, in the manner that you did, is considered racist by most people.
If you didn’t mean it as such, say so and move on…….
“My gripe is the freakin hand out *monkeys* that want to blame Bush for NO.”Posted by: SolDevVB | May 31, 2007 at 10:55 AM
Clark reads this and what comes into his mind is—to quote Clark — “nigger”?Posted by: SolDevVB | June 05, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Clark, your first thought is – as stated above – “nigger”?
And you hand me a racist label. It’s yours Clark. Wear it well as you have proven yourself racist over and over.
“Now, substitute the word ‘nigger’ for monkey.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 07:49 PM
“Like you, my first thought when reading his post was that it was a horribly racist comment.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 01:37 PM”
“White people scream and yell…”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 02:47 PM
“A typical white guy –“Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 02:34 PM
These are all your words. You have been stuck on race from the beginning. You have proven your racism over and over again.
Hey, keep it up. It will be good for people to see who you really are and how you really think.
“Hey, keep it up. It will be good for people to see who you really are and how you really think.”
The only people that have supported your use of a racist term have been Fleetwood, a.k.a., the Blog’s Dumbest Poster, and Republican, an admitted nic stealing troll.
You have great company Mr. DevVB.
Racist as YOU read it Clark.
Hey, if you read a sentence and the first thing that pops into your head is “nigger” – as you’ve pointed out, then who is the racist Clark?
Racist as Tom, Grrl and Anon read it also…..
And I didn’t say that the “N word” was the first thing I thought of – I was comparing it to the use of the word monkey – they are considered to both be racial slurs.
Now you are just being willfully ignorant.
By the way, Mr. DevVB, have you ever had a black friend or relative?
“Like you, my first thought when reading his post was that it was a horribly racist comment.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 01:37 PM”
“Now, substitute the word ‘nigger’ for monkey.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 07:49 PM
Is this thread going to be archived before you guys stop this back and forth? Anybody who reads here has already fromed an opinion on this subject. Thanks, but enough is enough, already.
I think the simple truth is that there is an underlying bit of racism in ultra conservative ideology. Why else would Limbaugh always go for the wink and nod type humor that he does.
Whereas, Fleetwood and Rebuplitroll will deny the above to their last breath, all the while making racist type jokes that they are either too dumb to see, or unable to see for some other reason.
So, you guys arguing about what a specific word means in this context is not going to sway what anyone thinks. So, enough already. Thank you.
Naw, SD, I am not going to let DevVB get away with that type of slur.
Sorry, I can’t. I have five biracial nieces and nephews. If a white person willfully uses racist terms, or ignorantly uses the same term, I am going to point it out.
DevVB has had to chance to just say that he wasn’t aware that it was considered a racial slur.
Easy enough.
Instead, he continues to argue that it was an innocent word, despite being shown what it means in slang terms.
Whatever.
“Naw, SD, I am not going to let DevVB get away with that type of slur.”Posted by: WSClark | June 05, 2007 at 12:13 PM
“Now, substitute the word ‘nigger’ for monkey.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 07:49 PM
“If a white person willfully uses racist terms, or ignorantly uses the same term, I am going to point it out.”Posted by: WSClark | June 05, 2007 at 12:13 PM
“Now, substitute the word ‘nigger’ for monkey.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 07:49 PM
“I have five biracial nieces and nephews.”Posted by: WSClark | June 05, 2007 at 12:13 PM
And Clark do you advise them as well to:
“Now, substitute the word ‘nigger’ for monkey.”Posted by: WSClark | June 04, 2007 at 07:49 PM
Would you both please just SHUT UP about this!
SHUT UP!
FOR GOD’S SAKE, SHUT UP!
Thank you . . .
The Management
An idiot Capn’, I am dealing with an idiot.
But no, I will not back down to a racist punk like Mr. DevVB.
Never.