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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted May 7, 2007 at 1:06 a.m.
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If Imus can get fired for making stupid and ignorant racist comments about the Rutgers womens basketball team, WHY cant RUSH get fired for playing his overtly racist song, “Barack the Magic Negro” repeatedly on his radio show, and then defending the use of the extremely racist piece of crap???
Maybe Imus should take up the cause of getting RUSH fired!!
Because Rush was demonstrating how he could use the same terminology as the liberal rag, the LA Times, and if folks want to go after him – he knows they will need to go after the ones who first published the “Obama the Magic Negro” account.
And because the liberal author claims there really IS some sort of Sociological impetus behind the ‘magic negro’ label in societal terms.
Rush is only repeating the terminology. He knows that for the heat to come down on him – it will have to land on the LA Times, too, and he knows the liberals don’t want that.
So, it’s kind of a catch-22 for the liberals who are offended.
Because they are offending themselves.
lol
DON’T BE FOOLED … THE CURRENT OVER-ABUNDANCE OF RAINFALL IN KANSAS DOES NOT ALLEVIATE THE RAPID DRAIN OF OUR UNDERGROUND OGALLALA ACQUIFERS.
These rains will put water into our rivers for a time and put water into our wheat fields and our vegatable gardens. I might even get some tomatoes on my ten tomato bushes this year.
But recharge of our underground aquifers is a slow process OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS and these short term rains won’t refill them.
By its very nature, rain water becomes polluted as soon as it hits the ground … pollution by road chemicals, agricultural chemicals, yard chemicals, air pollution settlement, etc.
In Kansas and several adjoining states, we were given the gravel beds from the erosion of the young Rocky Mountains, gravel beds which accumulated water like a sponge for hundreds of thousands of years.
This ancient underground aquifer water, of course, is far purer than rain water falling over essentially an industrial world.
But now, in 2007, our state government is intent on giving away this fresh pure water essentially FREE to the proposed electrical power and ethanol manufacturing industries. Our government’s attitude seems to be, Help industry and let the people drink the sewage effluent flowing in the rivers.”
The situation should be reversed … let these new industries use sewage effluent which treated would be perfectly good for their usage.
The highest and best use of our underground ogallala aquifer water is for …… DRINKING WATER ….. either through our municipal water systems or bottled and sold for a profit. I notice that Dillons sells bottled water for a $1 per gallon jug and much more when bottled in smaller bottles with colorful labels. How about Budwieser six packs of WATER?
Now this would be a BILLION DOLLAR, ACTUALLY I SHOULD SAY A TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY FOR KANSAS, THE SUNFLOWER STATE.
DON’T BE FOOLED … THE CURRENT OVER-ABUNDANCE OF RAINFALL IN KANSAS DOES NOT ALLEVIATE THE RAPID DRAIN OF OUR UNDERGROUND OGALLALA ACQUIFERS.
These rains will put water into our rivers for a time and put water into our wheat fields and our vegatable gardens. I might even get some tomatoes on my ten tomato bushes this year.
But recharge of our underground aquifers is a slow process OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS and these short term rains won’t refill them.
By its very nature, rain water becomes polluted as soon as it hits the ground … pollution by road chemicals, agricultural chemicals, yard chemicals, air pollution settlement, etc.
In Kansas and several adjoining states, we were given the gravel beds from the erosion of the young Rocky Mountains, gravel beds which accumulated water like a sponge for hundreds of thousands of years.
This ancient underground aquifer water, of course, is far purer than rain water falling over essentially an industrial world.
But now, in 2007, our state government is intent on giving away this fresh pure water essentially FREE to the proposed electrical power and ethanol manufacturing industries. Our government’s attitude seems to be, Help industry and let the people drink the sewage effluent flowing in the rivers.”
The situation should be reversed … let these new industries use sewage effluent which treated would be perfectly good for their usage.
The highest and best use of our underground ogallala aquifer water is for …… DRINKING WATER ….. either through our municipal water systems or bottled and sold for a profit. I notice that Dillons sells bottled water for a $1 per gallon jug and much more when bottled in smaller bottles with colorful labels. How about Budwieser six packs of WATER?
Now this would be a BILLION DOLLAR, ACTUALLY I SHOULD SAY A TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY FOR KANSAS, THE SUNFLOWER STATE.
Well, if it means taking down the LA Times to get rid of RUSH, then I’m all for it…
You might be, Chas – but the Times has a very staunch liberal following that doesn’t dare criticize it – because they need it.
I don’t listen to Rush, so I don’t care if he stays or goes, but if he goes – there are probably a lot of race-baiter’s that ought to go at the same time.
Remember the pet food scare from China. Check this out. http://www.chinapost.com.tw/news/archives/front/200757/108954.htm The New York Times originally broke the story.
It’s about contaminated medicine killing kids in Latin America.How come this doesn’t make the news? Are our friggin’ pets more important than Panamanian children? And why are we even trading with these people?
And by the way freepers; this is what an unregulated market produces.
Thank the automated robot for the double posting above. Sorry.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/world/americas/06poison.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
I know no one cares, but here’s a further link to the story about how Chinese counterfit pharms kill folks.
http://kansas.com/519/story/63218.html
………The deadliest attack Sunday against U.S. forces occurred in Diyala, where six U.S. soldiers and a European journalist were killed when a massive bomb destroyed their vehicle, the U.S. military said. Two U.S. soldiers were wounded, the military said. The U.S. did not identify the journalist.
Two other American soldiers died Sunday in separate bombings in Baghdad.
The military Sunday also reported three other deaths – two Marines in a blast Saturday in Anbar province and a soldier who died Sunday in a non-combat incident in northern Iraq
“O God, our Heavenly Father, we rem ember before Thee this day,those who laid down their lives in the service of their country.
We remember their courage and devotion to the Sovereign and the country they served.
We pray that their labours be not in vain but that their spirit may live on in us and the generations to come.
We pray that liberty, truth and love may spread over all the world ’til war shall cease to be.
We remember our brethren who are in sickness or distress.
We remember the widows and other dependants.
We dedicate ourselves to Thy service in the name of those whose memory we revere.
We ask this in the name of our Lord.” “Amen”
Excellent post JWink. Worth reading twice.
To put the Obama discussion in context, here is a link to the original LA Times OpEd:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center
Good morning. Hope y’all and y’all’s loved ones are safe after the storms down there.
This is David Ehrenstein’s biography:
http://www.ehrensteinland.com/htmls/bio.html
What I got from the E! guy’s op ed was that Obama might be appealing as a collective unconscious projection of a “healing black man” to assauge “liberal white guilt”.
Seems like fair criticism and judging from Ehrenstein’s site he might know something about stereotypes and bigotry.
I hope Obama’s campaign means more than what Ehrenstein is speculating here. Time will tell.
Being outraged by Limbaugh only gives the drug addled hack undeserved validation. I suggest NOT doing that.
The photos of Greensburg show the tallest structure still standing. If I was building new in Kansas, I’d point my architect toward a grain elevator and say “make it out of that stuff.”
I am absolutely serious about this. Stick built houses may be customary in the Plains, but we should be building better.
http://www.local6.com/weather/13267015/detail.html
Where is the Kansas National Guard to help Greensburg after the tornado?
In Iraq, of course . . .
*****
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius said the state’s response will likely be hampered because much of the equipment usually positioned around the state to respond to emergencies is now in Iraq. That includes things like tents, trucks and semitrailers.
“This is devastation beyond belief,” Sebelius said Monday morining on NBC’s “Today Show.” “We’ve had serious tornados in Kansas, but to have a whole community wiped out at once is unbelievable.”
Russell–
You are absolutely right. Concrete houses are cost-effective and save big on energy.
People all over the world have been building them for decades.
But here, we’re stuck with a “throw ‘em up and make a profit” mentality.
Another excellent example of how the so-called “free market” isn’t that free. There is a huge bias toward doing things the same way–i.e., maintaining the status quo.
So “tornado-resistant” houses can’t be built here because of – what? Seems to me like a great niche market if you could get local building codes, lenders and insurers to go along. BTW here are two companies I’m looking at for my second home in New Mexico. Concrete also resists wildfires a lot better than frame.
http://www.monolithic.comhttp://www.aidomes.com/
When I was a dumb hippie, I wanted a dome because it was counter-cultural or some crap.Now I’m a just a lazy old man and I want one because I won’t have to keep screwing with it when it’s done.
Since you have brought Imus, something I have been wondering about in the same venue.Imus lost his job over saying something that was offensive to a specific race, gender and others that were P.C.
While about the same time, Charles Krauthhammer during a discussion on the Fox channel. As to why the Democrats made a distinction between Iraq and Afghanistan and why they refer to Afghanistan as the right war. Krauthhammer was the first to address the question and said “ The Democrats are all for a right and just war against someone that has attacked us. But what is the greater prize? If we win in Afghanistan there is no oil and the people are backwards. But if we win in Iraq, there is oil!”
Now if you were to choose a reason to support a war, which would you choose? He statement is better fit for a Pirate not a thinking moral person, not a thought of the greatest country in the world! As disturbing as the statement was I found it even more disturbing that none of the rest of the panel corner him on it! A couple of the panel actually shook their heads yes in agreement. Now is this the view of the Fox channel? Of the Conservatives at large? Where was the outcry from the public?
Is Imus’s statement any more or less offensive then Krauthhammer’s to sensible people?This is from his article on the subject:
“One is in Afghanistan, a geographically marginal backwater with no resources and no industrial or technological infrastructure. The other is in Iraq, one of the three principal Arab states, with untold oil wealth, an educated population, an advanced military and technological infrastructure that, though suffering decay in the later years of Saddam Hussein’s rule, could easily be revived if it falls into the right (i.e., wrong) hands. Add to that the fact that its strategic location would give its rulers inordinate influence over the entire Persian Gulf region, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the Gulf states. Then ask your Martian: Which is the more important battle?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/29/AR2007032901987.html
As a thinking person I am offended, as a American I am offended, as a Conservative I am offended.And there is little comfort in the fact that Krauthhammer is a Canadian. I have not seen him on Fox till last weekend. I had hope that the channel had showed some integrity and simply taken him off their guest commentator list. But it appears not…..
Hehehehehe. Could this be why GS and the other wingers here hate the LA Times? And since when is “they did it too” a justifiable excuse for racism? Only in republican land…
Bring them home (LA Times OpEd)WHATEVER THE future holds, the United States has not “lost” and cannot “lose” Iraq. It was never ours in the first place. And however history will judge the war, some key U.S. goals have been accomplished: Saddam Hussein has been ousted, tried and executed; Iraqis have held three elections, adopted a constitution and established a rudimentary democracy.
But what now? After four years of war, more than $350 billion spent and 3,363 U.S. soldiers killed and 24,310 wounded, it seems increasingly obvious that an Iraqi political settlement cannot be achieved in the shadow of an indefinite foreign occupation. The U.S. military presence — opposed by more than three-quarters of Iraqis — inflames terrorism and delays what should be the primary and most pressing goal: meaningful reconciliation among the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds.
This newspaper reluctantly endorsed the U.S. troop surge as the last, best hope for stabilizing conditions so that the elected Iraqi government could assume full responsibility for its affairs. But we also warned that the troops should not be used to referee a civil war. That, regrettably, is what has happened.
The mire deepens against a backdrop of domestic U.S. politics in which support for the ill-defined mission wanes by the week. Better to begin planning a careful, strategic withdrawal from Iraq now, based on the strategies laid out by the Iraq Study Group, than allow for the 2008 campaign season to create a precipitous pullout.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-iraq6may06,0,...
So far, the meetups have been great fun. I dont know of ANYONE who has been harrassed because they attended a meetup.
GS just sounds like a whiney kid who wasnt invited to the neighborhood birthday party.
I dont know of anyone who has regretted attending a meetup. Lawsuits? I think the WEBlog is waaaaaaaay more of a lawsuit magnet than any meetup.
If someone doesnt want to attend a meetup, they dont have to. It’s called choice.
Dont you love that GS is so afraid, that not only will SHE not attend, she shrilly commands her subjects not to attend the party? I guess she is just ashamed of who she is and her posts here. Good thing most of us have nothing to hide.
Junior High much?
I never really liked the LA Times when I lived there. Subscribed to it for a few years, but got tired of it. Not because of content or perceived ’slant’ one way or the other, but mainly because of “poundage”. That paper is huge..and it seems about 80% of it is full page ads for The Broadway, Macy’s, etc. Go thru 4 pages of ads to read one news story.
But…it does (at least it used to) cost less than the Eagle..and is delivered in a much more reliable manner.
Something somewhat scary in the stock market. I have thoroughly enjoyed the runup in prices; they would seem to indicate good news for the economy. But, I noticed this bit this morning: “The Dow has now risen in 23 of the last 26 sessions, marking its longest bull run since the summer of 1927, when the indicator ended higher in 24 of 27 sessions, according to Dow Jones.”
Not too long after 1927 came 1929 …
A wonderful comment and some insight into the use of the word “leftist”. You’ll see the usual suspects.http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/7290
Sunday With The Lamestream Mediaby Timothy Gatto | May 6 2007
The Lamestream Media talk show hosts are asking the question; If the Democratic Party compromises with the Bush administration, won’t that alienate the left wing of the party?
The left wing, the left wing, just who is the left wing of the Democratic party? Move On? They have been mentioned more than once. Daily Kos? They have been noted for portraying the principles of the left. The Huffington Post? OpEdNews? The Smirking Chimp? Of Course, they do actually represent the left…sort of.
What about the Democratic Underground and the Democratic Party’s own website? How about the polls?
When 73% of the people polled think we are running our country into the ground, it’s not a left wing complaint anymore.
When 59% of the people support the pullout that the Dems sponsored, it was many more people than the ones that are tuned into the left.
The Lamestream Media is trying to portray this as a left against everyone else’s problem. It isn’t just the left that want us out of Iraq anymore. Even families that have military people serving in Iraq, the majority, something like 71% want us out of there. (CBS NEWS)
So why is the onus being put on the left? It’s an old psychological trick. When the news media identifies people against the war as being “leftists”, the word has really bad connotations to those in the middle. It brings up memories of leftist governments that eventually allied against us in the cold war. It brings to mind totalitarian communist states, memories from the hangover of the Cold War.
Nobody wants to be labeled as a communist or a socialist. Left is a step toward those labels. Of course we that are on the left know that the thinking behind those ideas is flawed.
I’m a retired military man and I’ve always leaned a little to the left. The left is just a label. It differentiates us from those on the right.
Some people on the right aren’t Nazi’s. When you talk about the extreme right, now you are talking about something else. The same goes for the extreme left.
Still, these are still labels. Labels are put on different groups to help people understand where groups are actually coming from in their attitudes towards domestic and international issues. Sometime labels are useful, other times they obscure an argument as in this case.
It isn’t the liberal left base that the Democrats need to keep on their side. It’s the 59% of ALL the people that believe that we need a change of direction in Iraq.
This isn’t a right or left debate at all, no matter how the Lamestream media try to make it so. Ron Paul, a Republican candidate for President wants us out of Iraq. Is he a leftist? I don’t believe he is. Wes Clark wants us to rethink Iraq, is the General a leftist?
The media must take labels out of an issue that involves 59% of the population. There are Republicans that want us out of Iraq. There are people on the right that want us out. It isn’t just the liberal left of the Democratic Party. The Lamestream Media should cease trying to make it just a liberal/left issue, because it’s not.
This is why American are simply getting tired of their reporting. This is why they are getting their information from the internet. It’s also a good idea. Watching them, you have to be careful about what to believe. They are not always telling you the truth.
Sometimes they are not just trying to report the facts, but trying to influence what people think about what they report. That’s also bias, and there is no place for that in news reporting.”
hee hee hee! Remember when falwell and robertson blamed natural disasters and 9/11 on evil liberals and homosexuals? On the sinful lifestyle of New Orleans?
Here is a great quote from another blog.
“Where’s all the religious leaders explaining about how all thedisasters hitting Kansas are because of the liberals and homosexuals and immorality in Kansas?”
I mean, since Kansas has done such a fine job of rousting the queers and squashing the progressives and all… how could such disasters happen here?
ksfarmgrrl,
No kiddin’. Let’s just say I ain’t holding my breath waiting for Falwell/Robertson’s judgment as to Divine Judgment.
But wait, maybe it was YOU, ksfarmgrrl, that God was trying to smite!
Just sayin’.
hee hee hee CF. And it didnt even rain here…
Farmgrrl, you are on a roll this morning… keep it coming… good way to start the week!!
And GS, Imus supporters, like Rush and other talking heads, also said Imus was “just using words” he had heard from RAPpers, and HipHop… I guess that means he was OK as well… Please… Dont insult my intelligence with that kind of drivel…
The LA Times reference, as Steven pointed out, was an OP-ED piece… And if you READ it, you will find out what the REAL article was all about… NOT what Rush said…
Ummm Farmgrrl, Kansas doesnt need Fallwell and Robertson… Remember, we have the Phelps’s to handle those judgments for them…
They havent weighed in on Greensburg yet… Maybe they remember the Topeka tornados…
It is sad though… I just stopped for coffee in Greensburg one week ago today, before the town was reduced to toothpicks…
Keep it comin’ Farmgrrl!!!
Actually, most people don’t give a crap about homosexuals in Kansas. If they want to play butt Olympics, more power to them. Just keep it behind closed doors.
But I guess another chance for the Left to play the victim card and howl about someone’s judgment on them. Who cares? I don’t, that’s for sure.
Well Chas, the problem is that people LISTEN to falwell and robertson, unlike the phelps clan.
People take roberson and falwell seriously instead of treating them as part of the comedy show, a la phelps and his phamily values…
“Actually, most people don’t give a crap about homosexuals in Kansas.”
Proof once again that even a blind pig can find an acorn once in a while.
Butt Olympics? JM, no wonder you never married. Why do I suspect you are a one trick pony in the romance department? No imagination? No creativity? Just the ol’ in and out? No surprise there I guess.
You know what lesbians do in bed, JM? (I cant speak for the guys :)
They do the same things straight people do. Just longer and better.
hehehehehe!
Concrete houses, well how about underground houses? We all have basements anyway, and they’re made of concrete.
And you wouldn’t have to worry about falling off your roof at Christmastime when you put up the lights.
KFG, are they planning another meetup?
As usual, my comments about the ‘meet ups’ went right over farmie’s head.
She has quickly forgotten how she used personal information from dubious sources from the last said meet up to harass others.
I understand it’s probably the only social outlet for her – and a handful of desperate others, but many of us have lives separate from online message boards.
I guess there’s not really any way to illustrate to the “please accept me” crowd, that just because you bring a bucket of fried chicken to feed a bunch of folks who should remain strangers – and go home with some pity-pats on the back – doesn’t mean you’ve made a wise decision.
So – I won’t try.
Pmom, some of the bloggers are planning a private meetup. Not sanctioned by the WE :)
Of course, GS would only know that if she has been reading the Wichita Voice.
“Proof once again that even a blind pig can find an acorn once in a while.”—–
The saying is blind ’squirrel,’ not pig.
Heheheheheheheh. Funny stuff! The only reasons to avoid a meetup are:
Scheduling, which is my problem right now.
Lies about yourself that will become readily apparant at a meetup. That was golfnutz problem.
You have no friends and were not invited. I think that would be the GS problem…
http://bits.westhost.com/idioms/id191.htm
I’m still mystified as to why GS remains obsessed with me. Whatever.
And I am also mystified as to why she hates meetups and is so shrill about insisting OTHERS be afraid as well.
If yer not attending, why do you care if some of us friends get together?
I’m tellin’ ya. It’s the old “my mother had to tie a pork chop around my neck so the dog would play with me”…
Hee hee hee. To paraphrase Groucho Marx, “I wouldnt attend any party where I wasnt invited”.
With apologies to the Great Groucho.
Sorry farmie – I am invited to numerous events, including meet-ups, quite often.
If I gave you the impression I cared what you did – I’m sorry. I don’t.
I just think it’s stupid, foolhardy, and something only wallflowers desperate for any kind of attention attend.
If the shoe fits…kick yourself with it.
And I believe you when you say your mummy had to employ that pork chop around your neck and all, but I won’t hold it against you.
lol
KFG… Where would the “meetup” be posted?? Thanks!!
A comment about our aquifers after all this rain: For decades I have been pushing for more detention/retention along our tributaries rather than channelization. The reasons are two-fold: save the water for aquifer recharge and better flood control.
Today we see a flood crest working its way down the Little Ark river. This will be channelized further with the Ditch and sent southwards through Ark City to Oklahoma. Meanwhile we have seen other stream flooding throughout the region.
Instead of this we need more detention/retention in the very small streams throughout our developments. These can then either ‘bleed’ the water out into downstream or can allow infiltration into the groundwater. Or, more likely, a combination of both. This would relieve the pressure on downstream areas as well as recharge the aquifer.
“I just think it’s stupid, foolhardy, and something only wallflowers desperate for any kind of attention attend.”
I’ll tell all the SJ board members, including Colt that you feel that way.
You do realize that was an insult to darn near 95% of us?
“I’ll tell all the SJ board members, including Colt that you feel that way.
You do realize that was an insult to darn near 95% of us?”——————-
Oh, come on, PM – I didn’t mean to insult the crew from there.
We both know they are head and shoulders (intellectually) above the posters here.
Even YOU have to admit that they don’t call each other by slang terms for genitalia…
I didn’t go to that one because I just don’t do those kinds of things.
But I would never put those folks in the same category as some here…not you.
Besides, that was more of a private thing – not everyone was invited by any means. Correct?
Please post the info regarding the meet up. I would love to be able to put a face with a post. Please post it here or send me an email.
That is true. But from what I understand KFG’s wasn’t open without invitation either.
No offense guys. It’s a private meetup and I’m not the one hosting, so I dont feel comfortable posting more about it here. It’s private for a reason.
But if either of you would like to host a meetup, usually in a park, you are welcome to do so. I’ll bet you get a good attendance. They’ve always been fun and well received.
OK… thanks KFG… That might be a fun thing to do during the Summer months… Didnt mean to put you on the spot!!
Hey farmgrrl,
I’m sure that the reason some people don’t go to the meetups is because they are so nasty on the BLOG.
If I was a betting man (and I am) I would bet the reason Clark isn’t coming is because he doesn’t have the balls to look some of us mean old conservatives that he has been defaming.
I’m not coming because we’ll be in Emporia at the dog show. Otherwise we’d be there.
Hank
PS Thought about ou over the weekend, glad to see you made it!
Thanks for the good thoughts Hank. It didnt even rain here.
You might be surprised who will or who wont come to the meetup, let alone know their reasons. Lots of communications go on in private emails, so I wouldnt jump to any conclusions.
And for the record, Hank has been quite charming and gracious at the meetups and hosted the first one.
Funniest meetup moment? I havent been to all of them, but at the first one, JR swaggered over to the group and introduced himself by saying “Hi, I’m crusaderx”.
Crickets chirping.
Then he busted out laughing and said he was JR and we all had a big laugh.
And for those of you who dont know…
Cruex was the biggest blog ass before the arrival of JM and GS. He threatened to put a bullet in Ed’s head. Thankfully, no one has yet met cruex in person.
At least not that we know :)
Thanks farmgrrl,
I’m planning on having a big party for the boy in June, maybe. It’ll be for the neighborhood and any BLOGrats that want to attend.
There’ll be some ‘civilians’ there so the BLOGers should be able to sneek in under the radar!
Still hoping to get to your restuarant some weekend! I’ve been in the neighborhood several times but during the week.
Hank
Hi Hank. I have only been able to make it to the very first one – organized by Hank – the others have all been schedule conflicts. Had a great time putting faces to names.
Even though Hank DID threaten me with that spatula …
Well, maybe not …
Maybe he was just serving up burgers …
;^)
Actually I was trying to get you! But I’m a slow, old guy with a two step memory.
Most people are safe if they keep their distance!
Mary Caruso did as much as I did to put that first one on. We make a good combination, she is almost as far to the left as I am to the right!
Hank
We make two old guys … by the time we hit each other we will have forgotten why!
“If I was a betting man (and I am) I would bet the reason Clark isn’t coming is because he doesn’t have the balls to look some of us mean old conservatives that he has been defaming.”
I have more “balls” than you could ever hope to have, Hankie.
And just for the record, I have not decided whether to attend the “other blogs” meet.
To set the record straight, my original reason for not wanting to attend was your son was bragging that he would be carrying a weapon to scare the liberals.
That does not particularly frighten me, but that is the weekend for my granddaughter to spend with me and I do not want her in a hostile environment.
That is what a good Grandpa would do.
I’d host a meetup, but I don’t live in Wichita and I doubt all that many would be willing to travel so far.
I guess I ought think about another SJ one.
“To set the record straight, my original reason for not wanting to attend was your son was bragging that he would be carrying a weapon to scare the liberals.”
Bullshit Clark.
Actually Clark, my boy never made any such brag. Truth be known, I think you were grabbing at any straw to have as an excuse.
You’ve made judgments about my son and other people based solely on their comments on this and other BLOGs. Shame on you. My boy is one of the finest men that I know. Just because he gets some old man’s panties in a wad on a BLOG doesn’t mean anything about his character. It does spek volumes about yours though.
His comments were to Julie. Julie and Mountainman know him. They understand the context in which his remarks were made. It’s not that you didn’t understand the remarks, it’s that your preconcieved notions prevented you from even trying to understand. That upgrades you from being merely ignorant to stupid.
At the first meetup Nathan and I both had guns in the truck. The way we were transporting them was entirely legal. I have a gun in my truck now. Legally. You are actually safer at a picnic with me or my boy there armed than you would be with an on duty policeman. We are both better shots than 95% of the policemen that are carrying guns!
Hank
I have to back up hank here. Nathan might be a bit of a “dumb-ass kid” (that’s the grey speaking) sometimes but I must agree that he is a fine young man. I never felt threatened by either Hank or Nathan. We did have a lively discussion about energy, particularly nuclear.
By the way Hank – were you in nuke subs?
Nice try, Hank.
Nathan said that he would have his concealed carry permit in time for the meet so that “he could make the liberals wet their pants.”
Why would anyone want to bring a gun to a social gathering to make another party “wet their pants?”
That is all beside the point – I am not afraid of you or Nathan in any way. I would not want my seven year old granddaughter to be in a hostile environment.
As far as being safe – I can take care of myself – I certainly do not need you or Nathan to assist me in any regard.
“You’ve made judgments about my son and other people based solely on their comments on this and other BLOGs”
And what else am I supposed to use to make a judgment about a social gathering?
You are the one that is making false judgments, Hank, you don’t know me at all.
Thank God.
A couple of Republicans decide to harass a liberal for driving a Beemer.
See what happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPofRQdREyU&mode=related&search=
Is this the same Nathan that trolled Tracy and made vulgar and disgusting remarks about his paraplegic father?
I thought so.
And, by the way, Hank, the comment was made on a public blog – hardly a private message.
Bragging about bringing a gun to a social gathering is hardly the work of a “fine young man.”
I’m sorry Clark but you are wrong again.
Nathan said, to Julie, that he should have his concealed carry by the time of the meetup. That should make the liberal’s wet their pants.
He never actually said that he was going to bring his gun. You sir, inferred something that he did not imply. Your bad.
When Julie asked him not to bring his gun, he aggreed.
There is a saying that a liar will never believe you and a thief will never trust you. The fact that you didn’t believe Nathan when he explained his comments on the other BLOG say more about your character than his.
Hank
Strange how quiet Republican is on this one.
Remember when he gleefully and repeatedly ridiculed me when I JOKED I would bring a gun to the last meetup at the Eagle?
Not a word against Nathan . . .
I guess if you seriously bring a gun, it’s okay.
Just don’t kid about bringing one to make a point . . .
I read Nathan’s comment correctly the first time. I completely understood his intention. Why feel the need to brag about his permit if the intent was not an attempt to intimidate?
Even a mild-mannered individual like Linda felt the need to back off from attending the meet.
And, as I stated before, this weekend is my weekend with my granddaughter. She spends one or two weekends a month at Grandpa’s house. She is only seven – why put her in an environment where I have to deal with someone that very obviously and publicly has no consideration for me or my family?
Why should I trust you or Nathan, Mr. Price?
Because you say so?
Hardly.
Thanks for the kind words Ben.
SS395 the Redfish an old WWII diesel boat was my first sub.
Two Boomers, SSBN619 the Andrew Jackson and SSBN625 the Henry Clay. Then three fast attacks, SSN680 the William H Bates, SSN686 the L. Mendel Rivers and I retired off SSN681, the Batfish.
I also did two tours of duty at Navy Nuclear Power School in Idaho.
Hank
Nuke school … at some point I would like to discuss possible applications of small reactors for civilian use.
Hank, He absolutely DID make “such brag.” (I used your words.)
The blog had been discussing a meetup, the person who volunteered to set it up had posted earlier in the day it was close to being set (waiting on a confirming phone call). Shortly, the announcement was made and 5 minutes later the first poster to address the just-announced meetup was Nathan whose first post was,—–”Of course I will do my best to come. By then I should have my Concealed carry permit too.
Just want you liberal anti-gun people to wet your pants :)”
Posted By Nathan | 4/24/07 1:49 PM—–
As the day went on several posters expressed their discomfort NOT with any gun but with a person whose first comment was about a gun at a social event. Many went to great lengths to explain they weren’t afraid of or intimidated by an inanimate object (a gun) but a person who was immature enough to use carrying a concealed weapon as a joke or a threat and was warning he planned to be in possession of a gun at a social event.
He continued with comments like,—–Well,
Since I seemed to have caused the typical bed wetting I had anticipated…
I figure I will let you all know now:
I will be carrying concealed in the city of Wichita almost everywhere I am allowed to.
I do frequent the Walmart on East and West Kellogg, so don’t go there anymore.
I love to go to the Warren for the usual Friday or Saturday night movie. Most likely I will be going to the one on the West side and sometimes old town. So don’t go there anymore either.
I drive on Kellogg usually every day. So if you are worried about being on the same road as me, I would stay off of Kellogg.
If you attended any of the other blog meet ups, well, I had already brought my pistol to those so I hope you are counting your blessings for making it out alive.
I will compile a larger and more comprehensive list of the locations you should probably avoid for the future.
Posted By Nathan | 4/24/07 3:53 PM—–
Nathan is a complete stranger to me. I’ve never met him, know nothing except what has been posted. Often times his posts sound angry to me. More than once he has directed angry comments TO me. Angry with me, not my differing opinions.
I am of the opinion that responsible adult people who legally carry concealed weapons don’t even want it known they are carrying. They certainly don’t brag about such or use such as a joke or a threat to people they’ve never even met.
This all happened three days after the shootings at Virginia Tech. We had much conversation about that topic and all wondered how the warning signs could be ignored, speculated on how lives could have been saved IF ONLY, wondered what caused a person to go over the edge of reason…
Nathan used carrying a gun to intimidate for whatever reason. And he ruined what many of us had looked forward to!
Actually Clark,
My boy is a Marine. A quiet soft spoken warrior. He teaches small arms markmanship and martial arts in the Marine Corps.
He doesn’t have to be armed to intimidate someone. If he wanted to intimidate you his physical presence would suffice!
Your granddaugher would fall in love with him! You’ld like him too in person.
You’ld like him too Linda!
Hank
“If he wanted to intimidate you his physical presence would suffice!”
I do not intimidate easily. I am certain that Nathan could not reach that point. As for my granddaughter, I would expect that Nathan would respect my desire (and that of her mother and stepfather) that he not come anywhere near her.
As for liking him in person – I have no intention of conversing with him or you.
This liberal doesn’t have any problems with concealed carry or for that matter, guns in general.
Several close relatives have their CC already and I wouldn’t mind getting one myself.
But after the Virgina Tech massacre, boasting about how you can scare people with a gun doesn’t seem terribly responsible.
I’d enjoy a discussion like that Ben. What do you consider ’small’?
The Navy reactors were inherently stabile. There’s an old saying, “Put a sailor in a padded room with three ball bearings and he’ll lose one, break one and eat one.”
The fact that the Navy has operated over two hundred water moderated thermal reators without any serious incidents is testimony to the training program set up by Richover and the safety of the reactors.
It is possible to make a small nuclear ractor that is safe, but not in the political environment that exists today. When oil reaches $200 dollars a barrell and it costs $300 dollars a month to operate your gas water heater, get back to me!
Hank
“As for liking him in person – I have no intention of conversing with him or you.”
Well Clark, that’s your little problem, not mine.
I can assure you that your granddaughter will never read the profane language from my boy or me that she is currently old enough to read from you.
Hank
“If you attended any of the other blog meet ups, well, I had already brought my pistol to those so I hope you are counting your blessings for making it out alive.”
That is profane.
People that have attended a social gathering with your son should be thankful that they made it out alive?
I guess we have different definitions of profanity.
Hank – thinking about commercial electricity production relatively close to population centers. Also possibly modular units that could be located where needed.
As you know, I am on the global warming side. I see nuke as a part of the answer. I like the idea of the reactor designs that inherently shut down rather than melt down if systems collapse.
My fuel supply: deactivated warheads (for example Ukraine’s are in Savannah River) back-mixed with depleted uranium.
My pro-nuke stance tends to get some people upset but … they’ll just have to get over it!
As I said before Clark, my boy and I both had guns at the first meetup. I always have a gun in my motorhome or pickup. Legally.
Nothing profane about it at all.
What’s profane is politicians legislateling ‘gun free’ killing zones so that atrocities like VPI can happen.
Nathan and I have applied for our CCH permit so that we can actually carry a handgun concealed on our person legally if we want to.
What should scare you and other leberals is the fact that there is already a bunch of criminals that carry guns with them every day. Illigally.
Hank
Well, looks like I need to set the record straight here once again.
I never threatened anyone with my gun.
I actually siad several times after my original comment that I was not threatening anyone and I would never harm them either.
Everytime I tried to say I was not threatening anyone, Clark would come back even more threatened.
There was nothing I could do or say to someone who was acting as irrational as he was to everything I said.
My comments were meant for the typical anti-gun crowd who wet their pants at the thought of anyone carrying concealed let alone myself.
My comments were made to make you wet your pants not because I was threatening you with my gun, but because you are the typical anti-gun person who wets their pants at the thought of someone carrying a gun.
No matter how many times I tried to say I was not a threat and agreed to Julies terms WS Clark kept going even further off the deep end of saying I was threatening him.
Even now, he is still refusing to be anything less than overly emotional and irrational.
On one hand he keeps saying that he is not intimidated or scared of me or my father, trying to act like he is some tough guy and yet he still says he is scared of me?
It makes no sense.
The guy said he notified the Sheriff, threatened to call my work place…
Sheesh, dealing with someone so irrational and full of hate as WS Clark is near impossible.
WS Clark is suffering from the Wo is me synodrome.
He is having more fun feeling sorry for himself than he would if he simply came to the meetup and stoped acting like the drama queen.
However, my father is right. I think WS Clark is simple scared that if he were to come he would actually have to be somewhat nice to us.
The only reason he wouldn’t bring his Grand Daughter is so that she wouldn’t hear the way he routinely talks to most anyone who disagrees with him.
I wonder if he shows her his language on not only this blog but the wichita voice blog too?
Ben,
For any economical production of enough electricity from nuclear power you need a heat sink. That makes it difficult for a mobile reactor. It also limits the feasable locations for a permanent installation.
Unlike a diesel engine, a nuclear reactor is just a heat source. It requires a few steps to get it to mechanical generation of electricity. Reactor, steam generator, turbine, generator.
Hank
The other day, national story, NRA supports guns for those on Terror Watch lists.. shows them as completely irresponsible.
Mental defects make terror watch lists.
NRA wants those who believe in overthrowing the America government, counterfeiters and like, to have weapons.
Anyone who promotes values of NRA desires is a nut. Whether they are law abiding carrying a gun legally or not.
Its reasonable to restrict some weapons made. They have no value as hunting animal weapons, only for killing other people.
NRA doesn’t want records of guns sales kept on anybody is highly irresponsible.
Heat sink … I think a mobile could still have a water source.
Doesn’t France have an air-cooled design?
Gotta question. Do the Marines let you conceal carry when you’re not in actual combat?
Didn’t think so.
Heat sink … I think a mobile could still have a water source.
Doesn’t France have an air-cooled design?
“The guy said he notified the Sheriff, threatened to call my work place…”
Typical conservative lie – copy and paste where I said I would call your place of work, Nathan.
It never happened.
And as for being afraid of you or your father, Nathan….. for the last time, I would be bringing my granddaughter. It is her well being that I am concerned with, not mine.
“but because you are the typical anti-gun person who wets their pants at the thought of someone carrying a gun.”
As I have said before, I am a former and future gun owner. I have no fear of guns or gun owners.
My only concern is for my granddaughter.
If you do attend the meet and I do as well, I would expect that you would respect my wishes and keep your distance from her.
Play your “nice young Marine” act for someone else – stay away from my family.
“the wichita voice blog too?”
I hardly ever post on WV Blog anymore, Nathan. We have a new blog to visit – it is by invitation only and you are the primary reason that it was developed. No one wanted to play your silly little games.
I am not the only person that finds you disgusting.
I’m a lifetime member of the NRA.
Amazing, liberals get their panties in a wad if we listen to the terrorists on the phone but are all irrational when it comes to guns.
Want to know what it takes to get on a terror watch list? Not much. Most of the rules in place for purchasing a gun would already eliminate terrorists. Preventing someone on ‘the terror watch list’ from buying a gun would be infringing on the rights of an American citizen without due process.
Now you can spin it to make the NRA look like a bunch of nuts, but if we lose the 2nd amendment, we’ll lose the whole Bill of Rights.
The NRA’s position has been mischaracterized by the Brady bunch and a howt of other anti gun extremists. The NRA doesn’t want terrorists to have the right to buy guns. They want citizens to have the right to buy guns.
Read the NRA position, big difference!
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=2921
Hank
I don’t know. Technology hasn’t improved a lot in the past few years but every thing I know is 25 years out of date.
You need a lot of water for the steam cycle heat sync.
Hank
“In the morning, I will be contacting the Marine Corp about you. You are a sick son of a bitch and this has to stop. Your barely concealed threats do a great disservice to our men and women in the Armed Services. You are a sick young man. Normal people do not make the threats that you have.”
Posted By WSClark | 4/24/07 11:15 PM
WS Clark,
It was no lie. You threatened to contact the Marine Corps, which is where I work.
I would love to meet you and your Granddaughter.
If you come to a public meetup, I am not going to hide in the corner and not say hi.
If you are that deathly afraid of my saying hello and shaking hands with a member of your family then perhaps you shouldn’t bring her.
I am not wasting my time worryiny about staying away from your Grand Daughter.
You need help.
I’m quiet about it Capn because it doesn’t do any good to exercise the length of one’s genitalia or their substitutes over the Internet.
I’m here to discuss the issues unlike you and some others Capn who find a blog more like a chat room where you can act the fool.
While I have no idea why behind all the animosity here, WSClark is within his rights to ask you to stay away from his granddaughter.Nathan, you should respect that. At the same time, WSClarks tone seemed to be a bit threatenng, so you might take that into consideration also. ANyway, he has the right, as does every parent for WHATEVER reason, to define who or who does not come into contact with his granddaughter
WS,I don’t know problem is, but I know Hank and Nathan, and I would stand beside them anytime anyplace. They are both some of the finest people I know. If you don’t want your granddaughter near them, you would have a hard time finding better people for your granddaughter to meet.
Nathan – you may recall the nuke discussion we had at that first meetup. That is what is behind my questions with hank. Trying to develop some ideas for nuke applications.
By the way, if you get out of line I’ll just have to slap you upside the head!
;^) (Hi Hank!)
Typical Republican:
Excoriate me for the speck and say nothing about the log.
Real nice.
And perhaps you could explain how attacking me over a joke is “arguing the issues,” Republican.
This should be good . . .
Hank,
I’m not a lifetime member of the NRA for 41 years now.
I’ve had access to arsenals, hunting and assault rifles in my lifetime, through friends liking the gun lifestyle. I got my hunting license at 14, rarely used it.
You mentioned carrying a gun illegally like that’s your Constitutional right. It wasn’t legal until the state created the CC law. Transporting guns legally, okay. Carrying one concealed is the crime you have been committing.
Break the laws, so what. Lucky you weren’t caught. Love the NRA but know your advocating for a nutty and irresponsible company.
It’s okay to like guns and advocate gun restrictions. Agree to some assault weapons banned.
Lists of guns purchased, database created by states, so one nut isn’t over “collecting” hundreds of assault weapons. Then he/she has no record of selling those weapons.
When the NRA advocates irresponsible gun ownership, its nuts to be aligned with them.
Remember at gun stores, no eye test is given. Who says the buyer can see well enough to shoot anything. Irresponsible!
Remember who your friends are, the NRA are nuts.
Thanks so much JM.
Believe me I know that when you are sitting on an internet blog arguing about politics, people are not going to get the true impression of someone.
I like to argue and debate things very passionatley.
Just because you don’t like what someone types here, doesn’t make them some awful person.
I have met many people like KFG, JR, Ben, DD, XXX, Writerdog, JM Walker, RD and many others.
We may not always get along with politics here, but when you are just sitting around eating a cheeseburger and making small chat things are much different.
One of my good friends is the most flaming left wing liberal you could imagine and he and I will be yelling at each other in Old Chicago about politics and religion yet he and I get together to watch the UFC fights and have many other things in common too.
Oh Well.
“I hardly ever post on WV Blog anymore, Nathan. We have a new blog to visit – it is by invitation only and you are the primary reason that it was developed. No one wanted to play your silly little games.”—————
Oh Jeezus – the crybaby crew ran away – AGAIN!!! Why am I not surprised? They can’t communicate with anyone without throwing hissy fits. Sheesh.
Nathan – don’t pay WS any heed. He threatened me physically before and then tried to make excuses for his behavior.
We like you here – an American hero is always welcome and I find your posts twice as interesting as anything grouchy old WS ever says.
For the record, I don’t see Nathan or Hank as any kind of threat.
They seem like hard-working, family-oriented, community-building Americans that this country was built on. And they’re vets.
No man who likes dogs as much as Hank does can be a bad guy . . .
I’ll disagree with them, I’ll yell at them (on-line), but I won’t disrespect them.
Ben,
An interesting “oops” re cooling of nuclear power plants.
During heat waves, some plants were forced to run at reduced capacity to avoid exceeding thermal discharge standards — or were given permission to exceed standards.
One reactor in Spain was shutdown during the heat.
Droughts (if river or lake cooled) are also a factor. Retrofits seem likely, plus more capacity (and/or air-cooling?) on new designs?
http://www.neis.org/press/Overheating%20Reactors%208%207%2006.shtml
cosmos – I rememeber that. That is why we need to develop better cooling mechanisms. There is a LOT of engineering still to be done in nuclear IMO.
It is my understanding the newer forth generation nuclear plants can be sized to fit, are gas cooled, so they can be located in areas low on water, and are about ten times as safe as the older generation plants.
With the necessity of rebuilding the nations power grid at hand, it seems to me nuclear is the main way to go. The only problem I see is public misinformation, and waste disposal.
Nuclear time has come again.
Well Capt,
I take back all the bad things I’ve ever said about you! Thanks for your kind words!
I’m very proud of my son. I’m an old retired Navy chief and the proudest moment in my life was when We went to San Diego and watched him graduate boot camp.
When he got out six years ago his nick name was “Number one”. He graduated from every school he went to, number one in his class!
Dogs are my greatest weakness! I get a little silly about them on occasion.
I actually have very little animosity toward anyone. Especially, people I don’t know on a BLOG!
Hank
JM – agreed – but along with wind, efficiencies, etc.
Yup, Hank.
We’re all in this life together and no man gets out alive, hehe.
We have a dog too. One of the amazing Weimeraner breed. It’s like having a child. She’s only happy when she’s with us 24 hours a day . . .
Have a good day. It’s quitting time for me.
Opps, the fourth generation plants are still in the design stage, and won’t be ready for another 20~25 years. My bad. Misinterpreted the article I read awhile back in Scientific American.
A look at the future:http://www.aip.org/isns/reports/2002/041.html
Ben: Your comment above about flood waters in the Arkansas River flowing unimpeded through Wichita, on to Oklahoma and Arkansas, and finally to the Mississippi River gave me an idea.
My idea relates to the new proposed electrical power plants near Holcomb and the many ethanol manufacturing plants planned for throughout Kansas.
Instead of allowing new power plants and ethanol plants to pump water from the underground Kansas aquifers … require them to construct reservoirs near their plants and get the water from flood waters as now and from sewage treatment plant effluent. Their production would be limited by availability of water from these sources.
POWER PLANTS AND ETHANOL MANUFACTURING PLANTS SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO TAKE RELATIVELY PURE WATER OUT OF OUR LIMITED KANSAS UNDERGROUND AQUIFERS. THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THAT WATER IS FOR … DRINKING WATER!
Ben before BF Goodrich closed their tire plant in Oklahoma they built a waste disposal plant that burned all of the city refuse and then converted it to steam which was then used to power the factory. This served two purposes, we no longer were feeding the landfills and were cutting down on the electric demand to run the factory. I always wondered why Wichita couldn’t have implemented something like this.
Also coming from Oklahoma and getting power for years from the Grand River Dam Association I see the wisdom in using existing lakes to generate hydro power. Of course GRDA has one of the biggest man made lake in the US to draw their water from.
Just some ideas and not having a scientific mind I’m not sure what would be feasible for our area.
ksgrm – Waste-to-Energy (WTE) should also be a part of the picture. Nice thing is that the most difficult stuff to recycle tends to be the combustable or fermentable parts and vice versa.
Not sure JWink’s large reservoir approach would work; however ‘polished’ sewer effluent might be an interesting idea. My new City councilman is interested in that.