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Why is only the Lawrence Journal-World investigating Sebelius et al giving KU Med away to Missouri interests?
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/may/05/simons_phony_arguments_continue_cloud_kumc_negotia/?opinion
Simons: Phony arguments continue to cloud KUMC negotiationsBy Dolph C. Simons, Jr. May 5, 2007
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/may/04/legal_questions_surround_ku_hospital_board/May 4, 2007 Legal questions surround KU Hospital board
I knew Bush couldn’t stay in the 30 % range forever!WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President George W. Bush’s approval rating has fallen to 28 percent in a Newsweek Poll released on Saturday, an all-time low for Bush in that survey.
ADVERTISEMENTNearly two out of three Americans — 62 percent — believe Bush’s recent actions in Iraq show he is “stubborn and unwilling to admit his mistakes,” Newsweek reported. Just 30 percent think Bush’s execution of the Iraq war demonstrates he is “willing to take political risks” to do what’s right.
Bush’s unpopularity may also be casting a dark shadow over Republican chances for keeping the White House in 2008. Democratic front-runners lead potential Republican contenders in head-to-head match-ups across the board, the poll suggests.
Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) fares best against the lead Republicans so far in the race. Obama bested Republican front-runner and former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani by 50 percent to 43 percent among registered voters who responded to the poll.
Obama topped Arizona Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) by 52 percent to 39 percent and defeated former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by 58 percent to 29 percent, Newsweek reported.
New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the front-runner among Democratic voters, topped Giuliani by 49 percent to 46 percent, beat out McCain 50 percent to 44 percent and outdistanced Romney 57 percent to 35 percent, the poll found.
Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards topped Giuliani by 6 points, McCain by 10 and Romney by 37 points in the poll.
The poll, conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International on Wednesday and Thursday, interviewed 1,001 adults 18 and older. It had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
Bush is killing the Republican party. The best we can muster for a presidential canidates are Romney, a mormon, Giuliani, who has more wives than a mormon, McClain, who loves war more than Gen. Patton, and Sam, who does not believe in evolution, but he does believe that the earth is flat. (well, he is from Kansas).
“There used to be an almost complete scholarly and judicial consensus that the Second Amendment protects only a collective right of the states to maintain militias. That consensus no longer exists — thanks largely to the work over the last 20 years of several leading liberal law professors, who have come to embrace the view that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to own guns.”http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html?hp
Hey Thinkfirst: I was raised in south central Kansas. I thought the world was flat until I left for college.
The rotting, stinking, chicken carcus of George W. Bush needs to be wired around the neck of every Republican 2008 presidential contender. And if those guys become afraid of that happening, any bets that they will figure out what to do about the rest of W’s term?
No DD, tell us what you really think.
disciple you are certainly a bright ray of sunshine on this rather dreary Sunday morning. You are the best argument I have ever seen for evolution. It appears you haven’t moved far from the lower life form you must have come from.
About the KU Medical Center and St Lukes- the fact is that Kansas City pretty much operates as one city although it is in 2 different states. It only makes sense that KU Medical Center, being located there, would have affiliations with hospitals on both sides of the state line. I don’t know what the problem is for them to partner with St Lukes or Truman Hospital on the Missouri side.
Why is the Eagle ignoring what is happening with the KU Hospital and medical center?
Don’t they understand the destruction it will cause for the teaching hospitals in Wichita?
Kev – The KU med center already has some affiliations with St. Lukes. What they are trying to do now is send Kansas tax dollars to Missouri. This makes no sense when they already have teaching hospital affiliations with hospitals here in Kansas. There is also a large group that is dealing with cancer here in Wichita and the med center is ignoring that.
Why would we want to send 100 residents to Missouri when we need to expand the program we already have? If you don’t train them in Kansas they are not going to stay in Kansas. Most of the residents from Wichita serve in our underserved areas of Kansas. What happens to health care in Kansas if we lose them?
Exactly. What happens to health care in Wichita when our own state university sends it residents to other states, instead of here?
Once again the largest city in the state is being shafted by the Topeka Gang.
Looks like the Democrats strategy for defeat is working:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270241,00.html
CAIRO, Egypt — Al Qaeda’s No. 2 mocked both U.S. President George W. Bush and the U.S. Congress bill setting a pullout timetable for U.S. troops from Iraq, in a new insurgent video obtained Saturday by a U.S.-based group.
Hey boy,
Ain’t you s’pose ta be runnin’ or sumtin?
Pa
Which version of Al Qaeda’s #2 is this?
From what I understand! KU Medical Center in Wichita isn’t going anywhere. Even if KU moves or changes affiliation.
LOL
Uh, I think the first 2 words in your link are “Al Qaeda.”
FYI: AQ would mock us if we cured all gene-related disease, defied gravity, renewed our commitment to (ie, funded) intense science education, or published an algorithm which perfectly translates all female non-verbal communication centered around a given episode into simple words!
Jesus, aren’t you a Marine? Mocked by AQ – that’s a good thing, right? Hilarious.
LOL
These Bush guys kill me. Only Augustus Stupidus and his followers could turn a once-lucky old Arab with bad kidneys and living in a cave in Pakistan into somebody who’s opinion amounts to a hill of beans.
Dad,
This it the new Marine Corps. We don’t run an official Physical Fitness Test in thunderstorms.
At least I have another month to get into better shape from being a lazy bum on leave for a month.
It’s as if Augustus Stupidus thinks we’re having a dialogue with AQ.
You know. We talk, they listen. They talk, we listen. We should care, deeply, about what AQ thinks because to do otherwise is ….to…to…lose?!?
Or make them angry?
AQ mocks us. WE SHOULD DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE THE MOCKING STOP!!!
STOP THAT MOCKING!!!
LOL
Well damn, I guess the early bird does get the worm :) Steve, ya beat me to it. But there are other points from the Newsweek article that are worth posting.
Spin away conservatives. As Mary Chapin Carpenter says “The stars might lie but the numbers never do”.
“According to the new NEWSWEEK Poll, the public’s approval of Bush has sunk to 28 percent, an all-time low for this president in our poll, and a point lower than Gallup recorded for his father at Bush Sr.’s nadir.
The last president to be this unpopular was Jimmy Carter who also scored a 28 percent approval in 1979.
This remarkably low rating seems to be casting a dark shadow over the GOP’s chances for victory in ‘08. The NEWSWEEK Poll finds each of the leading Democratic contenders beating the Republican frontrunners in head-to-head matchups.
Snip
Obama beats the leading Republicans by larger margins than any other Democrat: besting Giuliani 50 to 43 percent, among registered voters; beating McCain 52 to 39 percent, and defeating Romney 58 percent to 29 percent.
Like Obama, Edwards defeats the Republicans by larger margins than Clinton does: the former Democratic vice-presidential nominee outdistances Giuliani by six points, McCain by 10 and Romney by 37, the largest lead in any of the head-to-head matchups.
Meanwhile, Sen. Clinton wins 49 percent to 46 percent against Giuliani, well within the poll’s margin of error; 50 to 44 against McCain; and 57 to 35 against Romney.
Snip
American dissatisfaction ratings last hit 71 in the NEWSWEEK poll in May 2006, at the height of the scandal over secret government wiretapping inside the United States.
The last time that even half of our survey respondents were happy with the direction of the country was in April 2003, shortly after the start of the Iraq war.”
No wonder some republicans here cant wait to bash Obama, Edwards and Clinton. (Sniff sniff) I smell elephant fear…
I do have to say y’all have some mighty fine medical professionals and facilities in Wichita. World Class.
My knee surgery doc wasnt afraid of the devil himself and did very successful replacement surgery on both my knees at the same time, despite my other health conditions.
The only complaint I have following two surgeries and rehab in Wichita is that the food SUCKS at St. Francis and Our Lady Of Lourdes. :)
Well, that and the fact that ALL the nurses everywhere were overworked and understaffed. Many working 12 hour shifts and one stayed all night to do paperwork and was back on duty the next morning. Amazing.
If we let nurses run the country, things would be in a lot better shape. Oh, and dont forget all the telephone operators who lost their jobs in the eighties and nineties. They are as competent and hard working as the nurses.
Yep. Let the nurses and operators run the country. Things would be in tip top shape very soon!
I wouldn’t mind Obama. Wouldn’t like Clinton, because she’s not true to herself, and really would think that Edwards would be a complete disaster. If you think Bush is bad, Edwards would be worse.
The second tiers like Richardson is a good bet too.
But I believe that Albert Gore will probably join the race soon. He has a huge religious following he can tap into.
Sorry, got off topic there. I wanted to add on the Med School front that most of the docs who come out here got their training in Wichita, and they seem like a mighty fine bunch too.
I got hooked up with the Wichita bone doc because my local doc got his training in Wichita and knew the right people to call. The Wichita med school serves all of Kansas and is a boon to us in the west.
You send us your docs and we suck up all your water before it gets there. Seems to me like an unfair trade!
“He has a huge religious following he can tap into.”
Omg, that is TOO funny considering the republicans think they are god’s own party and they have prostituted themselves pandering for the evangelical vote.
Joe, you need more coffee dude!
My my my, this from GERMIE, the uber civil poster?
“You are the best argument I have ever seen for evolution. It appears you haven’t moved far from the lower life form you must have come from.”
Hypocrisy, thy name is germie.
And republican wanted to rise up in righteous indignation at the “treatement” of germie at the hands of sane people?
Uh, republican, I think she has proven she can dish it out. I’d suggest you all learn to take it as well as you dish it out.
Whiners.
“Uh, republican, I think she has proven she can dish it out. I’d suggest you all learn to take it as well as you dish it out.
Whiners.”—————-
From the mouth of the Queen of all whiners….
lol
Actually Farmgrrl, the Democrats are now the Party of God.
Joe, you are the ONLY person I know who says that. And, btw, WHICH god? heheheheheh
This is pretty funny, and the comments are even funnier. But if you are a wingnut, I suggest you dont click.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=108×124495
>>From what I understand! KU Medical Center in Wichita isn’t going anywhere. Even if KU moves or changes affiliation.<<
But if the residents that come to Wichita from KU Med are pressured into going elsewhere–and they WILL be if St Lukes demands the people–we’ll have fewer of them. And fewer still who stay after they finish their training.
The Wichita branch may not be going anywhere, but that doesn’t mean they’ll get the resources they need. KU has always treated Wichita like a red-headed stepchild. As has Topeka.
I don’t think Gore will enter the presidential race. His mission is to change our culture so that we don’t destroy ourselves, and his best bet to do that is not to take up a party banner in another political race. He has finally succeeded in being introduced without the appendage “2000 presidential candidate” and I can’t imagine why he would think that it would advance his cause to reenter presidential politics.
Kelly,
His mission may be to change our culture, but not so we don’t kill ourselves.
You know how the Constitution says you have the right to peaceably assemble?
Heh, check out the LAPD welcoming our recent Mexican immigrants for their peaceful demonstration in the park.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeus9IO1C-w
If you read the Newsweek poll, it doesn’t make much sense. At least, until you read the demographics. From Captainsd Quarter’s Blog:
Well, for one thing, it helps when you poll 50% more Democrats than Republicans. If one reads the actual poll results all the way to the end, the penultimate question shows that the sample has 24% Republicans to 36% Democrats. Compare that to the information given by Newsweek’s NBC partners in February, which showed that party affiliation had shifted from a difference of less than a percentage point to a gap of 3.9 points — 34.3% to 30.4%, with 33.9% independents.
Does it really surprise Newsweek that a sample where half again as many Democrats as Republicans were polled tend to prefer Democrats for President? Do they find it all that surprising that George Bush isn’t terribly popular when surveys oversample Democrats? They knew that the poll had to have some problems; the margins of error for the poll were 7% for the Democrats and 8% for the Republicans, quite high for these kinds of polls.
Newsweek apparently doesn’t employ people like editors and fact checkers before rushing their analyses to print. Thankfully, the blogosphere can take the time and effort to have these layers of correction so that we can provide the best possible information to our readership.
White House searches for war czar
By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press WriterSun May 6, 12:21 PM ET
[...]
“”It’s the nuttiest idea ever,” said James Carafano, a defense expert at Heritage Foundation.
He said a war coordinator at the White House would be outside the regular chain of command. “It confuses lines of authority. It’s like adding a fifth wheel on a car.”
Trying to integrate government operations inside the White House is a prescription for disaster, he added.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070506/ap_on_go_pr_wh/war_czar;_ylt=AjrGuyy1rSBaMGs5zniH.srMWM0F*************************************************
Augustus Stupidus, the MBA president and reputed Republic, has an idea for Iraq:
Add another layer of management. One with no power, removed from ops on the ground by several thousand miles, and holding total accountability.
LOL
Could we possibly find a *stupider* president?
Because I don’t think so.
Qualifications: “Must be able to put lipstick on a pig and pass it off as Miss America. Must be willing to fall on your sword to protect Beloved Leader.”
I hear that Baghdad Bob has the inside track for the job.
“You are the best argument I have ever seen for evolution. It appears you haven’t moved far from the lower life form you must have come from.”
From germie.
Actually, germie’s post further extends the argument against intelligent design.
I must disagree about the medical residents in wichita. I got a hold of one and she dang near killed me. She discharged home too early, refused to give me a second CT scan (even though my health insurance would have given more hospital days and unlimited CT scans). I went home, tried to call this resident back due to having complications and the dang resident doctor never did call me back. I changed doctors, went to a real doctor and the problem is fixed.
So, don’t tell me how great these residents are in Wichita. I’ll take a real doctor any day.
Just wanted to say that leftist socialism suffered a much needed huge lost in France.
The world is starting to turn their back to the old slave days of leftist socialism. I’m happy to hear that the majority of France in a stunning huge turnout voted for a centrist, free market capitalism and a vowed friend of the USA.
:) A great day today!
Well, we’ll see. The frogs have this funny idea that they can run their country their own way.
There is now a new player on the scene. Tulsa will have an 18,000 seat arena very soon. They are going to bid on the Big XII basketball tournament……
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/article.aspx?articleID=070506_2_B2_hConf10071&breadcrumb=Basketball
Is the University a participane in that Arena? I know they are not Big 12 but just wondering if they are an anchor tenant.
“Dad,
This it the new Marine Corps. We don’t run an official Physical Fitness Test in thunderstorms.”
The military does not do outdoor non essential work in lightning because it is dangerous to personnel. Rain however is another matter.
“You know how the Constitution says you have the right to peaceably assemble?
Heh, check out the LAPD welcoming our recent Mexican immigrants for their peaceful demonstration in the park.”
Peaceful hell! They threw rocks, bottles and other debris at the police for well over a half hour and were told to stop several times. Only when they continued were they ordered to disperse. Those who followed the order and left the park were allowed to do so. Those who decided that they did not have to obey the cops got the crap wacked out of them which was well deserved in my view. 12 cops had to be treated in the hospital. I am for the cops on this one!
“But if the residents that come to Wichita from KU Med are pressured into going elsewhere–and they WILL be if St Lukes demands the people–we’ll have fewer of them. And fewer still who stay after they finish their training.
The Wichita branch may not be going anywhere, but that doesn’t mean they’ll get the resources they need. KU has always treated Wichita like a red-headed stepchild. As has Topeka. ”
The problem is that the KU Medical Center and school are 200 miles from Wichita. They do the best they can but you have to recognize that they- and the people that work there- are part of the Kansas City area. If the state REALLY wants to do something, I would look into adding a College of Medicine to Wichita State University which would serve Wichita and the western half of the state better than KU can.
“The world is starting to turn their back to the old slave days of leftist socialism. I’m happy to hear that the majority of France in a stunning huge turnout voted for a centrist, free market capitalism and a vowed friend of the USA.”
If anything the world has turned its back on the “free market” as expoused by John Keynes because the world- and even this country reluctantly- has seen that such economies fail most of the people they are designed to serve. The USA has, sine the Great Depression moved further away from the free market economy every decade (despite what Reagan told you) and into regulated capitalism which works much better for more people. We still have some moving to do to catch up to Europe- especially with healthcare and education- but I think we will get there soon.
Kev, you do know that UKSM-W residents are often KU med school grads who come here from KU med on graduation to do their residencies? If KU/KC gets under heavy pressure to feed the Missouri hospitals, we get fewer residents–and in the long run, fewer doctors. Period.
Not to mention that the regents board also treats Wichita as an afterthought, being mostly KU grads themselves, and are just as likely to approve a WSU med school as they are to approve a Wichita law school. In other words, not at all likely.
They screw us continually now. Letting them screw us longer and harder won’t improve our city.
If you believe what you wrote, kev, I am truly saddened to learn that some people are so misinformed.
If the best med education to be had requires going to KC what is wrong with that? IF Wichita is a good place to live then the DR will return here.
Or are you afraid that once he sees the outside world he won’t return?
Actually most people who go to KU leave the state and even KC. While some people do stay, it isn’t the percentage like WSU graduates, which many stay in the area.
The Medical School is already establish and it will continue to do so. They already are going to start a dental school here. Plus Wichita is getting the benefits of cancer research, which is the reason why they want KU Hospital to be associated with St. Lukes.
In that case Joe; we should be addressing the question of why they choose not to return to Wichita. That is why I capitalized IF.
Apparently, even the WSJ doesn’t buy the “Fair and Balanced” tag of Fox News:Major Dow Jones shareholder opposes News Corp. bid By Robert MacMillanSun May 6, 5:25 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Former Dow Jones & Co. Inc. executive Jim Ottaway Jr., whose family is one of the publisher’s largest shareholders, said he opposes News Corp.’s $5 billion buyout bid, in part because it would cost The Wall Street Journal its editorial integrity.
ADVERTISEMENTOttaway’s statement, published on The Wall Street Journal’s Web site on Sunday, said the sale to News Corp. and its chief executive, Rupert Murdoch, would damage Dow Jones’ reputation for accurate, fair, objective and reliable business news reporting.
“Murdoch promises editorial independence and no interference in news judgments if he were owner of Dow Jones,” Ottaway wrote. “He has made these easy promises of an eager buyer in the past, but not always kept them.”
Ottaway’s is the latest in a series of statements to come from Wall Street Journal reporters and the union that represents Dow Jones employees that opposes Murdoch’s $60 per share offer for the company, which also publishes Barron’s and the Marketwatch.com financial news Web site.
Dow Jones also runs Dow Jones Newswires, which competes with Reuters Group Plc in publishing financial news.
The Ottaway family owns 6.2 percent of Dow Jones’ Class B stock, which gives them more voting rights than most shareholders.
The Ottaway unit of Dow Jones runs several daily newspapers, including The Standard-Times in New Bedford, Massachusetts, and the Ashland Daily Tidings in Oregon.
The majority of the Bancroft family which controls Dow Jones through its own Class B shares, also opposes the bid, which came at a 65-percent premium to the stock’s closing price on Monday. Dow Jones disclosed the offer on Tuesday.
Ottaway criticized Murdoch’s editorial principles, saying “he has for a long time expressed his personal, political and business biases through his newspapers and television channels.”
“We see this every day here in America in his New York Post which regularly runs biased news stories and headlines supporting his friends, political candidates and public policies, and attacks people he personally opposes,” Ottaway wrote.
“His Fox TV News Channel, run by Roger Ailes, a former Republican party strategist, is a unique example in American broadcasting in which one man’s political opinions have become the editorial and news policy of a major national news channel.”
Ottaway also said that when Murdoch’s business and news interests conflict, “his business interests usually prevail.”
Another fear Ottaway expressed is what happens once Murdoch no longer runs News Corp. Murdoch has promised in published reports to honor Dow Jones’s editorial integrity, but Ottaway said that may not hold true in the future.
“And since he is 76 years old, his promises, no matter how sincere, will not last very long. Who will keep his promises in the future? Rupert Murdoch is a remarkably vigorous man, but he is not immortal,” Ottaway wrote.
“There is no clear News Corp. management succession, a history of disagreements with his sons, and inevitable future arguments over ownership control and management influence among his children.” said Ottaway.
Spokesmen for Dow Jones and News Corp. were not immediately available for comment.
Ben. Who are you talking about? The people from Wichita that go to KU?
Yeah, I’m afraid that if Murdoch takes the WSJ, that’ll be the end of my subscription.
It would be pretty damn sad, too. The WSJ is a great, great newspaper.
Batshit nutty editorial page, but everything else is first class. I will definitely miss the WSJ.
Yes. You stated that “most people who go to KU leave the state and even KC”; my point is that we should be creating a City to which they will want to return.
For years I have been reading about the “brain drain” and the approach to stop it seems to be exclusively to try to keep them from ever seeing the outside world (KU, MIT, etc). My approach would be to in fact encourage students to go elsewhere so that they can bring skills back home with them.
Problem is, of course, we have to have a city to which they will choose to return.
Well! Many students that go to KU aren’t from the Wichita area. I was saying in general.
But you’re right. There has to be something that graduates need to come back to, unfortunately it has a lot to do with company recruiters on campus from all over the USA that attracts the students rather than themselves having a yearning to go back to their home town or to stay in the place where they went to college.
Joe! It’s called COMPETITION! If Wichita is a great place to live with great employers then they will recruit the best and the brightest regardless of where they were born. Why aren’t we talking about getting that kid from Atlanta who went to MIT to come here to pursue his career?
It seems to me that it is very defeatist to take the approach that we only try to keep native-born Wichitans here and do that by trying to prevent them from seeing what his alternatives might be.
Consider this contrast that effects lifestyle. My commute is considered long by Wichita standards – under a half-hour even including stopping at Spangles to pick up breakfast. Tell that to the guy stuck in the Golf-Algonquin traffic jam in the Northwest suburbs of Chicago.
I believe that Wichita CAN be sold to that MIT grad; the key, however, is the EMPLOYER doing the recruiting. Maybe, just maybe, those of us who were not born here can be important to Wichita’s future development as well as the natives.
I’m with you Ben. I would love to see that. I would love for the area employers to go out to recruit at other universities all over the USA.
I heard Koch does it, but we need more than just Koch and the Aircraft Companies. We also need to portray Wichita as a hot spot for entrepreneurship. WSU focuses on that really well. But we need to be known as a place to set up shop, so that young and ambitious minds can find this a haven to come to as a place to set roots for a new idea and company.
That is the reason why I’m working on the Peerless Tower Project. It’s a memorial and a reminder to all those who want to make Wichita a great place to live, work and play.
By the way! I want to get your take on a potential site. I skipped it before as a potential site, because the city had plans for it. This is the West Bank Stage site. Since the City decided to move the plan public amphitheater to the WaterWalk, I was over at the West Bank site on Saturday and thought it might be a great place for the Peerless Tower. Thoughts?
Ben,No, the university of Tulsa is not behind the arena in downtown. TU has an on campus facility. The Bank of Oklahoma arena was/is financed through a sales tax deal. I kind of doubt they’ll get a Big XII tournament at least until the surrounding area has had a chance to develop. It’s going to be nice, though……
Joe – did you notive that the City is considfering installing Wi-Fi? And they are contracting with an OUT-OF-STATE company? We have at least one company here that could do that but the City tends to ignore local start-ups.
Maybe we should move our companies out of state. Then we might stand a better chance bidding on Wichita work.
I think the best location for your tower would be the one you had near the Hyatt. I tend to see the East Bank as modernistic and the West Bank as more traditional.
It’s kind of like why I don’t like the “UFO landing site” at Central/McLean. It doesn’t fit there; a more subdues water feature would be better. Put the lights down by Kallogg; maybe Dugan Center.
A comment on attracting good people. The largest single part of my time is spent working. THAT must be good for the rest to fall in place. So, for Wichita to attract good workers we must be perceived as having the best employers.
I see the attractions as a sort of ground-up sort of thing. People are not going to move their families to Wichita because we have the best bars, theater, sports or whatever and then look for a job. The people I am talking about will move here for the career. the amenities are tie-breakers perhaps but not deal-drivers.
The idea of KU “crossing over” to affiliate with UMKC is a SMART idea. KUMC is really struggling. It can’t keep top-flight researchers, and patients living on the Kansas side of the border flock to Missouri.
Kansas City is a major city. Actually, if Kansas and Missouri combined their resources, it would benefit both states. My proposal would be to consolidate KU and UKMC entirely to create a thriving urban-based university. Long ago, there was a notion that colleges and universities should be founded at a distance from the “corrupting influences” of cities. Examples (among many); KU Lawrence Kansas, CU Boulder Colorado, MU Columbia, OU Norman, U Arkansas Fayetteville, U Nebraska Lincoln, U Michigan Ann Arbor, U Ilinois Urbana-Champaign, and others.
Today it makes sense to connect universities to cities, i.e. centers of economic growth.
I said
My proposal would be to consolidate KU and UKMC entirely to create a thriving urban-based university.
I meant to say UMKC.
Wichita has many fine Medical Centers and there are hospitals of size to practice Internships throughout Kansas.
Lot of people look at cities like Kansas City MO because it has more notoriety in the press.
St. Louis MO does as well.
Guess which is larger in population size, St. Lois MO or Wichita KS?
If you guessed Wichita, you are correct. Only by about 10,000 in population size, but enough to show that Wichita is not just another drink water town.
Farmgrrl, glad surgery went well. Nurses are a dedicated profession and one that traditionally earns the public’s confidence year after year. I do worry, too, that many work such long hours.
Actually, there is talk about advertising Wichita as being a good place to get medical care. This combined with our “reasonably priced” real estate market (I know that is a relative term) has been considered a draw for retiring people.
Don’t you just love it when those “civil” conservative posters show their real colors like germ did today. Republican has done it many times, too. GS knows how to do nothing much else. Makes this a place worth coming back to.
Joe, the Dems are not God’s party. Your idiopathic definitions of terms make you real hard to follow “some”times.
Well DD, I’ve had back surgery, knee surgery and my gall bladder removed, all in Wichita. I think I am qualified to speak on the “western Kansas” pov, whatever that is!
The distance is a problem though. When I had my gall bladder out, it was supposed to be “day” surgery, but I couldnt go home, I had to spend the night in a hotel just in case I developed problems overnight.
I have a dear friend whose son had a very severe stroke. She spent months living in Wichita to help in his recovery. And given how thin the hospital staffs are stretched, every patient NEEDS an advocate by their side.
The need for personal advocates to fill in the gaps in care, coupled with the expense of lodging, time off work, etc. for the family and/or advocate are all drawbacks.
But for me, the superior medical care in Wichita was worth it. I could have had the gall bladder thing done out here, but I have much more faith in the Wichita hospitals than the underfunded, understaffed hospitals out here.
However, folks with limited transportation and funds may not have the same choice. When people get airlifted out of here, they usually send them to Wichita. I know folks who watched the takeoff and then wondered if their loved one would be alive 4 hours later when they arrived in Wichita.
It’s just one of the prices we pay to live out here.
KSFRMGRRL–
Here’s something that will brighten you day.
See how Steven D. nailed Republican–
Republican:”Pretty sad Capn, only 1 person says MILFY on this blog and you categorize everyone that doesn’t have the same opinion as you.”
As I am recalling Republican you weren’t even around when that comment occurred. Is this an example of your famous “research”, or something else? Hmm…
Posted by: Steven Davis | May 07, 2007 at 08:56 AM
He’s exactly right:
“Brewer’s wife is white? Is she MILFY?
Posted by: KSGolfnut | February 28, 2007 at 07:23 PM”
Republican was still JM in February.
“Lord, what fools these mortals be.” Puck in Midsummer Night’s Dream . . .
heheheheheh. I recall golfnutz, fleetie, SOB, and republican all making MILFY comments. Not only about Patrice, but about my picture as well. The ultimate put down for women. Dismiss their minds and abilities with a comment on their looks.
It’s even sadder when women do it to themselves or each other.
I guess somehow GS commenting on me being “chinless” heheheheh, somehow puts me in my place and negates my comments?
heheheheheheheheheeheheheheheheheh!
Whatever…
“If the best med education to be had requires going to KC what is wrong with that? IF Wichita is a good place to live then the DR will return here.
Or are you afraid that once he sees the outside world he won’t return?”
People tend to get comfortable in familiar settings. If you spend your childhood and graduate high school in Wichita (I did) and then go off to 4 years of college and 4 years of medical school in another city, chances are you get comfortable there. At that age, you meet professionals in your area, build networks and perhaps even date and marry a spouse from that area. Chances are, the longer you stay there- whether in KC or elsewhere- the less the chances are that you will return to where you come from. When I joined the USAF and left Wichita, I honestly thought I would do my time and return but then I got comfortable and married here in Georgia. And then I was offered a good position in the communications field that I could have never possibly had in Wichita so I stayed here. It is my belief that Wichita would benefit by adding a school of medicine to WSU and perhaps a law school as well. The people that train there would be far more likely to remain and serve Wichita and the surrounding communities.
“Long ago, there was a notion that colleges and universities should be founded at a distance from the “corrupting influences” of cities. Examples (among many); KU Lawrence Kansas, CU Boulder Colorado, MU Columbia, OU Norman, U Arkansas Fayetteville, U Nebraska Lincoln, U Michigan Ann Arbor, U Ilinois Urbana-Champaign, and others.”
It was generally thought back then that big cities would currupt the youth and detract from the studies. That really worked well didn’t it? Lawrence is probably the biggest party town in the state!
Medical care in Wichita is pretty good but for really specialized things- like a heart transplant- I would not recommend it. Via Christ St Joesph is the only place that does them and they do fewer than 12 a year. I would want somebody with more experience than that.
Wrong ksfrmgrrl, I have never made a comment about Patrice Hein that was of the nature you specified.
Why don’t you grow up and try to stick the blog discussion instead of acting a fool.
Or you can continue on and prove that your a fool.