Just as arguing with Nathan is God’s message to you that you have too much time on your hands, arguing with Joe is a similar tilting at windmills. IOW, a complete waste of time. I have met Joe and he is a nice guy. I liked him. But that does not change my analysis above.

Please read ALL of the reports at, http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html

And then tell us what is not “legitimate” there.

And please tell us who is more “legitimate”?

Milloy, who publishes(sic), outside his field of expertise, at his own website, and Faux, Moony Times, etc?

Or the 100’s of the world’s top climate scientists listed in the annex, who compiled those reports from published, peer-reviewed science journals?

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

for one, libertarianism believes in NO social programs at all, they want 3rd world country type models of the economy.

They’re all just apologists for the Bush administration…defend, deflect, deny.

I think you’re conservative because you very rarely agree with what I agree with. Leftist is your own little thing you say. Left is anyone to the left of the person’s own opinion.Since you’re always on the side of the neocons it seems, I can’t believe you would say you’re a liberal.

And that’s not just because you’re right of me. Mary is right of me, and I don’t think she’s conservative.

Impressive science journals, heh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Free_Press“Canada Free Press is a Canadian website, which publishes conservative news stories, features, and editorials”

Moony Times and Faux are self explanatory.

Like Democrat is a political party, but Leftism is a doctrine.

Just believe what you want to believe. Hell! Maybe take a visit to the Creation Museum. Other than that, maybe Edwards can sell you a shit brick house on a hot sunny day and you would buy it.

I explained why I’m a liberal. Because I am.

He then used a series of powers of 2 and time compression with relativity. Day 1 (as I recall) was something like 7 billion years; the rest got progressively shorter. He eventually determined the age as 15 billion years.

He then added a fascinating kicker: if you read it all more figuratively than literally it actually parallels our current understanding.

I’ll look for his link tomorrow; I might still have it in the other office.

http://www.csicop.org/si/2007-02/fundamentalists.html

Though he does not spell out his thoughts as completely, I think the maker of the following film also holds similar views to Dr. Ruse [I recognize that is an unfortunate surname, BTW; probably prompted him to seek the truth as ardently as he apparently has]:

http://www.flockofdodos.com/

Randy Olson was a student of Gould, the Harvard paleotologist/biologist who knew a little bit about Darwinian evolution. I heard Dr. Olson at WSU not long ago. His complaint is that scientists are not good communicators and when they go up against the likes of the Discovery Institute (who hired the same people who brought you the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) they don’t fair too well. Dr. Olson complains that too many scientists don’t think that they have to address the masses. He makes the case that scientists who hold this latter belief, do so at their peril. According to Olson this is an important reason why science has had an eroded influence of late.

Disinformation is popular and profitable – see the posts on Steven Milloy, if you don’t believe me. Steven Milloy made a living arguing that second hand tobacco smoke is not harmful to people. Yeah, the kind of guy many cons around here would love to emulate. Milloy: a real contribution to our country [/sarcasm].

“He holds a bachelor’s degree in Natural Sciences, a law degree and a master’s degree in biostatistics”

I don’t have a law degree. However, I DO have bachelor’s degrees in chemistry (MIT) and geology (WSU), a PhD in Chemistry (UCLA), and a masters in Environmental Science (WSU). Also an MBA (Newman).

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=JunkScience.com

Is this some new conservative ploy? To try to take over the word ‘liberal’?

I don’t know how you can complain about Edwards if you value civil rights as you claim, and this man worked for civil rights.