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O’Reilly Criticizes Sebelius on Abortion Bill Veto
May 30, 2007 11:02 PM CDThttp://www.kbsd6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6589906
“Talk-show host Bill O’Reilly says Governor Kathleen Sebelius isn’t fit to serve. O’Reilly made the comment during Wednesday’s “The O’Reilly Factor” on the FOX News Channel.”
http://www.junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20070524.htmlHot Air Study Melts Global Warming Theory
By One of Cosmos’ favorite chew toys.
Thursday, May 24, 2007By Steven Milloy
Global warming alarmists may want to expedite their efforts to hamstring the global economy with greenhouse gas regulation. A new study touted as showing that we’re not sufficiently panicky about manmade carbon dioxide emissions actually supports the exact opposite conclusion.
“Warnings about global warming may not be dire enough, according to a climate study that describes a runaway-train acceleration of industrial carbon dioxide emissions,” USA Today shrieked this week.
The study authors reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that the rate of manmade carbon dioxide emissions was three times greater during 2000 to 2004 than during the 1990s.
Since increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels allegedly are causing global warming, the new study must mean that global temperatures are soaring even faster now than they did during the 1990s, right?
Wrong, according to the most recent data from the U.S. Department of Commerce’s National Climatic Data Center.
By overlaying the atmospheric carbon dioxide trend onto graphs of global near-surface temperatures http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/NCDCabs.html, land surface temperatures http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/NCDCabsLand.html and ocean surface temperatures http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/NCDCabsOcean.html , it is readily apparent that ever-changing global temperatures aren’t keeping pace with ever-increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels.
Republican, if you want credibility then you shouldn’t reference a website that’s a corporate shill. Junkscience.com also denies that pesticides are harmful to people’s health, and cigarette smoke causes cancer. Conservatives don’t have a good track record on scientific credibility.
Bill Orally and Bob Novak have decided to take shots at Kathleen Sebelius this week. WTF?
It’s pretty amazing to single out one politicians who’s been generally mentioned in passing as a possible Vice-Presidential prospect. So many factors enter into a VP selection. But the Right Wingnut attack machine is zeroing in on Kathleen? What must they be assuming?
For one thing, it’s next to impossible to expect Hillary Clinton would choose another woman as a running mate.
Barak Obama, as the first nominee-of-color at the top of the ticket would be unprecidented in itself. Teaming up with a governor (however qualified for the job) from a small state such as Kansas simply doesn’t make electoral sense.
So do the Right Wingnuts really fear John Edwards? He’s from the south, has a specific populist message but is a white male and lacks administrative experience. Who better than a skilled administrator from a red state to balance the ticket?
Do the Right Wingnuts fear Edwards more than anyone else? Kinda looks that way. They’re all over the “Breck Girl” slime against Edwards, a strategy that certainly would lose steam if pretty-boy Romney were to become the GOP standard-bearer.
The Republic faithful (all 28% of America these days) hates Hillary so much they can’t imagine she could be the Democrats’ nominee.
As essentially racist as the Republic Party has become, the prospect of Barak Obama isn’t on their radar.
No, they seem convinced that another white male will end up as the Democrat’s nominee. So they’re targeting potential Vice-Presidential prospects.
The real irony is Sebelius is getting more attention from the Republic Party than Sam Brownback!
meadowbird uses any and all neo-con tactics to further propagate his hatred of the current governor. He’s just like the rest of the bush/neo-con shills posting on this blog. I’m surprised I don’t hear more of the bart simpson school of thought, “They did it, even though nobody saw them do it. But they had to do it because I said so.”
Yep, meadowvulture, your word is accepted by most of us for what it is: Bu** Sh**.
If Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Rush Limbball and Neil Boortz don’t like you that means you are doing something right!
I couldn’t find anything on Junkscience website that stated that cigarette smoke doesn’t cause cancer, nor can I find anywhere that it’s being supported by big corporate donors.
I know that Moveon.org and DailyKos are being funded by billionaire leftist.
I don’t know. Maybe JunkScience.com isn’t a good source.
I’ll be honest. I’m a liberal and I fear John Edwards. Don’t vote for him and no candidate should select him to be a running mate. He’s a complete fraud.
A real funny picture here with Hillary Rodham and Obama.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/Soonerpsycho/drivingmisshillary.jpg
The data in the charts on Junk Science was from NOAA, so it is not a lie.
I wonder if one can get a carbon credit or two if they plant a tree after they utilize a public toilet.
OMG
“I’ll be honest. I’m a liberal and I fear John Edwards.”
Uh Joe, with all due respect, in what alternate universe would you be considered a liberal? :)
I do think the wingnuts fear ALL the democrats. They are just scattergunning in a panic. Shoot at everything that flies and claim everything that falls. They are so afraid of all of them that they fail to focus on any of them.
Reminds me of rattlesnakes in the summer when they shed their skin and are virtually blind for a time. They strike at EVERYTHING they smell, hear or anything that moves.
I think it is THAT kind of blind fear that has the republics just striking out at anything that moves. They know, like the snakes, that they are vulnerable and under potential threat from all sides.
Yep, and they are mean like rattlers too!
If they fear sebelius, it may not be for the presidential race in 08. It might be for a senate race or two.
Ol’ rubber stamp and god’s senator might be hearing footsteps and wondering where that shadow on their spotlight originates.
Strike early and strike often I guess…
Liberalism: liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected. In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.
:is a doctrine stressing the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, constitutional limitations of government, free markets, and individual freedom from restraint as exemplified in the writings of Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Jeremy Bentham, John Stuart Mill, and others. As such, it is seen as the fusion of economic liberalism with political liberalism. The “normative core” of liberalism is the idea that laissez-faire economics will bring about a spontaneous order or invisible hand that benefits the society, though it does not necessarily oppose the state’s provision of a few basic public goods that the market is seen as being incapable of providing.
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People who call themselves Liberals but do not subscribe to the doctrine of Liberalism are actually Leftist.
And Yes! John Edwards is a complete fraud. Just think of him as a Republican in Democrat clothing, chasing an ambulance while being the shaman for the dead while selling snake oil to the needy and acting like he’s the savior for the poor.
He’s worse than Bush. Thinking that John Edwards would make a good President is really an insult to your own intelligence.
People can’t be that stupid.
heheheheheh.
And thinking that bush is a good president?
That’s just nucking futz!
Agreed! Bush sucks, but don’t put a person in there that will be worse.
Such as Edwards or Kucinich.
Obama and if all possible, Richardson would be the best bet for the Dems.
Here’s an interesting article that discusses U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger’s (Minn.) being put on the termination list by White House politicos because he was trying to protect Minnesota Indians’ (overwhelmingly Democrats) right to vote.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-usatty31may31,0,321185.story?coll=la-home-center
The Minnesota Sec’y of State, a Kathleen Harris (remember FL 2000) kind of Bushie gal, issued an administrative ruling prohibiting Indian ID’s from being used at polls, except for reservation inhabitants, although many Indians live off-reservation, with large numbers in the Twin Cities. Many don’t have drivers licenses.
Let’s see, conservatives have campaigned for polls to require ID checks to combat voter fraud. But then, they want to deny ID’s usability. That incongruity tells us that voter fraud isn’t really of concern to the Bushbots, they just don’t want some people, like people of color, to vote. And they’re not shy about illegally stripping these people of their constitutional right to vote. (A federal judge overruled the state secretary and authorized Indian ID use.)
Heffelfinger’s office tried to coordinate with the head of the Justice Department’s head of Civil Rights Division, Voting Section. The head, Joseph Rich started gathering data. But two political appointees blocked Rich’s investigation. One of them told him that he must communicate only with the Minn. state secretary, the very person who was illegally stripping the Indians of their voting rights!
Republican WEBloggers, I invite you to present arguments that can convince fair-minded, true-patriot American readers that this wasn’t despicable, outrageous conduct by this administration and its state-satellite toadies.
The laws regarding Indian ID:”Minnesota law prohibited the use of a valid, federally recognized tribal ID for election-day registration if the voter did not live on a reservation. Additionally, if the voter’s tribal ID did not include an address, Minnesota law prohibited acceptance of the ID together with a current utility bill to show the voter’s current address. The ACLU noted that the state allowed other forms of ID without a current address if provided with a current utility bill.”http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/05/heffelfinger_na.html
It is hard to find information that is not one-side in this case. I’ll research the local Minn. papers later.
Another proof that life sentence is harsher than capital punishment:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6707865.stm
Italy inmates seek death penaltyBy Christian FraserBBC News, Rome
Hundreds of prisoners serving life sentences in Italy have called on President Giorgio Napolitano to bring back the death penalty.
Their request was published as a letter in the daily newspaper La Repubblica.
Italy has almost 1,300 prisoners serving life terms, of whom 200 have served more than 20 years.
Italy has been at the forefront of the fight against capital punishment and recently lobbied the UN Security Council to table a moratorium on it.
But at home some of the country’s longest serving prisoners want the death penalty re-introduced.
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Did ya notice that God’s Senator has an op-ed piece today in the NY Times?
Somebody read it and tell me what it says. I can’t force myself to read anything written by him, Cal Thomas or Values Boy.
Thanks in advance.
Well ya know, if you’ve read one of them, you’ve read all of them.
And values boy just parrots what they say. Kind of like the Utne reader. If you want to know what you missed from the religious reich this week, you can always catch up with the values boy’s re-runs.
If he ever had an original thought, or wrote something besides the usual dobson or falwell spin, it would TRUELY be a miracle…
Thanks Republican
That’s a very interesting blog. I’ve bookmarked it. Apparently the now-voted-out state secretary also tried to block college students from registering as Minn residents by showing their IDs and dorm contracts as proof of in-state residency. Too many Dems in that group as well, the thinking was.
Politics is politics. Gerrymandering, for example, intentionally minimizes the number of swing districts and creates Republican and Democratic stronghold districts. This represents one of the dangerous polarizing influences in our country. In swing districts, candidates tend to have moderated, find-a-common-center characteristics, because people holding extremist views, either right or left, don’t get elected.
Gerrymandering is legal. It cannot entirely eliminate swing districts. This is where voter fraud (the old Chicago Dem machine’s, “Vote early and often,” and “So what if somebody’s dead, they still have a right to vote, by a qualified proxy,” preventing citizens from voting by illegally scrubbing them from the registered-voter rolls, and preventing them from registering, and voting machine fraud come into play. Here, illegal means are used to “tip the balance”. The perps of these “tricks” need to spend time as “guests” of federal detention facilities.
yes, I saw O’Lielly spouting his lies again on tv. Scary he can get away with such utter bs and people believe him.
hey KFG? What’s with your name appearing strange? Did you change it?
Joe, liberal???? Was someone trolling you?
heheheheeh Pmom. Thanks for pointing that out. I’ll correct it. I wonder how long it’s been that way….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1X-I-38lrU
See with your own eyes Condi Rice and the Colin Powell explaining why Iraq poses no threat to the United States . . . Feb. 2001.
Apparently Ledbetter DID file under the Equal Pay statute, but it was thrown out somewhere along the line:
“Ledbetter also filed suit under another federal law, the Equal Pay Act. The judge dismissed that claim and Tuesday’s ruling does not affect pay inequity claims made under that law.”
Gee, where is golfnutz to tell us how GREAT this bush economy is….
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070531/economy.html?.v=11
Junkscience.com is run by Steve Milloy who is a shill who works for the Cato Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute and writes for Fox News. Not exactly establishing a reputation for working for respected institutions. He’s also worked as a lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute, Dow Chemical, the International Food Additives Council, and FMC Corporation. So he has a long history of getting paid by and lying for the industries he claims don’t do any harm to the environment.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=JunkScience.com
That’s why we leave the science to the scientists and leave the lying to the conservatives. A job which they do well.
If Plame wasn’t a spy, why is the CIA trying to keep her from publishing her dates of service, as it might affect undercover operations?Ex-spy Plame and publisher sue CIA over her memoir By Michelle Nichols2 hours, 25 minutes ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) – An ex-spy whose unmasking led to the conviction of Vice President Dick Cheney’s top aide is suing the Central Intelligence Agency, accusing it of unconstitutionally interfering with publication of her memoir.
ADVERTISEMENTValerie Plame Wilson and her publisher, Simon & Schuster, filed a suit in the U.S. District Court in New York on Thursday against J. Michael McConnell, the CIA director of national intelligence, and CIA Director Michael Hayden.
Plame’s cover as a CIA agent was blown when her identity was leaked to reporters and appeared in a newspaper column in July 2003, shortly after her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, emerged as an Iraq war critic.
The suit said although the CIA had released Plame’s dates of service in an unclassified document, “the CIA now purports to classify or reclassify Ms. Wilson’s pre-2002 federal service dates” so it cannot be published in her memoir “Fair Game.”
The CIA had also demanded “significant portions” of Wilson’s manuscript be “excised or rendered ‘fiction”‘ to protect the secrecy of Wilson’s service before 2002, it said.
“Defendants cannot unring the bell by asserting that their documented, authorized and voluntary disclosure was just a mistake,” the suit said.
“There simply is no basis for the CIA to maintain in effect that Valerie Plame is the only person in the world who is not entitled to publish this information,” it said.
Plame’s dates of service were contained in an unclassified letter sent to her in 2006 by the agency after she inquired about her retirement benefits.
‘ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR’
CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield said the letter had been “an administrative error” because it contained classified information and the CIA had taken steps to fix the problem.
“The concern is that publication of the manuscript as submitted would cause additional damage to operations and would affect the agency’s ability to conduct intelligence activities in the future,” he said.
All publications by CIA and ex-CIA agents must be approved by a review board, which says its only objective is to prevent classified material from being released to the public.
The suit said Plame has worked with the CIA Publications Review Board for the past 10 months to comply fully with her secrecy agreements and avoid divulging any national security information.
“The CIA’s effort to classify public domain information is an unreasonable attempt at prior restraint of publication, and a violation of our First Amendment rights,” Simon & Schuster said in a statement.
“We have filed our suit in the belief that the CIA’s actions have implications that are much broader than this particular case, and that could have a chilling effect on the nature of public discourse in a free society,” it said.
The leaking of Plame’s identity prompted an investigation to determine if government officials had broken any laws.
Nobody was charged with blowing her cover, but Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Cheney’s former chief of staff, was found guilty in March of lying and obstructing the investigation.
Evidence at that trial showed Libby and several other White House and State Department officials leaked her identity to discredit her husband, who had accused the administration of twisting intelligence to build a case for invading Iraq.
Doug,
Republank has to use lies from sites like junkscience.com because credible science does not support his opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy
Jim Norton has an informative page,’Correcting myths from Steven Milloy’http://info-pollution.com/milloy.htm
Hmmm, I saw nothing on Norton’s page that disputed those temperature charts from NOAA. Could it be that Norton is just another Alarmist who has run out of ideas and uses argumentum ad hominem to prove his points? Sound familiar anyone? :D
Where’s the Beef!
You can see that the graphs at junk science are just that. As I read the graph, the moving average monthly land temperature varies from 2 Celsius to about 18 Celsius in the course of maybe 6 months. Clearly that’s crap for all land on earth, northern and southern hemisphere. The data must represent land temperature at a particular locale, and that locale must be somewhere in the temperate to near arctic or antarctic poles.
A very informative article,
‘From Greenland to Antarctica, the world is losing its ice faster than anyone thought possible. Can humans slow the melting?’http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0706/feature2/
Hmmm, Cosmic rays anyone? :)
Joe, if you’re a liberal, then I must be a conservative.
Is this some new conservative ploy? To try to take over the word ‘liberal’?
I don’t know how you can complain about Edwards if you value civil rights as you claim, and this man worked for civil rights.
For those interested in something resembling the truth, the Steven Milloy story:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=JunkScience.com
Sorry, just realized that Doug beat me to that link.
Ah, the poor lads are jealous of the highly educated Steven Milloy. :)
Finally we are starting to see some HONESTY about Iraq and the high price we are going to have to pay for invading the damn place. Tony Snow said today that he expects to see troops in the country for perhaps 50 years or longer- comparing it to Korea. While I do not think it will be that long, I agree that we will be there for at least 10 to 20 more years. Hopefully after this is all paid for we won’t go around invading other people’s nations anymore!http://www.slate.com/id/2167362/
The highly educated Steven Milloy?
“He holds a bachelor’s degree in Natural Sciences, a law degree and a master’s degree in biostatistics”
I don’t have a law degree. However, I DO have bachelor’s degrees in chemistry (MIT) and geology (WSU), a PhD in Chemistry (UCLA), and a masters in Environmental Science (WSU). Also an MBA (Newman).
Since there has been a surge in interest in the evolution I wanted to link to this contribution which is most in line with my thinking on the religion v. evolution dedate:
http://www.csicop.org/si/2007-02/fundamentalists.html
Though he does not spell out his thoughts as completely, I think the maker of the following film also holds similar views to Dr. Ruse [I recognize that is an unfortunate surname, BTW; probably prompted him to seek the truth as ardently as he apparently has]:
http://www.flockofdodos.com/
Randy Olson was a student of Gould, the Harvard paleotologist/biologist who knew a little bit about Darwinian evolution. I heard Dr. Olson at WSU not long ago. His complaint is that scientists are not good communicators and when they go up against the likes of the Discovery Institute (who hired the same people who brought you the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) they don’t fair too well. Dr. Olson complains that too many scientists don’t think that they have to address the masses. He makes the case that scientists who hold this latter belief, do so at their peril. According to Olson this is an important reason why science has had an eroded influence of late.
Disinformation is popular and profitable – see the posts on Steven Milloy, if you don’t believe me. Steven Milloy made a living arguing that second hand tobacco smoke is not harmful to people. Yeah, the kind of guy many cons around here would love to emulate. Milloy: a real contribution to our country [/sarcasm].
I read an analysis of the age of the universe based on the Genesis account. The author was a Jewish cosmologist at MIT (now there is a combination!). He noted, among other things, that the beginning was not ‘on the first day’ but rather on ‘Day One.’ He noted that not only started the universe but also started time itself.
He then used a series of powers of 2 and time compression with relativity. Day 1 (as I recall) was something like 7 billion years; the rest got progressively shorter. He eventually determined the age as 15 billion years.
He then added a fascinating kicker: if you read it all more figuratively than literally it actually parallels our current understanding.
I’ll look for his link tomorrow; I might still have it in the other office.
Oh Spare me Political_mom! If you think Edwards really cares about Civil Rights then I’m sorry! Nothing else I can say.
Just believe what you want to believe. Hell! Maybe take a visit to the Creation Museum. Other than that, maybe Edwards can sell you a shit brick house on a hot sunny day and you would buy it.
I explained why I’m a liberal. Because I am.
Can anyone here tell me if they think ole Joe here is a liberal?
I thought he claimed to be a libertarian.
Can you explain to me why you think I’m a conservative?
I thought he was a librarian, Ben.
Liberals and Libertarians are pretty much the same thing. Libertarians is a political party. Liberalism is a doctrine.
Like Democrat is a political party, but Leftism is a doctrine.
For fun, search on “steven milloy” athttp://news.google.com/news?ned=us&topic=w
Impressive science journals, heh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Free_Press“Canada Free Press is a Canadian website, which publishes conservative news stories, features, and editorials”
Moony Times and Faux are self explanatory.
Here’s a question. I know you leftist discount and discredit any news source that come from conservative sources, but your own sources, such as moveon.org, media-matters, Daily kos, fire dog lake and etc are all legitimate?
I believe them a lot more than I believe the right sites. Usually the left sites are doing damage control on what the right says.
They’re all just apologists for the Bush administration…defend, deflect, deny.
I think you’re conservative because you very rarely agree with what I agree with. Leftist is your own little thing you say. Left is anyone to the left of the person’s own opinion.Since you’re always on the side of the neocons it seems, I can’t believe you would say you’re a liberal.
And that’s not just because you’re right of me. Mary is right of me, and I don’t think she’s conservative.
And no, liberalism and libertarianism are NOT at all the same things.
NOT EVEN CLOSE.
for one, libertarianism believes in NO social programs at all, they want 3rd world country type models of the economy.
Wrong political_mom.
Joe Williams,
Please read ALL of the reports at, http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
And then tell us what is not “legitimate” there.
And please tell us who is more “legitimate”?
Milloy, who publishes(sic), outside his field of expertise, at his own website, and Faux, Moony Times, etc?
Or the 100’s of the world’s top climate scientists listed in the annex, who compiled those reports from published, peer-reviewed science journals?
Joe has his own private lexicon. It does not match up with anyone elses, but he cares not. He continues on with his idiosyncratic [being kind here] world view.
Just as arguing with Nathan is God’s message to you that you have too much time on your hands, arguing with Joe is a similar tilting at windmills. IOW, a complete waste of time. I have met Joe and he is a nice guy. I liked him. But that does not change my analysis above.
Cosmos constantly writes outside of his expertise, but it doesn’t stop him from exposing his massive ego to the world. :D
Steven Davis another Fister whose only claim to fame is belching beer and spewing his Liberal scat whether it’s wanted or not. :D
Walk on by . . . Just walk on by . . .