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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted May 29, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Feeling a bit nostalgic. Anybody remember Lance Link, The Secret Chimp, and the band The Evolution Revolution?
“Feeling a bit nostalgic. Anybody remember Lance Link, The Secret Chimp, and the band The Evolution Revolution?”
Unfortunately. I just googled Lancelot Link and could find NOTHING about what happened to the unfortunate chimps who were put through that production.
http://www.chimpcollaboratory.org/kingkong.htm
http://www.chimpcollaboratory.org/noreelapes/now.htm
http://www.janegoodall.org/chimp_central/conservation/issues/in_entertainment.asp
Cindy makes good points in her farewell.t’s up to you now’: Sheehan quits By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer20 minutes ago
FORT WORTH, Texas – Cindy Sheehan, the soldier’s mother who galvanized an anti-war movement with her monthlong protest outside President Bush’s ranch, said Tuesday she’s done being the public face of the movement.
ADVERTISEMENT”I’ve been wondering why I’m killing myself and wondering why the Democrats caved in to George Bush,” Sheehan told The Associated Press while driving from her property in Crawford to the airport, where she planned to return to her native California.
“I’m going home for awhile to try and be normal,” she said.
In what she described as a “resignation letter,” Sheehan wrote in her online diary on the “Daily Kos” blog: “Good-bye America … you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can’t make you be that country unless you want it.
“It’s up to you now.”
Sheehan began a grass roots peace movement in August 2005 when she set up camp outside the Bush ranch for 26 days, asking to talk with the President about the death of her son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan. Casey Sheehan was 24 when he was killed in an ambush in Baghdad.
Cindy Sheehan started her protest small, but it quickly drew national attention. Over the following two years, she drew huge crowds as she spoke at protest events, but she also drew a great deal of criticism.
“I have endured a lot of smear and hatred since Casey was killed and especially since I became the so-called “Face” of the American anti-war movement,” Sheehan wrote in the diary.
On Memorial Day, she came to some “heartbreaking conclusions,” she wrote.
When she had first taken on Bush, Sheehan was a darling of the liberal left. “However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the ‘left’ started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used,” she wrote.
“I guess no one paid attention to me when I said that the issue of peace and people dying for no reason is not a matter of ‘right or left’, but ‘right and wrong,’” the diary says.
Sheehan criticized “blind party loyalty” as a danger, no matter which side it involved, and said the current two-party system is “corrupt” and “rapidly descending into with nary a check or balance: a fascist corporate wasteland.”
Sheehan said she had sacrificed a 29-year marriage and endured threats to put all her energy into stopping the war. What she found, she wrote, was a movement “that often puts personal egos above peace and human life.”
But she said the most devastating conclusion she had reached “was that Casey did indeed die for nothing … killed by his own country which is beholden to and run by a war machine that even controls what we think”.
“Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives,” she wrote. It is so painful to me to know that I bought into this system for so many years and Casey paid the price for that allegiance. I failed my boy and that hurts the most.”
“I am going to take whatever I have left and go home,” Sheehan wrote.
“Camp Casey has served its purpose. It’s for sale. Anyone want to buy five beautiful acres in Crawford, Texas?”
usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-05-28-federal-budget_N.htm
The federal government recorded a $1.3 trillion loss last year — far more than the official $248 billion deficit — when corporate-style accounting standards are used, a USA TODAY analysis shows.The loss reflects a continued deterioration in the finances of Social Security and government retirement programs for civil servants and military personnel. The loss — equal to $11,434 per household — is more than Americans paid in income taxes in 2006.
So as long as you don’t find out that you’re being paid less in time, they’re safe and you’re screwed. 180 days is not nearly enough time. Have you even tried to get a lawyer to do anything in that period of time?http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2007-05-29-scotus-pay-bias_N.htmWASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Tuesday limited workers’ ability to sue employers for pay discrimination that results from decisions made years earlier.The court, in a 5-4 ruling, said that employers would otherwise find it difficult to defend against claims “arising from employment decisions that are long past.”The case concerned how to apply a 180-day deadline for complaining about discriminatory pay decisions under Title VII of the federal Civil Rights Act of 1964.Lilly Ledbetter sued Goodyear Tire & Rubber, saying that after 19 years at the company’s Gadsden, Ala., plant, she was making $6,000 a year less than the lowest-paid man doing the same work.Ledbetter said the disparity existed for years and was primarily a result of her gender. A jury agreed, but an appeals court overturned the verdict because she had waited too long to begin her lawsuit.
A Kansas Republican on the Cost of War———-
“…in the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.”
– Dwight David EisenhowerFormer 5-Start General andPresident of the United States
Way to go Ike!! Tell it like it was, is, and shall be for the foreseeaable future!!
The loss reflects a continued deterioration in the finances of Social Security and government retirement programs for civil servants and military personnel. The loss — equal to $11,434 per household — is more than Americans paid in income taxes in 2006.
Posted by: political_mom | May 29, 2007 at 10:29 AM
“The one thing that neither side is coming around to is that this bill WILL bankrupt Social Security, and the Entitlements, and knock many US Citizens Poor out.”
Please provide some numbers or SOMETHING to back that up.
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | May 26, 2007 at 10:53 AM
KsFa is this the evidence you were looking for. Putting a drain on existing programs will always be harmful.
Cindy Sheehan, whether you agreed with her or not, did accomplish quite alot. She did bring the Iraq War into focus for many more Americans who are now agreeing with her.
After 4 years of futile, mismanagement of the war, we are still fighting about who knew what, when, and who did they tell. The real fight for terrorism should be fought on our own soil by becoming independent and not owing anyone or any country anything.
The USA was once the undeniable leader of the free world. Today, thanks to politicians on both sides, we are a debtor nation with schools that are failing our students, we have citizens who are more interested in the next American Idol than who will be the next American president. How sad is that?
We used to be a nation of caring, compassionate people but just mention illegal immigrants and that caring compassionate attitude takes a hike. Our country used to be based on laws, but politicians on both sides have their lobbyists to get the laws biased in their favor. And the height of all hypocrisy was when we had the so-called Christian Right trying to force their version of religion down every American’s throat.
I often wonder if God has turned a deaf ear to our whining ways. If so, I would not blame him.
This should be carefully thought about,
‘Climate change: Stop harming and start helping, Oxfam tells G8 summit’http://www.oxfam.org.uk/applications/blogs/pressoffice/2007/05/climate_change_stop_harming_an.html“G8 countries must act to keep global warming below 2° Celsius and pledge their share of $50bn to help poorest cope with impact….Human-induced climate change is already causing harm to the world’s poorest people, who are the least responsible for emissions and least able to adapt to climatic shocks….The report estimates the share that each country should contribute towards financing adaptation….* United States, responsible for meeting nearly 44% of developing country adaptation costs;”
See link for more, and a detailed PDF report.
do you think the money will go where it is needed, I think not….
BG, do you have proof to back up your claim?
Also, the $50 billion per year to help the poorest countries adapt to climate change is a conservative estimate.
And the cost will rise in the future, as the climate impacts worsen.
My latest video:
(chortles)
http://republikan.typepad.com/republikansan/2007/05/blog_wars.html
For those that have constantly denied that Valerie was covert.
Now apologize, damn it.
“Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak.
Newly released unclassified document details CIA employment”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
We told you so!!!!
Remember, you voted for this bozo, hope you got what you voted for!Bush attacks immigration deal opponents By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer14 minutes ago
GLYNCO, Ga. – President Bush attacked opponents of an immigration deal Tuesday, suggesting they “don’t want to do what’s right for America.”
ADVERTISEMENT”The fundamental question is, will elected officials have the courage necessary to put a comprehensive immigration plan in place,” Bush said against a backdrop of a huge American flag.
He described his proposal — which has been agreed to by a bipartisan group of senators — as one that “makes it more likely we can enforce our border — and at the same time uphold the great immigrant tradition of the United States of America.”
Bush spoke at the nation’s largest training center for law enforcement.
He chose the get-tough setting as conservative critics blast a Senate proposal as being soft on people who break the law. Hoping to blunt that message, Bush emphasized that any new options for immigrants and foreign workers would not start until tougher security is in place.
The presidential stop came during a congressional recess, with senators back home and facing pressure from the left and right on the immigration plan. Bush’s aim is to build momentum for the legislation, perhaps his best chance for a signature victory in his second term. The Senate expects to resume debate on it next week.
“A lot of Americans are skeptical about immigration reform, primarily because they don’t think the government can fix the problems,” Bush said.
“And my answer to the skeptics is: give us a chance to fix the problems in a comprehensive way that enforces our border and treats people with decency and respect. Give us a chance to fix this problem. Don’t try to kill this bill before it gets moving,” Bush told students and instructors at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center.
Bush repeatedly cast the matter as one of political courage.
“Those determined to find fault with this bill will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something they don’t like,” the president said. “If you want to kill the bill, if you don’t want to do what’s right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it.
“You can use it to frighten people,” Bush said. “Or you can show leadership and solve this problem once and for all.”
The bill would give temporary legal status to millions of unlawful immigrants, provided they came forward, paid a fine and underwent criminal background checks. To apply for a green card, they would have to pay another fine, learn English, return to their home country and wait in line.
The plan also would create a guest worker program. It would allow foreign laborers to come to the U.S. for temporary stints, yet with no guarantee they can eventually gain citizenship.
Both the new visa plan and the temporary worker program are contingent on other steps coming first. Those include fencing and barriers along the Mexico border, the hiring of more Border Patrol agents and the completion of an identification system to verify employees’ legal status.
The legislation would also reshape future immigration decisions. A new point system would prioritize skills and education over family in deciding who can immigrate.
Georgia’s senators both played leading roles in producing Bush’s deal with the Senate. Yet they have also said they may not support the final bill, depending upon how it is amended.
Bush chastised those who say the proposal offers amnesty to illegal immigrants. He called it empty political rhetoric.
“Thank you for alerting us. We’ve removed the post. Phillip Brownlee”
At 10:27 PM 05/28/2007 -0500, you wrote:
Mr. Brownlee,I was wondering if you could do me a favor. Someone has posted the following message on the May 27 Open thread and attributed it to me.I posted that day as a “blank” name and some one evidently took advantage of it and posted the following: (re: the vulgar post about Raptor).
:)
Republican !!
I was pretty sure you hadn’t done it, and it’s nice to see the proof. Did the eagle say anything about who did di it??
Did Libby take a bullet to prevent Cheney from going down?
“Absolutely, yes,” says Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post:
Libby’s lies, Fitzgerald wrote, “made impossible an accurate evaluation of the role that Mr. Libby and those with whom he worked played in the disclosure of information regarding Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment and about the motivations for their actions.”
It was established at trial that it was Cheney himself who first told Libby about Plame’s identity as a CIA agent, in the course of complaining about criticisms of the administration’s run-up to war leveled by her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson. And, as Fitzgerald notes: “The evidence at trial further established that when the investigation began, Mr. Libby kept the Vice President apprised of his shifting accounts of how he claimed to have learned about Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment.”
The investigation, Fitzgerald writes, “was necessary to determine whether there was concerted action by any combination of the officials known to have disclosed the information about Ms. Plame to the media as anonymous sources, and also whether any of those who were involved acted at the direction of others. This was particularly important in light of Mr. Libby’s statement to the FBI that he may have discussed Ms. Wilson’s employment with reporters at the specific direction of the Vice President.”
Not clear on the concept yet? Fitzgerald adds: “To accept the argument that Mr. Libby’s prosecution is the inappropriate product of an investigation that should have been closed at an early stage, one must accept the proposition that the investigation should have been closed after at least three high-ranking government officials were identified as having disclosed to reporters classified information about covert agent Valerie Wilson, where the account of one of them was directly contradicted by other witnesses, where there was reason to believe that some of the relevant activity may have been coordinated, and where there was an indication from Mr. Libby himself that his disclosures to the press may have been personally sanctioned by the Vice President.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/05/29/BL2007052901024.html?hpid=topnews
It looks like Libby, who had to take one for the team, is going to serve at least thirty months.
Now the question is, “will Bush pardon” and show himself to care nothing for the rule of law?
I’m betting yes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679
And in a related story, I think maybe LTPoster reported this already, but it’s worth another look.
VALERIE PLAME WAS COVERT.
The unclassified summary of Plame’s employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, “Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.”
Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, “engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business.” The report says, “she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times.” When overseas Plame traveled undercover, “sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias — but always using cover — whether official or non-official (NOC) — with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.”
*****
So all you reich-wingers who keep repeating Rush O’Hannity’s lie that “she wasn’t covert–she wasn’t covert,” were DEAD WRONG.
Looks like your right-wing sources were full of SH*T as usual.
Which makes YOU full of SH*T for uncritically repeating it.
Don’t sugar coat it, Capn’, tell it like it is.
The really sad thing is though that the reich-wing doesn’t really care if what they say is true.
Not really.
Look at all the lies they’ve swallowed and repeated to protect Worst President Ever.
And when those lies are shown to be lies, they unapologetically move to another set of lies.
Anything which puts the Bush administration in a good light is automatically TRUE, no matter how little evidence supports it. And anything that puts the Bush administration in a bad light is automatically FALSE, its source mercilessly slandered, and then when it’s proven to be true . . . oh well, all is forgotten and the cycle begins again.
Look at the reich-wingers who even now will argue that Libby is “innocent” even after he was convicted by jury in a court of law.
Facts don’t matter to Mr. 28percent.
The VALERIE PLAME WAS COVERT link at msnbc also has a PDF of her CIA employment and cover history.
“MY DEAR GENERAL:–I do not remember that you and I ever met personally. I write this now as a grateful acknowledgment for the almost inestimable service you have done the country. I wish to say a word further. When you first reached the vicinity of Vicksburg, I thought you should do what you finally did–march the troops across the neck, run the batteries with the transports, and thus go below; and I never had any faith, except a general hope that you knew better than I, that the Yazoo Pass expedition and the like could succeed. When you got below and took Port Gibson, Grand Gulf, and vicinity, I thought you should go down the river and join General Banks; and when you turned northward, east of the Big Black, I thought it was a mistake. I now wish to make the personal acknowledgment that you were right and I was wrong.”
Lincoln wrote this to grant after the fall of Vicksburg. I’m sure we all respect him for being able to admit he was wrong.
Unfortunately, for all that the public says that they admire this trait in a leader, they always express in poll after poll, their desire for a leader who is “steadfast”, who doesn’t “flip-flop”, who stays the course, etc. Kinda puts politicians in an uneasy position…if they admit that they change their minds, they won’t be elected, if they don’t change their minds, they might be elected, and if they change their minds after appearing to not change their minds, then they “flip-flop”.
Capn,
“Facts don’t matter to Mr. 28percent.”
Yep, and that’s why they are who/what they are.
No BFAH they didn’t write anything other than that message. I was highly doubtful that they would reveal anyone. If they do something, no one will know, but the person who posted that message I would guess. A reporters training I suppose, doubt out anyone who might be a possible source. :D
I gave them two messages. The one about raptor and one of mine, so the could compare IP’s.
They took the proper action imo.
The Plame thing is a question about semantics. The person(a lawyer) who wrote the standard and the language of the Bill said Plame was “undercover” but not “covert.”
An example would be a CID agent who is “undercover” investigating a case. A covert operative would have no known ties to his/her identity including possibly where they are from.
I don’t know the legalese to describe it, but those facts were stated long ago before Congress and entered into testimony – that is “Plame was under cover – not covert.”
It’s amazing how much of Shehans speech can be attributed to Rush and others from about 2-3 years back. Rush called it then as well as several others.
The biggest problem with Shehan and the rap she got was going after the US alone. After the way the libs used her, she is now very much aware that it takes two.
She never understood or acknowledge that we can all have our idea of nirvana. That we all have our dream of peace and no hungary and no needless death. We all have that. She just never looked at the REAL world. It is like the line from A Few Good Men. This world has walls and people are needed to stand on those walls. I don’t care if everyone in the US woke up tomorrow and said that we want peace, THE END. It isn’t going to happen. Unless we completely close our borders. Get out of the world market. Take no action anywhere, i.e. Israel, Darfur, Somalia. Maintain our own energy supply and economy, complete and total isolationist, then this will NEVER happen.
Rhodes from Air America has been going on for the past week that we were attacked on 9-11 because OBL was pissed we were stationed in Saudi. SO WHY DIDN’T CLINTON PULL US OUT OF THERE THE FIRST TIME WE WERE ATTACKED ON THE WTC?
I don’t care how many of us want total peace as long as there are mad men OUTSIDE our borders who would do us harm for our actions there is NOTHING we can do.
How far does diplomacy work when the other side isn’t listening, or is shaking our hand with one hand while the other holds a knife. Do you really think that us having peace talks with Iran, is going to prevent them from developing weapons and STILL want to wipe Israel off the map. Are we okay with that?
DIPLOMACY, DIPLOMACY, DIPLOMACY were the words of the day back in 38 and 39. What did that create. I’ve asked this before, what would have happened had Hitler been slapped down in 38. How many millions of lives could have been saved. How many lives of our US soldiers could have been saved had we done that or backed up our diplomatic gestures against Japan prior to Pearl Harbor.
How many months of diplomacy were put up to Saddam in 1990. He claimed that Kuwait was really part of Iraq and was invited in.
“Oh well, in that case pardon us, we’ll let you get back to the raping, torturing and killing of the Kuwaiti’s. Sorry to have bothered you.”
Anyone want to take a guess where Saddam would be today had that happened? I’m guessing he’d have a real nice palace sitting outside Mecca in Saudi. I wonder how our economy would be doing right now had that happened and he froze the oil. I wonder if those on minimum wage would be able to afford the 9.00 a gallon gas to get to their jobs?
Do some of you people not think. I don’t care how bad you want something to happen, unless EVERYONE goes along, it is not going to happen.
Do you really think that if you announced tomorrow that EVERY child born in the US will get a free college degree, that the prisons would be empty in 22 years? Do you think that teenage pregnancy would end? Do you think crime will end?
IF you can GUARANTEE and I mean GUARANTEE that every single radical muslin tomorrow would take no more action against the US, THEN I would be the first in line demanding our immediate pull out of Iraq. AND that we will NOT respond when the genocide begins, either in Iraq, Iran, Darfur, Somalia, Israel etc., then I’m all for it.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070529_Unclassified_Plame_employement.pdf“… on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.”
Great Post Gene Raston! Chronologically expansive and entertaining to read as well!
Thanks!
Why did you even post as blank in the first place repub? Jesus Christ, see, this is the stupid crap I was talking about yesterday.
PMom,I had posted on another blog and changed it in Typekey. It takes 24 hours for the name to change under buffers of Typekey, so I was stuck with it for awhile.
political_mom,
Republican aka ‘blank’ posted under J M Walker’s nic at http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_25.html#comment-70812508
Most of it is copy/pasted, without quotes, from links at bottom of the post.
But he added the completely false last paragraph claiming the Corps “lost the funding” — because he is too IMMATURE to admit he was wrong.
Note the errors and wording: 1997 should be 1996, Army Corp[s] of Engineer[s], and the odd “meaningful manner”.
My EARLIER post (Sierra Club link) accurately described the 1977 and 1996 lawsuitshttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/dont_count_on_f.html#comment-70787152Read his post right after mine.So he first said Congress and the Justice Dept were sources for his false claim… then later used his own LIES, humanevents.com, and a blog. And stole J M Walker’s nic.
What was the PURPOSE of changing your name to begin with Khan?
Heck at least when I did it, it was almost the exact same name so nobody would think I was someone else.
http://cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/index.php?p=1596
Stanford University:
“US: Gulf Coast Hurricanes: History behind the levees and barriers
Overall, the current levee projects are still delayed after nearly 10 years due to lawsuits filed by the same environmental groups that effectively ended the Pontchartrain Hurricane Barrier Project in 1977.
Now, the political partisans are pointing their fingers in the wrong direction. The environmental groups, using provisions in the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) to their advantage, managed to halt the progress of the Corps for forty years (40).
One can only wonder if the corps projects would have saved New Orleans or lessened the effects of this tragedy. Hopefully, state officials and activist judges will learn from their deadly mistakes and begin to make choices to protect American citizens before protecting the preferences of the environmental lobby. When it comes to people versus birds, bees and bicycle paths, people must be given preference.
Environmentalists don’t understand this. I’m sure a lot of environmentally minded people lost their homes to Katrina. Wonder what they’re thinking now, about their past conduct in crippling the Corps’ ability to protect their homes. Poetic justice.”
Patrick Fitzgerald’s account of Libby’s crimes:
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/Libby_Sentencing_memo052507.pdf
Republican,
That was a well-written opinion piece…lots of facts. However, it is unclear whether the levees are the best way to stop storm surges in the gulf that affect NO. In fact, here is a counterargument: (CNBC)
“Sidney Coffee, executive assistant to the governor for coastal activities, said about 1,900 square miles of wetlands have disappeared from the area since the 1930s, and the receding continues at a rate of about 24 square miles per year. The erosion has a direct impact on New Orleans’ ability to absorb the blow of a storm like Katrina, she said. For every 2.7 miles of wetlands, storm surges are reduced by about one 1 foot, she said.
“We’ve tried and tried and tried to tell people this is real, this is happening. This is happening a little bit every day,” she said. “But it’s a real emergency.”
Area residents can see the effects of decreased wetlands even with large thunderstorms, she said. Some area highways now flood regularly just from the day’s high tide, she said.
“We’ve lost so much of (the wetlands), it puts cities at greater and greater risk,” Coffee said.
Several factors — most human-made — have contributed to the steady decline of the delta at the bottom of the Mississippi. But most of the erosion is blamed on the levees, which faithfully steer all the water from the Mississippi into the Gulf of Mexico. That prevents occasional flooding, keeping area residents above water most of the time. But one unforeseen consequence of the levees has been to cut off wetlands from their life force.
The regular floods served nature’s purpose by feeding the delta, bringing fresh water and sediment that served to sustain life and replenish the wetlands. Without the regular flooding, the wetlands naturally “compact.”
“Simply put, when the land does not have any nutrients and fresh water it dies,” Marmillion said.
Fixing the problem will be costly and time consuming. Area citizens regularly donate old Christmas trees which are strategically placed in the marshes to help retain sediment, but the effort is largely symbolic, Coffee said.
“The entire area has to be re-plumbed,” she said. “You have to build on what you have. It’s a very complex solution.”
About $14 billion is needed for a variety of projects, including diverting river water and manually depositing sediment. Even still, it’ll take about 20 years to reverse the effects erosion, she said.
So far, only a tiny portion of those funds are being spent. The recent energy bill passed by Congress contains about $540 million to start anti-erosion projects. Another $2 billion, earmarked for Army Corp of Engineers projects, has been proposed as part of a water resources bill currently making its way through Congress.
“This is a very intense effort that would go on to do this,” she said. “But the costs of not doing it are far greater.”
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Republican’s cite is not “Stanford University” any more than We Blog is the Wichita Eagle. That should be kept in mind when reading what he pasted. No credentials were listed about the author – is he a geomorphologist or geomorphological engineer?
The Corps continues to favor outmoded slash and channel approaches that have been shown to be ineffective. They CHOSE to take actions that lowered the city through enhanced subsidence. They CHOSE to strip the barrier marshes be starving them of needed sediment. They CHOSE to allow channels to be cut through the remaining barrier marshes. These were all CHOICES made by the Corps. BAD CHOICES.
It is time to move past slash-and-channel and move toward geomorphological engineering. This has been shown to be more effective in flood control for waterways from the huge ones like the Mississippi to tributaries like the Cowskin. It also helps assure water supplies during dry seasons.
One of the reasons the drought is hitting Florida so badly is the draining of the marshes around Lake Okechoobie. On south Georgia the situation in the great Okefenookee swamp is made worse by such drainage.
Unfortunately the Corps refuses to learn.
Please don’t feed the Republitroll. He is bloated enough with the attention he craves from reasonable people here.
I agree Steven.
It takes discipline to respond to his unmitigated lies and unvarnished bullsh*t, but not responding is the quickest way to improve the blog.
I agree Steven.
It takes discipline to NOT respond to his unmitigated lies and unvarnished bullsh*t, but not responding is the quickest way to improve the blog.
Steven Davis,
I’m not “feeding”… just pointing out that he’s a LIAR.
‘BLAMING ENVIRONMENTALISTS FOR KATRINA: WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW!’http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/releases/pr2005-09-13a.asp“BOTTOM LINE: There was widespread local opposition. This [1977] project risked replacing one major threat with another. A Federal Judge demanded that the Army Corps provide more info, it never did, and it abandoned the project years later on its own.”
http://www.levees.org/factsheet
‘Army Corps Admits Flaws in New Orleans Levees’http://www.levees.org/research/sources/nytimes1.htm
It is a dilemma, Cap’n, do we let his unmitigated lies stand or do we refute them. I suggest considering his posts to be the ugliest of all possible graffiti and walk on by…
cosmos,
There is no doubt that he-who- shall-not-be-named is a lying POS. The poor bastard doesn’t even try to defend himself from that charge anymore. Since we all know what he is about, beyond any reasonable doubt, (and he tacitly admits it, too) isn’t your work a bit redundant? And don’t you have better things to do than respond to graffiti?
Thanks for your consideration.
After a point in time, the best way to deal with bullshit artists, assorted liars, Rovian distorters, etc, is just to ignore their nonsense and let it go.
There is no point in trying to address an issue logically when dealing with someone that is totally illogical.
Don’t feed the troll and move on.
After all, you could be the next XXX or J M Walker that is trolled with outrageous lies.
Right, Steven. And cosmos, you might want to consider this too–
Republican isn’t arguing like normal people arguing. He’s arguing to provoke a response.
What he told P-Mom is total crap.
But that’s the twisted cleverness of it: it is so patently crap that posters who care about truth are going to want to smash it.
That’s when it’s time to start humming that old Bacarach and David song sung by Dion Warwick: “Walk on by . . . walk on by . . . “
Yeah Steven Davis, don’t ever tell Cosmos that he is feeding the troll!
You know Cosmos is never wrong and he will hyperlink you into submission if you continue. :)
Waaah Waaaaaah Waaaaaaaaahhhh!
You libs are sooo worried about who is posting on what name and when. Who cares?
More importantly: The president has a higher (or less-low, if you prefer) approval rating than the Democrat controlled congress.
Fortunately, the president doesn’t look at the polls. He leads as I want him to lead: by doing what is right.
Steven Davis, WSClark, and Capn,
I agree that trying to debate with someone who’s illogical is hopeless — it’s like arguing with a totally wasted, falling-down drunk, or an clueless idiot.
My last post was basically a “heads-up” for any new readers to this blog.
But there’s probably not many of them here, and they’ll figure him out pretty quickly. Unless they’re like him, and then they’re also hopeless.
Speaking of trolls…
Just in the nic (ha!) of time, the Golf Nut shows up!!!! All right!!!
How have you been, Dave? Same old superior life? Better than all the rest? Had your doctor check on that halitosis?
Homer Arafat . . . damn, I missed that guy.
Walk on by . . .
Oh, man, Barak Obama is on Dave right now.
How was I missing this?
Per usual, the flaming libs ignore the substance and move straight to personal attacks.
Just like a buncha sheep…
baaaa
Go hit your balls with a golf club, KSgolfnut.
Oh Brad…
Yes, Dave.
Did you want me to hit them for you?