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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted May 21, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Beat the conservative on call.
WooHoo…
Dems are beating the GOP in using the internet effectively.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/20/AR2007052001408.html?hpid=topnews
Too bad the VAST majority of the public doesn’t follow blogs.
Obama might be loved by the MySpace crowd – but are they old enough to vote?
If they are – will they even know what day they are supposed to?
I checked out MySpace and I didn’t see anything about Obama -or any candidate, for that matter, but I DID see pic after pic of kids posing by cars and with other kids, most in various states of undress.
I’m not encouraged that teens who can’t remember to get fully dressed will remember to vote.
lol
In her new book, “The Extreme Makeover of Hillary (Rodham) Clinton”, Bay Buchanan says that Hillary may suffer from narcissistic personality disorder.
The symptoms include: a feeling of superiority and self importance; a sense of entitlement; fantasies of unlimited success, fame, or power; belief that he or she is special or superior in some way and can only be understood by, or should associate with others who are like them; use of others to achieve own ends; lack of empathy; seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration; behaves arrogantly and haughty, “above the law.” American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Association, 2000; Theodore Millon, Disorders of Personality: DSM-IV and Beyond (New York: John Wiley and Sons, 1996); MayoClinic.com,
Whether this is true of Hillary or not I can say I have seen these symptoms in someone else, our President George W. Bush
KCDude – I don’t know who does or doesn’t have this disorder, outside of a couple of folks on this board – but I’ve heard the book you cited is quite good…and telling.
I plan on buying it this week.
I don’t think it went to press late enough to cover the strange habit of Hillery adopting the fake drawl, only when she spoke to those in the Deep South, but it would be interesting to hear a professional’s reasoning behind that.
“The symptoms include: a feeling of superiority and self importance; a sense of entitlement; fantasies of unlimited success, fame, or power; belief that he or she is special or superior in some way and can only be understood by, or should associate with others who are like them; use of others to achieve own ends; lack of empathy; seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration; behaves arrogantly and haughty, “above the law.”"
Wow, that describes pretty much every politician in Washington, as well as Kansas and the rest of the nation. So your point in hanging it on one? Early morning humor is good for the soul, ain’t it?
Looks like the long overdue Phase II report will be released this month from the Intelligence Committee with a couple of surprises
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003714474_iraqintel20.html
Bay Buchanan is now a psychologist?Have you ever heard her husband speak? Those traits describe him to a t.
Wonder why Bay is writing a nasty book about Hillary…gee…hmmm…
Really good site on facing our own prejudices and the psychology behind racism. If we’re to really try to end racism and sexism, gay bashing, etc. We need to know WHY these ideals occur.
apa.org/pi/oema/racism/contents.html
“Social dominance orientation (SDO) is a recently developed concept which focuses on individuals’ attitudes toward intergroup relations. Individuals with a high social dominance orientation (SDO) are thought to believe that hierarchical relations are necessary and natural and prefer their group is on top, as opposed to an orientation which prefers equal relations among groups. Individuals high in SDO tend to be political conservatives and to have higher levels of sexism and racism (Pratto et al., 1994). “
Just saw on the news about the dragonskin body armor that is banned from US military use in Iraq. It outperformed the standard body armor that is allowed by our US military.
Why does Bush and Company profess to be supply our soldiers with all they need in Iraq when they are obviously supplying inferior body armor? Is it because someone’s brother-in-law is selling the inferior body armor? Again, we have a mystery as to why Bush and Company persist in the mismanagment of this insane war.
What is it about Obama that scares the likes of GS and other Republicans? Like it or not, the MySpace generation is the next in line to take over. And the younger generation can smell a scam artist a mile away. Better watch out, Republicans, your days are numbered.
narcissistic personality disorder:
The symptoms include: a feeling of superiority and self importance; a sense of entitlement; fantasies of unlimited success, fame, or power; belief that he or she is special or superior in some way and can only be understood by, or should associate with others who are like them; use of others to achieve own ends; lack of empathy; seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration; behaves arrogantly and haughty, “above the law.”JM, The main thing about this diagnosis is the fact that the person with these traits usually hasn’t achieved any power or importance, but they see themselves that way, which separates them from those with the same traits who have power and success. Sure there are narcissists in power, but it wassn’t the diagnosis that got them there.The DSM lV is quite interesting, be careful, you nay see yourself in that book!
cat, I’ve already answered this isse on Dragon Skin body armor once here on WE Blog, so please pay attention.
1) – Military members are not allowed to take their own weapons/body armor into battle. Some special forces excluded.
2) The testing on Dragon Skin body armor by the U.S. Army has shown the TV debut of the body armor has been more hype than fact as the body armor failed several tests.
The reasons you don’t bring your own stuff into the battlefield is,
1) Others depend on you to defend work with them and have functioning weapons/body armor. The army can’t control this if you buy your own.
2) Rescue or Medical personnel will be unfamiliar with cutting you out of your armor in the battlefield. They can’t spend extra minutes trying to figure out how to get you out of your body armor when bullets are flying about and you are bleeding to death.
3) If it ain’t issue or approved by the Military, you better not wear it and there are very specific regulations telling you not to.
So please do pay attention cat, I’ve already addressed this to on of your multiple personalities.
Isn’t it funny how everything is Bush’s fault? The Army makes a decision (right or wrong) and it is still Bush’s fault. Huh…
Republican,
You are very correct.
Cat,
Almost everything the military has is not top of the line or the best they could have.
It is the most cost effective.
We still use M16A2 service rifles which are not the “best” but work.
I could bring my own M4 and stuff I have to war and it would be better than what I was issued.
However, the military logistics system couldn’t support it if everyone had their own stuff.
When things break the military wouldn’t have the parts or wouldn’t be able to replace it.
Please do a little bit of thoughtful research on this stuff before you go off on the typical I hate bush blame game.
Hey Republican – I see we are showing our narcisstic syndrome again. How arrogant of you to talk down to everyone else you consider beneath you.
And for Nathan – I never said every soldier should bring their own stuff. My only question is why does Bush and company profess to love our military so much and then supply with inferior body armor? Let’s have the truth about the body armor and not just the talking points that Republican is full of.
Oh, yeah, truth is something the Bush Administration would know little about.
Cat,
Fine. You really want to keep pressing the point?
What is the current armor inferior too?
What are the current problems the currently issued body armor is facing which a different body armor would fix?
What would be the cost/benifit ratio of the current body armor vs what you think they should be issued?
Lets hear it cat, since you seem to know so much.
I used the current body armor and have seen it in combat.
It is constantly being improved and upgraded. The Marine Corps is currently in the provess of deploying a completely new set of body armor too. Some units already are recieving it as we speak.
So please tell us, how the military under Bush is not supplying our troops with what they need?
nathan brings up a point about the military equipment. Why don’t we have the best equipment? Why do we have the most cost-effective, even if that means inferior equipment?
We are fighting a war, Nathan, and yet I hear continuously how our soldiers are not equipped and now you say it is because of some budget cost-effective nonsense?
George Bush is the Commander in Chief and he has already spent how many billions on this war? If he cannot guarantee our soldiers the best equipment there is, then he needs to step down and find someone who will do the job. I’m surprised you didn’t try to blame Bill Clinton for this one – that is your usual response to any criticism about Bush.
I am just asking a valid question based on a news report I saw this morning. Why are you so defensive of Bush? Is the truth hitting too close to your beloved leader?
Dammit Steven! While I was feeding chickens you posted the link to why republicans are losing on the internet. Oh well, here are some excerpts for the link challenged.
I think readers can see the truth of this post right here on the WEBlog.
Republicans playing catch-up in Internet strategy as disparity growshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18774299/
Updated: 1:43 a.m. CT May 21, 2007When David All, a former Republican congressional aide, launched a blog recently that he hopes will spur his fellow Republicans to bridge the digital divide, he did his best to sound upbeat. “Today our Revolution begins,” he wrote. “Tomorrow we fight.”But implicit in his cheerleading was the acknowledgment that there is a widening gap between Democrats and Republicans on the Internet, and that his party will have to scramble to catch up. “For the most part Republicans are stuck in Internet circa 2000,” he said in an interview.
Another Republican — Michael Turk, who was in charge of Internet strategy for President Bush’s 2004 campaign — puts the problem his party faces more bluntly: “We’re losing the Web right now.”
(snip)
One reason for the disparity between the parties, political insiders say, is that the top Republican candidates are not exciting voters the way the Democratic front-runners are.
Another is that it takes a certain level of technical skill and understanding to be an online strategist, and Republicans admit that “the pool of talent in the Democrats’ side is much bigger than ours.”
But an underlying cause may be the nature of the Republican Party and its traditional discipline — the antithesis of the often chaotic, bottom-up, user-generated atmosphere of the Internet.
“We’ve always been a party of staying on message,” All said. “It’s the Rush Limbaugh model. What Tony Snow says in the White House filters down to talk radio, which makes its way to the blogs.”
I think that supports Pmom’s post about Social Dominance Orientation.
Sound like anyone(s) here?
heheheeh! I wonder if the early bird (or actually the late night) posts on the open thread by the day’s designated wingnut is part of the republican strategy to catch up on the internet?
Somehow, I dont think it is working…
whatif,
I have always held to what I am saying now.
Cost/benifit ratio is a rather simple concept. It is taught in certainly every economics class.
If we were to fund our military with the absolute best equipment there is, we could afford to equip perhaps one division only.
It has nothing to do with being cheap, but practical.
This has nothing to do with my protecting Bush. This has everything to do with common sense.
Nathan,The dragon skin uses ’scales’ of composite material instead of metal plates. This allows the armor to be lightweight, less bulky and allow the wearer more freedom of movement. I guess for straight on ballistic testing, it outperforms the current armor. The maker of the current armor agrees with this assessment.
I would have to guess that the armor failed in other tests.
Cat,This was a military decision. Bush does not test body armor. Why do you continue to place the blame for EVERYTHING on Bush?
Cat,
I think you have no idea of what you are talking about yet you are still scraping at anything to blame Bush for.
I am not being defensive.
Either you can hold an intelligent conversation about this or you can’t.
I’m still waiting for you to answer my questions so I can see.
Bush is the one that professes to love our military and wants to provide them with the best. Why is is such a stretch of the imagination to think that Bush, as the Commander in Chief, could not see to it that his generals on the ground follow his orders of supplying the best equipment?
Why is so hard for Republicans to let go of the concept that war is not cheap? Why do you as patriotic Americans allow your leader to manage his war on the cheap? Does that make you feel safer from terrorists to know that we are supplying the military on the cheap? But yet Halliburton was paid quite handsomely for their so-called expertise. Has anyone questioned their cost-effectiveness?
I don’t hate Bush, I simply think he has mismanaged this war from day one and he continues to do so in spite of some of his own party leaders starting to grumble. Is this really a wise leader?
Cat,
Once again, your post only proves you are doing little more than turing anything you can into an attack on the President.
“The DSM lV is quite interesting, be careful, you may see yourself in that book!”
Yep, this is known as medical student disease. I think you could propose a corollary termed “blogger’s disease” whereby the labeler should be able to see that they fit the diagnostic criteria they describe, but because of their pathology, they are unable to recognize it. Much to the amusement of those around them.
If you look a little, you can find Obama’s myspace site:
http://www.myspace.com/barackobama
I don’t know about a myface account for him.
BTW, if I am recalling correctly, Bay Buchannon is Bill’s sister and not his wife.
I asked a simple question about the two body armors being tested and why the military chose the lesser effective of the two.
You were the one that chose to turn the topic into a cost-effective, military cannot have soldiers bring their own stuff, military not having parts to fix everything, and everything else you have tried to drag into this conversation.
I ONLY asked a valid question as to which YOU have not responded to at all. Instead you throw mud at the wall and see what sticks.
Now you may go back to your war games, Nathan. I am really quite tired of trying to get a simple question through your brain. You obviously cannot be objective when it comes to criticism of Bush. don’t let your blind loyalty lead you in the wrong direction.
Bay Buchanan is Pat Buchanan’s sister. I don’t know about Bill.
CatYou will never get the reich wingers to admit that BushCo. mismanaged anything. They feel that history will judge this president as a genious. Remember that this administration said “that you go to war with the military you have, not the military you want”. That should give you some kind of idea of how this administration thinks. The reich wingers will not answer alot of questions, not just yours. The country has demanded answers to decision making processes etc.. Their response….”I am the decider.” “I spoke with God and he told me to invade Iraq.” These religious nutballs never face accountability and neither do the 28% that support them. They have circled the wagons and have taken a posture such that, their own supporters can’t reach them anymore. Simply put they are hypocritical, gay hating, fetus hugging, war monging, adultering, child touchers that will be judged soon enough.
Thank God the majority of Americans have woke up and are now questioning everything this administration is doing.
I remember an old saying that if the test of sunlight is too much for someone, then they are doing something crooked. Kinda makes you wonder why Bush and Company don’t like the sunlight of questions – huh?
“What is it about Obama that scares the likes of GS and other Republicans? Like it or not, the MySpace generation is the next in line to take over.”————
He doesn’t scare me – he amuses me. Especially, with comments such as 10,000 Kansans dying in the tornado.
Hey – when the MuSpace generation is ready to put their clothes on and ‘take over,’ let me know.
lol
“My only question is why does Bush and company profess to love our military so much and then supply with inferior body armor?”—————-
For the same reason the FDA does not approve Grandma’s Chicken Soup for curing colds, although it may be the best thing out there.
Think about it.
Exactly Cat. They have destroyed our credibility in the world and have given up the moral highground that we once enjoyed. Their reasoning makes no logical sense and they use fear to justify almost everything they do. When you watch the republican presidential candidates debate the issues and one has an unique opinion he is rewarded with getting kicked off future debates. That shows you how small minded the party is. If you don’t toe the “Boot in their Ass” party line then you are a weak liberal socialist. Doesn’t sound like the party of small government and fiscal responsibility that they use to run on. Now its hate speech(whether its illegals or gay marriage), fear mongering, big brother and big government. They use the word terror at every chance and let Operation Resue use terror tactics and do nothing about it. They are the party of talking points and little more.
Obama makes one goof about 10,000 people (after all he had been told the tornado wiped out the entire town, perhaps that is why he said 10,000 and not only 10?) and George W. Bush has stammered and misprounced his way through 6 years and you dare to criticize Obama for one slip of the tongue?
Arrogance is not a trait that is admired, except in the circle of arrogance.
Hey GS – I don’t think you want to go there about the MySpace crowd putting their clothes on.
From the past several years of total Republican controlled Congress, I think the average American knows which politician can keep their clothes on and which ones cannot. Those that failed, lost their seat in Congress. Wasn’t the losers all in the GOP camp?
For being the party of honesty, integrity and morals, the Republicans have really messed up big time. the MySpace crowd does know hypocrisy when they see it.
Cat, there is more to testing things than just firing bullets or doing a fragmentation test.
They have to look at
1) durability2) How easily it can be repaired, cost of repairs.3) How the soldier tolerates the armor under conditions of heat, stress, wind, etc.4) How the armor tolerates heat, stress, cold, wind, etc.5) Is the armor good for special forces who sometimes spend a lot time in water?6) Does the armor have pinch points?7) Does the company that makes the armor have the ability to fit all anthropometric sizes? Not all torsos are the same you know. Some people have a very short sitting height (short waisted) and some have a very tall sitting height (long waisted.)8) There are Mil Specs written for almost any item in the Military’s supply and equipment. If the item tested continually fails the quality assurance tests that are statistically sampled, it is a no go.
There is no politics involved here, it’s a scientific method testing according to specification (specs) requirement.
And, don’t forget, who is selling the inferior body armor – right?
Isn’t MySpace owned by Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News Network? :)
cat,
Admit it, you hate to be proven wrong. You’d rather make lame excuses and back peddle on your weak thoughtless positions.
That’s okay, go ahead and do that. We’ll laugh and point at you. :D
“Obama makes one goof about 10,000 people (after all he had been told the tornado wiped out the entire town, perhaps that is why he said 10,000 and not only 10?)”————–
And he didn’t take the time to even READ about the tragedy?
Show’s he’s all talk – no action.
Hey, I think he’s a pleasant-enough fellow – but he’s NOT Presidential material.
Seeing that you guys are on a “I hate Bush” love fest…
Let me break this down a bit more for you:
In the history of American warfare our military has never equiped division size forces with anyting more than basic flack jacket type body armor and kevlar helmet.
When I first joined the Marines we were still using Vietnam era body armor, WWII era tents, and Vietnam era field gear.
Hint: I have only been in the Marines for 10 years.
When we invaded Iraq, our military wasn’t equiped to have our men and women standing on street corners getting shot at by snipers and patroling in vehicles getting blown up with IED’s.
Our military was equiped to wage manuver warfare on an open battlefield. Which we did perform exceptionally on the March up into Baghdad.
The saying we go to war with what we have is not some talking point.
It is the truth. When it is time to go to battle you use what you have, not what you wish you had.
When the need for body armor and vehicles with armor became very apparent the military started implementing a plethora of solutions.
None of them are “the best” they are however the best for the money and ability to impliment.
You absolutely refuse to acknowledge what it takes to equip DIVISION size forces with equipment.
It has to be cost effective.
Of course, who am I? I have only used the equipment in question for the past 10 years…
The best equipment would be giving every single soldier his own M1A1 Abrahms battle tank.
At a cost of several million dollars a piece do you support equiping over 100,000 soldiers with their own personal tank?
That would be “the best!”
Does that help you understand cost/benifit any more?
How about we equip over 100,000 soldiers with “the best:”
Body armor
Helmet
Night Vision
Scope
Weapon
Uniform
Boots
Underwear
Socks
Protective eyewear
Field Gear
GPS
Laser Range Finder
Etc, Etc, Etc…
Once you are done giving them “the best” of everything we will be able to afford about 100 people in the military.
Are you seeing a cost/benifit understanding yet?
How about those fancy cameras you can put on your weapon with a HUD mounted to your helmet?
Lets give those to every single one of our troops too!
That would be “the best”
Nathan never had to experience the WWII metal pot hats like us older vets had. :D
Button up fatigues…
Spit Shined Shoes, including combat boots.
Seriously,
When I joined only 10 years ago we were still using those two man tents which were made from the old Olive Drab canvas with wooden poles. I am talking WWII style stuff here.
We had the green rubber Gumby suits for rain gear.
We had old dirty beat up green flack jackets from Vietnam.
It was only a couple of Commandants ago that finally started to really update our field gear.
Now we have some really great stuff.
Do you see now Cat? They take one thing you say and spin it into this giant “you don’t know what you are talking about” campaign.
Its their strategy, stay on point. Don’t ever try to openly discuss the issue. Find the weak spot an hammer away.
When it was said “you go to war with the army you got, not the army you want.” that was said in response to a soldier asking the Sec of Defense why they were ill equipped. Get the point? They don’t care.
Even though THE EAGLE is owned by the McClatchy group, they still won’t print their articles if they’re critical of Worst. President. Ever.
I had to go to Olympia, Washington for this one:
http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/112079.html
Mcclatchy Newspapers
WENATCHEE — Fired U.S. Attorney John McKay said Sunday he believes the Justice Department is covering up the real reason for his ouster.
“I can see why they would want to come up with an explanation other than the governor’s election for why I would be on such a list,” said McKay, the U.S. attorney for Western Washington until his firing in December.
McKay pointed to the revelation that he first appeared on the Bush administration firing list in 2005 during the heat of the furor over Washington state’s election for governor. Some Republicans were appalled that McKay didn’t bring charges of election fraud in the race won by Democrat Chris Gregoire.
“If it was, I think it is an entirely improper and perhaps illegal reason for my termination,” said McKay.
And having spent some time in procurement, I can tell you it is common practice to write RFPs and milspecs to suit the company the buyers WANT to win the contract.
Yes, items purchased must meet milspec, but how the RFP is written really determines who gets the contract.
Can you say “kickback”?
“Even though THE EAGLE is owned by the McClatchy group, they still won’t print their articles if they’re critical of Worst. President. Ever.” – Capn A…
Or maybe, unlike some people we know, they aren’t too blinded by partisan fervor to know rhetoric and sour grapes when they see it.
If it was, I think it is an entirely improper and perhaps illegal reason for my termination,” said McKay.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | May 21, 2007 at 10:51 AM
he doesn’t know if it was illegal, and he wonders why he was fired?
“Yes, items purchased must meet milspec, but how the RFP is written really determines who gets the contract.
Can you say “kickback”?”——————-
Do you have any evidenct to back this innuendo?
Or are you just blowing and going again?
Is asking for proof on every statement the new republican meme?
I said once I’m not going to play your games gs. Chase your own tail.
Maybe these U.S. Attorneys should have figured out by now, that being appointed an U.S. Attorney isn’t a guaranteed career.
I’ve read somewhere that the average stay for a U.S. attorney is 4 years.
There are plenty of opportunities for attorneys who want make a career in the Federal Government.
I agree with outlander, it’s sour grapes that he doesn’t get to keep his “power position.”
good grief.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=military+procurement+%2B+kickback&btnG=Google+Search
KFG,
Providing a link which gives more links to articles about all those prosecuted for kickbacks doesn’t support your case.
You presented your point as if kickbacks are the status quo ok.
You then provide links to those being punished for it.
Seems like the system is working to me.
“I said once I’m not going to play your games gs. Chase your own tail.”—————
Fine – don’t back up your statements.
Not like anyone pays any attention to them, anyway.
Nathan, Farmie doesn’t want to back up her posts, we’re just supposed to take her word for it.
That’ll be the day.
kfg likes conspiracy – it feeds her and makes her feel warm and fuzzy. :D
Oh, Gee, GS — There goes some more of that Narcissism of yours showing through your gross rhetoric… You know, I really have to hold back, to keep from saying what I would REALLY like to say here….
KFG — GS must have any “tail” to go chase… HaHa!!
Chas – didn’t you claim to be some sort of pastor?
Of what?
The Church of Satan?
Oh gosh, its time for all the Reich Wingers to go tune in Rush, so they get their new talking points for the week…
Now, let me see, where did I put my channel changer, so I can watch CNN and MSNBC for the REAL news??? HaHaHa!!!
No GS… I wouldnt want to interfere with any of your church’s members…
I wonder why Microsoft dumped MSNBC?
No where did I say kickbacks are status quo. Please repost where I said that.
I said they occur. I said nothing about whether they were punished.
Thousands of hits regarding military procurement kickbacks, and I am the one not backing up their statements.
Only in the land of wingnuttia….
And gs still hasnt answered my questions about the Holcomb water hog plant…
KFG… How can GS answer your question about Holcomb?? RUSH hasnt spoken about that one yet…
I think she just abandoned this thread.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/a_federal_subsi.html#comments
If nothing else, it just shows the daily “proof” meme.
heheheheheheh!
Me thinks she should abandon her keyboard… much more negativity comes out of her, and it might blow up in her face!!! Hehehe
“No GS… I wouldnt want to interfere with any of your church’s members…”————
All jokes aside, Chas, your determination to insult and undermine smacks of something LeVey would advocate.
I’m pretty sure I was correct in my first assessment.
Should we address you as the Dark Priest?
I wanna be PC about this, after all.
“KFG… How can GS answer your question about Holcomb?? RUSH hasnt spoken about that one yet…”—————-
Chas, Oh your Darkness – I don’t listen to Rush. Sorry, you can fill me in on what he says.
As for answering farmie – I plan on treating her the same way she treats me.
’nuff said.
Gosh, GS, you could have fooled me, and probably half the people on here… So much of what you write sounds JUST like quips from the Limbaugh show… or the Hannity show, or Drudge…
However, your barbs and needles take on the countenance of one of those Satanic groups you want to put ME in…
After lunch is nap time. Then we will have milk and graham crackers. Is this kindergarten or what?
Gee, Mike, is that the class I stumbled into this morning?? I wondered what happened…
“”Yes, items purchased must meet milspec, but how the RFP is written really determines who gets the contract.
Can you say “kickback”?”
Jeez conservatives, this is well-known. It’s how we get $400 claw hammers and $800 toilet seats. It’s not that the hammer is any different from the one you buy at the hardware store; it’s the amount of testing required to assure it meets the specs that some congressman wrote to throw business to some campaign contributor in his district who manufactures hammers (or toilet seats).
So what do you want next? A link proving that the sun sets in the west?
But, I dont want graham crackers.. I want choc. chip cookies with my milk!!!
Chas, I’m not ‘putting’ you into any group, your comment about ‘chasing tail’ made it very clear that the last entity you worship is Jesus.
Levay was big on that kind of thing.
Go ahead, admit it – we’re all friends here. Having a High Priest in our midst might be a hoot. Don’t be embarrassed. But, please, don’t sacrifice any chickens while you’re trying to type – the blood will ruin your keyboard. I’m told.
Got any more anti-Christian comments?
They DO suit you.
:)
“Gee, Mike, is that the class I stumbled into this morning?? I wondered what happened…”————
Darn – were you looking for the ‘burning in effigy’ thread?
“Online, GOP Is Playing Catch-UpDemocrats Have Big Edge on Web”http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/20/AR2007052001408.html?hpid=sec-tech
Since republicans want everything to revert to the 1950s, they don’t need no stinkin internet.
XXX – are non-union contractors ever awarded government bids?
Listen, wench…. You can make all the accusations you want… I was making a JOKE based on what somebody else wrote about you chasing your tail…. NOW, if you are so far GONE, that you dont know a JOKE when you see one, then God have mercy on you…. Thats one of the first signs of serious mental illness, you old battle axe!!!
XXX – you know I love ya, but we’ve already done that internet topic to death.
“Listen, wench……..snip…..one of the first signs of serious mental illness, you old battle axe!!!”
———————
Oh dear – someone is showing their true colors today…..all black.
Never fear, Oh Dark One, your treacherous mentor is only a sizzle away from granting you every material thing your little heart desires.
There’s only one catch……
….and it’s bound to be uncomfortable.
lol
…and notice that the common expression “chasing your tail” is noted by gs as “chasing tail”.
And she says she doesnt sexualize non-sexual comments.
I also notice she still hasnt answered my questions about the Holcomb plant and its water usage…
“”chasing tail”.”
Gross – coming from you – that really makes me lose my appetite. But thanks for keeping me from fudging on my diet.
And on the Holcomb thing – let’s see….what were your words to me?
Oh yeah, “go chase your own tail.”
Hey, YOU are the one quoting Anton LeVey… not ME… YOU seem to know all about the Church of Satan… BUT, if you want to accuse ME of that, you best back it up with something REAL, instead of your tragic trail of useless, verbage and drool…. You are one SICK lady(if you are a lady)… And YES, I do believe you exhibit serious signs of disturbing mental illness… Why dont you go GOOGLE “depression” or maybe “personality disorder”… See what you find, b**ch!!! I am FED UP with your venemous garbage on this Blog… It might be called “open thread” but that doesnt mean you have free reign to act like the queen of SLANDER!!!!
Outlander and Republican will do everything except acknowledge that the Washington prosecutor got fired for not “investigating” the close election for Governor there.
“Sour grapes” . . . “not a guaranteed position” etc etc.
Except he got fired for something, didn’t he?
If it was because he didn’t trump up non-evidence in a partisan fishing expedition, then he shouldn’t have been fired.
The fact that he COULD be fired does in no way justify the fact that he WAS fired.
AND it still doesn’t explain why the “liberal” Wichita Eagle won’t run important, timely articles by their own news organization.
Capn, given the nature of the local editorial board, it COULD be that they over-looked the story out in Washington State… Then again, they could have black balled the story too….
GS has succeeded in once again making the thread “all about me.”
If you all would just do what I do, you’d be a lot happier and so would the readers:
scroll over her.
I fact, on long threads, I start at the bottom and go up so I can see the name first. GSheridan, Fleetwood, raptor and outlander are instant scroll overs.
Republican, I read just so I can respond and show him to be the mendicious idiot he is.
“Hey, YOU are the one quoting Anton LeVey.”———
Really? What exactly did I quote from him, pray tell?—————–”You are one SICK lady(if you are a lady)… And YES, I do believe you exhibit serious signs of disturbing mental illness…”
————
ROFLMAO
Well, one thing’s certain – whatever church you claim to minister to – I pity the congregation.
What a demented, judgmental old fool you are. Is there such a thing a Our Lady of Scum Suckers?
“I fact, on long threads, I start at the bottom and go up so I can see the name first. GSheridan, Fleetwood, raptor and outlander are instant scroll overs.”—————-
Oh – then how is it you KNOW what I wrote?
ROFL – you’re a hoot.
Ah well, lunch time, once again has come to a close.
I did enjoy the antics of farmie and chas greatly today.
Try to be here same time tomorrow, guys.
It’s a date.
And Chas – no cutting pentagrams into your flesh tonight, okay? I care about you buddy. Blood poisoning’s the pits.
Sorry, GS . . . did you write something to me?
Oh my short term memory loss too… tsk tsk tsk…. Let me find your exact words….
“your determination to insult and undermine smacks of something LeVey would advocate.”
As for “Our Lady of Scum Suckers” I believe that is something only YOU would know about… Really, you might want to see about getting on some kind of medication… it might help with that anal/retinal disease you have developed…
Does anybody else have to constantly type in those shaded little letters on the verify page to post on here??? That gets terribly annoying!!
KFG — I have noticed that tendency of GS to make something “sexual” out of a totally non-sexual context… It’s like some hidden NEED to get S-E-X into conversations where it has no place, nor intent…
Yeah, sometimes. Especially after several posts. Annoying as hell.
Hey Mike, I think I heard the bell for lunch time… see ya all later…. ta ta for now!!
Simply put they are hypocritical, gay hating, fetus hugging, war monging, adultering, child touchers that will be judged soon enough.
Posted by: Mike | May 21, 2007 at 10:00 AM
Mike this is the most hateful thing I have seen this morning. Perhaps your judgement is a little off target. I told you before hate only hurts the container and you appear to have developed some links.
Cat, when you can’t argue your own points without having your gang pile on around you (see Mike, Farmie, Cap, etc..) maybe your point is worthless and invalid.
Been out of town for a while in the world of commonsense and it is good to be back to the blog manics.
Nathan you are right on target about the lack of equip. 10 years ago. It was a disgrace and took a republican prez to step up and equip our military the way it should have been all along.
Cap you should do your own research on that Washington thread. It might open your liberal eyes. The whole thing was a demo election grab that the fed. attorney in that part of the country overlooked. If this att. knew in 2005 he was on the hit list, why didn’t he do something about it? If he thought the AG was asking for the impossible where is the paper trail that would demonstrate this? Any good business has this trail surely lawyers are smart enought to build one also.
Thanks LJ, and it is VERY annoying!!
“AND it still doesn’t explain why the “liberal” Wichita Eagle won’t run important, timely articles by their own news organization.” Capn A…
Considering the makeup of the editorial board and the countless anti-Bush articles run in the Eagle, they have demonstrated they have no qualms about running articles negative on the administration. Unless maybe it was a sour grapes article.
IMO comments like Capn A…’s are all in line with the left’s strategy of complaining about the liberal leaning MSM in order to try to mute the effect of legitimate conservative concerns.
Outlander… Is that sort of like the Reich Wing complaining about the MSM attacks on conservative talk radio, in order to diffuse and mis-direct legitimate liberal concerns?? Hey, if the shoe fits…
Yep Chas is definitely a Fister in disguise.
Funny Ksgrm that you say I am hateful but not that what I say is untrue. Sorry, but don’t kill the messenger. Its your message!
Chas obviously you haven’t been on this blog for long because I usually skip all of farmie’s post. I am not interested in her life. I don’t care to know what she does with her partner.To say GS is the one who brings this up is ludicrous.
It was so patently unture that no thinking person whould need to be told that. I’ll make an exception in your case.
None of what you wrote is true. On both sides of every issues there are radicals. Look at Algore for instance.
Is that enough explanation for you. Put that broad brush away it only makes you look stupid.
“XXX – are non-union contractors ever awarded government bids?”
Posted by: GSheridan | May 21, 2007 at 11:41 AM
blackwater, haliburton, kbr, custer battlles- are they union shops?
“Countless” negative Bush articles, outlander?
That’s true, if by countless you mean can’t be counted because they don’t exist.
And check the links outlander provides.
None.
Typical.
KSGrm… I didnt say ANYTHING to you… Go put on your glasses, dear… I was addressing “farmie” See??
“KFG –”
ALSO, Ksgrmm… I dont much care what “farmie” does with her partner either… it’s none of my business… If you want to read some real drivel, why dont you scroll up and see what your dear friend GS had to say earlier??? Now, THATS drivel….
Thanks, KSGrm, for agreeing that the Washington prosecutor was fired for not investigating the Democratic gubantorial win there.
That’s quite an admission, considering that the Bush people are vehementally DENYING it . . .
GS I can answer that for you. We have a construction company and have done work on McConnell several times. Non-union shops can win bids – but they have to pay their workers union wages. This is another one of those gov. regs that make so sense.
If we have a new gofer who makes less that $10 an hour, when we do gov. work he gets a $4 salary increase. Our guys love to do the base work because we are required to pay them more to do the same work they would do off base for a lesser wage.
Gov. at its best. This would explain the $600 hammer and the $500 toilet.
This has something to do with the Davis-Bacon Act and everything to do with big unions running the democrat party.
Welcome back, KSGrm! How is your fact checking business coming?
Al Gore is a radical?
Is that enough explanation for you. Put that broad brush away it only makes you look stupid.Posted by: ksgrm | May 21, 2007 at 12:28 PM
And I am hateful? By the spelling in your posts, your intelligence could be called into question. Please clear things up for me. Do you love fetus’? Do you support the invasion of countries that have not attacked us? Have you checked on your man lately(he is probably cheating, god knows I would)? Do you think homosexuals are demoralizing the country like those in your party? Nothing that I said is untrue. Its all views that have been endorsed by the GOP. Like I said, don’t kill the messenger.
Umm Ksgrm… How LONG were the Republicans in charge of Copngress?? If they were in charge, WHY couldnt they change all of that “higher wage” stuff for non-union bidders?? Seems like they had a LOT of years to make changes like that… And not even $4/hr. increase can account for the hammers and toilet seats!!
Cap take what you want from what I said. If it makes you dwelve deeper into the firings by the AG then I have achieved what I set out to do.
You won’t find me defending the repubs when they do something wrong. Ask me about amnesty. You will find me saying that the AG was well within his right to fire those that were let go. No explanation necessary and if I had an employee that was warned in 2005 that his work was subpar and he still hadn’t corrected it by 2006 he/she would be long gone.
Chas my remark was because farmie is constantly saying things like others are just jealous of what she does with her partner. After you have been here a little longer you will see the pattern. And by the way, did they make a new rule while I was on vacation that you had to wait until you were addressed to respond to a post.
Chas post that new rule for me please and I will abide by it.
Thanks.
Republicans now act as if they haven’t been in charge for the last 6 years. If the dem’s are so bad, you had your chance to correct the mistakes. But you did not. You were too busy lining your pockets and scaring the crap out of the public so you could hold power. Sorry reich wingers, you time has passed. Your team fumbled the ball too many times. Now its time for change.
I dont know of any rule of that sort…
However, the BLOG seems to want to make sure there are no robots posting here… to the point of being ad nauseum on the “verify comment” page…
Or Chas you can remind her(Ksgrm) of her own hyprocrisy and the party which she is affiliated and watch her run away. Either way you win.
Ksgrm,A woman should NEVER speak unless spoken to by her man or given permission to speak by her man.
Jst kidding :-> Welcome back
Mike… ummm… we better make sure our team doesnt fumble the ball BACK to them too!!! right??
ChasI think the American public is starting to come around. You bet we better not let our team fumble the ball! We cannont afford another 6 years of the reich wing.
For those annoyed by the captcha pop – it will always pop up if you post a link. You can avoid that by deleting the “http://” portion of the link. It will also pop if you have posted several times in a row, without another poster having entered a post. To avoid that, refresh your screen before you post and you will eliminate some of the pops.
If you post several times in a row without any other activity – you’re going to get the pop – sorry!
By the way, when I posted, I got the pop because the “http://” was in my post.
I will do it again with this post.
Well WS I wondered if you were still hanging out here. From your post you must have been on vacation also. Lets discuss todays topic. If you want to go back a couple of weeks I really have no desire to do that and will move on. My facts are as accurate or more so in most instances than yours and when I have made mistakes I have acknowledged them.
Mike I didn’t know we were checking spelling on the posts. Maybe we could have the Eagle put spell check on here. Feeling a little picked on, huh?
No my party doesn’t hate gays, fetuses, or any of those other things you mentioned. Some in my party might hate those things as some in your party hate Christians, evangelicals, business owners, etc.. You are no more responsible for their actions than I am for the right wing of my party.
Check this out. The republican front runner is a pro-choice man with 3 marriages on his sleeve. Doesn’t this just hack you off but good. Your arguments are sounding so lame but you and Cat can tell each other we are the party of hate until the cows come home but the facts won’t change.
By the way: Algore is a screaming radical who has no moral compass. I did more against global warming in the past two weeks than he has. I now drive a Prius, turn off lights when I leave a room, don’t leave the water running when brushing my teeth, etc.. I am doing something about a problem I’m not sure even exists whereas he isn’t doing anything about a problem he is riding into the hearts and minds of many irrational people who are easily led.
Bet my ‘carbon footprint’ is smaller than his.
Which congress was in charge 10 years ago? Well after 40 years of Demo domination the moral majority was voted in. The problem was they had been out of power for so long they didn’t know how to handle leadership. They even ’shared’ leadership positions with the demos.
That more than anything else lost the last election for them. I see some evidence that this is changing.
Military spending for equipment under ?? was cut by over 40%. (We’re not allowed to mention who was prez when that happened.)
Nominal dollars (inferior way to compare, by the way):
1992 (Cheney)=$286.61996 (Clinton)=$253.2Constant (yr2000) dollars (good way to compare):
1992 (Cheney)=$340.31996 (Clinton)=$275.5
http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/2005/02/excuse_me_the_c.html
Thems the numbers WS, don’t choke on them.
Thanks for the ‘welcome back’ Sol. I did miss those on the blog, or at least most of them and as ‘my man’ would say ‘don’t ever make the mistake of telling her she can’t express her opinion’. After 43 years he knows me well.
“My facts are as accurate or more so in most instances than yours and when I have made mistakes I have acknowledged them.”
I doubt check every fact I post and usually post a link.
Did you acknowledge your “mistake” about you son’s Navy career?
Hmmmmmmmmm……………….
doubt check – double check – works both ways for me…..
My son got out of the Navy in 1994 – he went in in 1984. He spent his first years in A school in Florida, then went to Idaho Falls, Idaho and from there to Pearl Harbor. The last six months were in Bremerton, WA where he was in charge of taking reactors out of nuclear subs.
If this doesn’t clear up your questions then you are just out of luck.
No my party doesn’t hate gays, fetuses, or any of those other things you mentioned. Some in my party might hate those things as some in your party hate Christians, evangelicals, business owners, etc.. You are no more responsible for their actions than I am for the right wing of my party.Posted by: ksgrm | May 21, 2007 at 01:02 PM
Lets look at this closely shall we?1. Your party brings up gay rights at every election. Period.2. Never did I say you hated fetus’. Quite the contrary. You place them above the mothers health. Read closely, I said you are a fetus’ hugger.3. Child touchers(See Mark Foley)4. Adulters (See Dep Sec State Randall Tobias)
I have never said that I hate business owners. I used to be one. I am for cutting the AMT Tax(Republican Issue) and doing more to help small businesses. I am against big business getting tax cuts and preferential treatment. We live in a country where corporations influence policy. Thats a problem!
As for Al Gore, you brought him into this(apparently to let us all know what kind of car you drive). I have never said that Al Gore is right or not. I do not partake in the “Global Warming” threads and do not have a position on the issue.
As far as hating Christians…I don’t hate them. I pity them. The way they treat one another is anything but Christian. Christianity is a religion of tolerance and foregiveness. Not too many churches practice what they preach. And to say those that believe what Al Gore says is like calling the kettle black. If you are a Christian and go to church you are being led too by a radical person. A person that has a motive of getting into your pocket to benefit his cause. Evangelicals such as Jerry Falwell have a special place in hell. Where the fire is a little hotter and purple teletubbies are everywhere.
Please read my posts carefully from this point forward. It will help you before you open your mouth and remove all doubt.
“doubt check – double check – works both ways for me…..” Posted by: WSClark | May 21, 2007 at 01:11 PM
Perhaps it’s your Jewish Heritage WSClark. You should get with Ed Friedemann, he’s real fond of Jewish folks.
But you said he was in the Middle East in October of 2000 when the Cole was attacked on the sub USS Stonewall Jackson – a sub that was actually decommissioned in 1996.
Of course, you called it the USS Samuel Jackson.
OMG Republican… Last week, it was racial inuendo, and sexual inuendo, NOW you go to religious inuendo??? HOW DO YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF, AND YOUR FEEBLE MIND???
Secular Socialism is what the Democrats practice today.
The only Christian Churches the Democrats like are the Black Churches that allow Hillary Clinton to practice her “Southern” accent.
Otherwise they are Osama Obama Muslim lovers and use a double standard on Christian Churches.
Be sure and put your head scarf on women folk if you enter a mosque. Oh and make sure you stay to the back of the men.
Were you trying to make a point, Republican, or just being your usual snotty self?
OK Republican, I have about had it with your attitude as well… Where in the HELL do you get the idea that Obama is a Muslim??? He happens to belong to the same denomination as I do… and it is FAR from being Muslim…. So, look here, fat boy, get your FACTS straight…..
You really shouldn’t use OMG Chas. I think it might offend the Muslims on your use of God in a phrase like that.
I live with myself quite comfortably.
This blog is play for me. I don’t take it too seriously.
“Be sure and put your head scarf on women folk if you enter a mosque.”
You mean like Laura Bush and Condaleeza Rice did?
Oh Chas I didn’t mean to imply you were Muslim. Osama, I mean Obama does sort of dress like and keep his hair style like the Black Muslims of the 1960s. I think he ought to get himself some glasses, plastic frames, then the image would be complete.
ksgrm,
“I did more against global warming in the past two weeks than [Gore] has.”
You actually believe, that during the past two weeks, you have convinced MORE people, and businesses, to fight against GW than Gore did?
That’s great you’ve got a small ‘carbon footprint’, but it needs to be done WORLDWIDE.
“about a problem [Gore] is riding into the hearts and minds of many irrational people who are easily led.”
I don’t believe what Al Gore says because he says it.I believe it because he repeats what the credible, peer-reviewed scientists say.
You’ve labeled the science done by almost 200 Americans, and 100’s of others scientists worldwide as “irrational”.
Please read ALL of their names, at NASA, NOAA, NCAR, MIT, etc in the annex,http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
Then list the credible scientists that disagree with all of the scientists above.
What a racist, ridiculous comment, Republican.
Republican, You Sir, are a royal pain the the A**…. You post on here like you are Mr. Know It All… and You are a NOBODY!!! You cant get facts straight, so you mount mud slinging… and then you want us to stand by you because you what??? “served your country” in the military??? What did you do??? Peel Potatoes??? I cant believe they would have given you a rifle…
Why dont you just either PUT UP, or SHUT UP…. When you are challenged to back up what you say, DO IT!!! instead of skirting around every issue that you are challenged on…
This country cant take much more of the DIVISIVE nature of you and your kind…. But, I guess you dont seem to get that idea either!!!
I wonder what YOUR heritage is??? Moron??? Neanderthal??? Which???
No doubt Carbon Footprint Units will be the standard in the future which we are valued in the future as human beings.
The poor guy in upstate New York that has to burn wood to keep warm in the winter time, will be classified as a Satanist. Or perhaps the pregnant Navajo woman in Arizona with her four young children will be persecuted when she turns her air condition on to keep from fainting from the heat.
No doubt the Carbon Footprint police will arrest them both and make them plant trees to amend for their Carbon sins.
That’s right Chas, I’m an Australopithecus afarensis which came before the Neanderthal.
Our extra strong jaws are useful for chewing on that bull Democrats like to issue out in their nanny stat sponsored social programs.
Well… Yip Yip Yip Yeehaww!! Finally an HONEST answer from Republican!! And I didnt think it was possible!!!
You know, “social programs” are things that The Bible constantly says are things that are top priority… Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, taking care of the poor, widowed, orphans… THESE are the signs of Christian love in action… Things, by the way, that YOU keep putting down, and making fun of, Mr. Republican… Gee, does that mean you are making fun of Jesus too??? Hmmmm…..
Nope – Christian charity is freely given, not sponsored by the state.
I thought being a minister you would know that Chas.
When did you get ordained and by whom? The First Church of Biblical Omissions?
Mike most of your rambling post doesn’t deserve an answer. I was bragging, because my carbon footprint is now smaller than Al’s, a demo leader.
BTW, Clark, it doesnt seem to matter any if I hit refresh before I post, or if somebody else posts between mine… I still get that pop thing… This is the first day I have had this nuisance… Thanks for the tip anyway!!
I KNOW what Christian Charity is, idiot… WHY do you think its wrong for the State to emulate the Church on social issues??? I thought YOUR Party — after all — is the one who supports faith based initiatives…. or is that only when the faith supports the Party??? LOL
ksgrm,
“I was bragging, because my carbon footprint is now smaller than Al’s, a demo leader.”
“Bet my ‘carbon footprint’ is smaller than [Gore's].”
you lose, unless yours is LESS than zero. Are YOU buying offsets?
Gore advocates (and practices) calculating your carbon footprint, reducing it as much as possible, and then purchasing offsets to drop it to zero.
Chase calls idiots but a christian is something to do alone adn not as a group. charity is in the heart not the goverment.
Republican says, “I’m an Australopithecus afarensis.”
Which is really a coincidence, because JM-Uncle William-Eier said he was a “sasquatch” right before he didn’t show up to where I had agreed to meet him.
He also says,”This blog is play for me. I don’t take it too seriously.”
Which I can personally vouch for him on that . . . he doesn’t take FACTS too seriously. He’ll come up with the damnest “personal experiences” (old war wounds ‘popping open’ for instance, relatives with Down’s AND autism etc.) just to one-up the other post-ers around here.
Thank goodness, he’s on their side . . .
Like I said in my previous post KSGRM. Learn to read! I pointed out that you were bragging on your Prius. I am sorry that you don’t like me. Its very reich wing of you to take a single sentence and tear it apart to discredit the rest of the argument. And I have a feeling that the only thing about you that is small is your carbon footprint.
“WHY do you think its wrong for the State to emulate the Church on social issues??? ”
Because it is forced, and generally inefficient. Forced giving is not giving, it is stealing, is it not? Okay, I am being a bit sarcstic there, but forced giving is not giving.
Cosmos,
What does an offset ACTUALLY do to reduce your Carbon footprint?
LJThat would be true if the State actually gave. I agree State charity is often inefficient, however to say the State does not emulate the Church is not true. What policies of the right are not Church endorsed? This is the party of Falwell afterall.
LJThat would be true if the State actually gave. I agree State charity is often inefficient, however to say the State does not emulate the Church is not true. What policies of the right are not Church endorsed? This is the party of Falwell afterall.
Senate MAJORITY Leader Reid has figured out a way to quash Bush’s recess appointments.
Check it out:
Bush’s Summer Hires TargetedSenate Majority Leader Harry Reid has a little trick up his sleeve that could spell an end to President Bush’s devilish recess appointments of controversial figures like former United Nations Ambassador John Bolton. We hear that over the long August vacation, when those types of summer hires are made, Reid will call the Senate into session just long enough to force the prez to send his nominees who need confirmation to the chamber. The talk is he will hold a quickie “pro forma” session every 10 days, tapping a local senator to run the hall. Senate workers and Republicans are miffed, but Reid is proving that he’s the new sheriff in town.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/washingtonwhispers/070520/bushs_summer_hires_targeted.htm?s_cid=rss:site1
LJThat would be true if the State actually gave. I agree State charity is often inefficient, however to say the State does not emulate the Church is not true. What policies of the right are not Church endorsed? This is the party of Falwell afterall.
LJThat would be true if the State actually gave. I agree State charity is often inefficient, however to say the State does not emulate the Church is not true. What policies of the right are not Church endorsed? This is the party of Falwell afterall.
LJThat would be true if the State actually gave. I agree State charity is often inefficient, however to say the State does not emulate the Church is not true. What policies of the right are not Church endorsed? This is the party of Falwell afterall.
Falwell may have been a Republican, but there are many Republicans (and Christians for that matter) that thought not so highly of him WHich policies and which CHurch? There are as many differences in christian churches as there are in anything else. For instance, the Methodists (or a large number, endorse credentialling gays pastors, as does the United Church of Christ (I think it’s called). The baptists do not
Mike-Trying to prove a point by multiple posts? Big deal. saying it over and over again makes nothing but the sound of a broken record
Republican,
“Or perhaps the pregnant Navajo woman in Arizona with her four young children will be persecuted when she turns her air condition on to keep from fainting from the heat.”
Too bad Republican’s hatred of the U.N. and CO2 issues blinds him to reality.
Both PV and wind…’Using Renewable Energy on Native American Lands’http://www.eere.energy.gov/tribalenergy/report_native_lands.cfm
http://www.sandia.gov/wind/WPA.htm“Since there are enormous wind resources on native lands, yet no significant wind developments to date, WPA has initiated a program aimed at educating tribes that have wind resources and that are interested in developing them for their own use and/or power export.”
There is no energy savings with carbon footprint.
It is a measure of how much CO2 is released only.
If you are a farmer, your CO2 footprint will become huge when you turnover the soil. Also, with storage of crops.
Sorry about the dreaded quadruple post. My comp freaked out.
Nathan,
Offsets that build renewable energy sources reduce the CO2 emissions from coal or nat gas plants.
Offsets that fund reforestation projects in rainforests increase the CO2 sink.
Happens. Not a problem.
Except that forestation cause even more CO2 release when the roots and decayed matter around them is released.
One of the reasons for CO2 that is never accounted for is the huge increase of agriculture in modern times. The soils and decaying matter in farmlands contribute heavily to CO2 increases.
That, of course is never discussed by Cosmos and the All Night U.N. GW Alarmists.
new democrat runing for president is bill richardson from new mexico just anounced.
RepublicanLet’s say for arguments sake that GW is 50/50 on whether its happening or not. What is wrong with erring on the side of caution? Why not put the controls in place just to be sure? Why do you hate the enviroment so much? If your side is wrong then our children and grandchildren will reap the whirlwind. I don’t understand why we wouldn’t be cautious if the technology is there.
Cosmos I just can’t win with you can I. Screech Al can say anything and you fall in lock step behind him. Like lambs to the slaughter. Carbon offsets are a scam. He sell them and makes money off them. Have you ever heard of a pyramid scheme.
I planted 5 new trees this years does that count as reforestation?
This is exactly why the global warming argument is losing steam. The leaders such as Algore and Cheryl Crow have 0 credibility.
We common folks are being good to the earth, using its resources dilegently, replacing as many of those resources that we use as much as possible – and then we get some bogus argument from Screech Al who squanders fuel and electricity at an alarming rate but saves himself from ridicule by ‘buying carbon offsets’ – the same ones he sells to the lambs following him.
For god’s sake germie, for the last time. It’s SHERYL Crow.
No spell check over at freeperville?
Mike caution and hysteria are miles apart. We can be good users of the earth without the hysteria preached at us by Screech Al. Read the book he wrote 10 years ago. In it he said the earth would be lucky to survive 10 more years. He was wrong. Wasn’t even close.
I and many others I know who are still unsure on global warming are very good stewards of the earth and its resources.
That doesn’t mean we are wrong about global warming – it simply means that we don’t think it is a man made thing and it can’t be stopped by man. We think more of the evidence supports climate change than GW.
You guys treat it as a religion and worship at the altar of the GW gods.
“…a christian is something to do alone adn not as a group.” (AaronS)
Aaron, that would sure be a surprise to the Apostle Paul… He was always encouraging “congregations”(plural)to contribute to the “needs of the saints” Check your New Testament, ok??
She is not a favorite of mine and therefore the correct spelling of her name isn’t a top priority of mine. Thanks for helping me out with this. I’ll do the same for you next time.
Thanks
Hmmm… Read what some of the Reich Wing Christians said about the earth lasting, even some of them more than 20 years ago… It hasnt happened yet either… BUT, they still keep on preaching their fear mongering…
Maybe Gore is a bit anxious… but… to saw GW is not caused at ALL by humans is a bit of a stretch… And many of the attempts to clean up the atmosphere have been quite successful, such as in CA, and in the rust belt, and steel mill country… We CAN do better…
And why NOT do better?? When God tells mankind to have “dominion” over the earth, that doesnt mean rape and pillage the earth… it means “take care of it”
Fact check, spell check, wingnut check, get e’m. Use ‘em.
Here’s a linky regarding the bible, patriarchy and the law. Guaranteed to piss off the tighty righties, but not to worry.
They wont click.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103×282723
Chas the bible you quote tells us not ‘to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing’. To many this means that we can contribute to the charity of our choice and the gov doesn’t get to pick them for us. If we want to entertain Paul and his fellow ministers we do it in secret and not in the public square.
And yes before the libs jump on it – I do take the tax break for charitable contributions. Now you can all tell me that you never do and we will have a collective sigh and move on.
LJ — To my knowledge, the United Methodists are not endorsing, or credentialing gay clergy as of yet… The only ones I know of for certain, are the UCC, the Episcopalians, and the Unitarian/Universalist, and Reform Judaism… abd possibly the Disciples of Christ…but not certain on that one…
ksgrm,
Do me a favor. Please read ALL of the names, at NASA, NOAA, NCAR, MIT, etc in the annex,http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
Then list the credible scientists, on your side, that disagree with all of the scientists above.
Maybe Gore is a bit anxious… but… to saw GW is not caused at ALL by humans is a bit of a stretch…
Posted by: Chas. | May 21, 2007 at 03:24 PM
farmie I doubt if Chas meant to ’saw’ GW. If you have appointed yourself as the spellchecker you need to do the job right.
Chas I am only pointing this out so others will see how stupid critiquing others posts is – especially someone like farmie who has trouble with complete sentences that don’t contain the word heheheheheh.
Farmie the day I need your help with the Bible I’ll let you know. That day hasn’t came yet. That lovefest you have with the demoug is a little obsessive. Maybe counciling is in order.
Thanks anyhow.
ChasYou are correct about the methodist church as a whole, but there have been larger numbers of churches endorsing such a plan. Even with denomminations, there is disagreement about this. That was really my point. I did not intend it to be a definitive list of those who do and those who don’t. Sorry for the confusion
More importantly, Ksgrmm JESUS says to give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God… Neither Church nor State ALONE can care for all of the social needs of Society… Therefore, there is a need for BOTH… This nation has always said that it should take responsibility for its citizens in some way or another… Once it might have been State run orphanages and “poor farms” Today, it is food stamps, and AFDC… we call it by different names… the goal is the same…
The REASON for tax deductible charitable contributions, is so those who give to charitable organizations will not be TAXED for that portion given to those groups… And those who give to such groups SHOULD have deductions for such contributions..
As for the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, thats a nice try, but you have taken the reference completely OUT of context…
And again… Republican proves that his hatred of the U.N. blinds him to reality, facts, and science.
He cannot understand the difference between undisturbed rainforests and “agriculture”.
And Republican lies about what scientists say about land use.
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11638“Disturbances to the land – through deforestation and agriculture, for instance – also contribute roughly 5.9 Gt per year.”
Cosmos we have gone the route of you show me yours and I will show you mine. It didn’t change anyone’s mind then and it won’t now. I have read many credible scientist that disagree with your position and – no I will not furnish their names so you can spend time telling why they aren’t credible.
Surfice to say, I won’t sabotage the earth but I will not let the fearmongers destroy our economy with their dire threats and doom and gloom predictions if I can help it.
Republican… ALL living plants contribute OXYGEN to the atmosphere… and ABSORB CO2 FROM the atmosphere… Any elementary biology text book will tell you that… Any dead biolgical refuse will throw off a percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere… Also, see any elementary biology textbook… The idea of re-forestation is to replenish what is harvested from the use of trees… and other vegetation… So as to maintain some kind of balance in the ecosphere…
Chas, this explanation is exactly how I have always had it explained to me. Maybe you are reading that New World Liberal bible where everything has different meanings.
“This originates from the Bible, Matthew 6:3 (King James Version):
But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth.
That meaning alluded to the wisdom of not giving oneself credit for providing charity to others – just give and forget about it. That view was reiterated by Henry Thoreau in his Walden; or life in the woods, 1854:”
I pay my taxes so the gov can build and maintain the infrastructure of our great nation – not so they can find their favorite liberal causes to sponsor.
ksgrm,
“and – no I will not furnish their names so you can spend time telling why they aren’t credible.”
No… you don’t furnish their names because:
1) There are only a few of them.2) The much larger # of peer-reviewed scientists worldwide say those few are not credible. Their opinions, not mine, are what matter.
ksgrm: “Read the book he wrote 10 years ago. In it he said the earth would be lucky to survive 10 more years. He was wrong. Wasn’t even close.”
‘Earth in the Balance’ was published 15 years ago.
Give the page #(s) where he claimed the earth would be lucky to survive 10 more years — but you cannot, because you lied.
Prove his predictions were wrong.Earth’s climate IS warming due to human-added GHG’s. Japan will be producing a hydrogen fuel-cell car in a few years.
Question please.I have heard plenty of calls for reductions in usage of fossil fuelsfor power plants. I have heard plenty of calls against ethanol plants, against nuclear energy, and against hydrolelectric power.These were not always argued agains by the same people, so I understand. And please, I am not arguing against or for Global warming. My question is this:What form of elecrical generation is acceptable, how large would the plant be necessary to meet the upcoming needs, and how much would be necessary to reduce fossil fuel consumption by even 20%
Republican,
“One of the reasons for CO2 that is never accounted for is the huge increase of agriculture in modern times. The soils and decaying matter in farmlands contribute heavily to CO2 increases.
That, of course is never discussed by Cosmos and the All Night U.N. GW Alarmists.”—
Republican falsely claims that the IPCC “never discussed” this,http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.htmlChapter 7 (emphasis added)”Emissions of CO2 (Figure 1a) from fossil fuel combustion, with contributions from cement manufacture, are responsible for more than 75% of the increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration since pre-industrial times.
The remainder of the increase comes from LAND USE changes dominated by DEFORESTATION (and associated biomass BURNING) with contributions from changing AGRICULTURAL practices. All these increases are caused by HUMAN activity. The natural carbon cycle cannot explain the observed atmospheric increase of 3.2 to 4.1 GtC yr–1 in the form of CO2 over the last 25 years.”
See also Table 7.1, ‘7.3.2.1.2 Land use change’, etc.
Republican, do you enjoy proving your ignorance by making false claims?
ksgrm: “Read the book he wrote 10 years ago. In it he said the earth would be lucky to survive 10 more years. He was wrong. Wasn’t even close.”
Cosmos, don’t expect an answer, unless it is some mumbo-jumbo about somebody that knew somebody that heard of somebody that said…..
Remember, KSGrm said that her son KNEW that al Qaeda was behind the attack on the Cole because he was there on the good ship USS Samuel Jackson in October of 2000, stationed in the Gulf.
Of course, her son left the Navy SIX years before that and the USS STONEWALL Jackson was decommissioned FOUR years earlier, in 1996.
Like most right wingers, she doesn’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Cosmos likes to ignore the fact that soil releases 300 times more co2 than all fossil fuels combined.
He wants to blame your SUV for Global Warming.
He also ignores the warmer it gets the more CO2 that is released from soils.
Cosmos and his alarmist buddies at the UN that arable soil is a larger contributor of co2, methane and nitrogen than his anthropogenic gases.
Cosmos ignores the fact that temperature rise increase CO2 release from soils which is huge compared to fossil fuels.
He has no measurements of it and only puts out serendipity percentages out like “Emissions of CO2 (Figure 1a) from fossil fuel combustion, with contributions from cement manufacture, are responsible for more than 75% of the increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration since pre-industrial times.”
That’s pretty laughable Cosmos, considering anthropogenic CO2 is only 0.12 percent of all CO2 released.
Actually, Ksgrm I prefer my translations from the GREEK… But, you are still taking that passage severely out of context… Giving Alms, is NOT a charity giving to the poor, in the Old Testament, OR in the New Testament… It is a gift to the Temple (government) to be dealt out to the NEEDY… REMEMBER, the Temple WAS the State at that time period… And that is true regardless if it is King James, which is seriously outdated, or a newer translation…
And WHY pray tell, would Thoreau, who was a Liberal in his time, make a statement of that sort about Liberal causes???
Not only that, KsGrm… like the good, well-trained reich winger that you are, you pick on ONE line of what I said, to attempt to discredit social program spending in the federal budget… You people are unbelievable!!! It’s a wonder that ANYbody believes this drivel…
LJ… you might check on the use of wind generated electricity… and I dont care if Massachussetts doesnt like it on Cape Cod… ALSO, check out something called Solar Thermal power generation, where water is heated from giant solar panels, which in turn turns steam turbines, to produce electricity… It is highly efficient… and of course, nuclear power plants are a great alternative to fossil fuels, if our brilliant engineering contractors could just build them without trying to cut costs, and thus make them dangerous…
Republican, your logic is most entertaining, if it wasnt so sad… Your conclusions of what you have read somewhere, are ROFLMAO at the least!!!
Just a quote from the NOAA website:
Individuals skeptical about the reality of global warming have correctly noted that, in terms of direct trapping of outgoing infrared radiation, water vapor is by far the dominant greenhouse gas on earth. Since water vapor dominates the current radiative balance, how can it be that CO2 is anything other than a minor contributor to earth’s absorption of infrared radiation? Part of the answer comes from the well-known modeling result from infrared spectroscopy that net planetary radiative forcing changes roughly linearly in response to logarithmic changes in CO2 .3 Thus, a quadrupling of CO2 gives another roughly 1°C direct warming over the direct 1°C warming for a CO2 doubling, valid for the extreme assumption that water vapor mixing ratios4 and clouds do not change. Interestingly, this approximate relationship also holds for a large extended range as CO2 is decreased.
It is thus hard to escape the conclusion that CO2 provides a measurable direct addition to the atmospheric trapping of infrared radiation leaving the surface of our planet. However, a simple comparison of the relative greenhouse efficiencies of water vapor and CO2 quickly becomes problematic because water vapor enters the climate system mostly as a “feedback” gas. All models and observations currently indicate that as climate warms or cools, to a pretty good approximation, the observed and calculated global-mean relative humidity of water vapor remains roughly constant as the climate changes, whereas its mixing ratio does not.5 Thus, as climate warms (cools), the holding capacity of atmospheric water vapor increases (decreases) exponentially. This is a powerful water vapor positive feedback mechanism- that is, a process that acts to amplify the original warming caused by increasing CO2 levels. With this major positive feedback, the modeled “climate sensitivity” 6 increases by about a factor of three, to roughly 3°C. Lindzen (3) hypothesized that this water vapor feedback effect could actually be negative in the upper troposphere. If this were the case, then the water vapor positive feedback amplifying effect would be roughly one third to one half less than that currently projected. A conceptual difficulty with making this hypothesis work is that the relative humidity of the upper troposphere must then get sharply and progressively lower as the lower troposphere warms up and moistens in response to the added infrared absorbers. Conversely, the relative humidity of the upper troposphere must get progressively higher if something were acting to cool the planet. In effect, this hypothesis states that the dynamical behavior of the atmosphere would change strongly in response to altered infrared absorbers (see footnote 4). Currently, observational evidence remains generally consistent with the modeling results that project a strong positive water vapor mixing ratio feedback under approximate constancy of relative humidity as the climate changes (4, 5). The quality of water vapor data in the upper troposphere, however, is not particularly good, and none of the current observational tests can definitively address the issue at hand- how the water vapor feedback might work a century from now.
The basic story of human-induced greenhouse warming remains simple. Increased infrared absorptivity due to increasing CO2 and other trace gases produces a net heating effect on the earth’s surface, due mainly to increased downward infrared radiation. The effect is not dissimilar to the suppression of nighttime cooling when there is cloud cover or a very humid weather pattern. The positive feedback effect of water vapor acts to amplify the warming effect, both locally and globally.
Might be useful if one plans on dissing the conclusions of the ICPCC (THE body of world experts on ALL aspects of global warming) to actually understand the complexities of the science behind it.
A couple of verses that come to mind as I read the posts, are “Cast not thy pearls before swine,” and “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s – render unto God, that which is God’s.”
Does charity, then, lie in the realm of God, or of Caesar?
If salvation is a personal thing – then so are the instructions for each of us to help those in need.
I know I only showed up one day at Greensburg to cook, but I spent a lot more than that paying the workers to run the front-end loaders.
But that’s what I feel I’m supposed to do. I don’t want to contribute to some so-called social program that uses my money in an anonymous way that I never see. I want to direct my charity where I feel it does the most good.
As far as casting pearls before swine goes, giving folks handouts time after time after time only further encourages them to feel they are somehow ‘entitled’ to the money others generate.
And what happens in the long run? They lose their pride, and they become angry, striking out at society.
Let’s get rid of the nanny-state and put charity back where it belongs – in the heart of the giver.
Remember, Jesus makes a clear distinction between God and Caesar.
Choose whom you will serve.
A couple of verses that come to mind as I read the posts, are “Cast not thy pearls before swine,” and “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s – render unto God, that which is God’s.”
Does charity, then, lie in the realm of God, or of Caesar?
If salvation is a personal thing – then so are the instructions for each of us to help those in need.
I know I only showed up one day at Greensburg to cook, but I spent a lot more than that paying the workers to run the front-end loaders.
But that’s what I feel I’m supposed to do. I don’t want to contribute to some so-called social program that uses my money in an anonymous way that I never see. I want to direct my charity where I feel it does the most good.
As far as casting pearls before swine goes, giving folks handouts time after time after time only further encourages them to feel they are somehow ‘entitled’ to the money others generate.
And what happens in the long run? They lose their pride, and they become angry, striking out at society.
Let’s get rid of the nanny-state and put charity back where it belongs – in the heart of the giver.
Remember, Jesus makes a clear distinction between God and Caesar.
Choose whom you will serve.
Sorry for double post. I had no idea it even happened.
Weird.
Republican,
“He has no measurements of it and only puts out serendipity percentages out like …”
Numbers: “See also Table 7.1, ‘7.3.2.1.2 Land use change’, etc.”
Republican: “That’s pretty laughable Cosmos, considering anthropogenic CO2 is only 0.12 percent of all CO2 released.”
You seem to have misqoted the inaccurate claim made by retired meteorologist Augie Auer.
‘You, too, can be a leading climate scientist’http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/05/you_too_can_be_a_leading_clima.php
Thank you once again for (etc)…
Hey Clark,
Not to be picky, but I think she was decommissioned in ‘95. I knew the COB and he retired in ‘95 after the decom.
Hank
Efforts to curb global warming by controlling anthropogenic green house gas emission is just good policy.
Regardless of the relative contributions of any one process to the overall picture, it makes sense to try to control those factors which are under our control, at least to an extent, given the severity of the consequences predicted for global mean temperature rise.
If the lookout on the Titanic had seen the iceberg sooner, and if the captain had been informed, then there is the possibility that the disaster could have been averted…one can’t be certain that this would have been the case, but it’s a pretty safe bet.
You are correct, Mr. Price. She (the USS Stonewall Jackson) was decommissioned on Feb 9, 1995 and removed from the Naval register after dismantling on Oct 13, 1995, at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard.
Republican,
“Cosmos likes to ignore the fact that soil releases 300 times more co2 than all fossil fuels combined.”
Is Republican misquoting this, or a similar source?
‘Soil may spoil UK’s climate efforts’http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7964“Soils are a vitally important sink for carbon dioxide – twice as much carbon is wrapped up in soils as in Earth’s vegetation or atmosphere. It is estimated that they STORE 300 times the amount of carbon dioxide now released annually by burning fossil fuels.”
Another “natural” positive GW feedback, and ANOTHER reason humans need to cut GHG emissions.
Actually no Cosmos, it was from a Universities Agricultural Science Research Program Website.
The amount of CO2 release from the ground is huge compared to anthropogenic CO2.
Yes it is a natural feedback and a huge one.
The cause of GW is most likely due to natural causes, not the Global Alarmist views.
If I had to bet on the two sources causing GW, I would pick natural.
The increase of agricultural lands have become huge in 20th century and at a more rapid rate than man made co2.
Also the type of agricultural products matters. Calcium Carbonates interacting with bacteria vary from species to species. Heck even methane from plants which is far greater in GW than CO2 is released mostly all by natural causes.
All of which Cosmos and his UN buddies leave out in their “papers.”
You know WS you are indeed a sorry human specimen. But unfortunately you are part of this blog. My son is off limits to you from now on. I said he was in Iraq waters in 1991. YOU said the media said that no one knew who bombed the Cole when ole Bill was screwing around in the Oval office. I said the media doesn’t know everything the military know.
Obviously unlike you I have never taken hallucinogenic drugs so my mind is clear. Maybe you need to get off your sorry behind and do something productive instead laying around all day trying to confuse an entire thread with your sorry logic. As in no logic at all. Go argue with yourself. At least my son and husband were in the Navy. Can you say as much?
I tried today to treat you as I would any other human being. I can see I was much too gracious.
Here is what you actually said, KSGrm….
~snip~ I’m not sure what the objection was to me saying my son was in the gulf during/after the USS Cole attack. You don’t even know him and you are attacking his credibility. He was on the USS Samuel Jackson. A nuclear sub which was redesigned to carry the Navy Seals.~snip~Posted by: ksgrm | February 06, 2007 at 05:01 PM
Now, who is being gracious?
You flat out lied – but you refuse to admit it.
You have zero credibility after that sorry attempt at deception.
You brought your son up and then lied about him. I did not bring him up. In fact, I didn’t even know that you had a son that had served in the Navy.
As for my service – 202 in the Draft Lottery in 1971.
You know WS if I said something in error forgive me. I gave you all the pertinent dates concerning his naval service. You attacked my son when it was his confused mother who made a statement in error. Your boy Bill allowed the Cole to be attacked and instead of blaming him for it you tried to put blame on me and my son. What a crock.
What’s with you anyway. As for knowing what sub he was on, we parents weren’t allowed to know even that until he left the military. The only info we could get was looking at Janes Book of Ships.
Get a life. So did you serve in the military or not? From your statement I could draw many conclusions.
I have had it with your personal attacks. You have nothing to add to a conversation so you set around attacking what others post. If I give an opinion that is wrong because I’m not a bleeding heart liberal. If I talk about my sons naval service you pick, pick, pick at it.
Educate yourself so you can contribute something worthwhile.
“You attacked my son when it was his confused mother who made a statement in error.”
I stated that Clinton did not attack al Qaeda after the Cole incident because the sponsors of the attack were unknown, at that point. You stated that your son was in the Gulf in October of 2000 and he KNEW that it was al Qaeda. along with all the other sailors.
You attacked Clinton and used your son’s service as justification.
I did the research and PROVED you wrong.
Now, you attack me and justify your comments because they were “opinion?”
You lied.
That is a fact.
Until you admit that you lied, I will give you no quarter, just like the right wing gives me no quarter.
The difference is – I do not lie – you do.
So ‘fess up, liar, or forever surrender your credibility.
Oh, and KSGrm, copy and paste where I blamed YOU and YOURSON FOR THE ATTACK ON THE USS COLE.
I dare you.
Go ahead.
I will be waiting.
Liar.
The cuts in military size and spending began under Bush I, after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Where are the attacks on Pappy Bush?
Posted by: WSClark | May 08, 2007 at 02:44 PM
This is an absolute falsehood. Not even close to the truth. I am leaving for a meeting and you can go look at the DoD numbers or at an earlier post I put in today which contains these numbers.
I have a life other that this blog and have a meeting to attend. Have fun stumbling over your own facts.
Would this mean you are a liar?
By the way I don’t need your quarter. I have my own.
One other blatant lie you have told over and over is what race you really are. When I first came on you were a green eyed black man, then you became German, then Irish, then native American. Then adopted and had no heritage.
Were these lies. Oh no. Which were lies?
Explain your lies about Clinton and the Cole, KSGrm, or surrender your what little credibility you have.
You started the issue with your lies, now back up your claims or admit you lied.
And I know that the first cuts in military spending began with GHWB, so I will have a link in a matter of minutes.
And you will have a response to my accusation when?
For starters…… by the way, MOST people know that Federal budgets are proposed YEARS in advance, and that the first few years after a president first takes office are pretty well cast in stone.
But anyway, KSGrm, check these out…
From August 2000
Post-Cold War Defense Spending Cuts: A Bipartisan Decision
http://www.csbaonline.org/4Publications/Archive/H.20000831.Post-Cold_War_Defe/H.20000831.Post-Cold_War_Defe.htm
PENTAGON MYTHS AND GLOBAL REALITIES:THE 1993 MILITARY BUDGET
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dludden/USmilitarybudget02.htm
“One other blatant lie you have told over and over is what race you really are. When I first came on you were a green eyed black man, then you became German, then Irish, then native American. Then adopted and had no heritage.”
Copy and paste where I said that I am a green eyed black man, KSGrm.
This is just another lie from you.
I am as multi-cultural as just about any human can be.
My paternal grandfather was a German Jew.
My paternal grandmother was Norwegian.
My maternal grandmother was Cherokee and English.
My maternal grandfather was Irish and African American.
I was adopted in 1962 in Detroit.
I was abandoned by my paternal grandparents illegally when I was six years old, in 1958.
Any questions?
If you claim that I have said anything different, it is up to you to copy and paste the post, otherwise shut up and admit that you are a liar.
WSC – which location Cherokee? The US recognizes two bands – eastern (N Carolina) and western (Oklahoma). There is a third group (renegade Tennessee, never on a reservation). I am of the renegade group.
Just curious.
Oh brother WSClark, no one gives a crap about your ancestry.
You know Clarkie, I understand why you were divorced three times, you can’t let things go and move on.
And probably why the divorces occurred was all those beatings your wives took when they didn’t agree with your “my talking is more important than your talking.”
I’ve already explained it to you Clarkie about the Clinton cuts into the military…
Bush I cut the Cold War and Gulf War military. That’s all fine and well.
What Clinton did was dispicable, he cut down to the bone, leaving a crippled military that already had been cut. He also cut intelligence budgets, leaving crippled departments as well.
You know Clarkie, everytime KSGRM logs on, you don’t have to keep bringing this tired old crap up.
Are you going to beat her too?
You have the mentality to do it, that’s for sure.
Maybe you wouldn’t be so angry if you hadn’t lied on your taxes all those years.
What else have you lied about WSClark? Does it get harder each day to live your fictious life that you have made up?
Tell everyone who you are, a short extremely fat guy with a goatee who has pretend girlfriends.
Go back to Fister land WSClark, you’re a pathetic human being.
That is your style isn’t it Clarkie, tuck your tail and run.
Well, Repuke, here is a post from KSGrm…..
“One other blatant lie you have told over and over is what race you really are.”
So, Repuke, obviously SOMEONE is giving me crap about my ancestry.
And, unlike you Repuke, I have been married and divorced TWICE, not three times, and I got custody of my children both times.
And Repuke….
“Maybe you wouldn’t be so angry if you hadn’t lied on your taxes all those years.”
I know that you pull a lot of stuff out of your ass, but where did you get this one?
And this one…….
“Tell everyone who you are, a short extremely fat guy with a goatee who has pretend girlfriends.”
I am about five foot nine-ten and two hundred pounds. How does that make me short (the average for my age is the same) and extremely fat (my weight is also normal for my age.)
As for girlfriends – there are a number of them. Unlike you, I lost my virginity about forty years ago.
I understand that you are still looking for someone to take your cherry.
Ben, my Cherokee ancestors came from Eastern Kentucky, in the vicinity of Redbird (Beverly), KY. My understanding is that they were Eastern Band Cherokee that refuse to succumb to the Trail of Tears march and hid in the Appalachian Mountains.
From what I have researched, we must be from the same band of renegades.
Geez, Clark, these people just dont quit…You have quite a pedigree… We should compare notes sometime… including that Cherokee part…
I think I am part of that renegade Tennessee bunch myself… about 3/8 worth…
Hang in there Clark… These kind of people usually get theirs in the long run… And I think these here arent any different…
Bigotry ONLY breeds various forms of death/disease/hatred…. Karma has a strange way of working out…
Well, all, been an interesting day… Time to say Good Nite, and Good luck!!!
That’s what it sounds like WSC. East Tennessee for me. Funny – also part Irish. ORANGE!
Wanna take a BIG chance with your life? Wear orange on St Patrick’s Day and go into a bar in Chicago! Or Boston!
Yeah okay Clarkie, continue to spew your cyber image, the one you make up for everyone to see.
The multinational Jew-Black-Native American-Irish-Norwegian blah blah blah blah blah who claims heritage with each one. Why he can go N.A. tribal dancing right now during chunnkah and sing rap like the Detroit Gangster rock star he is.
rolls eyes…
And KSGRM is correct about your race claiming…
If you fill out a Census form they don’t give you a choice for heritage, they give you a choice for race.
How about stop claiming to be every race in the universe and using them in a whipping boy status when someone challenges you on an issue. Clarkie the perpetual victim bully. He’ll cry like he is wounded, then beat you like he beat his wives.
You and the Capn are cut out of the same mould, keep bringing the tired old stuff no one gives a crap about, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
You have been proven wrong about the Clinton cuts by me, so get over it. I was actually in the military and knew about these cuts and how it affected everyone. I actually had my flight crew do without gear and supplies because of the cuts. We couldn’t fly our aircraft for training anymore.
Stop speaking out of your ass Clarkie, you don’t have a clue how severely the cuts dug into the military when Clinton made them.
You have been proven wrong, admit it and move on.
Too weird, Ben!!!!
Grandpa was from far NE Tennessee, migrating pre-birth with family in the 1890’s (Grandpa was born in 1900.)
Grandpa’s family was originally Anderson, but he/they were informally adopted by the Johnson’s in the early 1900’s.
Grandma was born in 1910, but my great-grandfather was a Cherokee mixed breed that was born in Beverly, Kentucky in the 1870’s.
Funny stuff – small world.
“And KSGRM is correct about your race claiming…”
Copy and paste or admit you are a liar.
Post it or shut up.
Easy, right?
“If you fill out a Census form they don’t give you a choice for heritage, they give you a choice for race.”
Which is why many of us are leaving it blank.
I know many people who are “Heinz 57″ American. A real common mix is Euro-African-NativeAmerican.
“Does it get harder each day to live your fictious life that you have made up?”
So what is fictious about my life Repuke?
Hmmmmmmm………..??????
You are the never-married virgin, not me, so why are you trying to play as a playa?
The difference Mary is that WSClark uses segments of his Heinz 57 background as a designated whipping boy when he is losing an argument.
He does what he always has done, attack the person and beat them over the head over and over again with some statement they have made long ago. Capn America does the same things and both distort the view out of context, especially in threads where there is a topic and their rants have nothing to do with the topic.
I am right along with KSGRM WSClark about your race claiming.
You love to play the victim and just when they get close enough, you go into attack dog mode.
What a pathetic maroon.
Republican,
“Actually no Cosmos, it was from a Universities Agricultural Science Research Program Website.”
Human fossil fuel use emits about 26 GtCO2 per year.
Post the University website that claims soil releases 7,800 GtCo2 per year. Or admit that you’re a liar.
Republican: “The increase of agricultural lands have become huge in 20th century and at a more rapid rate than man made co2.”
So when HUMANS clear-cut old-growth forests, burn off the brush, and use plows, etc — Republican considers it “natural”, NOT “man made co2″? He’s completely irrational.
“I am right along with KSGRM WSClark about your race claiming.”
Copy and paste, Repuke. Easy. Show everyone where I have used my ethic heritage to support any argument.
Go ahead.
Since you are so sure of it, it should be easy to find an example, right?
Where is your back up?
And, by the way, are you okay with the lies that KSGrm told about her son’s service in the Navy? The service that ended SIX years before the Cole incident?
Go ahead – defend that statement.
Yeah Cosmos, you always point the finger at fossil fuels.
Are you and your UN Goose Steppers going to tax farmers out of business for emitting a substance that occurs naturally?
Wake up America! Cosmos and those of his ilk want to starve you and tax you out of existence!
Wow, use plows eh Cosmos?
I don’t think I need to comment any further on that statement. Cosmos and his ilk are the enemy of the American farmer.
And Cosmos calls me irrational..lmao
Naw Clarkie I don’t have to defend anyone elses statement since I wasn’t there at the time. Perhaps she made a mistake on location and time, so what…
The Navy is pretty much the same as the Air Force on having home bases. One can also be still be assigned to a ship or aircraft, even though it is a hanger getting maintenance or going to the graveyard at Davis-Monthan. You don’t get re-assigned until the orders come through.
And please WSClark, all you have to go back to any of our discussion to show your pathetic attempt to claim your Jewishness is the primary force in your life.
Even though your Grandfather turned away from the Jewish faith, you latch on to it. You have never practiced the Jewish faith or been indoctrinated in it. Yet you claim it like some Jewish gene has been passed on to you…pathetic.
And proving it? You can go prove that you never made such statements by going back and searching for yourself that you indeed have.
Everyone has seen it, several times.
Not once have I claimed to be a virgin Clark. This came out of one of your earlier posts. Now you use it as a fact, even though you don’t have a clue.
That’s what you do Clarkie, distort the reality of situation by spinning it so you can get your insult points in.
Go back to Fister land and get your kumbaya points in.
Oh..that’s right, you couldn’t stand being civil and honest for every long, so you had to come back to the WE Blog, so you could play victim and bully. That way you think you fooled the Blog owner of the Wichita Voice.
Guess what Clarkie, you didn’t fool him, he’s knows exactly what you are because he reads the blog here.
Republican,
I’ll assume that you lied about soil releasing 300 times more CO2 than human’s fossil fuel use.
“discussion to show your pathetic attempt to claim your Jewishness is the primary force in your life.”
Not even close, Repuke. I hardly ever claim my Jewish heritage as being important to me, since I am a active supporter of a Palestinian State, but think what you may.
My Jewishness is just a part of me, but you are the one that seems to think that it is important to call me a Heebie.
In point of fact, my Jewish grandfather had no use for me at the age of six, because I was a Southern Boy, devoid of value, and so he and my paternal grandmother dumped me on the Lutheran Social Services.
As for your virginity – not my problem and I can’t help you with it – but I will chip in a buck or two if you are taking a collection for a hooker.
Well, maybe I will kick in fifty cent.
IT’S A JOKE
At the baseball game………Bill and Hillary are at the Yankee season opener sitting in thefirst row, with the Secret Service agents directly behind them.One of the Secret Service guys leans forward and whispers something to Bill.At first, Clinton stares at the guy, looks at Hillary,looks back at the agent, and shakes his head. The agent then says, “Mr. President, it was at the unanimous request of the entire team, from the owner on down to the bat boy.”Bill hesitates…but begins to change his mind when the agent tells him the fans would love it! Bill shrugs his shoulders and says, “Okay, if that’s what the people want.” With that, Bill gets up, grabs Hillary by her collar and the seat of her pants, lifts her up, and tosses her right over the wall onto the field. She gets up kicking, swearing, screaming, “I’ll kill you! You @#$!&&&&&&&&*%$%**!!!..”The crowd goes absolutely wild. Fans are jumping up & down, cheering, hooting & hollering, and high-fiving. Bill is bowing, smiling and waving to the crowd. He leans over to the agent and says, “How about that!I would have never believed how much everyone would enjoy that!”Noticing his agent has gone totally pale, he asks what is wrong. The agent replies, “Mr. President, Sir, I said they wanted you to throw out the irst “Pitch”.
By the way, Repuke, KSGrm said that her son was stationed in the Middle East in October 2000 when the Cole incident happened….
….six years after he retired from the service.
….five years after the ship he was stationed on was decommissioned.
Defend that, dumbass.
good one ken!
;^)
Heh, I hardly pay attention to this blog anymore – but when I do, I see that ol’ DA is STILL up to his old tricks: swearing, name-calling, general pejorative speech.
How many times did he say he was quitting this blog?
“How many times did he say he was quitting this blog?”
I only post so that I can aggravate you, Republican and KSGrm, KSGolfnut.
By they way, is KSGrm your wife, girlfriend or sister, Golfie?
And is Republican your brother, girlfriend or sister?
Hmmmmmmmmmm………..????????
How is that Homer Arafat act coming, Golfie?
Republican,
It seems you cannot remember what YOU posted a few hours ago.
YOU blamed the farmers, at 2:59 PM,”One of the reasons for CO2 that is never accounted for is the huge increase of agriculture in modern times.”
I pointed out at 4:25 PM that agriculture was a relatively SMALL source,”The remainder of the [25%] increase comes from LAND USE changes dominated by DEFORESTATION (and associated biomass BURNING) with contributions from changing AGRICULTURAL practices.
Note deforestation’s “dominated” versus agriculture’s “contributions”.
And then you falsely accuse me and the U.N. of attacking “agriculture”?
Yes, I do accuse you of attacking agriculture Cosmos. Methane and NO are much more effective at causing greenhouse effects than CO2. Yet, it is a natural occurrence. Scientist know that it would take 70 billion tonnes of all CO2 to duplicate what Methane and NO do.
Yet, what we hear from you Cosmos is how deadly fossil fuel is and how it causes draughts, floods, hurricanes, blizzards and anything else you want it to be.
You are a font of misinformation Cosmos, refusing to believe that an entire globe of naturally occurring events is more responsible for GW than CO2 is on its greatest statistical day. Thousands of times greater I should say.
You and your tax hungry Alarmist want to tax people and businesses out of existence, that is your sole agenda.
It has nothing to do with being green does it Cosmos?
If you were so concerned about keeping earth green, you’d be doing something about it, inventing new energy sources.
Instead, you post your ego on this blog pretending to be an expert on GW.
Now that is a waste of resources and you shouldn’t really being occupying an human slot on this earth.
Republican,
You cannot defend your incorrect opinions about GW.
You cannot even accurately quote a falsehood from a climate skeptic.
So you LIE about what the world’s peer-reviewed scientists say about human-caused GW.And you LIE about what I believe on the issue.
Oh Cosmos…I’m lying about the Earth and its natural GW components are many times larger than your puny CO2. And, that climate change has been occurring for millions of years without the assistance of humans.
What lie did I tell there Cosmos?
You try and defend your Global Warming Alarmist Tax Based Conspiracy theories, but you can’t.
Oh I forgot Cosmos, you are not a Scientist, you can prove anything.
Republican,
“Oh Cosmos…I’m lying about the Earth and its natural GW components are many times larger than your puny CO2.”
Yes, you are lying. Human-added CO2, CH4, N2O, CFC’s, etc have upset the natural equilibrium.
“And, that climate change has been occurring for millions of years without the assistance of humans.”
Irrelevant. Past natural climate changes do NOT prove that humans are NOT causing GW today.
“You try and defend your Global Warming Alarmist Tax Based Conspiracy theories, but you can’t.”
The carbon cap-and-trade system is NOT a “tax”.
You lie about what the world’s peer-reviewed scientists say.
Or perhaps you’re not lying? Maybe you are so biased, hate-filled, and/or mentally incompetent, that you are unable to comprehend those scientists, and me?
Clark and cosmos,
I am sorry, but arguing with the likes of germ and ‘pub is a profound waste of time. As any sane person can tell, those two are completely nuts. Use your energy for more profitable pursuits would be my suggestion.
No matter how many times you blugend those dumb a-joles, they will just claim victory and go to bed. A waste of time. And, unworthy of your skills, IMHO.
“This was a military decision. Bush does not test body armor. Why do you continue to place the blame for EVERYTHING on Bush?”
Is he or is he not the Commander in Chief?
Is he or is he not the decider?
Roxann, that has to be naive statement I’ve ever read. Military Procurement procedures have been established decades ago.
It works like this:
Military Puts in a budgetCongress approves their budgetPresident signs the budgetThe Military gets the moneyThe Military decides how it wants to spend the money
Steven Davis,
Your points at 12:00 AM are valid.
But I’m not wasting much of my time.
And I enjoy the ‘humor’ of ksgrm insisting that MANY scientists support her opinion.But she cannot list their names, because big, bad, horrible, anonymous me (cosmos) would DESTROY their credibility.
And I enjoy pointing out that Republican makes false claims about what the peer-reviewed scientists say.
Hopefully, in the future, the U.S.’s climate policy will be based on science, facts, and reality.
Hopefully in the future there will be less of people like Cosmos predicting doom and gloom based on scare science.
Cosmos is not even a scientist and puffs his chest out at every opportunity to show his cyber penis.
Cosmos has ignored the fact the natural events in the earth account for 99.999999999 percent of climate change.
The rest of Cosmos so-called “facts” is just fodder for greed based researchers who are looking for a paycheck from the government.
These researchers won’t have any real answers to what causes Climate change for another 50 years.
In the mean time, they will have drained the economy of productively and caused human to hate all things carbon producing including nature.
I very much doubt the people of the U.S. want to live under the thumb of the U.N. only to be economically blackmailed by every third world punk if we happen not to meet emission standards.
It will be a black era with very gray secular moralities.
Don’t let these U.N. economic Vampires get control of anything if you love the U.S.
Republican,
“Cosmos is not even a scientist and puffs his chest out at every opportunity to show his cyber penis.”
My “cyber penis”? That’s YOUR response to the over 100 Mbytes of PDF’s athttp://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html , written by many 100’s of highly credentialed, peer-reviewed climate scientists?
The same PDF reports that you post obvious LIES about?
Thank you for PROVING that my earlier post was correct.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_20.html#comment-70296966“Maybe you are so biased, hate-filled, and/or mentally incompetent, that you are unable to comprehend those scientists, and me?”
Too bad you are not a Scientist Cosmos. To compare yourself with them is laughable and quite frankly sad.
The so-called peer reviewed climate scientists are only working one side of the equation because that’s where the money is to be made – the so-called Anthropogenic Global Warming.
This Scientists are selling out for political favor and money.
They are completely ignoring the fact natural Global Warming is occurring and is a far greater threat than the puny emissions humans make.
Of course, Cosmos has to stick his cyber penis out because he hasn’t achieved his high school education yet.
Republican,
“They are completely ignoring the fact natural Global Warming is occurring”
The IPCC report says that an increase in solar is causing a small increase in ‘forcing’.
But you LIE, and claim that they are “completely ignoring” that fact.
Thank you for AGAIN PROVING that my earlier post was correct.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_20.html#comment-70296966“Maybe you are so biased, hate-filled, and/or mentally incompetent, that you are unable to comprehend those scientists, and me?”
Cosmos only requires for something to be written on the Internet as proof or “proving” his point.
He has never done one second of science in his entire lifetime and constantly claims to be an authority on Global Warming.
If he went head to head in a real life debate, he would get his butt stomped because he does not understand the real scientific papers that have been written
Cosmos depends entirely on op-ed journalism to make his claim to fame.
Cosmos will even belittle certified Meteorologists so he can prop himself to a status of notoriety.
In other words, Cosmos doesn’t a have clue of what he’s talking about as he has never finished a science course past the 8th grade.
Republican,
Thank you for posting six false personal attacks on me.
It seems that you got tired of misquoting a false claim made by Auer.
‘You, too, can be a leading climate scientist’http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/05/you_too_can_be_a_leading_clima.php
So you devote 100% of your post to falsely attacking me.
Thanks again for PROVING that my earlier post was correct.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/05/open_thread_20.html#comment-70296966“Maybe you are so biased, hate-filled, and/or mentally incompetent, that you are unable to comprehend those scientists, and me?”
Republican,
I didn’t make a statement, naive or otherwise. I asked two questions. Apparently you don’t recongize punctuation.
It’s a question of preparedness. Even if you assume that there is only a tenuous correlation between man-made greenhouse gases and global warming, the question is, would you be willing to bet your life on it. More realistically, would you be willing to bet your grandchildren’s lives on it.
If steps are taken to lessen the problem now, and they turn out to have been unnecessary, what’s the worst that can happen…we develop new technologies and new mechanism to control CO2 emissions..which results in a longerf lasting supply of fossil fuels.
On the other hand, if greenhouse warming IS caused to some degree by man-made emissions, then what is the worst that can happen if we don’t take some action now….a general drying of the planet, more and severer droughts, flooding of coastal areas, expansion of range for harmful creatures, massive displacements of people, starvation.
I’ll take higher cafe standards, please.