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- By Phillip Brownlee
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The endgame is here. The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Paul Wolfowitz “is now negotiating over the conditions of his resignation.”http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/05/16/wolfowitz_empire/
Good riddance!
LMAO!
Los Angeles TimesJonah Goldberg:
“Just how crazy are the Dems?A new poll on 9/11 indicates that they definitely have a paranoia problem.May 15, 2007
MOST FAIR-MINDED readers will no doubt take me at my word when I say that a majority of Democrats in this country are out of their gourds.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-goldberg15may15,0,3962183.column?coll=la-home-commentary
…the right response to the Rosie O’Donnell wing of the Democratic Party is “It’s just make-believe.” But if they really believe it, then liberals must stop calling themselves the “reality-based” party and stop objecting to the suggestion that they have a problem with being called anti-American. Because when 61% of Democrats polled consider it plausible or certain that the U.S. government would let this happen, well, “blame America first” doesn’t really begin to cover it, does it?”
Republican,Count me among the 26% who aren’t sure. Isn’t it sad that we have an administration that’s so overtly political and corrupt that people would believe such a thing.
I doubt that Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand, but at this point, I wouldn’t put it past him.
Blame America first? No, we blame you and the rest of the blood thirsty republicans who are so quick on the trigger.
GE Recalls 2.5 Million DishwashersWed May 16, 2007 10:45 AM EDTbusiness, recall, dishwasher, ge-dishwasherAssociated Press
WASHINGTON — General Electric Co. is recalling 2.5 million dishwashers because of a wiring problem that could cause fires.
The recall, government regulators said Wednesday, includes dishwashers sold under the brands Eterna, GE, GE Profile, GE Monogram, Hotpoint, and Sears-Kenmore.http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/05/16/722154-ge-recalls-25-million-dishwashers
10 Unexpected Uses of the iPodhttp://www.oculture.com/weblog/2007/04/10_innovative_u.html
“The average temperature in April 2007 was 51.7 F. This was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 47th coolest April in 113 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.”http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=3a9bc8a4-802a-23ad-4065-7dc37ec39adf“AMS CERTIFIED WEATHERMAN STRIKES BACK AT WEATHER CHANNEL CALL FOR DECERTIFICATIONJanuary 19, 2007
Posted by Marc Morano marc_morano@epw.senate.gov
After EPW blog post yesterday Weather Channel Climate Expert Calls for Decertifying Global Warming Skeptics http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=32abc0b0-802a-23ad-440a-88824bb8e528 check out this blog post from ABC-TV Alabama affiliate weatherman James Spann http://www.jamesspann.com/blog.htm ”
Well, well. Some “climate expert” on “The Weather Channel” wants to take away AMS certification from those of us who believe the recent “global warming” is a natural process. So much for “tolerance”, huh?I have been in operational meteorology since 1978, and I know dozens and dozens of broadcast meteorologists all over the country. Our big job: look at a large volume of raw data and come up with a public weather forecast for the next seven days. I do not know of a single TV meteorologist who buys into the man-made global warming hype. I know there must be a few out there, but I can’t find them. Here are the basic facts you need to know:*Billions of dollars of grant money is flowing into the pockets of those on the man-made global warming bandwagon. No man-made global warming, the money dries up. This is big money, make no mistake about it. Always follow the money trail and it tells a story. Even the lady at “The Weather Channel” probably gets paid good money for a prime time show on climate change. No man-made global warming, no show, and no salary. Nothing wrong with making money at all, but when money becomes the motivation for a scientific conclusion, then we have a problem. For many, global warming is a big cash grab.”
Dear God, now he’s an operational meteorologist. Next, he’ll be the second coming. Besides bad writing, you should run for office; we need a neutered status symbol.
“The average temperature in April 2007 was 51.7 F. This was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 47th coolest April in 113 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.”http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html
That data includes only the u.s. The u.s. does not make the climate of the world. The world has been warming up, but how much of that warming is due to man’s activity is in my mind an unknown. The best course would be to conserve energy as much as possible, since we will need it in the future, and ignore the whole global warming controversy as neither you nor I are capable of understanding it.
Wake up J M before you post any comments. The GW article was referenced and in quotes. Which means to the still asleep that it was written by someone else.
“DEMOCRATS TO CHANGE 185 YEAR-OLD HOUSE RULE TO ALLOW TAX HIKES WITHOUT HAVING TO VOTE
May 16, 2007
In a stunning move, House Democrats today revealed they will attempt to rewrite House rules that have gone unchanged since 1822 in order to make it possible to increase taxes and government spending without having to vote and be held accountable. House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) today vowed Republicans will use every available means to fight this unprecedented change.
“This is an astonishing attempt by the majority leadership to duck accountability for tax-and-spend policies the American people do not want,” Boehner said. “The majority leadership is gutting House rules that have been in place for 185 years so they can raise taxes and increase government spending without a vote. House Republicans will use every tool available to fight this abuse of power.””
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjlkMGM2YjJjMDZmMzlhMDA0YzdiM2E3ODMwZjA0NWU=
XXX,
If I am not mistaken, almost all of the democrats minus a few voted for the use of force against Iraq.
Do I really need to dredge up all the quotes from the Democrats talking about how much they supported the use of force to remove Saddam from power?
Yet we are still here with you blaming it on the Reublicans being quick on the trigger?
I think I can understand why so many Democrats believe that about 9-11. It is because they are WILLING to believe anything to which makes Bush look bad.
I think all of you here have been preaching your lies of hatred for so long that you are so riled up you will believe anything.
heheheheheeh! I think the wingnut on call today forgot his wake up call to be the first reich wing poster at 2am.
This has obviously prompted him to try and make up for it by producing quantity, not quality.
Scroll over territory.
But at least he hasnt pimped his own blog. Yet.
So, now you ridicule based on time of posting? How juvenile….not everyone sleeps the same hours you do.
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=676&tstamp=200705
Warmest January-April ever; new record Arctic sea ice minimum
April 2007 was the third warmest April for the globe on record, and the first four months of 2007 were the warmest ever
There is a good ‘map’ on the link that shows that, although the eastern 2/3 of the US was cooler vast areas of Europe, Asia, African South America, Greenlans, Canada, Alaske, west coast USA were warmer. Europe and northern Asia MUCH warmer.
Yo! Can we get a gas prices thread in here? Considering that the price has risen 78% in 7 years time and is about to topple the crisis of the 70’s…I think it’s prudent.
Yeah because it hasn’t been investigated by congeress enough over the last 30 years..
we had this conversation last year and the Year before that..
While others sleep, Republican scoures the “internets” to bring you the reich-wing news.
This guy is a parody of himself. He’s famous for rarely using links and when he finally does, it’s to OPINION pieces that are long on rant and short on fact.
For future reference, Republican, please consult the handy chart below:
GOODWall Street Journal news articlesPeer-reviewed academic journalsAP-McClatsky-Reuters-CNN-ABC-NBC-CBS news articlesTime-Newsweek-US News & World Report news articlesWikipedia (usually)
BAD
WSJ editoral and op-ed piecesMajor TV news “commentators”FOX NewsTime-Newsweek opinion writers (Krauthammer, Will etc)FreeRepublic postsRepublikhan’s blogs
This is what you should have learned in English Composition had you been paying attention.
But you were too busy jogging in formation with your RotCee buddies, apparently.
Capnamerica,
I have taken English, I don’t recall anything saying FOX news wasn’t ok while saying the other networks are…
Bias? I think so.
Nathan writes, “if I am not mistaken, almost all of the democrats minus a few voted for the use of force against Iraq.”
You are mistaken.
What the Democrats voted for was a resolution to give the President the power to go to war.
They didn’t vote FOR war.
The President was saying at the time of that vote that he hadn’t made up his mind.
Turns out that was another damned lie.
The Democrat vote does not get them off the hook. They DID enable Worst. President. Ever. to get us mired down in a second Vietnam in Iraq.
But to say they voted FOR THE WAR is inaccurate.
Capnamerica,
What was the name of what they voted for?
Was it not: The use of force?
Lets look at what they said since you think I am mistaken:
Nancy Pelosi:
“Saddam Hussein Certainly Has Chemical And Biological Weapons. There’s No Question About That.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 11/17/02)
“Others Have Talked About This Threat That Is Posed By Saddam Hussein. Yes, He Has Chemical Weapons, He Has Biological Weapons, He Is Trying To Get Nuclear Weapons.” (Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Congressional Record, 10/10/02, p. H7777)
Joe Biden:
“We Know He Continues To Attempt To Gain Access To Additional Capability, Including Nuclear Capability.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 8/4/02)
“Constitutionally, The President Has The Right To Act Pre-Emptively Go Strike The Chinese, The Communist Regime? The Answer’s No. And So – But With Saddam, There Is–It’s Much More Tenuous Because He Has Used Weapons Of Mass Destruction Before. He Has Made Assertions About Intentions To Use These Weapons And, Therefore, It Gives More Credence To The President’s Capacity To Be Able To Act Pre-Emptively.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 6/16/02)
“[W]hat Makes Saddam Hussein Different Is He Invaded A Country; He Lost A War; The Terms Of Surrender Were Specific Requirements Made And Commitments Made To The United Nations That He Has Violated.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 9/22/02)
Hilary Clinton:
“[E]verybody Knows This Is A Bad Guy And The Last Thing On Earth We Want Is For Him To Have Weapons Of Mass Destruction And A Delivery System By Which He Could Cause Havoc In His Region And Around The World. Therefore We Do Want To Get Rid Of Him.” (MSNBC’s “Hardball,” 9/11/02
“I Can Support The President, I Can Support An Action Against Saddam Hussein Because I Think It’s In The Long-Term Interests Of Our National Security…” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 9/15/02)
“Do You Believe We Could Have Disarmament Without Regime Change?” Sen. Clinton: “I Doubt It.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 9/15/02)
“That Saddam Hussein Has Worked To Rebuild His Chemical And Biological Weapons Stock, His Missile Delivery Capability, And His Nuclear Program. He Has Also Given Aid, Comfort, And Sanctuary To Terrorists, Including Al Qaeda Members.” (Sen. Hillary Clinton, Congressional Record, 10/10/02 p. S10288) (FOX’s “Special Report,” 11/2/05)
“In The Four Years Since The Inspectors Left, Intelligence Reports Show That Saddam Hussein Has Worked To Rebuild His Chemical And Biological Weapons Stock, His Missle Delivery Capability, And His Nuclear Program. … It Is Clear, However, That If Left Unchecked, Saddam Hussein Will Continue To Increase His Capacity To Wage Biological And Chemical Warfare And Will Keep Trying To Develop Nuclear Weapons.” (Sen. Hillary Clinton, Congressional Record, 10/10/02, p. S10288)
Nathan–
What they should have told you in English class was to consider the accuracy and authority of the source.
Fox News as a propaganda arm of the CONservative political movement doesn’t cut it. It’s about as accurate and authoritative as World Socialist Website would be on the other side.
Capnamerica,
They voted to give the President the power to go to war, but not for war?
What kind of backwards double speak is that?
Give me a break. What a joke your party has become when this is the type of stuff you have to resort to in a vain attempt to hide from the truth.
CapnAmerica,
Do you watch Fox News?
Because your comments are nothing more than the same old typical liberal attempt to attack them without evidence.
I consider the accuracy of your comments to be little more than a lie.
Wow. I’m so impressed with your list, Nathan.
The difference is that even if Saddam had WMD’s, he still could not deliver them and posed no threat to us.
There’s a big difference between believing that Saddam had WMD’s which a lot of Dems apparently did (yawn) and GOING TO WAR over them, which a lot of Dems did NOT believe was necessary.
Big difference.
Capn,
Find one report that Fox News did not report accurately..
it is the most watched news channel in America..
KAKE-TV reports that Sedgwick County is REFUSING TO MAKE PUBLIC the amount it is charging for suites and other prime seating at the downtown arena. This information is, by law, public record. The public paid for the arena and has the right to know how much every single seat and parking space is going for!
The news media are part of the problem here. If KAKE won’t do it, the Eagle needs to send a reporter over to the county to file a Kansas Open Records Act request for the suite sales prices. If the county still won’t hand over the information, file a lawsuit. Quit sitting on your butts waiting to rewrite news releases!
I’m also disappointed that so many on this message board spend their time discussing matters such as gay marriage that have no impact whatsoever on their lives or pocketbooks. This is another reason why local leaders have become so arrogant that they believe they can get away with a bunch of secretive, back room deals on the public dime.
“What a joke your party has become…”
The ghost of McGovern’s landslide is looming.
Ad hominem is cheap and easy.
It’s also all anyone around here seems capable of.
Hey Ranch Hand
We’ve chatted before? Nha Trang RVN, 67 – 69, acft. mech. EC-47’s —
I think both parties may be trying to distract us by starting their campaigns so early ……
…. and the lack of any serious investigative journalism by the local media (Decorative Dental Fixtures does not count Beagle) has only helped them (local politicians)
As I recall, Bush was talking about don’t neuter him, when he had to go to the U.N. He needed to have the threat that he could unilaterally take action, if he was to get the u.n. vote against Saddam.
Have you ever thought that they haven’t come up with a price yet? The thing hasn’t yet been built and they are still negotiating the terms with the management firm. Give them time. It isn’t like they are refusing or keeping things a secret. Even though you are trying to make it out that they are. Every detail about the Arena so far as been made completely public and everything is under a citizen oversight committee. So don’t make it out like there is a hidden agenda. Because there is not.
You anti-arena people need something better than trying to find any BS excuse to make your case to stop the construction of the downtown arena.
I love you guys brilliant idea of what to do with the money already raised for the arena. You want to redistributed to property owners.
LOL! That’s called redistribution of income where only the very wealthy will benefit. So you tax everybody, yet use those taxes to give wealthy property owners tax relief? Now I understand why the far right Republican groups have attached themselves to this.
Funny that the people spearheading the anti-arena movement are the hard-core Jerry Fawell, Bonnie Huy, Jan Beamer, Jerry Winkleman type of anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-casino, anti-Sunday liquor sales, anti-porn shops, anti-strip joints and the list continues with anti-arena.
You guys are the same old recycle group that tried to stop the empty buildings to turn into a bar and entertainment district, what is now known as Old Town. You rather keep them empty and dilapidated.
But go ahead! You’re entitled to your opinion and to do whatever you think you can to stop the construction of the downtown arena, within legal reasons of course. If you want to have a Grand Jury look into it like you did with porn-shops, go ahead. Do what ever you want.
RRH, I dont know what your are talking about. The hate amendment in kansas very much affects both my life and my pocketbook.
“I love you guys brilliant idea of what to do with the money already raised for the arena. You want to redistributed to property owners.”
Actually Joe, I proposed a mechanism that had nothing to do with the property tax. It was based on the precedent set by the IRS in distributing the refund of the telephone excise tax. YOU KNOW THAT!
I never “tried to stop the empty buildings to turn into a bar and entertainment district, what is now known as Old Town. You rather keep them empty and dilapidated.” YOU KNOW THAT TOO!
Your 15,000 seat Arena WILL be built. So far, land acquisition and construction costs are running 45% higher than advertised. So be it.
“If you want to have a Grand Jury look into it like you did with porn-shops” – I never did THAT either. Quit lumping groups together than have nothing to do with each other.
Add to that your “anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-casino, anti-Sunday liquor sales, anti-porn shops, anti-strip joints and the list continues with anti-arena” – again, you are painting with an incredibly inaccurate broad brush.
I don’t EVER recall seeing Falwell or Huy at ANY anti-Arena event. Let’s see you back that bogus claim up.
Joe, on your statement above you wrote that we all pay taxes. That is wrong more than 2/3 of the countries population do not pay taxes..
BG–
You got a link for your claim that only 1/3 of all Americans pay taxes.
Also, you’re wrong. Taxes included sales taxes, gas taxes, car tags, phone taxes, property taxes (included in rents).
Also, anyone who earns income has to pay “payroll taxes”–social security and medicare taxes.
So you’re very, very wrong, as usual.
http://www.kansas.com/business/rengers/story/72025.html
How the city lost bowling tournament
Speculation — and frustration — is running high in business circles and among those in city and county government:
What really happened to cause Wichita to lose the United States Bowling Congress Open Championships for 2011 and a potential $100 million economic impact?
The city’s loss of the event has given rise to several theories, such as the city wants to sell Century II or turn that space into a casino, and that’s why it couldn’t make a guarantee about its condition.
Brewer says that’s “absolutely crazy.”
“There’s no way the city would be interested in selling Century II,” he says.”
Joe! Maybe YOU should contact your friends involved with the Arena and get the $100 million bowling tourny THERE!
Capn.check out theEarned Income Credit. tax codeKansas Single head of household.Food sales tax credits…almost guarentees that you will get more back than you paid out of Payroll taxes
Medicare and SS are not Taxes in the traditional since. these are government mandated and enforced savings accounts.. you get it back unless die you first ..you do the link thing I don’t go do your own research..
CapnAmerica, you know that the social security payroll deduction is not a “tax.” It’s the government providing for our retirement!
(I can’t say that and keep a straght face.)
(It’s a terrible loss of liberty that we can’t plan for our own retirements in a way that suits each person or family best. There is nothing worse than a government-mandated retirement plan.)
Joe,
All I know is what KAKE reported. If they’re already selling the suites, it stands to reason that they’ve set the price. Here’s the story:
-16-07 – Sedgwick County is already working to sell premium seats for the new arena, even though construction is still months away.
While architects have drawn up the basic plans, the results of a new study have allowed the county to design the final arena blueprints. Over the past few months a consulting group researched the Wichita market and came up with exactly how many specialty seats and private suites the arena can support.
Out of 15,000 seats, there will be 300 much larger and more expensive premium seats. Of those seats, 40 will be open air loge boxes that can fit anywhere from four to eight people. They will also include 22 luxury suites and two rentable party suites.
The group is marketing all of them to potential buyers and so far the response has been positive. The county is not publicly releasing what they’ll charge for the different levels of luxury seating.
“They’ve talked to a number of businesses here in town; there’s a high level of interest and we’re very happy about that,” said Assistant County Manager Ron Holt.
To help boost sales, they will set up a showroom of sorts in downtown Wichita by August where people can actually come and look at a model suite and loge box.
As for what the arena will be named once it’s built, there’s big progress on that front as well. The county reports that there are a couple of very good prospects for naming rights.
Actual construction is set to start around October.
I wonder, Ben, if a facility like Century II were privately-owned and operated in the interest of its owners, if it would bungle such a large chunk of business.
(Politicians and bureaucrats, though — by the time of the next election, this will be forgotten.)
But maybe a private firm isn’t likely to give away the use of its facility for free for a long time. But that’s what the taxpayers of the City of Wichita are doing.
Wait — there’s the purported economic benefit. I forgot about that. If the benefit is so great and so certain, the people who are in position to receive this benefit might want to host the event themselves, instead of requiring the taxpayers as a whole to pay to host a bowling tournament.
BG
Ah, you’re one of those kind of posters, eh? Write something that’s almost impossible to research and then say, “do your own research.”
Well I DID google it. And I found that the top 50 percent of income earners pay 96 percent of income taxes. That’s not surprising since it’s a tax on INCOME . . . so you make more, you pay more, duh.
But nowhere could I find the total number or percentage of people in the US who don’t pay taxes.
Obviously, if you don’t earn income, you wouldn’t have to pay income tax.
You made the claim, so it’s your job to support it with documentation.
If you can’t, it has no validity.
It’s like me saying that Rush Limbaugh is a gay prostitute and if you don’t believe it, do your own research.
As far as tax credits from one source compensating for other taxes, that’s totally bogus. If people weren’t paying the taxes, they would in many cases still get the tax credit.
So the net result is that they’re still paying taxes.
CONs want to pretend that income taxes are the only taxes that matter. As Warren Buffett has pointed out, his secretary pays a higher percentage of her income (because of SS and Medicare) to the government than he does in income taxes.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/20/news/buffett_tax/Buffett slams dividend tax cutOne of world’s richest calls plan ‘voodoo economics,’ says it puts burden on low-income families.May 20, 2003: 10:41 AM EDT. . .
Through his 31 percent ownership of the company, Buffett said he would receive an additional $310 million in income that would reduce his tax rate from about 30 percent to 3 percent, while his office secretary would still have a tax rate of about 30 percent.
There is nothing worse than a government-mandated retirement plan.Posted by: anonymous | May 17, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Sure there is: communism.
Think of FICA as backfiring to control a forest fire, rather than the forest fire itself.
The next most likely alternative would be to means-test voting rights by annual income.
Think about it.
So, wanting to do something about illegal immigration is ‘racist’? How about a concern for basic survival?
CNN: (Reuters) More than 900 people have been killed in drug violence in Mexico this year, most of them in turf battles between the Gulf Cartel from northeastern Mexico and an alliance of traffickers headed by kingpin Joaquin “Shorty” Guzman.
Interesting that you say that, Pedant.
Because that what the FDR administration thought.
It was a way to moderate people who were calling for even more drastic government controls to deal with the Depression: unemployment, poverty, starvation, etc.
SS is really too big a topic to deal with in a forum like this, but for all the gov’t haters out there remember this–SS never missed a payment in 75 years. Can you say that about private retirement and pension plans, many of which have been phased out or raided?
SS reduced poverty among the elderly from 40 percent to under 10 percent.
We’re saving as much now privately as we did before SS was put into place. If SS is so bad, why did we need it 75 years ago?
The fact is, it’s not going broke, it works, and it’s the most popular gov’t program ever created.
If you don’t like it, move to someplace like Somalia where people just watch each other die . . .
Republican: regarding my comment yesterday on the open thread about blob civility: I don’t have the ability to read or post often, so I was simply trying to get my point across quickly to all bloggers. I used your comment as an example, and yes there are others who also make comments that are inappropriate. I didn’t cut and paste all of them thinking that it would not be needed. However, I don’t think you know anything about me to assume what “side” I am on or not on, but your response clearly demonstrated my point.
Further response from you is neither needed or wanted. Good day to you sir.
correction: blog, even.
although blob was pretty funny. : )
WichiWomn
Y’all come back now!
Yeah, SS security is a gem of a program. Even multi-millionaires qualify for a government pension thru SS.
Top notch…
Social security is in trouble, I think. I think as the general population lives longer, and the ratio of getters vs payers change, the program must change. People are now are on the program that were not in the original intent, such as the disabled. The money paid in has been counted as part of the general tax revenues for a long time, and the box is full of ious. I think it has to change inorder to survive. We need a rational (hahaha) discussion about the issue. Perhaps extending to tax to all income, but also extending the amount paid to a percentage of all income, perhaps means testing, or allowing a certain percentage to be privately invested. CapnAmerica is right, it has been a successful program, but I do not know if my children or my grandchildren will have the luxury of counting on it for their future.
Immigration deal reached between Senate and White House.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070517/NEWS07/70517036/1118/RSS
“The GW article was referenced and in quotes. Which means to the still asleep that it was written by someone else.”
Go back and read it again, bozo: it is NOT referenced in quotes. Either that, or learn where to put them.
http://www.allegromedia.com/sugi/taxes/
Capn, here is your link, read the introduction part..
BG – even if you discount SS taxes you still have sales and property taxes. Even if you rent you pay property taxes as a ‘passthrough’ to your landlord.
And, in Kansas, we charge sales tax on food and drugs.
I don’t agree that social security has been successful. Anything that is forced upon us through the coercive power of the government cannot be successful. That is, if we value liberty.
Ask gay and other non-wedded couples how they feel about the success of social security when their partner dies and they get nothing, despite paying for years just like married coouples.
Ask the person who dies a short time after starting to collect benefits how they feel as they have nothing to leave for their heirs, while in a voluntary system they could have accumulated wealth to leave to their children or others.
Ask future generations of workers when they realize that the current surplus in the “trust fund” has already been spent, and when they realize the only way to pay back the trust fund is for the government to raise taxes or print money.
Ask future generations how they feel about the generational warfare sure to erupt when there is no money to pay the benefits Congress has implicitely promised to current workers.
Where is the success?
Poor Boeing, just had to sell out wichita, because it couldn’t afford the union cost, right?
Out of the Gate: Boeing RisesThursday May 17, 10:38 am ETShares of Boeing Rise on Deal With Union, Analyst Report
NEW YORK (AP) — Boeing Co.’s shares touched an all-time high at the opening bell Thursday after the airplane manufacturer said it reached a tentative deal with its machinists union and an analyst said the company can increase the number of planes it makes.ADVERTISEMENTLate Wednesday, the Chicago-based aircraft maker said it reached a tentative agreement with the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers District 837 in St. Louis. The agreement would boost 2,600 workers’ wages by 9.5 percent and increase pension benefits by 17 percent, the company said.
The union had threatened to strike if a new contract wasn’t signed by the time the current contract expires on Sunday.
Also, Jefferies analyst Howard A. Rubel wrote in a client report Boeing could increase jetliner production beyond its current rate of 45 per month. He raised his earnings estimates for 2009 to reflect more plane sales and lower costs.
Shares of Boeing rose $1.16 to $96.50. The stock reached as high as $96.55, breaking the previous all-time high of $95.58.
Ben,You get credits for the taxes you pay on food in kansas when you file yearly income taxes far greater than originally paid.. federal credits will usually cause the return to be larger than the amount you paid through your employer deductions,, which means you get wealth redistribution and it is usually larger then what you pay in sales taxes through out the year.. unless you buy one hell of a car..
BG–
Nice try, but you lose.
Not only is this source extremely old (2000, based on 1999 data), it doesn’t say what you claim it says.
You say only 1/3rd of all Americans (nonretired adults?) pay income taxes and 2/3rds don’t.
What your source says is this:”Fully half the taxpayers contribute almost nothing in individual income taxes.”
Right, that’s ’cause they make almost nothing. No surprise there.
But that doesn’t seem to support your contention that only 1/3rd of Americans pay income taxes . . .
Too all the rich people complaining that their taxes are too high?
I’ll make a deal with you.
You can have my salary, and I’ll take your salary that’s about ten or twenty times higher than mine, and that way, you’ll get to pay my really low taxes.
Who wants to trade?
Actually Capn, we all lose..
Poor Republican… he does not seem to understand that meteorology and climate science are different disciplines.
Weatherman James Spann’s claims are pushed by http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano“Morano was “previously known as Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Man in Washington,’ as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show,…”
And Spann appeared on Glenn Beck’s ‘Climate of Fear’, which was a failure in the cable ratings,http://www.desmogblog.com/becks-climate-of-fear-crashes-and-burns
And here’s climate science… Spann’s “the lady at “The Weather Channel””,http://press.weather.com/index.php/meteorologists/10.html“Before joining The Weather Channel, Dr. Cullen was a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, CO. She received a B.S. in Engineering/Operations Research from Columbia University in NYC and went on to receive a Ph.D. in climatology and ocean-atmosphere dynamics at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University. Her dissertation focused on understanding the impacts and dynamics of the North Atlantic Oscillation, an important climate influence. As a post-doc, she received a NOAA Climate & Global Change Fellowship and spent two years working at the International Research Institute for Climate Prediction.”
So who should we believe re climate issues?
Weatherman “7-day forecast” Spann? Or Dr. Cullen, and all the other peer-reviewed scientists?
What constitutes rich. I think my family pays to much in taxes.
A good description of the history of climate science is here, and,
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/environment/2007/05/climate-myths-special.html“Why does this history matter? Because it shows that scientists, now united in agreement [link below], were once the greatest climate change sceptics.”
‘Climate myths: Many leading scientists question climate change’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11654
And read about the other 25 “most common climate myths and misconceptions.”
‘Climate change: A guide for the perplexed’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462
BG – what line on my 1040 or 540 gives me those credits?
Ben. Line # 8a chart is online as well. check it out.. that is all I wanted to point out.
So cosmos – what is your opinion of the Chaos Theory in light of global Warming predictions?
BG – line 8a of 1040 is Taxable Interest. If you are referring to line 8 of Sch A remember that these are DEDUCTIONS, not CREDITS.
On the K-40 line 8 is Tax.
Again, where do I claim the credits?
Sorry about the 540 reference; had California on my mind.
Ben – my guess is that you make too much to take any Federal Earned Income credit – which is necessary before you can take a Food Tax Credit with the State of Kansas.
I filed half a dozen taxes for my kids’ friends and one took both credits.
I can’t remember exactly what the difference was now on her return – but between both the Fed and State – it was around $750. I think.
I think you have to be over 25 and under a specific income level. Don’t remember the level right now – but all those forms are free downloads from the IRS.
GS – I know. I have done numerous returns including those. However, I also know, for example, that the KS Homestead return is substantially LESS than the property tax paid. As for downloads from IRS I have them ALL in my software – for ALL states that have income tax. Also the business forms.
My point to BG is that what he was saying was inaccurate. And yes, I am FAR removed from any EITC considerations; and I am quite happy about that fact.
You mention $750. Since the estimated sales tax for Sch A purposes is about a thousand and SS tax can easily be thousands ($2235 on 30K income) I do not see how $750 is greater than that.
Must be the new math.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_income_tax_credit
SS is not a tax unless your an Employer or self Employed…. you pay half and your employer pays the other half.. And you recope it when you retire.. probally twice as much as you pay in.. at least I hope you live long enough to get it all back..
BG – you will note that it says “REDUCES or eliminates” … that does NOT mean that it always eliminates or gives back MORE – especially if I also consider sales and property tax.
I submit that I have worked with a lot more EITC forms than you have.
By the way, unless you have kids the whole thing is minimal or non-existent. If over 25 without kids there may be a small credit.
GSheridan,
I agree with this,’Climate myths: Chaotic systems are not predictable’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11641
Also, we don’t know what various (some possibly still unknown) positive natural feedbacks will do in the future. So we should NOT be taking the huge risk of warming Earth’s climate with our GHG’s.
“…at least I hope you live long enough to get it all back..”
Unless you are Black. It’s my understanding that SS is ripping off the Black people. Another way the dems are ignoring part of their base.
“It’s my understanding that SS is ripping off the Black people.”
Provide some evidence – evidence that you did not “hear” from Rush Limbaugh or Michael “Weenie” Savage.
http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/rsnotes/rsn2000-01.pdf
Actually – here is how it works -
Your agi canno be more than the cut off, 36348 if you have more than one qualifying child, 32001 if you have one qualifying child and 12120 if you do not have a qualifying child. If you are married filing jointly, the cutoffs are 36348, 34001 and 14120 respectively. (these are 2006 figures, 2007 will probably differ) you must have a valid ss number, your filing status cannot be “married filing seperately”, you must be a US Citizen or resident alien for the FULL tax year, you cannot file form 2555 or 2555 EZ, your investment income must be 2800 or less, and you must have earned income. And there are further restrictions as to what a qualifying child is.
you can find the full booklet on EIC here: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p596.pdf
And even though you may qualify for EIC, you may not qualify for the Food Sales Tax refund…You must be 55 years of age or older, be blind or disabled, or have a dependent child under age 18 who lives with you all year and who you claim as a personal exemption. You also had to have lived in Kansas the entire year and have a qualifying income less than 28600… and the amount is usually significantly less than what one realistically would probably spend in a full year on food sales taxes…
that is just misleading on many levels…
so, fleett – blacks are more likely to collect SS disability. They are also more likely to die younger. So, it looks like a wash overall.
“So, it looks like a wash overall.”
Democrat Party: It’s a wash.
Yes Cosmos, I do understand the difference between Meteorology and Climatology.
Meteorology actually have to put their reputation on the line daily.
In Climatology one can wait for 100 years after every one you have known is dead for your predictions to come true or not. :)
Global Climate Alarmist have the biggest snake oil business going. No one can prove them wrong, unless they live past their 100 year predictions.
What a sweetheart deal.
Of course Cosmos, Climate has never changed in the past has it?
I mean you know the earth was never a tropical zone for dinosaurs to exist nor a frozen wasteland for woolly mammoths to roam.
That would be too inconvenient wouldn’t it?
Republican,
“No one can prove them wrong, unless they live past their 100 year predictions.”
Actually, their predictions apply to a few decades.
Ooops! Their predictions re Arctic ice were wrong!
‘Arctic Ice Retreating More Quickly Than Computer Models Project’http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2007/seaice.shtml
Ooops! They were wrong about ice sheets, and now don’t know what to predict!
‘Ice Sheets and Sea Level Rise: Model Failure is the Key Issue’http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/06/ice-sheets-and-sea-level-rise-model-failure-is-the-key-issue/
Ooops! Happening earlier than scientists expected!
‘Southern Ocean already losing ability to absorb CO2′http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11876-southern-ocean-already-losing-ability-to-absorb-cosub2sub.html “Corinne Le Quéré at the University of East Anglia in the UK, and colleagues say their study suggests that climate feedback loops – whereby more CO2 in the atmosphere causes warming which in turn releases even more CO2 from the oceans – are happening between 20 and 40 years before they were expected.”
Ooops! They didn’t know about the positive feedback from less phytoplankton, until late last year!’NASA Research Reveals Climate Warming Reduces Ocean Food Supply’http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/dec/HQ_06364_Ocean_Food_Chain.html
Cosmos, you need to talk on his level.
Republican, do you know who is causing global warming? Osama Bin Laden. Increasing carbon dioxide emissions caused 9/11.
Conservatives respond to only a few words, just like dogs and cats.
Conservatives respond to only a few words, just like dogs and cats.Posted by: Doug | May 17, 2007 at 05:48 PM
There’s a couple of them I wouldn’t mind seeing roll over and beg.
::woof::
Where is the success [of SS}?
Posted by: anonymous | May 17, 2007 at 02:05 PM
“There are none so blind as those who will not see.”–John Heywood
Antarctica is melting! Ooops, only the far NW tiny portion of an ice shelf.
Polar Bear population is declining! Ooops, 11 of 13 Canadian Populations are actually growing!
Plankton is dieing! Oooops, the plankton in the oceans near Alaska at a record growth!
CO2 absorbed more in Southern Hemisphere! Ooops! Average temperature of oceans in Southern Hemisphere is declining!
Computer Climate models are increasingly sophisticated! Ooops! We haven’t put the largest greenhouse gas in yet, Clouds(water vapor!)
3 of the biggest non story stories the media has cooked up-1. Anna Nicole Smith. Most everybody I talk to could care less about her, Larry Brickhead or DanniLynn. I could care less too.2. Natalie Holloway. The girls been gone for 2 friggin years now! She ain’t breathing no more. Get over it already. If she was not a pretty rich blonde girl, nobody would have gave a shit anyway.3. High Gas Prices. Yes, we can hear this every summer. It is a story that TV just cannot pass up. But I don’t really hear any bitching from regular people about it. We might grumble but, like any desired commodity, we continue to but it in record amounts.
“CO2 absorbed more in Southern Hemisphere! Ooops! Average temperature of oceans in Southern Hemisphere is declining!” Gee, I know where to put quotes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18723606/
Opps: Southern ocean reaching it’s CO2 limit. The largest CO2 sink in the world can’t hold much more, which means more CO2 in the atmosphere, adding to global warming.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6903014
Opps: Ice on mountains all over the world melting at an ever increasing rate. Note the phrase, all over the world, not somemound, Washington, where they had record snowfall.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18698596/
Opps: areas on the Antarctic that have shown little or no melting in the past suddenly melting. Must be the wicked witch of the west.
Notice: links included at no extra charge.
Kev,Who are the little people going to bitch to, bush? Chaney? Halliburton? Shell? Mobil? The papers?
When an oil CEO gets 600m as a bonus, and gas prices rise to 3.19 a gallon, somethings wrong. What is that something? NO NEW OIL REFINERIES BUILT BECAUSE THAT WOULD INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF GAS, LOWERING PRICES. SUPPLY AND DEMAND? BULL! GOOD OLD AMERICAN GREED. NOTHING MORE; NOTHING LESS.
Ben! I said the Jerry Falwell, Bonnie Huy types of people.
You ask me if I ever saw them at an anti-arena rally. No! Because nobody really showed up to both of those rallies. Less than 20 people for each rally.
Look! It is no secret that the two stauches supporters of the anti-arena agenda are spearheaded by an ultra-right wing Republican Group for which the these individuals are members of. This is a group that advocates anti-choice, anti-gaming, anti-Sunday liquor sales, anti-porn shops and etc.
There are a few people who aren’t in the group that are anti-arena. Dee Stuart, but she has her own agenda and I don’t know the rest.
I don’t think you’re involved other than on principle. There are quite a few leftist that are against it because they believe in a conspiratorial aspect that the Arena is only to benefit rich construction contractors and the GOBN.
Let me ask you this Ben, since you believe the Downtown Arena is a waste of money. Do you also believe the new pedestrian bridges and the Keeper of the Plains 30 million dollar project a waste of money also?
To rebate the sales tax based on a telephone excise tax model is also wrong. Because we in Sedgwick County are not the only ones paying for this Arena. Everybody that has ever passed through here and payed for anything has.
So will you seek out all the people who live outside Sedgwick County and the State of Kansas that has payed the sales tax and say to them they can claim a refund?
Ridiculous. You’re smarter than that. Don’t let your hate blind you.
Who knew this? Would it be acceptable in Kansas because I’m sure this argument is coming.
In Virginia, individuals need a permit only to carry a concealed weapon. Openly visible, holstered guns are permitted without a permit.
Carry a weapon is about responsibilty. Take some classes should be required. Any yahoo can buy a gun in Virginia, whether they can see, have any sense, and carry a holstered weapon?
Carrying doesn’t mean they shoot straight or have the “legality”.
What if they got the guns at a no background check gun show or from a friend?
Only one? Two gun holstered walking around Virginia?
Strap that shotgun over the shoulder for quick retrieval?
Looks like they’re going to try and sell an amnesty deal for a couple million more illegals. Adding the caveat, that future immigration will depend on the skills and education of the new immigrants. Guess they want to get people over here who will also do the jobs that professional Americans do. Get all the bases covered.
J M Walker,
Thank you for the links, which had some info I hadn’t seen.
Republican,
You seem unable to understand climate science, “global”, and that global warming is a slow, long-term trend.
Interior sections of the Antarctic are getting warmer.
Two groups of Canadian Polar bears were severely reduced by hunting, but are now increasing due to HUNTING restrictions.
But reduction of sea ice is a serious problem for other populations.’Climate myths: Polar bear numbers are increasing’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11656
Todays “plankton in the oceans near Alaska” is irrelevant to decreased phytoplankton worldwide (and lower CO2 absorption) as the oceans warm.
Republican: “Average temperature of oceans in Southern Hemisphere is declining!”
False. It just is not warming as fast as oceans such as the North Atlantic. The northern latitudes are warming fastest because they have more land, and land warms faster than oceans.
And WHERE did you get the TOTALLY brain-dead idea that “water vapor” (WV) is not put in the climate models?
Doing that, like a sharp drop in CO2, would cause the models to predict ‘ice ages’.
Scientists are uncertain how much positive feedback WV will have when Earth’s climate warms — so some models are run with the effect of WV held constant.
Those runs probably UNDER-estimate the warming that human-added GHG’s will cause.