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Cincinnati Enquirer, Thursday, May 10, 2007http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070510/COL05/705100319/1009/col05
Planned Parenthood looked the other way, Mason (OH) rape victim says
It was one of the worst cases of child abuse Warren County Prosecutor Rachel Hutzel has ever seen – and she has seen a few.
“I thought I would get held in contempt of court because I argued it so vigorously in court,” she said, still outraged by the case eight months later. “The father was basically treating his daughter like she was his wife.”
John Blanks Jr. of Mason was sentenced to five years – one year in prison for every year he molested his daughter, beginning when she was 13. “She had to get up out of his bed in the morning and go to school, if you can imagine what that was like,” Hutzel said.
In May 2006, the girl told a Mason High School official what was going on. “She finally decided she wasn’t going to take it anymore and she didn’t want her sibling to become a victim,” Hutzel said.
Now the girl says in a lawsuit filed Wednesday that the abuse could have been stopped earlier. In November 2004, when she was 16, the girl was forced by her father to have an abortion. She reported the abuse at the Planned Parenthood abortion clinic in Cincinnati, her lawyer says.
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Attorney General Paul Morrison continues looking the other way (a month ago he needed a few more weeks on those 30 charges). Sedgwick County District Attorney Nola Foulston continues looking the other way. The Wichita Eagle and its editorial board continue looking the other way. The Kansas City Star and their editorial board continue looking the other way. Most in the Kansas press continue looking the other way.
Who will help the young girl child-rape victims in Kansas? Why doesn’t child rape get more people outraged in Kansas? We should all be ashamed that nothing is being done to help similar child rape victims in Kansas.
House Democrats Want More Answers From Alberto Gonzales About Attorney Firings…
As I said before – they got nothing.
It’s all about camera time – has nothing to do with Justice.
Democrats putting on their circus dog acts.
Pres Bush admires Saddam style of governing such as killing people that get in the corporate way. Over 600,000 dead Iraq people so it appears as though our President subscribes to the Saddam point of view which is not acceptable diplomacy. Iraq was in no position to attack the USA and did not attack the USA. Pre-emption obviously is a failed policy. The ability to carry on with these types of actions by a President of the USA needs to be reconsidered. There was never any evidence to support this attack.
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/reconstructindex.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1681119,00.html
Very interesting links Heckler. It makes the democrats look very, very petty when they deny the troops the mere pittance that the president has asked for to make a ‘political statement.
They approve general Patraeus as the overall Iraq commander then refuse to fund him.
Here’s a question for you to put the cost of the war in perspective:
What was the overall cost of 9/11 on our economy and how does that compare to the cost of the Iraq war?
Hank
“What was the overall cost of 9/11 on our economy and how does that compare to the cost of the Iraq war?”
What’s the cost of the hoover dam compared to the Iraq war? My comparison makes about as much since as yours.
Cost Risk Analysis Morg?
What is the cost of your personal vehicle compared to the cost of the highway you drive on?
What is the cost of the Kansas Highway Patrol and the various police departments throughout the state to keep those highways safe?
What is it worth to you Morg to have 911 service in your area?
Is Hank trying the old Bush tact, mention 9/11 and Iraq in the same sentence? Do it enough times and they become synonomous?
So the relationship were exploring this morning is: By being in Iraq no one else will fly two american aircraft into the World Trade Center? By not doing so it will result in cost saving of X compared to the cost of the Iraq war.What”s the replacement cost on one infantry man? I need that so I can continue my calculations.
A pair of boots, by George.
KSMeadowlark – Morrison has NO jurisdiction in Ohio.
Hey, the Greensburg residents and helpers have pretty much agreed it was a real honor to meet President Bush.
Many said it actually lifted the whole town’s spirit.
I wonder if the libbies here will give him credit for that.
Or if they’ll just dig up more mud to sling.
lol
Morg,
What do you expect to achieve with balance sheet politics? As you pointed out yesterday, there are events in the U.S. that are far more deadly than what is occurring to our military in Iraq.
Is the standard of “death” the only category used when analyzing a situation?
At the beginning of all of this “War on Terror” President Bush warned that this is a long term process and it won’t be easy.
It appears that we have more people in the U.S. that want to withdraw into their own tortoise shells rather than having a conviction to see the National Policy of the U.S. through.
This waffling makes us look stupid, not what President Bush has done.
If the Democrats gets their way, no longer will any country trust us to come to their aid. No country will ever again look on the U.S. as a country of conviction that means what is says.
Perhaps the next capital murder case, the Prosecuting Attorney can say to the Judge, “Sorry, I’m going home Judge, I cannot see another person dieing.”
Let’s break down into a country of appeasement and waffle Diplomacy?
There appear to be a whole lot of “Go home prosecutors” these days than those who stand for Justice and the venerable American stance to spread Democracy and removing cruel Dictators.
I’m sure glad a lot of these people were not around in the Cold War or we’d all be speaking Russian. Thank God for people like Ronald Reagan.
“It makes the democrats look very, very petty when they deny the troops the mere pittance that the president has asked for to make a ‘political statement.”
It’s pretty much a bi partisan effort in denying the troops a “mere pittance”.
Last year DoD requested a 2.7% pay raise, approved by the Senate, and the House knocked it down to 2.2%.
In an emergency appropriatins bill early last year, Congress approved removing 2 billion from the Military Personnel Budget …
In the Clinton presidency any DoD budget cuts had to come with the approval of a Republican Congress??
Lack of Congressional oversight led to the conditions at Walter Reed. But that was pretty much an exception to the generally excellent care our troops and veterans get through the VA etc ….. in spite of budget cuts to that system over the decades ….
… sounds pretty bi partisan …..
This “libbie” is well pleased the residents of Greensburg, along with workers helping them, had their spirits lifted!
Repub.,Actually the Saudi King broke the back of the Soviet empire. He did it by flooding the world market with oil. This starved Russia for hard liquid assets. The strain of Afghanistan and Saint rayguns arms race was the straw that broke the camels back.But raygun did sucessfully conquer Granada.
How does 600 thousand dead from collateral damage count as a humanitarian mission? If I was a third world country I would be very leary of US help.
I’m glad you’re glad, Linda. Am I’m glad to see you back.
It’s been too long.
Meadowlark you’re such a Lying infected sebaceous pustule on the scrotum of humanity. You know FULL well that all of the reports were made in Kansas. And it sounds like you only read the side you were hoping was true in the OH case.
Well of course Bush made them feel lifted. They’re mostly conservatives there. That’s like saying Pat Robertson lifts his people-but it doesn’t mean he’s actually good for them.
PM – they felt better. Why begrudge them that?
Be happy.
Linda was quite gracious about it.
These folks have been through hell recently. The visit from a President of the US is a big thing. It always has been. It gave the residents a chance to turn their emotions away from the despair and destruction for a few hours.
No matter how you try to degrade that – it’s all good.
“We should all be ashamed that nothing is being done to help similar child rape victims in Kansas.”
You know this how, exactly?
All you need to know about Republican is that he believes that if we hadn’t resisted the USSR the way we did in the Cold War, we’d all be speaking Russian.
This is the same USSR that couldn’t defeat the Chechyns and lost to the Taliban in Afghanistan.
But thank God we spent TENS OF TRILLIONS of dollars preventing them from taking over AMERICA.
Cue the national anthem . . .
Lord, what fools these mortals be.
GS–
The OFFICE of the presidency still holds the people’s respect, no matter how the last two office holders have demeaned it.
Now for something really important.
You remember how the myopic keep saying that the obvious collusion between big business, government and media is just a “left-wing conspiracy theory?”
Heh. So how to explain this:
“CBS fires Gen. Batiste over VoteVets ad.Iraq veteran Gen. John Batiste ‘has been asked to leave his position as a consultant to CBS News’ over a new VoteVets ad criticizing the Iraq war.”
Hmmm . . . the good General is allowed to have any position as long as doesn’t conflict with the President’s . . .
A before the reich-wing jumps on the man’s “objectivity,” please keep in mind all the generals and retired generals who had nothing but praise for the invasion and occupation of Iraq that the American people were subjected to leading up to the Iraq quagmire.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/10/cbs-fires-gen-batiste-over-votevets-ad
Capn,I think the firing lends more closely to the Imus firing than being on message with the Prez. In my mind, ABC found that the VetVote spot may have adversely impacted a large enough segment of viewers/listeners/advertisers that the decision was made on a business level.
Aside from Fox News (and not even all of them) I don’t hear ANY MS outlets singing GWs praises. Quite the opposite.
The difference, Sol, is that what Imus said was a despicable cheap-shot.
What General Batiste says is clearly the truth.
CBS could take a principled stance if they wanted to . . .
Nah, they’d rather keep all the people who were WRONG about Iraq on the payroll.
“The difference, Sol, is that what Imus said was a despicable cheap-shot.What General Batiste says is clearly the truth.”
Both matters of opinion Capn. And by stating the second as a could be co notated as a lie.
I was not offended by what Imus said, did not find it despicable, and I bet dollars to doughnuts neither did the basketball players until it became a media circus. It wasn’t appropriate, but Imus’s words alone had zero impact on ANYONE’s life.
Point being, it was a matter of perspective. The media told you to be mad about it so you were (my opinion). CBS might have felt that the Gen’s message might have had the same impact.
Here’s one for you Capn, find some examples that CBS has shown any other view point other than the message the good Gen put out there.
And by stating the second as a could be co notated as a lie.= And by stating the second as a *fact* could be co notated as a lie.
Remember all those reich-wingers who DEMAND! photo ids to stop voter fraud?
Because somebody could put down a phony address and vote in a different district if they wanted to–and that would be voter fraud, right?
I guess that’s really, really bad to right-wing-nuts.
Unless of course, your name is Ann Coulter.
Enjoy . . .
Friday, May 11, 2007
Conservative pundit Ann Coulter has been cleared of allegations that she falsified her Palm Beach County voter’s registration and voted illegally — this, after a high-level FBI agent made unsolicited phone calls to the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office to vouch for Coulter.
The caller wasn’t just any G-man. According to PBSO documents, he was Supervisory Special Agent Jim Fitzgerald, of the FBI Academy’s Behavioral Analysis Unit in Quantico, Va. — the closest reality gets to the serial-killer catchers on CBS’ Criminal Minds.
So why would an FBI profiler who went after the Unabomber take time from his busy day to even think about a municipal election snafu?
Fitzgerald is mum. But when the bureau heard about this from Page Two, it immediately launched an internal review of the agent’s involvement.
“We’re looking into it,” bureau spokeswoman Ann Todd said.
She declined to say whether Fitzgerald acted on his personal behalf or as an FBI agent or on someone else’s orders.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2007/05/11/m2a_jose_col_0511.html
AMEN to that Capn!!
“Here’s one for you Capn, find some examples that CBS has shown any other view point other than the message the good Gen put out there.”
Good Giddling GOSH, man! Are you kidding me?!
Trying to find evidence that CBS way overemphasized the “gung ho go to war” view is like trying to find fresh manure in a barnyard.
You can’t help but step in it.
I don’t have time to research this right now–but a good starting point would be to look at the guests CBS’s Tim Russert’s Meet the Press has had on.
They are overwhelmingly Republican.
CBS has said that’s because the Republicans were in the majority in government, but since November when the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress, Republicans STILL predominate on Russert’s show . . .
ALSO, to your Ann Coulter bit, Capn… And hey, anybody notice that Ms. Coulter has a rather prominent Adam’s Apple?? Not very many “real” women have one of those. Did you ever wonder….???
Ummm Capn — Slight correction… Tim Russert is on NBC.. not CBS… other than that you are right on target!!
Right on target? I just surfed CBS News and found NOTHING positive about the war or the prez.
Sol — With regards to the War, I should hope that there is nothing positive… About the only place that has that is Faux Nooz… and I think they are PAID to report that….
Chas.–
Thanks for the correction. Actually, they’re all the same to me. I can’t see a dime’s worth of difference between the “big three” network’s news.
As far as Mann Coulter, uh, yeah, there’s been a lot of speculation on that. Apparently, no one’s been able to find evidence of a girl born at the hospital on the day she said she was born there.
But she also lies about her age on legal documents, so it’s hard to say . . .
“Trying to find evidence that CBS way overemphasized the “gung ho go to war” view is like trying to find fresh manure in a barnyard.”
Posted by: CapnAmerica | May 11, 2007 at 11:34 AM
Sol — With regards to the War, I should hope that there is nothing positive… About the only place that has that is Faux Nooz… and I think they are PAID to report that….Posted by: Chas. | May 11, 2007 at 11:50 AM
So which is it? CBS is pro Bush and fired the general for speaking against the prez? Or CBS wants money and viewers and shies from what might drive viewers and $$$ away?
Gee Capn… If “she” cant provide birth records, you think she is LEGALLY eligible to work in the United States?? Ha Ha!!
Maybe she is an un-documented worker??? Ha Ha!!
Wonder how grateful Greensburgh residents would have been had they read the article that Bush says he’ll veto bill that grants 3.5 bil in disaster aid to farmers, for losses since 2005?
“All you need to know about Republican is that he believes that if we hadn’t resisted the USSR the way we did in the Cold War, we’d all be speaking Russian.” -Capn A..
Well, obviously you are baiting Republican into a discussion that you are prepared for. I gotta hear this.
So Capn A..; you think that resisting the USSR was the wrong thing to do? You don’t think that Communism was a threat? That when the walls came tumbling down that wasn’t a victory for the free countries of the world?
You know, the more I see of what you write, the more I recall that you are a socialist. So lay it on us Capn A…, why was resisting the USSR, and obtaining a bloodless victory as we did, a bad thing?
The soviet union decayed from the inside, nothing to do with Reagan. And, unless Reagan secretly fostered the Russian citizens rising up against the govt., he should be given little if any credit.
I wasn’t aware the terrorist attack foiled at ft. Dix, was the result of paid informants. Are we being thrown another “curveball”?
Morg,
You do realize that the 600,000 dead in Iraq figures are from some statistical extractions by some university group. Both the U.S. military and the Iraqi government calculate about 40-60,000 dead since the start of the war.
As I’ve previously mentioned on the Iraqi war dead, there is a motive for Iraqi’s to lie about their dead. It is an Arab custom to be compensated for each family member death. Fake death certificates abound in Iraq.
Yes, Ive heard that. Of course had the USSR been able to extend their empire, it could have been a different outcome. And having to put their resources into the arms race, as we forced them to do, facilitated that collapse.
“Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall”!
BREAKING NEWS:IRAN AND NORTH KOREA HAVE AGREED TO COOPERATION.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070511/ts_nm/iran_northkorea_dc
Looks like another problem for Prez Shrub and company.
Fort Dix suspects are held without bail By GEOFF MULVIHILL, Associated press Writer1 hour, 12 minutes ago
CAMDEN, N.J. – Six men arrested this week and charged with plotting to massacre soldiers at Fort Dix were ordered held without bail on Friday.
ADVERTISEMENTProsecutors argued that the men, all born outside the United States, pose a flight risk.
The men — four of them ethnic Albanians from the former Yugoslavia, one from Jordan and one from Turkey — have been held at a federal detention center in Philadelphia since their arrest Monday night.
Five of the men are charged with conspiring to kill uniformed military personnel, an offense punishable by life in prison. They are Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, 22; Serdar Tatar, 23; Dritan “Anthony” or “Tony” Duka, 28; Shain Duka, 26; and Eljvir “Elvis” Duka, 23,
Agron Abdullahu, 24, is charged with helping illegal immigrants obtain weapons, and could face 10 years in prison if convicted.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephen Stigall argued against letting Shnewer be released on bail to the custody of his parents while awaiting trial.
“The problem with this package is that the actions that are alleged were going on at that house,” he said.
Friends and relatives of Shnewer offered to post several properties they own worth a total of about $600,000 as collateral to support bail for him.
A more detailed bail hearing will be held next Thursday for Abdullahu, who faces the least serious charges of the six.
Authorities say the men were preparing to buy automatic weapons to use in an attack on Fort Dix when they were arrested. They targeted the Army post, which is 25 miles east of Philadelphia and primarily used to train reservists, partly because one of them had delivered pizzas there and was familiar with the base, according to court filings. The objective: to kill “as many American soldiers as possible.”
The men, all in their 20s, have lived in and around Philadelphia for years, worshipped at moderate mosques, have family members close by and worked blue-collar jobs installing roofs, driving a cab, delivering pizzas and baking bread.
Defense lawyers for some of the men said they are considering attacking the prosecution’s heavy reliance on two paid informants who infiltrated the group more than a year ago and recorded conversations with the defendants.
Attorney Rocco Cipparone, who is representing defendant Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, whom he described as a “hardworking cab driver,” said he’ll look into “the role of paid informants and how aggressive they were in potentially prodding or moving things along.”
Authorities said they first learned about the men in January 2006 after a tip from a clerk at a Mount Laurel electronics store. The clerk called local police because a home video the men wanted transferred to a DVD looked like it might have terrorist links, U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said.
Earlier this year, authorities said, the men took a training trip to the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania, where they fired weapons and played paintball to prepare for an attack.
Goes to show you how dumb terrorists really are.
Attack civilians….nope
Go to the Army base where they have lots of weapons to shoot back at us. Great idea!
IDIOTS!
“The men, all in their 20s, have lived in and around Philadelphia for years, worshipped at moderate mosques, have family members close by and worked blue-collar jobs installing roofs, driving a cab, delivering pizzas and baking bread.”———
Heaven forbid we should profile these guys.
TEHRAN (Reuters) -Iran andNorth Korea have agreed to step up bilateral contacts, an Iranian news agency said on Friday, signaling closer ties between two countries which were part of U.S.President George W. Bush’s “axis of evil.”ADVERTISEMENT
Iran’s Foreign Minister Manoucher Mottaki signed the agreement with visiting North Korean Vice Foreign Minister Kim Yong-il on Thursday evening, the student news agency ISNA said.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s government “is interested in expanding ties with North Korea in the political, economical and cultural fields,” Mottaki was quoted as saying.
“Therefore it is necessary to remove some barriers to provide and recognize new fields of cooperation,” he said, suggesting North Korea’s debt to Iran was one such barrier without giving details.
Under Thursday’ accord, the foreign ministries of the two countries would every year send delegations to each other to “exchange ideas” over different international issues.
Bush branded the two countries as well asIraq as part of an “axis of evil” after he took office in 2001.
Since then, Iran has defied Western pressure to suspend its nuclear program, which the West fears is aimed at making atom bombs, a charge Tehran denies.
North Korea drew international condemnation when it conducted its first nuclear test in October, but agreed in February this year to shut its nuclear facilities in return for energy aid
If only we had a diplomat in the White House this might not make me so nervous.
Reich Wingers…..any thoughts?
“Heaven forbid we should profile these guys.”
If it makes you feel safer go ahead and do it. It will just lie in an immense file that contains all the domestic and international communications. Please analyze what you have first before you pursue more information.Please think ahead alittle bit before you piss away more of my tax dollars.
Since there is never any opportunity to refute Mr. McCormicks “opinion pieces” either on line or in the paper, I am taking the opportunity here.1) Either McCormick is ignorant of the English language or he has an agenda (that is in no way hidden and is supported by the management at the Eagle). No where in the E-mail that he quoted did the NRA support rumors that were already circulating. In contrast, they said that they were aware of the rumors and were going to investigate them. What a terrible thing. They were planning to do what “investigative reporters” used to do.
Today of course, many reporters rely on their own perceptions, instead of actually finding out the facts. Because the email came from the NRA it is discarded or worse, a cause for alarm. I wonder if this email had come from the ACLU what the reaction might have been.
2) The quote from a “reasonable individual” said that at a time of disaster is the worse time to have an armed citizenry. What do you think people own guns for? To protect themselves? It is at a time of chaos and danger that owning a firearm can make the difference between living and dying. New Orleans was not that long ago. People were being killed in the streets, preyed upon by members of their own neighborhoods, race, political affiliation, and socio-economic groups. Maybe some of those who died in the chaos after the hurricane would still be alive. Maybe businesses who lost everything could have protected their goods. Maybe the police wouldn’t have had to dodge the bullets of the bad guys if some of the good guys had had the power to assist them.
Mr. McCormick this is a conservative state and area. We believe in the 2nd amendment. If you don’t maybe it would be better if you found a job in a large city where the majority of people feel as you do. This can’t be comfortable for you either, but the fact is most of us have more confidence in the NRA than we do in the Governor, City or County leadership.
Hmmm maybe thats just what the NRA wants… enough support from gun totin locals, to mount an over throw of the government??
Nra is against a ban on terrorist being able to buy guns. Guess they don’t want the ‘no fly’ list to apply to the ‘no gun’ list.
If the ‘terrorist’ confessed after being subjected to ‘alternative interrogation’, the prosecutor wouldn’t want me on the jury!
“Nra is against a ban on terrorist being able to buy guns.”
Bullshit!
Do yo beleive every piece of liberal propaganda that comes around?
Hank
Hank – the Democrats did not offer a mere pittance in military funding. In fact, it was reported, that the Democrats actually gave Bush MORE funds than what he asked for.
Unfortunately, your beloved leader Bush, does not want to be questioned about his handling of this insane Iraq War and chooses to veto the bill and then has the audacity to turn around and call the Democrats traitors for not wanting to fund the war.
The funds are there and even MORE funds than what Bush asked for. The Democrats do not want to pull the funding from the troops but they do expect Bush to be accountable for the funds that are given (accountability is something the Republicans in the last 6 years has NEVER required of Bush or any other Republican that lined their own pockets with millions)
I thought the GOP party was for morals, integrity, honesty, accountability and responsibility?
If so, prove it by joining in with the majority that wants Bush to be held accountable for his decisions in handling the Iraq War. If you don’t believe in holding Bush accountable, then don’t be surprised when the Republicans lose more power in the Congress in 2008.
70% of the American people have an unfavorable opinion of George W. Bush. And, we are living in a democracy where the majority wins.
Cat what I don’t want to see whether it is a democratic or republican congress is congress running a war. They are not trained for it, it is purely political, no war decision should be made because of popular opinion and it is just a very bad president to set.
And by the way we don’t live in a democracy. We live in a republic where we elect leaders to make decisions for us and the prez trumps the congress.
70% of the news polls account for President falling out of favor. News polls are notoriously wrong. Remember when Gore was announced as President according to exit Polls?
Polls continue urban myth and legend likes it’s a newsworthy story.
Just like the Iraqi statisticians who state that 600,000 Iraqi’s died since the start of the war.
They didn’t actually count or even see any bodies except for a tiny percent. They polled their way to a dead body count, which by the way is off bay a factor of 10 at least.
“the prez trumps the congress”
Not necessarily. We have three CO-EQUAL branches. If the Congress chooses to represent their constituents and not fund Bush’s war without conditions I guess he can hold a bake sale.
Naw Ben, if push comes to shove he will do as I predicted. He will close unnecessary agencies like NASA except for their satellite division and the EPA, housing and etc.
Republican – that will be fun to watch!
Maybe the polls would have to work overtime in that case. :)
Dear cat,
Is it your irrational hatred for Bush that makes you a liar or do you come by it naturally?
“. . .call the Democrats traitors for not wanting to fund the war.”
I must have missed that news conference.
“70% of the American people have an unfavorable opinion of George W. Bush. And, we are living in a democracy where the majority wins.”
So what? Have you seen the approval ratings of congress lately?
What do approval ratings have to do with anything? The poll taken in November every two years is the only one that matters. Unless the democratic nominee for president comes up with an issue other than bashing Bush they’ll lose another one. Bush isn’t running.
Hank
The surveyors put Iraq’s prewar mortality rate at 5.5 deaths per 1,000 people per year. In the post-invasion period, according to the survey, the rate grew to 13.3 deaths per 1,000 people per year. The surveyors used the difference between these rates to calculate deaths that were not brought on by natural causes. The survey suggests that of more than 650,000 Iraqis who died since 2003, 601,000 were killed since the war began. Polling experts supported the methods used by the surveyors.
“The sampling is solid. The methodology is as good as it gets,” said John Zogby, whose Utica, N.Y.-based polling agency, Zogby International, has done several surveys in Iraq since the war began. “It is what people in the statistics business do.”
Zogby said similar survey methods have been used to estimate casualty figures in other conflicts, such as Darfur and the Democratic People’s Republic of Congo.
Ronald Waldman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University who worked at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for many years, told the Washington Post the survey method was “tried and true.” He said that “this is the best estimate of mortality we have.”
Frank Harrell Jr., chairman of the biostatistics department at Vanderbilt University, told the Associated Press the study incorporated “rigorous, well-justified analysis of the data.”
“Actually the Saudi King broke the back of the Soviet empire. He did it by flooding the world market with oil. This starved Russia for hard liquid assets. The strain of Afghanistan and Saint rayguns arms race was the straw that broke the camels back.But raygun did sucessfully conquer Granada.”
.morg,
Have you been reading Armed Madhouse, by chance?
Hank – approval ratings for Congress have gone way up since the last election.
“and it is just a very bad president to set.”
That much it true.
And the president does not trump Congress – it is three equal branches of the government – as the Constitution prescribes.
Want to bet, Ben?
Hank
Well WS if that is the case, Why aren’t the military on their way home?
I am reading a book that I would highly recommend. It is:
Jackson, B. & Jamieson, K.H. (2007). _unSpun: Finding facts in a world of disinformation_. New York: Random House Trade Paperback
The chapter I am reading now explains how heuristics (cognitive rules of thumb) guide our thinking and evaluation processes. I knew I had them, but the extent to which they guide my thinking was revealed to me.
The information in this book also has helped me see how I have incorrectly evaluated posters here. As part of my bias, I think that people who have been to college naturally _know_ the wisdom of the liberal world view. Based on that belief, people here whom I believed went to college and posted the conservative line had to know that what they were doing was wrong and dishonest. I see now that conservative posters believe their biases in the same way I do, and hence the idea of “wrongness” doesn’t come into the picture.
Another fascinating thing about this book — it confirms my bias that Bush is a master of manipulation and deception. What surprised me were the many examples the authors provided of Bush being a hapless victim of these same strategies I saw him perpetrating.
GMC70 comes as close to being an objective person than many on the right side of things here. I believe he is able to see how his biases affect his judgements. Given that he is able to do this, but still holds his biases, makes me skeptical that many other conservative posters will change their minds much. And, the same can be said for liberal posters.
WASHINGTON –Public approval for Congress is at its highest level in a year as Democrats mark 100 days in power and step up their confrontation with President Bush over his handling of the Iraq War, the issue that overshadows all others.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/04/09/ap_poll_congress_approval_up/
Forty percent of those surveyed said they approve the job Congress is doing, up from 25 percent approval registered for the Republican majority in the weeks leading to last fall’s elections. Disapproval of Congress totals 57 percent.
Still low but higher than Bush.
ksgrm: The Constitution of THIS Republic gives Congress the right to declare War… NOT the President… And if a Republic is so darned good for US, why is Bush promoting a democracy in Iraq?? Is that a smoke screen for oil, or what??
To one of you others… The polls give Congress great positive results since the November election… Where have some of you people been?? Hiding under fear mongering rocks??
The Bush administration has not been conservative on economy AT ALL… Our economy is in great danger of failing, in spite of what you see on Wall Street… Check out Detroit, and other major goods producers… BUSH is responsible for the irrational spending in the past 7 years… And dont say it was Clinton’s fault!! That is such a lame duck excuse for everything you reich wingers come up with!! BUSH is responsible for the economic disaster… BUSH and his beloved WAR…. Support our troops… BRING THEM HOME NOW!!!
By the way the congress that promised us the moon in the first 100 days is setting at 36.9% as of 5/9/07. What Happened??
http://bp3.blogger.com/_MRs_Nt465oE/RkTERLttkvI/AAAAAAAABEM/23d4HQSd714/s1600-h/CongApprovalLongTerm20070509.png
Congress ratings have gone up, but I wouldn’t say “way” up. Before the elections weren’t their approval ratings under 30%, but they are now around 35% – if memory is serving me correctly.
Chas could you give those of us who think the economy is moving right along what you are basing your dismal forcast on? Home ownership at highest level ever, minority homeowners at highest rate ever, unemployment setting at a rate that to some economists would call full employment. Not sure what I should look at. Can you help me out?
ksgrm – Congress never “promised the moon”; they simply said the House would pass a number of things. They did. I think the media misled people into thinking that Bush would cooperate in a bi-partisan manner.
Sorry, I was composing while those before me were posting – did not mean to be redundant.
“Well WS if that is the case, Why aren’t the military on their way home?”
Huh? I guess that three EQUAL part of the government sort of threw you.
They will be coming home soon – they will start as soon as Bush signed the appropriate bill that the Congress passed to fund the troops.
Wait! You mean Bush vetoed a bill to fund the troops?
That treasonous bastard! How dare he let down our fighting men and women?!?!
Well, the situation in Detroit is horrible with the car makers… as for unemployment, the only reason the numbers are down, is because of all the millions who have run out of benefits, and no longer are on the list… and as for home ownership… It’s one thing to BUY a house… its quite another to be able to PAY for the house, and utilities, and taxes, and insurance, etc., etc.
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=22435
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/BO51857/
http://www.aolelectionsblog.com/2007/04/09/gallup-poll-bush-approval-rising-congress-still-lower/
Other evidence of the economy’s problems:1) housing prices are stagnant to going down;2) when you look at median wages, the share going to middle class workers has consistently reduced over the 6 years of the Bush presidency; mean wages have gone up, but that measure of central tendency is influenced by outliers (such as the relatively few wealthy people).3) Gas is currently over $3.00 – can you imagine what we’ll see if this is a bad hurricane year?
Interesting …
April 17, 2006Congress Approval at 12-Year LowRating slipped four percentage points since MarchBEFORE the election.
An AP-Ipsos poll also found that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a more popular figure than the president and her colleagues on Capitol Hill, though she faces a gender gap in which significantly more women than men support her.
Gallup Poll: Bush Approval Rising, Congress’ Still Lower
The title of this post is what the title of the article at Gallup relaying the latest poll numbers should be. Instead, the article is titled Bush, Congress Approval Ratings Edge Up Slightly. Both approval ratings are dismal: Bush is at 38%, and Congress is at 33%.
I find Gallup’s pegging Bush at 38% surprising; most polls I have seen put him at under 30.
Not really surprising that Congress is still low (but higher than 2006 above) – after all, nearly half of them are still Republicans and they have blocked any action.
Excellent Hank! I’ll post the text from the AOLBlog you posted.
Gallup Poll: Bush Approval Rising, Congress’ Still Lower
Posted Apr 9th 2007 12:17PM by Patrick CaseyFiled under: Polls, President Bush, CongressThe title of this post is what the title of the article at Gallup relaying the latest poll numbers should be. Instead, the article is titled Bush, Congress Approval Ratings Edge Up Slightly. Both approval ratings are dismal: Bush is at 38%, and Congress is at 33%.
An interesting part of the analysis is the approval numbers from Democrats about Congress now that their own party controls both the House and the Senate. That’s only at 43%.
One of the problems with all polling (especially Gallup, but even from a firm I like such as Rasmussen) is that it is more of an assessment of how people perceive the news than what is actually happening on the ground. If all you see is bad news about a particular subject, then the public opinion will probably be dismal. It cries out to be manipulated. After all, what is a “focus group,” that famous method of governing used by the Clintons and the Democrats, other than a glorified version of polling.
Everything that the media is doing today should mean that the title of my post, and that of the Gallup article, should be – “Bush Approval Plummets, Congressional Approval Now Twice the President’s”.
With the media being what it is, and the Democrats going full throttle after the president, especially with this U.S. attorneys debacle, I would have though that the president’s approval ratings would be way down and the Democrats’ way up. That it is not, and the fact that Congress’ approval ratings still are below the president’s should be a warning to Democrats — they’re not getting their money’s worth from the media.
Just goes to show how polls can be biased and every other poll shows a different outcome.
bah Ben, you got your cheap shot in before I did. :)
This is more interesting and contains less biased language than the AOL article:
http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27154
Presume you all can follow links, so I won’t cut and paste it for you.
I do believe homeownership is falling.
Rising foreclosures have widespread fallout
Filings in the U.S. were up 47% in March from a year ago, leaving a wake of vacant homes and overgrown yards for state and local governments to contend with. Even lenders are trying to help troubled borrowers.By Melinda Fulmer© BananaStock/SuperStock
* Table: State-by-state foreclosures rates* MSN Money: Facing foreclosure? 9 options* When mortgage firms don’t play fair
The number of foreclosure filings — from default notices to repossessions — continued to surge in March, increasing 47% from the same period a year earlier and 7% from February. The 149,150 filings represent a foreclosure rate of one in every 775 households, according to Irvine, Calif.-based RealtyTrac.
The March increase in foreclosures bucks the historical trend, lenders say. Typically, foreclosure activity declines in March, as more homeowners use tax refunds to bail themselves out of mortgage shortfalls caused by job loss, health problems or divorce.
But this year, industry insiders and economists expect it only to get worse, as more adjustable-rate mortgages reset and borrowers with risky loans continue to falter.
“I don’t think we’ve hit the bottom
REP: The ratings TODAY showed bush approval at LESS than 30%… Your “post” here is from APRIL 9!!! Come on, dude, get with REALITY… I know thats hard for some of you reich wingers… but do try??
If you take into account the margin of error (or confidence interval estimates) Bush and congress approvals are actually in a statistical dead heat. It is possible that the true score of approval for Bush is 35% and that for congress could be 36%. (this is when the + or – of theoretical error is applied).
I think both Democrats and Republicans should be worried.
Steven, are you looking at today’s approval ratings?? Or the ratings from April that REP posted??
Nicki,I used to hang out at Kevin Drums “Political Animal” pretty lively stuff we frequently took apart Rayguns excellant world tour 80-88. But I’ll check your guy out looks interesting.
What I like about the polls is that for six years the only headlines you see are about Bush’s poll numbers either dropping or being the lowest ever. If Bush started out his presidency woth 100% and lost half a point every time I saw a new headline about his numbers dropping he would be in negative numbers now.
Congress is now at their lowest approval rating since 1994. Again, so what?
If you’re going to hammer Bush with poll numbers, don’t put your hammer up untill you take a shot at congress.
Hank
Your link is for April Steven. 32 news cycles since then!
Hank
And let’s not forget, Hank, for the last 6 years, Congress has been controlled by Republicans. Any way you try to spin these poll numbers, the Republicans are the losers big time.
Right Hank… $9 Trillion DEBT, WAY over spent budgets, an unpopular WAR… Economic problems… Republicans in sex scandals… Administration officials the objects of investigations… Yep, those things will sure knock hell out of approval ratings…
But, you know what?? Even with all the reich wing asault on Bill Clinton, HIS approval numbers are STILL high to this day!!
Sooo put that in the old political smokin pipe and see what you get…
Yea, Hank, what CAT said too!!
Steven I couldn’t agree with you more. Neither party has the confidence of the voting public. The next few months will be very telling.
Morg the forclosure picture is also very telling and it was brought about by people thinking that they could get into a house they couldn’t afford, make payments for two years that didn’t even cover the interest on the loan and then when the loan was adjusted as all ARMs are they could no longer afford the house. Whose fault is this? Can we lay any of this on whatever prez is in office or should the blame fall back on the companies who lure in mortgage holders and promise them something that can never be. Of course the companies are helping to remedy the situation. They built it. One major company has already bit the dust and the rest of the fringe lenders are on the edge.
Hardly a political problem unless it is because we have raised many in a culture that says you can have whatever you want but forget to tell them that they will have to pay in the end.
Chas you might ask yourself how many headlines you have see about Feinstein who gave her husband BILLIONS in no bid contracts and how many you saw about Duke Cunningham who took 2.6 millions in bribes?
How many headlines about William ‘Cold Cash’ Jefferson and how many you saw about Bob Ney?
Then ask yourself why Clinton still is thought of as a Golden Boy. Could be media Bias!! Do you think. If you hear it everyday it must be true and if you never hear it, there must be nothing to it.
Every thing Clinton did while he was president was controlled by his poll numbers.
As a result, they stayed high. So what?
Other than Carter, Clinton was the sorriest president in the 20th century.
Hank
ksgrm – when did PRESIDENT Feinstein give those contracts?
Now who has a credibility problem?
The attack on the USS Cole took place on October 12, 2000.
Mrs. KSGrm uses the Cole incident as proof that Bill Clinton did nothing to fight terrorism, however, Mrs. KSGrm has a bit of a problem with credibility.
~snip~ In 1992 my son left the military after 10 years. He was a technician on a nuclear sub. After Clinton mothballed 2/3 of the entire fleet he couldn’t stay around any longer. He also couldn’t take the pay scales under Clinton and had no desire to raise his family on food stamps.
Posted by: ksgrm | May 08, 2007 at 04:08 PM
After that post, I pointed out to Mrs. KSGrm that Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas at that time (1992) and hardly had anything to do with the decommissioning of US Navy vessels or the pay scales.
~snip~ You know I was just talking to my son and I reported his departure date wrong. He left the Navy in 1994. I was working yesterday and blogging at the same time. ~snip~
Posted by: ksgrm | May 09, 2007 at 03:34 PM
Mrs. KSGrm’s story was a bit different back in February, however, because at that time she said that her son was stationed in the Gulf and the Navy knew that al Qaeda was behind the Cole attack.
~snip~ I’m not sure what the objection was to me saying my son was in the gulf during/after the USS Cole attack. You don’t even know him and you are attacking his credibility. He was on the USS Samuel Jackson. A nuclear sub which was redesigned to carry the Navy Seals. ~snip~
Posted by: ksgrm | February 06, 2007 at 05:01 PM
Of course, there is no US Navy submarine named after the actor Samuel L. Jackson. There was a nuclear submarine name the USS Stonewall Jackson, but it was decommissioned, and simultaneously struck from the Naval Register, 8 February 1995.
Obviously, Mrs. KSGrm’s story does not add up. I have no desire to make her look bad or duplicitous or to embarrass her, but she attacks Capn’, Mr. Davis and myself and our credibility at every turn, so turn about is just fair play.
“Of course, there is no US Navy submarine named after the actor Samuel L. Jackson.”
That would be stupid. It’s the USS LaToya Jackson. Or, maybe Tito. I forget.
No, it was MICHAEL Jackson!
“No, it was MICHAEL Jackson!”
That would make more sense.
The US Navy. Where 1,000 men go to sea and 500 couples return.
Iraqi Parliament Drafts Law Setting Timetable For U.S. Troops To Withdraw
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7007316112
May 11, 2007 1:57 p.m. EST
Linda Young – AHN Staff WriterBaghdad, Iraq (AHN) -
Even as a U.S. general is asking for more troops in Iraq, the Iraqi members of parliament are gathering signatures to boot American forces out.
The commander in charge of Iraq’s Diyala province on Friday said he needs more troops to curb escalating insurgent violence on the same day 144 members of Iraq’s 275-seat parliament signed a draft law that would set a timetable for a U.S. withdrawal.
Army Maj. Gen. Benjamin R. Mixon, commander of the 25th Infantry Division, said, “I do not have enough soldiers right now in Diyala province to get that security situation moving,” according to CNN. Although he didn’t specify whether he needs U.S. or Iraqi troops there, his requests for more troops have been ongoing and predate President Bush’s planned troop “surge.”
In the meantime, Iraqi MP Baha al-Aaraji, who supports radical anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, said he believed they had enough support to force a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq.Aaraji formed a committee, which he chairs and his committee requested that Iraq’s ministries of defense, interior and national security suggest a date their security forces will be ready to take charge of security operations now handled by U.S. troops.
Earlier this week Afghanistan’s upper parliament moved to oust U.S. troops from that nation when it passed a bill to establish a timetable for the U.S. to leave.
Did the “you peoples” on this blog madly email each other and come up with the three letter user name? Hmmm. That would equal L-I-B.
Hank,
Can you the NRA raise $1 from each of the 100 Million voters they claim to represent.
$100 Million in cash, that would be something to see.
Everyone else,
Why talk about Billy, when W is setting very low standards for the Presidency in this new century.
We’re going forward people, the past is over. Nothing in the economy is tied to Billy today.
Except the idea of balancing the federal budget and having a surplus of funds. The ideal for Presidents has been set that way.
Billy was flawed with some personal decisions he made.
He was a better President economically than both Reagan and Daddy Bush.
Reagan failed the Middle East, we’re still spending Billions today.
Reagan armed Afghanistan, then abandoned the country to civil wars, the Taliban won.
The biggest Middle East sin making Rumsfeld shake Saddam’s hand. That set America on this horrible path.
Who turned on the hatred from Bin Laden? Daddy Bush too cozy relationship with the Saudis.
Bin Laden’s older brother worked with W. in an Texas oil company.
Republicans shamed Billy so much with investigations, he couldn’t shoot missiles enough at Bin Laden without being ridiculed.
Newt Gingrich railed at Clinton mistress, had his own.
Republicans thought shooting a Bin Laden was a joke and distraction.
Tom Delay was a big screamer about that. Delay, that jackass tossed from Congress for ethics and money laundering problems. He ran out of Texas to hide!
Today’s politics matter domestically. Yesterdays wars in the Middle East still aren’t over because of bad Presidential blunders since 1983. 3 Republican Presidents, to one Democrat.
Stick to the failures of W. while soldiers die, many thousands injured.
W. has Presidential Historical History low polls.
“So Capn A..; you think that resisting the USSR was the wrong thing to do? You don’t think that Communism was a threat? That when the walls came tumbling down that wasn’t a victory for the free countries of the world?
“You know, the more I see of what you write, the more I recall that you are a socialist. So lay it on us Capn A…, why was resisting the USSR, and obtaining a bloodless victory as we did, a bad thing?”
1. I’m not afraid of wearing an unpopular label–I think it is fair to call me a “leftist political activist” in my own small, almost insignificant way.
But socialist, no. Particularly since majority of our income taxes go to paying for military “defense,” the biggest receiver of socialistic largesse in our country.
I do think that there are problems so big that only our national government is big enough to try to resolve them: global warming would be a good example.
2. Do I think “resisting” the Soviet Union was a bad thing to do? Yes.
More specifically, the WAY we opposed the Soviet Union way overstated the threat with the result that we poured money into the military to fight a nearly non-existant threat.
The idea that the same country that lost most of its men in Afghanistan to DISEASE posed a threat to the most powerful country of the free world is laughable.
If the Soviets took over the Sahara, there’d soon be a shortage of sand . . .
Meanwhile, as Carl Sagan used to point out, we spent enough on the Cold War to buy everything in the United States except for the land.
3. We acheived a “bloodless victory,” but at tremendous cost to the standard of living to America and the world. If we had invested even a small percentage of the political pork funneled from tax payers to fat-cat military contractors into alternative energy like nuclear fusion or education or medicine, we’d be far better off.
And, btw, the same thing is happening right now thanks to the godsend of “terrorism.” Funnel mom and pop’s money to Halliburton, Jocko, “cha-ching!”
Here is a good article for the Young Earth group.
Ancient star nearly as old as the universe – Scientists date alien sun HE 1523 at about 13.2 billion years old
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18612697/
The prez does not trump Congress. Congress allocates the funding for war and the president is in charge of managing the war.
the problem with the Bush Administration and the rest of the loyalist Republicans is the thinking that they are somehow more important than anyone else or anything else – namely the Constitution.
If Bush wants his funding for the war, then he needs to start taking some responsibility for his mismanagement of the Iraq War. He needs to start putting the needs of the country first for a change.
Has anybody seen the info coming out of Wayne Madsen’s blog? Apparently, he ran a story yesterday that he has three sources confirming that Dick Cheney is on the D.C. Madam list from his time at Halliburton. Madsen says that the reason that Brian Ross gave up his “exclusive” story and basically pulled a Geraldo and Al Capone’s vault is because Disney pulled the plug on the story. Interesting huh?
Ho ho . . . now that would be interesting, wouldn’t it?
Abstinence only is good enough for high school kids, but not good enough for a married man at a high level of the government . . .
I wonder if Bush will declare her an “enemy combatant.”
Gitmo for you Madam!!!
Wouldn’t surprise me Nicki – the corporate media is protective of the Bushies.
ksgrm,it”s getting interesting in the banking biz.
http://ml-implode.com/
Latest count of major US mortgage lenders that have croaked since late 2006:
(why?)67lenders have now gone kaput
My margin of error post was concerning the early April gallup poll results that Hank originally posted by way of his AOL link. I haven’t seen any more recent polling results.
Sorry, did not respond sooner, I was busy.
“Obviously, Mrs. KSGrm’s story does not add up. I have no desire to make her look bad or duplicitous or to embarrass her, but she attacks Capn’, Mr. Davis and myself and our credibility at every turn, so turn about is just fair play.”
I think rather than responding to her each time she does this, it would be better to let her posts stand on their own. Those of us who look into what she claims realize that often her assertions are pretty wobbly.
And, sometimes being attacked provides convincing evidence you are on the right track.
_Those who are convinced they are right, are often the most wrong_
“Of those who said correctly that only 7 percent of American families were getting welfare, just under half said they were very confident or fairly highly confident of their answer. But 74 percent of those who grossly overestimated the percentage of those on welfare said they were very confident or fairly highly confident, even thought the figure they gave (25 percent) was more than three times too high. This ‘I know I’m right’ syndrome means that those who most need to revise the pictures in their heads are the very ones least likely to change their thinking. Of such people, it is sometimes said that they are ‘often in error, but never in doubt’.”
From the book I list above. I think rather than providing links refuting grm’s errors, I will merely say “often in error, never in doubt”.
I will repeat that mantra, SD, over and over and over again.
But that I just had to point out the disparity of her latest round of “the Truth as Told by Mrs. KSGrm.”
Sorry!!!
No reason to apologize. I think grm has hinted (at least) that she says stuff to create controversy – where there is none. Kind of like what Ian used to do. I am wondering if responding with refutation is the wisest idea – is all I am saying. Everyone pretty much figured out the ignoring Ian was the most parsimonious use of resources and time. But, of course, ignoring him was not one’s first inclination – as you well know. :-)
… “often in error, never in doubt”.Posted by: Steven Davis | May 11, 2007 at 06:11 PM
Its veracity has its charms as a personal philosophy, after all.
See: Augustus Stupidus.
Hope to god voting Americans can agree that its “charm” as embodied in an American president has run its sad, pathetic course by 2009.
Or sooner!
Dang, SD, I thought I zapped Mrs. KSGrm pretty well, but comparing her to Ian Santiago tops anything that I could say!!!
You win!!!
I’ll have Fleetwood send over a plaque.
“No, it was MICHAEL Jackson!”
That would make more sense.
The US Navy. Where 1,000 men go to sea and 500 couples return.Posted by: fleettwood | May 11, 2007 at 04:55 PM
>still laughing<
Humor plaque for fleettwood!
From the May 10 broadcast of ABC Radio Networks’ The Sean Hannity Show:
HANNITY: Well, why don’t you tell us, because Jim, I understand you guys were able to break this story this morning about a connection that, in fact, that the governor had gotten a call — the governor of Kansas had gotten a call from Howard Dean — why don’t you pick it up from there?
QUINN: Yeah, OK, Rose, why don’t you start out?
ROSE TENNENT (Quinn & Rose co-host): Well, it seems that on Sunday — it was a few hours after Kansas governor made her remarks about Bush being negligent and she underplayed the National Guard response blaming it on Bush and saying that, you know, of course, he had so many people in Iraq that they were unable to respond to her effectively. She then — you know, and the thing is too, Sean, she had – she has a decent relationship with Brownback and the Kansas Republicans because she’s mostly acted as a moderate rather than a liberal. So anyway, she was calling, apparently, Brownback to apologize to the senator for making the political statements the she had made, and she explained that she did not believe those statements really to be true, but that they actually had — actually more than enough National Guardsmen showing up. She admitted that herself to Brownback.
HANNITY: Well, did you guys speak to Brownback on this, or is this just a source you guys have?TENNENT: Can’t say. Can’t say.QUINN: Now here — yeah, here’s the deal. It’s a source that I have used before. This source has been very reliable. This source told me why his source is unassailable, and I can’t tell you why, because if I do I’ll blow him in. I’ll — what I’ll do is blow his cover if I tell you why, but I can tell you — I can tell you privately off the air, but I can’t tell you on the air.
HANNITY: Now, look, I’m — nobody should have to reveal sources. But let me go through this, Jim, if I can a little bit more slowly here so people fully comprehend this. First of all, this is a disaster. I mean, we literally have people — their lives have been uprooted, everything they have worked for in their lives have been destroyed, we have a country like in the case of Katrina — we’re trying to rally around these folks, and get them the food and supplies and medicine and the help and the assistance and the rescue that’s necessary for all these people, and the governor comes out of nowhere and makes sort of like a statement like the mayor of New Orleans, like [Mayor Ray] Nagin when he said, “Yeah, This city will be a chocolate city.” Remember?
QUINN: Yeah, I remember that.
HANNITY: And she basically politicizes the tornado and ties it into Iraq. But you’re saying that this was connected or orchestrated from the top from Howard Dean.
QUINN: Yeah. Here’s how it went down, OK? GovernorSebelius, as you know, placed this call to apologize to SamBrownback because later on in the day, she had to meet him, they were going to surveil the — or take a look at all the destruction. So here’s how it went down, and my source has quotes around these statements. Now, I wasn’t there, so I can’t vouch for the total accuracy of this, but here — they are in quotes. Governor Sebelius explained to Mr. Brownback: “Sam, you know how political everything is right now, and we’re not allowed to let an opportunity like this pass,” unquote. Let that sink in for a second.[...]QUINN: Let me finish with the quotes here so everything stays in context, OK?
HANNITY: Yeah.
QUINN: Governor Sebelius explained, “Sam, you know how political everything is right now, and we’re not allowed to let an opportunity like this pass,” unquote. She continued, quote: “I made sure not to blame you or Pat” — that would be Senator Roberts — “or anybody outside the White House. With his” — Bush’s — “numbers, you can’t really blame me for using that,” unquote. Then, Governor Sebelius, according to our source, explained the path to her comments. After Brownback told her that he was very disappointed in her, she pleaded, quote, “You know me, Sam. I wouldn’t have said it if I didn’t have to,” unquote. She said, “Howard Dean called me around 5 o’clock” — we assume that’s 5 o’clock in the morning – “and told me not to ask the White House for any help or make any statements until I heard back. Dick” — and we don’t know who that is; my source assumes it’s Dick Durbin, but I can’t, I don’t know — “Dick called me an hour or two later, and that’s when he told me that we needed to use this and talk about the Guard all being at war,” unquote.
TENNENT: Well, you know, then she — she then went on to explain that — her reasoning behind all of this, and she said that the speaker and Harry — and we’re assuming Harry Reid — are feeling the heat from both sides over the war and that they need to get the press on something else. She said she didn’t think it was right to use this, but she didn’t have much choice, she said, considering the climate that she was in. Then apparently, she apologized a few more times and promised that she’d try to move away from the comment when she and Brownback were to meet up later and tour the damage, but she had to do so without disappointing Dean and Pelosi, and those were her words, supposedly.HANNITY: Well, I’ve — I’ve gotta tell you, if we can confirm and corroborate this, this woman needs to be removed from office –
TENNENT: Absolutely.
HANNITY: — and we need to demand that Howard Dean be removed from the DNC.
QUINN: They’re all going to deny it, because Brownback doesn’t want to screw up his relationship with the governor. So be — we’re prepared for that. Our source absolutely stands by her or his story, and — but I can tell you — what is amazing about this is that when — the last thing that Rose said about her apologizing a few more times and promising that she would move away from the comment later on when they met, I saw a videotape of her, and I believe this was where she and Brownback were looking at the wreckage, and I remember thinking to myself, this looks like a woman who’s really embarrassed about being there. Her shoulders are hunched over, she doesn’t look at the camera, she doesn’t look at the — she looks at the floor. This is a woman whose body language is just screaming out that she just feels awful about something.———————————The DNC has issued a cease-and-desist letter to XM Radio stating that the allegations are “false and defamatory [and] libelous and slanderous” and demanding that Quinn and Tennent broadcast “an express and specific retraction of these statements” on their show.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Democrats_send_cease_and_desist_to_0511.html———————————I am in the process of writing Senator Brownback about this. I think Senator Brownback needs to step up to the people of Kansas and address this allegation. If this conversation took place I will be the first one to condemn the Governor’s actions, but if the conversation is bogus, than the people who accused Sebelius need to be held accountable.
I am very pleased that Bushco is completely handling the Greensburg disaster. I was planning on contributing $$$ to help but have since heard that my tax money is already at work through the National Guard and FEMA. Thank the Republicans for this little bit of Socialism that they foster.
Governor Swartzenegar of California was on the news tonight saying the same thing as Governor Sebelious: that the National Guard in his state was severely compromised because equipment and manpower was in Iraq instead of stateside. I suppose Howard Dean orchestrated that as well! But then, it’s really Bill Clinton’s fault. (Republicans grate teeth at the sound of our greatest President’s name)
WS you and SD had quiet a night researching every post I ever made. That is very good but incomplete. Did you also put in the times I rubbed you nose in it as I did today. I’m still waiting for that statement from Juanita B. husband.
You are two poor pathetic people who are kings in your own world. Your ignorance on most subject is only trumped by your vicious attacks on the conservatives on this blog. You travel in droves because that is how thugs and bullies do. You did this same thing to Republican, GSheridan and others. Why would I think I would be left out.
Rave on. Obviously you have no life except this blog.
Well, Grm, explain your lies about the Cole, etc.
As for rubbing my nose in anything – seems to me that you have lost every single debate that you have been in – currently you are 0 for lifetime.
I already posted the link from the Washington Post that supported my claim that Broaddrick’s (then) husband knew nothing about her alleged incident with Clinton.
As for spending the evening researching your posts – that took about five minutes.
The rest of my night consisted of watch the Wings win, making dinner for my family and doing several loads of laundry.
Is that okay with you?
Oh, and if I didn’t mention it, how about explaining your lies….
And when you are done with that, explain the rest of your lies….
ksgm! Just call him a wuss.
He’ll get all fumed up and threaten to kick your ass. That’s what he does.
I just ignore him. Nothing but a blog fly.
Just shoo him away and debate and discuss with the rest on this blog that have something healthy and constructive to say.
As they say! Don’t feed the trolls!
Rave on. Obviously you have no life except this blog.
Posted by: ksgrm | May 11, 2007 at 10:33 PM
KSGerm: “often in error, never in doubt”.
Deep sigh…
You are such a silly boy, Joe, thank you for making me laugh!!!!!
Joe!
Are you sure you want in on this?
I’ve met you and consider you a decent guy. Let’s not get into deeper stuff, okay. Deeper stuff is not where you thrive, alright?
I’d be happy to leave germ alone and ignore her. But given that she is like Ian S. she won’t hear of that. I will strive to ignore her anyway.
Thank you for your post.
Regards.
Joe good advise and on that night I am calling it a night and enjoying my life.
Night all
In the morning, KSGrm, please explain your habit of lying to support your unsupportable positions. In particular, I would like to hear your explanation for your “story” about the Cole and Clinton and your son’s Navy career.
Let’s see – his career ended in 1992.
Or 1994.
Or after 2000.
What the Hell, let’s flip a coin.
Sorry germ,
Anything you explain will cause us in the reality-based community to collectively exclaim, “Huh?” Do us all a favor, and please, don’t explain anything.
Thank you germ for doing your public service. Good night.
Sounds a bit fishy that Gov. Sebelius would call Brownback and make a full confession, do Fox viewers even evaluate the crap they’re being fed, or just take it on faith, that a source of a source (who can’t be named or the commentator will have to blow him) is just sooo credible, this is gospel!
Steve–This interview took place on Hannity’s radio talk show.
Right Publication
From the NewsMax.com StaffFor the story behind the story…Friday, May 11, 2007 3:50 p.m. EDT
CBS News Boots Bush-Bashing General
———————————Left PublicationThe Raw StoryPublished: Friday May 11, 2007
CBS fires consultant Gen. Batiste over VoteVets ad; ‘We went to war with a fatally flawed strategy’
———————————Republicans eating their own.
See the adhttp://www.votevets.org/
Steven D.–
Interesting book report. I’m going to have to get that one.
This is something that has scared me about the CONs for some time now: their ability to believe the provably false.
Take the “lower taxes raises revenues” nonsense. This has been proven false again and again, and yet they’ll maintain it to their dying breaths.
If it were true, I’d be all for it. I have no emotional need for high taxes or taxing the rich or anything else.
But it doesn’t.
Another example–this latest e-mail hoax that Sebelius was asked to make a stink about the Nat. Guard because “Howard Dean told her to . . . ”
This is just more to outrage the true believers and to deflect the failed policy of Worst President Ever.
Eventually, it will all be debunked, and will KSgrm then apologize and rethink the crap the right-wing spews?
Yup.
Just as soon as Bush does . . .