Jimmy Carter’s criticisms of President Bush, misinterpreted or not, apparently are mild compared with what’s in Al Gore’s new book, “The Assault On Reason.” ABC News described the book as “an assault on President Bush, 308 pages of professorially rendered, liberal red meat that shuns the cautious language employed by any politician standing to the right of Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, and the left of Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.”
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The Goracle needs to get a life. Perhaps the influence of his father, also a Senator who denied the Civil Rights Acts for decades has rubbed off on Gore Junior.
No one of sound mind believes the Liberal blithering anymore. Politicians like Gore are an embarrassment to the American Society of reasonable debate.
Not only does he engage in character assassination, his bloated ego is only surpassed by his desires for power in the pseudo world of secular science and self-proclaimed hero status.
If the Goracle could get away with it, he would adorn himself with a laurel wreath on his head and wear a toga whilst his Liberal followers feed him the grapes of iniquity.
The Goracle is an ego that has yet to reach its expanse into treacherous self serving hubris.
The Goracle thinks by ill-treating others he will make his own pseudo superiority greater than the common man.
The Goracle is a personification of Dantes path to the Inferno consisting of vacillating secular goals which are used to oppress and exploit the non-thinking class of people known as Liberal Democrats.
The Goracle realizes that this class of pliable people are susceptible to emotional appeal rather than convincing logic.
The Goracle cannot elucidate with clarity the problems of society and especially those problems that need to be dealt with realistically and with rational thought.
Instead, The Goracle issues edicts of psychotic conformity through techniques of shallow mantra double speaks in which the commoners of the Liberal Democrats lap up like faithful house pets.
What is sad is that the Liberal Democrats don’t even realize they are being used by the Goracle.
Republican,
Whatever… Your lies and false attacks on Gore are boring, and tiresome.
A good read,Book Excerpt: ‘The Assault on Reason’By Al Gorehttp://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1622015,00.html
Oh Cosmos, those aren’t false attacks.
Perhaps you are confusing what is really false and what is true.
Sort of like your Global Warming mantra.
Maybe Republican is confusing Gore with Bush? Talk about an ego, he has nothing on Bush.
I was kind of hoping Gore might jump in the race. Remember that beating Hillary has to be a priority and Gore is the one candidate that can.
What would you expect from Sore Loser Man.
“No one of sound mind believes the Liberal blithering anymore.”
I guess that’s why republicans are leaving the neo-con cons in droves in a futile attempt to distance themselves from bushco. Must be them damn liberals.
Ah, just another ‘inconvient truth’, right?
IF the truth and facts are biased against you, all you have left is empty partisan rhetoric. Right, repugnicon?
That link has some excellent thoughts. Thank you cosmos.
“The Goracle realizes that this class of pliable people are susceptible to emotional appeal rather than convincing logic.”
What logic could be used in justifying support for Bush?
Oh, Lord, Al Gore. The man is a joke. As long as the Dems continue to lend credence to proven losers – they will suffer as a Party.
Is it just me, or does Al remind anyone else of a Chicken hawk in the face?
God, why did it have to be Al Gore? Why couldn’t he have just faded away?
GS, I think it’s more like Albatross, as in the Albatross hanging around the neck of the Democratic Party.
Exactly which parts on Gore’s excerpt does Repug. taxe exception with? As it is all on point and accurate and deals with reason, I venture to guess, with all of it.
poor Al!! always a Brides maid and never a bride..
someone please tell him they hand out 2nd place awards..
While I do not care for Al Gore, The excerpt highlighted above has soome excellent points, and good thinking material. Sometimes, we must look beyond the messenger to the message.
Alexander Cockburn
Remember that name.
Why?
Because he’s one of the ONLY Leftists today who has the guts to stand up and decry the Global Warming cult. Here is what he has to say about Al Gore – the idiot:
[quote]“The world’s best-known hysteric and self promoter on the topic of man’s physical and moral responsibility for global warming is Al Gore, a shill for the nuclear industry and the coal barons from the first day he stepped into Congress entrusted with the sacred duty to protect the budgetary and regulatory interests of the Tennessee Valley Authority and the Oakridge National Lab. White House “task forces” on climate change in the Clinton-Gore years were always well freighted by Gore and his adviser John Holdren with nukers like Lawrence Papay of Bechtel.”[end quote]
Read the rest here – QUITE interesting, if I say so myself.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/alexander-cockburn.html?columnsName=aco
lol
Just goes to show – we can’t judge ALL Leftists by the same standard. Some, like Cockburn, have a smidgen of integrity left.
Did Yahoo pop into anyones mind, while reading Gore’s excerpt? Even mindless taunts frow the 28%’ers needs to be protected.
“The Goracle is a personification of Dantes path to the Inferno consisting of vacillating secular goals which are used to . . . ”
This is what I love about Republican. Has he even READ The Inferno or The Paradisio?
Never mind, if he thinks it makes him sound erudite, then he’ll trot out a literary reference, awkward and inappropriate though it be.
*****
I think it’s great that Al Gore, President-in-Exile, brings out this book now.
It’s way past high time that the reasonable people (i.e., Democrats) fight back against the American Taliban and their faith-based view of the Universe.
Remember, this was the man who WON the election in 2000. He doesn’t have to prove that he can win–he already beat Worst. President. Ever. by 600 thousand votes.
Gore says he’s disenchanted with politics, so people need to just evaluate his message, and quit attacking.
So what? GWB didn’t win the popular vote.
Neither did Clinton.
steve – that’s the beauty of politics.
Folks get attacked long after they are no longer running.
Gore deserves to be attacked solely on his Global Warming Cult activities.
Free speech and all, you know?
And, don’t forget Bill’s bj!
GSheridan–
Clinton didn’t win a MAJORITY because of Ross Perot’s third party runs.
But no one won MORE VOTES than Clinton did.
Big difference.
Splitting hairs, Capn. No matter how you slice it – Clinton didn’t win the popular vote.
’nuff said.
steve – I don’t really think it’s appropriate to bring up Clinton’s illicit affairs all the time.
Might be titillating to you – but I find them disturbing.
Can we agree NOT to discuss them? Again.
’nuff said, my ass.
He most certainly DID win the popular vote.
He just didn’t get over 50 percent because Perot was pulling votes too.
Do you really dumb people get stipends to stay stupid or something, or is it just natural?
I thought we could just cut to the chaste on “why we hate clinton”.
Gore is a Bore. Clinton’s “step-n-fetch-it”
Back to Cockburn.
So – who had the guts to click on the link I supplied and find out what members of Gore’s OWN political agenda – think about his Global Warming cult?
Come on, libbies – this is going to be the turning point. Pay attention to that name.
It’s all downhill for the cultists from here on out.
’nuff said.Posted by: GSheridan | May 22, 2007 at 08:44 AM
Yeah, you wish.
Clinton wins <50%: The US enjoys 8 golden years of riotous prosperity.
Bush wins <50%: The US suffers 8 dark years under the most incompetent administration in recent US history.
See?
Like Cap’n said, big difference.
Capn – quit blaming Perot.
Clinton didn’t get it – no matter WHAT the reason.
Gore is a bore, and his boss had a whore! ’bout sums it up, right?
“The US enjoys 8 golden years of riotous prosperity.”
Oh yeah – some riot.
rolleyes
It was great under Clinton, wasn’t it?
Also, I note that you didn’t refute the incompetency of life under Augustus Stupidus.
Last 8 years have kinda sucked, huh?
That’s the thing I like about Gore, btw.
He lets the reader come to his/her own conclusion about Commander Codpiece.
Me, I just call him Augustus Stupidus. Saves time, see.
From Wikipedia:
Clinton won the 1992 presidential election (43.0% of the vote) against Republican George H. W. Bush (37.4% of the vote) and billionaire populist H. Ross Perot, who ran as an independent (18.9% of the vote)
In the 1996 presidential election, Clinton was re-elected, receiving 49.2% of the popular vote over Republican Bob Dole (40.7% of the popular vote) and Reform candidate Ross Perot (8.4% of the popular vote)
*****
Maybe the private Fundy-school that you went to, GS, told you that getting more votes than the other candidates is “not winning the popular vote,” but in my failing public school, when one gets 43 percent and the next closest candidate gets 38, the one with 43 percent wins because he GOT MORE VOTES.
Bush “won” despite the fact that Gore got more votes.
Completely different deal.
Nuff said.
Alexander Cockburn is a uber-leftist who doesn’t believe in Global Warming. He also believes that there’s an unlimited supply of oil–that the earth actually regenerates oil after it is pumped out.
We leftists don’t have a party line that we have to toe, unlike the reich-wing.
We encourage people to think for themselves. Sometimes people come to what I see as a wrong conclusion, but he’s still right on a lot of other issues.
Wow, as I read throught these threads (and others) I at first thought, these must be college educated people on here. The more I read the more I realize, most of you should go back to the schools you attended and ask for a refund. You all sound like a bunch of children on the play ground calling each other names and pouting because you can’t get everyone to see it your way. You people take yourselves way to serious. No matter what the topic, you all seem to have the only answer and all of the others are wrong. No wonder this country is in the shape it is in, we are destroying ourselves from wihtin simply because the “it’s all about me” mentality prevails, I’m the only one that is right and everyone else is a loser(or what ever name you care to insert). If you think I’m wrong, just go back and reread any of the last months posts. The same poster’s with the same rhetoric.
Wow!
Thanks mommy.
Now pony up to the bar, and let’s hear YOUR opinions on Gore’s book.
Please part with some yer Ivy League learnin’ and shed a few pearl before us’n swine, heaven.
Speaking of asking for a refund from your college, Heaven, here’s a short list of your grammatical mistakes:
Homonym confusion–word form error–
“You people take yourselves way to serious”
Should be “way TOO seriousLY”
Common splice–
“No wonder this country is in the shape it is in, we are destroying ourselves from wihtin”
Should be a period or semi-colon where the comma is
Fragment and confusing possessive ’s with simple plural:
“The same poster’s with the same rhetoric.”
Should have a verb to be a sentence. Also, ’s should just be an s.
Thank you for your high-minded critique, Heaven. Now back it up by not being an idiot.
Thank you,
The Management
Sorry, I can’t offer an opinion on the book since I haven’t read it. Kind of limited on what we get in for fresh reading material. Didn’t attend an Ivy League school either, just spent the last 20+ years serving my country and getting in a few credits here and there when I could. The point I’m trying to make is that if you want someone to listen to your point of view, leave off the name calling just because they disagree with you. I don’t have an opinion one way or the other on Global Warming, but if I was trying to form one, reading the juvenile attacks that seem to be a mainstay of the posts here leave me not interested in taking anyone’s opinion seriously. It would be nice to see a discussion kept to level that really encourages deep thinking, not just how to come up with a catchy put down to get back at one of the posters.
So, GS…you think that this guy’s opinion is important WHY?
Because his opinion is no more valid than yours or mine on this subject. But go ahead, put all your eggs in his basket.
Hey Management, just fall’n in with the crowd!
Gore won the popular vote, to deny it is silliness or stubbornness.
The man isn’t even running and the right can’t stop attacking him! It’s really too telling.
and for those of you who voted for the worst president ever..what exactly does it say about you? Ya’ll should be hanging your heads in shame.
HHU–
You know how they always say that you only get one chance to make a good first impression?
Well, you’re blowing it.
Either post something informative or entertaining or get the hell out of the way.
Whining is just not attractive.
Shoot, we’re docile right now, wait till we really get fired up.
The WE editors haven’t given us much good fuel for our fires lately.
This is pud.
Oh Cap’n, the first impression I got about you from the first post of yous I read didn’t do much either.
If Al Gore crawled into some dark hole… or just went back to his large carbon foot print home where he sucks up 10 times more energy than the average home we would ignore him.
However, when he keeps going around putting himself in the public eye we will attack him for the donkeys rear end he is.
political_mom, I usually get to check on the posts late in the evening(my time), I’ll bet I really miss some fireworks later on in the day(your time). I wish the posts would stay on a little longer, when I get back in they have changed the subject and it starts all over again.
As usual, there’s only one way to read the character attacks of shills like Republican and GSheridan: Gore scares them. Obviously. If he didn’t, why else would Republican be trying so hard to sound smart and relevant? (Keep trying on both counts, Republican).
Al’s the man. The frenzied response of the hyenas who hang around this place leaves no doubt. Not that what they think or say matters, though. In the battle of ‘irrelevance,’ the GOP wins hands down.
“As usual, there’s only one way to read the character attacks of shills like Republican and GSheridan: Gore scares them.”————-
Keep trying to convince yourself of that.
lol
(((((((((((((((CF!)))))))))))))))
I’ve been wondering where you were. Working hard I suppose.
“The frenzied response of the hyenas who hang around this place leaves no doubt.”
Funny, I think the same thing whenever they wind up on Senator Don Betts.
Do you ever watch Meerkat Manor? Their frenzies actually remind me more of the howling and frantic meerkats who, when confronted with a little enemy pee, go into a mad barking frenzy and then they wildly scratch and pee to try and cover up ANY trace of the stranger who peed on their “territory”.
Just mention ANY democratic candidate, and they start digging and peeing to cover up the scent of defeat.
How’s that working for them?
Gore is definitely running for something – maybe king of the GW world. He has to create it first and this is the drivel we have to hear in his endless campaigning.
Heaven the name calling is a clue that you have stepped to hard on someone’s toes. I do it myself on occassion and am never proud of it.
Intelligent discussions are much more fun and informative. I let steam off yesterday and am ready for a good discussion today.
By the way WS, the sub was the Henry M Jackson – just a mothers poor memory. My son helped me out. Enough said.
I think the addition of Bill Richardson yesterday added a whole new deminsion to the race. Finally a democrat that I could vote for.
ksgrm, I guess you’re right, I must have struck a nerve, didn’t mean to, just wanted to make a point. I get enough of this kind of crap at work, I was hoping to find something a little different.
It seems to me, that if we look at the NBER reports, the recession(though maybe have been less pronounced if it were not for 9/11 occuring) was starting under Clinton at around 2000 to 2001. Officially the date is March 2001. Starting in about 2004, the GDP under Bush has been rising to previous levels, but employment hasn’t caught back up yet, and the number of full time employment hasn’t either.
I’d say part of the economic recession is not all blame on Clinton, though it does appear to have started there(dot com bust?) and 9/11 contributed heavily into what the economy is now. It is still in recovery mode. However, gas prices are likely, at least in my opinion, to hurt our economy again as people adjust spending habits to deal with rising prices. Personally, I just ride my bike now, and got a little cart to attach to it for grocery trips.
For reference:http://www.nber.org/
As a nation we really screwed the pooch in 2000.
When it comes to presidential elections and what coulda been, the last 7 years are as if we broke some ginormous mirror in 2000 and have suffered like unwanted step-children.
Nothin’ but bad leadership ever since.
Had Gore just carried on with Clinton’s status quo, there’s a good chance 9/11 would have been far less deadly. There’s even a fair chance it wouldn’t have happened.
But the real difference would have been in the national zeitgeist:? 1: No ridiculously defined, poorly thought out, and incompetently waged “war on terror.” Instead, only if necessary a war on [insert country], terms of surrender by said country, withdrawal. Huge improvement over “war on a noun,” incompetent nation-building, unending occupation that splits the country in half.? 2: A smart energy policy.? 3: Real progress made on our piss-poor health care system.? 4: American democracy wouldn’t have been weakened through incompetent leadership (ie, 9/11, Terry Schiavo, Katrina, DoJ follies).
Bush: zeitgeist killer.Gore: zeitgeist architect.
The US really, really took a turn for the worst in 2000.
The market started to dive when people decided to pull their money out, seeing as how a dem was never going to get elected, and bush was a shoo in.
Heaven,”Oh Cap’n, the first impression I got about you from the first post of yous I read didn’t do much either.”
“yous”?!?!?
I seriously doubt you’ve been around here long enough to have read Capn’s “first post”.
“just spent the last 20+ years serving my country”"I usually get to check on the posts late in the evening(my time)”
Lots of vets here, myself included. Doesn’t get you much except the obligatory “we appreciate your service”.
Got something to add to any discussion, or are you content to waste electrons?
“If you think I’m wrong, just go back and reread any of the last months posts. The same poster’s with the same rhetoric.”
Not really. Once in a while, a novice shows up to entertain us. Post something else cute and prove my point.
Steve were did you get that. It is historically accurate that the market does better when Republican presidents are in office because of their Pro Business mentality..
Now if you say they pulled out the money due to the uncertainty over the election I would go for that..
Had Gore just carried on with Clinton’s status quo, there’s a good chance 9/11 would have been far less deadly. There’s even a fair chance it wouldn’t have happened.
Posted by: Pedant | May 22, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Pendant what was this ’status quo’ and how would it have kept 9/11 from happening? Just curious.
Lots of vets here, myself included. Doesn’t get you much except the obligatory “we appreciate your service”.Posted by: XXX | May 22, 2007 at 10:17 AM
Except for CapnAmerica. He believes disabled Vets like myself who are medically retired are leeches of society, getting a free ride.
Not one of the Democrats in any shape or form has ever called CapnAmerica on this.
It shows what Democrats are made of – hypocrites and will use anything including war dead to make political talking points as long as it makes them look good.
BG,”It is historically accurate that the market does better when Republican presidents are in office because of their Pro Business mentality..”
You’re right. “historically” speaking.
That was back in the day when I was a republican. Back before the GOP went insane and ran clean off the tracks. For the GOP, “Pro Business” means owned by business.
Bought and paid for.
well to look at the Market now doesn’t look like it has changed.
so historically still holds true!!!!
I’ve read both Capn, it appears you haven’t.
Guess you don’t remember the Leopard, Lion, and She-Wolf blocking the path eh?
Dante path is blocked by the lion.
Dante uses the lion to denote sins of violence and ambition because the lion is considered to be an aggressive and assertive creature.
The lion has a tendency to satisfy his own needs, by whatever means necessary.
ksfarmgrrl,
In the words of Big Gay Al from South Park, “I’m super, thanks for asking!”
I’m home in Seattle at the moment, staying with some friends. Been going easy on the consumption, digestion, and excretion of political news. Got a life to live, after all.
As for the topic at hand, it’s also telling that Nathan robotically goes right to the “Gore-Is-A-Hypocrite” meme that comes straight from Rush and his minions. Given that their Tribal Leader has perpetrated a mass slaughter of the Iraqi people for oil, has destroyed the impartiality of the Justice Department, and has been content to let Osama Bin Laden remain a free man, ‘nyah nyah nyah’ insults are literally all they’ve got.
Well, Repubes, it’s a fine mess you’ve gotten us into. Time to step aside and let grownups like Gore clean things up–as Democrats always must when Republicans create messess.
Oh, and something else: we don’t care what you think. As far as CF2K is concerned, when Democrats regain control of all three branches of government, it will be time to drain the swamp: the perpetrators of the various crimes of the Bush Administration need to be held accountable–starting with the stolen Presidential election of 2000.
The same zombies have been running the Republican party for as long as CF2K has been alive. This time, no mercy: there need to be investigations, trials, and accountability. The Constitution cannot survive another generation of Republican mischief and disregard for the rule of law and the principle of self-government.
Republicans love wielding power as much as they hate sharing it. The last thirty years prove it. When Democrats take power, it will be time to stand on the windpipe of the Bush/Cheney/Rove/Nixon/Haliburton/Neocon machine until we collectively hear it crack and break.
After all, if Republicans can use hegemony to benefit themselves, Democrats ought to be able to use it to benefit the country.
Republican (cue chicken noises),I must have missed that post by Capn, but I suspect that as usual, you’ve taken something out of context.
XXX, thanks for pointing out my spelling error, my keyboard is sticking, didn’t catch it when I reviewed it. I think you missed my point about “Oh Cap’n, the first impression I got about you from the first post of yous I read didn’t do much either.” I was referring to the first time I read the post, not the first time he posted. Big difference. As for my military service, I mentioned it for insight, not to gather any sympathy or accolades. The vets on here know what they have done and why, no need to beat the drum further. Looks like I really stepped on your toes, that wasn’t my intent. As far as being a “novice” poster, I hope someday I can be a master of the craft like you, until then maybe you can mentor me along so I can get better.
What’s with the chicken noises?
If you want to meet up somewhere for dining as mentioned in another thread, I have no objections. I just need some advanced notice before we do. I find people in real life much more interesting than on the Internet.
By the way, I’m not much of a threat physically as my condition won’t allow it. The slapping around comment was a bit of fun play and not to be used as a penis measuring contest.
By the way, you might be a bit surprised by my size. In my younger days I was taller than the real triple X and probably in better shape. Years of infirmary and deteriorating health has taken its toll.
Here is some fuel for the fire then. Think about this. The events of 9/11 we planned under the Clinton administration, Osama bin Laden was counting on Gore getting elected, knowing with a Democrat in the whitehouse, he would not face any repercussions for this act since Carter and Clinton both failed to act when the hostages were taken in Iran and the first time the Twin Towers were bombed, the USS Cole was attacked, the Marine barracks at Kohbar towers, etc. He didn’t bargain on Bush getting elected but it was too late to stop 9/11. After it happened we went into Afghanistan and handed him his ass and he’s been on the run ever since. Now the Democrats are saying we will pull out and end the war. This does nothing but embolden our enemies and give them incentive to strike again, knowing that the Democrats would rather let the UN or the police handle it. This is only my theory but I wonder how many others think the same way.
Just finished reading Algore’s Book excerpt: ‘The Assault on Reason’. (Thanks for the link cosmos)
I was ammused that the excerpt chosen started out with a quote from ol’ Sheets Byrd. After I stopped laughing I finished the excerpt anyway.
I’ll have to admit that he has made some very valid points, so what? You can endlessly cite problems with the current political system. But then use your examples to attack Bush and the republicans? I’m afraid that the Goracle does not have the answers to our political mess.
I appreciate the link, I’ve now read all of the screech Al’s book I need to.
Hank
Here’s where Republican cut-and-pasted his little blurb on Dante’s “Divine Comedy” without citation.
Republican wrote, “Dante uses the lion to denote sins of violence and ambition because the lion is considered to be an aggressive and assertive creature.
“The lion has a tendency to satisfy his own needs, by whatever means necessary.”
His unacknowledged source wrote,”. . . Dante uses the lion to denote sins of violence and ambition because the lion is considered to be an aggressive and assertive creature that has a tendency to satisfy his own needs, by whatever violent means necessary. The brutality of the lion’s natural habitat” . . . etc.
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/d/divine_interpretation_the_%20a_study_of_metaphor_in_dante’s_inferno.html
Lying and plagiarism are two forms of the same thing . . .
HHU,
I think you’ve given us a pretty likely summary of the events.
I agree.
Hank
The Bushinator needs to get a life. Perhaps the influence of his father, also a President who was born with silver spoon in his mouth and never had to work a real job has rubbed off on Bush Junior.
No one of sound mind believes the right-wing blithering anymore. Politicians like Bush are an embarrassment to the American Society of reasonable debate.
Not only does he engage in character assassination, his bloated ego is only surpassed by his desires for power in the pseudo world of on-going war and self-proclaimed hero status.
If the Bushinator could get away with it, he would adorn himself with a laurel wreath on his head and wear a toga whilst his Right-wing conservative followers feed him the grapes of iniquity.
The Bushinator is an ego that has reached into treacherous self serving hubris.
The Bushinator thinks by ill-treating and condesending to others. By this, he will make his own pseudo superiority greater than the common man.
The Bushinator is a personification of Dantes path to the Inferno consisting of vacillating fundamentalist goals which are used to oppress and exploit the thinking class of people known as open-minded and compassionate Americans.
The Bushinator realizes that this class of pliable people are susceptible to emotional appeal rather than convincing logic. And uses hate and fear as his means to keep them on his right-wing path to ruin.
The Bushinator cannot elucidate with clarity the problems of society and especially those problems that need to be dealt with realistically and with rational thought.
Instead, The Bushinaotr issues edicts of psychotic conformity through techniques of shallow mantra double speaks which the commoners of the radical right-wing fundamentalists lap up like faithful house pets.
What is sad is that the right-wing conservatives don’t even realize they are being used by the Bushinator.
Paraphrased from a previous post the “Republican”
CapnAmerica,
Actually, you need to have intent to decieve in a lie, in plagerism not required.
As for Republican’s claim that I believe that “disabled Vets like [Republican] who are medically retired are leeches of society, getting a free ride,” not only do I not believe that but . . .
well . . . I think I’ll let JM deal with that one:
Hey J R, what are you going to do when your cashed in 401K runs out?
Get a job or go sleep under an underpass and then complain how no one has helped you?
People do get jobs you know, even those with severe handicaps. What’s your excuse?
Posted by: JM | January 23, 2007 at 09:39 PM
Nathan–
When you pass somebody else’s written work off as your own, that’s a lie.
Period.
I’m surprised a straight arrow like you would stick up for this. If you did it in a military academy, you’d get kicked out . . .
Republican,”If you want to meet up somewhere for dining as mentioned in another thread, I have no objections.”
I was really more interested in the Slap-down you were offering.
“The slapping around comment was a bit of fun play and not to be used as a penis measuring contest.”
The “(cue chicken noises)” comment was a bit of fun play. Why are you interested in my penis?
Thanks Hank. Who gets elected in the next election is anyone’s guess. One thing is for sure, we are getting set up for another strike on American soil, and make no mistake, it’s coming. The questions the politicians should be asking themsleves is this: when will it possibly happen, where will it happen, what are we going to do about it and most importantly, how are we going to prevent it? I don’t care about Clintons angle or McCains or anyone elses. We in the military understand about near battle and far battle. Near battle is the fight you are in right now, far battle is tommorows engagement. What are the politicians doing about the far battle? Gas prices, immigration, the supreme court, none of this will matter when we are all facing the aftermath of the next terrorist strike. Think about it.
CapnAmerica,
If I forget to cite something in my paper or accidently include something in it which is not my own is it still plagerism?
Thanks Hank. Who gets elected in the next election is anyone’s guess. One thing is for sure, we are getting set up for another strike on American soil, and make no mistake, it’s coming. The questions the politicians should be asking themsleves is this: when will it possibly happen, where will it happen, what are we going to do about it and most importantly, how are we going to prevent it? I don’t care about Clintons angle or McCains or anyone elses. We in the military understand about near battle and far battle. Near battle is the fight you are in right now, far battle is tommorows engagement. What are the politicians doing about the far battle? Gas prices, immigration, the supreme court, none of this will matter when we are all facing the aftermath of the next terrorist strike. Think about it.
Good morning Hank!
Damn, it looks like I’m not going to be able to take you up on your generous offer to pay for lunch w/Republican, and you don’t get to watch me get slapped around. I HATE when this happens.
Seriously, WE need to do lunch or dinner and include the ladies. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting your better half…you need to meet mine, LOL!
Nathan–
If you forget to pay for your gas and just drive away, is it still stealing?
Hell YES!
Besides, RepubliCON didn’t “forget.” In fact, the entire post was a little game to show how much he seemed to “remember” from reading “Il Inferno.”
He even went so far as to break up the long sentence so it would sound more like his post.
I’m really surprised that you of all people would have to be told this, Nathan.
The one thing I’ve never questioned is your sense of right and wrong.
Looks like I better start questioning that too . . .
CapnAmerica,
I am not saying plaerism is right. It is wrong.
However, a lie means you intended to decieve.
In plagerism you don’t have to intend to decieve.
That was my only point.
sheesh….
Boy, it sure got quiet from Republican’s corner all of a sudden, didn’t it . . . hehehehe
Hey XXX,
Looking forward to meeting yor new boss! We’re out of town for the next few weekends, herding trials and herding clinics.
Hank
We need to go out shooting sometime this summer too!
“If you forget to pay for your gas and just drive away, is it still stealing?
Hell YES!”
Actually capn, I disagree with you on that. I got halfway out of Dillons with a gallon of milk after having done some other stuff at the service desk. They stopped me but didn’t accuse me of stealing; only of being too much on auto-pilot!
Of course, it helps that they know me there.
;^)
HHU,”Looks like I really stepped on your toes, that wasn’t my intent. As far as being a “novice” poster, I hope someday I can be a master of the craft like you, until then maybe you can mentor me along so I can get better.”
Nah, my toes seem to be in pretty good shape except for the left “little piggy” that I stubbed getting into the shower the other day. And it looks like you’re picking up “the craft”, so I doubt if you’ll take much “mentoring”. I think it might have been your superior attitude in that first post that put me off.
Maybe I was too quick to judge. Let’s try again.
Hi, I’m Triple X. Welcome to the blog.
“If you forget to pay for your gas and just drive away, is it still stealing?
Hell YES!”
Actually capn, I disagree with you on that. I got halfway out of Dillons with a gallon of milk after having done some other stuff at the service desk. They stopped me but didn’t accuse me of stealing; only of being too much on auto-pilot!
Of course, it helps that they know me there.
;^)
Shooting? Did someone say shooting? Nathan, hell yes! You just say when.
I’ve actually been chased by a clerk because I didn’t pay for my gas.
I had inserted my card, but for some reason it didn’t actually work.
So I pumped and drove off with a clerk chasing me… LOL
It happens.
My dad and I took the CCW class and turned in our applications.
While we took the class, Bill Regina, the officer teaching it said that a survey of convicted inmates showed that they actually practiced with their firearms quite regularly.
So now, my friend and I, are trying to go at least once a month.
He is a member at the Air Capital Gun club on the North West side of wichita.
We are going this Friday, but I don’t know the rules on him getting people in besides me.
Hey XXX, thanks for giving me another chance. I’ve actually been honing my craft for many years. I really didn’t mean to come off with a superior attitude. I’ve got limited news outlets over here and this seems to be a way of getting in on what is really going on back home. Like I said earlier, I deal with the same crap over here and was looking for a change of pace. I think I realize now that what the rules are, so let the fur fly!! Sorry to hear about your little toe, I’d send flowers but I don’t think they’d make it. Well the chow hall closes soon so I better get going. Been nice chatting with all of you and I hope I may have contributed something useful if not funny. In the immortal words of “Oddball”(see Kelly’s Heroes if you don’t know the character), “Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves!” Take care, HHU out!
Had Gore just carried on with Clinton’s status quo, there’s a good chance 9/11 would have been far less deadly. There’s even a fair chance it wouldn’t have happened.Posted by: Pedant | May 22, 2007 at 10:13 AM—————-Pendant what was this ’status quo’ and how would it have kept 9/11 from happening? Just curious.Posted by: ksgrm | May 22, 2007 at 10:26 AM—————-
Sure.
Couple things:? 1: Clinton’s ’status quo’ consisted in part of ’shaking the trees:’ actively collating disparate bits of evidence collected by various government agencies in order to parcel out news of a terrorist attack. Rice under Bush failed to understand the value in doing this — even with a NIE in her hands titled “Al Qaida Determined to Strike in the USA” — and the Feds failed to institute any new police action, of the ’shake the trees’ variety, to stop the threat. Had Rice not restricted meetings on Al Qaida activity to deputy-level and pursued Clarke’s principal-level meetings, disparate bits of news involving a domestic attack (eg, Zacharias Moussauoi begging for somebody to train him to fly a 727) 9/11 may have been prevented. Or the effect might have been muted.? 2: Clinton’s ’status quo’ consisted in part of granting Richard Clarke enough authority after the Cole attack to plan to ‘roll back’ al Qaeda worldwide by eliminating any and all of its sanctuary. Bush didn’t want to roll AQ back, instead he set as his goal eliminating AQ. Nothing wrong with that; the problem was that in adopting this new strategy Bush dropped the ball. Things fell through the cracks as Bush’s usual incompetency shined forth. Had Bush adopted Clinton’s Clarke’s ‘roll back’ strategy and pushed it to the hilt UNTIL he could come up with his own plan (instead of just dropping it altogether), then 9/11 may not have happened.
Questions?
Pedant,
you are so right…
screw that stupid 9/11 commission report. those people diagreed with everything you typed above.. but don’t worry we can re-write history for you..
Ah Capn’s once again feeble attempt to deny that I was right about the paths in Dante’s Inferno.
The statements were paraphrased not plagiarized, a big difference Capn.
And who cares, it’s not like the author is going to sue me.
General Clark was probably the worst four star in the history of the Army Pedant. I wouldn’t use him as a source for anything.
The height of all hypocrisy is anyh Bush loyalist calling Gore a liar. What a laugh.
As I recall, George W. Bush had to have his presidential ‘win’ decided in his brother’s own state, and with his campaign adviser Katherin Harris being the decider to certify the vote? Now how in the Hell is that even considered non-partial? In any third world country that the US was watching the voting, this kind of shenanigans would have been cried foul on.
But yet these Bush loyalists went on the idea that GWB was voted in with the blessing of the American People. What a blast of of Rush koolaid you must have drunk that day!
Seems to me the majority of Americans are finally waking up to the true facts that make up the Bush Administration. Our country is on the wrong track and the only ones that don’t think so are those that are too stupid to realize or those who are smart enough to make those profits off dead soldiers. And these are true Patriots?
screw that stupid 9/11 commission report. those people diagreed with everything you typed above.. Posted by: Bg | May 22, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Well, you can certainly try to prove it.
General Clark was probably the worst four star in the history of the Army Pedant. I wouldn’t use him as a source for anything.Posted by: Republican | May 22, 2007 at 12:31 PM
Richard Clarke (with an ‘e’ at the end), not Wes Clark.
Dipshit. :)
Quit crying about the 2000 election cat, Gore lost, it’s over.
And cat yet another Liberal Democrat using the bodies of dead military to make talking points.
He could give a crap about the military or dead bodies unless it serves his talking points.
Nathan – you profess to be a Cristian right? Why did you drive off from the gas station with the clerk chasing you? Is that what Jesus would have done?
oh that Clarke, my bad…
Then only photo-op that Bush goes to now are those in front of the military – so who is using the military now for political points?
And, ironically, you never answered my question as to the validity of the Florida vote? and why do the Republicans think that Bush won by a majority? What was it – 1/2 of one percent. Not exactly an overwhelming vote of confidence – was it?
I got stopped by police for supposable not paying for gas. I showed them my receipt, he let me go. Then I went back to the Quick Trip and chewed some ass.
They gave me a coupon for a free 20 ounce drink… Yeah okay, life sucks sometimes, then you move on.
Bush sure liked those activist judges in Florida -didn’t he?
Well HHu the initial premise fails, how could anyone think that Gore was going to get elected after all the righteous indignation of his predecessor. Not even Al-Quida is that stupid. More likely, they counted on the son to win, and to avenge his father, in which case they would have been right.Terrorist attacks primary purpose is to cause an over reaction, cause excessive fear in the attacked, and motivate potential recruits, again a resounding sucess.Had Gore been in office, we would have went into Afghanistan, and kept Bin Laden/Al-Quida as #1 objective. 9/11 would have only served to make Al-Quida look like the fanatical organization it is.
Hey cat evidently you ignored the investigation into the Florida vote by four MSM newspaper after the 2000 election. What they found is that Bush would have won Florida by the popular vote anyway.
It didn’t get published hardly at all as the MSM had to eat crow.
It’s about time Gore got riled up and started fighting like the Republicans do – down and dirty.
The only thing is, Gore has the 70% majority of Americans who are already disapproving of George Bush and that is quite an advantage.
Going to be interesting to see what happens next. Maybe history is about to correct it’s mistake back in 2000?
And, again, you believe what you are told by the GOP? Yeah, right.
Must be sad for you to always have to look for the current talking point to know what to say.
Anyone who believes Cockburns’s claim,”since this warming… gives us a longer growing season and increased CO2, a potent plant fertilizer.”
should carefully read ,’Climate myths: Higher CO2 levels will boost plant growth and food production’http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11655
Cosmos,You seem like a VERY intelligent individual. Do you talk about ANYTHING other than GW? No offense, but every time I’ve seen you post it is the same song, different tune.
Cat do you have any understanding at all of what took place in Florida?
Bush won.
Then they recounted the ballots by machine several times, according to state law.
Bush won.
Then Al Gore fought to have them recounted by hand.
Bush won.
Katherine Harris certified vote.
Bush won.
Gore still cried and fought.
State Supreme court ruled in favor of more recounts.
Case appealed to Supreme Court.
Ruling overturned.
Certification stands.
Bush still won.
After election, many investigations take place, they recount votes again and again.
Bush still won.
many years later…
We still have liberal nut jobs doubting that Bush won.
Nathan, don’t confuse the libbies with facts – they want to hang onto their fantasies as long as possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000_Florida_results
After the election, USA Today, The Miami Herald, and Knight Ridder commissioned accounting firm BDO Seidman to count undervotes, that is, ballots which did not register any vote when counted by machine. BDO Seidman’s results, reported in USA Today , show that under the strictest standard, where only a cleanly punched ballot with a fully removed chad was counted, Gore won by three votes.[15] Under all other standards, Bush won, with Bush’s margin increasing as looser standards were used. The standards considered by BDO Seidman were:
* Lenient standard. Any alteration in a chad, ranging from a dimple to a full punch, counts as a vote. By this standard, Bush won by 1,665 votes.* Palm Beach standard. A dimple is counted as a vote if other races on the same ballot show dimples as well. By this standard, Bush won by 884 votes.* Two-corner standard. A chad with two or more corners removed is counted as a vote. This is the most common standard in use. By this standard, Bush won by 363 votes.* Strict standard. Only a fully removed chad counts as a vote. By this standard, Gore won by 3 votes.
There you go cat, a recount by MSM and Gore still lost.
SolDevVB,
I sometimes post on other issues… I even did one directly to you, re the Iraq timeline.
Cos,Just chekin’ brother. Bully for being passionate about a topic.
Gore scares the shit out of the fanatical ‘Pukes on here. I predict he will jump in, and he will win. Big.
And Heaven Help Us – demonstrating that one is completely susceptible to propaganda (”Osama bin Laden was counting on Gore getting elected, knowing with a Democrat in the whitehouse, he would not face any repercussions for this act since Carter and Clinton both failed to act when the hostages were taken in Iran and the first time the Twin Towers were bombed, the USS Cole was attacked, the Marine barracks at Kohbar towers, etc. He didn’t bargain on Bush getting elected but it was too late to stop 9/11″) is not attractive, nor does it help construct a cogent argument. Come back to reality, pal. Its nice here.
Also at Republican’s wiki link,
“Review of All Ballots Statewide (never undertaken)• Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey Gore by 171• Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots Gore by 115• Any dimples or optical mark Gore by 107• One corner of chad detached or optical mark Gore by 60 “
Yeah Pedant your right Gore won the Election………
Screw all those Judges and all those investigations done by the media and everybody else……
see here we are re-writing history for you once again..
A review by Ballots taken state wide that was never taken Cosmos? And yet you post results? How quaint!
Besides Cosmos, I realize you have never completed High School and lack the focus of more educated folk, but please not the fact I had referred to and did refer to the survey done by the MSM newspapers.
You see folks Cosmos does the same thing on GW Alarmist issues, only posts the partial truth.
Here’s what Cosmos post derived from:
“The NORC study was not primarily intended as a determination of which candidate “really won”. Analysis of the results found that different standards for the hand-counting of machine-uncountable ballots would lead to differing results. The results according to the various standards were reported in the newspapers which funded the recount, such as The Miami Herald [12] and the Washington Post. [13]Candidate Outcomes
Based on Potential Recounts in Florida Presidential Election 2000(outcome of one particular study)
These accounts were reported in Newspapers, not actual counts.
Cosmos likes to post from Newspaper and Op-ed magazine pieces on GW issues as well, as he does not comprehend the Scientific papers written by the Scientists.
What a maroon.
Actually, when the media group counted all the votes in the Florida election, Gore won by a solid majority of tens of thousands of votes, not the statistical tie of Bush’s pitiful 538 votes.
Florida law clearly states that when the ballot shows the “intent of the voter,” it is to be counted as a valid and legal vote.
Thousands of these votes were thrown out because the voter both voted for Gore and then in the blank that said “write in candidate,” the voter wrote in Gore’s name, thus “spoiling” the vote according to Bush shills and cronies.
If these “over-votes” had been counted as they should have and would have (had not the partisan CON Supreme Court interposed itself in State Law), Gore would have won by tens of thousands of votes.
The vast number of over-votes for Gore makes mute the “hanging chad” and “butterfly ballot” controversies that the Repukes threw up to finesse the “win” for Bush.
University of Chicago National Opinion Research Center found the following–http://www2.norc.org/fl/
Total Records (Ballots): 175,010
Total Undervotes: 61,190 Total Overvotes: 113,820
Total Votomatic: 138,037 Total Datavote: 5,198 Total Optical Scan: 31,775
Votomatic Undervotes: 53,215 Votomatic Overvotes: 84,822
Datavote Undervotes: 771 Datavote Overvotes: 4,427
Optical Scan Undervotes: 7,204 Optical Scan Overvotes: 24,571
When these “over-votes” which clearly show the intent of the voter were discussed in this USA Today article:
“the review of 171,908 ballots also reveals that voting mistakes by thousands of Democratic voters — errors that legally disqualified their ballots — probably cost former vice president Al Gore 15,000 to 25,000 votes. That’s enough to have decisively won Florida and the White House. . . .
“The study reveals that Democratic voters made far more mistakes, especially when it came to overvotes, than Republican voters. Gore was marked on 84,197 of the 111,261 overvote ballots, compared with 37,731 for Bush.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2001-05-10-recountmain.htm
Republican believes that the science reported here is “Newspaper and Op-ed magazine pieces”.http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html
What’s funnier than Republican’s copy/paste of Dante is his multiple posts claiming: “that human driven CO2 that is 0.12 percent of CO2 emitted”
That’s a MISQUOTE of a FALSE claim made by retired meteorologist Augie Auer.
‘You, too, can be a leading climate scientist’http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/05/you_too_can_be_a_leading_clima.php
Humans have caused Earth’s CO2 to rise from about 280 ppm to 380 ppm.http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/contents.htm
Time for my five mile run.
Republican’s contention that his cribbed passage was a “paraphrase” is a lie to cover a lie.
If he had really taken the time to paraphrase 1. I wouldn’t have been able to find it by Googling it and 2. it would still be plagiarism.
I hereby rename Republican ReplagiarCon.
And just because it so damn funny to hear ReplagiarCON both playing the disabled vet victim card and damning to hell those who depend on the “nanny state,” here’s “JM” one more time:
People do get jobs you know, even those with severe handicaps. What’s your excuse?
Posted by: JM | January 23, 2007 at 09:39 PM
Oh, wait, ReplagiarCon DOES have a job . . . kinda’ sorta . . . an internet job . . . or something.
Depends on when you ask him . . .
“What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.”
Give him a few days and he’ll be the first one to have said that too . . .
“Gore won by a solid majority of tens of thousands of votes,…”
You people sure are cry babies.
screw that stupid 9/11 commission report. those people diagreed with everything you typed above..Posted by: Bg | May 22, 2007 at 12:27 PM———-Well, you can certainly try to prove it.Posted by: Pedant | May 22, 2007 at 12:35 PM———-Yeah Pedant your right Gore won the Election………
Screw all those Judges and all those investigations done by the media and everybody else……
see here we are re-writing history for you once again..Posted by: BG | May 22, 2007 at 01:21 PM———-
wtf are you talkin’ about?
It’s not me, it’s the guys in the WHITE coats handing out free lithium. Goofball.
Republicans love to spout off facts that are of their own making. Bush did not win the popular vote in Florida, as was quite evident by everyone with half a brain cell.
But, regardless, Bush did not win by a wide majority of voters. And as I have tried to point out to your Bush loyalists before, our country is was deeply divided until the past few years when Bush has showed his true colors and now the real majority – 70% of Americans do know the truth and they don’t like what Bush has done to our great country.
No amount of backpedaling into who won what vote or whatever the loyalists try to sling, the facts of today are your boy has lost favor with the real MAJORITY of Americans and your party is in trouble. Deal with it.
I”m not going to go as far as to day 9/11 wouldn’t have happened on Gore’s watch. But I have to admit, I’m glad that it happened in the manner it did. (DO NOT READ THAT AS I AM HAPPY ABOUT 9/11 or I’ll hurt you). I’m saying if it HAD to happen…
Because look at what has happened. IF this had happened on Gore’s watch, there is no way the republicans would have ever let us live that down. Dems understand the world a little bit better-we’re more forgiving.
And actually we’d probably had been just fine if Bush hadn’t gotten so bigheaded…but we Dems knew that would happen too.
I’m glad that all of this happened to REMIND those out there why Dems should be left in control or at least balanced. We’re far more moderate.
I know that sounds like the ultimate in partisanship but honestly I don’t think it is. We know that republicans play dirty in droves. We had said at the beginning we’d give them enough rope to hang themselves with, but holy cow we didn’t expect them to do this good of a job at it. They have shown just how dangerous they are to this country, and their true agenda. Thankfully most Americans don’t want their nation destroyed no matter which way they tend to lean.
Maybe this needed to happen in order to put us back into reality check. Look at the Kansas elections…the republican party still doesn’t get it, and until they do they should be barred from any power. We’ll slap them back into moderation if we have to. It’ll be fun to watch them foam at the mouth while that power carrot is dangling over them.
As far as the gas prices…remember, they only have another year to make those skyrocketting profits off of us before their buddies are booted from office.
I’ve been forced to watch Faux news for the last few weeks now, and I think my grandmother is about to throttle me, because I can’t keep myself from shouting out about it lol.
Nathan forgets the same county that ‘won’ Bush, has had fraud over and over again since.
Coincidence?
Tennessee,
Gore’s home state.
If. . . . .
Oh well.
Hank
“Tennessee,Gore’s home state.”
Hank- That is mean. These people can’t wrap themselves in the Blanket of Victimhood if you bring that up.
Hey cat…
Bush won two terms as President.
Get over it sore loser!
Pmom, it was the Democratic Environmental Wacko’s that blocked any new refineries from coming online.
The Oil Companies said “Fine. We’ll adhere to your Environmental rules, but you will pay our price at the pump.”
Guess who won?
That isn’t true Republican, and I fully believe you know it’s not true.
The oil companies have merged to the point that THEY are choosing to limit what they refine driving up the costs on their own.
ENRON? ENRON?
Republican,
You’re not a republican and neither is George W. Bush.
The things which Bush has done in office are indefensible from a conservative point of view.
How can you be so dense, as to not be able to understand that?
You know that the Coal Plant can buy Carbon offsets just like Al Gore and the Kansas air will be clean. That is unless you are a hypocrite. What good enough for Al Gore is good enough for Kansas.If Al Gore can defends his extraordinary personal energy usage by telling critics he maintains a “carbon neutral” lifestyle by buying “carbon offsets,” so can the coal plant.
Refiners do NOT want new (expensive) refineries.
It’s more profitable to expand and increase efficiency at existing facilities.
And more profitable to run near 100% capacity. Plus they get more profit when demand spikes, or there are shutdowns.
Shell even dismantled a functioning facility, to prevent competitors from buying it.See at bottom of page,http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/
‘Letter To California Attorney General Bill Lockyer’And other internal memos.
Right Angle,
It’s not just about “clean”, it’s about CO2.
Yes, coal plants can buy carbon offsets, but they’ll have to raise rates to pay for them.
And the rate increase would continue for the life of the coal plant.
The better solution is for the coal plants to encourage customers to increase efficiency — that cuts demand, and CO2 emissions.
BTW: Some of Gore’s neighbors, in smaller homes, use more electricty than he does. And Gore got the town to change their rules, and he’s installing PV panels on the roof.
Right Angle–
Haven’t heard from your nic-name for a long time.
How’s that genius kid of yours.
Not fighting in Iraq I’ll bet . . .
BTW, your idea for the coal fired plant to buy carbon offsets is really really stupid.
Since it produces so much carbon–the biggest single source of C02 when it comes on line–it would be totally cost prohibitive.
Duh.
Perhaps Right Angle would like to attack Rupert Murdoch’s buying carbon credits for his media empire?
‘Murdoch to achieve carbon neutrality with credits, but Fox employees call them a sham’http://mediamatters.org/items/200705140007
Hey, Right Angle–
What was the score your son got on the Stanford-Binet IQ test again?
“By the way WS, the sub was the Henry M Jackson…..My son helped me out. Enough said.”
Still, KSGrm, you said your son retired from the Navy in 1994, but he was stationed in the Middle East in October 2000, during and after the attack on the Cole.
Regardless of how you spin it, you lied.
It’s true. Bush won two elections for President. As a matter of fact so did Saddam Hussein. Fair elections are in the eyes of the people counting the votes (or in America’s case, whomever is programming the results and trashing the ballots).
Hugo Chavez also won two democratically conducted elections for President of Venezuela, but the Bush Administration still insists on calling him a dictator. Actually, the administration, through the CIA, attempted to overthrow Chavez and was successful for a few days, until the Venezuelan people rose up and force the opposition to reinstall Chavez.
So much for the Bush ideal of spreading democracy throughout the world.
If you think Chavez is such a swell guy WSClark, go down and live there.
But please do be careful as one of his gun squads will take you out if you say something Chavez doesn’t like.
Have fun in that fine, democratic country of Venezuela. Maybe you should get some body armor.
“If you think Chavez is such a swell guy WSClark, go down and live there.”
Jeez, Republican, I read through my post several times and just could not find the part where I said that Chavez was a swell guy.
Maybe you could copy and paste that section for me.
But I am bit confused by the tone of your post, specifically, what difference does it make what an American says about the internal politics of Venezuela?
I thought that was what democracy was supposed to be about – the people elect their own leaders in an open election.
Where does the Bush Administration come off with deciding that the Venezuelans were wrong?
Christ, what if China decided that WE were wrong when Bush was “elected?” Would it be right for them to subvert our election and overthrow the president?
Maybe GW should invade Venezuela to give the people of Venezuela a taste of what the Iraqi people are enjoying. Better put that fence up first.
I like having sex with animals and drink sewer water.
Everyone here agrees with Gore. Even those who haven’t yet “connected the dots” of what he says. In the Time excerpt, we see:
“When people don’t have an opportunity to interact on equal terms and test the validity of what they’re being “taught” in the light of their own experience and robust, shared dialogue, they naturally begin to resist the assumption that the experts know best.”
Then he talks about the internet. This is what WEBlog is about: people having the opportunity to interact on equal terms…
Read the article. It talks about how TV is one-way information transmission, controlled by an ever-smaller group. That’s anti-republic, anti-democratic. The Soviets got that trick down in the 1950’s–the people were short of many things, but radios, and later state-broadcast-channel TVs were not among them– after the Nazis invented government mass-electronic-media propagandization in the 1930’s.
Addendum: Gore mentions Marshall McLuhan, whom I learned a little bit about in high school (60’s).
GS went to a boarding school whose main marketing thrust was horseback riding. GS learned how to intimately work with a horse. To do this she learned to think like a horse, from end to end.
Too bad she didn’t get to take human-intellectually-difficult subject matter. We aren’t going to find a way to a sane resolution to the Middle East crisis by thinking like horses, either end of them. Cowgirls don’t have the answers we need.
Finally, people who condemn Gore should read what he writes. THEN they should read what George Bush writes. Oh, George Bush doesn’t write. He has a little illiteracy problem. He has a little thinking problem. which he admits, saying, “I make decisions with my gut.” That’s not a thinking organ.
If it wasn’t for my mom or sisters I would never have sex. Thank God for fat ugly relatives.
His new name is Al God!
Has anyone else been with 3 women at once? It is amzaing.
TROLL ALERT!
Not even ReplagiarCon deserves to be trolled.
Stop it. Not funny.
who is trolling who?
Actually, one can tell it’s me by the Typepad account. If there isn’t a link, it ain’t me.
No comment on the post, but I wonder what the French would call that. – menage à trois is for 2 women and 1 man…wonder what three is?
menage à quatre?
Yup, it’s funny. I was just thinking about how the trolling seems to have gotten better lately . . . then . . . oh, well.
At least he wasn’t GOOD at it.
Right Angle? Right Angle?
Looks like we’re not going to hear from him for another 6 weeks.
Goes into hibernation, apparently . . .
My 2 sisiters and my mom make three losers! and Repub trolled first.
“Regardless of how you spin it, you lied.”
Maybe, Clark. Or, maybe her children should get together and decide if the gram should have access to the computer.
I have these mental pictures that some of these folks are not as evil as we would imagine. Know what I mean?
Fleetie is probably someone who has a case manager and his worst offense is blogging when he should be washing the dishes at the group home. Or, drooling, when he should be doing something else.
Come on, Clark. These clowns are not the enemies of liberty. They may be the progeny of it. If that is true, it is time to reconsider things, ya know…
“Maybe, Clark. Or, maybe her children should get together and decide if the gram should have access to the computer.”
You are probably right, SD. Undoubtedly, it is time for Grm’s family to get together for an intervention. I can picture it now – Grm sitting on the couch and the family telling her that she has to stay off the computer or go into rehab!
Steven I think you and WS are the same people just alter egos of each other. I would hate to think there are two of you with such a limited mental ability.
WS, what race are you today by the way? Show me the quote where I said my son was in the military when the Cole was attacked. I’m sure you took a quote out of context and posted it as something other than what was said.
Regardless you are a poor pathetic person who can make no worthwhile contribution to an intelligent conversation and so try to push yourself into others conversations by attacking others on the blog. I did some research on you yesterday. You have lambasted Republican, GSheridan, Nathan, Hank… The list goes on and on.
Play your little game. By the way were you in the military or not? You had a draft number. What exactly does that mean? It could mean you were having trouble with you heater.
Pour it on WS, you have run out of victims so crawl over to one of your other blogs – you pull the same crap there. They’ll get sick of you also and send you away or ignore you as I intend to do from now on.
By the way this blog has brought the favorite leftie excuse machine in defending Billy boy. Tell me if he has a plan in place as Pendant says, why didn’t he or someone who works for him wonder why all those middle east men were taking flying lessons for the big jets – but they only wanted to know how to take off!!
This was your post, KSGrm…..
~snip~ I’m not sure what the objection was to me saying my son was in the gulf during/after the USS Cole attack. You don’t even know him and you are attacking his credibility. He was on the USS Samuel Jackson. A nuclear sub which was redesigned to carry the Navy Seals.~snip~Posted by: ksgrm | February 06, 2007 at 05:01 PM
Not much ambiguity, now is there?
Want to try again?
And, by the way, KSGrm, I am still waiting for you to post your copy and paste where I said that I was a green eyed black man.
Any luck with that?
I have never claim to be a “black man.” I have ancestors that were black, Native American and Jewish, along with European.
Got a problem with that?
My draft lottery number was 202. That year, they only went up to about 125 when drafting 19 year olds, so I was not drafted. I was classified 1-A, since they discontinued college student deferments.
Got a problem with that? If you do, I can start listing the Republicans that did not serve also, starting with Dick Cheney.
I’m proud of my Anglo background.
Clark’s mantra with KSGRM, same old stuff…
Yeah, his Jewish ancestry…His grandfather went to a Synagogue and the Clarkster thinks that genes are passed down.
He ain’t even the faint sniff of a Hebrew unleaven bread.
What a maroon, claiming he’s Jewish because an ancestor went to a Synagogue.
“What a maroon, claiming he’s Jewish because an ancestor went to a Synagogue.”
What a moron you must be, Republican, because you cannot understand that there are those that practice Judaism and then there are ethnic Jews, known as Semites along with their Arabs brethren.
My paternal grandfather was a non-practicing ethnic Jew.
As for KSGrm, if you lie on the blog, somebody is bound to call you on it.
You don’t practice Judaism WSClark. From what I’ve read you wrote, you were not even circumcised by a Rabbit, nor have you done the right of passage, memorized the required passages, speak Hebrew and probably don’t even know who the Rabbis are in Wichita.
Therefore, you can’t even claim your Jewish by faith much less by heritage. You have no Jewish heritage.
In your case, it’s a faith of your ancestor, not a gene that can be passed down.
You are not Jewish. If you believe that and go to a Synagogue tomorrow and ask. They will tell you are not a Jew.
That should be Rabbi, my spell checker is too quick on the draw.
From Wiki….. Republican.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#.22Half-Jewish.22
“Ethnic Jews” include atheists, agnostics, non-denominational deists, Jews with only casual connections to Jewish denominations or converts to other religions, such as Christianity or Buddhism.”
I never claimed to be a practicing Jew, idiot. My grandfather converted to Christianity because he was ashamed that he was an ethnic Jew.
As I have noted before, why would six million Jews allow themselves to be exterminated, if all they had to do is denounce their faith?
Yes, I would imagine that some people would rather die than betray their faith, but I highly doubt that six million would do that.
They were exterminated in Hitler’s concentration camps because they were ethnic Jews.
And, by the way, who the Hell made you the authority on who qualifies as a Jew and who doesn’t?
For that matter, Mister Know It All Republican, why would I even CLAIM Jewish ancestry if it was not true? What could possibly be my motivation for claiming membership in ANY ethnic group that is routinely discriminated against?
As usual, Republican, you are just making a fool of yourself on the blog as a means of your primary entertainment, since you obviously don’t have a life beyond your keyboard.
Ancestry denotes genetic relationship – you can’t claim something that isn’t genetic.
Besides as a matter of Jewish Law, you cannot claim to be Jewish unless you practice the faith of Judaism.
You lose on both accounts WSClark.
You’re a liar. I will remind you of that every day, just like you do to KSGRM.
Every day, every post, all the time, forever and ever, ad infinitum…
“Besides as a matter of Jewish Law, you cannot claim to be Jewish unless you practice the faith of Judaism.”
As I said, who decided that you were the final arbitrator of who is Jewish and who is not? Who made you an expert on Jewish Law and who the Hell cares?
But, I posted the link that documented that one did not have to practice Judaism to be an ethnic Jew.
Of course, in typical KSGrm fashion, you chose to ignore the facts, like the difference between someone that practices Judaism and someone that is a Semite.
By the way, the only reason that I post here is to aggravate you and your new love interest, KSGrm.
“Steven I think you and WS are the same people just alter egos of each other.”
Grm: Once more, among inumerable times, you are flat out wrong. It must be tiring to be so clueless.
Here’s a clue, Clark and I are different people who are VERY tired of you and your lies and bullshit.
I am trying to be gentle and say that maybe you are too mentally impaired to really partcipate in any discussion and that Clark should give you some slack. But, in response to that you get even nastier.
Grm or Germ, you are one very tired joke on this blog. Give it up. Let your responsible children unplug your computer and give the rest of us a break, okay?
Thanks and good night.
Can’t expect to believe someone like the Clarkster who lies at every opportunity about his ancestry.
I mean he was adopted by some old folks who claimed to be his grandparents, then made up a good story for him to re-tell. Too bad he couldn’t lie as well as his grandparents to make all the pegs fit in the proper holes.
“I mean he was adopted by some old folks who claimed to be his grandparents”
I do not know where you pulled that one, Republican, perhaps you could copy and paste that one, too.
I was adopted in the early Sixties by a family in Detroit. They did not claim to be anything other than my mother and father. My a-mother died two years ago and my a-father is still alive. They are German – English.
My a-father is anti-Semite.
What that has to do with grandparents is beyond me. The grandparents that I refer to are my birth grandparents. Perhaps, you are just full of crap as usual, KSGrm.
Whoops! I meant Republican!
My bad.
By the way, from the Wiki article…..
“The traditional view is that Jews are a people, not merely followers of a religion, and that those who adopt the beliefs of another religion are still Jews”
Repugnicon,
Your interest in discrediting Mr. Clark has always interested me.
I mean, what do you really know, or any of us know, what his [Clark's] ethic background might be? That whole subject is such a load of blog bullshit that I think it is incredible that so much space is WASTED on it.
I hope I have the chance to meet you sometime, because I will tell you in greater detail about what a complete waste this particular enterprise is. Good night to you also.
Thank you, SD. Perhaps Republican’s family also needs to consider an intervention for him. Perhaps he needs thirty days in rehab with KSGrm.
I was adopted in 1962 in Detroit.I was abandoned by my paternal grandparents illegally when I was six years old, in 1958.Posted by: WSClark | May 21, 2007 at 07:00 PM
Clarkster can’t even get his stories straight. I mean he made all of this up because he wouldn’t have known anything about his family to any degree of accuracy if he was abandoned at the age of six.
His grandparents probably would have lied to him about his ancestry anyway since they abandoned him.
I guess WSClark is just one sad liar – abandoned – no one cares about him including his two ex wives that were beaten by him.
Steven Davis stay in Colorado and get with your Log Cabin buddies.
“I mean he made all of this up because he wouldn’t have known anything about his family to any degree of accuracy if he was abandoned at the age of six.”
After six months of research, I found my birth families in 1997, both paternal and maternal. I was able to determine my ancestry through historical records for both families.
My paternal birth grandparents left me at an orphanage in June of 1958.
Got a problem with that?
Undoubtedly Republican, you have now exceeded Fleetwood and KSGrm as the Blog’s Dumbest Poster.
What a moron.
Clark:Thirty days? Some people are so chronic, that it will take thiry centuries to make any noticible change.
Millenniums might be more like it. Hang in there, WSC, when you cause Grm and Repugnicon to have so much angst, you know you are on the right track.
Thanks.
As usual Repugnicon, you have no clue as to what you are talking about. I do not live in Colorado.
Being such an ignorant MFer must be a full time job for someone of such limited intellectual capitalization.
Go to school you pathetic POS.
So Clarkie, you went to some place and found some records and decided to call them your own. How convenient! Are you related to Charlemagne and Adolph Eichman by any chance? I mean your grandfather abandon the Jewish faith – perhaps he helped the Gestapo identify his Jewish neighbors so they could be interned at concentration camps.
Must be sad going through life lying about your ancestry WSClark.
“So Clarkie, you went to some place and found some records and decided to call them your own.”
As usual, completely moronic. I found my actual families, flesh and blood. I obtained records from various governmental sources.
Not only do I have documentation, I also have the verbal confirmation from my families.
My paternal grandfather abandoned his Jewish faith in the Thirties, even though he had been born in Cleveland. Thankfully, the old bastard and his wife died in the Seventies.
As I said, I just ENJOY the Hell out of aggravating you and KSGrm!
Good night, Repub!!!! I will be back tomorrow to kick you around a little more!!!
ROFL’ing funny…
‘Snow Slams Gore’s Book, Says It Should Be ‘Reprinted’ Because It Calls Out Bush’s ‘Deception’ ‘http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/22/snow-on-gore-book/
Update:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyce/just-off-the-phone-with-a_b_49082.html“[Gore] responded to Tony Snow’s demand that he fact-check the book.
“Unlike the president’s State Of The Union address, this book was actually fact-checked.” “
“Perhaps Right Angle would like to attack Rupert Murdoch’s buying carbon credits for his media empire?’Murdoch to achieve carbon neutrality with credits, but Fox employees call them a sham’http://mediamatters.org/items/200705140007”Posted by: cosmos | May 22, 2007 at 06:10 PM-I don’t care if you’re Democrat or Republican, my personal opinion is that you either pollute or you don’t. The buying Carbon credits are just BS in my opinion. If you stopped polluting the earth would get the carbon credits. It’s the one that needs them.
Right Angle–
What was that score your son got on the Stanford-Binet test again?
I forget . . .
Hehehehe, thanks for the chuckles SD and WSC.
It’s unbelievable that two people who post over their OWN NAMES would be accused of being different people.
How about if ReplagiarCon and JM post their real names and we can get a better idea if they are the same person?
Hehehehe, thanks for the chuckles SD and WSC.
It’s unbelievable that two people who post over their OWN NAMES would be accused of being the same person.
How about if ReplagiarCon and JM post their real names and we can get a better idea if they are the same person?
“”The traditional view is that Jews are a people, not merely followers of a religion, and that those who adopt the beliefs of another religion are still Jews”"————–
This is an incorrect statement.
Orthodox Jewry dictates that the ‘race,’ which is intimately linked to the religion passes through the female UNTIL she converts to another religion – such as Christianity.
I have a Jewish heritage, however, I do not consider myself Jewish in the least. My maternal grandmother was Jewish and she LEFT the religion, married a non-Jew and had children. Neither my mother nor my grandmother EVER formally announced themselves to be Christian although they both attended services on occasion. According to Orthodox Jewry that makes me STILL qualified to be considered Jewish should I want to – of course I don’t want to.
My children, as I am female, have the same option, however, my brother’s children do not.
It’s a complicated process, but I’ve been identified and courted by Jewish groups and approached in an effort to get my family to relocate to Israel. They gave up on me years ago, although my children have been approached more recently. My brother’s kids have not. He was, however, since he is the child of the female…..as I said…it’s complicated.
One may convert to the Jewish religion, but that does not insure they will be accepted by Orthodox Jewry. Since the late 1800’s there have been at least three major splits in Jewry.
Wikipedia, which is written by anyone who decides to write – is not a reliable authority.
I suggest checking out a book from the Public Library that describes Orthodox lineage. There is a big difference between Reform, Traditional and Orthodox Jewry.
I figure that during WWII, my German/Russian blood killed off my Jewish blood. lol
Anyway, if your paternal grandparents were Jewish, and that’s strange because I’ve never heard of a Jewish family relinquishing a child for any reason, then it would depend upon your birth parent from that family, father or mother, and if they continued in the religion. If they didn’t, and your mother was Jewish, but never converted to another faith – you’re still Jewish. If your link was paternal, and your father never converted – you’re still Jewish AS LONG AS he never left the faith.
I have no idea what adoption does to the lineage, but rest assured, if you have not been contacted, they don’t consider you to be connected.
BTW – Orthodox Jewry has been carefully weeding out Khazar members, whom they don’t feel were ever in the Children of Abraham, to begin with.
I think I’ll let actual Jews decide who’s a Jew and not a totally goy shiska who lives in small town Kansas . . .
Right Angle–
What was that score your son got on the Stanford-Binet test again?
I forget . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | May 24, 2007 at 04:43 AM
WHY DO YOU WANT TO KNOW AND WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS ISSUE?
Right Angle–
Well, it was quite memorable at the time you posted it many moons ago.
I just wondered if YOU could remember it?
I mean that would be something you couldn’t forget . . . if it really happened.
On the other hand, if it was just a pile of steaming donkey sh*t as I suspect it was, you might have a hard time remembering it . . .
Here’s an old post to let everybody see just how credible Right Angle is:
“I just saw on the FOX news channel that they have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I am sure that it will be on the other news channels as soon as the DNC approves the spin to put on it.”
Posted by: Right angle | June 21, 2006 at 09:00 PM
The sad thing is that he probably STILL believes it . . .
Right Angle,
“… my personal opinion is that you either pollute or you don’t. The buying Carbon credits are just BS in my opinion.”
Until we do away with using oil and coal for fuel, almost everyone has to pollute with CO2.
Carbon credits are a way to reverse, or reduce those CO2 emissions — plant trees in rainforests, fund renewable energy to replace coal-fired plants, etc.
I think that this attack on my heritage needs to end now, but to make things a little more clear, I have NEVER STATED THAT I AM A JEW, JUST AS I HAVE NEVER STATED THAT I AM BLACK OR NATIVE AMERICAN OR IRISH OR NORWEIGIAN OR ENGLISH OR GERMAN.
I am part of all of those ethic or national groups.
Those that would want to challenge me on the point can just get over themselves. For one, it ain’t none of your god damned business and two, who gives a damn what you think?
As for my adopted family – again – none of your business.
Christ.
We know, Clark, we know.
GS and ReplagiarCON are fully aware that the most hurtful kinds of cutting remarks are those that go to who a person is.
That’s why they do it.
If you let them get to you, they win . . .
Nice timing WSClark, that was two days ago when this topic was posted.
Been sleeping off a drunk Clarkie?
Any right-winger who doesn’t criticise these kinds of nasty cheap shots IS COMPLICIT.
I was once accused of “hating the rich.” In response, I pointed out that my father was a well-paid professional and had amassed quite a healthy estate. I had grown up with “rich people” and had nothing but respect for them.
In response, a reich-winger said I was probably hoping that my parents would die so that I could inherit their money . . . probably the most despicable thing I’ve ever heard on this WEBlog.
After awhile, you realize the smash-mouth, take-no-prisoner style of these people.
Well, if I was sleeping off a drunk, Repuke, GSheridan and CapnAmerica must have been on the same binge, along with Right Angle and Cosmos.
Now, I am sure that you can ACCUSE the good Capn’ and Cosmos, but I doubt that you would make such a charge against GSheridan.
She has more “balls” than you and would kick your sorry ass all over the blog.
But thanks for playing the game, ‘Puke.
ReplagiarCon is nothing but a punk.
He was the kid that flunked so many grades in elementary school, he became the bully . . . until he got to jr. high and got his daily chocolate swirly, right JM?
Right Angle–
What was that score your son got on the Stanford-Binet test again?
I forget . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | May 24, 2007 at 04:43 AM——————————–I could give you any number if you forgot. It is one of the following: 176 182, 190.
Now if you remember tell me which one.