On our Tuesday Opinion pages, columnist Clarence Page reviews the Democratic presidential candidates’ first debate and expresses an opinion that got a lot of airtime on the weekend chat shows — that Barack Obama blew the commander-in-chief hypothetical. Asked about responding to a catastrophic al-Qaida attack in two U.S. cities, Hillary Clinton said, “I think a president must move as swiftly as is prudent to retaliate.” Obama’s Katrina-inspired answer was about emergency response, not payback. As Page put it: “The question was about national defense. In a moment that called for a blood-stirring vow to avenge America against all attackers, he seemed to change the subject.” Then again, is it ever wrong to think first about the welfare of the American people?
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Considering what the Alphabet Agencies know, some are lies, half truths, complete fabrications, bombing another country IMMEDIATELY isn’t reasonable, doing war so quickly.
Battleships take time getting into position. Satellite coverages pointed in the right direction. Soldiers called to duty and loading cargo planes takes weeks.
Declaration of war, letting Congress in on the decision takes time. Telling the truth, why war is being taken, matters.
War against what terrorist group? Sure its Al-Queda?
So many locations where terrorists are today!
State sponsored terrorism..who would do that?
Hypothetical question has any answer. Go BOMB whomever immediately isn’t the right answer. Bomb the right targets matters.
Do the Alphabet Agencies have the correct intelligence.
The first action after any national bombing or attack is defense.
Defend the population and get medical help fast to the devastated areas.
We’re not going to have skies filled with enemy airplanes from elsewhere. We’re not going to have landing parties on the coasts, nor coming from Mexico or Canada.
We’re going to be attacked by terrorists here in the country or missiles flying.
Go bomb where the missiles come from is obvious. Terrorists can come from anywhere. Find their base of operations.
We won’t win any war with conventional weapons by only bombing. Boots on the ground win wars.
No one hypothetically can argue for nuclear weapons.
Who cares about that question right now for the candidates.
The President will respond with a national security staff and military command decisions understood before attacking another country.
Long as the next President doesn’t claim Mission Accomplished before the war is over.
We don’t know the Presidential Partners yet either. The candidates still haven’t been defined by their Vice President. Ideas, who their political appointments will be.
They honestly can’t answer the question. Defend America, of course. Military defense sure.
Katrina proved we can be attacked by the elements. That’s catastrophic war too.
Barrack was right. It took a long time after 9/11 to actually retaliate militarily against an enemy. And that’s not a slam on George W. He actually handled that part correctly.
Our first order of business was making sure no more attacks occured, disaster recovery. Defend and protect, recovery.
Ordering those planes down was unprecedented, and I don’t know who recommended it, but they did the right thing. If there is anything Bush did right, it was his immediate response (ok after the 7 minute pet goat pause) during and after 9/11.
You mean his response where he ran and hid?
The President, serving in the capacity as the head of our nation’s military, needs to be able to retaliate at a moment’s notice.
If he is not willing to, perhaps a career in knitting would be more appropriate.
Hillary talks butch, and Rhonda shows pink. Young love is so cute.
Obama answered the question half right in that the first order of business is to take care of the injured and the dying at ground zero and we need to make sure we have a plan and resources to do that- something Bush is obviously a failure at considering Katrina. But he should have added something like “and as soon as the smoke cools, we are going to found out who was responsible and kick the living hell outta them no matter where they are hiding- you HEAR that Musharriff?”
Obama also could have said “I wouldn’t spend any more time reading My Pet Goat while the nation was under attack.
Obama will bow out of the race eventually towards the end. The candidate that will be left will be Hillary and Bill. As it gets closer to election time, Bill Clinton will push Hillary over the top for Democratic nominee.
Then, depending on who gets the Republican nomination it will once again be a 50-50 split on voters with the southern states deciding again. If the Democrats are smart they’ll court the southern swing states.
Obama is falling out of favor.
Obama handled the question about the war correctly. If he would’ve answer with a response of needing to act quickly in pulling out the troops. Then critics would’ve made noise about that response as well. No matter how you look at it, and Obama’s political party knows this, they must stay the course set forth and answer the questions and presented with tact and intelligence. Those who have followed Obama from the begining know that he was and still is against the war. And his tactful way of switching the topic was strategic in addressing a matter which he has already answered and made his stance on.
RepubliCON,
50 bucks says that Obama will be the Democratic nominee.
Money, meet mouth . . .
Republican,
Whistling past the graveyard again, I see.
Guess that settles the question of which Democrat the Wingnuts are most scared to face in the 2008 Presidential election.
As for Republican’s “Democratic Doomsday” scenario, things aren’t shaping up for another War Between the States. Nationwide, suburbs and exurbs are trending Democratic, which means that a Democratic candidate is poised to win in the North, the West, and the East–leaving the South out in the cold.
I definitely want a prez candidate in office that puts a national emergency which is weather related at the top of his list. We will be well protected. I also propose that all state government offices be closed and the responsibility for these be transferred to DC. We can build a new building for each state. No mayors will be needed in cities any longer. An office in each state building will be ready to respond at a moments notice to the emergency since all the power will be concentrated in one geographical area.
We have now solved the problem of responsibility and the next prez will be the chief over all. States rights and responsibility will be handled by the feds and as soon as we get our national healthcare program started we will indeed be taken care of from the cradle to the grave.
Wow! I didn’t know Republican could see the future!! Where the hell were you when I tripped over that curb last week? I could have used a heads up on that one! Could you read my tea leaves and tell me if I’m going to win the lottery?…But seriously folks…For the record, one poll has Obama leading Clinton by two points. http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/04/obama_no_1_one_.htmlHow is that for “falling out of favor” ?
I’m with Capn on this one. Obama will likely get the nomination. –Notice how the word “likely” makes it speculation rather than soothsaying. :)
Capn – if Obama gets the nomination – you can bet we will have a GOP in the White House next term….again.
Do your REALLY think Dems in the South will vote in a black man? Not from what I’ve seen. There’s a lot of racial tension down there to this day.
And do you think GOP’ers will cross over to vote? Nah.
So far, you guys don’t have a viable candidate that can win – at least I haven’t see him/her yet.
To win – you would need a white man with integrity – and, no, a girly-boy that pays $400 for a haircut isn’t going to be the one.
Unless you’ve got a dark horse in the wings – you might as well stop counting your chickens.
They ain’t gonna hatch……
“For the record, one poll has Obama leading Clinton by two points.How is that for “falling out of favor” ?
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Gee, that reminds me of the polls that predicted, “Kerry – in by a Landslide.”
lol
Isn’t it fun having Republican telling the Democrats how to run their campaigns?
Just what we needed.
Good point raised by Mrage. I still remember Oklahoma City and many people wanting to bomb Arabs for it. OOPS! That was an American Tim McVeigh! To this day I see some people trying to claim that McVeigh was an Iraqi (or alQuada) agent.
After V-Tech there were those trying to make a tie between Cho and Islam. That also was shown to be false.
Make no mistake – I want to blast the Hell out of those responsible. But, lets know who that is first!
GSheridan once again proves she doesn’t have the slightest clue about the threats we face. She demands that all the candidates scowl and pound their fists on the podium as they promise to “retaliate at a moment’s notice.” But who would we invade if we’re attacked again? Who would we bomb? Would GSheridan have us re-invade Afghanistan? Pakistan? London?
If there are obvious military targets that GSheridan wants all the Presidential candidates to be prepared to bomb immediately, why hasn’t Bush pre-emptively bombed those places already?
Maybe she’d have us dispense with all the niceties of spreading freedom and democracy and just have us “finish the job” in Iraq. More rubble, less trouble, right GSheridan? I guess that’s where colonialism failed the first time around. Not enough carpet bombing.
I get the impression GSheridan simply wants us to bomb the living hell out of “Raghead-istan.” Where’s that, you ask? Well, you know, it’s that one place where all the dangerous brown people squat on our oil, plot against us and worship a false God. But don’t press her for details when she’s trying to get her hate on.
“We have now solved the problem of responsibility and the next prez will be the chief over all. States rights and responsibility will be handled by the feds and as soon as we get our national healthcare program started we will indeed be taken care of from the cradle to the grave.”
I wonder why Grm hates the people of America so much?
Conservatives like Grm have distorted the picture about liberal government for so long that not only are conservatives profoundly uninformed, so are liberals any more.
From a book by Pulitzer Prize winner and Princeton professor, Paul Starr:
“Constitutional liberalism, I have been arguing, not only imposed limits on state power but also enabled states to become powerful within those limits. How to subject government to a discipline that would protect liberty and strengthen overall societal powers was a central challenge generally for classical liberalism – by which I mean now to include classic _economic_ liberalism as well as constitutional doctrine.
“Rulers have often followed a policy of “divide and conquer” – dividing their people the better to control them. Liberalism follows the reverse policy – dividing power the better to control it. Many of the liberal principles for the discipline of power call for drawing lines to partition spheres of action that were previously fused, closely connected, or poorly distinguished. A typical liberal strategy to avoid tyranny or monopoly is to set autonomous centers of power against each other – ambition against ambition – by creating boundries and countervailing pressures between state and society, within the state, or in civil society and the private economy. The public-private distinction, the seperation-of-powers and checks-and balances doctrine in constituional design, and the theories of economic competition, societal pluralism, and contested political elections are all applications of this strategy.”
From – _Freedom’s Power: The True Force of Liberalism_
The liberal ideas regarding political power and those of Bush couldn’t be in starker contrast.
“Do your REALLY think Dems in the South will vote in a black man? Not from what I’ve seen. There’s a lot of racial tension down there to this day.”
I think, actually, the reality could not be further from what you state here. This year, Virginia, South Carolina, plus another southern state I am not recalling, has passed legislation that authorizes making an official apology for slavery. Alabama is working on similar legislation.
The south is leading the way in doing the right and moral thing when it comes to this aspect of our history.
I think the Dems reputation as being anti-religious, abortion mongers has always been more of a problem in the south than anything having to do with civil rights policies. This latter is my opinion only.
KSgrm, do you really think all the mayor of a town does is prepare for weather emergencies? You want to shut down local government, that deals with local issues and hand it off to the feds?
uhhh..isn’t that communism?
I wonder why Grm hates the people of America so much?
Conservatives like Grm have distorted the picture about liberal government for so long that not only are conservatives profoundly uninformed, so are liberals any more.
Posted by: Steven Davis | May 01, 2007 at 11:37 AM
This is definitely not a sign that I hate Americans so much, I love this country enough to know that we are heading down a slippery slope to oblivion. Study the downfall of the Roman Empire and many other lesser empires. I think you will find the similarities astounding. My attempt at shocking some into actually looking at what the future fortells instead of waiting for their daily dose of ‘realism’ being handed out by a biased media might go over many heads. If it wakes up one thinker it will have served it’s purpose. Those who don’t recognize the attempt to divide the ‘poor from the rich’ in what we hear everyday are indeed blind. This is the first step. Watch out!
“Do your REALLY think Dems in the South will vote in a black man? Not from what I’ve seen. There’s a lot of racial tension down there to this day.”
Um okay, where to start…Dems don’t usually win the South when it comes to presidential elections anyway, so I don’t think we were counting on it this time around either. And just as an aside, a solid population of Southern Dems are black…So…gosh, I can’t believe you didn’t know that already. I almost feel bad about laughing at your post…almost.
ksgrm
Yeah, right….
We do have too large of a gap between the rich and poor. That isn’t a joke. How much dominance over the poor will you allow before it’s too much? Till we’re like China?
Pmom I am now and will always be for strong state governments and strong city governments. I was responding to Kevs post about how responsible Bush was for what happened in New Orleans. We have heard this so much that masses of people think it is true. The city first and the state second failed in this disaster. There was a fed. office that Bush was over in structure that then failed. In a major disaster of this magnitude failures were inevitable.
My point is that by blaming the Feds for everything that happens we might as well move all the seats of power to DC and be done with it.
For the past few days this blog has been a boring mix of name calling and nothing I am just trying to stir the pot and make people think. The discussions then will be something to grab the interest of others that like to debate the issues and leave the name calling and finger pointing out.
Pmom is it the governments place to reduce the range between the rich and poor. Is the real answer over taxing the rich to narrow the divide. Would programs to help the poor receive education for future employment, stressing skills in our schools that qualify the poor to hold decent jobs after graduation, rewarding progress in seeking employment by helping with daycare or healthcare until the employee can do it themselves, I could go on but I hope you get the idea. If the gov. takes money from the rich and redestributes it to the poor, what have we done. We are enabling them to do nothing and never to improve their lot in life. Don’t worry the Gov. will take care of you.
ksgrm–
Taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor is bad idea, agreed.
So why does our government take from the poor and middle class and give to the rich?
That’s exactly what we’re seeing with the arena. A sales tax on everyone that will benefit those with the expendible income to go to events there.
That’s exactly what we’re seeing in Iraq. Our tax dollars funneled to private contractors like Halliburton, Blackwater, CACI, Bechtold etc with no oversight except to write the checks.
I voted NO on the arena for much the same reasons you stated. The poor will never be able to afford tickets to the events featured there.
Private contractors have always been used to build and rebuild countries that need help. Would you protest monies going to Darfur. If not that is disengenious because you are then saying what you want to do is better than what someone else wants to do.
Congress should be going after more oversight on this spending instead of wasting their time drafting legislation they know is going nowhere.
Look at how the primaries are shaping up:Iowa–polls among activists (and likely caucus participants) show Edwards is leading.Nevada–Anybody’s race at this point.New Hampshire–Obama and Clinton both need a breakthrough here. With Kansas now in the mix, the loser here is likely done.South Carolina–Edwards won here last time, should again.Kansas–The rumor has it Clinton is writing us off. An Edwards win here, and…
I am hoping that as the election season approaches more and more people are going to notice Bill Richardson. I still think that guy is a major dark horse, and he did well in the debate. He is I think by far the single best qualified candidate, and he can shake the strength of the GOP in the west (nothing is going to happen to shake the strength of the GOP in the south).
Grm, I do not wish the government to take care of me. What I want is a job I can advance in. And those aren’t hardly around anymore.
P_Mom,so the Gov’t shuld just crank out a few good local jobs?
Pmom, Believe I have been where you are now. I started my ‘career’ sewing pockets on military fatigues. This made me know that if I had to work, and I did, I wanted more choices. I started taking college classes at our local community college and started moving up in the work world. The last ten years I worked I was the finance director for a very large company. I did this without a degree. At 57 when a new CEO showed me the door because I had no degree and he thought that position called for one, I went back to school at 57 and got it.
I will admit I had help in doing this. It happened to be the same year Boeing laid off a large number of people and because the CEO couldn’t tell the real reason he terminated me, he said he had elimenated my position, I qualified as a displaced person. The state helped me and hundreds of others get our degrees. That is why I say help is ok but if they had just paid me to set at home, I would have learned nothing, and never been able to pull myself. Gov. does play a part in helping others help themselves. It took three semesters to achieve something I had not had the time or money for in the past.
I would encourage to take small steps at first and then larger ones as the opportunity arises. There are funds available depending on which field you want to enter. Talk to community college counselors, talk to vo-tech schools, see what programs are out there. You sound like a very smart person that can do well when challenged. Go for it!!
ksgrm – a lot of agreement here. Let’s focus on education including retraining and get people where they can make good money. I am not doing the same things today I was doing 10 or 20 or 30 years ago; my skill set is also considerably expanded.
This is one reason I got so angry when they eviscerated Vo-Tech. Although I have no “interest” there in reality I do. This is a critical part of that ’system’ that we need.
Right on Ben. That is where I got my first computer skills in a Vo-Tech in Afton Ok. in the 1070’s. It scared me to death at first. Pmom you are so far ahead of where I was when I re-entered the work force that you definitely should go for it. You have a cheering squad of one in me. I felt overwhelmed at times because by that time I had three sons with very business schedules and a husband that worked long hours. Studying at 3 in the morning was lonely but quiet. I learned you can work on 3 hours of sleep every now and then.
Sol, does your comment even warrant a response?
Phht.
“Do your REALLY think Dems in the South will vote in a black man? Not from what I’ve seen. There’s a lot of racial tension down there to this day.”
Most Democrats in the south are now black and most blacks in the south are Democrats. Obama will do well down here. As for the general, Democrats don’t win in the south anyway and won’t waste any time or money down here for the general. There are too many other states they can win.
In his column, Page almost appears to be working from the premise that the so-called front-runners–Clinton, Obama and Edwards–outperformed the so-called second tier candidates because they seemed on camera to be veterans of less-than-mediocre TV progams like “American Idol” and “Dancing With the Stars.” Does Page truly believe that voters will put Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama at the top of the heap because their performances were reminiscent of reality television? His piece in today’s Eagle is proof that some columnists are every bit as mediocre as the politicians they write about. Page seems intent on letting the rest of us know that people like Governor Richardson of New Mexico are so far below the front-runners that they might as well not even bother showing up for the next debate. This premise, of course, is presumably built on the notion that members of the media and various high rollers were correct this winter when they jumped the gun once again and picked Clinton and Obama as the leaders. Did anyone take a minute to allow the race to develop? Or did they all just jump right into the free-for-all and start running their big mouths before voters had a chance to consider the talent? One thing I noticed about Page’s column: he expended zero of his available inches telling us what the so-called front-runners have done to achieve their elevated status. If you read the monthly periodicals, for instance, it’s clear that Clinton and Obama have had the most success in California getting along with the movie star set. And, hey, I’m not knocking fundraising ability, I guess, since it’s clearly a prime indicator of a politician’s desire to serve the people. And who am I to argue with Barbara Streisand? If the Hollywood people have already made up their minds, that’s good enough for me. I’ll just throw a coin in the air come election season, or maybe wait for Page to come out with another column which advises me about the reasons why one front-runner trumps another. The only other thing that I would say in response to Page is that many of the savvy Democrats I know have already pin-pointed Richardson as the best candidate in the field. I look forward to watching the Governor have at it in a debate where the contestants are given more than 60 seconds to share their views.
I have talked to several prominent Republicans, and Desert Storm veterans who are pro-war, who said “Sen. Obama” when I asked them the question, “Is there a currently declared Democratic candidate for president who you can imagine yourself under some set of circumstances voting for.” This was not a promise they made to vote for Obama, of course, but it reinforces my impression that there will be many Republicans and Independent voters who would vote for Obama – if he wins the nomination – and depending of course on who is the Republican candidate.
Kelly,
Is it wise to stake the fate of the Supreme Court on a gentleman who has only been in the U.S. Senate since 2004? Considering what happened to Kerry in the ‘04 battle, I am not confident that Obama has what it takes to counter-punch the Republican attack machine. The argument that he will be surrounded by experienced people is not enough to persuade me, either. Kerry had experienced people and so did Gore. Finally, it is up to the candidate to be fast on his feet and make his own decisions. Am I wrong about this?
Earlier today I walking by a radio that was tuned to NPR and some lady reporter interviewed “hundreds of women” about Hillary.
The reporter said, none believed Hillary would be President.
I can’t offer anymore data than that. What the original question about Hillary was either.
I have no idea if Obama can be President, he has a chance like any other.
I think most people like “New Guy” on the national political scene. He’s different without a long track record in Congress, give him a chance, learn who he is. Republican and Democrat voters both are curious.
The next President, if an attack like 9/11 happens again, has PDA’s now. Handheld technology with real time messaging and data.
Bush got that whisper in his ear, froze him in shock for long moments. The next President will get a whisper and the PDA offered.
Video of whats happening. Some text messages from the Alphabet Agencies.
There won’t be a button to push, that sends missiles from the PDA.
No matter the 9/11 type event, the President has to respond in 24 hours. In a serious national security, remember the President is trying to dodge the attackers in Air Force One. Until settled somewhere in a protected “war room” the counter attack can’t happen that fast.
The Vice President has to get away from the Prez and hide before counter attack happens.
During a large disaster of any type, the Federal Government does and should take the leading role. The state and local agencies should step back into a supporting role for the Federal role. When 9/11 happened, it was not the NYPD that led the investigation. It was the FBI as it should have been. It is silly for people to expect state and local governments to handle major disasters like a whole city flooded which is ever worse than 9/11 because 9/11, as horrific as it was, was localized. If the whole of Manhattan or Brooklyn was suddenly under 20 feet of water neither Rudy or anybody else would be able to handle it alone. The Federal Gvt would be expected to send troops, rescue people and equipment and rightly so.
TRT- You are not wrong to want a President who will be an independent thinker (which he has already proven as a senator), inquisitive, and intellectually sharp. I am confident that Obama has these qualities. He was editor of the Harvard Law Review – so he ain’t no slouch upstairs.
Of course, I think several Democratic candidates will fit this description. Several Republicans, too. But my arguments stated earlier about why he can appeal to Independents and moderate Rs were intended to demonstrate why he may be more electable than others. The campaign trail will be a proving ground. We’ll just have to see how he does, and the role that future unplanned events will have on the race – on both sides.
In my view, Barack Obama will gain more independent and Republican votes than will Hillary. That is not an anti-Hillary comment, just my political junkie opinion.
I also believe that Obama will attract a highly competent staff of young, innovative and idealistic individuals.
The debate forum was not advantageous to Obama with it’s limited time frames. Once the field is narrowed down, I think you will see Barack’s talents come to the forefront.
There is one thing that will work to Barack Obama’s advantage as president – he won’t have a tough act to follow.
Anyone will look great after George W Bush.
My main objection to the whole process is that front-runners are determined by the amount of money that they can raise early in the campaign. I’m fully aware, by the way, that I am swimming against a powerful current in filing this complaint. Still and all, I can’t help remembering that the same Democratic Party power players who picked Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama also picked dud number one, Al Gore, in 2000, and followed that brainchild up with dud number two, John Kerry, in 2004.
It’s getting a little hard to have faith.
Obama will not be the democratic nominee. He is black. The photos of him and Sharpton cause vomitations among even liberals.Sorry, but true.
I worry that Sharpton and Jackson will have keys to the Oval Office if Obama gets elected.If Hillary gets elected I worry that she will be too polarizing and be rendered ineffective.If Gore gets elected I worry that we will get more of the same from his past…..boring leadership.
I worry that liberalism will supercede common sense and this nation will become one big sappy sissy place.
I would certainly hope that the country as a whole has moved beyond Senator Obama’s skin color. Besides, Sharpton is a Hillary supporter.
Furthermore, some polls show that Barack has moved ahead of Senator Clinton. Race seems to mean little for most thinking voters at this point.
That attitude may have not reached all of Wichita at this point, but Obama wouldn’t get the nod in Republican Kansas anyway.
Thank God you only get one vote, Mr. Vandalay.
What with all the mighty achievements of his tough guy Republicans, I can see why Art’s in a dizzy. In fact, unless I’m mistaken, Georgie Porgie himself was on the telly earlier today, positively dazzling the citizenry with his insight and erudition.
“I will admit I had help in doing this. It happened to be the same year Boeing laid off a large number of people and because the CEO couldn’t tell the real reason he terminated me, he said he had elimenated [sic] my position, I qualified as a displaced person. The state helped me and hundreds of others get our degrees. That is why I say help is ok but if they had just paid me to set at home, I would have learned nothing, and never been able to pull myself. Gov. does play a part in helping others help themselves. It took three semesters to achieve something I had not had the time or money for in the past.”
So, grm, if I ever see you post one of your BULLSHIT conservative, ever-person-for-themselves-post again. I will post this quote of yours.
You are the utmost of hypocrisy. You take advantage of liberal government, and they have the unmitigated GALL to bitch about it same the time. PATHETIC and you piss me off, GREATLY, in case you can’t tell.
Lady, you are one serious lying creep.
Please don’t post on this blog anymore, if you even have one shread of decency…
Thank you.
Ahhh, another rant from Davis. I shouldn’t be surprised. It’s standard practice from him.
Moving on…
The way I see it – if Hillary “no more Rodham” Clinton or Osama Obama win the nomination – then we’ll be ensure of having another Republican in the White House in ‘08.
Neither Hill nor Obama is electable.
“Osama Obama?” Is that like “Adolph Bush?” Or maybe “George Hitler?”
::eyeroll::
Steven Davis who do you think you are that you can tell me or anyone else whether or not we can post. Who are you to call me or anyone else on this blog a liar. What have I lied about?
I worked hard to get to where I am and I deserved everything I was ‘given’ by the government. I have never said people should not be helped to better themselves.
I have said and will continue to say government hand out programs are wrong for several reasons. They teach nothing but give recipients the expectation that all they have to do is set around with their hand out and everything they need will fall into it. Oh and for this you just have to vote for our party every 2 or 4 years.
You are purposefully taking out of context a statement I made in encouraging Pmom to do something to better her position. She has said several times that she would like to find a better job but didn’t have the qualifications.
What you didn’t say anything about was that I picked up 82 credit hours toward a degree in accounting on my own dollar while raising three sons and holding down a full time job. You also didn’t say that I was promoted to a very high position in a large corporation because of my knowledge and work ethic.
People like you sicken me because I know you are out there poisoning others with your pathetic attitude.
“The way I see it – if Hillary “no more Rodham” Clinton or Osama Obama win the nomination – then we’ll be ensure of having another Republican in the White House in ‘08.”
The Dems could run a Kucinich/Sharpton ticket and win the next election. Face it: the next president is going to be a Democrat. All the Dem nominee has to do is remind the people that the (R) next to his opponent is the same (R) next to George W. Bush. People are ready for change, and they know that won’t happen with another Republican running things.
And “Osama Obama?” Come up with that all by yourself, little one? Isn’t it a bit past your bedtime?
Oh no, the “out of context” argument from germ. Well I guess she shut me down there.
Please, everybody, read her posts. She is one very stinking hypocrite.
Government programs are okay for her, but no one else. It is the “context”, okay??? (She got that one from Hank and Nathan).
How very pathetic.
Please don’t stink up this blog, with your bullshit any more, germ, okay?
Thanks for you consideration.
Hey, you guys and gals, it is OKAY if Germ sucks on the teat of the government, because somehow she has earned it. The rest of you had better not try it because you (according to her, with all her objectivity) haven’t earned it.
This pathetic woman sickens me and should any objective person. Here is a repeat of her bullshit:
“Steven Davis who do you think you are that you can tell me or anyone else whether or not we can post. Who are you to call me or anyone else on this blog a liar. What have I lied about?
“I worked hard to get to where I am and I deserved everything I was ‘given’ by the government. I have never said people should not be helped to better themselves.
“I have said and will continue to say government hand out programs are wrong for several reasons. They teach nothing but give recipients the expectation that all they have to do is set around with their hand out and everything they need will fall into it. Oh and for this you just have to vote for our party every 2 or 4 years.
“You are purposefully taking out of context a statement I made in encouraging Pmom to do something to better her position. She has said several times that she would like to find a better job but didn’t have the qualifications.
“What you didn’t say anything about was that I picked up 82 credit hours toward a degree in accounting on my own dollar while raising three sons and holding down a full time job. You also didn’t say that I was promoted to a very high position in a large corporation because of my knowledge and work ethic.
“People like you sicken me because I know you are out there poisoning others with your pathetic attitude.”
When conservatives such as Nathan, Hank, and Germ have no other bullshit to peddle, they trot out the “out of context” argument. Jesus wept.
“Obama will not be the democratic nominee. He is black. The photos of him and Sharpton cause vomitations among even liberals.Sorry, but true.”
First of all he is not black. He is bi racial and you, being from Kansas where his mother is from, should know that she is caucassoid. Secondly race is only important to Republicans- the racist party. Why do you think all their candidates are white males?
I fully agree. Actually if I could wave a magis wand, our ticket would be Richardson/Obama 08. Not only would Richardson sweep the west, the fact that he is Hispanic should bring out millions of voters in close states. With Obama sweeping the midwest and bringing out the black vote in the south, victorywould be assured.
” am hoping that as the election season approaches more and more people are going to notice Bill Richardson. I still think that guy is a major dark horse, and he did well in the debate. He is I think by far the single best qualified candidate, and he can shake the strength of the GOP in the west”
I cannot even begin to know how much the government has helped me. Let’s see, they paid for my full education K-12. They paid for the roads I will drive to my job and and my son’s high school graducation which they also paid for. I could write all day about how wonderful government programs really are for the American people. Their are those- the GOP- that will tell you government is bad. They will tell you that you should avoid taxes and, that by allowing the rich to get richer, somehow you will be better off. All you have to do is look at places like Hati to see what the future of the United States will be if they get their way. A few very wealthy people living in gated and guarded mansions with the masses living in shanty towns. Is this what you want for America?
And please do not think I cannot spell. I type fast and make errors. I do know it is GRADUATION