Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife, Lynne, proudly posed Wednesday with their new grandson, Samuel David Cheney. Their lesbian daughter, Mary Cheney, gave birth to the baby and will raise him with her longtime partner, Heather Poe.
To his credit, Cheney has always been consistent in his support for gay relationships, saying during the 2004 campaign that "freedom means freedom for everyone." But the baby is a potent reminder of the extent to which politics is personal.
When those involved are family, you tend to want the best for them, and a chance for dignity and a full life, whether they’re straight or gay.
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I saw that picture yesterday, and my immediate thought was this:
WHERE ARE THE MOMS????
Why did Dick Cheney find it necessary to pose for a picture with his grandson that *EXCLUDES* that child’s parents?
What is he ashamed of?
“When those involved are family, you tend to want the best for them, and a chance for dignity and a full life, whether they’re straight or gay.”
Apparantly that’s not true for values boy and his new child. I remember some discussion about how he would react if his child were gay.
Or perhaps you could ask the gay teens who are disowned by their parents and forced out of the home?
I’m glad the cheneys actually walk their talk about family values. Too bad so many others dont.
I saw that picture yesterday, and my immediate thought was this:
WHERE ARE THE MOMS????
Why did Dick Cheney find it necessary to pose for a picture with his grandson that *EXCLUDES* that child’s parents?
What is he ashamed of?
I saw that picture yesterday, and my immediate thought was this:
WHERE ARE THE MOMS????
Why did Dick Cheney find it necessary to pose for a picture with his grandson that *EXCLUDES* that child’s parents?
What is he ashamed of?
Posted by: Tom | May 24, 2007 at 12:19 PM
I have quite a few pictures of me or my wife or both of us with our grandkids. Few WITH the grandkids AND thier parents. It has nothing to do with shame. I am not ashamed of my kids or their spouses. It’s the Grandkid that is the focus. I understand your point, but I think it could vey well be no more than what I have described
Damn Tom,that was a jump to a conclusion moment wasn’t it..
What Cheney’s daughter is gay! Randy, don’t you know you can’t go around outing Cheney’s daughter, it will cause righteous indignation from the bushies!
Oh, excuse me I forgot, John Kerry let the cat out of the bag already!
Tom,”I saw that picture yesterday, and my immediate thought was this:
WHERE ARE THE MOMS????”
Don’t take it personally; all grandparents claim the credit for their grandchildren.
Everybody knows that having grandkids is better than having kids anyway, don;t they? :)
“Or perhaps you could ask the gay teens who are disowned by their parents and forced out of the home?”———-
Oh come on – that probably rarely happens.
My parents display dozens of pics of my kids with them – and not with me in the shot.
Tom – you’re looking for trouble.
They’re proud of their grand baby – can’t you let them enjoy that without trying to insert vitriol?
I guess that depends on your definition of “probably rarely happens”.
“Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender youth: An epidemic of homelessness” from the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force in collaboration with the National Coalition for the Homeless.
Of the estimated 1.6 million homeless American youth, up to 42 percent identify as lesbian or gay, and a disproportionate number identify as bisexual or transgender.
Why do LGBT youth become homeless? In one study, 26 percent of gay teens who came out to their parents/guardians were told they must leave home.
LGBT youth also leave home due to physical, sexual and emotional abuse. LGBT youth report they are threatened, belittled and abused at shelters by staff as well as other residents.
Download the report: http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/HomelessYouth.pdf (pdf format)
Better question…why doesn’t Cheney pose with some of the babies that will never meet their fathers because they were killed in Iraq?
Why must you comment on subjects that you know nothing about GS? Is your sole purpose in life to stalk Farmie and question anything that she says? You cannot possibly know what gay youths go through. But you feel compelled to comment on their struggles. And I for one do not doubt that they get kicked out of theri homes after coming out to their parents. If half of republicans are as small minded as those that post here I guarantee it is happening. So do us all a favor and hold your comments to subjects that you are familiar with.
Get a life.
Kerry did not out Mary Cheney. She outed herself many years before the 2004 election. Her lesbian status was well known and, to her credit, she has never hid her status.
http://www.gayteens.org/714/Article969.html
Damn straight Dick Cheney is happy. That baby can provide blood and organs to keep that a-hole alive for a few more years. Mary Cheney helped Dick dodge the draft and now her kid will help him out again.
I wouldn’t have given that picture a second thought if it weren’t for the fact that this isn’t the first time Mary Cheney and/or her partner has been excluded from “family photos” intended for public release.
In 2000, at the Republican National Convention, Mary appeared onstage with her parents, her sister, and her sister’s husband and children. Heather Poe, Mary’s partner, was not permitted to join them.
In 2004, Mary and Heather were both missing from the “family moment” on stage.
There are other examples like this – these are not isolated examples. This is just the latest.
“Damn straight Dick Cheney is happy. That baby can provide blood and organs to keep that a-hole alive for a few more years.” – Doug
Nice comment Doug. I hope it was your clumsy attempt at humor.
You know, come to think of it, I’ve NEVER seen a pic of dick and lynn together with Heather and Mary.
Farmgrrl,
My point exactly, and the reason for my outburst.
Some sh** just pisses me off.
No photo of the Cheney couple is probably for their privacy and protection. I’m sure it’s difficult enough not to end up on the front page of some news rag.
OMG republican. I can find pictures of Mary and Heather, alone and/or together, in a heart beat.
But NONE exist for dick and lynn and Mary and Heather in the same frame.
Mary was like the liason to the LGBT community for Coors. Hardly a low profile job for someone who needs protection.
And Heather attends political events. She can be photographed in the seats, just cant be photographed with the in-laws.
The cheneys as in-laws. Now THERE’s a chilling thought…
Farmgrrl,
You left out that Mary Cheney was paid management for her dad’s re-election.
Republican,
It’s laughable that you are concerned about Mary Cheney’s “privacy,” yet earlier today you found it acceptable to post my full name without my permission.
KFG,
Why would you trot out data to refute GS’s contention about LGBT kids? When one has one’s mind [sic] made up about everything in life, why the hell would one need any stinking data?
At best providing data to the likes of some folks here is not a good idea. They can get more vicious if that have that hurting in their head that is associated with thinking. To create such pain for those folks is cruel and unusual punishment — I would contend.
Hey Tom Witt, hover the link over your name and get over it. Either change it in Typekey or quit your whining.
Do you need a hankie Tom? Or should I get a pillow so you can have a good cry?
I wish I had your name, SnotPuke.
That way, I could make sure I never accidentally meet you . . .
Yeah Capn, I opted for an ideological name rather than a cartoon.
I mean your real name. So I’d never have to meet you in real life.
Damn, is this guy stuck on stupid or what?
Ask ambiguous questions Capn and you get ambiguous answers.
Republican,
He didn’t ask a question. But you’re so primed and ready on the attack you don’t see that, do you?
Implied, Tom implied, a wish which he will never get.
You prove my point. It’s all about the attack, relentless and personal.
It’s a shame, really, because you’re smart enough, and often lucid enough, to know better.
Who else ReplagiarCon has earned a new nic-name?
The 50 year old virgin?
…still think repub. is esod aka Hank aka who knows how many others
Who else THINKS . . . oops
Oh goody! I have another nic now according to BFAH!
BFAH–
Republican is not Hank. No effing way.
esod was Hank, but that was a long time ago.
You’ve proved nothing Tom. You say nothing to WSClark, CapnAmerica, Steve Davis, CF2K, Doug, kev and ksfarmgrrl for their relentless personal attacks.
Tom, hypocrisy is thy name.
Well, you bring it on yourself, 50YOV, by nic-switching and then denying it.
“A liar is never believed, even when he tells the truth.” Aesop
Aw, the Republican attack dog is going to go cry because somebody hurt his feelings. Poor little boy.
Tom–
I used to think Republican was smart enough to know better too.
But now, I’m not sure.
What we see as dishonesty might be simple stupidity in reasoning and remembering . . .
And there’s no fix for stupid.
CapnAmerica, prove it.
Oh I forgot, you cannot.
You’re just another clueless poster who tries to get oneupmanship by assigning nic names to posters he disagrees with.
Isn’t that about the measure of it Capn? :)
See, not one word from Tom on the commenter’s from the Left. My point is valid.
Republican,
Read my post: It wasn’t I who proved, it was you. ;)
Also: I don’t defend their personal attacks. In fact, I’ve sometimes chided some of those you’ve named when their attacks have gone waaaay over the line, such as when one poster insinuated another was having sex with his granddaughter (not mentioning names, only because it was ugliness by and for both involved).
What’s the matter, ‘Puke, a taste of your own medicine too much for you to handle?
You can dish it out but can’t take it, now can you?
See, not one word from Tom on the commenter’s from the Left. My point is valid.Posted by: Republican | May 24, 2007 at 04:49 PM
WTF???
I don’t type fast enough for you, Republican? I don’t stay glued to my computer long enough for you, Republican? I don’t make my days revolve around rebutting your endless bullshit, and that somehow disappoints you, or wins you empty debating points?
Good grief.
You’re not bothering me WSClark, continue on, I find it entertaining.
Although, a bit on the middle school rankings, somewhat entertaining.
Let me know when you can come up with some original thought Clarkie.
Tom disappointed from you? ROFLMAO!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
I’ve proven that you are a liar without question many times over and you know it. (See above)
As far as proving you’re a nic-switcher, that’s harder to do, but there’s a lot of circumstancial evidence that links you to JM, particularly the one thing that you can’t lie about–time of posts.
You, JM, and RightAngle all routinely post between 12 midnight and 5 AM.
No one else does.
Also, you really slipped up when you commented on the use of “MILFY” on the WEBlog. That entire discussion took place before you claim to have started posting here.
So you were either speaking authoritatively about something you knew nothing about (A LIE).
Or you did know about it because you were posting way back before you said you were posting (A LIE).
Take your pick.
And there’s plenty more where that came from . . .
Pardon the paraphrase…
If it looks like an a$$hole and it smells like and a$$hole and the emanations are just like those from an a$$hole…well, you get the idea ;-}
So, ‘Puke, why is it that you can’t play by your own self-proclaimed rules? What happened with that? From what I have gathered, the only time you condemn personal attacks is when someone on the left hits someone on the right. I have never seen you defend anyone on the left, even when they were subject to completely unwarranted attacks from the right.
Apparently, Republican, you wear your hypocrisy like a badge of honor.
Lesbians should not be allowed custody of children. Maybe that’s why the Vice President and his wife are holding their daughter Mary’s bastard son, without her in the picture.
Yeah Capn, a cartoon character you are; spending his life trying to prove negatives and generally making a fool of himself.
Republican,
You accused me of being a “hypocrite” at 4:44. At 4:49, you attacked me for not responding to your 4:44 post fast enough.
What’s the obsession? Type all the “ROFLMAO”’s you want. I know you started googling me back when I first started posting here, before I started using Typekey. Your little hints you dropped into conversations gave you away, and you never denied it when I called you out on it.
Again, what’s your obsession?
Did you ever get those peer-reviewed links from the ‘Pukester?
No?
I am shocked–SHOCKED!–I tell you that this man can’t back up his BS.
Parkay:
Kiss my fat gay ass. Bigot.
BFAH, you shouldn’t describe CapnAmerica in that manner. It’s an affront to his gentle disposition.
Parkay, although the description might be a wee bit accurate,it is nevertheless tasteless.
Yeah, you stick with that line, JM.
I’ll provide the evidence and you call me a cartoon.
We’ll let the readers decide which makes better sense . . .
Well, maybe it’s because Tom, you’ve posted your name and email here on the blog like you wanted to be contacted by the Public in general.
Stop weeping in the corner and come stand up on your hind legs.
Capn’s post to Republican,
“That way, I could make sure I never accidentally meet you.”
Test time. If you don’t want to acidentally meet someone, do you want:a) their anonymous nic, “Republican” that’s ALREADY posted ALL over this blog?orb) their real name?
My sincere apologies for the misunderstanding, repub., but I was of course referring to you. Ah well…I guess you have the social intelligence of a small soap dish.
Yes BFAH, I would dump my organic phosphate base upon your dirty mouth. :)
Republican,
You’ve repeatedly said today that I’m “whining” or “crying” or “weeping.” I’ve let all that go – I just consider it typical personal attack bullshit from you. But earlier, you complained another poster was characterizing your thoughts for you, and you took offense. Yet here you are, characterizing my emotional state as if you really know me and know what and how I think.
And you accuse ME of hypocrisy. Nice, very nice.
Oh, and please explain the “hind legs” comment. Are you making an assumption about my anatomy? My species, perhaps? Don’t be coy. Share with all the readers what it is you’re really calling me.
Standing on your hind legs comes from an old expression describing the lesser primates of which some are knuckle dragging.
It means get involved with the topic and not the chest-beating rhetoric, lest ye be called a hypocrite.
Lesser primates of the type that are knuckle-dragging don’t have “hind legs.” They have a pair of legs, and a pair of arms.
Your explanation is more BS.
But thanks for playing.
You know what tickles me silly…imagining you sitting at your keyboard chortling it up thinking you’ve made oh so clever a riposte…
the rapier like wit seems a little dull and rusty these days, rebublican.
Right, Cosmos.
That’s what’s making think: we think he’s dishonest. Maybe he’s just really dumb, like fence post dumb.
“It means get involved with the topic and not the chest-beating rhetoric”
Damn, that describes your style to a “T” Republican.
What was that about hypocrisy?
Attack of the Liberal Leftists!
Impotent and Flaccid!
Except for capnamerica, he gets erections when he talks about me.
I’m surprised BFAH – I thought you might have been a scientist, but I guessed wrong.
I bet Ben would have caught the joke about organic phosphates. :)
Capn,
More likely he’s both dumb and dishonest.
I caught it…it wasn’t funny..what can I say?
About an hour ago Republican said since he “had a life” he was going to a movie.
How’s the movie so far, Republican?
Cos–
Check and . . . checkmate.
capn…said the same last night, but was pecking away 10 minutes later.
Actually, I gotta go.
Keep punching away, folks.
When he throws a hissy fit and stomps off, it’s extremely entertaining.
You can’t BUY that kind of funny . . .
The Vice President’s lesbian daughter gave birth yesterday. Hopefully the courts will step in and take the child away and place it with heterosexual parents. It’s obscene that this society would allow two homosexuals to raise a child. What kind of adult will THAT become?
Leave, so I guess the heteros that raise homosexuals must be horrible parents right?
Your argument holds no weight as studies have already proven a child does just fine being raised by same-sex parents.
What is obscene, is the fact that you’re allowed to breed.
Parkay:
Kiss my fat gay ass. Bigot.
Posted by: Tom | May 24, 2007 at 05:00 PM
heheheeh Tom. Ditto. Although for the record, you dont have a fat ass.
“It’s obscene that this society would allow two homosexuals to raise a child. What kind of adult will THAT become?”
Wow. Perhaps the kind nominated to the U.S. Naval Academy by Sen. Pat Roberts?
Uh, and if I recall, one woman and one man raised BTK…
…and Charles Manson. And the Unibomber. And Tim McVeigh. And the list could go on….
…and did I mention the Columbine guys and the V Tech shooter?
All raised by straight parents.
I’m pretty sure little sam cheney wont grow up to be like those folks no matter WHAT!
hee hee hee pmom!
What is obscene, is the fact that you’re allowed to breed.
Posted by: political_mom | May 24, 2007 at 06:24 PM
We dont know that for sure do we? Perhaps no willing partner could be found.
Loving, concerned, involved parents that have their children’s best interest in mind – that is what makes a good parent.
Christ, if we had more of those and less of the people that concerned themselves with the sexual orientation of other people, the world would be a much better place.
WSClark,
Your 6:32 PM post sums it up perfectly. Thank you.
Thank you, Cosmos. I have three kids – I was not perfect – but I tried.
Despite me, all three grew up to be great adults.
Thanks, again.
sorry, I meant to expose the RW hypocrisy it I do NOT agree with the post…
My gay nephew and his partner raised his son who turned out to be a very well adjusted, kind, and educated young man..he’s an engineer and now has a beautiful family of his own and my nephew and his partner are the best grandpas any kid can hope for.What it takes to be a good parent is providing a loving, accepting, and secure home and environment, plus the right amount of discipline and guidence.Being a good parent has nothing to do with one’s sexual preference.
Leave, ’tis best to follow such a post with a (wink!!!) or sarcasm/ notation, lest you be taken seriously.
Even though your sarcastic post was way over the top, it is not that inconsistent with some of the stuff from our more right wing posters.
It’s a shame, really, because you’re smart enough, and often lucid enough, to know better.Posted by: Tom | May 24, 2007 at 04:41 PM
>gag<
Unless you meant “unintentionally informative about the writer” instead of “lucid.”
Tom, hypocrisy is thy name.
Gee Republican, aren’t you the one who won’t go fight the war you support? I think that coward AND hypocrisy are your names.
hi happy the fister…
Well, you know I’d go in a heartbeat to get active duty pay, about 5900/month for me.
However,I don’t think I’d pass the physical as a disabled vet as old as I am.
But do keep trying happy, maybe you will come up with something worth printing.
If anyone is interested in peer-reviewed studies of gay parents and their children, send me an email. I have the PDFs stored on my computer.As said previously, with all other factors being equal, children of gay parents are just as happy/successful/well-adjusted than children of hetero ones.
Of course, the people who think otherwise don’t give two poops about science, I’m sure :(
If anyone is interested in peer-reviewed studies of gay parents and their children, send me an email. I have the PDFs stored on my computer.As said previously, with all other factors being equal, children of gay parents are just as happy/successful/well-adjusted as children of hetero ones.
Of course, the people who think otherwise don’t give two poops about science, I’m sure :(
oops this blog has changed since I last posted. taratc-at-hawaii-dot-edu
Republican,
The posts on this thread strongly suggest you need to get a life. I am sorry that you are in pain and that you are on the government dole. It is time for you to get a life. Your contribution here is absolutely nothing. You convince anyone who knows anything what a pathetic jerk you are. I do not excuse my like-minded liberals for pointing that out. But, face it man… you are toast here and have been here for too long a time.
I’m sorry your life is so sad. The rest of us are tired of hearing it, okay?
Good night.
Okay Steven Davis, continue to walk on in Lock-Step with your Lib friends. Here, I’ll do cadence for you…
Ein, Zwei, Dri, VierEin, Zwei, Dri, Vier
Achtung!
Republican,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law
I know what it is Cosmos, but I have noticed more and more Liberals are walking in lockstep on about any subject.
Perhaps a better analogy would have been Soviet Union Lockstep, the Libs are more Socialistic.
Republican,
Just because almost everyone on this blog thinks you’re a moron doesn’t mean we’re “Liberals walking in lockstep.” Hell, we all believe the earth isn’t flat, too. Some things are just obvious.
The only reason you label me Tom is because I use the identical tactics that you Libs use and you can’t take your own medicine.
Stop with the personal attacks and I will as well. One slip up and its back to square one.
One slip up and its back to square one.Posted by: Republican | May 25, 2007 at 12:19 AM
Is that a threat, big boy? Is this like the threat you imagine you made to the guy you imagine hit on you to cut off his genitals while he was sleeping?
You don’t like being called a moron? Here’s how to stop it: Quit using “Liberal” like it’s a vulgarity. Stop comparing those you disagree with to Soviet communists. Cease your repeated characterizations of other people’s thoughts and motives. End your practice of doing nothing but twisting the words of those you style as your opponents.
You may not have noticed, but there are other conservatives on this blog who treat those they disagree with, with respect. They get treated respectfully in return. Speaking for myself, I always try to give you the benefit of the doubt and treat you respectfully. But sometimes, Republican, you go so far beyond the bounds of decency there’s no respect for you possible.
I think that’s sad.
Goodnight, fellow bloggers.
Republican,
Whatever…
Tara,Those studies on sodomite parents are flawed, biased, and unscientific. Nobody wants to read that trash.
Tara,Actually, in my experience, there is a difference in children raised by gay couples that some of those on thei blog may find intolerable.I’ve known quite a few gay couples and single gay parents, and their children. The one difference between them and children raised in “normal” households is that the children of gays are far less prejudiced toward gay people and people in general.
Good point, Jed. Just like children of mixed race couples. One more reason why it’s good for everyone to be more exposed to diversity, it encourages harmoney and discourages intolerance.
Mary,And that’s exactly why our RR friends here are against gay families (as well as mixed-race families), it promotes exactly the hands-on tolerance that keeps them from dividing people into good and evil categories, and that’s the only two pigeon-holes they’ve got!