No doubt some Americans will be upset by the Senate voting overwhelmingly Thursday to allow illegal immigrants to stay in the United States. But they are in the minority — albeit a vocal one. According to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, a large majority of Americans support allowing illegal immigrants to gain legal status (62 percent) and to get renewable guest-worker visas if they pay fines and pass background checks (67 percent) — two key provisions of the immigration reform bill before Congress. Most Americans understand that rounding up and shipping out millions of illegal immigrants wouldn’t be practical or good for our economy.
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But I sure didn’t expect that they’d allow ALL of them to stay. I wanted a limit of five years. They had to live here for five years before they could be considered for this.
I do think that the bill says those who aren’t applying for citizenship have to go back and reapply for visas and stuff like that. I like that. I don’t want people just hanging out here if they aren’t wanting to be citizens of our country.
That’s still a whole lot of jobs being outsourced in our own nation.
Easy problem to solve. Just requires two steps.
Levi huge, and I mean, huge fines on employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens. The fine should be so high that it has the potential to put the company out of business. I’m talking about $1 million dollars per alien per violation.
Remove the anchor baby status for all illegal aliens. If you are illegal in this country, yet have a child born in this country before you file any paperwork to gain legal status, then your child is also and should be treated as an illegal alien.
Those two enactments will greatly slow down immigration.
You need to stem off the demand (jobs available and easy to get for illegals) and motivation (those easy to get jobs and anchor babies).
Look! This is just another go around and it will happen again. The USA did this for illegals back in the 1960’s with Ted Kennedy on the forefront of it. The big one in 1986, also Ted Kennedy (which he said that illegal immigration would stop) but it increased ten fold since then.
Since 1986 Congress keeps passing amnesty bills and a number of them at that. I betcha didn’t know that. Here’s a break down.
1. Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA), 1986: A blanket amnesty for some 2.7 million illegal aliens
2. Section 245(i) Amnesty, 1994: A temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens
3. Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty, 1997: An extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994
4. Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America
5. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA), 1998: An amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti
6. Late Amnesty, 2000: An amnesty for some illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty, an estimated 400,000 illegal aliens
7. LIFE Act Amnesty, 2000: A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty, an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens
8. Nine current bills are vying to be Amnesty No. 8
Wait to go Brownlee. Get a poll that is tainted and “Cherry pick” uyour polls to show your bias.
here ya go “Phoolish Phil”, here is the Rasmussen report.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/just_26_favor_senate_immigration_plan
What your poll here does not state and what YOU INTENTIONALLY AND MISLEADINGLY LEFT OUT, is that people do support “legalization” if the BORDER IS SECURED.
56% in the Rasmussen poll is also the number stating “Enforcement only” approach.
The “Amnesty Corwd” forgets that most of the immigration laws are ineffect ARE EXACTLY THE SAME as in this bill, and a promise to again ENFORCE THE BORDER.
The people opposing this crappy bill currently in the Senate are those that Want the border secured first. otherwise do nothing.
IF this thing passes BEFORE there is any border security, we get flooded wiht all illegls and our economy will suffer.
I also do not believe we need to be invinting and legalizing more people is the economic slowdown we are going into with energy prices and our dollar devaluating.
This bill also lets anyone show that they were in the country by using a phone or electric bill. FRAUS will be huge.
It also allows CHAIN MIGRATIN which is what the dems are crying about. They want to bring Jose and all his family in here. CRAZY!
YOU MR. Brownlee need to do some dreading and educate yourself. the bill is availible here:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00157
Roll call votes and everything there.
Educate yourself Phill.
This Bill will cost every young person in this country their Social Security Benefits. IT will cost taxpayers over $2.7 TRILLION Dollars.
The Country’s Debt is $4.7 Trillion Now. IF you think the debt is bad now and the dollar will reduce in viability with this bill.
This bill was not before any committee, and is a piece of crap.
Joe,
The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution says “1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..”
To deny citizenship rights to children born in the United States, the Constitution must be amended. There’s no law, executive order, or INS administrative regulation that can change that.
“Most Americans understand that rounding up and shipping out millions of illegal immigrants wouldn’t be practical or good for our economy.”
Most Americans also recognize that processing those same 12-20 million and getting fines out of them, and vaildating them and doing criminal backgrownd checks is also not possible.
So this bill is a sham.
End the lure, start enforcing the laws already on the books and THE we will sort this illegal alien thing out.
They came here illegally, they have NO CLAIM to legal status and it should not be granted.
They can always go home, and LOTS have already as the “housing boom” has dried up.
THis bill is bad for America and bad for AMRICAN TAXPAYER Citizens, LEGAL immigrants, and LEGAL residents.
It gives protected status and NONE of the illegal aliens have to pay BACK TAXES, but legal Residents. Legal Immigtrants do, and so do Citizens.
This bill is on that simple issue not constitutional. NOt in the “protected status” given to illegal aliens, not in all the perks and “rights” given to them, and not in the unfairness that the immigration bill gives to the illegal aliens.
One other thing, this bill has a provision in it for US the American Taxpayer to provide attornies for all 12-20 million in their criminal and civil and immigration cases!!!!
I do not think that price has adequately been quantified.
As I said there is lots in this bill that is crap.
And the terrible “journalist and eidtorial writer” Phil, goes with a poll!
IS Phil Dumb? Yes I think so.
Is Phil a Journalist? NO he is an activist!
“The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution says “1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..”"
Tom the illegal aliens are not here legally, so they are not “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”, therefore the “anchor babies” are not citizens.
Illegals in the United States aren’t subject to the laws of the United States????
LMFGAO
That’s pretty good, Tyler. That’s as good as when AGAG said “there’s no right to habeus corpus in the Constitution.”
Good grief, did IQs suddenly drop around here overnight?
For the Constitutionally challenged, here’s the full text:
http://usconstitution.net/const.html
I know that Tom.
But an amendment to the constitution would pass pretty easily, given the nature of it.
But with Democrats in control of Congress, there’s no way in hell. Illegal immigrants to them are future Democrat voters. They could care less how much an illegal immigrant cost American tax payers. You also notice that this implies to low-skilled and uneducated immigrants for the most part. A group which is easily exploited and manipulated. Another dependent class and a win-win for the Democrat Party.
I could care less about the Democrat Party’s motivation for allowing non-stop immigration. I just care about America and assimilation. If illegal immigrants want to become Americans, there is no problem with that and I encourage it. But we know that this is not the case, especially of those coming from Mexico and Latin America.
The dirty little secret about many of the illegal immigrants is that they hate Americans. They may smile at you when they mow your lawn or speak nicely to you at a construction site, but behind close doors and in their own circle they despise Americans, especially Anglo (white) Americans.
Anchor bbies are born in the United States. Therefore they ARE citizens. This has been ruled upon numerous times.
“But with Democrats in control of Congress, there’s no way in hell. Illegal immigrants to them are future Democrat voters.”
Joe! Is that why BUSH is pushing this bill?
The one thing that neither side is coming around to is that this bill WILL bankrupt Social Security, and the Entitlements, and knock many US Citizens Poor out. Remember THE CITIZEN is legally able to work, wome of the Illegal Aliens are not.
THis bill and it’s cost socially, institutionally, and economically are astronomical.
IT is beyond belief that many of those posting here have obviousily NOT READ THE BILL!!!!!!
You would see and know it is “whoring for votes” and if you are concerned about “immigrants”, WELL…. They lose BIG TIME!
THe LEgal immigrants get no provisions, it all goes to those here illegally.
That is not a responsible bill I don;t care HOW you spin it.
And Tom, posting a link to the constitution does not make you ac scholar. The “Anchor Babies” issue has NOT been tried in the Supreme Court. NOT with ILLEGAL ENTRANTS!!!!
Ben I think most here will agree that this isn’t strictly a political issue. Both parties see the leaders of their parties pushing this insane legislation. In this you will see me Bush bashing big time.
Tyler is right about the impact of this amnesty bill on our existing programs. Social Security will be dealth a death blow. Health care will have to be socialized to handle the influx of illegals becoming ‘legal’ and therefore legally able to go on welfare and federally and state funded health care. Our education already is in crisis because of the need to hire instructors for the large number of children who have as their first language something other that english.
I know rounding up 12 million illegals and deporting them would not be logistically possible but until we address the underlying problems with migration such as open borders we are selling out America to the highest bidder.
We are after all the highest contributor to Mexico. As for the ‘anchor baby’ law I think this is one constitutional ammendment I could support.
I think Federal Aid Money and payments that we give to other countries should be “billed” and witheld to pay for their poor they are exporting.
It is not the fault of the US CITIZEN TAXPAYERS that the IS Government did not enforce laws.
The Taxpayer should not be made to pay for this when it is the despots and corruption of OTHER COUNTRIES that WE HAVE ALREADY PAID MONEY TOO, that they then EXPORT THEIR POOR FOR THE TAXPAYER TO TAKE CARE OF!!!!
“I know rounding up 12 million illegals and deporting them would not be logistically possible but until we address the underlying problems with migration such as open borders we are selling out America to the highest bidder.”
ATTRITION IS possible, and workable. ROund up the employers, and stop the hiring of illegal aliens. THey will leave because there is no job, or they will turn to crime, same difference.
Holy shit. The wingnuts are especially wingnutty today.
“The one thing that neither side is coming around to is that this bill WILL bankrupt Social Security, and the Entitlements, and knock many US Citizens Poor out.”
Please provide some numbers or SOMETHING to back that up.
And you wingnuts contradict each other.
First Durden says: “THe LEgal immigrants get no provisions, it all goes to those here illegally.”
Then germie says: “Social Security will be dealth a death blow. Health care will have to be socialized to handle the influx of illegals becoming ‘legal’ and therefore legally able to go on welfare and federally and state funded health care.”
So which is it? The LEGAL workers get the benefits or the ILLEGAL workers get the benefits.
Perhaps durden could give some backup that the “legals” get nothing and the illegals get everything?
Jesus wept. NOW who hasnt read the bill?
But then, that’s durden. Long on spittle and froth, short on facts…
And germie, for god’s sake, can you back ANY of this up with proof?
“Social Security will be dealth a death blow. Health care will have to be socialized to handle the influx of illegals becoming ‘legal’ and therefore legally able to go on welfare and federally and state funded health care. Our education already is in crisis because of the need to hire instructors for the large number of children who have as their first language something other that english.”
Or could you at least just admit it is your opinion, not supported by the facts?
Probably not…
A complicated problem indeed. The one point I think people have wrong is this: Naturalizing aliens will depress wages.
The reason many wages are depressed is because illegal aliens have no one to complain to when they are paid way less than minimum wage. If they are legit, they DO have government entities they can complain to, thus making the cheapskate employers responsible for their actions.
Wages will then go up, not down.
Even if this bill does require illegals to return to their homeland and wait 5 years for citizenship, who is going to enforce this being done? We don’t enforce the current immigration laws, why would I expect this new new to be enforced?
I agree that we need to fine heavily those employers who are knowingly hiring illegal immigrants. This is the ONLY way to curb this illegal immigration problem. If there were no cash paying jobs for these illegals, then they would not be here. Plain and simple.
But in today’s climate of global corporations being the almighty God America worships – fat chance of any illegal immigration reform. This is is just another version of slavery and cheap labor.
I don’t see this as a liberal or conservative issue.
You can be a staunch lib like me and think amnesty sucks, as I do.
They “pay a fine” and send in papers?
Oh, goodie. I think I’ll sell heroin until I get caught then I’ll just pay a fine and continue to do it.
Make no mistake. This is a plan to benefit the rich (companies that need cheap manual labor like Best Western and McDonalds) at the expense of the poor (Americans who would do those jobs IF they paid a living wage).
It has nothing to do with discrimination against Hispanics. It has everything to do with protecting American jobs from failed states like Mexico exporting their policy problems to us.
The poll was completely bogus if you read how the questions are worded. If you put in some truths about the new bill it turns about 85-15 the other way. Once you read the bill it takes your breath away to see what they are doing. The INSTANT amnesty with a ONE day background check is breathless in its criminality.
The link below is the entire bill PARAGRAPH by Paragraph with the ability to comment on each paragraph. Check it out.
http://truthlaidbear.com/immigrationbill0518.php?page=1
It is one of the most dangerous pieces of literature Ive seen in a long time.
No wonder Brownback ran and hid from the votes on several amendments. He had to get those always elusive Iowa votes for his foolish and delusional “presidential” campaign.
Hopefully we can turn him out if he dares to run again as Senator.
I was watching the debate and protests against McCain in Arizona and its looking like he may not even make it to Senator there next time either. In fact the AZ Repubs are looking to split and are in talks with some 25 other state orgs now about setting up a break away party.
So Im thinking this will be the downfall of the entire Repub party for 20-30 years.
All for the elites at the Wall Street Journal and Chamber of Commerce and the Slavers in the Democratic party. We had a war 150 years ago to pry slaves away from the Dems, but looks like they are going for the slave vote again.
Funny the bravado rhetoric amongst the Democrats that they controlled Congress and the purse strings.
How’s that working out for ya?
Let’s just call them illegal Democrat aliens.
;)
JoeI agee, to a point, but the “anchor baby” idea of yours— that would require a Constitutional Amendment, I think.
“Make no mistake. This is a plan to benefit the rich (companies that need cheap manual labor like Best Western and McDonalds) at the expense of the poor (Americans who would do those jobs IF they paid a living wage).”—————
Capn – you and I finally agree on something.
This is a money, money, money bill.
Why should Congress take the time and effort to balance their budget when they can immediately legalize 12 million criminals, and start drawing billions right off the bat in Income Taxes? Gee – that’s so much easier.
GWB wants it because most of these illegals are Catholic. Most will vote prolife as a qualifying issue. That means GOP.
Now, I like the GOP, for the most part, but this bill is going to crush certain segments of our economy.
Mexicans, are for the most part, hard workers. So I believe they will earn their credits towards SS, and some will soon find health care is MORE expensive if you are a citizen – not less so.
But this sends the wrong message.
The people who say we then will know who is within our borders are liars. We will ONLY know what the illegals write down on their citizen applications. No more.
This is a mistake and I believe most Americans think so.
And talk about the PERFECT opportunity for Identity Spoofing.
What would stop me (or anyone) from claiming to have lived in the shadows of America for the past ten years, give them a false name – and….boom…a brand new me with brand new charge cards….new SS card…..new driver’s license.
Now – whatever will I do to make my blonde hair look darker?
Here is what Heritage Foundation has to say:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/index.cfm
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1468.cfm
Phillip Brownlee is as lazy as most journalists.
Yes, this is a complicated issue, but WORK on you RESEARCH, ask HONEST Questions in your polls, and give HONEST interpretation to your readers.
Brownlees opening post is lazy, dishonest garbage!
Immigration is not even one of my “top 5″ issues.
I “want something done” — but this is NOT what I want.
By the way, I know my family tree. Mother’s side, Scotch Irish, Dad’s side, Mediteranian, depending on which decade, which war, Spanish, Imerial Rome, Moorish.
Immigration IS and always has been a good thing for American.
Illegal immigration is a bad thing.
And, Farmgirl, for heaven’s sake, when an issue is “complicated,” by definition it isn’t “black and white” or easy to fix. You seem to have the most contradictions in YOUR posts, though you accuse others of same.
This is absolute national suicide on the march to feudalism. Dont’t tell me this issue cannot be solved. The Chinese solved it a thosand years ago. Round them up and do round the clock airlifts into Mexico City. Drop them off armed. Meanwhile, mine the border. Problem solved. (Oh that is except for the cheap greedy bastards who will have to pay Americans a living wage)
Why not just give any who wants to work a work visa no citzenship just work visas, Less burcratic red tape than now, no sneaking across the border. And if they commit a crime deport them then.
They commit a crime in just coming here. And there is no NEED for them to come here! Mexico is rich in resources! America had much the same wealth culture during the robber baron era. It was addressed and it took blood and even death to do so. American workers and the poor did not flee to Canada. Mexico cannot have the revolution it needs while the revolutionaries are over here picking strawberries and making beds.
Farmie if I am quoting a source I usually post a link. Social Security is floundering now and unless you live in a bubble you know that. Adding illegals to the rolls of those eligible will only hasten its demise. The only thing from the bill that I have read which addressed this, said that after paying a nominal fine and stating on an affidavit as to how many years they have worked (which by the way is not checkable) in the US they would become instantly eligible for SS and SSI. The system won’t survive the new liability at least not in its present state.
We had better be prepared to look at much higher FICA taxes immediately.
Tom might actually have the most simple plan. But green cards are nothing new. Obviously that is not what the illegals are after. They want to put down roots. They want the same rights the rest of us citizens have.
If you want to see the real damage to our health care system this is causing, go to a large hospital ER on a night or weekend. It is full of parents with poor english skills who bring in kids with colds, earaches, etc.. All things that could have been handled in a doctors office but they would have been charged for that visit. ER rooms can’t turn them away.
If that sounds hard hearted it shouldn’t. It is a fact that is driving all of our health care through the roof and this bill will only make it much worse.
Right. I have to question this poll. How the questions are couched often makes a world of difference.
Just look at this thread. You’ve got libs and cons united AGAINST it.
My feeling is that if Americans could vote on a proposition: “Illegal aliens should be granted amnesty,” they would resoundingly reject it.
Yet, it’s getting rammed down our throats. Why?
Because Dems are worried about losing the Hispanic vote (sorry, GS, Hispanics vote majority Democratic except for the Cuban exiles in Miami) and the Repubs are worried about alienating their rich power-base.
Nevermind that the Dems are losing their traditional power base–labor and the working class. Hell, they’ve crapped on and taken them for granted for years, what’s another outrage?
And nevermind that the Reps are losing their rural, religious base. Ditto for taking them for granted and crapping on them for just as long.
This is what happens when you have a system that is so insulated from the will of the majority. It’s a kind of democracy . . . just not a very responsive one.
ksgrm–
There is a lot of good evidence that Social security is not floundering.
It wasn’t until Bush and “piratization” came along that it was going broke. Before that, the projections had SS just where it should be and those projections are still right.
Bush is playing the same game with SS that he played in invading Iraq. Take the facts that support his case and trumpet them to the world. Ignore all the much better evidence that doesn’t support his conclusion.
Besides, increasing the number of people paying into SS would HELP not hurt the system.
That blowhard GMC once called me a bigot racist because of my take on this issue.
I’m not bigoted against anyone (well greed head Republicans maybe)
My major issue is the sublimation of American labor. This bill solves that. Sorta.
But? Isn’t it MORE racist to put these people on a level playing field with American workers? If you HAVE to pay the same for a roofer who speaks Spanish as one who speaks English? Who do you think is gonna get discriminated against?
They have to go. It is a crime what their own government is doing to them. And we (the US) is a knowing accessory to the atrocity.
Finding the money to payPAUL SOLMAN: In all, there is more than a trillion dollars worth of Uncle Sam’s bonds – his official IOU’s to Social Security — already recorded in this very cabinet. While they are here as symbols of real transactions, actually holding them can be pretty reassuring even though they do look a bit drab.http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/economy/july-dec01/lockbox_8-22.html
This is a good interview which actually explains that we have no money in the Social Security lockboxes. We have lots of IOU’s and they are all held from the federal government. What happens if the government debt increases even more with all of the entitlements we assume liability for? For the last 40 years we have been raiding SS and eventually we will have to pay the piper.
This illegal situation could be the straw that breaks the camels back.
It is an unhealthy system that Bush tried to fix by allowing some privatization but this was voted down by the libs who know they depend on the FICA money to fund regular budget items.
The financial condition of the Social Security and Medicare programs remains problematic; we believe their currently projected long run growth rates are not sustainable under current financing arrangements. Social Security’s current annual surpluses of tax income over expenditures will soon begin to decline and then turn into rapidly growing deficits as the baby boom generation retires.
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/trsummary.html
This statement from the SSA is very telling. It isn’t a healthy system. With many private retirement plans in danger SS becomes even more important. Adding another layer to this could be disasterous.
Many of the long term illegals would immediately become eligible. Would the number of new workers pay for this? With the 16% increase the fed believes needs to be made immediately throw un into a recession? Prices of good sold would have to go up so employers could pay for this increase.
Just MOHO.
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I haven’t heard of anything in this bill that holds businesses that have hired illegals accountable in any fashion …. the entire burden of this “amnesty” will be borne by the immigrants and eventually the American tax payer –
Isn’t it supposed to be part of the bill that the borders get closed before any of it can occur?
….. and what about all those from Canada —- LOL
….. and a National ID card? Whats that gonna cost me?
“It has nothing to do with discrimination against Hispanics. It has everything to do with protecting American jobs from failed states like Mexico exporting their policy problems to us.”
Cap’n. America You and I agree, is it the right thing or a cold day in hell?
I think it is the right thing and where BIPARTISIAN disussion should take us first,… BORDER SECURITY and CONTROL of that border. I think we both know that both parties are whoring for votes.
“Mexicans, are for the most part, hard workers. So I believe they will earn their credits towards SS, and some will soon find health care is MORE expensive if you are a citizen – not less so.”
NO this will not pan out. These workers are mainly low skilled and will take out more in benefits and services that the taxes they pay. They already cost us $22,000 for each illegal alien in the United States.
We are importing a lower class skill and lower wage set that will tqake more in services than the taxes that we will receive from them.
The Eagle has landed – in a pile of crap again.
If only a minority of citizens oppose this latest amnesty bill, then why has the bill been declared practically dead in Congress? Answer-millions of Americans, myself included, have written countless letters to Congress complaining about this bill.
I keep hearing about how it’s impossible to deport 12 million illegals. If not now, then when will we enforce immigration laws?
Ok, give up on enforcing immigration laws now, do another round of amnesty and then what? Enforce this newest immigration law?
For any law to be effective, it must be enforced. Yet our government keeps passing these “feel good” laws and declaring the problem of the day to be solved – and never enforces the law.
I’m not trusting government to enforce this new law, any more so then they did the previous laws.
And until I see law enforcement sealing our borders and stopping any further illegal immigration, I can’t support any legislation that addresses the status of the existing 12-20 million illegal immigrants that are already here.
The root causes: 1)Drug money comes from the drug trade – which flows primarily thru our southern border. Billions of dollars are lining the pockets of our corrupt government officials. 2)The big business lobby wants to cotinue the cheap flow of labor.
Most Americans I think would support sealing the southern border and eliminating the 2 main root causes of our free illegal immigration flow.
Even though this flow poses a major security threat to our border, it’s not going to stop. Too much $$$ and corruption is gonna keep the flow coming north.
Actually Tyler, it’s the other way around. Mexico is exporting their poor into the USA. They encourage it and they want it.
It’s true that many business interest want the cheap and low-skill workforce known as the illegal Democrat aliens. I’ve read somewhere that the state of Texas, with all their restaurants, hotels, lawns and farm fields needs a steady supply of this cheap labor to keep their economy growing or it’s going to suffer an economic meltdown (so they say). That is why Bush is for and pushing the guest worker program and amnesty for those illegal Democrats already here. Even though he knows that letting 20 to 50 million new immigrants in the USA in the next 10 years and allowing them path to citizenship within that time frame will mean the end to the Republican Party and the beginning of a one-party system, such as they have in Mexico and are used to and accustom to it and all the ill that comes with it.
The USA will still have very tight restrictions and caps on all immigrants who are educated and skilled, but the unwanted from Mexico are welcomed and en mass.
Mexico gets to bypass doing anything about helping their poor, because the USA will take care of them.
So all low-skill people of the Latin World, the United States is open for you. So bring your rake, your hoe and you hat. The Open Sign is lit.
Just how long do they think the Mexican illegals will be satisfied doing the ‘work that Americans don’t want to do’ if they are able to come out of the shadows. If they’re going to have to pay taxes, you can bet they are going to want to earn as much as they possibly can. Guess, we’ll just have to count on the continuing influx of illegals, to take their old jobs.
The Social Security Trust Fund would be considered a FRAUD if any institution, other than the government, were running it.
A bank can NOT put its own certificates of deposit into its employees retirement plan, why do you think that is?
Very simply put, the Social Security “Trust Fund” does not increase or decrease taxpayer liability for future beneficiaries.
When the “fund” is in surplus, the “Trust Fund” is simply a vehicle, a conduit, to transfer SS money into the general fund.
When the “Trust Fund” bonds are “redeemed” taxpayers pay for that “redemption”.
When the trust fund is gone, taxpayers will pay for SS benefits directly, while the Fund is still “solvent” taxpayers pay off the bonds that pay the benefits.
Either way, the taxpayers PAY!
The “trust fund” is a bipartisan mirage.
I am not sure how else to do it, but they arent being honest with the method they are using.
As for Mexico
That country has:
A year round growing season
Tremendous natural resources
Two huge, beautiful coastlines
Great tourist attractions
Unfortunately, Mexico also suffers under some of the worst political and economic leadership in the world.
They are poor because their leaders are stupid and selfish and corrupt.
Show me a Presidential candidate willing to say that publicly, and that candidate will have a very good shot at getting MY vote!
It’s okay to hate brown people, but only if we call them ‘illegal;’ otherwise, it’s racism.
Mexico is tougher on its own Southern border, keeping out other nationalities, than the US is on Mexicos Norther Border —
Is Mexico “racist” for keeping out illegals crossing THEIR border?
The illegal tidal wave is already changing the landscape of our country. Seeing as how the vast majority of us speak English, yet we have to pick between that and Spanish on an automated phone system. ESL classes in school, seperate voting forms because they refuse to learn the language, wage suppression, openly breaking laws, spanish only channels on tv and radio, and gaudy houses, cars, and clothing. Please keep that stuff south of the border thank you.
On September 27, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) announced that the DREAM Act would not be considered as an amendment to H.R. 1585, the Defense Department authorization bill for fiscal year 2008.
The Washington Times reports, however, that Reid will push for passage of the DREAM Act, which would grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, by different means (possibly in its stand-alone form [S. 774, sponsored by Assistant Majority Leader Dick Durbin {D-Ill.}]) before the Senate adjourns for the year (i.e., on or about November 16).
Reid’s concession on the DoD authorization bill may doom other immigration-related amendments to the defense bill as well.
Please fax your senators: We have stopped the DREAM Act for now, but there is already a push to pass it as a stand-alone bill.
Senator Sam Brownback contact information- Taken from his web site
Office location Phone # Fax #Washington DC office 1-202-224-6521 1-202-228-1265Overland Park Office 1-913-492-6378 1-913-492-7253Topeka office 1-785-233-2503 1-785-233-2616Garden City office 1-620-231-6040 1-620-231-6347Wichita office 1-316-264-8066 1-316-264-9078
Senator Pat Roberts Contact Information Taken from his web site
Washington DC office 1-202-224-4774 1-202-224-3514Overland Park Office 1-913-451-9343 1-913-451-9446Topeka office 1-785-295-2745 1-785-235-3665Wichita office 1-316-263-0416 1-316-263-0273Dodge City Office 1-620-227-2244 1-620-227-2264
Representative Todd Tiahrt, Contact information taken from his web site
Wichita OfficeAddress: 155 North Market St.Suite 400Wichita, KS 67202Phone: 316.262.8992Fax: 316.262.5309Washington OfficeAddress: 2441 Rayburn BuildingWashington, DC 20515Phone: 202.225.6216Fax: 202.225.3489