Regardless of how the scheduled Aug. 7 election turns out, state Sen. Susan Wagle, R-Wichita, argues that Sedgwick County won’t get a destination casino. She told The Eagle editorial board that she thinks the Wichita market isn’t big enough to support both a casino and slot machines at Wichita Greyhound Park, which the state’s gaming bill authorizes (others disagree). But even if investors were willing to make the required $250 million investment in a casino, she thinks that casinos as proposed aren’t allowable under the state constitution, but that slots at the racetrack are. Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and others contend that the state-owned casinos would be constitutional.
In Wagle’s view, Wichita could get “the worst of all worlds” — no casino but a “racino” that will suck money out of the community and state.
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What is it, Suze? Afraid of a little competition for bingo cash?
Well said Roo. Isn’t she also one of those with campaign contributions from out-of-area casinos?
Ah, when sleaze parades as virtue one gets…Wichita Republicans in the House and the Senate.
so here’s a question, could someone please tell me why exactly was sumner county removed from getting the casino after we did all the work, no bs, just a simple ansewer and why did terry bruce want to make sure sumner was taken off the list, i truly think you need to look at this again.
I’d be p’d off if I lived in Sumner co. But I thought they revised that, maybe I’m wrong.
The thing is though, if we’re going to drive ALL the way down to Sumner co, why not drive 30 minutes more and go into Oklahoma where we have a wide choice of different casinos?
Why can’t they put one in the middle of the state so EVERYONE can enjoy it?
Well, she better get her little ass to work in making sure the BIG CASINO DOES happen then. No one cares about a few WalMart slot machines at the hound dog park. Keep them out there. Let the big money in the big casino in the middle of WaterWalk with cards, sports, horse booking. Oklahoma had to hold a 2nd vote due to them going down the “Slots Only” rat hole. To get the BIG Money they had to vote to allow card playing to get the card and big bet crowd out.
They had to revote to get the card playing into their mix. The slots only tends to bring out the Blue Hair set that sit there all day with nickels and quarters. Which is fine, but you need to bigger draw of cards and sports betting.
If you are going to have a casino, then have a full blown casino. Do not cripple it by trying to still keep the Anti’s happy by limiting your service. They will NEVER be happy so – piss on them and dont cater to them. Although the surrounding counties seem to want to glom on to it now that they see the money…not in my back yard , but yes , send me the money.
Keep your core customers happy.
Why can’t they put one in the middle of the state so EVERYONE can enjoy it?
Posted by: political_mom | April 05, 2007 at 09:35 AM
Because then they would be too close to the Potowatomi Nation casino outside Topeka. The lobbyists for Potowatomi has bought the votes of dozens of Legislators, and the only way they’d agree to any gaming anywhere was to put the new facilities as far from Topeka as they could get away with.
Toni – Did removing Sumner actually pass? I’m still working my way through the Apr 3 House and Senate Journals, and haven’t seen anything (yet). If they did kill Sumner, I know their plan: Next, win a “no” vote on August 7, killing a casino in Sedgwick. That would mean no casino *at all* for South Central…
I agree, that Susan “I own bingo parlors but you cant vote on gambling” is protecting not only her own personal financial interests, but she is protecting those all important campaign donations as well.
Because you know damn well, she is going to have a real challenger in her next run for office. A real challenger, hehehe, even though a yellow dog would probably do.
If she had not been such a butt on the issue for so long, she could have been ahead on the power curve regarding what kind of gaming came to Wichita.
But she doubled down and went all in on the last hand. So she has no more chips to bet on the gambling issue. Not even table stakes to allow her to continue playing.
I think supporting the wingnut bible thumpers instead of acknowledging the will of the voters and the economic benefits to all, she placed a risky losing bet and now is out of the game.
So… deal the next hand and let the grownups finish the “game” that she and her uber conservative cronies started.
I would be fine with it going to Hutch. I would be fine with it going to Newton. But I dont’ really care to see it in wichita, wichita has enough. And that would only draw people to the fundy wild west world…and we sure can’t have them benefitting from the sinning gamblers, now can we?
Little Hutchinson already has more good tourist attractions than Wichita. The Cosmosphere, the Kansas State Fair, the National Juco BB Tourney. Soon they will have the salt museum in the caves, which I think will be interesting.
Kudos to them.
Farm Girl and Pmom why do you keep trying to make it a religious issue. I am a Christian as I have stated in the past. I play the slots on occassion. My hometown in Ok. now has 8 casinos. It’s a little town of 15,000. Already the social issues are rearing their ugly heads. Maybe my idea to protect the stupid and weak from themselves is naive but this is my concern for casinos.
August 7th we will find out where the casino goes. If indeed it is a casino and not a racino.
I’m taking a wait and see attitude.
Tom how could you forget to mention the Carriage Crossing restaurant in Yoder. That is my favorite reason to go to Hutch.
grm, it’s because most of the religious folks are the ones opposing it.
Save the people from themselves…it’s getting old.
Maybe my idea to protect the stupid and weak from themselves is naive but this is my concern for casinos.
Ummmm….
Uhhhh…..
Nope. Not gonna say it. Not gonna respond. I’m gonna behave.
And Salina is a whole 2 hours from Topeka. They shouldn’t be worried about sucking people away from them.
The ONLY time I’ve ever gone to Topeka to the casino was when I was there for something else anyway. Never would I make a special trip JUST to gamble.
Pmom we pay one way or the other. If they gamble the rent and food money away who foots the bill. When the spouse gets beat on because there is no money in the house. Who pays for the law officer to intervene? It is a revolving circle. Like I say I will reserve judgement and plan to vote yes and hope it is a casino and not a few slots at the dog track.
I wonder why owners of Casinos own Casinos…
Is it to benefit the people of the region they are in?
Is it to better the community to provide a service that people don’t have; gambling?
Or is it that Casinos have the largest profit of all businesses?
You decide and watch the Casino operators smile with double-fisted cash holding glee when it gets voted yes.
By the way, that will be your cash they are holding. :)
That will be *their* cash they are holding. Once you’ve given it to them in exchange for a good or service, it no longer belongs to you.
Oh my.
I’m lecturing a guy with the screen name “Republican” about basic free market theory.
I feel like the helmeted Martians in “Mars Attacks!” – someone turn off the Slim Whitman!! HELP!
The developers will pour money into the vote, a vote held only in the counties where casinos may go. Why? Because they care about us? Naw. To generate millions in profits; much to out of state developers.
And it’ll pass. Fine – just call it what it is: a voluntary tax on the stupid. And the rest of us will foot the bill for the social costs; Harrah’s certainly won’t.
As said before: the only argument that makes any sense is to keep Kansas gambling dollars in Kansas. Stripped to its essentials, that amounts to making sure we fleece our citizens before other states do.
That’s sure something to be proud of.
GMC, the same argument can be made about movie theaters. Half of every ticket we buy goes to out-of-state production companies, and Kansas gets nothing tangible in return. The majority of people theaters employ are low-wage clerks, cashiers, and ushers.
And have you seen the crap they *show???* And the people who get all the millions – those damned Hollywood liberals!! HOW DARE WICHITA ALLOW THIS TRAVESTY!!
I propose that every film shown in Kansas be made in Kansas. I also propose that Kansans for Life be the official censor of all movies; it’s clear no one else in the state has our best interests at heart.
OMG, I am HOWLING at Republican, mister “I never met a capitalist I wouldnt blow”.
Uh, Republican, do you think utilities locate their operations in a place to benefit that community?
Do you think ANY business locates to benefit the community? Or do they do it to increase profits.
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OMG, I cant belive that came out of any capitalism worshiping, free market, consumer choice, let the market work republican.
One thing for sure you can say about golfnutz, he doent let consistancy get in the way of his beliefs. If ANY democrat or lib is for it…
… he goes to the magic 8 ball and finds that he is against it!!!
ahhhh ehehehehehehehehehehehe!
Tom, anyone who has taken the most elementary course in Algebra can tell you the odds on winning in the various games.
It’s not about which political party or faith one belongs.
It’s about common sense and using reasoned logic.
In this case, emotional response ain’t gonna cut it, because logic trumps it when analyzing the bottom line numbers.
Republican,
Everyone I know who gambles knows the odds, and knows the odds are waaaaay heavily tilted in the casinos’ favor. They don’t go to win – they go for *entertainment.* It’s their choice, their money, their time.
“GMC, the same argument can be made about movie theaters. Half of every ticket we buy goes to out-of-state production companies, and Kansas gets nothing tangible in return. The majority of people theaters employ are low-wage clerks, cashiers, and ushers.”
Yeah Tom, and let’s not forget the pollution and clean up from all those trashed popcorn boxes, soft drink containers, and torn in half movie tickets that litter the sidewalk in front of the theaters.
And did we mention the MOVIE addiction that develops? heheheheh
Ya know, the same thing could be said about the disaster known as the Holcomb coal fired plant. All the benefits go elsewhere, and all the clean up and expense stays in kansas.
Damn, these freemarket repukes are shifting positions more often than Mitt Romney shifts on social issues….
In a true capitalistic society new money has to come in. If we are just churning old money everyone loses, stores, families, landlords, etc…
Tom:
In a sense, true enough, I suppose. But I doubt that movies, or other business, come with the social costs casino gambling does. Ask the folks near the Indian casinos what happened to their domestic battery, petty theft, DUI caseload. Who will pay for that?
It’ll pass, I suppose. But not with my vote (not that they’d permit a state-wide vote on a state issue anyway), nor especially my dollars.
“(not that they’d permit a state-wide vote on a state issue anyway)”
Then what the hell was the statewide vote to put the dirty queers in their place?
That is NUTS!! The bible thumpin’ wingnuts DEMANDED the right to vote on hate. It was their RIGHT, by GOD!!! LAWMAKERS should not decide such important issues without at VOTE of the people.
heheheheheheh
And then those same screaming hillbilly reich wingers say BUT YOU CANT VOTE ON GAMBLING??????
As my friend Clark might say, hypocrisy, thy name is wingnut…
Perhaps when your county gets a vote on a Casino ksfarmgrrl, then you can really let go with both barrels.
Wichita is my backyard, not yours. The vote will be in August in Wichita and Sedgwick County, not yours.
The people of Wichita and Sedgwick County will have to evaluate the issues, not somebody from a county somewhere else.
Want a vote on a Casino? Contact your county commissioners and set one up.
Farm Girl that hate will eat you alive from the inside out. Take it easy. Roll with the punches. Come back to fight another day.
ksfarmgrrl,
Indeed. As Republican and ksgrm show time and again, it’s all tribal identity politics with the Right Wingers both in and out of the legislator. Democracy, feh!
For the record, CF2K adamantly supports the need to put this thing to a vote: let the PEOPLE decide whether to legalize gambling, and in what forms.
And also for the record, when this thing comes up for a vote, CF2K will heartily vote AGAINST it. On balance, a casino will be about as good for Wichita as payday loansharks are for poor folks: the lure of easy money up front, with lots and lots of hidden costs.
This is the worst sort of economic engine to invite into the community. And given the lousy, stupid, and nepotistic deals that the City and County have cut in the past, CF2K has little problem envisioning a scenario in which public money is put up to “attract” a casino operator to town.
OMG that is SO FUNNY!!!!
You think Trego county WOULDNT approve a casino? heheheheheheheheheh
When I was director of economic development, I was PRESSURED to get my ass to Topeka and try to get a casino out at Cedar Bluff.
Yeah, well, I didnt pursue it because the idea was just absurd. If given the opportunity, we would approve a casino, but since even HAYS cant get the state to let them have one…
…I dont imagine Trego county will ever get the opportunity.
But nice try, at changing the subject. YOU just posted that the free market should be controled if businesses locate and care more about profits than community welfare.
Should we vote on EVERY business or industry that wants to come to kansas? Should we vote on the Holcomb plant?
Yeah. Nice try republican. We are amused, and we do encourage you to try again.
CF -
I think we agree on something. I gotta mark this day on the calendar!
KFG: whatever. . .
CF I am voting for it for one reason. I’m tired of the whining. Let them have what they think they want. We need another Gander Mountain.
Oh and germie, that isnt hate. It is called disagreement. But of course, anyone who disagrees with the GOP line is a hater according to you.
Let me skool you a little on the economic model you are hinting at.
Yes, NEW money has to come into a community. But LEAKAGE, or local money LEAVING the community is just as important, as has as much economic impact as NEW money.
But when new money comes in, or old money that used to leave stays, it then has to TURN in your community. Economists usually estimate that every new or retained dollar “turns” in your community 3-7 times.
So, the folks who work at the casinos “turn” their money when they pay utilities and the utility pays the lineman and he pays the grocery store who in turn pays property taxes.
Dont dismiss the value of a retained dollar. And turning or churning as you say, isnt always us taking in each other’s laundry. How long a dollar STAYS in your community is just as important as the “source” of that original dollar.
And I havent even TALKED about the NEW money that casinos generate. Like all the folks in Ellis and Trego counties who would come to spend not only gaming dollars in Wichita, but gas dollars, motel dollars, shopping dollars, food dollars, drink dollars…
I think by now you should get the picture.
And did I mention that your CVB is likely supported by bed taxes? And that these visitors who come to game are paying local SALES TAX dollars on their purchases?
You dont think THAT is new money?
Buy a book germie. What you dont know about macro AND micro economics would fill Cedar Bluff.
GMC70,
Yeah, good to see that agreement is at least more than just theoretically possible.
I just think Wichita is a lousy place for a destination casino, and that having one here cannabalizes the community is classically short-term, expedient sort of way.
Prediction: the 08-07-07 vote will allow casinos by a wide margin.
What exactly is a racino? Never heard of the term.
Bottom line is ksfarmgrrl is that the vote for the Sedgwick County/Wichita Casino will be Sedgwick County.
It will no longer becomes a State issue – it becomes a local issue.
As far as Holcomb, it will become part of a public utility for power. Those in the county and those duly elected and appointed members controlling the various aspects of public utilities should have the most say. That’s why they are elected and/or appointed.
That’s why we have a Judicial system, so people can file against utilities if they so wish. It’s why there are public hearings and yes even votes on usage of public lands.
Back to the Casino. This isn’t a public utility. It’s not required to make the economy in Kansas viable. It is not an essential service like gas, oil, electricity or water.
Therefore, the vote is local.
Steve Davis,
Oh, I’m sure you’re right. Wichita, like most of Kansas, probably, is all about gay folks hatin’ and gambling lovin’.
They are talking about the slots at the Greyhound track – racino.
Slot machines at a racing track equals a racino.
CF,
Appreciate your remarks. I was thinking of arguments I have made in the past about payday loan businesses being recycled by free-market “republicans” – kind of a dizzying ride today.
I think there is an important distinction to be made between casinos and payday loan shops. While payday lenders exist _only_ to rip people off, casinos can provide entertainment for people who are not foolish or uninformed.
Oh and just for the record, I dont gamble. Never have, never will. I get my gambling fix in spades by farming. I find casinos boring, and even when I visited friends in Las Vegas, I never dropped a nickle in a slot or set foot in a casino for any reason other than to attend a show.
However, if MORAL rectitude is a prerequisite for letting business into kansas, no WONDER businesses either dont come, or hold their noses and come to kansas for a specific reason.
CF, the collateral damage in social and public costs is real. No disagreement there. But the social costs and public costs of ALL businesses need to be examined on the same basis.
What is the collateral damage to an economy near military bases? Lots of bars, lots of alcohol problems, a prostitution problem, all the abandoned families who need welfare, the strain of having all those kids in their schools, etc.
Of course I am exaggerating that to make a point.
EVERY community would wet its collective PANTS to recruit a military institution near their town. They believe, rightly or wrongly, that the economic benefits outweigh the social costs.
Otherwise, why would states and towns fight so hard to KEEP their military bases?
And if communities didnt believe that the economic benefit from casinos is greater than the social costs, they wouldnt be FIGHTING for the right to have one.
And if PEOPLE dont think the benefit outweighs the cost, they wont vote for it either.
I, like CF, think it should be put to a vote to let the people decide.
Just like gay rights.
Either one believes in the free market or one doesnt. Half free is the same as NOT free. Just pointing out the usual republican hypocrisy on the issue. Your position is consistant with your other positions.
Pity, the same cant be said of ALL the freemarket republicans here.
I won’t be voting for you next time Susan Wagle. Sorry to say, but Wichita needs to step up on this one. Our city is going to need something when all the Aviation Companies leave. You won’t be elected again in Wichita.
FG in the public where I received my education you would have been called to the office for that and had to stay in for recess.
“That is NUTS!! The bible thumpin’ wingnuts DEMANDED the right to vote on hate. It was their RIGHT, by GOD!!! LAWMAKERS should not decide such important issues without at VOTE of the people.”
Probably not today. But I doubt if that statement was made in love.
Steven Davis,
Agreed. The gaming industry IS part of the entertainment industry. And you’re right about the oddity of seeing conservatives denounce gaming as bad for communities, while giving payday loans a pass.
I was basing my prediction on the vote going for allowing casino gaming based upon the diligent effort of those lobbying our area representatives (Landwehr, et al.) to oppose it. Those monied interests know what is up with our market.
ksfarmgrrl,
Agreed. The collateral damage assessment ought to be applied impartially to all prospective businesses. This does count against my argument.
Nice try again republican. Your ability to do those gymnastic tricks just astounds me.
uh, in regard to Holcomb, the COSTS of that plant will be paid by the entire state, not the local community. In fact the BENEFITS occur locally while the COSTS are spread over the entire state.
Look up Tragedy of the Commons. That is what the Holcomb plant will be.
I’m NOT advocating a vote on the Holcomb plant. I’m just pointing out more inconsistancy in your thinking.
I think there should be a statewide vote that would allow casinos ANYWHERE the locals approve it.
Then have local votes. Kinda like liquor by the drink. The state “permitted” (more nanny state?) localities to vote on liquor by the drink, sunday sales, and whether or not to even ALLOW alcohol sales or to ban them like entirely like Quinter does.
Your post mixes apples and oranges, but then, it appears your position is mixed up too.
While you are looking up the Tragedy of the Commons, you might try to look up “consistancy” as well. Or do your “deeply held beliefs” change with the direction the wind is blowing?
Farm G your analogy about military bases missed the mark by a mile. The MP will get any soldier back in line quickly. No one wants to see his commanding officer after he has done something wrong in the community. Our neighborhood has lots of military families. Well behaved children, responsible homeowners all.
Again ksfarmgrrl -
Holcomb is all about a Public Utility.
Casinos is not a Public Utility, it is a form of entertainment.
One does not need a Casino to do the day to day business of a locality or a state.
One does need a Public Utility such as electric or natural gas to conduct their day to day business.
There is a difference and two completely disassociated issues.
Germie, why do you hate me so much? Once again, you attack the STYLE of my post but not the substance. Typical. When you are thumped on an issue, you whine about sources and style and that libs HAVE NO RESPECT!!!!!!
Woof.
And yes, thank goddess, this is an adult blog, not grade school. And an even BIGGER thank goddess that you are not the recess monitor or the principal.
Or the blog monitor. You’d have to fight mister inconsistancy, republican, to be the skool marm de jur
This inconsistency we see in our free-market “friends” is due the influence of religious right. If liberties are not sinful in their eyes, it is okay; not okay otherwise. This inconsistency and splitting is what is going to preceed the writhing death of the Republican party and for that reason, I wish you all would just carry on please.
You profess to know so much about others.
Let me see if I can explain why your arguments always fail.
Christians share one common belief. They recognize that Jesus Christ is their own personal Lord and Savior.
After that many things can change. Not all Christians think social drinking is bad. Not all Christian women think they should wear their hair in a knot on top of their head and wear no makeup. Not all Christians think moderate gambling is wrong. Not all Christians think that you have to picket an abortion clinic to get your point across. I could go on but I hope you get the picture.
When you make your blanket statements with that hysterical laugh attached it makes you seem a little unhinged and people cease to take you seriously.
Get over the marriage vote. That is what you tell others constantly about the new senate and house. Take you own advise if you think it is good enough to give.
Republican, if you want to take this disagreement to the absurd, in order to save face after your OBVIOUS defection from the free market, I’m glad to go there with you.
It isnt like you havent taken the blog there before.
Uh, ok. we NEED public utilities. We DONT need another water sucking, pollution spewing coal fired electric plant.
Duh.
Would you like to prove the need for Holcomb? That it is essential to carrying on day to day business?
Pleased to be showing us those figures.
And germie, you are truely a piece of work. I knew that military comment would rile up the faithful.
Care to provide some economic statistics on the social costs of casinos vs. the social costs of military bases? You disagree about the sleezy bars, the prostitution, the domestic violence calls, the dead beat dads who leave wife and children behind when they move on?
If you dont provide some proof, then it is just your opinion. Like my opinion.
And please post where I impuned the character of military families. They have good and bad apples like all other social groups.
But of course, if you dont swear the oath of “military uber alles” you are an america hating traitor I suppose….
Germie, you make me laugh every day. Nothing unhinged about laughing. You are just slightly red faced because you got talking out yer wazoo about something you know nothing about.
So…. GET OVER THE CASINO ISSUE!!!!
heheheheheheheehh.
GET OVER THE SCOTUS RULING THAT SAYS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS CANT BE DISPLAYED WHEREVER YOU WISH.
I think you have waaaaaaay more to get over than I do.
And no, just for the record, I do not intend to EVER get over the hate amendment.
I’m just lying in wait for the moment that I can stick it to the so called christians just like YOU stuck it to me and my family.
What is it RD says? Karma is such a bitch. How’s that “put it to a vote” Karma workin’ for ya germie?
The filthiest comment so far of the day by farmgirl.
“OMG, I am HOWLING at Republican, mister “I never met a capitalist I wouldnt blow”.”
Oh, and did I mention, you might want to get over ROE V WADE?
heheheheheheehheehehehehehehehehehhe!
ksfarmgrrl,
I never defected from the free market. That is your own absurd assumption.
A vote on the entertainment facility is just that. We are getting a vote in August.
You’re the one that keeps interjecting all these off the wall analogies, not me.
heheheheheheheheheeheheheh
Aaron, perhaps you would like to complain to the editors? I see you were the one spying over at the other blog.
Waaaaaa, waaaaaa, waaaaaaa cry me a river. I find operation rescue and their dead fetus pictures WAY more filthy than ANYTHING I could ever say.
I guess “filth” is in the eye of the beholder. And that just GALLS you cons, doesnt it?
Wassa matter boy? Without us you are nothing?
Aaron S,
It’s comments like you mentioned is why ksfarmgrrl never gets taken seriously.
It’s insult followed by comment followed by insult.
Steven I must have missed a handout from an earlier class. Could you share with me the list so that I to will know which liberties are ok and which aren’t.
“This inconsistency we see in our free-market “friends” is due the influence of religious right. If liberties are not sinful in their eyes, it is okay; not okay otherwise. This inconsistency and splitting is what is going to preceed the writhing death of the Republican party and for that reason, I wish you all would just carry on please.”
You see as I just told Farm G we aren’t cut from a cookie cutter. We have different shapes, colors and sizes. We have the freedom of free will and can make up our own minds after weighing the facts.
If it helps you to lump all Christians (bible thumpers to you) then you will start every argument with a false assumption and your rationale will never be rational.
Ok republican. Anyone who can scroll and read will see what your position is. No matter how you spin it.
So if you want to find fault with analogies by taking them to the absurd, you win.
you save face.
heheheheheheheheheeheheheheheh!!!!
not.
i just never knew anyone so hateful as her. i will defentely put her in my prayers.
So, I guess I can safely say that when you cant attack the substance, you attack the poster?
hehehehehheeheheheheheh!!!!!!
Yes, the pot calling the kettle black just cracks me up. And germie, dont whine when the voters overwhelmingly disagree with you.
Democracy and free market and all that…
Save me from your prayers aaron.
I say this one every night.
“jesus, save me from your followers…”
AaronS,
Oh, spare us the “I’ll pray for you” tactic. If there’s a more passive-aggressive way to engage in an arugment without engaging in an arugment, and to declare victory without declaring victory, I’ve yet to find it.
Since they cant win on substance, and they are taking this to the absurd, I think I will declare that YOU WIN so we dont have a thousand posts that say “yo mammma”.
I’m off to blog with the intelligencia.
Rep and Aaron I was enjoying a sensible discussion until ms. hatred showed up. Vile hateful person that she is. I would like her to come to McConnell and show me the bars, strip joints, etc.. that are all around it.
Oh well that is just to sensible and I can tell that person has no sense.
Go yell at your tators FG. They can’t leave you.
its good to know you do talk to Jesus he can help you if you open your heart.
You mean my position to vote against having a Casino? If that’s your analysis, you are correct.
I do believe they will have on the ballot a yes and a no check box.
You have a problem with elections or the fact they have “yes or no” on a ballot?
ksfarmgrrl, you’re the one who brought up Holcomb into a thread about Casinos.
Susan Wagle only plays her religious virtue card when it is convenient to her. As soon as she throws her God card on the table the RR start swaying and praying. Wake-up folks, Susan looks out for Susan’s piggy bank – not for the economies and constituents she was elected to represent. Maybe she is a God loving elected official, but she only uses the God card for political and financial expedience (look at her voting record). The Eagle would do good to aprise readers about the conflicts of interest Susan Wagle has regarding casinos and gambling.
I see we have played the RACE card
Hey, Wichita Eagle people,
How about an updated photo? Susan isn’t 38 anymore.
I would like her to come to McConnell and show me the bars, strip joints, etc.. that are all around it.
Posted by: ksgrm | April 05, 2007 at 11:51 AM
Ksgrm, ummm…..apparently you haven’t actually BEEN to McConnell.
Across from the main gate on Rock Road is a huge adult bookstore – Priscilla’s.
Right up the street from the west gate off George Washington are several bars and pawn shops.
Directly under the flight path on Harry is a strip club.
Not that I think there’s anything wrong with those businesses. They’re legal businesses selling legal products to adults who may legally buy them. But to say they don’t exist, well….ummm…. sorry. Try again.
An organization named GVA Marquette Advisors was used by Kathleen Sebelius and other pro-casino operatives to support their case for a casino. A simple Google search will reveal that GVA Marquette Advisors “is recognized as an expert in the rapidly expanding gaming industry, including Native American gaming, riverboat and dockside casinos…” http://www.americangaming.org/about/members_detail.cfv?ID=148
For an objective study, see http://www.americanexperiment.org/uploaded/files/gamblinginminnesota.pdf
So, how should we approach the gambling debate? By understanding the facts, asking the right questions, applying basic reasoning and critical thinking.
Increased Bankruptcy – A national study has found that counties with gambling enterprises hadan average of 18 percent more bankruptcies than those without. Counties with five or more gambling establishments were found to have 35 percent more bankruptcies.
Increased Crime – The research of economist Earl Grinols shows that casinos contribute to increased crime. Grinols has found that while crime does not begin to increase until approximately four years after the introduction of casinos, a noticeable increase occurs at that time. He explains the lag time as a result of gamblers depleting resources before turning to crime. Summy of his findings are at http://www.ncalg.org/Library/Facts%20and%20Answers/Grinols-Summary-30APR0311.pdf
Increased Suicide – Las Vegas has the highest levels of suicide in the nation for residents and visitors. Other states have seen marked increases in the suicide rate since introducing casinos.
Increased Family Problems – The National Gambling Impact Study Commission and several other groups have found that easy access to gambling has led to increased rates of divorce, domestic violence, child abuse, and child neglect.
Total Social Costs – Grinols estimates that casino gambling in America contributes $289 in social costs for every $46 of benefit.
In addition to the tangible cost/benefit analysis, we should ask ourselves several questions dealing with the messages sent by expanding the state’s role in gambling. The questions include the following:
· Should local and/or state governments serve as an enabler for the destructive habits of some of its citizens?
· How can the we promote hard work and personal responsibility among citizens while trying to persuade those citizens to get rich quick at a state-owned casino?
· Is expanded gambling trully a good way to gain revenue?
· Will the growth of expanded gambling come at the expense of private businesses?
· What are the real demographics of the casino users?
· Of the total projected revenue received by the casino, how much is projected to be spent by demographic category compared to how much will stay within the city, county, state?
· Who will oversee a state-owned casino?
· What is the net job impact of ‘value add’ jobs added vs value add jobs lost due to above?
· Does a casino pass the Visioneering Wichita core values test? Let me remind you what they are; Integrity, Faith in God, Responsible, Innovative, Family Values, Excellence, Respect, Initiative, Appreciate Diversity.
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