Presidential candidate Sen. John McCain took a highly publicized trip to a Baghdad market Sunday, declaring that the media aren’t getting the good news out about how much safer Baghdad has become since the “surge” crackdown.
Last week, McCain said that an American could stroll safely in some parts of the city — an assertion that veteran CNN war correspondent Michael Ware called “beyond ludicrous.”
“NBC Nightly News” reported that McCain’s tour group was accompanied by 100 soldiers, three Black Hawk helicopters and two Apache gunships. Oh, and McCain also was wearing a bulletproof vest, just in case.
No wonder he felt safe.
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He said he was safe not stupid!
Good to see the visits of American goodwill ambassadors being taken seriously.
Shows we’re still doing things right.
So the wingnut media apparatus has already begun the smear campaign against CNN reporter Michael Ware, who challenged the right-wing spin about the ’success’ of the surge in Baghdad. Mr. Ware forgot the first rule of American politics: When wingnuts don’t have reality on their side, they just make shit up. For example, the Drudge Report, in a classic Republican move, launched a hit piece on Ware, claiming he heckled and mocked Sen. McCain at a press conference in Baghdad. Only problem? It didn’t happen…
“CNN reporter slams Drudge’s charge that he ‘heckled’ McCain; Exclusive video confirms his claim”
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/CNN_reporter_slams_Drudges_charge_that_0402.html
“CNN reporter Michael Ware this morning hit back at news aggregator Matt Drudge who accused him on Sunday of “heckling” Republican Senators John McCain and Lindsay Graham at a Baghdad press conference. Video acquired by RAW STORY appeared to show a short press conference without any interruptions and with Ware himself asking no questions during the question and answer session.
On CNN this morning, Ware denied the Drudge Report “exclusive” which ran yesterday and questioned Drudge’s source.
“This is a report that was leaked by an unnamed official of some kind to a blog, to somewhere on the internet,” Ware told Soledad O’Brien this morning on CNN, according to an unofficial transcript posted at the conservative blog Power Line. “No one has gone and put their name forward. We certainly haven’t heard Senator McCain say anything about it or any of his staff have come forward to say anything about it.”
Ware instead accused the officials running the press conference of preventing the CNN correspondent from even asking a question.
“Indeed, I didn’t say a word. I didn’t even ask a question,” Ware added. “In fact, when I raised my hand to ask a question, the press conference abruptly ended, so what I would suggest is that anyone who has any queries about whether I heckled, watch the videotape of the press conference.”
The video of the press conference is there, and another right-wing lie is smacked down, but not before it was widely circulated on winger websites. (Drudge has pulled the piece, btw)
Another example of right-wing disinformation and spin being rudely interrupted by reality involve the same McCain “stroll” around a market in Baghdad. McCain and the other GOPers with him of course claimed that things were markedly improving in the city, as evidenced by the ‘calm’ market. However, the evidence says otherwise. You know, evidence like the fact that it took an entire company of soldiers and multiple attack helicopters to secure their visit. Or evidence from the mouths of the people WHO F****** LIVE IN BAGHDAD AND WORK IN THE MARKET…..
“McCain Wrong on Iraq Security, Merchants Say”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/world/middleeast/03mccain.html?hp
“A day after members of an American Congressional delegation led by Senator John McCain pointed to their brief visit to Baghdad’s central market as evidence that the new security plan for the city was working, the merchants there were incredulous about the Americans’ conclusions.Representative Mike Pence, an Indiana Republican, said the Shorja market was “like a normal outdoor market in Indiana.”“What are they talking about?” Ali Jassim Faiyad, the owner of an electrical appliances shop in the market, said Monday. “The security procedures were abnormal!”…..”“They paralyzed the market when they came,” Mr. Faiyad said during an interview in his shop on Monday. “This was only for the media.”
He added, “This will not change anything.”…..”Told about Mr. McCain’s assessment of the market, Abu Samer, a kitchenware and clothing wholesaler, scoffed: “He is just using this visit for publicity. He is just using it for himself. They’ll just take a photo of him at our market and they will just show it in the United States”
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How many times can the Republican leadership’s lies be exposed before the last layer of support for these clowns, the hardcore 30%, begins to melt away into the crowd, so as to avoid further identification with outright liars and the accompanying embarrassment of having ever believed them?
In all actuality, I believe that there is no limit to what the Republican ‘faithful’ will believe, so long as it reinforces what they already ‘know.’ Pretty sad when people put their political motivations at the forefront of interpreting reality, and people have to pay with their lives.
marty – isn’t it ironic how good news for the United States, (successful surge) is bad news for Liberals?
For your handful of selective quotes disparaging the current success in Iraq – there are many more that applaud it.
In fact, bloggers out of Iraq – are, by and large, reporting success as they see it.
http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.25880/pub_detail.asp
Hey, thanks for proving my point that the hardcore 30% will believe anything, as long as it comes from the ‘correct’ sources and contains the ‘right’ information, ie ‘confirmation’ of what you already ‘know’ to be true, irrespective of reality. I mean, come on, did you really just link to the AEI, as if it is some sort of disinterested and objective news organization? You must be joking.
And as for your thinly veiled insinuation in your first sentence that equates right-wing propaganda victories (see: the dissemination of the McCain ‘Bagdad-is-safe’ lie & accompanying photo-op) with what’s good for America, and liberals acknowledgment of reality and facts on the ground as ‘bad’ for our nation, well, once again, that says a lot about you. I guess I should thank you again for helping prove my earlier assertion about the hardcore 30%.
“(successful surge)”
“There are WMD”
“They attacked us”
“Mission Accomplished”
“Six weeks, no more than a couple of months”
“Light at the end of the tunnel”
“In their last throes”
And the beat goes on……
“In fact, bloggers out of Iraq – are, by and large, reporting success as they see it.”
. . . or are reporting exactly what they have been told to report. As for selective quotes, GS, you’re the king of selectivism.
That would be “queen”.
Is it that hard to say one good thing about what is happening in Iraq?
Seriously!
For me being accused of being nothing more than a right wing nut, Bushie, Bushbot, etc. I can list many things I think are wrong or could be done better, but I can also list many things I view to be a success and good.
Can you liberals do the same or is it nothing good?
XXX,
When those proud Sailors were returning home from defeating a standing army the mission was accomplished.
Of course, the context doesn’t matter, as long as you have something or anything you can to bash Bush with.
Well golly gee….it didn’t take long before the spin-docs jumped on the SOURCE I linked to – INSTEAD of trying to argue the facts.
LOL Typical.
What’s the old saying?
If the facts are on your side – pound the facts.If the law is on your side – pound the law.If neither are on your side – pound the table.
What’s all that banging noise…..?
lol
McCain big accomplishment will be having put a bullseye on that marketplace.
How so, Steve?
Yes, Michael Ware aka Crocodile Dumdee. The reporter who tries to sound dramatic with his Aussie accent while piping leftist propaganda out of his crooked nose.
The Michael Ware who thinks he’s smarter than all of the US Troops combined and the Defense Department by putting on a show with Anderson Cooper explaining how good the terrorists are and how pathetic the US troops are.
It’s a wonder the US troops didn’t leave a message to the terrorists that said, “When the guy with the crooked nose raises his hand, we’ll leave and you can have him.”
Other commentators (Josh Marshall in particular) have noted that Mc Cain’s leisurely “stroll” down a Baghdad street may well end up defining his candidacy the way that Dukakis’ ride in the tank defined his. Which is to say, not well.
We’ve created the most dangerous killing zone on planet Earth–bar none. That’s not much of a record of “success.” I suppose Nathan can try to find some “metric” to “balance” out the facts on the ground, and GSheridan and AEI can find all the sympathetic “bloggers” they want (all 2 of them)–none of it changes a thing.
McCain’s denial of reality has gone to Rumsfeldian lengths. I believe this will be his version of the Dean Scream.
I see Republican is shooting the messenger in order to frantically discredit what he says: how uncharacteristically Republican of him.
CF2K – at any rate, could it be as bad as Edwards parading his terminal wife through rose gardens, replete with the top media dogs, and a half-dozen talk shows, in his quest for the sympathy vote of martyrdom?
I mean, really….McCain looks like he hung the moon compared to Edwards.
GSheridan,
One hand: John Edwards isn’t denying his wife has cancer.
Other hand: John McCain is denying that Baghdad is extremely dangerous, while parading down a street wearing a flak vest, surrounded by 100 soliders and five helicopters.
You’re going to have to try harder, GSheridan: all you’ve demonstrated is your penchant for silly comparisons.
By the way, you shouldn’t insult Elizabeth Edwards by insinuating that the decision to go public with the news of her cancer was her husband’s rather than her own. It might make people think you have no class.
CF2K,
We did not create the “most dangerous killing zone on planet.”
The terrorists and insurgents did that.
We are the ones trying to prevent it and stop it.
LOL, CF2K, you’re grasping at threads.
McCain’s going into Iraq is notable BECAUSE it is dangerous.
Edwards, riding his wife’s cancer-wave, is deplorable. And I’m not the only one who thinks so – even some Dems have spoken out that he should throw in the towel now.
Remember, this is the man, who pretends to be pro-gay, yet publicly attacks Cheney by ‘outing’ his daughter during the debate…not once, but twice.
Edwards is the worst kind of bottom-feeding slime, and the American people are quickly finding that out.
McCain, on the other hand, KNEW he was entering a dangerous zone. He’s BEEN in war – he’s even been a POW. He KNOWS what war is, unlike Edwards.
Throughout history those who bravely go into dangerous situations are the ones respected – not the ones who hide behind women’s skirts.
Nice try – but you’re WAY off base.
CF2K,
My challange stands:
Can you tell us something good about the war?
The Republicans have been using the military for props for a long time. They love to go to Iraq and either pose in the “green zone” with some soldiers used as props for TV and say how good things are. The market where McCain did his stunt is not a place I would wanna be today or in the future because it will probably get blown to bits.
Lets see now … something good to say about the situation in Iraq. Well, I suppose it is good news that with a sufficiently heavily-armed convoy, accompanied by air support, you can venture outside in Baghdad. It is good that the Iraqis do not have an air force. It is good that the range of Iraqi weapons is limited.
Now, if I were what the BushBots CLAIM I am then I could find other “good” things – notably the damage done to the Republicans. However, the cost of that is far too high. I would rather have my country intact than have the GOP go down.
Nathan,
OK, we built some schools. Good for us. You’ll never convince me that the Iraqis are better off now than they would have been had we never invaded and trashed the place.
GSheridan,
McCain’s going into Iraq is notable because he did so to prove that Bagdad is as safe as he said it was. That is, his point was to vindicate his earlier claim that the “Splurge” was working, and that the streets of Baghdad were safe.
But his own need for 100 soldiers and 5 helicopters worth of protection proves that either he’s delusional or lying in order to keep his Presidential bid alive. Either way, John McCain has proven himself unfit to be President.
As for your very strange animus towards John Edwards, please name these “Democrats” who are saying he should “throw in the towel.” Who might they be, GSheridan? Anonymous sourcing is a typically dishonest Right-Wing tactic, and I’ll believe what you say when you produce some evidence.
As for who’s “way off base,” seems to me YOU’RE the one who dragged John Edwards into a discussion in order to distract attention from John McCain’s craven dishonesty. Dare I say, GSheridan, that YOU’RE hiding John McCain behind YOUR skirts?
CF2K,
There you go again. What do you mean by we trashed the place?
We are there rebuilding it, not trashing it.
What is the typical contingency of secret service/security for a presidential hopeful in any foreign country? What is the typical number of troops on the streets of Baghdad? What aircraft – fixed and rotary wing- are typically assigned to that airspace in Baghdad?
This is a perfect example of American arrogance.
Baghdad is “safe” because McCain can walk down a street.
Don’t ask the Iraqis whether THEY THINK things are better since the invasion, whether THEY feel safer or whether THEY want the US to stay or leave.
No, it’s all about US.
BTW, the best polling available shows that Iraqis don’t think life is better since the invasion, a majority feel unsafe and want American troops to leave.
But since the current administration doesn’t give a damn about majority will in THIS country (just look at the 2000 election), it’s no surprise that they ignore the will of the Iraqis with even more impunity.
GS–Edwards and his wife are wholly irrelevant to this discussion.
Nathan,
So, did the Iraqis destroy their own country, then?
CapnAmerica,
Lets look at some differences you seem unable to comprehend:
You say: “a majority feel unsafe and want American troops to leave.”
Will that make things better for them? How?
Simply because that is what the majority wants, doesn’t make it right.
Then you say: “Iraqis don’t think life is better since the invasion”
Of course not. do you think that they will think their lives will be better if we leave before or after they are secure and able to fend for themselves?
You bring up quotes of how bad things are now to justify our quiting… which will only make thigns worse.
Or do you argue that when we leave things will miraculously get better?
CF,
The country is not destroyed.
Hopefully sooner rather than later you can figure out how to stop loading your statements and questions with such faulty wording.
Then we can move on to a better discussion.
Yeah Kev, using the military for props…
I don’t see how Nathan puts up with you lefties.
I served 12 years in the military and frankly I get tired of lefties spouting off about the military
The military sacrifice so lefties can spout off. I expect to be attacked for being a true patriot, as I have been attacked before by the pseudo patriotic left.
BTW, the best so-called Polling was highly selective and hardly scientific.
Will things get better after we leave?
Yes, they will get better.
The Iraqi rage directed at the US is a result of our failure to rebuild it.
Nathan,
Oh, I think “destoyed” is a pretty fair adjective, given the total breakdown of Iraqi civil society in Baghdad, and the brain drain that has seen millions of educated professionals flee the country in fear for their lives.
How many hours a day is the electricity on? How available is fuel? How many students are able to attend school safely?
Here’s my challenge to you, Nathan: stop ignoring the realities on the ground in Iraq in order to sustain your justification of the invasion and occupation.
I think it’s your denial, rather than my realism, that’s keeping us from a “better discussion.”
Capn – as far as I know – the ‘rage’ is coming from insurgents, many of whom aren’t even Iraqi citizens.
Many Iraqi’s have expressed thanks for the toppling of the madman.
Of course, that’s not high on the liberal media’s list of stories, is it?
I think I’ll take Nathan’s word over CF’s.
Nathan has actually been to Iraq, twice I believe.
How many times have you been to Iraq CF?
BTW – bringing Edward’s into the discussion is VERY APPROPRIATE.
We can’t single out one candidate for their actions without comparing them to the other candidates.
We can only judge by comparison between them.
Both, after all, are running for the Presidency of the United States.
Edward’s gets no passes here.
Republican,
Cry me a river.
I love listening to Right Wingers bitch about how Left-wingers don’t respect the military, and then, when Left-wingers express concern about stop-loss orders and troops who have to serve multiple tours of duty, the Right Wingers immediately turn around and say that nobody MADE those troops sign up.
As for whose views you want to accept, believe who you like. Nathan has been there and I have not. But given how out of step his assessments sound when compared with the views of others, I’ll take mine, thanks. When dozens of people are being killed on a daily basis, I’d say the situation is out of control and that we’ve trashed the place.
GSheridan,
So, let’s see: quite telling that the candidate who discloses the truth comes in for quite a trashing at your hands, while the one who is either dishonest or delusional smells to you, like a rose.
Your histrionic attacks on John Edwards remind one of Lynne Cheney’s hysterical, “outraged” mother posturing when John Kerry (it was John Kerry, GSheridan, remember?) mentioned Mary Cheney’s lesbianism.
Method, or madness? CF2K hasn’t quite made up his mind.
CF,
Left wingies only bring up statistics in Iraq for talking points, nothing else. There is not a glimmer of patriotic prose in them.
The last of the Democrats that had anything resembling Patriotism were in the days of JFK. Since then, they have become hippified, yuppified, neo-neo-liberalized and generally a bunch of socialistic leaning far left whiners who can’t see past their political noses to invoke a thought process.
CF..So under your last example most of our big city’s are out of control, New York and Philadelphia have a dozen murders a day.. so they are disasters as well??
CF – Kerry brought it up once in his debate with GWB, Edwards brought it up twice when debating Cheney.
Even Democrats I know who disliked GWB were angered by the blatant attacks on the family member.
It was just so…so… low class.
This thread is a perfect encapsulation of all the reasons why I haven’t been around here for the last few days. There’s only so much willfully ignorant wingnut buffoonery and hypocrisy I can stand before I have to shake it off and leave the proud 30-Percenters to their delusions.
McCain said he could walk down any number of streets in Iraq and be perfectly safe. This is clearly not true. McCain then went to Iraq and proved it wasn’t true. Furthermore, he used hundreds of US troops to create his delusional photo op. And Gsheridan looks at all of this and celebrates McCain’s BRAVERY for going in to a dangerous Iraqi marketplace. Remind me again what McCain said his little stroll was meant to prove. Nevermind.
And if that illogical loop-de-loop isn’t enough for you, SolDevVB clearly smells a rat in the media coverage of McCain’s heavily armored stroll. I gather from SolDevVB’s questions that he suspects the media is simply making too much of all the security precautions that surrounded McCain’s photo op. Remind me again what McCain said his little stroll was meant to prove. Nevermind.
And finally, for what passes as comic relief on the WE Blog, Republican soon chimes in to register his hatred of Michael Ware’s nose and accent and then suggests that US troops should leave Ware to the terrorists. Republican, you’re a paragon of civility.
Come on folks the stupid liberals are never happy unless they have something to bitch about. They want us to pull out, so the war ends up on our soil. That way they will have something big to bitch about. They will be raising 9 kinds of hell, with facts that one of them made up, asking why nothing was done to protect them, when in fact it will be THEIR fault. They are too stupid to understand.
My my..what is it I always say about repubs?
Defend, deflect, deny…
Oh my, could that be Tiller hater with a new name?
Come on folks the stupid liberals are never happy unless they have something to bitch about. They want us to pull out, so the war ends up on our soil. That way they will have something big to bitch about. They will be raising 9 kinds of hell, with facts that one of them made up, asking why nothing was done to protect them, when in fact it will be THEIR fault. They are too stupid to understand.
Your post has no merit, no matter how many times you post it.
CF,
Perhaps if you were there to see all of the “in control days” instead of the 10 second sound bites you see on the TV you would have a clue.
For every 100 convoys without an incident all you get to see is the one which was attacked.
So you think things are out of control.
For every 100 IED’s found and dismanteled you see the one that goes off and kills someone so you say it is out of control.
There are millions of people in Iraq and thousands of allied troops.
If it were out of control things would be worse than some cowardly terrorist trying to blow up someone with an IED or the cowardly attacks on civilians for reprisal killings.
I have a very good idea of what is going on there on the ground.
If every street were not safe to walk on or down as you would imply then don’t you think more would be getting killed?
You have no perspective.
The sad truth is that none of these deaths matter one damn to you or the democrats any more than how you can use it for political gain.
I can prove it with one question:
Would things get worse or better if we pulled out within a year as the democrats have passed? Why?
Now tell me you give two craps about how many people are dying over there when you want us to leave them to die!
It seems to be the liberals here that are in denial.
Historically, courage (or at least the semblance of it,) were looked upon as a quality one wanted in a leader.
Now, the libs are trashing a veteran who visits Iraq and comes back to say the surge is working.
If he had come back and said it wasn’t -they would be singing a totally different tune.
As I said before – what is good for America is usually counter to the liberal agenda.
That should be a wake-up call.
Iraqis defending their country, Just as we would, so live with it.
The “terrorist Crap” is just what it is: Crap.
Condor,
I don’t hate Michael Ware’s nose. I just think he is another CNN reporter without a clue. Ware is so interested in hearing himself talk he forgets about being a reporter that actually reports the news and becomes a leftist editor that spews his own personal views about the war.
Ware is no longer a reporter, he’s a prime time snake oil salesman.
Nathan,GSheridan,
Your comments to the liberals on this thread are out of line, over the top, hateful, unreasonable, illogical and ill informed. But most of all, they are not worthy of any further response.
No, GS, it’s because he LIED about how it’s going in Iraq.
I think the whole thing was pretty much cut and dried.
Of course, you can walk around in the areas where the US has soldiers surrounding it- duh. But for everyone else, no place seems to be safe. That’s why such a mass exodus of Iraqis is happening to out of the country. That’s documented.
And Nathan, one of my friends used to do the convoys back and forth from the airport. He’s home safely right now, but he said it was damn scary knowing at any time they could have been blown to bits. He didn’t go back. He got out.
So are you to tell me that you would walk around with nooo military presence other than yourself in some of these ’safe’ neighborhoods? Be honest.
Condor,
Nathan has earned the right to make comments as he sees fit. GSheridan can say what she wants as well.
Sorry Condor, you are no one’s decider on who posts what on this or any other blog that open to the public.
Oppose it, chastise, pick it apart or generally disagree, but you don’t decide anything of what people have to say.
Listen,
There are troops who disagree with the war, they don’t like Iraq, they don’t want to be there, they miss their kids, their wives, their home…
I do not represent the voices of all in the military.
I can only tell you what I have seen and heard.
I have met both the outgoing and incoming Commandant of the Marine Corps.
I have met several Admirals who oversee the Navy Personel in the region.
I have met several Generals who work in the region.
I have yet to meet or hear an officer who is down beat or thinks we are failing.
It is not some great military conspiracy where they must all be good parots.
We are talking about honorable men who have spent their lives developing and training Marines and leading them into battle.
These Generals have all said that speaking with Bush is an honor, he is a leader, that we must continue the fight, that leaving now would only result in further death and destruction.
That is what you liberals and Democrats refuse to see. If we leave it will only allow further death and destruction to ensue.
Our mission there is noble. It is costly, it is hard.
Freedom and Democracy in a country in the Middle East isn’t easy especially when you are fighting terrorists, Iran infiltration and support opposing you, and secretarian violence.
So, as always, the Democrats are ready to run at a moments notice.
Political Mom,
I don’t blame him. It can be a very draining thing constantly going on patrol and convoy operations in Iraq.
I am still waiting to see these lies you are talking about.
It is not hard to do, if Bush lied, then you should be able to easily show me the quote.
I asked you very specific questions Nathan. And you just went off on a tangent without answering me.
SO am I to guess that IS your answer?
Excuse me, I didn’t think it was a tangent.
Of course I would not walk around in Iraq.
The reason?
I am a white, male, American, Christian, Marine.
I am not a normal Iraqi walking around.
Still waiting for you to answer my question too…
PM – McCain didn’t lie – our military commanders have backed up his assertion.
The Surge is working.
Iraq is now safer than it was when our troops were scarce and there was insufficient manpower to put down the insurgency.
The sheer number increase has made the difference.
That’s just the truth.
McCain said only what our commanders are saying.
One good thing that has come out of our invasion of Iraq:The Republicans are no longer the majority in either the Congress or the Senate.
SS – just a temporary error that will be corrected in ‘08.
Thank you for answering honestly.Remember, there are Iraqi Christians in Iraq as well….well, if there are any left.
Now exactly what question did you ask of me?
Oh the political bickering….Republicans are liars and Democrats are evil dissenters. BLAH! BLAH!BLAH! Unfortunately, we are going to see if the president’s plan will work. The dem’s will cave and fund this (i am sure we will all agree) marginal policy. We will have troops there for the next 10 years still fighting the same enemy. The GOP will still stand on the same old “If we leave then they will follow us home” bullshit. As if Osama Bin Laden forgot where the United States is on the map. The dem’s will still be pointing a finger and our children will get to pay for it all. Nothing constructive will ever come out of this. There has not been peace in this part of the world for hundreds of years. Nothing we do will change that. This war has stretched our forces to its breaking point. Good luck recruiting future generations to protect our great country. One would be a fool to enlist to defend what has become the laughing stock of the world.
Political Mom,
One quote from Bush showing he lied.
Mike,
You probably look at a glass as half empty instead of half full?
Just a guess.
Mike – kids are enlisting every day.
oh it’s on the thread you asked me in the first place.
I’ve given quite a few. But that site has gee oh so many.
It’s an hour past my bedtime. I’ll be back this evening.
The Israeli Mossad has been very active in Iraq and they’ve backed-off tossing bombs around in Baghdad to help the funding bill through congress by making it appear as though the so-called surge is working.
This has been an Israeli war right from the get-go and Israel’s newspapers confirm that.
Next Israel is speculating if the US or Israel should attack Iran first, but that window is fading as congress is getting wise that that would send the price of gasoline through the roof, and the American People won’t stand for any more of that.
Americans are wising up.
Political Mom,
When you come back, one quote. You have yet to produce one.
I don’t want a link to some crazy coo coo liberal website.
One quote. Right here. With the little quote marks and all.
WAs it just fine and dandy that Kerry visited last last year in Iraq, but not McCain now?
Yes, McCain had a lot of troops around him – they like and respect him.
Kerry on the other hand, was photographed eating all by himself. No one would sit with him.
That’s pretty telling.
Kids are enlisting everyday….I said future generations! Not this generation. My good friend is the nation’s leading recruiter for the Air Force.
I was happy to see the country rally after 9/11 and backed the president in his hunt for Bin Laden. What has disgusted me is how the great “Decider” used that support to push his own agenda. This country has never been more polarized than it is today. Its a shame that our leaders did not utilize the political clout they had more wisely.
And what is even more disappointing is how both sides act like third graders on the playground pointing fingers and calling names.
The one lesson everyone will agree that we have learned through all this is….Don’t make unilateral decisions. One is a very lonely number. I suppose this is where the GOP will point out all the token contributions by other countries.
Forgive CF2K if he notes that the various defenders of the Iraq debacle all sound a bit ghoulish in their attempts to spin the situation in Badhdad as “normal.”
When Nathan says that CF2K is “missing the point” because he deliberately chooses to ignore the 99 IED’s that were dismantled in favor of the one that went off, it is NATHAN who is missing the real point: namely, that 99 IED’s had to be dismantled.
I’ve never lived in a city where this level of violence was normal–and that includes cities like Memphis and Los Angeles. For BG to claim that New York and Philadelphia have a dozen murders a day is, factually, nonsense; it’s made up. Last year, 2006, New York had 579 homicides. Baghdad? Last August, 1535. For the math-challenged, blind-obedience over-endowed Right Wing minions like BG, Baghdad in ONE MONTH is nearly THREE TIMES WORSE than New York City all year long. So, forgive me if I ignore you from here on out.
GSheridan,
So it was worth putting all the lives on those soldiers and airmen on the line so that McCain could prove he had friends? Are you really that trivial?
BG – I doubt Philly and DC have a dozen murders a day —
What concerns me about the surge seemng to be working is the departure of the El Sadr leader back in Jan or Dec and his insurgent followers lying low. No one — media or administration, seemed to think it might or might not be a player in the surge working.
Some days coming here and reading the posts of GS, Republican, PM and a few others — it reminds me of my days in a Catholic elementary school when you misbehaved the nun would sneak up behind you and thump you on the ear — then scold you for 10 minutes to humble you …. ahhh the good old days — luckily I know none of you are talking about me — and what ever happened to the notion of “Compassionate Conservatism”? GWB ran in the premise, I wonder why his followers here don’t lead by example — ohhh I know — they’re just mimicing THEIR leader — abandoning the notion. (OK – the Dems aren’t any better — so save it GS )
Well, I’m off to Chicago for a few days, land of great hot dogs, Italian Beef sandwiches, My White Sox / and Bears and of course my son and his gorgeous Polish bride –
– BTW that slashing tire incident happened in Wisconsin during the 04 election — from what I could find out on line – and it was done by Kerry / Edwards supporters —- more than likely they borowed the idea from Chicago tho —
Mike,
We had Great Britian, Austrailia, Spain, Poland… and many other countries with us on the invasion.
We still have the support of troops from South Korea, Japan, Australia, Uganda, and Great Britian.
You can say we didn’t have enough (in your opinion) or that we should have had more (in your opinion) but you can’t say we went it unilaterally.
That is a lie, exactly what you constantly accuse Bush of.
Thanks Nathan…..for proving my point….I suppose this is where the GOP will point out all the token contributions by other countries.
Posted by: Mike | April 03, 2007 at 11:01 AM
And, as usual, the Right Wingers seem not to comprehend that meaningless comparisons are, well, meaningless.
When John McCain visited, it was to prove that Baghdad was safe. The manner in which he carried out his visit contradicted his assertion. Kerry made no such assertion. When he visited Baghdad, doing so did not carry the same weight or have the same significance.
I know you Right Wingers love to conflate different cases as a Red Herring, in order to engage in ad hominem attacks. But if McCain is telling the truth, he shouldn’t need all that protection. The fact that he does either means that he’s a liar or he’s delusional.
Either way, he shouldn’t be President. And the currently moribund state of his campaign suggests the CF2K is right you’re wrong–all of you.
Mike, I just don’t ascribe to the same doom and gloom scenario. After the Vietnam War, there was a feeling of despondency in our military, but it didn’t last, although some liberals said we’d never have another strong military.
In fact, by the time of the Gulf War we were already seeing big numbers of enlistments. The Reagan era brought out the pride of military in a lot of our kids.
IF the Iraq was going to have an enlisting repercussions, I think we would be seeing them now.
NathanPlease list out the number of dead from these other contributors. Better yet, please list the number of troops sent to Iraq by them. I will help.U.S. 107,000
Your turn.
NYT
McCain Wrong on Iraq Security, Merchants Say
“BAGHDAD, April 2 — A day after members of an American Congressional delegation led by Senator John McCain pointed to their brief visit to Baghdad’s central market as evidence that the new security plan for the city was working, the merchants there were incredulous about the Americans’ conclusions.
What are they talking about?” Ali Jassim Faiyad, the owner of an electrical appliances shop in the market, said Monday. “The security procedures were abnormal!”
The delegation arrived at the market, which is called Shorja, on Sunday with more than 100 soldiers in armored Humvees — the equivalent of an entire company — and attack helicopters circled overhead, a senior American military official in Baghdad said. The soldiers redirected traffic from the area and restricted access to the Americans, witnesses said, and sharpshooters were posted on the roofs. The congressmen wore bulletproof vests throughout their hourlong visit.
“They paralyzed the market when they came,” Mr. Faiyad said during an interview in his shop on Monday. “This was only for the media.”
He added, “This will not change anything.”
At a news conference shortly after their outing, Mr. McCain, an Arizona Republican, and his three Congressional colleagues described Shorja as a safe, bustling place full of hopeful and warmly welcoming Iraqis — “like a normal outdoor market in Indiana in the summertime,” offered Representative Mike Pence, an Indiana Republican who was a member of the delegation.
But the market that the congressmen said they saw is fundamentally different from the market Iraqis know.
Merchants and customers say that a campaign by insurgents to attack Baghdad’s markets has put many shop owners out of business and forced radical changes in the way people shop. Shorja, the city’s oldest and largest market, set in a sprawling labyrinth of narrow streets and alleyways, has been bombed at least a half-dozen times since last summer.
At least 61 people were killed and many more wounded in a three-pronged attack there on Feb. 12 involving two vehicle bombs and a roadside bomb.
American and Iraqi security forces have tried to protect Shorja and other markets against car bombs by restricting vehicular traffic in some shopping areas and erecting blast walls around the markets’ perimeters. But those measures, while making the markets safer, have not made them safe.
In the latest large-scale attack on a Baghdad market, at least 60 people, most of them women and children, were killed last Thursday when a man wrapped in an explosives belt walked around such barriers into a crowded street market in the Shaab neighborhood and blew himself up.
In recent weeks, snipers hidden in Shorja’s bazaar have killed several people, merchants and the police say, and gunfights have erupted between militants and the Iraqi security forces in the area.
During their visit on Sunday, the Americans were buttonholed by merchants and customers who wanted to talk about how unsafe they felt and the urgent need for more security in the markets and throughout the city, witnesses said.
“They asked about our conditions, and we told them the situation was bad,” said Aboud Sharif Kadhoury, 63, who peddles prayer rugs at a sidewalk stand. He said he sold a small prayer rug worth less than $1 to a member of the Congressional delegation. (The official paid $20 and told Mr. Kadhoury to keep the change, the vendor said.)
Mr. Kadhoury said he lost more than $2,000 worth of merchandise in the triple bombing in February. “I was hit in the head and back with shrapnel,” he recalled.
Ali Youssef, 39, who sells glassware from a sidewalk stand down the block from Mr. Kadhoury, recalled: “Everybody complained to them. We told them we were harmed.”
He and other merchants used to keep their shops open until dusk, but with the dropoff in customers as a result of the attacks, and a nightly curfew, most shop owners close their businesses in the early afternoon.
“This area here is very dangerous,” continued Mr. Youssef, who lost his shop in the February attack. “They cannot secure it.”
But those conversations were not reflected in the congressmen’s comments at the news conference on Sunday.
Instead, the politicians spoke of strolling through the marketplace, haggling with merchants and drinking tea. “The most deeply moving thing for me was to mix and mingle unfettered,” Mr. Pence said.
Mr. McCain was asked about a comment he made on a radio program in which he said that he could walk freely through certain areas of Baghdad.
“I just came from one,” he replied sharply. “Things are better and there are encouraging signs.”
He added, “Never have I been able to go out into the city as I was today.”
Told about Mr. McCain’s assessment of the market, Abu Samer, a kitchenware and clothing wholesaler, scoffed: “He is just using this visit for publicity. He is just using it for himself. They’ll just take a photo of him at our market and they will just show it in the United States. He will win in America and we will have nothing.”
A Senate spokeswoman for Mr. McCain said he left Iraq on Monday and was unavailable for comment because he was traveling.
Several merchants said Monday that the Americans’ visit might have only made the market a more inviting target for insurgents.
“Every time the government announces anything — that the electricity is good or the water supply is good — the insurgents come to attack it immediately,” said Abu Samer, 49, who would give only his nickname out of concern for his safety.
But even though he was fearful of a revenge attack, he said, he could not afford to stay away from the market. This was his livelihood. “We can never anticipate when they will attack,” he said, his voice heavy with gloomy resignation. “This is not a new worry.”
Ahmad Fadam and Wisam A. Habeeb contributed reporting.”
GSheridan,
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!
Turns out John McCain sought out John Kerry back in 2004 to discuss switching from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/4/3/11936/97033
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!
Looks like your boy’s done there, GSheridan.
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!
Yea GS – instead of a slim Democratic majority in each house it will be a big one. With a Democrat in the White House!
Mike,
My point was made already.
CF2K,
It is no surprise that he was probably talking about it.
He basically votes with the Democrats on most issues anyhow.
NathanGood Job! You Win! I bow to your intellect and perspective. If I had only been born a right winger. I wouldnt be so weak. Is it too late? Is there room on the GOP bandwagon for a Black Man?
There is? Where? What? I have to sit in the back? What do you use that rope for?
Nathan,
I wouldn’t say he votes the way you characterize, but I agree this isn’t terribly surprising.
What it is, however, is funny, particularly in light of GSheridan’s rhapsodic codpiece worship of a certain “straight-talker.” Should be fun to watch her try to worm McCain out of this one.
Mike,
OUCH. That’s GOTTA hurt.
Mike,
Is that sarcasm? I am not sure, it is hard to get tone from type…
If the hood fits Nathan….wear it!
Lets not forget the history of the GOP. I am sure Nathan you will find a way to defend it. The GOP has never made a bad decision.
I am sure that there were defenders of that policy as well.
Too bad Liberals can’t make a point solvent to the issue at hand. They figure that some shrill shrieking and middle finger pointing is the answer to all debate.
This is how Liberals think they win debate. Instead of discussing the topic, they drag in some political carcass memorandum.
So back to the story about McCain feeling safe in Iraq. He felt safe and ? I’m sure someone who spent time as a POW as McCain has, surely knows what safe means and what it doesn’t.
Maybe we should get Ware’s opinion on it…er nm he’s being ignored. :)
My point Mr. Republikkkan is many foolish policies have been supported through our history by the GOP. This one is no different. Political carcass…..you make me sick! You f***ers never admit a mistake and are blind to reality. Then proceed to pick apart someone’s argument by pulling a few words out of it and spinning it into something else.
There is a special place in hell for you. And maybe with a little self-reflection you might understand why the rest of the world hates you. Wants to kill you. But I forget…you are right and everyone else is just jealous. They hate us for our freedom…they hate you because you are a selfish, self centered, a-hole.
Mike,
Calm down there crazy!
Can you discuss the issue here without getting all obscene?
My guess is that McCain’s carefree stroll (lol, what’d that guy have, the whole 3rd army plus the USAF with him?!? plus flak jackets, a.k.a., the fashion accessory that’s ahem in with a bullet this spring in Baghdad) will turn out to have painted a big fat bulls’ eye on that market.
That’s how insurgency works, after all. The party in power uses a public space to make a political point, the insurgency sees and uses the easy solution every time and kaboom no more market. If you as McCain lack discipline and claim a peace that isn’t there, then the insurgency will be more than happy to steal your thunder by breaking that peace. In a loud and special way, too.
In fact, there’s your acid test: If McCain is correct, then the proof will be in how long this market stands unbombed. If, on the other hands, the insurgents have the upper hand now in Baghdad, then kaboom no more market.
Risky stunt by McCain. He was extremely lucky that the insurgency didn’t take the opportunity to blow the hell outta something else, something left undefended. My guess is that next time the insurgents won’t be caught so flat footed.
Hmmm,
The use of “Republikkkan” sound so familiar and out of a dozen or so posts, guess who uses this?
CF anyone? :) Hi Mike = CF. hehe!
Just one example of CF’s usage.
“RepubiKKKan/JM/Eier
If they were, you’re the lying racist troll I say you are.
Liar. Racist. Troll.
Posted by: CF | March 08, 2007 at 03:24 PM
Caught on tape! :)
“Too bad Liberals can’t make a point solvent to the issue at hand. They figure that some shrill shrieking and middle finger pointing is the answer to all debate.”
Oh, I don’t know about that, Republican. I’ve kept my cool around here just fine. You’ve had no answer to anything I’ve said, and have already gone off on another of your patented “liberals hate America and are cowards who hate America” rants. You have nothing, and it’s obvious.
I’ve said before that when you crossed me, JM/Eier/Republican, that you made an enemy. But at the moment, you aren’t able to serve as a worthy opponent for CF2K. That is, you’re currently so lame that you aren’t even worth having as an enemy.
I’ll check back later and see if you’ve pulled yourself together.
Nope. Mike ain’t me. I do think he’s funny, though.
I mean, it’s self-evident that you’re a liar and a racist from your posts. Any liberal can see what you’re about; no stretch to switch three K’s for one ‘c.’
Be sure and come on back now CF. That is, when your blood pressure gets below the risk of having a stroke level.
Oh btw, no need to reply to your own posts. :)
“Mike,
OUCH. That’s GOTTA hurt.”
Posted by: CF2K | April 03, 2007 at 11:25 AM
Oops: typepad signed me out of CF2K. All of the above posts ARE from CF2K.
(Ack. I HATE quadruple posts).
Blood pressure? Sorry to inform you, but you don’t matter that much, Repubican.
Again, is this much ado about nothing?
What is the typical contingency of secret service/security for a presidential hopeful in any foreign country? What is the typical number of troops on the streets of Baghdad? What aircraft – fixed and rotary wing- are typically assigned to that airspace in Baghdad?
You bet, er CF, CF2K, Mike.
What were those rules that CapnAmerican posted? :)
GS- You are right about:-”just a temporary error that will be corrected in ‘08.”
The slim majority that the Democrats have in the Senate will be larger in ‘08.
CF2K,
I would be interested in what comments Republican has made which make you think it is ok to insinuate he is part of the kkk or it is ok to use kkk in his name?
I have not seen anything like this from him.
Mike=6′4 265lbs black male. Married, 3 kids, and INDEPENDENT political affiliation. Funny how anyone that disagrees with the “right” is labeled liberal.
Sounds like golfnutz is the one with the blood pressure problem. And I notice, when he couldnt come up with the facts, he attacked the patriotism of those who disagree with him. And he attacked the sources, not the point.
Patriotic Prose? hweheheheheheheh.
Yeah, I think that is what got us into this disaster. What’s the matter nutz? The TRUTH isnt good enough for you? You need patriotic prose INSTEAD of the truth?
All I can say is I am thankful that you are NOT in the military.
BTW, with all the “kids” enlisting, why is the military having to lower its standards for new recruits, AND they cant meet their recruitment goals?
Yeah. Kids are just DYING to go to iraq.
Mike,
You said:
“Republikkkan is many foolish policies have been supported through our history by the GOP. This one is no different. Political carcass…..you make me sick! You f***ers never admit a mistake and are blind to reality. Then proceed to pick apart someone’s argument by pulling a few words out of it and spinning it into something else.”
“Lets not forget the history of the GOP.”
“Is there room on the GOP bandwagon for a Black Man?”
Sorry for any confusion of labeling you as a liberal.
My bad…
Mike, you just have to get used to the paranoia of the right wing. They thought Clark was under every tea cup, and now they are scared shitless that CF might be posting under another name. Which, I might add, he has NEVER done.
But golfnutz not only does it with impunity, he condones it as “what’s the harm”.
So golfnuts, what is the harm IF CF posts as Mike, which he clearly doesnt do?
Poor poor baby. Dont like the taste of your own medicine? Think you are incharge of the blog?
OOOOOH! Why not threaten to get their IP address?hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehhe
I think the problem with reenlistment rates (at least in the Army) is pretty much restricted to NCO’s and CO’s from the rank of Major on down.
You know, the brains of the military. They’re the ones who as a group are making a beeline out of the military.
Mike,
Just so we’re clear, I’m not you, and you’re not me, right?
(CF2K = 5′4″ male Jew, 150lbs unmarried, with one 20 year-old son; Yellow Dog Democrat).
I know this is silly. But from your comments, it’s clear that you realize the level of those we’re dealing with.
Keep on singing the song Nathan…..there are little republicans fighting in all of us to get out.
Just a few more patriotic slogans and they will be free!
Believe it or not….not everybody that disagrees is a liberal.
And to all those that I may have offended by placing 3k’s in place of one c….like I said earlier…if the hood fits….
Yes Mike, answer Nathan’s question why using “KKK” in my name is relevant to the discussion to this blog’s thread topic.
Thanks for the physical stats Mike, but I remain unimpressed as it irrelevant to the topic at hand. :)
And once again, who is this golfnutz? I’ve been accused of many things, but liking golf isn’t one of them.
Ah yes, the good old days have returned.
Topic is begun. Topic soon turns into liberals like Mike throwing around names.
Liberals then play the victim card and procede to console each other for being so brave and victorious over those conservatives…
Blah Blah Blah Blah.
CF2K,
How is repulican a racist or what makes you put kkk in his name?
Mike,
If you are not a liberal then what are you that you see fit to bash the GOP at every turn?
dance little puppet dance!
Would you like to discuss why Patriotic Prose is part of the discussion?
Would you like to discuss why it matters if anyone is posting under multiple nics?
Waiting…
“Mike,
If you are not a liberal then what are you that you see fit to bash the GOP at every turn?”
Uh, maybe because he has two working brain cells that havent drown in the kookaide?
If Mike is who I think he is (demforsure?) he hates gay folks as much as you do.
Does that make him a liberal? I think not.
Anybody that needs to clarify who I am can click on my name and send me an email. Furthermore, if you would like to meet me face to face then that is fine too.
CFK2….I am not you! I am not old enough to have a son that is 20…..my son is 8.
So from now on I will provide the following disclaimer….The views in this post do not represent the views of CF, CF2K, golfnutz,ksfarmgrrl, or any non GOP affiliate.
“marty – isn’t it ironic how good news for the United States, (successful surge) is bad news for Liberals?”
Gosh Nathan, perhaps you better scroll up and re-read. It was little miss pissy pants, the poster child for deluded conservatives, who threw out the first insult.
But nice try at spinning. We are amused, and we do encourage you to try again.
” Furthermore, if you would like to meet me face to face then that is fine too.”
Uh oh Mike. You violated the rules of the king and queen, republikhan and little miss pissy pants. Go back to Sunday’s open thread to find THEIR rules for blog behavior.
I see how well they are minding their own rules.
KFG,
I don’t hate gay people.
I think you are living a sinful lifestyle in rejection of God’s word and will ultimately face God’s judgement for refusing to repent for living a sinful lifestyle which will result in an eternal life in hell (which will not be fun) according to the Bible.
Not hate. I feel pity for you.
Oh, the rule you violated? Thou shalt not call for a face to face meeting.
I sure hope the khanster and little miss pissy pants will remember that and not attend any meetups. Wouldnt want any face to face meetings.
Look what happened to Dave after he went to the last meetup. He got busted for saying he was one thing and it turned out… wait for it…
…he was the polar opposite of what he said.
heheheheheh. Six impossible things and a handful of lies before breakfast.
http://www.kansas.com/519/story/34641.html
Jaafar Moussa Thamir, a 42-year-old who sells electrical appliances at the Shorja market that the Republican congressmen visited on Sunday, said the delegation greeted some fellow vendors with Arabic phrases but he was not impressed.
“They were just making fun of us and paid this visit just for their own interests,” he said. “Do they think that when they come and speak few Arabic words in a very bad manner it will make us love them? This country and its society have been destroyed because of them and I hope that they realized that during this visit.”
Thamir said “about 150 U.S. soldiers and 20 Humvees” accompanied the delegation.
Mike,
Good. I am me. You are you. Just as I suspected.
Republican may now find another tree to bark up.
I would like to thank everyone that has participated in today’s blog. I am glad that my party affiliation is such a hot topic! Last time folks, INDEPENDENT!
Bash the GOP. If reminding you of your history is bashing then so be it. If pointing out your hypocrisy is bashing then so be it. If reminding you what your party has stood for in the past and what it stands for now is bashing then so be it.
I make no apologies for my opinions. I am sorry for you that must constantly feel compelled to defend yours.
Sorry I forgot my disclaimer…..for my previous post….The views in this post do not represent the views of CF, CF2K, golfnutz,ksfarmgrrl, or any non GOP affiliate.
KFG,
I don’t hate gay people.
I think you are living a sinful lifestyle in rejection of God’s word and will ultimately face God’s judgement for refusing to repent for living a sinful lifestyle which will result in an eternal life in hell (which will not be fun) according to the Bible.
Not hate. I feel pity for you.
Posted by: Nathan | April 03, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Sounds like recruiting pitch for the Christian religion Nathan!The religion of tolerance and foregiveness.
“Do not judge, yet you be judged!” sound familiar? Practice what you preach.
KFG,
I don’t hate gay people.
I think you are living a sinful lifestyle in rejection of God’s word and will ultimately face God’s judgement for refusing to repent for living a sinful lifestyle which will result in an eternal life in hell (which will not be fun) according to the Bible.
Not hate. I feel pity for you.
Posted by: Nathan | April 03, 2007 at 12:48 PM
Sounds like recruiting pitch for the Christian religion Nathan!The religion of tolerance and foregiveness.
“Do not judge, yet you be judged!” sound familiar? Practice what you preach.
The views in this post do not represent the views of CF, CF2K, golfnutz,ksfarmgrrl, or any non GOP affiliate.
Big eye roll here. Wait until he starts quoting scripture Mike. That is when you KNOW he is desperate. I feel it coming on here in 3..2..1..
So, Mike what’s with “KKK” usage in my name as CF has done in the past more than a dozen times?
If you feel the need to call me a racist, do so following this post so the whole word across the Internet see how you interact. :)
Hey buddy…..I have no problem recalling what the GOP has stood for. I am sorry that you choose a screenname with a history of racism and oppression. If you choose to associate yourself with that then you deal with the repercussions. If I came in here with a name like Tupac then you would associate me with the hip hop culture. And I would deal with the repercussions. Guilty by association? Maybe so. Either way, you made your bed…..
Disclaimer…..The views in this post do not represent the views of CF, CF2K, golfnutz,ksfarmgrrl, or any non GOP affiliate.
Maybe this is why Nathan feels the need to defend the bush reich uber alles? He could meet the same fate if he publicly disagreed with the war. So.. take it with a grain of salt.
Source: Associated Press
Marine Opposed to War Ordered Discharged
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3003249
Mike,
Where is tolerance in the Bible?
I don’t claim that Christianity is the religion of tolerance.
Forgiveness yes.
Now all we need is some repentance from KFG and she should be ok according to God’s word, which says homosexuality is a sin.
KFG,
He was a conscientious objector.
It is kind of hard to be a Marine and refuse to kill or go to war.
He is the one who petitioned the government to release him.
Get a clue woman.
Mike,
Racism and opression?
Where has the GOP stood for that?
The GOP was formed around freeing the slave. Lincoln was a republican.
I don’t know where you are getting your history, but I suggest you go get an education.
Mike,
History of racism and oppression? What manifesto did you read that from?
Party of Lincoln is racist and oppressive?
If you wanted to use Tupac or any other name would have been fine with me. Being as it means (Warrior, Messenger) I think would be very appropriate for a Blog.
The name “Khan” comes from Genghis Khan, not any other variation or source. The name of my Blog is RepubliKansan.
By your logic, Republic County Kansas is a racist County.
Obviously Nathan. Your Christianity is much different than mine. Yours is one of…..nevermind.
I thought you beat me earlier? Why are you still talking to me? You have proven your superiority. And you have shown us all that you have the “moral highground”. We are all very blessed by your devine presence.
The views in this post do not represent the views of CF, CF2K, golfnutz,ksfarmgrrl, or any non GOP affiliate.
Mike,
Instead of engaging in the discussion you divert to your pathetic sarcasm.
Didn’t you know that Lincoln was a republican?
Lincoln disowned you along time ago. Some ego you have aligning yourselves with Lincoln. If you are going to go there then….See Strom Thurman Republican, Trent Lott Republican, Republican Rep. Barbara Cubin, Presidential Candidate David Duke REPUBLICAN
The views in this post do not represent the views of CF, CF2K, golfnutz,ksfarmgrrl, or any non GOP affiliate.
Mike,
I have no problems with trent lott. He is not a racist.
When did Licoln disavow us?
It was the republicans who passed the civil rights laws.
Mike, face it. You are wrong about the GOP.
Never knew what that stood for. hehe!
er…
Then give me my GOP Card…..what time is O’Reilly on? Give me a gay to bash! I need an illegal to pick my crop. Don’t I get a complimentary woman to bear my young and keep the grits hot?
Trent Lott is a great guy! I might let him send some dirty emails to my son.
GOP is for ME!
The views in this post do not represent the views of CF, CF2K, golfnutz,ksfarmgrrl, or any non GOP affiliate.
So…
All I have gathered from this is that KFG is much more eloquent in person than in type?
Good to see ya, ksfarmgrrl.
“Fluffy” evidently has learned how to use Google.
On the internet, no one knows you’re a cat.
ksfarmgrrl,
There are many senses in which “Fluffy” has ‘nothing’ to hide.
ksfarmgrrl,
Indeed I do. That’s why I was willing to sign on to the mass exodus in the first place. Brownshirt tactics of bullying, intimidation, and violence come second nature to them.
And to be frank, I see little qualitative difference between the disingenuousness of a Republican, the deviousness of a GSheridan, or the attempt at force, bullying, and intimidation of a Fluffy. They’re all cut from the same cloth. Lying, outing, bullying–whatever allows you to claim victory.
You’re a nothing and you’re a nothing, Cindy and Fluffy. Tell us–how’s that feel?
ksfarmgrrl,
Now comes the shadow boxing, in which, having barked, the little dog scurries away from the foot poised to deliver a kick.
Still no answer to question of how it feels to be such nothings? Big shock. I can only imagine how it must be to be either one of you.
Odd, I have that surname in my genealogy. They didn’t make it as far as Kansas though. :)
Fluffy and Cindy,
Boy–that’s some funny stuff! Nyuk nyuk nyuk and all that.
GSheridan,
It’s a bit beyond your ability, this effort to be both magnanimous AND catty at the same time. If CF2K were you–and we both are probably grateful he is not–he’d choose one or the other–not both.
Oooh, classy! Which, of course, assumes that you’ve SEEN both Fluffy and Cindy–oops, sorry, SOB and fleetwood.
So how about it, GSheridan? Have you seen them in person?
Doh–ksfarmgrrl, you beat me to the punch.
Not that CF2K would ever punch GSheridan. That’s what ksfarmgrrl is for.
GSheridan,
You’re more invested in ksfarmgrrl than Bill Gates in Microsoft.
Cindy. Minus the adorableness.
OK. Goin’ to vote. Have fun, all!
Copy that, SOB.
Wait by the Stone Statue for further instructions.
And whatever you do – don’t pet the blue cat.
ROFLMAO
You must be typing at a frantic pace, KKKSfarmie.
Gee – you scare me sooooo badly.
Maybe I’ll just give in and tell you everything about me.
NOT!
LOL
Well, dangit, dinner won’t get made without me.
Catch ya on the flipflop, farmie.
It’s been fun watching you trail behind me like a lovesick puppy, hanging on my every word, but I have responsibilities.
Try to remember where we left off…and we can pick back up later on.
Ciao
Don’t let them pull you down to their level, KSGrrl.
Seriously, GSheridan-GolfNuts-Fleettwood haven’t had an important or entertaining post between them since they started blogging here.
They are total scroll overs. Their ideals are a mass of contradiction. Their arguments are without evidence. Their reasoning is without merit.
They are the past masters of the stereotype, Readers’ Digest cliche, and conventional “wisdom.”
Their only strength is in their ability to irritate thinking people.
Fighting with a chimney sweep just makes one dirty . . .
I was hoping the boycotters could return and lead the Blog in the direction of more civility and reasoned responses.
There’s only so many names we can call each other, after all.
Wow. Reading the rest of this thread has been really enlightening. Just when I thought right-wing nuts couldn’t get anymore batshit crazy or hysterical, they prove me wrong. All they have left in the tank is: “Liberals hate America, war in Iraq going swimmingly, Bush = grand truthsayer, did I mention liberals hate America?” Pretty pathetic.
And they wonder why they are so unpopular right now.
“”Liberals hate America,…”
At least you got that part right.
SOB & fleettwood,
Thanks so much for visiting the WV blog to spy, although that’s kind of hard to do when we all knew you were doing it. But you did exactly as we expected and planned, which was to swallow everything hook, line, and sink.
Planned to do what?
Return and cause turmoil on the WE Blog?
If that was your plain, it may have worked.
It’s pretty much a yawner to me though.
RD,
Indeed–though I’d amend it to say “hook, line, and sinkhole”–at least when SOB/Golfnut/Fluffy and fleetwood/Cindy are trolling around.
Ick. It has been enlightening to watch the Right Wing Goon Squad return to form with such rapidity. CF2K can’t say he’s surprised; had they not sought out the folks they love to hate, they would have had nothing left to do but turn on one another.
The secret’s out, guys; you live for nothing but to hate Liberals and to whorship Bush (that was originally a typo, but it turned out rather well). WAY juvenile–and not in a good, exuberant way; more like filthy small boys trying to pull the wings off flies.
SOB, how’s that “choice” of heterosexuality been workin’ out for ya lately? How does that work, exactly? Do you have to get up every day and “decide” not to look at some dude’s ass (shudder)?
Oh, wait, my bad–I forgot you’re NOT Golfnut. But dollars to donuts that the oaf on the other side of the name ‘SOB’ is tall, pasty, lacking a chin, sporting a beard, and trying mightily to suck in an ever-expanding gut.
Republican,
Considering your gleeful participation in today’s mudbath, you may want to can the phony outrage. Like everthing else about you, it’s a put-on calibrated to gain some advantage.
Anyone who posts someone’s real name on here who doesn’t share it themselves should be banned immediately. I call on Phillip to do that.
Ladies and Gentleman, let’s hear a round of applause for the Reverend Jesse CF2K…
BTW CF2K, have you met this Golfnut? If you know what he looks like, you can meet me if you wish and settle this once and for all. You will find that I am a different person.
If you haven’t met Golfnut, then you might be confused and report back that you have.
Or do you live in Wichita to even meet up?
The challenge is out there.
political_mom,
I’d second that. But of course, I’m just a Liberal civility wuss and all.
You mean like what that troll did to GMC?
Republican,
Um, reading comprehension evidently isn’t your strong suit: my point was that SOB was Golfnut, not that you, Republican/JM/Eier are Golfnut.
I have met Golfnut–or at least someone who showed up at the last WeBlog meetup claiming to be KSGolfnut.
Not the sharpest knife in the the Right Wing drawer, are you, Republican?
As for the “Reverend Jesse” remark, Republican/JM/Eier, you may want to reconsider that: your racism is showing.
Republican,
Yes–no one’s identity should be outed on this blog. No one’s.
Sorry, CF2K, my fingers didn’t finish that last line. Too much typing today on things much more worthwhile.
It’s been an enlightening day though. I think the Right lost their handhold on the moral high ground. It sure didn’t take them much to slip back again.
John Wayne McCain, has once again put everything in perspective, if you go to the market with 100 troops, wearing a flak jacket, and are surrounded with 20 armored humvees, there are very few streets in Iraq you can;t stroll down!
Roxann,
You’re kidding me right?
The fisters return and the first thing they do is pick a fight and then more come in like Mike and ksfarmgrrl stirring things up.
They kept prodding, kicking, gouging , name calling.
Give me a break. People will react naturally when verbally abused.
It’s the Fister Crowd that started this uproar and from what I’ve seen always has been that way.
Bushit is the clown that sent the troops in without adequate body armor, without adequate armored vehicles, who did nothing for 4 years as the veterans’ health care system was overwhelmed, and now has the gall to blame the Dems for not “supporting the troops”? With any more “support” of the Bushit kind, we’ll all be in deep doodoo.
Oh please Repub. There has been baiting going on since before any of us came back. Rolls eyes.
How many times were we called the fisting bunch?
I didn’t see any of you complaining about that.
Bush doesn’t get it, after all this time.
This war is for the Iraqi pro-democracy forces to win or lose.
They’ve had over three years of training and being equipped by the world’s strongest superpower. All the insurgents have is the support of Iran.
American troops, most of whom are Christian and white, are not going to impose a new order in Iraq – not one that will last.
By Bush’s own rhetoric, the Iraqi government has to win this one. Period.
Clinton was the one that slashed the military severely so he could balance the budget.
It took years to recover from the Clinton slash and the DOD supply is just now getting back to normal.
Political Mom, it’s easier to type fisting than fists of whatever that phrase was. If you walk, you’re a walker, if you run you’re a runner and so your group used a fist, so you’re fisters.
Thin skinned eh?
“Mission Accomplished” – the banner in front of which King George stood on May 2, 2003 in Iraq, dressed like a fighter pilot.
Nobody has played politics with the lives of our troops like George W. Bush. The ruthless cut throat politics and lies will be his legacy.
I love watching Junior’s face after he hears that word he has never had to hear: “No.”
Man you will just fall all over yourself for some kind of excuse.
That last post really DID sound just like Golf.
Because it’s true, Dems can’t deny it. President Clinton made huge cuts in the military in order to get his balanced budget.
Look it up, it’s all there.
Why do all these people come from outside of Wichita and mess with my backyard? :)
What other explanation [besides drug and alcohol abuse] is there for an American president being unable to use the phrase “State of the Union” in unscripted remarks without falling all over it ?
“And so, in my State of the – my State of the Union – or state – my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation – I asked Americans to give 4,000 years -4,000 hours over the next – the rest of your life – of service to America. That’s what I asked – 4,000 hours.” – GW Bush, Bridgeport, Conn., April 9, 2002
I would like to state here (without humor) that it is my honest opinion that Mr. Bush might actually have had some sort of actual brainwashing done to him in the past.
If you re-read the above comments by him–it sounds like he is a person in captivity, trying to tell us that he cannot say what he would actually say if he could.
At best this makes him totally un-acceptable as President for any further length of time.
Very observant ksfarmgrrl and you will note I did not make it personal. I used very broad terms “Liberals.”
That’s called maturity when you can see attacking an ideology is different than attacking an individual.
I see attacks on the right all the time and don’t whine about it.
That’s also called maturity.
Perhaps you should try it sometimes.
Nothing wrong with attacking ideologies. Mine gets pummeled all the time.
So GW, down to speech impediment now?
Okay, I’ll be your willing punch bunny. What else you got?
Show me in any post where I attacked you personally ksfarmgrrl.
You won’t find one. I may have given advice or made a remark, but no personal insult remarks.
Question: How old is that brick restaurant, it looks like bricks from the 1930s.
Posts from today or yesterday I meant to put in.
Nathan says our military clearly toppled a standing army with no problem (Mission Accomplished).
IIRC, it was also Nathan who also said there are plenty signing up to join the military, so we aren’t short on troops.
We went into Iraq with Clinton’s military, budget cuts and all. In fact, wasn’t it Rumsfeld who insisted we needed a leaner military to go in? We had the numbers to send more, but he decided we didn’t need it.
It wasn’t budget cuts that created this mess we’re in. It was poor planning. Sure, our military was big enough (under Rumsfeld’s plan) to topple Iraq’s standing army and to eventually, with the help of the Kurds, caputer Saddam. It’s the afterglow that’s killing us. Literally. And you can’t lay 100% at Clinton’s door. Much of that can be blamed on extremely poor planning and misjudgement off the area we invaded. Why didn’t they plan effectively for the occupation? Because they thought we’d be greeted with flowers? Did they forget to do their homework or what?
Poor planning and misjudgment is accurate. Rumsfeld didn’t have a clue and tried to micromanage. Bush hired the wrong man for the job.
RD what you are overlooking is that Clinton didn’t just reduce the number of troops he mothballed much of the usable equipment we had, such as nuclear subs, and didn’t update the vehicles or the clothing for the troops to give them more protection.
And you know what, as sick as you get about Clinton being blamed for a large part of this mess, I am just as sick of the liberal mentality that blinds them to look any further back than yesterday.
Look at the entire picture from the first WTC bombing forward. It wasn’t a pretty picture and when Bush had to finally retaliate his choices were small. When I see the Chairman of the House negotiation with Assad I fear for the future of our nation. We can’t negotiate from a position of strength when we are always on our knees.
Well. Yesterday, John McCain made a point of visiting a market in Baghdad to soft-pedal the epidemic of violence as a way of keeping his candidacy afloat.
Today, Sunni extremists bombed the market. 21 Shia were killed.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21496572-2703,00.html
21 Iraqi civilians died so “Straight Talk” could get a photo-op.
GSheridan thinks John Edwards is capitalizing on his wife’s breast cancer. But he can at least sleep tonight knowing that his desire for the Presidency didn’t kill 21 people who didn’t need to die.
Senator McCain, for shame.
ksgrm,
Damn that Bill Clinton! He somehow brainwashed a hostile Republican Congress into willingly going along with his disasterous military budgets!
Then he somehow tricked Bush into hiring Rumsfeld – the most inflexible, arrogant, incompetant Secretary of Defense in the history of our country who wanted to make our military even smaller! Clinton then prevented Rumsfeld from taking the advice of Gen Shinseki and others who warned that we would need many more troops in Iraq to secure the country after toppling Saddam. And I’m just SURE if it wasn’t for Clinton, Rumsfeld would have planned for an easily predicted anti-American insurgency.
As if all that wasn’t enough, Clinton then used his mysterious all powerful brainwaves to somehow keep Bush and Rumsfeld from doing everything possible to provide enough armored Humvees for the troops until it became a campaign issue during Bush’s relection campaign.
I’m sure it was Clinton who tricked Bush and Rice into ignoring the chief counter-terrorism expert in the country for the first 8 months of the Bush Presidency. If it weren’t for Bill Clinton I’m just sure Bush would have bothered to ask at least one question when he got the Presidential Daily Briefing telling him Bin Laden was determined to hijack airplanes in the US.
I’m sure it was Clinton who somehow magically got the Bush administration to constrain John P. O’Neill’s investigation of Bin Laden’s terror network because of “diplomatic concerns” because O’Neill was investigating Bin Laden’s contacts in Saudi Arabia. O’Neill was so frustrated by this interference that he resigned from the FBI and took a civilian position where he thought his experience might be useful. He became the head of security at the World Trade Center in August, 2001 and died there on September 11, 2001.
Damn that Bill Clinton!
How does that tricky bastard DO it?
Look out ksgrm! I think Bill Clinton’s magical brainwaves may have gotten to you too! I think Bill Clinton has somehow convinced you that Republican Congressmen haven’t been meeting with Assad this month too!
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/202433
“LANCASTER COUNTY, Pa. – While U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s upcoming visit to Syria has caused the White House to bristle, a little-publicized rendezvous took place Sunday between Syria’s president and Lancaster County’s congressman.
And though Bush administration officials have been criticizing Pelosi, it’s not clear what role the White House and the U.S. Department of State played when U.S. Rep. Joe Pitts and two other Republican congressmen met with Syrian President Bassar Assad.”
ksgrm,
You go right ahead believing what you want to. Bush & Co are completely innocent. Everything is Bill Clinton’s fault.
Clinton wants biggest boost in defense spending since ReaganJanuary 24, 2000From Military Affairs Correspondent Jamie McIntyre
WASHINGTON (CNN) — A proposed hike in defense spending by President Bill Clinton is not presidential politics but rather the first step in fulfilling last year’s pledge to add $112 billion to the defense budget over six years, Pentagon officials tell CNN.
When Clinton unveils the federal budget next month, Pentagon sources tell CNN, he will propose spending $291 billion on defense, a hike of more than $18 billion and nearly double last year’s increase.
The nearly 7 percent increase in defense spending next year that the Clinton administration will propose is the biggest increase in the Pentagon’s budget since the Reagan-era military buildup of the 1980s.
Republican,
My answer to your question is yes, I’m serious.
Taking the high road means sticking to it, no matter what is thrown at you. You and GS have yet to show that you’re even on the on ramp.
That’s different, they were probably talkin oil contracts for the big boys!
I wonder if those 21 people were kidnapped walking down the same street as McCain. I also wonder how many days planning went into John’s little side show. Bet the neighborhood was swept. The shoppers were probably all frisked before entering the area, if it wasn’t like those car commercials where the salesmen pose as interested buyers. It’ll probably all come out, and backfire on him.
RD,
Ouch. Spoken like an actual adult.
WeBlog’s two would-be blog mommies, Republican and GSheridan, didn’t acquit themselves very well today. At all.
steve,
Yeah, agreed. That’s what I had in mind when, upthread, I parroted Josh Marshall by calling this McCain’s “Dukakis moment.” This was an ugly, ugly episode, and a serious black mark on his judgment.
But then again, the media seems to get all tumescent whenever ‘ol Straight Talk comes slumming around, so he may yet get a pass.
Hey Roxie sugar babe
taking the high road means keeping your wide ass in the kitchen and shut the hell up. And take ass sucking alky CF2K with ya. Man that guys a hopeless drunk. that dude spends more time in a bar than a beer spiggot
Condor they didn’t call him Slick Willie for nothing. I knew you would eventually see through him.
And as for that repub congress, that could be why they are not in power now, we gave them the majority and they had been in the minority for so long that they didn’t know what to do.
I think the dems are educating them now and they’ll know what to do when they are in the majority again.
RD if you go back and read your own post the key word is ‘proposed’. Many a mind has been changed on the way to actual spending.
Well, ksgrm, that could depend on what party was in power in 2000.
As I said earlier, you can believe what you want to believe. Perhaps we’re both right, even in our disagreement. But to tell the truth, I don’t have time, nor do I feel the need to “convince” you of my opinion. Not that I think that would happen.
Grunt,
Sounds like you’ve spent too much time near the beer spigot tonight. Forget the bar. Sober up, come back, and we’ll discuss your problem.
ksgrm once again proves the magically self-correcting nature of the conservative movement:
“And as for that repub congress, that could be why they are not in power now, we gave them the majority and they had been in the minority for so long that they didn’t know what to do.”
It’s wonderful how conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed. But at some point conservatives might want to stop and ask themselves why they keep electing people who claim to be good conservatives before the election and then fail the cause once they get into office.
Could it be that people that don’t believe in governing can’t govern?
Hmmmm…. and the trolling of the left by the right continues. And the right did indeed show just how civil they can be since the boycotters came back.
We know you can talk the talk. But it is also obvious now, that the wingnuts here cant walk the walk.
When the chips are down, and someone disagrees with them, they reach for the old standbys. Personal attacks and questions about our patriotism and the accusation of treason.
Could THAT be the reason the repubs lost the house and senate? That they wanted to talk the talk of leadership but found themselves unable to walk the walk of actually governing?
Oh and did I mention…
BILL CLINTON!! BILL CLINTON!!
I asked this question before. Will the next democrat elected president get to blame GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH for every screw up they make in the first six years?
And germie, real slow now. It was bush and condie who ignored the memos and briefings of the outgoing Clinton administration that Al Queida was going to be the number one national security threat.
And it was condi and bush who ignored the memo a month before the attacks. You know the memo, the one that said an attack was likely and that airplanes would be used?
Selective memory?
Of course, it is all the fault of the clintonistas, not bushco ignoring the intelligence.
You know, the same intelligence they cooked to justify their little war of choice for oil?
“And as for that repub congress, that could be why they are not in power now, we gave them the majority and they had been in the minority for so long that they didn’t know what to do.
I think the dems are educating them now and they’ll know what to do when they are in the majority again.”
That has GOT to be the most weak and quite frankly pathetic admission of excuse for the crap you elected!
You see, it happens over and over again when they ARE elected. Remember Nixon?
Remember Iran Contra?
I can’t remember when the repubs controlled congress last. Wasn’t it something like 40 some years ago?
While you’re at it thank House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for stopping Israel from starting WWlll by attacking Syria.
Israel is using the F-15s we gave them to overfly Syria, breaking the sound barrier everyday and shattering windows trying to provoke the Syrians and Hesbollah in Lebanon into war.
The last thing the Zionists of Israel {ruling class } wants is peace. That’s why the majority of American Jews and half the Jews in Israel want nothing to do with the Zionists.
Americans think all Jews are the same. They’re not.
War with Syria wouldn’t be WWWIII.
Israel will just prove AGAIN, they can kick the dog crap out of Syria anytime they feel like it.
SHAME ON MCCAIN,you’d think someone who went through the Viet Nam war would have more thoughts for our military.But hey maybe he’s bitter and taking it out on the boys and girls of those who protested his war.McCain the new G.I.Jane in reverse.
Why do you all continue to entertain this Farm Girl?
Her words are so disturbing and are anything but peacful. This is so unlike what I know to be of my Christian faith. The same attitude is exibited in Muslim extremist!
Stop this entertaining of this one and let’s get on with topics of dialog and solutions to the world’s problems.
Sorry, I need to clarify that Christian extremists are as bad as extremeist of any faith!
While, as a Christian, I have the right to defend my religion, as a child of God, I do not have a right to spew provocative diologe to a person of another faith or party. This is God’s law, not man’s!
While I may not agree with other faiths or parties, I’ve not yet found any organized religion that teaches anything other than love for thy neighbor.
Sure, there our pockets around our world and sects of religion where men and women are told to despise another religion, or party.
Let’s refrain from this, or would it just not be so interesting?
What’s wrong with this world?
Allen Pizzey: Yes. It’s disgraceful for a man seeking highest office, I think, to talk utter rubbish. And that is utter rubbish. It’s electoral propaganda. It is simply not true. No one in his right mind who has been to Baghdad believes that story.
Now, McCain and some other senators were there on Sunday, and they claimed, “Oh, we walked around for a whole hour…and we drove in from the airport. Gosh, aren’t we great, we drove in from the airport.” Excuse me, Mr. McCain, you drove in in a large convoy of heavily armed vehicles. The last one had a sign on it saying “Keep back 100 yards. Deadly force authorized.” Every single car that they approached or passed pulled over and stopped, because that’s the way it is. When one of those security details goes by, every ordinary person gets the hell out of the way, in case they get shot.
If he did walk around that market, and I didn’t see him do it, and he didn’t announce he was going to do it, you can bet your life there were an awful lot of soldiers deployed to make sure that nobody came near that place. He’s talking rubbish. And he should not get away with it.
McCain should have stayed home. Next to that, he should have kept his mouth shut. Stupid is as stupid does. Trouble is, nearly all the federal lawmakers (both Democrat and Republican) are like this, they think the masses are too stupid to see through their bullsh*t. Unfortunately, some of us are too busy taking pot shots at each other to notice.