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		<title>By: beware.the.new.age</title>
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		<description>And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24: 4-5

Did you know?

1. Theosophy-Satanist Connections.

* Madame Blavatsky, co-founder of the Theosophical Society, the earliest New Age organisation, also founded &#8220;Lucifer Magazine&#8221; in 1887.  Years later, they changed the name to The Theosophical Review.  Alice A. Bailey, another Theosophist, founded the Lucifer Publishing Company in 1922, which was later renamed the Lucis Trust.

* Blavatsky was clearly enamoured with the Devil.  &#8220;It is but natural…to view Satan, the Serpent of Genesis, as the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind. For it is he who was the &#039;Harbinger of Light,&#039; bright radiant Lucifer, who opened the eyes of the automaton created by Jehovah.&#8221; (The Secret Doctrine: The Synthesis of Science, Religion, and Philosophy, Vol. II — Anthropogenesis, p. 243.)* Benjamin Creme, of New Age outfit &#039;Share International&#039;, defended Lucifer from his negative reputation.  At his Share International website, he wrote &#8220;Lucifer is the name of a great Angel ... the angel who ensouls the human kingdom; every person, therefore, is a fragment of Lucifer.&#8221;  Every person is a fragment of Lucifer?  But, as you say, we are all God, right? Hang on, just who is your God, Benjamin Creme?


2. New Age-Nazism Connections

* Blavatsky believed that certain races, for example, the Aryan race, were destined to achieve self-redemption; while others, such as the &#8220;Veddhas of Ceylon, and some African tribes&#8221;, &#8220;happily&#8221;, were dying out.  Essentially she believed in the superiority and inferiority of certain races in a manner not dissimilar to the doctrine of the Nazis.  Indeed, Hitler was fascinated by Blavatsky&#039;s work; it is said he kept a copy of &#8220;The Secret Doctrine&#8221; by his bedside. (See &#8220;Adolf Hitler, The Occult Messiah&#8221;, by Gerald Suster).

* Hitler and the Nazis were very much involved in occult, New Age teachings.  In fact, they believed they were ushering in the &#8220;new world order&#8221; in which humanity would evolve collectively to a higher state of consciousness; &#8220;god consciousness&#8221;.  They, also, were waiting for the foretold appearance of the &#8220;Lord Maitreya&#8221;.  Some, for example in the Thule Society, believed Hitler may have been that person.  &#8220;Creation is not finished. Man is clearly approaching a phase of metamorphosis. The earlier human species has already reached the stage of dying out.... All of the force of creation will be concentrated in a new species... [which] will surpass infinitely modern man.... Do you understand now the profound meaning of our National Socialist movement?&quot; (Adolf Hitler, quoted by Hermann Rauschning. &#8220;Hitler ma&#039;a dit [Hitler Speaks]&#8221; p.147, translated in &#8220;The Occult and the Third Reich&#8221;, Jean &amp; Michel Angebert, p.178.)* Alice A. Bailey, in her 1949 book &#8220;Esoteric Healing&#8221; wrote, among other things, &#8220;The Jews are the reincarnation of spiritual failures or residues from another planet... The Jew represents materialism, cruelty and a spiritual conservatism, under the domination of the separative, selfish mind, that from which all good [New Age] disciples want to emerge.&#8221;  It is not difficult to see why the Nazis and the Theosophists were in many ways ideologically compatible.* Is it reasonable, then, to assume that the shared sympathies of founding New Agers and the National Socialists of 1930s Germany,  may be the reason why New Age leader Neale Donald Walsch famously declared that &#8220;Hitler went to heaven&#8221;? (Conversations with God, Book 1, p.61)* One person who has publicly commended the New World Order, also known as the New Age, is George H. W. Bush, former U.S. Vice President and the current president&#039;s father.  Perhaps unsurprisingly, a cursory look in to the fortunes of the Bush family will reveal a dirty secret: that they made most of their money by wheeling and dealing with Nazi Germany; up until 1942 when Prescott Bush&#039;s company&#039;s assets were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act.  Today they welcome the New Age&#039;s call for a world government under an occult religion.  Could it be they are simply rooting for the continuation and completion of that which was begun by Hitler?  These are serious questions.


Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep&#039;s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:15

3. Separation Doctrine: Holocaust revisited?

* Not everyone is going to agree to a world government.  Not everyone will accept the idea that we humans are &#8220;gods&#8221; and that, far from there being sin, there is no real right or wrong (except, perhaps, believing oneself to be &#8220;separate&#8221;).  So what is to be done with those that resist the &#8220;New Age&#8221; and refuse to worship its so-called messiah?  These people are to be labelled &#8220;fearful&#8221;, &#8220;self-centred&#8221; and under the illusion of &#8220;separateness&#8221;.  This is where the selection process comes in.  Those that refuse to go willingly in to the New Age or New World Order will be &#8220;driven from the earth&#8221;.  How, is not specified.  As Neale Donald Walsch claims to have been told by &#8220;God&#8221;, &#8220;The species known as self-centred humanity will become extinct.  The species known as whole-centred humanity will evolve.&#8221;  Is it possible that the extinction of &#8220;self centred humanity&#8221; will be similar to the attempted, forced extinction of the Jews, who Alice Bailey claimed were dominated by separatism and selfishness?  After all, Walsch&#039;s &#8220;God&#8221; didn&#039;t seem to think the Holocaust was such a bad thing.  In his own words:  &#8220;So the first thing you have to understand – as I&#039;ve already explained to you – is that Hitler didn&#039;t hurt anyone.  In a sense, he didn&#039;t inflict suffering, he ended it.&#8221; Maitreya is quoted as saying &#8220;&#8220;My Teaching is, as ever, simple indeed.  Men must share or die.&#8221; (Messages from Maitreya the Christ p.272)


4. New Age, New World Order – Common Themes.

Do some research.  Put the words &#8220;Hitler&#8221; &amp; &#8220;New Age&#8221; or &#8220;Theosophy&#8221; &amp; &#8220;Satanism&#8221; in to any key word Internet searcher and do some reading.  By researching the ties that link the occult ideas of Nazism and past and present New Age theory, a disturbing picture begins to emerge.  The majority of today&#039;s New Agers are no doubt well-meaning people, who truly do want to see the world change for the better.  But what they may not know is at the heart of this seemingly benign movement lies some terrible secrets.

In a pamphlet by Share International, a copy of which was handed to this writer recently at the Newtown fair, it was claimed (of Maitreya) &#8220;Every eye shall see him&#8221;. This is a direct quote from the Bible (Revelation 1:7), speaking about the return of Jesus. (But, in the pamphlet, it is not quoted as such).  Well, you&#039;ll have a hard time convincing this writer, and many others, that Jesus would need to use the television to communicate to us when He comes back.  That is the message of this biblical passage – every eye shall see Him, coming on the clouds.  It would be odd if He couldn&#039;t achieve this without our technology, would it not?

Vital questions: Why should we go along with a world order, headed by Maitreya, when we can see that the same thinking was used by the murderous Nazis?  Why should we trust this Maitreya, a spiritual teacher who uses the television as a conduit?  I refuse to agree to a system of global government in which those that do not &#8220;get with the program&#8221; and accept an occult &#8220;messiah&#8221; are &#8220;driven from the earth&#8221;.

Get informed.  The New Age is a trap.  The fate of your very soul may be at stake!


Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

Ephesians 5:11


BEWARE THE NEW AGE!

More information/feedback/questions:

beware.the.new.age@gmail.com

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.</p>
<p>Matthew 24: 4-5</p>
<p>Did you know?</p>
<p>1. Theosophy-Satanist Connections.</p>
<p>* Madame Blavatsky, co-founder of the Theosophical Society, the earliest New Age organisation, also founded &ldquo;Lucifer Magazine&rdquo; in 1887.  Years later, they changed the name to The Theosophical Review.  Alice A. Bailey, another Theosophist, founded the Lucifer Publishing Company in 1922, which was later renamed the Lucis Trust.</p>
<p>* Blavatsky was clearly enamoured with the Devil.  &ldquo;It is but natural…to view Satan, the Serpent of Genesis, as the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind. For it is he who was the &#8216;Harbinger of Light,&#8217; bright radiant Lucifer, who opened the eyes of the automaton created by Jehovah.&rdquo; (The Secret Doctrine: The Synthesis of Science, Religion, and Philosophy, Vol. II — Anthropogenesis, p. 243.)* Benjamin Creme, of New Age outfit &#8216;Share International&#8217;, defended Lucifer from his negative reputation.  At his Share International website, he wrote &ldquo;Lucifer is the name of a great Angel &#8230; the angel who ensouls the human kingdom; every person, therefore, is a fragment of Lucifer.&rdquo;  Every person is a fragment of Lucifer?  But, as you say, we are all God, right? Hang on, just who is your God, Benjamin Creme?</p>
<p>2. New Age-Nazism Connections</p>
<p>* Blavatsky believed that certain races, for example, the Aryan race, were destined to achieve self-redemption; while others, such as the &ldquo;Veddhas of Ceylon, and some African tribes&rdquo;, &ldquo;happily&rdquo;, were dying out.  Essentially she believed in the superiority and inferiority of certain races in a manner not dissimilar to the doctrine of the Nazis.  Indeed, Hitler was fascinated by Blavatsky&#8217;s work; it is said he kept a copy of &ldquo;The Secret Doctrine&rdquo; by his bedside. (See &ldquo;Adolf Hitler, The Occult Messiah&rdquo;, by Gerald Suster).</p>
<p>* Hitler and the Nazis were very much involved in occult, New Age teachings.  In fact, they believed they were ushering in the &ldquo;new world order&rdquo; in which humanity would evolve collectively to a higher state of consciousness; &ldquo;god consciousness&rdquo;.  They, also, were waiting for the foretold appearance of the &ldquo;Lord Maitreya&rdquo;.  Some, for example in the Thule Society, believed Hitler may have been that person.  &ldquo;Creation is not finished. Man is clearly approaching a phase of metamorphosis. The earlier human species has already reached the stage of dying out&#8230;. All of the force of creation will be concentrated in a new species&#8230; [which] will surpass infinitely modern man&#8230;. Do you understand now the profound meaning of our National Socialist movement?&#8221; (Adolf Hitler, quoted by Hermann Rauschning. &ldquo;Hitler ma&#8217;a dit [Hitler Speaks]&rdquo; p.147, translated in &ldquo;The Occult and the Third Reich&rdquo;, Jean &amp; Michel Angebert, p.178.)* Alice A. Bailey, in her 1949 book &ldquo;Esoteric Healing&rdquo; wrote, among other things, &ldquo;The Jews are the reincarnation of spiritual failures or residues from another planet&#8230; The Jew represents materialism, cruelty and a spiritual conservatism, under the domination of the separative, selfish mind, that from which all good [New Age] disciples want to emerge.&rdquo;  It is not difficult to see why the Nazis and the Theosophists were in many ways ideologically compatible.* Is it reasonable, then, to assume that the shared sympathies of founding New Agers and the National Socialists of 1930s Germany,  may be the reason why New Age leader Neale Donald Walsch famously declared that &ldquo;Hitler went to heaven&rdquo;? (Conversations with God, Book 1, p.61)* One person who has publicly commended the New World Order, also known as the New Age, is George H. W. Bush, former U.S. Vice President and the current president&#8217;s father.  Perhaps unsurprisingly, a cursory look in to the fortunes of the Bush family will reveal a dirty secret: that they made most of their money by wheeling and dealing with Nazi Germany; up until 1942 when Prescott Bush&#8217;s company&#8217;s assets were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act.  Today they welcome the New Age&#8217;s call for a world government under an occult religion.  Could it be they are simply rooting for the continuation and completion of that which was begun by Hitler?  These are serious questions.</p>
<p>Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep&#8217;s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.</p>
<p>Matthew 7:15</p>
<p>3. Separation Doctrine: Holocaust revisited?</p>
<p>* Not everyone is going to agree to a world government.  Not everyone will accept the idea that we humans are &ldquo;gods&rdquo; and that, far from there being sin, there is no real right or wrong (except, perhaps, believing oneself to be &ldquo;separate&rdquo;).  So what is to be done with those that resist the &ldquo;New Age&rdquo; and refuse to worship its so-called messiah?  These people are to be labelled &ldquo;fearful&rdquo;, &ldquo;self-centred&rdquo; and under the illusion of &ldquo;separateness&rdquo;.  This is where the selection process comes in.  Those that refuse to go willingly in to the New Age or New World Order will be &ldquo;driven from the earth&rdquo;.  How, is not specified.  As Neale Donald Walsch claims to have been told by &ldquo;God&rdquo;, &ldquo;The species known as self-centred humanity will become extinct.  The species known as whole-centred humanity will evolve.&rdquo;  Is it possible that the extinction of &ldquo;self centred humanity&rdquo; will be similar to the attempted, forced extinction of the Jews, who Alice Bailey claimed were dominated by separatism and selfishness?  After all, Walsch&#8217;s &ldquo;God&rdquo; didn&#8217;t seem to think the Holocaust was such a bad thing.  In his own words:  &ldquo;So the first thing you have to understand – as I&#8217;ve already explained to you – is that Hitler didn&#8217;t hurt anyone.  In a sense, he didn&#8217;t inflict suffering, he ended it.&rdquo; Maitreya is quoted as saying &ldquo;&ldquo;My Teaching is, as ever, simple indeed.  Men must share or die.&rdquo; (Messages from Maitreya the Christ p.272)</p>
<p>4. New Age, New World Order – Common Themes.</p>
<p>Do some research.  Put the words &ldquo;Hitler&rdquo; &amp; &ldquo;New Age&rdquo; or &ldquo;Theosophy&rdquo; &amp; &ldquo;Satanism&rdquo; in to any key word Internet searcher and do some reading.  By researching the ties that link the occult ideas of Nazism and past and present New Age theory, a disturbing picture begins to emerge.  The majority of today&#8217;s New Agers are no doubt well-meaning people, who truly do want to see the world change for the better.  But what they may not know is at the heart of this seemingly benign movement lies some terrible secrets.</p>
<p>In a pamphlet by Share International, a copy of which was handed to this writer recently at the Newtown fair, it was claimed (of Maitreya) &ldquo;Every eye shall see him&rdquo;. This is a direct quote from the Bible (Revelation 1:7), speaking about the return of Jesus. (But, in the pamphlet, it is not quoted as such).  Well, you&#8217;ll have a hard time convincing this writer, and many others, that Jesus would need to use the television to communicate to us when He comes back.  That is the message of this biblical passage – every eye shall see Him, coming on the clouds.  It would be odd if He couldn&#8217;t achieve this without our technology, would it not?</p>
<p>Vital questions: Why should we go along with a world order, headed by Maitreya, when we can see that the same thinking was used by the murderous Nazis?  Why should we trust this Maitreya, a spiritual teacher who uses the television as a conduit?  I refuse to agree to a system of global government in which those that do not &ldquo;get with the program&rdquo; and accept an occult &ldquo;messiah&rdquo; are &ldquo;driven from the earth&rdquo;.</p>
<p>Get informed.  The New Age is a trap.  The fate of your very soul may be at stake!</p>
<p>Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.</p>
<p>Ephesians 5:11</p>
<p>BEWARE THE NEW AGE!</p>
<p>More information/feedback/questions:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:beware.the.new.age@gmail.com">beware.the.new.age@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253873</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh C&#039;mon now people!  It is some rocks that imitates something that was done way back when! Mayhaps we are reading to much into this?  The last I heard this art project is not a product of a dog killer,  they are just replicating an ancient form of monolithic statuary. Heck if  they want to do this with their own money... Kudos to them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh C&#8217;mon now people!  It is some rocks that imitates something that was done way back when! Mayhaps we are reading to much into this?  The last I heard this art project is not a product of a dog killer,  they are just replicating an ancient form of monolithic statuary. Heck if  they want to do this with their own money&#8230; Kudos to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253872</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We really ought to grab this work when we can and be grateful it was offered. Most major artists wouldn&#039;t risk having their work accidentally sold for scrap!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We really ought to grab this work when we can and be grateful it was offered. Most major artists wouldn&#8217;t risk having their work accidentally sold for scrap!</p>
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		<title>By: Econ101</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253871</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>daliI did not make the comment you quoted.
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		<title>By: littlejohn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253870</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RD--

You make good points. Especailly about the days off.  Is that a religious observation?  Maybe. Yah,I used it as an example because you happened to mention it, that&#039;s all. I do not care what a person choses to worship, his business.And I do remember May baskets, and Maypoles, and many other things that used to be celebrated. I remember Halloween as a fun child&#039;s Holiday, instead of an argument  Anything can be coopted. I think we need to take all this ban this, ban that, crap with a grain of salt. Somebody wants to put up a cross, fine, a Menorah, fine, a whatever, fine. Private funds can be spent however.Put alternative ideas in a park, I have no problem. As a Christian, I don&#039;t want state sponsored prayer in schools, evenif I grew up with it and it didn&#039;t hurt anybody,Because you cannot then decide which prayers you will allow, and which you will not.We need a little common sense now and then it seems to me
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<p>You make good points. Especailly about the days off.  Is that a religious observation?  Maybe. Yah,I used it as an example because you happened to mention it, that&#8217;s all. I do not care what a person choses to worship, his business.And I do remember May baskets, and Maypoles, and many other things that used to be celebrated. I remember Halloween as a fun child&#8217;s Holiday, instead of an argument  Anything can be coopted. I think we need to take all this ban this, ban that, crap with a grain of salt. Somebody wants to put up a cross, fine, a Menorah, fine, a whatever, fine. Private funds can be spent however.Put alternative ideas in a park, I have no problem. As a Christian, I don&#8217;t want state sponsored prayer in schools, evenif I grew up with it and it didn&#8217;t hurt anybody,Because you cannot then decide which prayers you will allow, and which you will not.We need a little common sense now and then it seems to me</p>
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		<title>By: dali</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253869</link>
		<dc:creator>dali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Econ101 wrote &quot;It&#039;s public land. Public money would be used in upkeep. Public money would be used scrubbing off the grafitti. The &quot;artist&quot; doesn&#039;t even have the money to do it yet.&quot;

Public money is already used to upkeep the land.  Only a mower and an edger should be required.

As for the graffiti,  any built structure runs the risk of being graffitied.  Should we not construct any art pieces at all because of the &quot;chance&quot; it might be painted or damaged?  Who benefits from that?  Not the community.  Using that logic, we should arrest people before they commit the crime.

&quot;limited parkland&quot; - Have you been to Sedgwick County Park?  That place is huge.
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<p>Public money is already used to upkeep the land.  Only a mower and an edger should be required.</p>
<p>As for the graffiti,  any built structure runs the risk of being graffitied.  Should we not construct any art pieces at all because of the &#8220;chance&#8221; it might be painted or damaged?  Who benefits from that?  Not the community.  Using that logic, we should arrest people before they commit the crime.</p>
<p>&#8220;limited parkland&#8221; &#8211; Have you been to Sedgwick County Park?  That place is huge.</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253868</link>
		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Easter, y&#039;all do know that the date of Easter is chosen by the moon, right?

First Sunday after the first full moon following the Spring Equinox.

How pagan is that?

(sarcasm alert, tongue firmly planted in cheek)So here&#039;s a thought.  For those who are against the &quot;paganistic&quot; Solar Field, they must dump all pagan related holidays and practices currently used.  No Christmas trees or holly or pretty much anything, no Easter eggs or bunnies, etc., etc., etc..  Oh, and no crosses, either.  Even those have pagan roots.(sarcasm off, tongue back in place)

Have a wonderful, beautiful day, everyone!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Easter, y&#8217;all do know that the date of Easter is chosen by the moon, right?</p>
<p>First Sunday after the first full moon following the Spring Equinox.</p>
<p>How pagan is that?</p>
<p>(sarcasm alert, tongue firmly planted in cheek)So here&#8217;s a thought.  For those who are against the &#8220;paganistic&#8221; Solar Field, they must dump all pagan related holidays and practices currently used.  No Christmas trees or holly or pretty much anything, no Easter eggs or bunnies, etc., etc., etc..  Oh, and no crosses, either.  Even those have pagan roots.(sarcasm off, tongue back in place)</p>
<p>Have a wonderful, beautiful day, everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253867</link>
		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to play Devil&#039;s Advocate here...

&quot;...I would not think state supported celebration of Beltane would be appropriate...&quot;

Why not, littlejohn?  And where did you pull that one from?  Just because I mentioned it?  The celebration I mentioned wasn&#039;t State supported.  It was a group of people who got together in a City park to enjoy the weather and thank whatever deity for the seasons we all enjoy.  No big deal.  But we do have State support for Christian holidays, and that&#039;s okay, right?

(D/A off)

Obviously you aren&#039;t old enough to remember making May Day baskets to hang on the doorknobs of your neighbors&#039; homes.  I do and thought it was a blast.  But, alas, another pagan custom.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to play Devil&#8217;s Advocate here&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I would not think state supported celebration of Beltane would be appropriate&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Why not, littlejohn?  And where did you pull that one from?  Just because I mentioned it?  The celebration I mentioned wasn&#8217;t State supported.  It was a group of people who got together in a City park to enjoy the weather and thank whatever deity for the seasons we all enjoy.  No big deal.  But we do have State support for Christian holidays, and that&#8217;s okay, right?</p>
<p>(D/A off)</p>
<p>Obviously you aren&#8217;t old enough to remember making May Day baskets to hang on the doorknobs of your neighbors&#8217; homes.  I do and thought it was a blast.  But, alas, another pagan custom.</p>
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		<title>By: AFN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253866</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay Writerdog and Wiseman, you put that way better than I ever could but I completely agree!
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253865</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Econ, Good work.The Christmas tree originated as a Pagan symbol of life.  The rabbit, was incorporated as a symbol of Easter by way of Pagan fertility festivals.

My point?  Lots of things come from lots of places.  Those against the proposed artwork on grounds that it is somehow &#039;Pagan&#039; need to keep silent until they examine and think critically about other things in our culture.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Econ, Good work.The Christmas tree originated as a Pagan symbol of life.  The rabbit, was incorporated as a symbol of Easter by way of Pagan fertility festivals.</p>
<p>My point?  Lots of things come from lots of places.  Those against the proposed artwork on grounds that it is somehow &#8216;Pagan&#8217; need to keep silent until they examine and think critically about other things in our culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Econ101</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253864</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrianThe Christmas Tree was, at first, a pagan symbol, wisely incorporated into Christian custom.The Christmas Tree, in Christian terms, is seen as life. Green in the winter. Hope.

The Easter bunny? Well, not to offend, but what are rabbits known for?Spring, new life.Baby rabbits!

Well, that and Elmer Fud!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianThe Christmas Tree was, at first, a pagan symbol, wisely incorporated into Christian custom.The Christmas Tree, in Christian terms, is seen as life. Green in the winter. Hope.</p>
<p>The Easter bunny? Well, not to offend, but what are rabbits known for?Spring, new life.Baby rabbits!</p>
<p>Well, that and Elmer Fud!</p>
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		<title>By: littlejohn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253863</link>
		<dc:creator>littlejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Christian, I am somtimes galled at how far some choose to go to remove &quot;religion&quot; from the public. Same here. First of all, although I would not think state supported celebration of Beltane would be appropriate, this artwork does not rise to the level of state supported religion. This is much ado about nothing, in my opinion.  It&#039;s art, folks. No matter the &quot;possible&quot; symbolism, it&#039;s just art
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Christian, I am somtimes galled at how far some choose to go to remove &#8220;religion&#8221; from the public. Same here. First of all, although I would not think state supported celebration of Beltane would be appropriate, this artwork does not rise to the level of state supported religion. This is much ado about nothing, in my opinion.  It&#8217;s art, folks. No matter the &#8220;possible&#8221; symbolism, it&#8217;s just art</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253862</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know what Christmas trees and the Easter bunny represent and their origins?

(Hint: think Pagan)
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<p>(Hint: think Pagan)</p>
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		<title>By: kansassam</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253861</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO this is about as religious as Christmas trees and the Easter bunny. I do though, think that graffiti will be a BIG problem. Any religious symbolism in someone&#039;s mind will soon be overcome by gang symbolism.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO this is about as religious as Christmas trees and the Easter bunny. I do though, think that graffiti will be a BIG problem. Any religious symbolism in someone&#8217;s mind will soon be overcome by gang symbolism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253860</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,If you visited Stonehenge and are no different for the experience, you seem to have wasted your money.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,If you visited Stonehenge and are no different for the experience, you seem to have wasted your money.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253859</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just visited Stonehenge and am no different than before. Don&#039;t get excited.
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		<title>By: Republican</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253858</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, every tree or pole/structure that is in direct sunlight is a sundial.

You just have to establish magnetic north with a compass, then mark off 15 degree values for each hour...  One can even mark off minutes every 1 degree which equals 4 minutes.

Instant sundial...

Good project for kids in a Park. :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, every tree or pole/structure that is in direct sunlight is a sundial.</p>
<p>You just have to establish magnetic north with a compass, then mark off 15 degree values for each hour&#8230;  One can even mark off minutes every 1 degree which equals 4 minutes.</p>
<p>Instant sundial&#8230;</p>
<p>Good project for kids in a Park. :)</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253857</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did it occur to anyone that there&#039;s a sundial on the wall of East Kellogg? *gasp*
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		<title>By: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253856</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the sundial, it&#039;s on channel 7 with an explanation from the artist about his creation. It&#039;s pretty cool.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the sundial, it&#8217;s on channel 7 with an explanation from the artist about his creation. It&#8217;s pretty cool.</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253855</link>
		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to those who posted the links to Rev. Younger&#039;s very illuminating (for many) sermon.  He seemed a tad angry--nothing wrong with that--but he did an excellent job of trying to banish the lies about Paganism.  More people, no matter what their religious or spiritual belief, should see this.

Writerdog, I believe there is currently a sundial in Riverside Park.  There have been gatherings held there in the past.  May Day/Beltane was celebrated there last year, IIRC.  But don&#039;t quote me on that. *wink*  My memory isn&#039;t all that good.

As the good Reverand said, it doesn&#039;t hurt to learn and begin to understand about other religions.  Because we don&#039;t even know if Stonehenge WAS a religious monument/monolith, what&#039;s the harm in bringing a bit of history to the plains of Kansas?  Maybe it will lead to study by some people, who might not otherwise.  Better to be knowledgable than to live in the dark.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to those who posted the links to Rev. Younger&#8217;s very illuminating (for many) sermon.  He seemed a tad angry&#8211;nothing wrong with that&#8211;but he did an excellent job of trying to banish the lies about Paganism.  More people, no matter what their religious or spiritual belief, should see this.</p>
<p>Writerdog, I believe there is currently a sundial in Riverside Park.  There have been gatherings held there in the past.  May Day/Beltane was celebrated there last year, IIRC.  But don&#8217;t quote me on that. *wink*  My memory isn&#8217;t all that good.</p>
<p>As the good Reverand said, it doesn&#8217;t hurt to learn and begin to understand about other religions.  Because we don&#8217;t even know if Stonehenge WAS a religious monument/monolith, what&#8217;s the harm in bringing a bit of history to the plains of Kansas?  Maybe it will lead to study by some people, who might not otherwise.  Better to be knowledgable than to live in the dark.</p>
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		<title>By: Econ101</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253854</link>
		<dc:creator>Econ101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another Kansas town with stone like structure that looks like stonehinge and I cant remember where I saw it.

Anyway, if this artist has done similar work in the past, if this is something that the majority of the park going public would enjoy, what is the harm?

For my friends on the &quot;right&quot; --- rather than saying &quot;We cant put up a cross or manger so you cant put up a replica of an ancient structure&quot; --- NO NO NO.Instead, make the case that this exhibit does have some religious significance but that it also has scientific and historical value.Then, bring up those same points when defending Christian artwork on public grounds.Just because your opponents are intolerant tyrants, at times, does not give you leave to behave in the same manor.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another Kansas town with stone like structure that looks like stonehinge and I cant remember where I saw it.</p>
<p>Anyway, if this artist has done similar work in the past, if this is something that the majority of the park going public would enjoy, what is the harm?</p>
<p>For my friends on the &#8220;right&#8221; &#8212; rather than saying &#8220;We cant put up a cross or manger so you cant put up a replica of an ancient structure&#8221; &#8212; NO NO NO.Instead, make the case that this exhibit does have some religious significance but that it also has scientific and historical value.Then, bring up those same points when defending Christian artwork on public grounds.Just because your opponents are intolerant tyrants, at times, does not give you leave to behave in the same manor.</p>
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		<title>By: snarky</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253853</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***Well first this is a privately funded project, so there is no tax dollars involved.***

It&#039;s public land. Public money would be used in upkeep. Public money would be used scrubbing off the grafitti. The &quot;artist&quot; doesn&#039;t even have the money to do it yet.

He wants blanket permission to erect his own idea of &quot;art&quot; on our (limited) public parkland. Uh uh.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***Well first this is a privately funded project, so there is no tax dollars involved.***</p>
<p>It&#8217;s public land. Public money would be used in upkeep. Public money would be used scrubbing off the grafitti. The &#8220;artist&#8221; doesn&#8217;t even have the money to do it yet.</p>
<p>He wants blanket permission to erect his own idea of &#8220;art&#8221; on our (limited) public parkland. Uh uh.</p>
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		<title>By: Econ101</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253852</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the calendar info:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/s/stonehenge_and_the_sequani_calendar.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/s/stonehenge_and_the_sequani_calendar.html&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the calendar info:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/s/stonehenge_and_the_sequani_calendar.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/s/stonehenge_and_the_sequani_calendar.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Econ101</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253851</link>
		<dc:creator>Econ101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wiki doesnt even mention the calendar theories, but a good read anyway:&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wiki doesnt even mention the calendar theories, but a good read anyway:<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/solar_field_an_/#comment-253850</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an explanation of &quot;paganism&quot; by a Christian that&#039;s worth watching:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.care2.com/news/member/362617688/194989&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.care2.com/news/member/362617688/194989&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an explanation of &#8220;paganism&#8221; by a Christian that&#8217;s worth watching:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.care2.com/news/member/362617688/194989" rel="nofollow">http://www.care2.com/news/member/362617688/194989</a></p>
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