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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:04 a.m.
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Gov. Sebelius appoints one of Tiller’s Attorneys, Dan Monnat, to Kansas Sentencing Commission. Why?
The following was published online in the Kansas Register on Thursday, but where is the Sebelius press release explaining this appointment?—–http://www.kssos.org/pubs/register/2007/Vol_26_No_14_April_5_2007_p_435-464.pdf
Kansas Sentencing Commission
Thomas Drees, 2604 Donald Drive, Hays, 67601. Term expires June 30, 2007. Succeeds Paul J. Morrison.
Daniel E. Monnat, 1435 Lieunett, Wichita, 67203. Termexpires June 30, 2007. Succeeds Kathleen M. Lynch.—–
AP, 11/4/2006, Tiller to seek investigation of Kline, O’Reilly
Tiller’s attorneys, Pedro Irigonegaray, of Topeka, and Lee Thompson and Dan Monnat, of Wichita, issued a joint statement decrying the “national media event.”
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There was a Mar 21, 2007 Hays Daily News story about the Drees appointment, but Monnat was not mentioned (”Ellis County attorney to fill Morrison’s spot on sentencing panel”)
Why did Sebelius pick Monnat?
The Left Coast Haliburton – Senator Diane Feinstein -
In her annual Public Financial Disclosure Reports, Feinstein records a sizeable family income from large investments in Perini, which is based in Framingham, Mass., and in URS, headquartered in San Francisco. But she has not publicly acknowledged the conflict of interest between her job as a congressional appropriator and her husband’s longtime control of Perini and URS—and that omission has called her ethical standards into question, say the experts.
The URS link – tons of money -
Feinstein asked about the possibility of increasing funding for anti-terrorism-force protection at Army bases. The following year, on March 4, 2003, Feinstein asked why the anti-terrorism-force protection funds she had advocated for the year before had not yet been spent. On April 21, 2003, URS announced the award of a $600 million contract to provide, among other services, anti-terrorism-force protection for U.S. Army installations.
The Perini Link -
In mid-2005, MILCON approved a Pentagon proposal to fund “overhead coverage force protection” in Iraq that would reinforce the roofs of U.S. Army barracks to better withstand mortar rounds. On Oct. 13, 2005, Perini announced the award of a $185 million contract to provide overhead coverage force protection to the Army in Iraq.
What it means when your wife is a Senator and sits on a Committee that controls Military Financing -
In 2000, according to public records, Perini—which partly specializes in erecting casinos—earned a mere $7 million from federal contracts. Post-9/11, Perini transformed into a major defense contractor. In 2004, the company earned $444 million for military construction work in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as for improving airfields for the U.S. Air Force in Europe and building base infrastructures for the U.S. Navy around the globe. In a remarkable financial recovery, Perini shot from near penury in 1997 to logging gross revenues of $1.7 billion in 2005.
Wow! 7 million Dollar company to 1.7 billion in Five years!
oops source for above Senator Feinstein story ishttp://www.bohemian.com/metro/01.24.07/dianne-feinstein-0704.html
Good post, Republican.
The Dems are scrambling like rats to distance themselves from their very own Diane Feinstein, whom it appears has been using her position of influence to put some bucks in her pocket.
This reminds me more of Exxon than Haliburton.
lol
I agree, the military budget is bloated and corrupt. Military spending should be cut to half, perhaps down to $200 billion or $150 billion. Removing the military industrial complex would prohibit politicians from using their position to enrich campaign donors. Too bad Rethuglicans like Tiart still support no bid contracts that only serve to bloat the military budget.
Possible Ties to Kansas – The Feinstein Connection?
This is a little convoluted and maybe nothing…
Down in Cherokee County they are all oogling about a new Casino. The legislation requires the casino management company to invest at least $225 million in the project and to pay a $25 million deposit to the state.
An official with Penn National Gaming previouslysaid the hotel would have at least 500 rooms, havea Hollywood theme and be modeled on the company’s62,000-square-foot Argosy Riverside Casino nearKansas City, Mo. He said it would employ 1,700 people.
Are you with me so far…
Now, guess who built the Argosy Casino in Kansas City MO? How about PeriniCorp which owns Perini Builders which of course is ran by a Mr. Blum, Senator Feinstein’s husband.
What are the chances that Perini gets the contract for the Cherokee County Casino? Both are the biggest in their respective connections to Casinos.
Also, keep an eye on Goldman Sachs, the investment firm which has contributed to Feinstein’s campaign in the past. Their financial muscle which deals with both Penn and Perini, may turn out to be a bit flabby for both.
Perhaps there weren’t enough palms greased, I dunno. Kansans for Economic Growth is working with Penn National Gaming (cough) on the proposed hotel and casino in Cherokee County. It would be built about ahalf-mile from the Interstate 44 exit to Baxter Springs, between Baxter Springs and Galena. Galena businessmen Steve Vogel and Gary Hall own theproperty and are the backers of Kansans forEconomic Growth.
Hmmm, owners of the property and…well you figure it out. :)
Shallenburger said the owners of his employer, aBaxter Springs bank, support allowing southeastKansans to decide whether they want a casino andsee gaming as a way to fuel economic development. Former House Speaker TimShallenburger, who led the House from 1995 to1998, didn’t officially lobby the Legislature buthe did visit the Statehouse on several occasions.(wink wink)
Well, dats all I gots…how bouts uze? :D
Oddly the story of “But she has not publicly acknowledged the conflict of interest between her job as a congressional appropriator and her husband’s longtime control of Perini and URS” was briefly talked about on Cspan yesterday when a caller asked why Cspan was not jumping all over it? The host chuckled and told the caller that if there was anything to it they would have except it turns out to be nothing but a “ urban legend” that has taking on a life of its own and the Fox reporter Jennifer Griffin who was the guest agreed.
Like the rumor that Cheney is still receiving “Royalties” and profits from Halliburton.Even though it is said and proof given that he sold his stock and broken all ties to the company. Now he is still receiving a “stipend” that is based on the profits of Halliburton that under law he is not required to sever. In the grand scheme of thing is small compared to what he would receive if he was still a stock holder.
Such Urban legends only serve to divert the attention away from possible real wrong doings and make honest people look guilty. Like all legends, there maybe some basis in truth. But often that is where the truth ends, but with out legends where could we find heroes?
McCain back peddling fast as he can:McCain says he misspoke in upbeat Baghdad comments By Ellen WulfhorstFri Apr 6, 5:19 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) – U.S. Senator John McCain (news, bio, voting record) said in an interview to be broadcast on Sunday he misspoke in his recent upbeat comments about security in Baghdad, where he traveled under heavy military protection.
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The Arizona senator, who is seeking the Republican presidential nomination, maintains progress has been made in the U.S.-led war in Iraq, according to comments to be aired on CBS’ “60 Minutes.” Excerpts were released on Friday.
McCain said he regrets comments he made after a tour of Baghdad last Sunday, when he said he could see progress and the American people were not being told the “good news” about the war, according to excerpts of his comments and a press release provided by “60 Minutes.”
“Of course I am going to misspeak and I’ve done it on numerous occasions and I probably will do it in the future,” said McCain, according to “60 Minutes.”
The excerpted quotes provided by “60 Minutes” did not indicate which comments McCain thought were misspoken.
A strong supporter of President George W. Bush’s plan to send nearly 30,000 more troops into Iraq, McCain said last week after his tour: “I believe we have a new strategy that is making progress. That is not to say things are well everywhere in Iraq. Far from it, we have a long way to go.”
McCain had been upbeat about his drive from the Baghdad airport into the city and his visit to a market where multiple car bombings killed 71 people in February as signs of improved security.
“Never have I been able to drive from the airport, never have I been able to go out into the city like I did today. The American people are not getting the picture of all that is happening here. Things are better … but I am not saying mission accomplished,” he said at the time.”
After he spoke, Iraqi citizens, merchants and others said security had been stepped up for the choreographed visit.
Once seen as the Republican frontrunner for 2008, McCain has been overtaken by former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, in part because of his support for Bush’s unpopular Iraq war policy.
In fund-raising reports released this week, McCain raised about $12.5 million, well behind Republican Mitt Romney who raised more than $20 million in the first quarter and behind Giuliani, who raised more than $15 million.
McCain acknowledged in this “60 Minutes” interview that he had been accompanied by heavy security during his trip.
“I can understand why (the Army) would provide me with that security, but I can tell you that if it had been two months ago and I’d asked to do it, they would have said, ‘Under no circumstances whatsoever,”‘ he said.
“I view that as a sign of progress.”
McCain also acknowledged many Americans do not agree with his position on the war.
“I believe we can succeed and I believe that the consequences of failure are catastrophic,” he said.
“The Dems are scrambling like rats to distance themselves from their very own Diane Feinstein”
Oh really? I guess you have to be a conservative to see that. I notice there’s not much in the news about Feinstein. I guess this issue is being pushed out of the headlines by the continuing circus over at Justice.
I just want to say congratulations to the Kansas Equality Coalition and gays living in Lawrence, who recently got the go-ahead for the domestic partnership registry from Attorney General Morrison.
GS just a few days ago you were bitching that the dems were covering for Feinstein, now you’re criticising Dems for ‘distancing’.
Whatever! You’re just trying to beat the hell out of any drum you can find.
Meadowlark – I have known Dan Monnat for years. Dan is one of the finest, most ethical and well-trained attorneys in the Wichita area, and is an expert in criminal law. I think he is perfectly qualified to serve on the Sentencing Commission. We are fortunate that he is willing to take his valuable time to serve his state in this capacity.
“The US offered to take military action on behalf of the 15 British sailors and marines held by Iran, including buzzing Iranian Revolutionary Guard positions with warplanes, the Guardian has learned…
The British declined the offer and said the US could calm the situation by staying out of it…
The British government also asked the US administration from Mr Bush down to be cautious in its use of rhetoric, which was relatively restrained throughout…”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2051971,00.html
LOL, only Jedi Prez W, aka Commander Codpiece, could see buzzing the Iranians as “helpful.”
I am dyin’ laughin’ here, thinkin’ of how this went.
JEDI WARRIOR BUSH: Hell, Tony, if you won’t let us threaten to raze Tehran, then we could always just send a bunch of warplanes to fly around their bases, buzz the hell out of ‘em. Bound to scare ‘em shitless. Hell, they’ll be so stunned you can walk in and pluck your people right out. Shock and awe worked like frickin’ clockwork on Hussein, hell.
BLAIR: Thank you, Mr. President, but could you please take ratchet down the glitter on that massive codpiece, just temporarily? Until we’re free of this mess?
JEDI WARRIOR BUSH: Want me to send Karl over, stir up a little trouble with the ayatollahs? My people’d sure love a little bees’ nest stirrin’ right around Easter time. Eh?
BLAIR: (leaves room and pulls toddler gate closed) Thank you, Mr. President! Yours is a truly SPLENDID codpiece!
JEDI WARRIOR BUSH: Hey, I got a great banner saved in a closet in the Oval Office, “Mission Accomplished” in a big-ass, kick-ass font. You wanna borrow it? Tony?!?
That Bush is a bozo, but by god he’s OUR bozo!
LOL
I see in the news this morning that some ’scientists’ are upset over at the IPCC about the coming report. Seems the U.N. is revising the report and making unholy compromises.
Since when did government bureaucrats get to write ’scientific studies’? Answer: when they fund them. These farces are no different than the ‘cigarettes are good for you’ papers of the past.
The one world government types are merely trying to regulate themselves into existence. They do not care about whatever subject pertains to the regulations. Only the power those regulations give them.
Good point kelly. In a small state like Kansas it is almost impossible to find someone like an attorney who is not somehow connected to somebody else. That is what makes conflict screens so difficult.
Peter Byrne, the writer of the Feinstein hit piece, has a history of going after only democrats. He’s another in a long line of writers with political agendas. They will take nothing and attempt to make it into their next pulitizer. Students of rush can get their dose of RR propaganda any time they wish reading that tripe.
meadowfart seems to think anybody not approved by him is not qualified for any position. Run for office and make that difference, dude. Maybe you and the fallen RR can run on the same ticket; save a few bucks.
Having just read some of the posts from last night in the “Open Thread,” I wonder why the Wichita Eagle continues to host this blog. It reads like a fourth-grade playground taunt session.
It reflects badly on the Eagle, and on Wichita, too, for that matter.
Good point anon. I noticed that Mary tried to inject some adult comment but to no avail.
You will notice who the last poster on that board was…it wasn’t WS.
And I do find it strange that this newbie Khan says he hasn’t posted under other names, but he can remember stuff from before I was even posting here.
Hmm.
Thanks to a private citizen, a couple of senators, one dem one rep, Military personnel who lose their life in combat will be brought home in a dignified manner from now on. No more cargo compartments, thank God.
For an excellent illustration of bias in the mainstream media-
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/017274.php
I saw that too JM; good to see that Bush is being forced to treat them as more than freight.
Gray has become a poster boy for the denial group in climatology. Unfortunately, he has not been involved in current research:
“One of Gray’s apparent targets, Georgia Tech researcher Judith Curry, responded that she and her colleagues have published their findings in leading journals such as Science and Nature. In contrast, she wrote via e-mail, “I have not seen any refereed publications written by Bill Gray on this topic during the last few years.
“Research scientists conduct their exchange of ideas in the peer reviewed literature and at professional conferences, not through the media,” Curry wrote.
Another researcher, Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, wrote: “I am sorry to hear that Bill is still making below-the-belt comments.”
Greg Holland, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado, said he also hasn’t received any grants for his work in the hurricanes-climate field.
The ruckus “just simply states that Bill doesn’t have the scientific arguments, so he has to resort to personal attacks,” said Holland, a former student of Gray’s.
All three researchers published papers in 2005 concluding that tropical cyclones around the world had shown major surges in strength since the 1970s, at the same time that ocean temperatures were rising. Another of Gray’s former students, National Hurricane Center researcher Chris Landsea, later co-wrote an article with other scientists questioning the reliability of the historical data they were using.
While that back-and-forth played out in dignified journal articles, the public debate has gotten nasty. Curry once accused Gray of suffering from “brain fossilization,” according to The Wall Street Journal, while Gray told The Washington Post that Al Gore is as fanatical as Hitler. The former vice president has long warned that pollution is causing global warming.
Gray is best known for his predictions of hurricane seasons, a field he pioneered in the early 1980s. But lately he uses his time to discuss his belief that global warming is a “hoax.”"
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=648&tstamp=200704
Ben
There are plenty of respected scientists who disagree that Global Cooling/Warming/Change is occuring and or being caused by man.
But if you disagree with the groupthink be prepared for the McCarthy treatment. And don’t expect any govt. funding to prove your point.
Ben
And it should be noted that the estimable Ben Huie did not address the issue at hand, he simply engaged in the groupthink McCarthy treatment.
OMG, POWERLINE? heheheheh
Yes, please go read that link. Get a real picture of where these wingnuts get their talking points.
hehehehehehe. I think it sounds like a pot calling the kettle blacke for POWERLINE to be whining about biased media.
Jesus wept.
KFG
Very enlightening commentary as always.
I guess when you can’t make an insightfull arguement you can always sling some shit.
Yeah, I read last night’s open thread too.
Fleetie sure is upset that the libs are back to point out right wing lies.
Poor wingnuts. They were having SO MUCH FUN lying with impunity, twisting the facts, quoting wingnut websites, and reading what was posted on the WV and then running back here to REPOST it.
Of course the discussion was “calm” heheheheh. They all agreed with each other. But let the boycotters inject some FACTS and TRUTH to balance out their “truthiness” hehehehe, and they start whining like little girls. (sorry to little girls)
Heheheheheh. Sorry. Your two weeks of all lies and all abortion all the time are over. NOW you have to start dealing with intelligent posters who have facts to counter your bs.
:( yep. hehehehehehe. Had you not continued to post ever more lies, we might have stayed away indefinately.
But thanks to the wingnuts for proving all their crying about civility was REALLY about them getting their fact challenged butt’s kicked.
heheheheeheheheheheheheheheehehehhe
Heckler – actually there are very few. It is just that they get a tremendous platform. I htink it was Science magazine that did a survey of articles and found virtually none in the technical literature on your side but about 50-50 in the “mainstream media”
“In summary, there is an overwhelming level of scientific consensus on human-caused climate change. Those who defend the contrary view are fond of pointing out that we shouldn’t stifle their opposing point of view, since heroes like Galileo with his sun-centered solar system view and Wegener with his continental drift theory both challenged the overwhelming scientific consensus of their day and were proved to be correct. That is true. However, Galileo and Wegener did not have the public relations staff of multi-billion dollar companies helping them promote their contrary views. I’m not too worried about the contrarian view of human-caused climate change being stifled, and would like to see the media stop quoting the contary views of such think tanks as the Competitive Enterprise Institute, George C. Marshall foundation, and scientists such as S. Fred Singer of the SEPP. Getting one’s climate science information from these sources it similar to getting one’s news from a tabloid newspaper. Sure, some of the stories are true, but a lot of the material is of questionable quality, to say the least. The media should focus on getting their scientific information from leading climate scientists who regularly publish in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. The best easily available source of this infomation is from realclimate.org, a web site maintained by some of the world’s foremost climate scientists.
Dr. Jeff Masters, Chief Meteorologist for The Weather Underground
http://www.wunderground.com/education/928.asp
Uh, heckie, thanks for proving my point. All that whining is about us not swallowing the lies and koolaide without question.
You used one of the most biased sources on the internet to illustrate the bias of the MSM?
heheheheheheheh. Is that insightful enough for you? The TOPIC you posted on was sources, for crying out loud.
Dont whine when I address your topic by pointing out your biased use of a biased source to make a biased claim that the MSM is biased against bias….
woof. Consevative “logic”…..
Ben
Tremendous platform?? Be serious! They lose funding and get the same treatment you just heaped on Bill Gray.
KFG
So far all you’ve done is sling shit. Try making a counter arguement.
Bias? of course they’re biased, it’s a blog, it’s commentary. WTF. Try addressing their argements though. You can’t seem to do that can you.
Actually, Heckler, the administration has threatened scientists who speak out; not the deniers. I can’t cut anyone’s funding.
Well ya know Ben, if you cant win on the facts, you just have to shut down the ability to SPEAK the facts, at least according to the reich wingnuts “selling” the controversy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×592660
Hee hee hee hee. And the best part is that heckie wont go to DU. Part of being fact challenged I guess…
Uh, and the “shit” I am slinging is not agreeing with you? Hell, I ENCOURAGED folks to read your link. Did you think no one would?
“hehehehehehe. I think it sounds like a pot calling the kettle blacke for POWERLINE to be whining about biased media.”
You call THAT shit slinging? And when you make sources the topic of discussion, I think the veracity of sources is VERY much the topic.
Hypocrisy, thy name is…
KFG
What about Roy Spencer. When he worked at NASA during the Clinton/Gore admin he was pressured to toe the admin’s line. He disagreed with it but he kept his mouth shut untill he was no longer on the NASA payroll.
OK Ben, no regurgitate a list of people assailing Spencers character and credentials. CUE.
And KFG you still dance around my point, as does Ben. I guess if you can’t address a good arguement you just have to change the subject.
“Washington, DC — Federal climate, weather and marine scientists will be subject to new restrictions as to what they can say to the media or in public, according to agency documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). Under rules posted last week, these federal scientists must obtain agency pre-approval to speak or write, whether on or off-duty, concerning any scientific topic deemed “of official interest.””
So you see, Heckler, it is the scientists who are being gagged by Bush; not Gray being gagged by us fellow scientists.
KFG
They don’t pretend to be an objective news organization. They are commentators. Address their arguement.
Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility. Sounds very objective to me.
I highlight a Powerline post addressing bias exhibited by the AP.
Ben and KFG respond with 10 posts doing everything BUT addressing the arguement in that post.
Pretty typical of debate around this shitty little Blog.
Evidently, it’s Heckler’s turn to be the Last Angry Man.
Good grief heckie, why dont you just give it up? Is this going to be like the time I posted facts to dispel 50 lies told by the swiftboaters, and you just denied every one as being from “biased sources”.
I DID address your goddamn topic. Your topic is bias, using a biased source to bitch about bias on the other side. Pot calling kettle black and all.
So I posted a link from “commentators” on the other side. I could easily say you are not addressing THAT comment and topic.
Good grief Heck. Here is what your link said.
“The Associated Press, like nearly all mainstream media outlets, runs interference for the global warming hysterics by misrepresenting the nature of the debate, misrepresenting the positions of those who oppose the hysteria, and subtly (or perhaps not so subtly) suggesting that all who question the anthropogenic global warming theorists can safely be dismissed as cranks.”
So I could just as easily say:
“POWERLINE Press, like nearly all RIGHT WING media outlets, runs interference for the global warming DENIERS by misrepresenting the nature of the debate, misrepresenting the positions of those who oppose the DENIERS, and subtly (or perhaps not so subtly) suggesting that all who question the EVIDENCE OF global warming theorists can safely be dismissed as cranks.”
See how easy that is? YOUR source is full of bias when it claims bias on the other side.
WTF part of that is so hard to understand?
Or did I really hit the nail on the head when I said all yer whining is really because thinking people dont agree with you and yours?
Yes indeedy heckie. This little hissy fit you are throwing when confronted with fact and disagreement IS what is wrong with this “shitty little blog”.
Now just WHICH one of us is not willing to address the subject?
HOW are my posts NOT addressing the subject?
The biggest problem with Hinderaker’s post is that his own polemics limit it severely. It’s a mess of logic, conflating global warming with human contribution to global warming to human contribution to increased hurricane activity in order to torture the reader into arriving at Hinderaker’s points. One (and I’m being generous here), we need cautious cost/benefit analysis before we launch American programs to limit citizen contributions to global warming, and two, the MSM is biased.
Hinderaker’s piece is a mess logically. It’s just more Powerlineblog polemics. >shrug<
Just an observation, but discounting sources other than those that agree with you is well, common. Everyone does it. Including Ms Democrat Underground. I wonder who that is?
Anyway Ms. DU frequently posts DU links and then ridicules posting Powerline blog? People are funny in their lack of self awareness, aren’t they?
Of course there is a difference between ridiculing sources and ridiculous sources.
If you’re in a fix and need a source to keep you from a funk
No need to do the research, just call on Maggot Punks.
BR549
“Evidently, it’s Heckler’s turn to be the Last Angry Man.”
hehehehehehheheheeh. GOOD one CF2K!
I saw that fleetie and republican were holding down THAT position last night on the open thread. When confronted with facts that prove them wrong, they just go into attack and deny mode.
When it was all wingut all the time here, it was a nice peaceful blog because everyone drank the same kookaide and agreed on everything.
Now that folks disagree with the thirty percenters, and use FACTS to back it up, the cons here promote truthiness over truth, make the truth relative, and it is now a “shitty little blog”.
The Last Angry CON indeed. It isnt always men. I think little miss hissy fit and her little dog germie are JUST as angry and determined to always have the last word as republican, fleetie, heckie, oh hell, the list is long…
I countered a powerline link with a DU link. If you whine about DU, why cant I whine about powerline.
Pot, meet kettle, which was the point of all this, no matter HOW outie and heckie try to spin it.
KFG
Is it your arguement that the arguement made by Hinderacker, that the AP is carrying water for the Global Warming alarmists, is incorrect? Why?
Pedant
Your arguement is a mess logically as well.
Heckler,
“What about Roy Spencer.”
He admitted he made a mistake re the satellite data — and writes for Heartland.’Roy Spencer, Interfaith Science Advisor’http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1397
Inhofe vs Gore,http://www.desmogblog.com/james-inhofe-the-senator-for-suspect-science “There are literally hundreds of scientists on this chart and all these scientists disagree with you [Gore].”
Ooops… only about 88 names on chart, and they don’t seem qualified re climate.
“Gary Sharp (studies tuna)”http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1518
(add “node/” after “.com/” to fix links on that page)
And this is a funny read,’Roy Spencer’s questions answered’http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/05/roy_spencers_questions_answere.php
Just one example of why it’s so difficult to take Hinderaker’s post seriously.
Hinderaker twists the AP’s use of the word “rails” so that he can accuse the MSM into calling Gray a crank (they haven’t), while he himself writes that the IPCC”s findings are subject to “withering” criticism. Using “withering” to describe criticism of the IPCC’s findings is certainly no improvement on the AP’s use of “rails.”
Hinderaker is a polemicist AND a lawyer, and as both he certainly lacks credibility in attacking the MSM.
And he’s damn sure no scientist. >shrug<
Yes heckie. Uh, I think that hindraker is wrong because what the AP posted is TRUE! It just doesnt happen to toe his line.
You wanted the AP to post a few falsehoods so they could AGREE with hindraker?
Thanks for proving that all my posts here were correct. The problem isnt who is carrying whom’s water.
The problem is that the human contributions to global warming, and global warming itself is real.
AND THAT, dear readers, is what pisses the thirty percenters like heckie to no end.
So now, pleased to be telling me how the points made in my DU article are wrong?
Care to post how what the AP reported was UNTRUE?
cosmos
I’m glad you piped up.
You left a discussion regarding water vapor and it’s effect on global climate a while back. It was your contention that increased water vapor helped to hold heat in the atmosphere. But you did not address the cooling effects of the increased precipitation events brought on by more water vapor in the atmosphere.
Care to comment?
Ah the fabled scientist list. Even the mighty Cosmos cannot come up the names of those so-called 2500 scientists, because they weren’t all scientist and not all of them agree now after knowing how the UN panhandles and twists their words.
Real list, real scientists, no inclusion of scientists who no longer agree.
I want to see the real list.
No economists, no statisticians, no reporters, no anything but scientists.
They won’t do it, it would destro their rep. :)
KFG
Has nothing to do with any facts they reported. Has to do with the characterizations they make of Gray.
LOL @ Republican.
You guys don’t want a “scientists only” debate on global warming, lol. Like every other area of science where current trends run counter to GOP ideology (e.g., stem cells, evolution), you guys instead want to open the “debate” to include every Joe Schmoe with a paid-up ISP connection.
Hell, you don’t want a debate, you want an election.
“no anything but scientists,” >snort<
A fun article:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0513-29.htm
Our Presidential Prophet of God and Great Decider
Many disastrous conflicts in human history were led by men who spoke as if they were directed by God to lead the slaughter. President Bush asserts that “I trust God speaks through me and without that, I couldn’t do my job.” His sincere belief that the human carnage and destruction resulting from his war of choice against Iraq is somehow the will of God should not be a surprise to Americans of the Christian and Jewish traditions
So you are mad, as pedant said, about the adjectives the AP used, but you are A-OK with the same subjective and biased adjectives hindraker used? Is that YOUR arguement?
Glad you finally acknowledge that the AP posted truth and fact at about the same level as ass rocket.
I think that “Pot meet kettle” was essentially what I have been saying. Again, thanks for agreeing with me.
Do you just want to fight with me?
So now, pleased to be posting the errors in the DU article. Or do you just want to “respond with 10 posts doing everything BUT addressing the arguement in that post.” Like you accused me of doing? :)
Oh, and back at ya dude. The same could be said about DU that you said:}
“They don’t pretend to be an objective news organization. They are commentators. Address their arguement.
Posted by: Heckler | April 07, 2007 at 10:34 AM
“Address their arguement.”
So… pleased to be having you address the DU arguement”.—–
Jeebus Cosmos and Pedant, I suggest you just IGNORE republican.
He was completely discredited yesterday on multiple threads as being an incurable liar, and a troll in the sense that the debate is never finished for him.
He just brings the same ol’ crap, and takes great glee in getting people to argue the same things over, and over, and over, and over…
The funny thing about that? He is just as wrong the HUNDREDTH time he starts the same ol same ol as he was the FIRST time he was proven wrong.
I guess when he cant win a debate, he just has to troll the same stuff over and over and over and over, even if said trolling proves HIM wrong over and over and over and over….
Heckler – I posted information showing that the vast majority of my fellow scientists have a view of Gray that is simply reflected in the media article. I did not see any attempts by anyone to gag Dr. Gray.
KFG posted a link (I had seen the article before but couldn’t find it) showing that the bush administration is actively trying to gag scientists.
Much the same thing was done to the “alamists” and “chicken littles” who maintained that cigarettes are harmful to health. The industry gave a wonderful platform to the deniers who kept swearing there was no proof of that nor that nicotine is addictive. Deja vu all over again.
KFG
So what exactly is your point about the DU article? That scientist on the public payroll should be not be restricted in what they can to the press about work that is going on in their agency?
Excuse me while I go take a shower.
Having just read some of the posts from last night in the “Open Thread,” I wonder why the Wichita Eagle continues to host this blog. It reads like a fourth-grade playground taunt session.
It reflects badly on the Eagle, and on Wichita, too, for that matter.
Posted by: anonymous | April 07, 2007 at 08:20 AM
Anonymous–
I totally agree. That’s why I took part in a two-week boycott to show the WEBlog editors we were serious about wanting this place monitored and cleaned up.
Mr. Brownlee wrote us a sympathetic e-mail saying in essence this is the format they were given and they can’t really change it.
However, that still does not explain why they don’t have a Blog monitor who routinely pulls offending posts, like every other big blog does (DemUnderground and FreeRepublic).
Try posting half this crap on either one of those sites and you’ll see what I mean.
Your post will be pulled in ten minutes and your user name will be banned so that you can no longer log on.
Of course, we get the worst kind of trolling here. Every frustrated disruptor can come here and entertain him/herself to the nth degree with no downside.
Ben
I never said anyone was trying to gag Gray. The point was regarding the biased characterizations they make about him in what is presented as a “news” story.
Pedant, GW Alarmist keep their shrill screaming about the 2500 signatures, but fail to show the Climate Scientists on the list. They refuse to talk about all the purely administrative types on the list that have nothing to do with the science of Climate Change.
The reason the U.S. should not become a Kyoto Treaty signatory is that is a poorly written treaty which has no safety net. China and India,the worlds fast growing polluters will never sign.
It oppresses third world countries who want to industrialize but can’t because their governments were pressured into signing the treaty.
It gives taxation without representation because the UN has become the “yes men” for the Kyoto treaty. Hundreds of billions of unaccountable dollars floating around with no one to account for them.
No thanks, the U.S. can handle their own problems.
I never denied Climate Change, I just don’t buy into the alarmist view of pay us now because we really can’t protect you but we can sure scream shrilly like a bunch of whining magpies.
- GW Scientists can’t protect us- GW Scientists have their hand out for money always- GW Scientists have 1 view only- GW Scientists kill dissenting scientists careers often- GW Scientists refuse publicly admit to their mistakes even when found.- GW Scientists and their hit teams categorize people who have an alternative view as Deniers in the same class as Holocaust Deniers.- GW Scientists refuse to acknowledge people who are Green Activists and who follow their own paths are still “deniers.” Old Walter that lives in the wood with no machinery is a Denier is a heretic. Yeah right.- GW Scientists use law suits to change legislation because they don’t have solid science behind them. They argue the administration of the law, rather than their own science which they cannot prove.- GW Scientists hire gunslinger Political Hacks and easily fool the Press by offering them “doggie treats” by ‘allowing’ them to film effects such as following glaciers into the sea (like this has never happened.)
The list goes on, but I’m out of coffee. :)
Republican,
These scientists say that humans are causing GW,http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/558.htm
These are the people on “your” side.http://www.desmogblog.com/james-inhofe-the-senator-for-suspect-science
Their “qualifications” include economists, a coal union spokesperson, affiliated with 9 organizations funded by ExxonMobil, retired atomic radiation researcher, retired oil and gas geologist, oil exploration consultant, studies tuna, etc.(add “node/” after “.com/” to fix links on that page)
I HEARTILY AGREE, KSFRMGRRL!
Republican has shown himself to be the type of person who will say ANYTHING if it gives him a temporary advantage in the argument.
He calls Clark anti-semitic names and then lies that it wasn’t anti-semitic. For this reason, I have given him the Yiddish sobriquet “meshuge mamzer” or “crazy b*st*rd.”
He cuts and pastes old posts to make them say things they don’t say, and he knows he’s manipulating them.
He claims he has only been posting since February, but he’s intimately familiar with all the backgrounds of the frequent post-ers here.
Nothing this man says should be given credence. He is a proven liar.
Scroll over him like he isn’t even there.
A disruptor can tolerate anything except being ignored.
LOL Republican.
Yer full of piss AND opinions, ya we can all see that. :)
Yeah Okay Cosmos.
Your document only shows 1781 lines. That’s lines including Headers, White Space and other fillers.
The scientists you list are not all Climatologists. Some, like the Max Plankt institute have angrily protest the inclusion of their names because they know the Climate Models which they have built have great inaccuracies.
There are scientists that have asked to be remove from that list that haven’t been. Once IPCC gets your name they say they own your name and all of your scientific papers.
Yeah, some list Cosmos. Point out the ones that are true Climatologists and not administrators.
You claim superiority in Climatology, let’s see who the Climatologists are in that list.
Okay Wally, go find the ‘Beav’ now and tell him it’s time to eat.
Notice how CapnAmerica and Pedant cannot prove any of their assertions, they just make claims and say it so.
Typical of the conspiratorial Liberal.
News dump Friday . . . Pentagon admits Saddam had NO TIES to Al Qaeda
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040502263.html?hpid=topnews
Captured Iraqi documents and intelligence interrogations of Saddam Hussein and two former aides “all confirmed” that Hussein’s regime was not directly cooperating with al-Qaeda before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, according to a declassified Defense Department report released yesterday.
The declassified version of the report, by acting Inspector General Thomas F. Gimble, also contains new details about the intelligence community’s prewar consensus that the Iraqi government and al-Qaeda figures had only limited contacts, and about its judgments that reports of deeper links were based on dubious or unconfirmed information. The report had been released in summary form in February.The report’s release came on the same day that Vice President Cheney, appearing on Rush Limbaugh’s radio program, repeated his allegation that al-Qaeda was operating inside Iraq “before we ever launched” the war, under the direction of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the terrorist killed last June.
“This is al-Qaeda operating in Iraq,” Cheney told Limbaugh’s listeners about Zarqawi, who he said had “led the charge for Iraq.” Cheney cited the alleged history to illustrate his argument that withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq would “play right into the hands of al-Qaeda.”
*****Why is it that peace activists in places like Wichita, Kansas like me knew four years before the Pentagon and the White House that Saddam had no Al Qaeda ties?
Simple.
If Bush-Cheney say it, it can’t be true.
fap fap fap republican.
we are not following you down the wingnut bunny trail today.
One proof isnt enough and a hundred would be too many.
No takers here today on your silly games. Go back to freeperville where they AGREE with you.
Actually ksfarmgrrl, just that one example destroys the GW alarmists. Max Plankt institute writes the software and models for Climate Change. They admit they are flawed, yet the GW Alarmists point to them like they are the words of God.
What is up with the same wingnut points, disproven over and over again, being brought up here day after day, only to be disproven again and again.
Do you cons just LIVE in the movie groundhog day? You think the results will differ depending on the DAY? Woof. When a point has been proven to be false, it doesnt wake up the next day and by the magic of sleep, become TRUE!!
Jesus WEPT!
Meshuge Mamzer says that we have no proof.
Wrong.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_5.html#comments
Scroll down through Clark and my posts.
You’ll find two instances in which Meshuge Mamzer with malice aforethought cut-and-pasted INCOMPLETE posts to make them seem to say something they weren’t saying.
That’s a lie. And the man who does it is a liar.
And that’s proof MM is a liar.
fap fap fap republican
What was proven false yesterday did not become true today just because you slept.
Same day, same verse, same proof.
You repeating the talking points doesnt create a manufactured controversy, no matte HOW many times you repeat the same ol crap.
The rest of the world is moving on, beyond the constant repetition of you bushbots making the same ol rotten arguements day after day.
So either joint the flat earth society or joint the 21st century.
I know what I’m doing… do you?
Go to your corner and weep Capn, acting like the little girl you are. Whining about activities on a blog.
Get some stones man, you are embarrassing yourself.
Thanks for admitting it, MM.
Case closed.
Heckler,
“But you did not address the cooling effects of the increased precipitation events brought on by more water vapor in the atmosphere.”
You mean water vapor acting as a negative feedback, cooling the warming caused by human-added GHG’s?Lindzen’s theory, which he publicly withdrew in 1991, but brought back? And which no other scientist supports?
Studies have shown that water vapor is a positive feedback.http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/11/busy-week-for-water-vapor/
And if water vapor DID regulate temperatures, we would not have had the warming we’ve observed so far,http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005
I didn’t admit to anything. Your characterization of something doesn’t mean it’s accurate either. I can go find the original post and post of it. It won’t change the meaning of the post nor the intent.
That is, whiners always whine, paranoid conspiracy driven people always invoke conspiracies and hypocrites such as you, ksfarmgrrl and WSClark always will be hypocrites.
You say no substance, but then in your posts “discussing the issues” becomes name-calling and labeling.
Yeah, discussing the issues. Uh huh.
MM–
Yeah, why don’t you do that.
Post the original post and your interpretation of it, and we’ll all see who’s right, you or us.
What’s really sad is not you, because after all, you are you, a man with no job, no wife, no life, living on the gov’t dole who gets his jollies f***ing with people on-line.
What’s truly sad is that so many conservatives on this Blog continue to support you and egg you on.
Birds of feather flock together.
fap fap fap republican
Looks like you got yer ass handed to you AGAIN. And it isnt even 1pm yet….
You post it Capn, you’re the one who wants to prove the point. Let’s see you prove it.
Yeah, let’s use the personal attack again Capn, blame the guy who is on disabled Veteran status that has no life, no job, no wife, living on the gov’t dole.
Show the world what a warm compassionate human being you are.If I was living on the street with my hand out Capn, would that make it any better for you?
You can’t stand anyone that has a different view from you Capn.
You are what my Uncle calls a “Liberal Redneck,” biased to the core.
Sort of surprises you when I support abortion rights, hate political hacks like Rove, dislike right wing talk show hosts and will call a wrong on the Right side as a wrong. You are somewhat disturbed that I do that aren’t you Capn.
It’s called being intellectually honest.
cosmos
From your link-
“To be sure, there is still a gap in understanding what the models are actually doing, in that it is far from clear why such complex processes boil down to a simple behavior: that the water vapor over a deep region of the troposphere changes in such a way as to keep relative humidity approximately constant. I have some ideas on this myself, but the general picture is still very much a work in progress. Meanwhile, it becomes increasingly clear that whyever the models do what they do to upper level water vapor, there can’t be anything too terribly wrong with what they are doing.”
Boy, now that sounds VERY definitive.
“whyever the models do what they do ” ????????????WTF????????
Go to your corner and weep MM Republican, acting like the little girl you are. Whining about activities on a blog.
Grow some stones man, you are embarrassing yourself.
Seems like I heard that somewhere before . . .
Yeah Capn, people in Britain say that, people in the military say that, people in with Italian heritage say that, people with all sorts of heritage say that.
More conspiracy Capn?
How about growing a pair Capn? That suit you any better?
Republican,
I’ll let the blog readers decide who’s more qualified in my post http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_6.html#comment-65642788
- the scientists at IPCC, or your economists, the guy who studies tuna, et al.
“Some, like the Max Plankt institute have angrily protest the inclusion of their names because they know the Climate Models which they have built have great inaccuracies.”
Name who protested, and why.
The real problem is bureaucrats watering down the scientists reports.’Softened climate report riles some scientists’http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003655878_warming07.html
The U.S. military reported Saturday that two U.S. soldiers were killed and seven others were wounded Friday in separate bomb explosions around Iraq’s capital. All were MultiNational Division-Baghdad soldiers.
McCain’s paradise.
Another air-strike killed more women and children…
Sorry for the funny here after Ed’s sobering post, but this is just too funny NOT to share.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×3203478
What are we suppose to do about Global Warming?
I’ve been hearing the drum beat about “we need to act now!” forever, but what is that?
Cutting carbon emissions for average folks (Al Gore and the political rich get a pass) and preventing the 3rd world from developing?
If that’s it! I think we are doing something. I’m not for sure if it will do anything, but at least it makes for good political rhetoric.
Again! I’m more green than any of the enviromentialist posers on this blog.
But I’m putting my bets on that Natural Global Warming will save humanity.
But I’m for reducing pollution and improving energy efficiency and diversity.
Heckler,
The models are complicated, built by combining simpler sections that are understood.
The key points are, real-world studies show water vapor is a positive feedback, and warming has occurred.
Was Republican complaining about name-calling?
A then HE called US hypocrites?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm……………….
Republican,
Who at Max Planck protested against the IPCC, and why?
Is there anything Bush can do right?
“US captured ‘wrong Iranians’
“US soldiers who captured five Iranians in the Iraq’s northern city of Irbil three months ago were hoping to seize commanders of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, a senior Kurdish leader has said.Massoud Barzani, president of the Kurdish region government, said senior Guards leaders had been visiting Kurdish officials at the time of the January raid
The five Iranian diplomats who were arrested in the raid on a house in Irbil were all innocent of US charges that they were helping co-ordinate attacks against US and Iraqi forces, Barzani told Dubai-based Al-Arabiyah television in remarks broadcast on Friday.”It [the house] was not a secret Iranian office,” Barzani said.”It is impossible for us to accept that an Iranian office in Irbil was doing things against coalition forces or against us. That office was doing its work in a normal way and had they been doing anything hostile we would have known that.”"They [the Americans] did not come to detain the people [the five Iranians] in that office.”Barzani suggested that the US forces had instead hoped to captured senior members of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards who were visiting the area at the time.”There was an Iranian delegation, including Revolutionary Guards commanders, and they came as guests of the president,” Barzani said, refering to Jalal Talabani, the Iraqi president who is a Kurd.”He was in Sulaimaniyah. They came to Sulaimaniyah and then I received a call from the president’s office telling me that they wanted to meet me as well.”They [the commanders] came here and they came openly. Their meetings with the president and myself were reported on television. The Americans came to detain this delegation, not the people in the office.”They [Americans] came to the wrong place at the wrong time.”US accusationsWashington has said the five captured Iranians, who were seized in Irbil, the capital of the Kurdish region, were seized on suspicion that they were providing aid to Shia fighters who are targeting US and Iraqi troops and civilians.On Wednesday, a US military spokesman said that an delegation from the International Committee of the Red Cross had visited the captive Iranians.On Friday, the US military issued a further statement clarifying that there were no Iranians in an Red Cross team that had visited the five detained Iranians.The US has denied that it granted access to the Iranian captives as part of a deal which led to Iran freeing 15 British naval personnel who were seized by Iranian forces last month.”—–
February 2007 -
This report presents the results from survey questionnaires distributed among hundreds ofclimate scientists in 1996 and again in 2003 by German environmental scientists Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch.Bray is a research scientist at the GKSS Institute of Coastal Research in Geesthacht, Germany. Von Storch is a climatologyprofessor at the University of Hamburg and director of the Institute of Coastal Research.
In Germany, Bray and von Storch sent the survey to 450 scientistsdrawn from the mailing list of the German Meteorological Society.An additional 50 questionnaires were distributed to members of theMax Planck Institute for Meteorology, in Hamburg.Assertions by alarmists that “thedebate is over” clearly are not supported by the climate scientists who actually study the issue. Indeed, for 66 of the 99 questions asked by the two surveys reported here, the average response of climate scientists fell between a “3” and a “5,” indicating a lack of consensus regarding fully two-thirds of the questions presented.
The Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in
Germany finds that 64 percent of climatologists believe global warming is occurring, but 67percent disagree that “climate models can accurately predict climactic conditions.
On El Nino and La Ninja -“This is the really scary part of the story because we don’t know why that model failed,” says Mojib Latif of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, Germany. Looking into the future, there is uncertainty about how the El Niño will behave over the winter. “Models disagree on when it will peak and when it will go away. The impact that it will have on weather depends critically on having this event continue in winter and into the spring.
A study by the Max Planck Institute reports that living plants emit methane into the atmosphere. Methane is a greenhouse gas. Trees were thought to be helpful to the atmosphere by removing carbon dioxide. The Max Planck study indicates thatliving plants produce 10 to 30 percent of all methane emitted into the atmosphere. So every timea celebrity plants a tree to offset their personal carbon footprints, they are actually increasing greenhouse gases.
Until now, it was thought that plant matter produces methane only through microbial activity in oxygen-free environments such as swamps, flooded rice fields and ruminants’ guts. But on page 187 of this issue, Frank Keppler, ageochemist at the Max Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics in Heidelberg, Germany, and his colleagues report that grasses and leaves from various species release the gas under normal aerobic conditions. The source of the methane — and why plants make it — is unknown.
The observed global warming may be explained by increased solar activity, the present level ofsolar activity is historically high as determined by sunspot activity and other factors. Solaractivity could affect climate either by variation in the sun’s output or by an indirect effect onthe amount of cloud formation. Solanki et al. (2004 – Max Planck Institute, Germany) suggest that solar activity for the last 60 to 70 years may be at its highest level in 8,000 years; Muscheler et al. disagree, suggesting that other comparably high levels of activity have occurred several times in the last few thousand years.
One representativefrom this field, Lennart Bengtsson, emeritus scientific member of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, argued: “There is no laboratory bench at which we mightinvestigate the future of the earth’s climate – the only way of doing it is with computer simulations.” Just two decades ago, today’s detailed prognoses indicating a dramatic warming of the earth would have been inconceivable – albeit they are by no means unproblematic. Both the models and the data on which they are based still display considerable inadequacies. Climatechange is not a “proven certainty”, but rather a development that has acertain likelihood of taking effect. It is rather like a weather forecast: you only really know in retrospect whether it was right or wrong. This is exactly where the problem lies, according to historian of scienceNaomi Oreskes from the Universityof California in San Diego. Computer models not only provide new insights, they also throw into sharp relief the issue of the reliability of scientific knowledge. And this is whatcritics of climate models in the USA in particular are driving at: just how realistic are simulations – and to what extent can and should they be used as a basis for making political decisions?But the problem goes way beyondthe climate debate. Experts disagree about the reliability of simulations in other instances as well. One example cited by Oreskes was Yucca Mountain in the Nevada desert, which the US government has its eye on as a final repository for nuclear waste. As recently pointed out in the NEWYORK TIMES
Stephen Norton from the University of Maryland. He does not accept the objection that while computer simulations may be elegant, hard facts can only be gained through experiments: in his opinion, this distinction is completely meaningless. To be sure, computer models never come up with unanimous opinion.
ROFLMAO – Well, if ever there was any doubt why this was such a pleasant board for over two weeks – reading this thread should convince everyone.
The nasty element is back.
I don’t think the boycotter’s even realize the VERY reasons they claim they left – left with them -and returned with them.
Pathetic.
No, what is pathetic is that in our absence, the wingnuts tried to claim that they were superior because they were so much more CIVIL and HONORABLE.
You admitted yourself that you enjoyed accusing Democrats of treason because it was irritating.
I have already pointed out the hypocrisy of Republican accusing us of name-calling.
GSher, you and Republican, along with your Court Jester Fleet, were the absolute worst on your side of the fence.
So, for you to call us pathetic is just that, pathetic.
I just want to say Happy Easter to all my (non-fundie nut) Christian friends out there.
GSheridan,
I say this as a friend. Stop eating the paint chips. They’re not good for you.
Give me a break, WS – you are so transparent.
Like a bunch of spoiled little children – you ran out of here screaming – then you came crawling back with your tails tucked between your legs after you LIED about not coming back here.
Your little hissy fit backfired. First you tell people you are going to kick their ass – then you backpeddle by saying it was rhetorical. BS. We both know it wasn’t. You’re a blatant liar and you try to cover for your own crappy deeds by placing the blame on others.
Pathetic.
You, FarmFap and CapnCrunch are the biggest, howling crybabies on the board.
And the fact will ALWAYS remain that you ran away – issued ultimatums, and then slithered back when you lost.
Losers.
Total losers.
Now, you act like a baby saying “He called me a name – he called me a name…..mommy, mommy, mommy”
Grow up.
Nobody here is as bad as you three.
Nobody.
Condor – I say this as a friend – had YOU not already EATEN all the paint chips, perhaps there would be some left for the rest of us.
lol
Most of us left this blog only to support Linda Inks – not that we could not take care of ourselves.
As for Republican or you calling names – I really could care less – but don’t try to claim the moral high ground when you two are the absolute worst ever.
You, Ma’am are a hypocrite.
Trust me WS CLark…………the wingnuts here have been nothing but their usual venomous selves during the boycott. You should have seen them on the thread a few weeks back when I contended that their backing of a mandatory ID for voting was a de facto poll tax. They were literally FROTHING at the mouth.
It was TOO funny!
The real terror threat to this country is the right-wing/fundie/fascist menace that is today’s GOP.
Republican,
“Some, like the Max Plankt institute have angrily protest the inclusion of their names because they know the Climate Models which they have built have great inaccuracies.”http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_6.html#comment-65643366
There’s nothing supporting your “angrily protest” claim in your lengthy, multi-sourced, undated, unattributed 3:38 PM ‘copy/paste’.
Should we assume that you are UNABLE to support your claim?
Sorry, WS – you and your ilk have called MORE names than I ever could have. You guys are SOOOO insecure around anyone that isn’t a flaming liberal – that you are immediately on the attack.
The very worst is FarmFap – but you and CapnCrunch run a close second.
Still, no matter WHY you left – you lost – AND you LIED about not coming back here.
You have NO credibility.
Had you guys been such a boon to this blog – your demands would have been met instead of a nice “dear John” letter sent to you by PB.
Drop the “Mommy, he called me a name…” BS, and we’ll see if you can contribute. But so far, all you’ve done is whine and cry like a baby.
Jesus spat.
Cosmos,
Shall we assume you ignore the very people who say there is no census on Global Warming. They only say that there are likelihoods that certain things are occurring.
They can’t even agree on how their Climate Models should be used or if they should be used.
Why? Because they know as scientists that all the facts are not in.
Consensus? I don’t see it written anywhere but in yours and the GORICAL’s mind.
Scientists of the World know there is no consensus.
psst. Republican.
The scientific consensus on Global Warming is “written” in Bill Richardson’s mind too.
Or don’t you know the slightest f*cking thing about the politicians you support?
pssst. Condor
100 percent agreement on every subject is not what Democratic Republic is all about.
Get a clue Condor.
I gotta tell you guys, isn’t it crazy how Nancy Pelosi ran and hid behind President Bush when she was attacked for her Syrian fiasco?
Talk about a hypocrite:
[quote]” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, deflecting White House criticism of her trip to Syria, said Friday she thinks the mission helped President Bush because it showed the United States is unified against terrorism despite being divided over the Iraq war.
Pelosi, D-Calif., met with Syrian President Bashar Assad in Damascus earlier this week, against the president’s wishes.
“Our message was President Bush’s message,” Pelosi said in a phone interview with The Associated Press from Portugal, where she stopped briefly en route back to the United States. “[end quote]
——————
I’ll bet she had to run out and get half a dozen Botox injections just to raise her spirits.
lol
My, my, my GSher, those wild hairs up yours acting up again? Tsk, tsk.
As I have said before, I’ll say again – I never get down in the mud until someone attacks me first.
And when I am down in the mud, I fight like a son-of-a-bitch.
The only reason that I am back here is your boy Republican attacked me – attacked me when I wasn’t even posting. Now that I am back, however, I am enjoying watching the wingnuts meltdown.
Our request to the WE Blog Editors was not met because they do not own this blog – you know that. They did ask that we return and many have.
And as for Republican’s name-calling, any right thinking person SHOULD object to an ethnic slur. It is only you, for your obviously biased reasons, and Republican, because he does not have the guts to admit it, that think that his comment was NOT an ethnic slur.
Think what you want, GSher. Needless to say your opinion means nothing to me.
But when the truth is told, it is you that is the loser.
Wow. You know the GOP ship is sinking when loyal GOP hatchetmen like Republican protest that “”100 percent agreement on every subject is not what Democratic Republic is all about.”
I guess that means we’ll soon see Republican reevaluating his 100% defense of every Bush administration position.
I’m just dying to know what GSheridan and Fleetwood and Hank and Nathan and the rest of Republican’s pals here will think of him when they find out he’s supporting Bill Richardson and that he doesn’t like Karl Rove.
I guess this means Republican is a neo-neo-neo-lib.
Republican is a new new new liberal?
Wonders shall never cease…….
“”100 percent agreement on every subject is not what Democratic Republic is all about.”
Very true. However, 100 percent agreement IS what the Bush administration demands.
Not hardly Condor, I like to shower and change my underwear daily unlike Liberals. :)
Go ahead and tell yourself that, WS, but the simple truth is – if the WEBlog editors REALLY agreed with your demands – they could likely have pulled some strings.
But, it didn’t happen.
You are STILL going after Republican on the name-calling thingy.
After all you have done – I find that highly hypocritical.
You claim that he attacked you when you were not even here.
Did YOU do that, WS? Did you attack him or me, or anyone else here when you were on the other board?
If you would just step back once and read what you write -
- Oh, forget it.
It’s beyond you.
Just keep crying about being called a name.
That’s more your style.
Sheesh.
“You are STILL going after Republican on the name-calling thingy.”
Only because he is a chickenshit and won’t admit it. I could care less what someone like you or Fleet or Republican or Hank thinks of me. Believe me, I do not want any of you as a friend. I will not be inviting any of you over for a backyard barbeque.
No, I really don’t care – by I want the SOB to admit that he used an anti-Semitic slur.
As for what I posted on the WV Blog – it was the truth – what Republican posted was a lie and he knew it was a lie.
Besides, wouldn’t it be hypocritical of Republican to criticize anyone for nic-switching?
“they could likely have pulled some strings.”
No the couldn’t – in correspondence from LAST year, Brownlee informed me that McLatchy did not want to invest anything into the blog.
But nice try…….
Here’s a suggestion for you – since I am sure that you feel that the WE Blog Editors feel positive about you – why don’t you try to get me banned from posting here?
“the simple truth is – if the WEBlog editors REALLY agreed with your demands – they could likely have pulled some strings.”
Go for it, GSheridan, go for it.
Loser.
sniff sniff – :D
Republican, is it true that you are an anti-Semitic hypocrite that claims to be above the fray but in actuality are just as guilty of everything you rail against?
Loser.
You don’t have the guts to admit that you’re an anti-Semite, so you hide behind a concocted story that you thought you were saying Heebie-Jeebie.
In other words, you are a coward.
Poor Clarkie, he actually believes what he writes. :(
What percentage of these Semites are Jews WSClark?
I thought you were of German Decent,not Semitic.
Show me your Semitic line.
Well, well, well, the ORIGINAL anti-Semite is back!!!!
I will give you this much, Santiago, at least you have the guts to admit that you are anti-Semitic.
Your buddy, Republican doesn’t have the guts to admit his prejudice.
I thought you were about not calling names, Republican?
My name is not Clarkie.
Let me flip the question, Republican. When your hero Hitler fired up the ovens, who burned?
Jews or Germans?
The Jews of Europe in 1940 were descendants of the Jews that fled the Holy Lands. They were not just people that practiced Judeaism.
Semite is an ethnic group. Arabs are also Semitic, but the term usually refers to someone that is anti-Jew.
If all it took to avoid Auschwitz was to not practice Judeaism, don’t you think more than a few Jews would have taken that approach?
My grandfather was a JEW that converted to Christianity. That did not make him less a Semite.
So, Mr. Hypocritical Republican, don’t even try to lecture me on the origins of anti-Semitism.
As usual, you are wrong.
That’s kind of the story of your life, right?
WSClark, you haven’t answered the question of how a believer of a certain faith is passed down through blood lines.
Are you a Semitic Hebrew descendant of Shem? Or are you descendant of Khazars who were converts to Judaism?
Some claim Paul, the one mentioned in the Bible was an anti-Semite
Who I am now? a Santiago? lmao!
Wow, my identity keeps changing by the mood of WSClark.
I’m giving odds on who I will be tomorrow according to WSClark. :)
“Who I am now? a Santiago?”
I never suggested that you were Santiago, Republican. He has the courage of his anti-Semitic convictions. On the other hand, you are a gutless coward.
Try rereading my post, idiot.
I answered your question, Republican Idiot. Most Jews are Semites. Those that are not have converted to Judeaism. Those that convert from Judeaism are still Semites.
Learn to read, Republican, before you make a fool of yourself again.
By the way, I really don’t care who or what you are, but do me this one favor. Since you are unmarried and are childless, please leave instructions in your will to post the news of your death on WE Blog.
I would love to attend your funeral.
I was listening to an engineer discuss global warming just about an hour ago:
You take 100 million years worth of vegetation compressed as coal. All the carbon sucked out of the atmosphere while those trees were growing.
And then you burn it in a time span of about 100 years.
How could the CO2 levels in the atmosphere NOT go to historical highs?
It’s not even an arguable point.
You’d have to believe that the war in Iraq was going great, that the Bible is literally true and that George W. Bush is a great president to think that CO2 levels aren’t rising and that catastrophic global warming isn’t a huge threat.
Agreed, Capn. And thanks for putting it that way, very clarifying that.
The hell with Mars and ITS temperature, there is no way to avoid the conclusion that humans contribute to EARTH’s warming.
WSC–
You (and I) don’t owe the wing-nuts on this blog any explanation.
In the immortal words of the populist-liberal Walt Whitman: “Do I contradict myself? Then I contradict myself . . .”
Meshugenah has had his ass kicked every which way from Sunday by you, Farmie, CF2K, and me. He’s a flipping chew toy.
He won’t apologize or admit anything because he has nothing to apologize for–lying and slandering people are WHAT HE DOES.
It’s his chosen profession. You can’t fault a man for laboring in his profession.
Nobody but GSheridan takes him seriously and that’s because she would have absolutely no friends on this blog if it weren’t for the Mamzer.
Ef them.
“Nobody but GSheridan takes him seriously and that’s because she would have absolutely no friends on this blog if it weren’t for the Mamzer.”
Now, THAT is funny!!!!!!
Thank you, Capn’, I needed a good laugh!
“Most Jews are Semites. Those that are not have converted to Judeaism. Those that convert from Judeaism are still Semites.”Posted by: WSClark | April 07, 2007 at 06:10 PM
Ah, now we’re getting somewhere. :)
Do you know where the term Semite comes from? I mentioned it before, it comes from Shem, son of Noah.
What does it mean to be a Semite? The concept of a “Semitic” peoples is derived from Biblical accounts of the origins of the cultures known to the ancient Hebrews. Those closest to them in culture and language were generally deemed to be descended from their forefather Shem. Enemies were often said to be descendants of his cursed brother Ham. (Ham father of the Arabic dialects.)
Now, WSClark, you stated a couple of things.
1. Your grandfather WAS a Jew who converted to Christianity.a. Means he stop being associated to the Jewish faith.2. You mention the words “convert from Judeaism are still Semites.”3. You mentioned your grandfather is from Germany, not anywhere from the Middle East, where Semites live.
Your Grandfather was not Hebrew or I imagine you would have said so, meaning he is directly descended from a Semitic speaking people (note this is not a race but a classification by language.)
Got that so far? Semites are not a race, just a classification of culture and language.
Now, back to your Grandfather, he converted to Christianity. Do you know how the Hebrew religion started? Would you say they were converts as well? :)
As far as I know, there is no DNA test that describes how to test for a convert to a certain faith.
Not only are you not a Semite (a culture and language classification) you are not a Jew.
Why? Because your Grandfather converted to Christianity. He didn’t pass down any Jew genes as there are no such things a Jew genes. It is a faith and a description of a culture and language.
Where you even born in that culture or language? No, you admitted you were born in the U.S. of mixed races, Black, native American and German I do believe you stated.
Now, once your grandfather or whoever was the ancestor left Germany, he was out of that Jewish Culture. Note I idid not say race.
There is no Jew Gene right? It is a conversion. :)
Have you been circumcised according to Jewish faith, have you had a bar miztveh? Have you committed to taking the tradition al Jewish bath with all the ritual prayers? Do you practice the Jewish faith?
If not, you can’t even claim the identity of a Jew. Which, by the way, identity is not a race either.
So, WSClark tell me again exactly how you claim to be Jewish when no one in your recently family history has practiced Judaism, lived their lives in according to Jewish tradition and practice Jewish culture and language.
Even if you did all of those things, being a Jew is still not a race.
So tell me WSClark, how is it that you are a Jew?
And how can I be an Anti-Semite when there was nothing entered into the conversation that you are even close to being a Hebrew or even a Jew?
Explain to me how this conversion to a faith is an aspect of racism when Hebrew faith or Jewish faith is not classified as a race.
You don’t even practice the Jewish faith, but claim to be a Jew. ???????????
Meshuge Mamzer is now an expert on who and who is not technically a Jew.
Perhaps he did a NOVA statistical analysis on the question. He studied statistics so long ago, they didn’t have ANOVA–they only had NOVA.
That’s when he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about and his bullsh*t piles up so fast that it spontenously explodes in his face . . .
What happened CapnAmerica? Did all your retired mathematical experts die? Did you forget to ask them?
Is bullsh*t your only answer to everything you disagree with?
Have you gotten a set yet or are you relying purely on insult and profanity?
Republican,
“Shall we assume you ignore the very people who say there is no census on Global Warming.”
You again prove that you do not read my posts.
And you’ve got NO proof about what you said the Max Planck scientists did?
“Scientists of the World know there is no consensus.”
You mean like Inhofe’s group — the economists, a coal union spokesperson, affiliated with 9 organizations funded by ExxonMobil, retired atomic radiation researcher, retired oil and gas geologist, oil exploration consultant, studies tuna, etc.
Among qualified scientists, there’s a very STRONG consensus that humans have caused GW — and YOU CANNOT change that fact.
Just what exactly is “fap fap fap” supposed to mean? Sounds like made up words that 3rd graders are fond of using.
Then again, given the maturity of the above discourse, it fits right in.
“You don’t even practice the Jewish faith, but claim to be a Jew. ???????????”
You are even dumber than Fleetwood, Republican, and that takes some doing.
First, I never said I was a Jew – I said that my heritage included Jews.
Second, for the last time, a Semite is still a Semite even if he does not practice Judeaism. A Jew is still ethnically a Semite even if he converts from Judeaism.
Is an African American no longer a African American if he converts to Buddhism? If he converts to Islam, does he become a Semite?
Iranians are not Semites, they are Persians, but they are still mostly Muslims.
Get the hint, dumbass?
And by the way – and I will type R-E-A-L slowly for you – an ethnic group is not a race.
Get that?
Jeez, you ARE even more stupid than Fleetwood.
Consensus Cosmos? Hardly.
Describe the color black to me and ask various scientist to describe the color black to you and see if you get a consensus. :)
Oh and ask Climatologists, physicists, an Ophthalmologists, ask an Engineer, ask an Astronomer, as an Economist.
Now come back and tell me Cosmos, with this very simple question task, if you can come back with a consensus on what the color black is. :)
Sorry, MM, I’m scanning today . . .
BTW, has anyone else noticed that whenever you post anything about Meshuge Mamzer, he’s THERE!
I mean this guy is blogging here like 18 hours a day.
Somebody ought to check on him to see if he ever goes out for groceries.
raptor, “fap fap fap” is fleettwood’s blog analogue for the sounds made during male masturbation.
As a male, I’m not so sure about his analogue, but I gotta ‘fess up: its use here kills me.
(don’t tell the fleett one)
Republican,
Thank you proving that YOU CANNOT CHANGE the fact that there’s a very STRONG scientific consensus that humans have caused GW.
First, I never said I was a Jew – I said that my heritage included Jews.Posted by: WSClark | April 07, 2007 at 06:55 PM
I had my horns removed so no one can really tell that I have partial Jewish ancestry.As long as I don’t drop my pants, no one can tell that I have African-American ancestry.Go figure………Posted by: WSClark | November 22, 2006 at 01:31 PM
Will you continue to be silent just because I am of partial Jewish heritage? Posted by: Jew Boy | November 20, 2006 at 07:16 PM
heritage – Something that is passed down from preceding generations; a tradition.The status acquired by a person through birth; a birthright: a heritage of affluence and social position.
So what traditions were passed down WSClark? Anything? Something?> Did you get a social position because of your Jewish Heritage?
Can you pass on years of Jewish knowledge you accumulated?
Exactly what is your Jewish heritage WSClark?
Is it a tiny little ball of hatred you bring out when you think it gives you an advantage for talking points?
Yeah, yeah, I think that last one fits you perfectly.
Fap, fap, fap?????????????
Jeez, I never made that sound. It must only occur with very small members…….
Describe this very STRONG scientific consensus Cosmos.
I can’t seem to define “very Strong scientific consensus.”
What about a strong consensus?
What is the statistical probably that a coin flipped three times – on its fourth time it will land as heads or tail?
Can I make a consensus with 2500 coin flips?
“heritage – Something that is passed down from preceding generations”
Jeez, you are even more stupid than I thought, Republican.
You are an unbelieveable moron.
My Jewish heritage is that my paternal grandfather was a European Jew – that makes me 25% Semite.
What is your point – I should not be offended by your anti-Semite slurs because I am only 25% Jewish?
Should I not be offended by a slur directed towards African Americans because I am only a trace African American?
Should I not be offended by a slur directed towards Native Americans because I am only a trace Native American?
The horns removed comment was for friends that know that I have had two moles removed on my forehead. The scars are in a position that would suggest that I have had horns removed.
If you want to know more about the “pants drop” comments, you’ll have to ask a few of my former girlfriends. Let’s just say that no one calls me “Shorty.”
But let me ask you this, Republican – how do you justify your obvious anti-Semitism?
Hehehe, good one, Clark!
You got poor old Meshugener doing bone digs now . . . those are pretty funny too!
Thanks for the repost, Mamzer.
Jeez, WSC, do you think if we needle MM enough, we can get him to forget to eat or drink for a couple of days and he’d just fall over dead trying to make . . . one . . . last . . . post?
The landlord would find his skeletal remains hunched over the keyboard with a “I heart Bush” tee shirt on, his computer would still be flickering with life, his links to Jeff Gannon’s webpage still hot . . .
1. something somebody is born to: the status, conditions, or character acquired by being born into a particular Family OR SOCIAL class.
Two can copy and paste from a online dictionary…….
Dumbass.
He’s probably googling “Jeff Gannon.”
Cool!
He’ll never come back after he checks out that right-wing “HotMilitaryStuds” site.
Wished I had thought of it before.
“People hate me from both sides”
Republican, April 7, 2007
Actually, Republican, it is more likely MOST people on both sides hate you for your obvious bigotry.
Republican,
It’s a very STRONG scientific consensus because your anti-AGW side is UNABLE to refute it. There’s NO credible, peer-reviewed scientific work supporting your anti-AGW side.
Jeff Gannon was hot.
Just proves my point WSClark is that you never took any sort of biological course. You’re claim to be 25 percent Semite is beyond funny, it’s almost sad someone could be so uneducated.
I can’t believe there are still people denying climate change. I mean if you have 100% of scientific studies showing a human link to increasing global temperature averages and 0% refuting them it would make sense that there’s only one way to conclude. It’s like dealing with creationists who think the universe is 10,000 years old. They don’t care about facts and science is just their enemy.
So, Republi-anti-semite, how is it that my heritage is less than 25% Semite?
Let’s see – my grandfather was Semite.
That would make my father HALF Semite.
Making me one QUARTER Semite, which would be 25% in most states.
So what is your point, dumbass bigot?
Did you fail math, Republibigot?
Never denied climate change Doug. I agree climate change as nature makes climate change since the beginning of time.
I deny the Global Warming conspiracy Alarmists theory on climate change.
Your own words:”Most Jews are Semites. Those that are not have converted to Judeaism. Those that convert from Judeaism are still Semites.”Posted by: WSClark | April 07, 2007 at 06:10 PM
Point out the Semite Gene here WSClark.
A conversion to a faith does not make one a Semite.
Have you met any Chinese Jews that had grandfather that were Jewish WSClark? If they attend a Buddhist temple will all their descendants now become Buddhists?
Practicing a faith does not change it into a race.
An Orthodox Jew wouldn’t recognize you as a Jew that’s for sure. And most certainly wouldn’t recognize someone with Germanic ancestry as a Semite.
“Practicing a faith does not change it into a race.”
For Christ’s sake, Khan, you are amazingly stupid.
Did you even catch the point that Semite is not a race, it is an ethnic group. Are you that fuckinnn stupid?
But back to the point, you flaming idiot – what does all that have to do with your anti-Semite remarks?
If I am a quarter Jewish or completely Jewish or if I have no Jewish Blood, how does that migate your anti-Semitic comment?
Explain that, bigot.
How do you justify your comments?
Found this yesterday…interesting to see how the Arab world sees our new speaker.
What Pelosi Stands ForAmir Taheri, Arab News,Saudi ArabiaApril 7, 2007
The other face of America! This is how Arab media and political circles describe Nancy Pelosi as she winds up her tour of the Middle East amid criticism from the Bush administration. And, there is little doubt that much of the Arab elite likes that face better than the one presented by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in her trips to the region.
Pelosi, the speaker of the US House of Representatives, describes her tour as a fact-finding exercise. But, judging by the substantial negotiations she engaged in, hers was a full-fledged diplomatic mission. At least, this is how most Arabs see it.
“She is the friendly face of America,” says a senior Syrian official. “Where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles.”
Ms. Pelosi was specially feted in Damascus, capital of Syria, the oldest member of the club of “nations sponsoring international terrorism”, according to Washington.
“Her visit was a godsend to an isolated and beleaguered regime,” says a Lebanese minister. “The Syrian regime, which had been thinking of bowing to international pressure, is now reassured. All it has to do is to wait until Pelosi’s party takes over the White House in 2009.”
The Pelosi mission confirms the analysis made by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of the Islamic Republic that the United States is incapable of developing and implementing a long-term strategy. According to this analysis, the US is like a fickle monarch who might wake up one morning and decide to do the exact opposite of what he had been doing for years.
The most radical elements in the region liked Pelosi best if only because she endorsed their campaign of vilification against the Bush administration. Her motto was: Surrender before you have too, and claim credit for it! She represented a superpower that, because no one can take away anything from it, is prepared to give away everything.
The Pelosi Doctrine, as demonstrated during the tour, is the opposite of the Bush Doctrine spelled out in 2002.
The Bush Doctrine links the United States’ national security to democratization in the Middle East. It asserts that undemocratic states serve as breeding grounds for terrorism the way that marshes breed mosquitoes. The US should therefore, throw its weight behind those forces and governments that promote reform in the region.
In practical terms, the Bush Doctrine means a number of things.
It means using force to remove regimes that lack internal mechanisms for change, as was the case with the Taleban in Afghanistan and the Saddamites in Iraq. It also means persuading friendly regimes to broaden their popular base, liberalize their economies, and open up the social and political space, as is the case in Egypt and Jordan among others. Elsewhere, the Bush Doctrine envisages robust opposition to the ambitions of such opportunist powers as Syria, in its quest to dominate Lebanon, and the Islamic Republic of Iran in its pursuit of regional hegemony.
In the Bush Doctrine the Israel-Palestine conflict is regarded as an almost peripheral problem that could be tackled best when the region is democratized, liberalized, and woven into the global system.
The Bush Doctrine is based on the implicit assumptions that the US represents a political system that is morally superior to that of its adversaries in the Middle East and elsewhere.
The Bush Doctrine is idea-driven, not to say idealistic.
The Pelosi Doctrine, however, is based on realpolitik of the kind that Henry Kissinger or James Baker III, among countless other cynics, would approve.
It rejects the idea that the US political system, or the culture in which it is rooted, is in any way better, let alone superior, to systems developed by other peoples across the globe, including the Middle East. Pelosi applies the tenets of multiculturalism to international affairs: All systems are comparable; all systems are of equal value. She believes that other cultures might not be as good as hers, but hers sure can be as bad as theirs.
The Pelosi Doctrine opposes the use of force, even against obnoxious anti-American regimes. Throughout her tour, Madame Speaker made it clear that she was determined to hasten the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, with hints that the US military presence in Afghanistan would also be wound down. Pelosi’s America would fight back only in self-defense, and rejects pre-emptive war based on perceived threats.
According to the Pelosi Doctrine, the US must work with the regimes in place, including those perceived as enemies. A great power, Pelosi believes, cannot afford to be judgmental. It must work with the realities on the ground rather than seek to change them in accordance with its vision of the world.
Pelosi also restores the status of the Israel-Palestine conflict as the most important issue of the region, if not of international life as a whole, and seeks to resume Washington’s role as mediator in a revived peace process. She rejects what some Arabs see as President George W. Bush’s partiality toward Israel, and urges a return to the even-handedness that the US demonstrated in the last years of the Clinton presidency.
Throughout her visit, Pelosi sought to project a modest image of the United States as opposed to the “arrogant” one presented by Bush.
What would the Middle East look like if the Pelosi Doctrine replaces the Bush Doctrine as the matrix of US foreign policy?
The US will withdraw from Iraq before the new Iraqi regime is capable of defending itself against its internal and external foes. It will then be up to rival regional powers, notably the Islamic republic, to determine the fate of Iraq, together with their local clients.
The new democratic regime in Afghanistan would also come under possibly fatal pressure. The country’s fate would then be in the hands of rival powers, notably Iran, Pakistan and Russia in conjunction with their respective clients within the country.
In the absence of political and diplomatic pressure from Washington, the current trend toward reform and liberalization would come to a halt in most parts of the region. Concerned about the rise of radical forces and greater hostility from revolutionary actors, such as the Islamic republic and the revived Al— Qaeda, Arab regimes would postpone democratization and revert to repressive methods.
Lebanon’s “Cedar Revolution” would fade into memory, as Syrian troops return to Beirut to resume occupation.
The Pelosization of US foreign policy would also encourage the “one-state” camp with regard to the Israel-Palestine conflict. At present, a majority of regional powers support a two-state solution in the context of the Saudi peace proposals. But the two-state option is based on the assumption that the US remains an active element in its support, rather than a mediator hedging its bets.
The Pelosization of US foreign policy could plunge the Middle East into endless civil and regional wars, facilitate the return of terrorist organizations now facing defeat and ultimate destruction, and, in time, threaten US national security on a grander scale. And that, in turn, could force the US into wars bigger and costlier than the ones in Afghanistan and Iraq that Pelosi regards as mistakes.
JDicks, when you pulled that post out of your ass, couldn’t you have aired it out a bit before you slapped it on the blog?
It really stinks…………..
“Did you even catch the point that Semite is not a race, it is an ethnic group.” Posted by: WSClark | April 07, 2007 at 11:52 PM
So when you called me a racist then, that was false then. Because you are saying that Semites are not a race.
Explain to me how Heebie Jeebie assails a non-race Ethnic Group.or Heeb for short if you wish.
:D
Why would anyone call anyone a Heebie is they did not mean it in a disrespectful manner?
Really.
If you were of Jewish ancestry, would you consider “Heebie” to be a term of endearment?
You know that it is an insult yet you try to hide behind verbiage.
You know that you meant in an anti-Semitic manner, yet you try to claim that you are not a bigot.
You know that you didn’t mean Heebie-Jeebie, because you have already stated that it was a variation on “Heeb.”
So why the hypocrisy?
Hypocrite…..
Yes, Heebie is disrespectful and it was meant to be disrespectful. It comes from Heebie Jeebie, look it up.
Heebie is not short for Hebrew. Note the addition “e” in Heebie?
Besides, you are not a Sephardic Jew from the Middle East, a descendant of Abraham. Those are the true Hebrews.
Heebie Jeebie, look it up. You will find it has absolutely nothing to do with Jews, Hebrews, Semites or anything else related to your Jewish ummm…background.
I posted the definition of Heebie Jeebie several times now and you refuse to acknowledge it, going of f on another rant.
Did you know that people call Robert Novak, the Chicago Reporter an Anti-Semite?
Guess what,he’s a practicing Jew.
How about that? Americans have no clue what they are saying when they say it.
You have already admitted that “Heevie” was a variation on “Heeb.”
It does not matter what my lineage is – quite frankly, it is none of your fuckin’ business.
You know and I know and anyone that even has the slightest interest in this blog knows that you meant it as an anti-Semitic slur. Even Dr. Huie and other at the time called you on it at the time. You know it and yet you deny it.
You have no courage, Khan. No guts.
If you are an anti-Semite, admit it. If not, denounces your comments and apologize.
Hypocrite.
Yes, with your very FIRST post addressed to me, you decided to call me a Heebie-Jeebie.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, Republican.
Do you usually call people of Semitic heritage a Heebie-Jeebie? Do you usually call ANYONE a Heebie-Jeebie?
Do people regularly beat the living shit out of you for your insults?
Do you usually hide your bigotry behind verbiage without basis?
Do you really believe your own lies?
If I’m an Anti-Semite, then why do I support the State of Israel?
If I support the State of Palestine, would that make me an Anti-Semite?
I’ll help you out, not it would not because Palestinians are of Semitic origin.
So explain how using the phrase Heebie (which comes from Heebie Jeebie) is Anti-Semitic.
You refuse to do so, you just like to label people.
It’s your thing, go ahead label me as what you want to.
It doesn’t make it true.
A nice try, pure failure on your effort though.
Republican,
“I agree climate change as nature makes climate change since the beginning of time.”
Humans RAPIDLY emit into Earth’s atmosphere HUGE amounts of carbon that had SAFELY stored underground for MILLIONS of years.
Human’s livestock emits HUGE amounts of methane (a GHG 22 times more potent than CO2) into Earth’s atmosphere.
Humans emit man-made CFC’s, HFC’s, SF6, etc (GHG’s MANY times more potent than methane) into Earth’s atmosphere.
And Republican vehemently insists, without providing ANY proof, that ALL of Earth’s warming, caused by ALL those human-added GHG’s, is just “nature”.
Republican believes that everything that humans have caused recently, is just like since the “beginning of time”.
Heh… whatever.
Jesus Fuckin’ Christ, Republican, do you even have a fuckin’ god damned clue?
Just answer the god damned question – why did you refer to me with your very first post addressed to me as “Heevie.”
You have already admitted that it was a variation on Heebie, so why the bullshitting around?
Just answer the god damned question.
Why the slur?
You know it was meant as an ethnic slur so just explain yourself.
Hypocrite.
Wrong Cosmos, pollution does have its effects. However,I’m not as naive as you to state that all Global Warming is caused from human effects.
That is what you want everyone to believe and pay tax on it.
Never seen anyone so eager to get United States on the UN tax bandwagon.
“I’ll help you out, not it would not because Palestinians are of Semitic origin.”
Hold on a few minutes folks, we are waiting for an English translation for that last post from Republican.
Asked and answered many times before WSClark.
Part of the definition of Heebie Jeebie is “Someone who gives me the creeps.”
I spelled Heebie as Heevie which is how I heard it pronounced growing up. A Hispanic friend of mine used to say it all the times. You give me the “heevie jeevies.”
Asked and answered so many times WSClark.
You must have a really thick skull.
“I’ll help you out, not it would not because Palestinians are of Semitic origin.”
Hold on a few minutes folks, we are waiting for an English translation for that last post from Republican.
Posted by: WSClark | April 08, 2007 at 01:14 AM
Change not to “no”. Sue me, it was a typo.
So tell me, Khan, why are you so god damned anti-Semitic?
Don’t try to claim that you yada, yada, yada, just explain your slurs.
Should be easy for you, right?
Even with typos.
Come on, explain why the first thought you had when you first responded to me was to call me a “Heevie.”
Of course, you might also want to explain why you continued to call me “Heevie” but I will go easy on you.
Just explain the first slur….
Hypocrite.
This is too easy now, I can just cut and paste.
Asked and answered many times before WSClark.
Part of the definition of Heebie Jeebie is “Someone who gives me the creeps.”
I spelled Heebie as Heevie which is how I heard it pronounced growing up. A Hispanic friend of mine used to say it all the times. You give me the “heevie jeevies.”
Asked and answered so many times WSClark.
You must have a really thick skull.
Jesus, do you really expect us to believe that YOU, of all people, had any friends, nonetheless a HISPANIC friend, Republican?
Christ, I could claim that I had a million friends that were right wingers and it would be more believable than you saying that you had ONE Hispanic friend.
Christ, if you are going to tell lies, at least work on them for a while before spitting them out.
Republican has a friend – and he is Hispanic.
And the check is in the mail.
Why are you prejudice against Hispanics WSClark?
Are you a biggot?
No balls, Republican, you have no balls. Even your compatriot Sanitago has the guts to admit his anti-Semitism, but you are not so well endowed.
What a loser you are…..
Grow a set, little boy!!!!
I would have a lot more respect for you if you had the courage of your convictions, but I certainly have no respect for a coward.
Grow some or go away, Republican.
Did I say anything derogatory about Hispanics, Republifucker?
Of course not, but you did say a whole lot about Jews, didn’t you?
You didn’t answer me WSClark, why do you have prejudice against Hispanics? Are you a biggot?
You used disparaging remarks against my Hispanic friend.
Why are you a biggot?
I am not a bigot, Khan. Show me the post where I have disparaged Hispanics in any way. Actually, show me where I have made any negative comments about Hispanics.
Notice the correct spelling, dumbass.
But you still have not answered as to why you referred to me as a Heevie with your very first post.
Republican, you are without a doubt an asshole in the same league as KSGolfnuts….
Hypocrite…….
I insulted you, Republican, not your imaginary Hispanic friend.
Hypocrite.
So WSClark, you’re saying that my Hispanic friend is not good enough to hang around me?
Why are you so biggoted WSClark?
There is only one “B” in bigot, Khan.
And no, I never said anything about your imaginary Hispanic friend – I only questioned why you referred to me as Heevie.
Do you usually refer to people as Heevie? Do you call your imaginary Hispanic friend Heevie?
Are you completely full of shit or is that just your after-shave?
Fuckinhypocriticalmoronassholemotherfucker.
So I can’t have Hispanic friends because you say so WSClark? Why do you hate Hispanics? Are you a Bigot?
Sorry folks, my tourette’s symptoms acts up on me when I try to converse with right wing idiots.
Everyone here knows that I love Hispanic people, so disregard the rantings of the RepukliKhan….
Give the morons little thought.
But ask yourselves – why would ANYONE refer to anyone else as “Heevie” unless they meant it as an ethnic slur.
My point exactly………
‘Night y’all….
And I will be back!!!!!
So why do you bring up the fact that I have a Hispanic friend WSClark? Are you prejudiced against Hispanics?
Why would anyone refer to anyone else as not having Hispanic friends unless they meant it as an ethnic slur?
“A Hispanic friend of mine used to say it all the times. ”
1.28 PM Republicanassholemotherfucker.
You brought up the fact that you have an imaginary Hispanic friend, KepukiliKhan, not me….
Hypocrite…..
WSClark is prejudiced against Hispanics because he says none of them can be my friends. Why does he hate Hispanics? Why is he such a bigot?
You DO sound a whole like the moron formerly known as JM, Republican.
I have to apologize. I thought you were just a run of the mill idiot, but instead, you seem to be a full fledged jerk off just like JM was.
What a coincidence!!!!!
By the way, JM/Republican/Nuts my girlfriend is Hispanic so your comments about hatred of Hispanics is just more bullshit…..
Liar……
WSClark,
Why would anyone refer to anyone else as not having Hispanic friends unless they meant it as an ethnic slur?
Jeez, can you please have someone interpret that for us, Khan…..
You do not have any Hispanic friends…. you do not have any Semitic friends….. you do not have any African American friends…. you do not have any Native friends…..
….all because you have NO friends….
and you have no friends because you are a lying hypocrite….
Christ, even a blind man could see that……
Jeez, can you please have someone interpret that for us, Khan…..Posted by: WSClark | April 08, 2007 at 03:07 AM
Sure WSClark, I’ll explain it. It’s the statement you used, but I plugged in Hispanic.
So WSClark – Why would anyone refer to anyone else as not having Hispanic friends unless they meant it as an ethnic slur?
Say what, JM?
Jesusfuckingchrist, Khan!!!! Have you gone totally off the deep end?
What does this mean???????????
“Why would anyone refer to anyone else as not having Hispanic friends unless they meant it as an ethnic slur?”
Jesus, even George W Bush would think that was a stupid comment.
I have a Hispanic girlfriend – why would I be biased against Hispanics you fuckinmoronicassholeidiot?
Christ, even GWB isn’t as stupid as you are…….
Duh, Republican….. because any right thinking Hispanic person would hate your guts just on general principles?
Asstampon…………….
You have a Hispanic girlfriend because you want to show your racial superiority? Why do you refer to Hispanic? Is it important for you to do that so you can hide your bigotry towards Hispanics? Having an Hispanic girlfriend doesn’t mean your not a bigot, just means you want to have sex with them.
So why are you prejudiced against my Hispanic friend WSClark?
Jeez, your are one weird mothafucka, who ever you are. No one in their right mind can even figure out what the ‘fuq’ you are talking about.
Christ, do you have a point to make or are you just bushing on us?
Damn, you are truly stupid.
A girlfriend is a lot more than just sex. Of course that is why you have never married.
Anyway, you have NO friends, Republican. You sit at you keyboard and get the buttons all sticky with your fantasies….
As for me, my HISPANIC girlfriend would like me to come to bed, so …….
see you little bigot boy!!!!!!!
Pleasant dreams WSClark,
Try not to let your bigotry to get in way of your life.
I see WS spent hours yesterday in name-calling mode again, and STILL trying to stir up trouble.
…sigh…
CapnCrunch says:
“Meshugenah has had his ass kicked every which way from Sunday by you, Farmie, CF2K, and me. He’s a flipping chew toy.”——————–
The cut-and-run crew is staying true to form.
Have I ever mentioned that they were the worst offenders of their little list of foot-stomping, hissy-fit demands?
You ignore the ones on your side doing the exact same thing.
Note who had the FINAL word again in this blog. It wasn’t WS.
Note who had the FINAL word again in this blog. It wasn’t WS.
Posted by: political_mom | April 08, 2007 at 05:05 AM
That’s because he thought he could outlast me and he couldn’t. :D
Watches the WS puppet no longer dancing, but slowly twisting around on its strings.
“I know you are but what am I?”“I know you are but what am I”.“No, I know you are but what am I?”.“I know you are but what am I?”“I know you are but what am I?… infinity!”.
WS Clark wrote:”JDicks, when you pulled that post out of your ass, couldn’t you have aired it out a bit before you slapped it on the blog?
It really stinks…………..”
OH!! The truth hurts doesn’t it!
But obviously I don’t have my head near as far up my ass as you do….
Well, hehehehehe, it is obvious that GS is really pissed that the libs came back. She seems to think that we would NOT come back unless our “demands” (hehehehe, read requests) were met.
I think that just shows AGAIN what a damned liar she is. The boycott was set, from the very first day, to end on April 1, no matter what.
So… she was either LYING about having a “mole” or she is LYING now because if she had a “mole” the mole would have told her about the set end date.
Hell, we even talked about it on the other blog. You know, the one GS NEVER reads? hehehehehehehehehe
I think her whining here about the intelligent posters coming back is just hysterical. And even after the original letter to the WE editors was posted, and their very respectful response was posted too…
…she STILL wants to spin the lie that we stomped off in some “hissy fit” (project much?) and the WE editors somehow DISSED us in their reply?
heheheheheheeheheheheheheheheheheh
Too funny. A GREAT example of repuke twisting of the truth. I wont bore readers here by re-posting the letters exchanged by the boycotters and Phillip.
I’m going to assume her “mole” heheheh already told her, and she choses to ignore it. Regular readers here can read too GS, so give up the lies.
She has been proven a liar regarding Tracy, she has been proven liar regarding me, she has lies untold times about the boycott and the boycotters.
GS, like condor, here is a litte friendly advise. Just because you THINK you are a slick liar, doesnt mean you are.
You are like a child who stomps their feet, denies the truth, and continues to lie saying “that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it. Damn the FACTS”.
Face it GS, you are not the blog owner. What part of “we want you back” from Phillip did you not understand?
Or do you want to insult Phillip by saying he was insincere? What does your “inside source” at the WE say? heheheheheeheheheheheheh
Pitiful, just pitiful.
FarmFap, fap, fap.