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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted April 4, 2007 at 1:04 a.m.
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Anyone else think Pat hit the nail on the head with this one?
“Shut Up, Troops & Generals. We Democrats Must Have Defeat Or We Won’t Win The Presidency
Iraq is so much clearer from D.C. Don’t kid yourself, the Dems don’t actually believe that. They don’t actually believe they know better. They know that they don’t really know s**t about what is going on in Iraq, let alone what to do about it. Just months ago, Nancy Pelosi was denying Al Qaeda was there. . The truth is, they just don’t care. They only care about brainwashing America into believing that Iraq is an absolutely lost cause that only merits retreat; and it’s all the Republicans’ fault. So vote Democratic. That’s all Iraq and the lives of the young Americans fighting and dying over there has ever meant to them.
Just one example of Democratic treason and treachery: Instead of being upset at sectarian strife that was manipulated by Al Qaeda and waged not by the Iraqi people at large, but only by a few gangs, the Democrats got woodies at the evil opportunity to mislabel it a civil war. And label it that they did. In a poll published in the Times of London last week, 72% of Iraqis dismissed the falsity of a civil war – they said, no, it’s not happening.
What’s the penalty for treason again?”
http://www.patdollard.com/2007/03/28/shut-up-troops-generals-we-democrats-must-have-defeat-or-we-wont-win-the-presidency/
Looks like GS is finally starting to realize we’re loosing. A little bitter this morning?
GS_ I’m not so sure you want to use Dollard as a spokesperson to support your opinion: (Really doesn’t sound like he lives the values you do!!)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/05/AR2007030501395.html
Pat Dollard, Hollywood Guy Gone GonzoBy Peter Carlson Washington Post Staff WriterTuesday, March 6, 2007;After his fourth wife left him because she got upset about his hobbies, which included cocaine and hookers, Hollywood agent/producer Pat Dollard decided to get his head together by flying to Iraq to hang out with Marines and fight insurgents and film a pro-war documentary that would make him “the Michael Moore of the right.”A few weeks later, he sent his Hollywood pals a photo of himself with a Mohawk haircut, a machine gun and the word DIE shaved into his chest hair. After that, things started to get weird.
Dollard, 42, admits all this stuff — and much, much more! — in a wonderfully bizarre profile in the March issue of Vanity Fair. It’s the strange story, writes author Evan Wright, of how “a confessed whore-loving, alcoholic, coked-out Hollywood agent” became “the great hope of conservative America.”"Pat Dollard is the only person I know in Hollywood who’s crazier than me,” says actor Billy Bob Thornton, who was one of his clients back when Dollard was an Armani-wearing agent. He had a unique business style: He’d treat colleagues and prospective clients to what he calls “non-wedding-connected bachelor parties with drugs and hookers.”The booze and dope fueled many crazy antics, and in the spring of 2004, cops handcuffed Dollard and carted him off to the psych unit of an L.A. hospital.”Around this time he began his political conversion,” Wright notes. “Somewhere between the Roman orgy and the mental ward he became a staunch supporter of George W. Bush’s.”He showed his support for the war in Iraq by accessorizing his Hummer with a vanity plate that read US WINS. Then, after another epic binge of cocaine and call girls, he went to Iraq to shoot a documentary.Somehow he got embedded with a group of Marines, who gave him an affectionate nickname, unprintable here. One day while the Marines were on patrol in a town called Musayyib, Dollard encountered an Iraqi selling whiskey. He bought three bottles, got crazy drunk and ripped a sign off a mosque, which angered the locals and sparked a gunfight. On another occasion, according to Dollard and several Marines, he walked into a pharmacy, showed the owner his gun and stole a cache of drugs, including liquid Valium, which he shared with some of the Marines.In March 2005, Dollard returned to Los Angeles and began editing his 243 hours of videotape into a movie called “Young Americans.” He also announced that he was starting his own anti-jihadi movement.”I’m a warrior, dude,” he told Wright. “My role is to fight the battle against Islamic fundamentalist Fascism.”Alas, his progress as both warrior and filmmaker stalled when he went on another epic booze-and-dope binge. When he got out of rehab, he hired an ex-con to keep him sober but the two of them ended up smoking meth and making a porn movie starring Dollard and the ex-con’s girlfriend.Meanwhile, he showed parts of his still-unfinished film to conservative activists and soon he was hanging out with Ann Coulter and appearing on Fox’s “Hannity & Colmes,” jabbering about Iraq and evil Hollywood liberals.
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also:One of Pat Dollard’s ex-wives told the New York Times:”He’d rather deal with a fantasy than a reality. Reality is very difficult.
“Democratic treason and treachery”
Anybody who doesn’t agree with GS is guilty of “treason and treachery”? GS, unlike you I fought and shed blood for this country. There’s my credentials.
Where’s yours?
Hey – what’s with all the defensiveness this morning, guys?
It’s an article – nothing more.
If you disagree – great.If you agree – great.
But don’t personalize it.
XXX – since when was ‘fighting for’ this country a prerequisite to stating one’s opinion?
I think the First Amendment guarantees we ALL have that right, regardless of military status.
Doesn’t it?
xxx:
You are asking GS to deliver another self aggrandizing rant about her patriotism and contributions to society … we may regret it.
Thanks for your service — I did my time too, gladly.
No where in my post did I attack you — just provided a counterpoint — you just don’t want to hear it — don’t take it so personally. Sorry if pointing out your hypocrisy troubles you.
I didn’t say you ‘attacked,’ did I?
Where did you come up with that? I specifically addressed XXX with a question, and while I welcome your responses, too, I wasn’t really asking you.
XXX asked what my ‘credentials’ were – I responded.
Sheesh – take a chill pill.
Yep, to the uninitiated, Pat Dollard may seem like someone to quote, but to anyone who knows anything about Dollard, any quotes by him should be taken with a gram of coke. That how you buy his bs, GS?
The typical rant by the cons is if you ain’t with us, you’re guilty of treason. Good grief, talk about throwing any and all intelligent dialogue out the window, and trying to turn the whole thing into a sand-box fight. But isn’t that typical neo-con rhetoric?
bush started the war in an attempt to finish what his daddy was too smart to do. That, in a nut shell (bush’s head), is what the war in Iraq is all about. Everything else, WMD, sarin gas, etc., is nothing but a smoke screen meant to fool the American people. Looks like the bushites are the only ones fooled.
“Hey – what’s with all the defensiveness this morning, guys?”
Hmmm sounds like you were going after both of us —
I just love the way you can effectively talk out of both sides of your mouth without moving your lips …..
You can’t stand to see your point of view refuted or discredited can you?
So GSheridan is quoting Pat Dollard? No shock there.
Here’s a nice takedown of Pat Dollard by Jeff over at Rigorous Intuition. It shows Dollard as the meth smoking, fascist mouthpiece he is. It is not a pretty picture.
http://rigint.blogspot.com/2007/02/shock-of-awe-part-two.html
You may want to choose your friends more carefully, GSheridan. And if you’re going to try to be provocative, try harder. It’s three days in and your performance thus far has been decidedly less than impressive.
Dollard sounds like a Republican President in the making, move over GWB.
Thankfully the FCC has voted to continue the ban on cellphones on flights! It is bad enough in the airports where at least you can walk away from the thoughtless people yammering away non-stop. Many people seem to think it is necessary to yell into their cell phone so their conversation is shared with everyone within 50 feet.
I could not imagine being stuck next to a “I am so important I must babble into my cellphone all the time” type for hours on a flight. Talk about air rage….!
GS is the absolute arbiter of what people should think and feel. Did you guys get here late or something?
Funny that anyone should take offense at being accused of treason.
I agree. The dreams of the thousand year republican reich are over, and the bitterness is overwhelming the loyal bushies.
Apparantly, their legal bills could be just as overwhelming as their bitterness.
Oh and Ken, you forgot one of the “new rules”. One may not address the blog queen without permission.
Oh, this is lovely. Can’t say I’m surprised.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/02/AR2007040201568.html
The next time Republican intones that “people who aren’t doing anything wrong won’t have anything to worry about,” will whoever gets there first smack him with a rolled newspaper?
!@#$%^&* sign-in!
And so it begins. The question now is, how long until the Eagle starts pounding their ink drum to keep the arena tax? I told you so. I told you so.
“”I don’t think people want to hear about a property tax increase,” Norton said. “We either wait for the Legislature to allow us to impose sales taxes on our own, or we wait for the arena sales tax to end. That could pay for a whole lot of public safety.”
Buyers in Sedgwick County already pay a 1 percent sales tax to finance the downtown arena. That tax ends Dec. 31.”
http://www.nbc4.com/news/11516096/detail.html?dl=headlineclick
Hehehehe
KKKARL ROVE PELTED BY STUDENT PROTEST
WASHINGTON — White House Advisor Karl Rove was the target of a protest on the American University campus Tuesday night, News4 reported.
Rove was on the campus to talk to the College Republicans, but when he got outside more than a dozen students began throwing things at him and at his car, an American University spokesperson said.
The students then got on the ground and laid down in front of his car as a protest.
The students said security officials picked them up and carried them away so Rove could leave.
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They should have tried to put an army helmet on him and thrust a rifle into his hands.
THAT would have made the chicken-hawk soil himself . . .
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1604931.ece
“The latest massacre of Iraqi children came as 21 Shia market workers were ambushed, bound and shot dead north of the capital. The victims came from the Baghdad market visited the previous day by John McCain, the US presidential candidate, who said that an American security plan in the capital was starting to show signs of progress.”
Hey, thanks a lot, McCain.
You got over twenty people killed to help your run for president.
POS.
Heheheh. John Dukakis.
He may be wearing a flak jacket, but his future’s so bright he’s gotta wear shades….
Yeah, funny you dont hear much about the killing in the aftermath of his visit to that oh so safe market.
Must be that damned liberal media again….
Well. Apparently, Iran will be letting the British hostages go.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/04/world/middleeast/04cnd-iran.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
As Juan Cole noted, Ahmadinejhad has been in a weakening position internally, and needed something to rally the citizens. Having done so, he gets to play the good guy on the international stage.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/04/03/iran/index_np.html
I’m thinking Bush and Cheney are punching the walls in the Oval Office and the Undisclosed Location, respectively, having been deprived of their latest Causus Belli.
“In a poll published in the Times of London last week, 72% of Iraqis dismissed the falsity of a civil war”
Isn’t that a double-negative? Dismissed the falsity….does that mean they disagreed that it was false?
Last year, I suggested that Open Thread should be posted daily. Look what happened!
Now, I suggest that Vaughn Tolle should be given a weekly or semi-weekly WE column, and a daily WEBlog. Why? Because he needs more work. :) JK. He’s somebody who can see an issue at large.
If you agree with my perspective on this one, send your emails to Phillip and Randy, and post your vote on every Open Thread for the next month. Also send emails to McClatchy management. Every week.
Hey – what’s with all the defensiveness this morning, guys?
GSheridan | April 04, 2007 at 05:31 AM
I think maybe it’s the fact that you insinuated that all those opposed to the war are traitors. Nice backpeddling though, once you realized that your source is a whacked out druggie porn star.
Really? Is Pat Dollard a pen name for Jeff Gannon? Or Matt Sanchez?
It’s kinda hard to keep those republican porn stars straight, heheheh, so to speak…
That, in a nut shell (bush’s head)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-I’m gonna remember that!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070404/wl_nm/iraq_dc
I guess this would be the “stay the course” success strategy of the war of choice?
No matter where the troops go, the fighting just steps a little bit away. Imagine what will happen when we withdraw? The only way to stop them from filling the gaps is perpetual war. A thought that no doubt gives bush and cheney a surge in their pants.
But of course, no one is willing to admit that if we didnt tit, they wouldnt tat.
Last night, KPTS broadcast an “Independent Lens” show about Chinese denim-jeans workers’ essential slavery. Teenage-girl workers recruited from the rural hinterland. Putting in 18 hour days. Taking home 10 cents a day. The “free market” at its best. Republicans and Libertarians who want “free markets”? Fine. Let’s reduce military spending to protect America’s borders. That means, let Iraqis figure out how to solve their own problems and take advantage of their rich oil resources–same for Iran. If their oil is too expensive under this, America can say, “Fine, we have ginormous wind, solar, nuclear, ocean and geothermal energy resources, plus the smarts to figure out how to conserve, and thus extend our energy resources at 10 times the measure we are doing now.”
Oh, and just in case GS and her “sources” are lurking around here…
…I see the incumbent WaKeeney mayor LOST like a big dog to a three time previous loser for elective office. heheheheh
So with the city council elections, every swinging person on that city council who voted to abolish my board and I, has been defeated.
And did I mention the entire city council, the mayor, and the city and county attorney are under investigation for various crimes while in office?
GS’s “source” should be very worried when the dirty laundry hits the air :) Because I understand that the investigations are being expanded to include “other” elected officials.
Like county commissioners? hehehehe Because you know, two thirds of them, who voted against economic development when they first took office, are up for election in 08.
I’m willing to bet one wont run. The other is in my district. heheh
Can you say “ass whoopin’?” Yeah, I thought you could.
I think just in general 2008 is going to be so.much.fun.
Well, it’s been fun, but I gotta go plant more taters and onions before the big snow :)
…and I suppose I’ll stop in town to gloat a little with my fellow political insurgents.
heheheheheheheh!!!!!!!
Oh yeah, it’s a good day to live in Trego county!!!!!
I don’t know what is going on and I really don’t care. Acting like children contributes nothing to the subject. A stranger reading this would think he had stumbled onto a Jr. High chat line. No, my 15 year old granddaughter is more mature than the behavior I see here.
Some people want to see a serious subject discussed.
Yesterday I posted some news that you have yet to see on mainstream liberal media about Diane Feinstein. I have enclosed a link with the story. As you can tell by the last paragraph this is not a right wing source. What is the most ethical congress and senate doing about this?
Hipocracy your slip is showing.
http://www.metroactive.com/metro/03.21.07/dianne-feinstein-resigns-0712.html
Granny hold your breetches on, there will be an investigation (because Dems do hold their own’s feet to the fire unlike another group that just got unelected).
No apologies, no excuses.
See how easy that was?
Yeah germie, I noticed yesterday that you tried to equate Duke Cunningham’s CONVICTION for taking BRIBES with Feinstein serving on a committee that awards defense contracts for which her husband’s firm was competing.
See any difference there? Accusations of conflict of interest vs. CONVICTION for bribery?
Must be those mean ol’ act-ee–vist judges and the oh so liberal judiciary and that communist left leaning media.
Big eye roll.
Just keep spinning germie. Wait until the HALLIBURTON no bid contracts are investigated and the truth comes out about why Carol Lam was REALLY fired.
Oh, and Feinstein voluntarily resigned. The dishonest repukes?
They wait until they are convicted and then BOOTED out of office.
Ok, some took offence at Pat Dollard’s comments – but are the wrong?
If the United States DOES win the war in Iraq, DOES come home successful, the Dems will take a hit, politically.
Won’t they?
Aren’t the Dems currently running of the anti-war fever?
The problem comes when their agenda to get elected is in diametric opposition to the strategy of our nation’s war.
Because any actions taken to bolster their ’cause,’ may come at the cost of our military goals.
What will happen if the Surge continues to be as successful as it is showing signs of being?
ksgrm – Hopefully, they will have a full-scale investigation into Lady Diane and her financial conflicts of interest very soon. I wouldn’t be surprised if this blows the lid off the so-called moral high-ground the Dems have been claiming.
Defense-Gate. Feingate? Wonder what ‘gate’ name it will get?
Farmgirl instead of ranting at GS spend the time looking at what really happened. She (Feinstein) resigned from the committee she was sharing. She is still in the senate waiting for the next opportunity.
My question where is the mainstream media on this? Have you seen a story? I haven’t. This news source is a small left wing source in her own state and still deafening silence from our major news sources.
Save your juvenile names for someone who appreciates them. You are so quick to jump on someone else but have the proverbile thin skin when someone mentions your name. You, Pmom and the others you dragged back from your exile have succeeded in wrecking an informative blog. How many more do you think you will run off before your old friend Phillip realized who the real violators are?
Excuse me, I didn’t drag anyone back I came on my own. And I did not participate on the other board either.
I don’t feel I personally did anything to deserve this sort of response from you.
In case you seem to have been MIA, KFG and I don’t exactly get along. And it’s not because I haven’t tried.
GS- nobody wants the US to lose the war. No matter what you say, a good outcome does not negate what a horrible administration Bush has.
And one Diane mistake does not make up even a portion of the snakish shit your side has done in the past 6 years. So please, give it up. Even if she did take all the contracts for her hubby it won’t be a drop in the bucket comparatively.
Good post, ksgrm, why is Feinstein being tolerated at all?
Where is the outrage over her dubious ethics?
Has our liberal media become so entrenched in damage control for the Democratic Party that they can no longer be objective?
PM, I have to disagree about your assessment that no one wants us to lose. In fact, anti-military, an anti-American rhetoric is rampant in the liberal world.
I’m NOT linking you to those individuals. I KNOW you love your country.
But with some others – it is pretty hard to tell.
ksgrm,
I’ve been reading and posting here for about a month. I came AFTER the big schism and don’t know all the history of it. I think that makes me uniquely qualified to comment on the quality of this blog while ksgarmgrrl and the others were gone. And I can tell you that it wasn’t all that informative and there wasn’t much here left to be wrecked. Pick any thread during that time and you’ll find Republican randomly shifting between his absurd “reasonable” persona and his “village idiot” persona. You’ll find fleetwood prancing around constantly taking measure of the size of everyone’s balls. You’ll find endless Clinton blaming and constant denial of there being anything wrong with anything under the Steady Stewardship of George W. Bush! What you won’t find much of is an informative blog waiting to be wrecked.
But you think almost everyone who thinks like me is anti-american and anti-military.
Yeah, there are some who take it way far, but I think their sentiment is grounded with good intentions. I cannot think of ONE liberal who has said “I want the USA to be invaded and attacked”.
But I can surely think of some neocons who have said they want us to be attacked.
SO I could turn the tables on you and say if we pull out, will you be rooting for us to get attacked as an “I told you so?”
See how that plays out?
No, we want out of this war for the GOOD of our nation and our military.
Get back to Afghanistan and finish the real dang war.
“Granny hold your breetches on, there will be an investigation (because Dems do hold their own’s feet to the fire unlike another group that just got unelected).”
Pmom this was your post. My name is not grannie anymore than your is PeePee. The republicans don’t wait for the trial. Look at Cunningham(R)- out before trial. Delay(R) – out and trial hasn’t been held yet, William Jefferson (D)found with $100,000 of bribery money in freezer, didn’t resign, no hearing, received appointment to higher position, Harry Reid (D) received Abramhoff money, funded a $1,000,000 bridge from Nevada to land he owns in Topock, Arizona, no censure, now head of senate, I could go on but I think you get the picture.
Pardon me if I am skeptical. History has shown this to be true. Republicans kick our own out when they become tainted.
The one about Diane making one mistake is a good bit of humor this morning. She has been doing this for 6 years. The same mistake over and over again huh? Maybe she was caught in a time warp and just kept doing it over and over again.
Well, Condor – that surely wasn’t a biased post.
uh-huh
I mean, no one could tell where YOU stand, politically, from that.
lol
Yeah and she got caught on the dems watch too.
So you take issue with me calling you Grammy? I guess I better tell my Grammy it’s an insult?
Isn’t that what KsGRM stands for?Didn’t you say yourself you’re a grandma?
I don’t get offended when someone calls me mom or mama, or mommy.
Seriously, good grief now you’re just looking for stuff to bitch about.
“William Jefferson (D)found with $100,000 of bribery money in freezer, didn’t resign, no hearing”
That was because REPUBLICANS blocked the investigation. I guess they felt they didn’t want their own houses open for search.
ksgrm,
DeLay wasn’t pushed out by his principled fellow party members. Quite the opposite, actually. The VERY FIRST VOTE of the triumpant new Congress of 2004 was a vote to change the House rules to allow DeLay to retain his leadership post even if he was indicted. That was the very first vote. And the GOP cowards rigged it so that their votes weren’t recorded and they wouldn’t have to answer for it to their constituents.
And DeLay wasn’t pushed out by his colleagues. He stayed in office long enough to pretend to raise money for his reelection campaign so that he could use it for his defense fund. Ain’t it just like the bug man to cynically manipulate the finance rules and screw his own donors right up until his final second in office.
Pmom, big difference here, you’re not my grandchild. I don’t have issues. Actually enjoy discussions with you. Still wonder why you wanted me to donate my kidney though but let that one pass. I am a organ donor though if I am through using them and they are useful to others.
Sorry if I come off a little offended. The thread the last couple of days sets me off.
NO offense taken.
You really don’t understand the point I was trying to make with the kidney?
I will explain it again, if you’re serious about it.
Condor when you quote things like you just did how can you be refuted. A hidden vote and they let you in on it. Thats interesting.
Pmom actually what the repubs did was stop the FBI from obtaining evidence from his his congressional office. They thought it would start a bad example. I don’t agree with them. The evidence that would convict him was in his office and it was given back.
My point is that the dems had to know he is quilty but instead of him stepping down he was rewarded.
I really did’t understand but was probably having a senior day. I’m allowed one a week.
Ok I guess I always thought you were trying to antagonize me, I’m sorry you didn’t really get the point about the kidney.
The point I was trying to make *and I’m sorry for turning this into an abortion thread*…
When a woman who does not want to get pregnant ends up pregnant, for whatever reason, she is essentially donating her body to that baby to save it’s life. The baby survives only because it lives off the mother.
IF life is so important and valuable as that this woman cannot choose what happens to her own body, to FORCE her to be a life support system for something she wishes not be…
Then how is it any different than forcing someone to give their body to someone who is dying in a hospital bed right now? To hook themselves up for however long that treatment takes for….in theory, you could be a kidney for someone with renal failure…they could hook your blood vessels up to the person in the bed, and you could be dialysis for that patient, attached to it all the time, in essense that person’s life support. That person has a life, possibly children, possibly a future, they make a difference in someone else’s life NOW… and losing that person is a whole lot bigger of an issue to me than someone sucking out a bunch of cells.
So I’m saying, forced donation of body parts…kidneys, you’ve got two….
I’ll continue…
So what are the excuses one has for not wanting to hang around 9 months to be life support for someone in a hospital?
Got family to take care of? Got a job and career and can’t afford it? Got other things that need done? Simply are afraid of the health reprocussions to your own body?
Those are all reasons why women get abortions. But they’re viewed as silly when we reference abortion.
So I’m saying apply that to asking ‘well why the heck not’ when I ask you to give up your kidney right now. See, you don’t get to choose your timeline…you don’t get to choose your circumstances. You just have to do it or else.
Now I”m past my bedtime once again.
Tata.
GS, I have no problem with you spouting your “opinion” though it’s not really yours. You just do a lot of cut and paste. It’s how you throw terms like “treason” and “treachery” at people who don’t agree with your narrow views.I fought for your right to your opinion. What have you ever done for your country?
Funny thing about conservatives. Mostly, the ones who so vigorusly support war are the ones who have never been in one.
Lots of chickenhawks.
Maybe Political Mom’s kidney will grow up and be President one day.
Maybe Political Mom’s kidney will grow up and be President one day.
Posted by: Republican | April 04, 2007 at 11:29 AM
It would be an improvement over the current rectum holding that office.
I don’t have time to get you the absolute best source on the DeLay rule change, but just google “DeLay Rule” and you’ll get a bunch of hits.
Or there’s this comical thread at Talking Points Memo in which Josh Marshall reports on his readers ongoing attempts to nail down how their respective Representatives voted on the rule change: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_11_14.php
This rule change was the VERY FIRST vote following the 2004 election. And almost no Republican Representatives wanted to be caught on record admitting which way they voted. Ponder that before you tell me again how Republican’s police their own.
But Tom, I thought you were all about equality not name calling. :)
Guess not.
More Marshall Magic Moments Condor? Hired assassin for Liberals. Yeah, that’s a good source. :)
Republican,
Your comment about PMom’s kidney was a clever bit of sarcastic satire. My response was more of the same. So sorry you have trouble with that. :)
“WASHINGTON — White House Advisor Karl Rove was the target of a protest on the American University campus Tuesday night, News4 reported.”
Rove was on the campus to talk to the College Republicans, but when he got outside more than a dozen students began throwing things at his car, an American University spokesperson said.”
http://www.nbc4.com/news/11516096/detail.html
Do others on this thread see the problem that is happening on our college campuses today. If you don’t agree with a speaker, hit them with a pie, jeer so loudly they can speak, throw rocks at them, etc… We all see the headlines. Reporters seem to take pleasure in reporting these kinds of stories.
Is this the type of behavior we want our kids to come out of college demonstrating. What is this preparing them for. If you don’t like someone’s opinion, get rid of them. This smacks of a dictatorship style of government. I hope this is something we can all agree on whether the target is liberal or conservative.
Mark! I saw the same program. And yes it is quite sad, but there is a bright light to the whole thing, in that conditions have vastly improved in China.
The denim jeans workers used to get paid a lot less 5 years ago, now their pay has increased 10X since then.
They are not forced to work. That is slavery. They choose to work and the reason why they choose to work 18 hours a day sometimes, is because they get paid by the piece and the factory only runs when it has orders. When it has no orders, the factory shuts down completely. So the workers try to maximize as much as they can before the shut down.
While China has a lot to go before they equal the labor standards of the west, especially in factory China. They are at least getting there. The United States went through the same growing pains back in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s.
They are a developing nation and by 2050, they will probably surpass the USA in GDP and in labor standards and pay. You will see a flock of Americans going over to China to find work, and actually they are doing that now. Big City China have people that recieve pay equal to that of the USA.
NPR did a story on that. Where young professionals in Shanghi, doing IT jobs and Marketing are making the same pay as their US counterparts at $60k a year.
So I disagree with you that that garment factories are slave houses. The workers can go anytime and work any hours they want. It isn’t no different here. Where many Americans work well over 40 hours a week without overtime pay or have two jobs. Even in Union Shops, like Cessna Aircraft Company, when I worked there, we worked 12 hours a day, everyday with only one weekend off a month and it was mandatory.
Welcome to work.
Tom,
Calling someone or anyone a rectum is hardly satire. It’s just name calling.
Republican,
Yes, yes, yes. We all know Talking Points Memo doesn’t have the Wingnut Seal of Approval. But what happened to the Republican who cried and whined and stamped his feet and called Cosmos a “character assasin” when Cosmos pointed out that many of your sources for your anti-Global Warming cut and paste jobs were non-scientists incorrectly interpreting scientific data, or were scientists who worked for industries with a vested interest in denying the scientific consensus around global warming?
I don’t think you’re a character assasin for your knee jerk dismissal of Talking Points Memo. I just think you’re willfully ignorant and proud of it.
Hey XXX,
Iwas for the war, we won it! We are now training the Iraqi forces to protect themselves, all in all that seems to be working. Slower than we’d like, but progressing.
I’d like to know why the libs think we’re losing! As far as the time lines that we have set, we’ve met them.
The Senate confirms in a bipartisan way the new general then they immediately undercut him by trying to force a date for complete withdrawal.
So, we’re winning in Iraq. Do you want to know how to measure our success? Easy. All you have to do is observe how desperately the democrat traitors in congress try to undercut our president and the troops. The more sucessful we appear, the more desperate the become!
Hank
PS I’ll email my credentials privately on request.
KSGRMWhere were you in the 60s? That sort of stuff went on all the time. Is it right? No. But college students have been protesting, often going over the line, forever. In France they riot in the streets. Hey, lighten up, it is spring and the sap is flowing.
I didn’t whine and stamp my feet Condor, you just wished I had.
What happened with Cosmos is I successfully took apart Al Gore’s Larsen B Ice Shelf theory and it exploded his myth-trusting faith in the Goracle in just one swoop.
Cosmos is a legend in his own mind, saying he is right 100 percent of the time. I proved him wrong and he’s steaming about it.
Yes, Marshall is a perverter of the American way. He is a neo-neoLib who enjoys the warm fuzzies of the UN and wishes we could be more Socialistic as a country like the old Soviet Union. Marshall champions terrorists and lampoons his own countrymen as what’s wrong with the world.
Marshall is what’s wrong with the world; unpatriotic Socialistic far leftist who thinks the world owes him a living.
Hank offers us a classic case study in magically self-correcting Republican logic.
His one measure of success for the outcome of an ongoing war is how upset his domestic political opposition is at the conduct of the ongoing war.
I guess this means the more you f*ck up the war the more you win. Or something.
Whatever.
Condor–Great post.
I was trying to wrap my mind around how to refute Hank’s “black is really white and up is down” post, but you nailed it.
Hank says the US won the Iraq War.
Not really.
The US military won the mechanized, set-piece battles by using overwhelming force against a weak opposition. Those battles were an awesome display of the combined forces, the command & control our generals have, and the intelligence operations that were run against the Iraqi army in the months leading up to the fighting.
The *war* has not yet been won, however. At this point, it’s almost impossible to even know what the war’s objective is. There have been so many objectives over the past four years, it’s hard to even keep track of them. The fighting and killing goes on non-stop.
The war will be won when the killing stops, when the opposition surrenders, and when Iraq has its own independent government, whatever form that takes.
Dennis in the 60’s I was a high school student. I remember the Chicago 7, the Kent State shootings, Haight Asbury, tear gassing of students.
I don’t call this normal behavior. It was a dark time in our history and from it came a generation of parents who lived by the mantra ‘if it feels good do it’. Their parenting skills were as sloppy as their personal habits.
Communes where LSD and pot were served up more oftern that meals were the accepted norm. It is becoming more prevalent not less. I think that this type of behavior shouldn’t be tolerated. I didn’t send my kids to college to learn how to hate. The media encourages this type of behavior by glorifying it.
I think in the end society will suffer for it.
Republican,
AGAIN with the neo-lib thing. We’ve been over this before, and yet you continue to make a fool of yourself on this point.
Neo-lib does not mean what you think it means. In fact, it means pretty much the exact opposite of what you think it means. Just because you often see neo appended to such terms as nazi and conservative, neo isn’t a pejorative prefix. Calling liberals neo-libs won’t make them cry. It will make them laugh. At you.
I know this must be upsetting, but think of me as the friend you tells you things you don’t want to hear. Like you have spinach in your teeth or toilet paper stuck to your shoe. Or a boneheaded predeliction towards using words you don’t understand… and then persisting in it even when it makes you look like an idiot.
Ksgrm I agree about the “protestors” behavior. It’s quite ridiculous and childish. Whatever happened to peaceful protest? Or working the system from within? Throwing items and throwing yourself down on the ground is something a two-year-old with a temper tantrum does, not a mature adult with a difference of opinion.
Ignore the 50,000 to 100,000 refugees “voting with their feet” to leave the democratic paradise we’ve created.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6470425.stm
Ignore the perhaps half a million civilian deaths so far, at least 100,000 of them directly related to the US military.
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~chazelle/politics/bib/lancet.pdf
Ignore the fact that the number of American deaths continues to rise. That more helicopters have been taken down recently. And that we spend more in a month than Paul Wolfowitz claimed we’d spend on the entire war.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Iraq_Civilian_Slaughter_Grows_999.html
Ignore the fact that the just the amount that we in Kansas spend on the war could have provided EVERY CHILD IN KANSAS WITH FULLY FUNDED HEALTH CARE for the last four years.
Hank is right. The war is a sucess. All you have to do is ignore the facts . . .
I meant to add 50-100,000 refugees A MONTH fleeing Iraq.
Dennis I see your point but on the other hand, who is one of the most infamous protestors that is still remembered to this day and has made some of the biggest changes in history? Martin Luther King and he was a peaceful protestor. He didn’t have to throw things or have a hissy fit. He simply walked through the streets of Birmingham and spoke to others about the things he thought that our country could be. You could also look at Ghandi, I think he was probably the most peaceful of all! I just don’t see the point of what these protestors did. When most people see that kind of activity, they’ll walk the other way, so who are they actually spreading their message to?
ksgrm,
Reading the last couple posts from you I get the impression you view your political opponents as drug crazed versions of Alfred on Little House on the Prarie. In your delusional world all liberals are guilty of burning down the school for the blind because we’re all in the basement smoking a stolen pipe.
I doubt many people here will get that reference, but I don’t really care. It made me laugh. Just like ksgrm’s world view that seems to have been formed almost entirely by Bush speeches and after school specials.
If it counts for anything, I don’t condone violent protests at all, and I don’t personally know anyone who does. The VAST majority of the political protests in this country is peaceful. I don’t hear you bemoaning the lack of reporting on those protests.
For that matter, it’s very strange that you’re upset by the fact that these incidents are being reported on. You think this means the media encourages such behavior by reporting on it. Can you not see the difference between reporting facts and celebrating them? And as long as you’re bemoaning the glorification of bad behavior in the media, I’m sure you’ll join me in expressing disgust at the fact that Rupert Murdoch’s media empire is based almost exclusively on sensational tabloids and trashy tv shows. And that’s not even counting FOX “News”
Just to carry my last point a little further, I’ve always been amused by the spectacle of social conservatives parading across the sound stages of FOX News, tut tutting the entertainment industry for all the trashy craven entertainment it produces. And none of them ever seem to notice that Rupert Murdoch built his media empire on a solid foundation of trash. Married with Children was the cornerstone of FOX Television. I’m a liberal and I hated that show for it’s craven depiction of women, marriage, parenting, friendship and professional responsibilities. But I guess Britt Hume finds that Ol’ Unlce Rupert’s checks cash all the same no matter how he makes the money.
That’s the exact reason that I don’t watch Fox News even though I tend to lean towards the conservative side. I don’t understand how anyone (my parents included in this group) can believe all of the news given by an organization that also owns the Fox Network with all of the trash that they show. Then again, I have yet to find a news organization that is completely balanced…
Condor again trying to explain what I gave as my definition of a neo-neo-Lib, not neo Lib.
Try and pay attention.
Gotta agree with you there, AFN. I don’t much care for Fox news (or most of the Fox network or local Fox radio stations, for that matter). I much prefer CNN.
As far as CNN goes, I don’t really watch it but I’ll admit that my reasoning for that is not terribly great. During the first Gulf War, which my father was in, CNN gave out the locations and such where they were stationed. These locations were of course top-secret, my Dad wasn’t even allowed to tell my mother where he was! Since then my father has called them the Communist News Network, and I guess it has just kind of rubbed off on me…
Tom,
Calling someone or anyone a rectum is hardly satire. It’s just name calling.
Posted by: Republican | April 04, 2007 at 11:47 AM
No Republican, it would have been name calling if he had actually called him an a$$hole!!
Republican,
neo-neo-lib? Seriously?
The really sad thing is, you seem proud of this invented nonsensical term.
Okay TDT, You win.
Mind if I call your grandmother a rectum then? It’s really not name calling. :)
You’re right Condor, I should give a proper name.
Let’s see…
How about Socialistic Apologist Liberal. A S.A.L.
I think that works.
I just hope it doesn’t come to the point where Republican starts calling people neo-neo-rectums.
Regarding the violent protesting students, I think that most everyone agrees that violence is not the way to resolve issues (all except for those that still believe in Bush’s War), but kids in college are testing their newfound independence, learning to think for themselves, basically learning their own limits, as well as societies limits. Hopefully this will be a learning experience. Most will go on to be respected and respectful members of society.
Republican,
You FAILED to prove that scientists were NOT surprised by Larsen-B’s rapid breakup. They had thought it’d be stable for a very long time, despite AGW.
You FAILED to explain what caused a 4.5 deg F warming there since the 1940’s, and more melt days.WHAT did that, if it wasn’t AGW from human-added GHG’s?
You FAILED to understand it’s more than just the 2002 event.
‘Antarctic Ice Shelf Collapse Triggered By Warmer Summers’http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2001/14.html“After analyzing images of the Larsen Ice Shelf over the past two decades, he deduced the years with the longest duration of surface meltwater corresponded to the years of major shelf breakup events.
The melt season during the 1995 Larsen Ice Sheet retreat was more than 80 days long – about 20 days longer than average.”
You FAILED to read the meltwater-crevasse theory at your “storm” theory site.http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~christowilson/science.htm
You incorrectly claimed it was impossible for the ice to get deep cracks.’Larsen Ice Shelf 2002warmest summer on record leads to disintegration’http://web.pdx.edu/~chulbe/science/Larsen/larsen2002.html“Days before the final break-up, large meltponds are seen to contract, indicating that crevasses had cracked through the FULL thickness of the ice shelf and the surface water was begining to DRAIN to the sea.”
You FAILED to understand that Ross broke-up by the normal calving process, NOT meltwater-crevasse. Note the LARGE SNOW-covered pieces.http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=6779
And you’ve FAILED to understand that you FAILED.
Ah Cosmos the never-ending revisionist.
Nice try Cosmos, but you took a butt whipping and fail to admit it.
Hey – did anyone know that Obama’s OWN pastor has concerns about Obama and his links to Islam?
Wouldn’t it be just like liberals to try and vote in a Muslim sympathizer?
Can’t say as it would come as any surprise, however.
I don’t think some folks are gonna be happy until all American women are wearing Burka’s.
Obama’s caught up with Hitlery, polls say. Of course polls told us Kerry was ‘in by a landslide,’ too. I dont’ care which of them gets the nomination – with either, the GOP is going to clean house.
It’s going to be an interesting couple of years.
Whatever makes you happy, Republican. If it were up to me I’d recommend you stick with “neo-neo-lib.” There’s just something about it’s clunky alliteration and the nearly visceral evocation of desperation and ignorance.
But if you’d rather switch to concocting acronyms worthy of a bad Jame Bond film, you go right ahead.
Just know that whatever you decide, you’ll always have my support in your efforts to be the very best wingnut you can be.
GSheridan,
I say this as a friend. Stop eating those paint chips. They’re not good for you.
I’m sure some of my fellow liberals here will take your bait. I hope they don’t, because the nonsense you just posted is worthy only of mockery, not serious engagement.
Thanks Condor,
BTW, I do like Hank’s description of a Condor and that fits you perfectly. :)
I’ll continue to be the very best wingut I can and you can continue to be the very best cheese-eating surrender monkey Socialistic Apologist Liberal that you can.
:::waits for Republican to chide GSheridan for “name calling”:::
:::listens to the crickets:::
That’s NEO-NEO-cheese-eating surrender monkey Socialistic Apologist Liberal, to YOU, madam!
No worries, Condor, I’ll save the paint chips for you – they seem to be more to your taste.
However, far from being ‘nonsense,’ although I’m sure you wish it were – the fact is – Obama’s pastor HAS voiced his concern about the candidate’s leanings towards Islam.
Just a fact, Jack.
But then again, you libbies seem to thrive on emotions – and don’t take facts into consideration.
More and more, it looks as though the GOP is going to have a ‘walk in the park,’ when it comes to the next Presidential election.
Of course, that’s a long way off, and anything can happen. But as for today…it’s all good.
Tom – are you refering to “Hitlery?”Isn’t that her name?
Riiiiiight, GSheridan. I’m just curious, who do you think the front runner is among the GOP candidates?
Hey Tom I notice you use the:::quote:::I used to be a chat room monitor on a certain online presence.
Been trolling lately or are old habits hard to break?
Republican,
“Ah Cosmos the never-ending revisionist.”
Instead of responding to my facts and points, you make a false attack on me.
That’s a typical ‘Republican’ tactic — and all that you can do, since you can’t defend your opinion.
Republican, “surrender monkey” is an apt term to describe the libbies and their appeasement techniques.
I often wonder what kind of value they see in the loss of one’s country and way of life?
Some term it the “Quaker Syndrome.”
Cosmos,
Nope, simply a response to your never-ending revisionist tactics.
GSheridan,
Where do you get this shit?
Seriously.
Condor, I don’t think the eventual GOP candidate has stepped into the race, yet.
So far, we don’t have a great guy, or gal, for that matter.
I would LOVE to see Condileeza Rice throw her hat in the ring, but she likely won’t.
Just a wait and see game, right now.
But I can’t see any of the Dem’s being electable.
And hasn’t that been the problem in the past two elections? They just weren’t electable guys.
Condor – like it said – it’s true, it’s factual.
Here’s a link to your boy, Obama, and his pastor’s opinion of him:
If he gets the nomination – there’s no way in heck this won’t be spread to the corners of voter-land.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/03/obamas_pastor_admits_concerns.php
Actually, I like Bill Richardson.
But I know he doesn’t have the almighty campaign dollar and he will get ignored by the screaming packs of surrender monkeys of the Libs.
i.e. Richardson will speak the truth instead of Liberal Campaign rhetoric and get blasted for it.
Republican,
I am who I am, and I don’t “troll” or otherwise disguise my identity (even though I have very good reasons to, if I wanted to). All you need to do is look at my email address when I forget to sign in with TypePad, then do as you’ve already done: Google my name.
:::this::: Is an old habit from Compuserve days.
Why am I unsurprised that you used to be a “chat room monitor?”
Sometimes I envy GSheridan and ksgrm for their rose-tinted naiveté. Then I wake up and face the reality of the real world where people protest, do things GS and KS disagree with, and, gasp, actually make a difference in the world.
Bland and sweet never changed a thing.
Compuserve is where I used to monitor. I also was a beta tester and implementer for the chat room games.
Dennis – in the ‘real world’ does anyone do anything YOU disagree with?
GSheridan,
So THAT’s where you get all your bullshit. Here’s a fun link to provide some perspective on the views of that site’s readership:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/04/poll_whats_the_greatest_threat.php
Whatever.
Anyway, best of luck with that mystery candidate of yours.
Hey, what about Fred Thompson? I feel that Fred-mentum building, don’t you?
Ohhh. Nevermind. I forgot. James Dobson says no to Fred.
Okay TDT, You win.
Mind if I call your grandmother a rectum then? It’s really not name calling. :)
Posted by: Republican | April 04, 2007 at 01:05 PM
I would consider the source, and I wouldn’t let your uninformed opinion and childish slurs bother me in the least.
Republican,
“Nope, simply a response to your never-ending revisionist tactics.”
Okay, then post your PROOF that I used “revisionist tactics” in http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_3.html#comment-65379192
TBT,
Ah it’s a slur now. I was under the impression it didn’t really mean anything that was objectionable.
Make up my mind for me TBT. :)
Cosmos,
Republican doesn’t need any stinking proof. He has fear, uncertainty and doubt. That’s all any propagandist needs.
Cosmos,
No thank you Mr. Hyperlink. Science by hyperlink is your calling; that and the book by the GORACLE.
Condor,
You don’t have any fears, uncertainty and doubts? I may have to reclassify you upwards on the evolutionary scale of primate taxonomy then. :)
:::remembers the old CIS with fondness and nostalgia:::
Republican, I closed my old CIS account when AOL took them over. Ancient history.
TBT,
Ah it’s a slur now. I was under the impression it didn’t really mean anything that was objectionable.
Make up my mind for me TBT. :)
Posted by: Republican | April 04, 2007 at 02:06 PM
Okay, first, it’s TDT. Can you not read, or do you not know how to type. Second, there is a difference, at least to me, between calling the President a rectum (I think in this case the poster used considerable restraint), after everything that he has done wrong while in office, and calling my Grandmother (either one of them) a rectum, when they have done nothing to you or anyone else. It was a joke, but you are always looking to stir up trouble. You went straight to the personal instead of letting it drop. So I stand by my statement, it is a “childish slur”. It’s not quite as serious as name calling, but some people could take offense. I am not one of those people. But if it makes you feel better to call a couple of old, dead ladies rectums, then more power to you.
Thanks TdT for explaining life to me, I would have been amongst the lost if it were not for your explanation.
Oh good lord, you are ALL crazy! GS – seriously? You are going to throw ONE PERSON’S personal opinion into the ring as a reason for why someone may or may not get elected? Surely you can do better than that!!! Oh wait, I forgot, scare tactics, right? (And BTW, whether or not I like Obama has no bearing on the converstion – as I have yet to determine who I like for the next candidate for either party) Well, if that’s what you have going for you…
And as for your earlier post – seriously, I am supposed to take the drug induced rantings of someone better suited for the mental institution seriously? And if I oppose that thought, then I am jumping all over you? Because that’s what I got from your early posts by reading them.
Republican, how exactly did cosmos lose the argument? Because from what I have read on it, YOU certainly did not come anywhere near winning? But, you are always right – is that it?
And you say that the boycotters are the problem? Seems to me that you all have done fine today with creating arguements with people who were never involved in the boycott, so I am trying to figure out how everything that happened before was their fault – it sounds a little like a 3 year old blaming that broken lamp on their imaginary friend…
Wendy,
Cosmos started out the argument by stating the GORACLE’s theory on the Larson B Ice shelf break up was caused by Global Warming alone, no other factors. I then pointed out all the factors involved; tidal surge, storms, gravity, geological formation, etc.
Then I pointed out how a much larger ice shelf broke off and by his own admittance, the Rosal Ice Shelf – broke off by calving – a normal occurrence with Glaciers. Cosmos global warming theory should have affected both ice shelves, but it didn’t.
Case closed.
Republican,
“No thank you Mr. Hyperlink.”
You’re a hypocrite. YOU use copy/pastes from “hyperlinks” to prove(sic) your opinions, but you omit the link.
Republican: “The real cause of the Larsen B Ice Shelf breakup.
The Great Storm:
The outer bounds of the Larsen ice shelf were either expanding or at equilibrium until 1975, when drastic retreats in Larsen-A began to be observed. …”http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/03/gore_taking_hea.html#comment-64003882
You seem to have done a copy/paste from the ‘Breakup Incidents Before 2002′ at http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~christowilson/recession.htm
You FAILED to understand that “drastic retreats” began in 1975, TWO DECADES before the ‘95 “storm”.
You FAILED to prove that the ‘95 storm was unusually strong, the “Great Storm” you claimed.
And you ignored the 2002 facts (”hottest summer ever recorded”), and science on next page.http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~christowilson/science.htm
AlGore AlGore AlGorefap fap fapWhere’s my beach towel?I’m having a Gorbasm!
Case far from closed. The earths GROUND temperature has risen something like 2.7 degs C since the early 1900’s. Part of the problem observed with the more frequent calving is with the ground temp. Since it is warming, the ground underneath the glaciers is causing the glaciers to melt at ground level.
Guess what happens then? The glacier starts sliding, which is what scientists are observing. Easy enough to prove, just google. Whether or not man is the culprit is still open for debate in my book, but globakl warming is happening, whether you have your head in the sand or not. It ain’t going away.
GS,People do things all the time that I disagree with. But that’s the beauty of our system, different strokes for different folks.
Yeah Cosmos,
You waffle so much, I thought I was have make a store run for some syrup.
How was that warmest summer on record working out for you in regards to the Rosal ice shelf? :)
Republican,
You post LIES for the 3rd time, about what I posted re Larsen-B and Gore?
Compare Republicans 2:53 PM upthread to my post,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/03/gore_taking_hea.html#comment-63999106
I’m VERY tired of Republican making FALSE claims about what I posted.
Ross vs Larsen? Ross has a slightly cooler climate, by “only a FEW degrees” than the Antarctic Peninsula.
I ALREADY explained that to Republican, the last link at,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/03/gore_taking_hea.html#comment-64234092
Cosmos,
You mean Rosal Ice Shelf has a different “Global Climate” from the Larsen B Ice Shelf?
Go sell that snake oil down the street, way down the street…
Hank you old seadog!Of course I don’t question YOUR credentials, just your take on who’s winning.
You know how dumb I can be some times so I know you won’t mind explaining some things from your earlier post.You said “Iwas for the war, we won it!”But further down you said, “So, we’re winning in Iraq.”
How could we be winning if we already won? And if we’ve won, why are they still shooting at us?
Ok, for the sake of discussion, let’s assume that we won the war (the one that they’re still shooting at us over). How will we know that this war we already won is over? More to the point, why don’t the people who are still shooting at us know the war is over? Didn’t they get the memo?
“I’d like to know why the libs think we’re losing!”
Uh, because the body bags are still piling up? Because they’re still shooting at us? Because we don’t seem to have control of the situation?
You’re right Hank. We won the war.
Too bad we’re losing the peace.
“Obama’s pastor admits concerns over candidate’s ties to Islam”
GS, I read your link.YAWN…
Ties to Islam? That’s such a stretch. And I’m sure the GOP is already planning a “Swiftboat” attack.
“If he gets the nomination – there’s no way in heck this won’t be spread to the corners of voter-land.”
And only people like you will listen.
Good post, XXX.
GSheridan writes: “And hasn’t that been the problem in the past two elections? They just weren’t electable guys.”
Not electable, GS? You mean the guy who GOT MORE VOTES in 2000? That guy?
Sheesh . . .
You mean the guy in 2000 who lost his Home State? The GORACLE?
Accurate, but irrelevant, Republican.
Obviously, the man who gets more votes is “electable.”
Wendy – I get it.
You’re a jester.
Good joke.
lol
CapnAmerica,
Regardless, neither man was electable.
Did either win?
The electoral college is the only game in town.
The only one that matters, anyway.
Okay, make light of Obama’s pastor – go ahead.
We won’t.
Of course GS thinks Wendy is a jester. Anything written she doesn’t understand, she automatically laughs at. It’s purely a defense mechanism.
I believe Wendy stated some pretty significant come backs, and all you can do is call her a jester. You have been showing less and less intelligence since you started posting here. If this keeps up, we’ll have to reply to your nonsense with no more than three-letter words.
Question:How many republicans can you fit in a nut case?
Answer: All of them.
Dennis it was just harmless protesting over something they disagreed with. That has always been the way things work. It doesn’t mean they are wrong or bad people. Oh I was talking about the Swift Boaters – was that who you were referring to?
Cograts to Bush for besting this arrogant bunch and using a recess appointment to put Fox in as Ambassador to Belgium.
Why didn’t we all just recognize they were using their free speech right to speak out against Kerry because they thought he was a lying bag of garbage?
Thanks for pointing that out to me.
Ksgrm
“The electoral college is the only game in town.”
Lincoln, who on this date in 1865 sat in Jefferson Davis’ chair in Richmond (Richmond was evacuated the day before), did not get the plurality of votes in 1860. He won the electoral college, but not the popular vote. As GS said, the electoral college is the only game in town. Whiners.
Ahhh J M,
Tis jokes ye be wantin’ tis it?
Q: What do you get when you cross a pilgrim with a democrat?A: A god-fearing tax collector who gives thanks for what other people have.
Q: What’s the difference between a Democrat and a catfish?A: One is an ugly, scum sucking bottom-feeder and the other is a fish.
If all the Democrats were laid end to end
a) it would be a good thingb) they would be more comfortablec) they would never reach a conclusiond) all of the abovee) none of the abovef) they would point in different directions
Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, a conservative Democrat, and an old drunk are walking down the street together when they simultaneously spot a hundred dollar bill. Who gets it? The old drunk, of course, the other three are mythological creatures.
These jokes look suspiciously like Lawyer jokes.
Fleettwood,
They were tested on some lawyers politically selected by the Justice Department. :D
ROFL! :) :) :)
WASHINGTON — President Bush named Republican fundraiser Sam Fox as U.S. ambassador to Belgium on Wednesday, using a maneuver that allowed him to bypass Congress where Democrats had derailed Fox’s nomination.
Democrats had denounced Fox for his 2004 donation to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. The group’s TV ads, which claimed that Sen. John Kerry exaggerated his military record in Vietnam, were viewed as a major factor in the Massachusetts Democrat losing the election.
Recognizing Fox did not have the votes to obtain Senate confirmation, Bush withdrew the nomination last month. On Wednesday, with Congress out of town for a spring break, the president used his power to make recess appointments to put Fox in the job without Senate confirmation.
This means Fox can remain ambassador until the end of the next session of Congress, effectively through the end of the Bush presidency.
Republican,
“You mean Rosal Ice Shelf has a different “Global Climate” from the Larsen B Ice Shelf?
Are you actually claiming that DIFFERENT regions on Earth all have the SAME climate?You think that Kansas has the SAME climate as, say North Dakota?
Thank you for being an excellent “example” of AGW deniers.
Ross Ice Shelf ~ 80°S 175°WLarsen Ice Shelf ~ 67°S 62°W
Tell us why Ross, about 13° farther south, should have the SAME climate as Larsen.
Tell us why Ross, surrounded on 3 sides by ice, should have the SAME climate as the Antarctic PENINSULA.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/“Figure 3 shows the annual and seasonal temperature changes of the past 50 years. Largest warmings have occurred in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Peninsula.”
“”You mean Rosal Ice Shelf has a different “Global Climate” from the Larsen B Ice Shelf?”
WHO GIVES A SHIT! IT’S ALL BOGUS!PLEASE GOD, STOP IT!
I see Cosmos is coming around and admitting that Latitude has a lot to do with temperature instead of (coughs some CO2 out.)
Excuse me, I just coughed out some methane.
What do you get when you cross a republican with a brain?
It can’t happen because it’s genetically impossible……………………………….How many republicans does it take to change a light bulb?
No one knows because they can’t find it……………………………..What did the bartender say when bush, cheney and rice walked into the bar?”What is this, some kinda joke?”…………………………….What do you get when you cross a republican with a vagina?
Again, no one knows. The republicans can’t find a vagina…………………………….
Republican,
No, YOU implied that latitude caused no differences in climate.
And you seem to be claiming that latitude caused Larsen to warm 4.5 degs F since the 1940’s.
Do you believe the Antarctic Peninsula is rapidly moving towards the equator?
yawns at Cosmos, the robo linker.
No… yawn at Republican, who seems to be UNABLE to even comprehend what HE posts.
No, yawn, cosmos = one note Charlie. Where’s my beach towel!
Cosmos,
Always wants the last word, and the word after that and more and more…
Oh did you hear the latest Cosmos?
The Europeans in selling their tricky little credits, over extended their waivers and actually produced several hundred million more tons of CO2 than they did last year.
How’s that Kyoto Treaty going for them Cosmos? :)
Ok Grm, I’m back for an hour. Did you understand my post now?
Actually, I like Bill Richardson.
But I know he doesn’t have the almighty campaign dollar and he will get ignored by the screaming packs of surrender monkeys of the Libs.
i.e. Richardson will speak the truth instead of Liberal Campaign rhetoric and get blasted for it.
Posted by: Republican | April 04, 2007 at 01:46 PM
I like Bill Richardson too. He has come out in favor of civil unions for gay couples as a step towards instituting their marital rights. Bet GolfGut/RepubliKahn/Repblican, didn’t tell you that little bit of info. Now *that* would be a _surprise_…
I’m not bothered by Gay Unions. I disagree with it being called marriage and support that Churches shouldn’t be forced to adopt the policy of the State.
If Gays want to live together legally and file that Joint Tax return, more power to them.
I object to the state being forced to adopt the policy of churches.
I don’t see how my marriage to my partner has any effect on anyone but us and our daughter. It would just be nice if it were recognized by the state. Too bad that here in Kansas, Terry Fox and his ilk decided to make my life his business.
What I was saying Tom is that churches shouldn’t be forced to marry anyone. I think they have that right now (i.e. different faiths a Protestant getting married to a Catholic – Protestant must convert.)
If a church wants to marry a gay couple that’s fine with me as well. But they shouldn’t be forced to do so by the State.
Of course churches should be force to marry anyone. They aren’t, not even in Massachussets. But what we have now is certain churches imposing their view of marriage on the rest of us.
This goes beyond what you’re proposing, Republican – specifically, that “marriage” be the provence of heterosexuals, and civil unions for us homos.
Tomorrow marks the 2nd anniversary of the passage of the Kansas marriage amendment. Pending in the legislature right now is HB2299, which would ban domestic partner registries. According to Rep. Lance Kinzer, those registries would run afoul of “Part B” of the amendment, which bans ALL relationships that don’t fit Kinzer’s definition of a traditional marriage.
Irony of ironies, Kinzer’s mentor Phill Kline told us two years ago that the amendment would not prohibit registries. “It’s my belief that they could, and we would defend them in that choice,” Kline told John Hanna of AP during an interview.
The first line of that last post should read “Of course churches shouldn’t…” Sorry for the typo.
Tom,
I rarely agree with you – but this time I do – to an extent.
Phelps and Fox are mean for their own reasons; reasons I don’t pretend to comprehend, but they are able to play on the fears of folks who just aren’t thinking.
You obviously have a child – a child that did not come from your current union. This situation is repeated over and over, and your child will bear the brunt of this law that bans legal recognition of your union.
Rome wasn’t changed in a day.
I, personally, don’t have a problem with the word ‘marriage,’ being used to describe your union, because, frankly – it’s none of my business and I wish you well.
On the other hand, the word comes down from thousands of years of religious doctrine that dictates what marriage is and isn’t. Long before we had laws banning gay marriages, we had folks following religious dictates of what a wife was supposed to be and what a husband was supposed to be – and do. And I readily admit, some of those scriptures, whether they be in the Koran, Talmud, or Bible, have hurt us.
But you are trying to change a multi-millennial way of looking at a subject. That’s where the thing about Rome comes into play.
Meanwhile, your child, and millions like her, suffer because they can’t be included in legal protections such as intestacy succession, immediate inclusiveness on health care, and your union is financially punished tax-wise. That translates into food being taken from your daughter’s mouth.
Go for the legally-recognized union for now. Secure your daughter’s financial standing. Let the public see it is beneficial to them to promote this.
Give them some time – then go for usage of the specific word.
What if the government stopped meddling with our lives by getting out of the marriage-sanctioning racket, and eliminating the preferential treatment given to married people.
Then everyone would be equal: straights, gays, and those who choose not to marry.
GSheridan,
Thanks for your kind words and understanding of the situation I and other gay families face.
Keep in mind that no one in Kansas was pushing for equal marriage rights for gays and lesbians two years ago. We were largely minding our own business, working, raising our children…in short, doing the normal things normal people do.
Then Terry Fox, Joe Wright and Jerry Johnston got together and decided to make this an issue in the Legislature. In 2004, they managed to drum up enough support to get an amendment introduced, and in 2005, it passed.
Part A of the amendment is pretty straightforward: “The marriage contract is to be considered in law as a civil contract. Marriage shall be constituted by one man and one woman only.”
Part B of the amendment says “No relationship, other than a marriage, shall be recognized by the state as entitling the parties to the rights or incidents of marriage.” That single sentence is being interpreted to prevent gay and lesbian Kansans from having domestic partnerships, civil unions, or any other kind of legal relationship. When this was working through the Legislature, we tried to strip Part B out, to no avail.
Um, Republican, your info is a little off – a Protestant marrying a Catholic does NOT have to convert, although it is encouraged…http://www.marriagepreparation.com/FAQ.htm#who
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P40.HTM
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P41.HTM
Straight from Canon Law of the Catholic church – the other party does NOT have to convert (although it is encouraged) What does have to happen is that the Catholic member of the pary must give their word that they will not leave the church and that they will do everything within their power to see that their children are raised in the church, at which time the bishop will give permission for the marriage to take place in the church – and of course, catholics can marry outside the church, although said marriage will not be recognized by the church as a catholic marriage…
Tom, did the Anti-gay marriage amendment end common law marriages? It’s a discussion we had on another board with someone who had a legal background (I think she’s a para)…but she is certain that common law marriages are still ok.
I thought that they had been ended?
Right Wendy, don’t have to convert, but the non-conversion has the results as you outlined. That is, an unrecognized marriage.
P_Mom, the only recent change to “common law” marriage here in Kansas of which I’m aware is that those under the age of 18 may not be “married at common law”. Thus, the ability (in Kansas) of legal adults to be married by common law, so long as the relationship is heterosexual, is not impaired. This change, BTW, makes sense, as the concept of “common law marriage” is founded upon an agreement between the parties to be husband and wife; a minor, with limited exceptions and assuming the minor has not been “emancipated”, cannot entere into a binding contract.
Republican,
I don’t know. I’ve heard different opinions from different attorneys about common law marriage, but haven’t kept track of the outcome on that.
The catholic church is not “forced” to recognize divorce, so who the bloody hell ever SAID churches would be forced to recognize gay marriage.
More wingnut scare tactics and distortion of the truth. You know, the oh so honest bible thumpers’ stock in trade! Kinda like passing the ERA would FORBID seperate restrooms. They just LOVE to twist the truth and scare the hell out of the ignorant.
And the word MARRIAGE has to be included, otherwise survivor social security benefits, joint ownership of assets, parenting rights, and joint health insurance policies will not be possible.
They all require “marriage”. So.. either change the language from “marriage” to “unions” and I will be fine with that.
But calling our marriages unions and STILL depriving us of equal right is, um, well,
didnt “seperate but equal” go out of style in the 50’s? I think SCOTUS said so!
I just finally got to see Brokeback Mountain. Not that it has any real bearing on the marriage discussion, but it was mightily powerful to think of how closed off those who are gay felt back then.
I know the risk is still there, but thankfully it is getting better. I just wish people would get over themselves on the gay issue. Let them be who they are.Let them love who they want to.
Right, but ONLY IF YOU MARRY OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH REPUBLICAN – which would be the case with ANY MARRIAGE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH – even if both parties were catholic.
Wait, let me try to explain this to you so you understand. You said that a protestant HAD to convert to catholicism in order to marry a catholic – Which I proved patently untrue. You then decide to play semantics. Well, I can do that to. A Catholic CAN marry a NON-Catholic in the church and have the marriage recognized, as stated in the links above (if you can read anyways)(and you know, catholics discourage marriage outside of their faith for the same reasons as Jews and Muslims and – wait for it – Protestants BECAUSE that difference in religious opinion often creates strife in the marriage, but again that is neither here nor there). The ONLY TIME a marriage is not recognized as a Catholic marriage by the church is if it happens without sanctions by the church (i.e. if you go to your priest and say you are getting married and your spouse is not catholic and wants to have the marriage in their church and you want it sanctioned so that the church will recognize it, that can be done)regardless of religion – see, I am Catholic, my fiance is Catholic, but if we decided to run off to Vegas next week and get married, the church would not recognize our marriage, because it took place OUTSIDE the church, and we are BOTH catholic – religion has no bearing on that…
Nice try, though…
Thanks for the further explanation Wendy. :)
I see a difference in what I was saying and what you were saying. However, the resulting effect is the same.
You are correcting in stating however, that the church is not forced to recognize a marriage -
if they choose not to recognize a marriage between a man and a woman that happens outside a church, i don’t see how that is any different for a marriage between a woman and a woman…
But again, I also don’t see how a marriage between a woman and a woman (or using the term “marriage” to identify a union between a same-sex couple) in any way denigrates a marriage between a heterosexual couple – but there you go, that’s my liberal side slipping out… hard to believe I am a catholic, huh?
Wendy,
What I know about the Catholic Church you could put in a miniature thimble. :)
I went to a Christmas Mass once at a Catholic Church and figured with all that kneeling, a tall guy like myself would have knee problems if he attended regular service. :D
Some of the most Liberal people I know are Catholic. I haven’t made a careful study of that, but I suppose the Catholic Church because of its ever modifying state makes a good mix of tradition and secular viewpoints.
“Um, Republican, your info is a little off – a Protestant marrying a Catholic does NOT have to convert, although it is encouraged…”
That is true. I am living proof. There are Catholics all around me. Kids, wife, but not me. I chose not to go that route. In the 2000 election, about 50% of the Catholics voted for Gore (give money away to the poor), and 50% to Bush (anti-abortion). Go figure.
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