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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249273</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 15:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A food question for my fellow bloggers:  If I add melamine to grain products it will increase its nitrogen content which is commonly used as a proxy for protein.  That will increase my profit when I sell it to food processors.  So, my question:  Should I be allowed to adulterate the grain in this manner?  And, if so, should I be allowed to do it without labeling the products?

Melamine, by the way, is the chemical implicated in the pet food fiasco.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A food question for my fellow bloggers:  If I add melamine to grain products it will increase its nitrogen content which is commonly used as a proxy for protein.  That will increase my profit when I sell it to food processors.  So, my question:  Should I be allowed to adulterate the grain in this manner?  And, if so, should I be allowed to do it without labeling the products?</p>
<p>Melamine, by the way, is the chemical implicated in the pet food fiasco.</p>
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		<title>By: CapnAmerica</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249272</link>
		<dc:creator>CapnAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 05:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The terrorist-communist-French have a thought control beam aimed right at Republican&#039;s house.

They know that he&#039;s the last right-thinking individual left on the planet.

Unfortunately, his tin-foil hat wearing as disrupted the signals.

Damn that Yankee ingenuity!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The terrorist-communist-French have a thought control beam aimed right at Republican&#8217;s house.</p>
<p>They know that he&#8217;s the last right-thinking individual left on the planet.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, his tin-foil hat wearing as disrupted the signals.</p>
<p>Damn that Yankee ingenuity!</p>
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		<title>By: CapnAmerica</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249271</link>
		<dc:creator>CapnAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 05:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RepubliCON believes that wind farms, energy efficiency, solar power and less suburban sprawl will result in . . . wait for it . . .

&quot;the end of free society as we know it, [we] will become a socialistic state under the blackmailing thumb of the U.N.&quot;

Tell the good doctors at Larned that the meds aren&#039;t working, CON.

You need the stronger stuff . . .
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RepubliCON believes that wind farms, energy efficiency, solar power and less suburban sprawl will result in . . . wait for it . . .</p>
<p>&#8220;the end of free society as we know it, [we] will become a socialistic state under the blackmailing thumb of the U.N.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tell the good doctors at Larned that the meds aren&#8217;t working, CON.</p>
<p>You need the stronger stuff . . .</p>
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		<title>By: J M Walker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249270</link>
		<dc:creator>J M Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 05:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;More multi million dollar contracts for so-called Global Warming Scientist&#039;s pockets.&quot;

More multi-billion dollar contracts to support a war started by a moron.

&quot;Less Dollars in your pocket when the CO2 exchange/rip off/tax program starts&quot;

Less dollars in your pocket from taxes having to pay off the massive debt incurred by said war.

&quot;Tens of thousands of companies hugely penalized by oppressive UN/Kyoto Protocol Taxes and Prohibition - they will go bust.&quot;

A few &quot;select&quot; companies tied to this administration making money off the deaths of America&#039;s finest.

&quot;The end of free society as we know it, it will become a socialistic state under the blackmailing thumb of the U.N.&quot;

The end of the Constitution as we know it. Along with the resurrection of the neo-con wackos trying to control every aspect of American life by trying to remake it in their sick and twisted image.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;More multi million dollar contracts for so-called Global Warming Scientist&#8217;s pockets.&#8221;</p>
<p>More multi-billion dollar contracts to support a war started by a moron.</p>
<p>&#8220;Less Dollars in your pocket when the CO2 exchange/rip off/tax program starts&#8221;</p>
<p>Less dollars in your pocket from taxes having to pay off the massive debt incurred by said war.</p>
<p>&#8220;Tens of thousands of companies hugely penalized by oppressive UN/Kyoto Protocol Taxes and Prohibition &#8211; they will go bust.&#8221;</p>
<p>A few &#8220;select&#8221; companies tied to this administration making money off the deaths of America&#8217;s finest.</p>
<p>&#8220;The end of free society as we know it, it will become a socialistic state under the blackmailing thumb of the U.N.&#8221;</p>
<p>The end of the Constitution as we know it. Along with the resurrection of the neo-con wackos trying to control every aspect of American life by trying to remake it in their sick and twisted image.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249269</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 05:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

&quot;Problem is, biological units do not handle the trans isomer well.&quot;

LOL... and very true.  In short, trans fat increases the shelf life of manufactured food products -- and DECREASES our &quot;shelf life&quot;.

The big &quot;gotcha!&quot; on trans fat labeling is that if the amount is less than 0.5 grams per SERVING, the label can list it as &quot;zero&quot;.

So look for &quot;partially hydrogenated&quot; or &quot;shortening&quot; in the ingredients, and don&#039;t buy or eat it if they&#039;re there.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bantransfat.org/abouttransfat.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bantransfat.org/abouttransfat.html&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>&#8220;Problem is, biological units do not handle the trans isomer well.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL&#8230; and very true.  In short, trans fat increases the shelf life of manufactured food products &#8212; and DECREASES our &#8220;shelf life&#8221;.</p>
<p>The big &#8220;gotcha!&#8221; on trans fat labeling is that if the amount is less than 0.5 grams per SERVING, the label can list it as &#8220;zero&#8221;.</p>
<p>So look for &#8220;partially hydrogenated&#8221; or &#8220;shortening&#8221; in the ingredients, and don&#8217;t buy or eat it if they&#8217;re there.<a href="http://www.bantransfat.org/abouttransfat.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bantransfat.org/abouttransfat.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249268</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor Wolfowitz, claims he&#039;s the victim of a &quot;smear campaign&quot;, must think he&#039;s being swift boated, but by God only knows who.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Wolfowitz, claims he&#8217;s the victim of a &#8220;smear campaign&#8221;, must think he&#8217;s being swift boated, but by God only knows who.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben, PhD LG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249267</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben, PhD LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ksgrm - I have to side with cosmos - the number of scientists among the skeptics is vanishingly small - about the same as we saw with the tobacco &#039;controversy&#039; - and they are all tied with the industry - just like with tobacco.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ksgrm &#8211; I have to side with cosmos &#8211; the number of scientists among the skeptics is vanishingly small &#8211; about the same as we saw with the tobacco &#8216;controversy&#8217; &#8211; and they are all tied with the industry &#8211; just like with tobacco.</p>
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		<title>By: Republican</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249266</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More multi million dollar contracts for so-called Global Warming Scientist&#039;s pockets.

Less Dollars in your pocket when the CO2 exchange/rip off/tax program starts

Tens of thousands of companies hugely penalized by oppressive UN/Kyoto Protocol Taxes and Prohibition - they will go bust.

The end of free society as we know it, it will become a socialistic state under the blackmailing thumb of the U.N.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More multi million dollar contracts for so-called Global Warming Scientist&#8217;s pockets.</p>
<p>Less Dollars in your pocket when the CO2 exchange/rip off/tax program starts</p>
<p>Tens of thousands of companies hugely penalized by oppressive UN/Kyoto Protocol Taxes and Prohibition &#8211; they will go bust.</p>
<p>The end of free society as we know it, it will become a socialistic state under the blackmailing thumb of the U.N.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249265</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ksgrm,

&quot;... because there are many scientists that say it is simply a climate change and not a man made happening.&quot;

Please name them.  Is their science peer-reviewed?  Do observations and data support their theories?

Some of the scientists who believe that humans ARE causing climate change are listed in the annex here.&lt;a href=&quot;http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html&lt;/a&gt;

Again, let&#039;s see your list of &quot;many scientists&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ksgrm,</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; because there are many scientists that say it is simply a climate change and not a man made happening.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please name them.  Is their science peer-reviewed?  Do observations and data support their theories?</p>
<p>Some of the scientists who believe that humans ARE causing climate change are listed in the annex here.<a href="http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html" rel="nofollow">http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html</a></p>
<p>Again, let&#8217;s see your list of &#8220;many scientists&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben, PhD LG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249264</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben, PhD LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When cis olefins are partially hydrogenated they isomerize to the more thermodynamically stable trans isomer.  Problem is, biological units do not handle the trans isomer well.  That might be a good thing if the purpose is to prevent a biological unit from being able to utilyze them; however if you ARE that biological unit ...

That said, I believe that such a food adulterant should be allowed.  However, as with any food adulterant the product containing it should be clearly labeled as adulterated.

I would not so label natural food products that contain the &#039;de minimus&#039; amount that might naturally occur.

Sort of like the trace amounts of ethanol that might be in natiral fruit juices - they do not trigger alcohol labeling.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When cis olefins are partially hydrogenated they isomerize to the more thermodynamically stable trans isomer.  Problem is, biological units do not handle the trans isomer well.  That might be a good thing if the purpose is to prevent a biological unit from being able to utilyze them; however if you ARE that biological unit &#8230;</p>
<p>That said, I believe that such a food adulterant should be allowed.  However, as with any food adulterant the product containing it should be clearly labeled as adulterated.</p>
<p>I would not so label natural food products that contain the &#8216;de minimus&#8217; amount that might naturally occur.</p>
<p>Sort of like the trace amounts of ethanol that might be in natiral fruit juices &#8211; they do not trigger alcohol labeling.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249263</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Williams,

&quot;[I] Just deny that it will destroy us in 10 years like Democrat Global Warming Cultist says it will.&quot;

They do NOT claim it will &quot;destroy us in 10 years&quot;.

It&#039;s about avoiding the natural &quot;tipping point&quot;, where positive feedbacks amplify the human-caused warming -- and then we CAN&#039;T stop the warming trend.

Less ice/snow = more heat absorbed.More GHG&#039;s released from thawing permafrost = more warming.Less CO2 absorbed by warmer oceans, and by less phytoplankton = more warming.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Williams,</p>
<p>&#8220;[I] Just deny that it will destroy us in 10 years like Democrat Global Warming Cultist says it will.&#8221;</p>
<p>They do NOT claim it will &#8220;destroy us in 10 years&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about avoiding the natural &#8220;tipping point&#8221;, where positive feedbacks amplify the human-caused warming &#8212; and then we CAN&#8217;T stop the warming trend.</p>
<p>Less ice/snow = more heat absorbed.More GHG&#8217;s released from thawing permafrost = more warming.Less CO2 absorbed by warmer oceans, and by less phytoplankton = more warming.</p>
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		<title>By: Republican</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249262</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll keep that in mind for future conversations with you, should I choose to have them.Posted by: Tom &#124; April 30, 2007 at 09:07 PM

Allah Akbar!Alhamdulillah!

Practicing my Arabic when the cheese eating surrender monkeys take office and try to negotiate their way out situations by talking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll keep that in mind for future conversations with you, should I choose to have them.Posted by: Tom | April 30, 2007 at 09:07 PM</p>
<p>Allah Akbar!Alhamdulillah!</p>
<p>Practicing my Arabic when the cheese eating surrender monkeys take office and try to negotiate their way out situations by talking.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben, PhD LG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249261</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben, PhD LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While miniscule amounts are found naturally the vast majority is a food adulterant:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.answers.com/topic/trans-fatty-acid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.answers.com/topic/trans-fatty-acid&lt;/a&gt;

Joe!  You ever work in the field?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While miniscule amounts are found naturally the vast majority is a food adulterant:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/trans-fatty-acid" rel="nofollow">http://www.answers.com/topic/trans-fatty-acid</a></p>
<p>Joe!  You ever work in the field?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben, PhD LG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249260</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben, PhD LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WRONG!

A chemical laboratory.  Nickel catalysts.  Harshaw chemical produced the catalysts back in the early 80s; we even had a line that was Kosher.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;rls=HPID,HPID:2006-46,HPID:en&amp;defl=en&amp;q=define:Trans+Fats&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=glossary_definition&amp;ct=title&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;rls=HPID,HPID:2006-46,HPID:en&amp;defl=en&amp;q=define:Trans+Fats&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=glossary_definition&amp;ct=title&lt;/a&gt;

The reason they are make is to keep stuff from turning rancid - bugs won&#039;t eat them.

cis is biological, trans is chemical.  That is why, when analyzing 1,2-DCE we look at the isomer.  cis - biodegradation product of TCE.  trans - directly chemical in origin.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRONG!</p>
<p>A chemical laboratory.  Nickel catalysts.  Harshaw chemical produced the catalysts back in the early 80s; we even had a line that was Kosher.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;rls=HPID,HPID:2006-46,HPID:en&amp;defl=en&amp;q=define:Trans+Fats&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=glossary_definition&amp;ct=title" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;rls=HPID,HPID:2006-46,HPID:en&amp;defl=en&amp;q=define:Trans+Fats&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=glossary_definition&amp;ct=title</a></p>
<p>The reason they are make is to keep stuff from turning rancid &#8211; bugs won&#8217;t eat them.</p>
<p>cis is biological, trans is chemical.  That is why, when analyzing 1,2-DCE we look at the isomer.  cis &#8211; biodegradation product of TCE.  trans &#8211; directly chemical in origin.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249259</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JUST IN:

BELL AIRE SOLDIER

4-30-07     - 21-year-old Alex Funcheon died in Baghdad over the weekend when the humvee he was riding in hit a roadside bomb. All three soldiers in the vehicle died.Alex went to Heights high school and joined the military right after high school. His parents describe him as fun and happy-go-lucky, but serious about his position in the army.He is survived by his parents of Bel Aire and his 18-year-old sister. The funeral will take place sometime in the next week to ten days.

&quot;O God, our Heavenly Father, we remember before Thee this day,those who laid down their lives in the service of their country.We remember their courage and devotion to the Sovereign and the country they served.We pray that their labours be not in vain but that their spirit may live on in us and the generations to come.We pray that liberty, truth and love may spread over all the world &#039;til war shall cease to be.We remember our brethren who are in sickness or distress.We remember the widows and other dependants.We dedicate ourselves to Thy service in the name of those whose memory we revere.We ask this in the name of our Lord.&quot;  &quot;Amen&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JUST IN:</p>
<p>BELL AIRE SOLDIER</p>
<p>4-30-07     &#8211; 21-year-old Alex Funcheon died in Baghdad over the weekend when the humvee he was riding in hit a roadside bomb. All three soldiers in the vehicle died.Alex went to Heights high school and joined the military right after high school. His parents describe him as fun and happy-go-lucky, but serious about his position in the army.He is survived by his parents of Bel Aire and his 18-year-old sister. The funeral will take place sometime in the next week to ten days.</p>
<p>&#8220;O God, our Heavenly Father, we remember before Thee this day,those who laid down their lives in the service of their country.We remember their courage and devotion to the Sovereign and the country they served.We pray that their labours be not in vain but that their spirit may live on in us and the generations to come.We pray that liberty, truth and love may spread over all the world &#8217;til war shall cease to be.We remember our brethren who are in sickness or distress.We remember the widows and other dependants.We dedicate ourselves to Thy service in the name of those whose memory we revere.We ask this in the name of our Lord.&#8221;  &#8220;Amen&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249258</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meats and milk!

Although relatively small amounts. But it exist naturally.
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<p>Although relatively small amounts. But it exist naturally.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben, PhD LG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249257</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben, PhD LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not necessarily favor banning all food adulteration; however I DO favor properly labeling products as having been adulterated.

Any guesses as to where trans fat comes from yet?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not necessarily favor banning all food adulteration; however I DO favor properly labeling products as having been adulterated.</p>
<p>Any guesses as to where trans fat comes from yet?</p>
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		<title>By: AFN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249256</link>
		<dc:creator>AFN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto to Tom and Ksgrm above for you comments on the over-generalization of party labels!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto to Tom and Ksgrm above for you comments on the over-generalization of party labels!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben, PhD LG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249255</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben, PhD LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll give you a hint Joe - think nickel.  And you can even get it Kosher!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll give you a hint Joe &#8211; think nickel.  And you can even get it Kosher!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249254</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then why ban trans fat?

The science supports that it&#039;s bad for you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then why ban trans fat?</p>
<p>The science supports that it&#8217;s bad for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben, PhD LG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249253</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben, PhD LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way Joe! - can you name a food source for trans fats?  Not a prepared food into which it might have been introduced but rather a natural food product from which they are derived?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way Joe! &#8211; can you name a food source for trans fats?  Not a prepared food into which it might have been introduced but rather a natural food product from which they are derived?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249252</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Ben! Let me know when it&#039;s going to kill me.

I&#039;m not denying that a hole in the ozone exist. It clearly does.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Ben! Let me know when it&#8217;s going to kill me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying that a hole in the ozone exist. It clearly does.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben, PhD LG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249251</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben, PhD LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he totally ignored my natural metabolism it would be cultism.  If, however, he studies all of it and then concludes that my ingestion of food adulterants is a major factor that would be science.  We do know the difference Joe!

Even with the old Murphy&#039;s Law &quot;One cannot distinguish between a sufficiently advance technology and magic&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he totally ignored my natural metabolism it would be cultism.  If, however, he studies all of it and then concludes that my ingestion of food adulterants is a major factor that would be science.  We do know the difference Joe!</p>
<p>Even with the old Murphy&#8217;s Law &#8220;One cannot distinguish between a sufficiently advance technology and magic&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Williams</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249250</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ksgm! If you read Democrat blog sites, I&#039;m sure they are blaming the overpass in San Francisco as President Bush&#039;s fault and that they planted bombs there. I&#039;m sure you will find them. You poll Democrats and I bet you will get like 80% believe President Bush blew up the World Trade Center, levies in New Orleans and the list the goes on. All the way to Bush causes hurricanes.

Not to let the Republicans off the hook. There is some crazy ones in that bunch.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ksgm! If you read Democrat blog sites, I&#8217;m sure they are blaming the overpass in San Francisco as President Bush&#8217;s fault and that they planted bombs there. I&#8217;m sure you will find them. You poll Democrats and I bet you will get like 80% believe President Bush blew up the World Trade Center, levies in New Orleans and the list the goes on. All the way to Bush causes hurricanes.</p>
<p>Not to let the Republicans off the hook. There is some crazy ones in that bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben, PhD LG</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_29-3/#comment-249249</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben, PhD LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe!  Did you learn your science in your speech class?  The link I gave was not &#039;environmentalist&#039; but was science.  You are correct that O3 is in a dynamic equilibrium; however the steady-state concentration has been reduced considerably.

Your statement about 56-57 is not true; the amount does vary seasonally however the entire variation has been to lower levels.  Your conclusion is not supported by science.

Of course, I suppose if science is only a cult ...

&quot; Each volcanic eruption emits roughly a thousand times the amount of ozone?depleting chemicals than all the CFCs man has ever produced.&quot;

Also not true.

For a bit more SCIENCE:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wunderground.com/education/holefaq.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.wunderground.com/education/holefaq.asp&lt;/a&gt;

There is a good grph that shows BOTH the seasonal variation and the long-term reduction.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe!  Did you learn your science in your speech class?  The link I gave was not &#8216;environmentalist&#8217; but was science.  You are correct that O3 is in a dynamic equilibrium; however the steady-state concentration has been reduced considerably.</p>
<p>Your statement about 56-57 is not true; the amount does vary seasonally however the entire variation has been to lower levels.  Your conclusion is not supported by science.</p>
<p>Of course, I suppose if science is only a cult &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8221; Each volcanic eruption emits roughly a thousand times the amount of ozone?depleting chemicals than all the CFCs man has ever produced.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also not true.</p>
<p>For a bit more SCIENCE:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wunderground.com/education/holefaq.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.wunderground.com/education/holefaq.asp</a></p>
<p>There is a good grph that shows BOTH the seasonal variation and the long-term reduction.</p>
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