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“We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero. Assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinable urban guerilla war, it could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater instability.”
“I think it is vitally important for a President to know when to use military force. I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force. And it’s my view that the President got it right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the QUAGMIRE inside Iraq.”
–Dick CheneySpeech at the Washington Institute for Near East PolicyApril 29, 1991
After reading the bs spread about both Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman by the military of our country, one wonders just how much bs is coming out of Iraq. What can and cannot you believe by the powers that be?
With a shrub as commander-in-chief, who seems to at least condone instead of condemn, these stories, one again wonders what bs has come out of his mouth; like about the whole damn war in Iraq that is taking children form both our and their countries and burying them.
The republicans spent eight years trashing Clinton because he got a bj, yet condone the lies perpetrated by Bush that has led to thousands of deaths.
No wonder the “elephant” got blown out of the water last election. Let’s hope the same thing happens on a more massive scale next election. We don’t need more dead soldiers caused by lies and deceit.
“Good morning Lord, it’s great to be with You again today. I’m glad You are going to be with me today. Help me in all I do and say today, bring a smile to my lips for all I meet today, place on my tongue kind and gentle words for all I speak with today. And when the day’s over bring me home safely.”
Good Morning campers ….
“….war in Iraq that is taking children form both our and their countries and burying them.”
“O God, our Heavenly Father, we remember before Thee this day,those who laid down their lives in the service of their country.We remember their courage and devotion to the Sovereign and the country they served.We pray that their labours be not in vain but that their spirit may live on in us and the generations to come.We pray that liberty, truth and love may spread over all the world ’til war shall cease to be.We remember our brethren who are in sickness or distress.We remember the widows and other dependants.We dedicate ourselves to Thy service in the name of those whose memory we revere.We ask this in the name of our Lord.” “Amen”
Help? Insight?
I was doing some research about elder care for a friend and came across this in Lawrence, Ks: :
From the web page:
Hearth House is a home environment based on an innovative social model emphasizing choice, respect, dignity and kindness. We offer 24-hour domestic and personal care for those who cannot remain safely alone in their own home. Hearth House is an alternative to institutional living.
The Hearth House philosophy of operation is to provide assistance in a home environment and insure that residents receive choice, respect, dignity and kindness.
More here:
http://www.hearthhouses.com/
A new concept?
Anyone have any experience with this type of facility? We are planning a trip to see the facility — any insight you can provide will certainly help.
That style of retirement living is hardly new. It’s been around as long as I’ve been alive.
I guess you haven’t spent much time visiting the old folks of your family, eh ken?
… I quit a job, moved back to Chicago, moved in with Mom to care for her when she was sick and dying — I guess not …..
That’s admirable ken, but this style of home has been around for many years.
Not sure about your family, but my family has always visited our elder family members in this style of home. Great Aunts, second cousins, didn’t matter, they needed to be looked after and cared for and not forgotten.
Anyone who wants to hear about my joy and pain of caring for a dying parent — email me and I will be glad to share my experience — won’t discuss it here —
Notice how Republican went straight for the cheap shot when Ken was simply asking for information about a specific assisted-living facility?
Without knowing a thing about Ken’s situation, he ad homenimed him by asserting that the question implied a lack of concern.
Maybe if the man didn’t hate himself so much, he could show more respect for others.
And here’s another Republican who seems similar to our own Republican:
“Apparently, Sheryl Crow can’t touch Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove on the topic of global warming.
“The singer and Laurie David, her partner on the Stop Global Warming College Tour, had a less than friendly encounter with Rove at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner Saturday, according to numerous published reports.
“The trouble reportedly began when Crow and David approached Rove at the event and urged him to take a ‘fresh look’ at the science of global warming.
“According to David’s account of the exchange, which was published on the Huffington Post, the senior White House advisor ‘immediately got combative,’ and launched into a defensive recitation of the administration’s global warming policy.
“When Crow laid a hand on Rove’s arm to try and diffuse the situation, he shook her off, snapping, ‘Don’t touch me!’
Crow responded, ‘You can’t speak to us like that, you work for us,’ to which Rove replied, ‘I don’t work for you; I work for the American people.’
“‘We are the American people,’ Crow reminded him.
“David, the producer of ‘An Inconvenient Truth,’ described Rove as ‘dismissive, condescending, and quite frankly a bully.’
“‘Drama aside, you would expect as an American citizen to be able to engage in a civil discussion with a public official,’ she wrote.”
Heheheheeh Capn. You know, Jan Pauls did the same thing to me. We were at Washington Days wearing the same jacket.
After she stood up and did her little gay hate speech in 2004, some of us went over to “talk” to her. I reached out to touch her jacket and say “well, at least we like the same color” when she drew back and screamed “dont touch me!”
There were some folks from Wichita standing by who saw it all. We were so dumbfounded, we just let her stomp away while we picked our jaws up off the floor.
Heheheheh. I guess she is so homophobic she was afraid she’d catch lesbian cooties from my hand on her jacket?
I guess when you are a DINO, and a member of the ruling class, you should probably wear a button that says “one simply may not speak to the QUEEN that way”…
“‘dismissive, condescending, and quite frankly a bully.’”
HEEEE! That is EXACTLY how I would describe Jan Pauls. Ever wonder why she has no significant opposition in running for office? Why dont the republicans in kansas run a good candidate against her?
Well, hell. Why should they? She’s the best wingnut republican in the Kansas house….
Ken,
Hearth House is assisted living or, to be more exact, nursing home lite. Each of those “ammenities” listed has a charge. They pay rent (room and board), then pay for each service. Some are better than others. Private rooms can mean just about anything, but usually just a room where they can keep their personal belongings–furniture, a few knick-knacks, TV, etc.
But they do manage to make it sound good.
Hee hee hee hee! Jan Pauls and Karl Rove. Now that you mention it, they really are two of a kind.
It takes a full house of wingnuts though to win the hand….
I am outraged that a Democratic office holder would behave that way, KSGrrl.
When I get some time, I’m going to write a letter telling her to get with the program.
If she wants to be a hater, she can join the party of hate and divisiveness.
Ken, RD and Repub: Let’s encourage the EAGLE’s opinion editors to initiate a thread on nursing homes. I too went through this experience with my mother. I think it eventually became a good experience but it took some work and a lot of visiting to improve the situation.
Ken, RD and Repub: Let’s encourage the EAGLE’s opinion editors to initiate a thread on nursing homes. I too went through this experience with my mother. I think it eventually became a good experience but it took some work and a lot of visiting to improve the situation.
Ken, it all depends. I worked briefly with an assisted living center, and it was crap. I literally had one woman who had not been moved from 7am to 7pm. I expected the care there to be so much better because the staffing was supposed to be better because the care was supposed to be lighter. But it wasn’t. They asked us to falsify documents to show the people required less care than they did so that they could stay living there. I was even told not to feed someone for that very purpose. I refused, this woman worked so hard just to take a drink. And she ate so well when I fed her.
your best indication of how they care for their patients, is to pay attention to the ones who require the most care and have no family around. See how many aides there are compared to how many wheelchairs (not always, but a decent indicator of the amt of care they require). Another thing, if there are a lot of people in wheelchairs who probably could walk, that’s also not a good sign. The residents need ambulated, and to and from meals is the usual time to do that. Go during dinnertime so you can see them all out in the dining area. Watch how the staff interacts with the residents.ASK what the staffing ratio is.
Oops Kev, when you ask the staffing ratio, ask SPEFICICALLY aides to residents.
When they do ratios, they include all staff, including RN’s and LPN’s in that number and they usually don’t do the direct cares.
Isn’t Jan Pauls the woman from Hutchinson that claims to be a democrat?
Or am I thinking of another non-dem who claims my party?
Oh I got some good news today. I’m going to have to be face to face with one of the Phelp’s clan. OH YAY!
I asked my boss if I can wear my great big EQUAL MARRIAGE pin and wear a rainbow flag around my head and pretend to be a lesbian. He said no. I asked if I can place a big ole banner out saying “WE LOVE GAYS”. He said no to that too.
I told him I don’t know if I can be nice to this woman. Maybe I can snarl and pass it off as a smile?
Pmom…
How about a little gift for her? A package of cool aid, with the words JIM JONES STYLE written on the outside with a black marker?
Pmom, you got it. Jan Pauls, DINO from Hutch. She has raced to the head of the wingnut parade to sponsor or co-sponsor every gay hating piece of legislation that ever reared its ugly head.
homophobe in chief
And captain, you were unaware of Jan Paul’s gay hating activities?
Well, sorry to remind you that she isnt much different than Dennis McKinney, Candy Ruff, Janis Lee et. al.
Even governor leadership was ZERO help on this issue. She wanted it out of the way before 06, and she got it out of the way in a very expedient manner.
And you dumbass republicans fell for it. How did that pandering to terry, joe and fred work out? I think susan wagle could tell ya…
Dont ever forget (like I’d let you :) that more republicans voted AGAINST the hate amendment than democrats.
Like I said, the one thing BOTH “republican” parties in kansas (repub and the dems who are “repub lite”) agree on is that they BOTH hate queers.
Cant wait to see which group they turn on next. Maybe yours?
A follow-up to a “conversation” GMC and I were having last week concerning why Cho wasn’t on the central repository of information given the determination of his mental illness which would have shown up when the background check was run.
It turns out, according to an article on cnn.com I read two days ago, and confirmed on one of the news shows I saw yesterday, that while Virginia is one of 22 states that does report mental illness, under state law, only those who had been committed were so reported. Thus, as he was not committed, but ordered to out-patient counseling, under state law, Cho was not reported. I understand that the governor, et al, of the Commonwealth of Virginia, are looking at this to possibly close the loophole.
Ken, go to the “Dept of Ageing” on the web and look up “Home Plus Facilities”. We had my mom in a nursing home and couldn’t take the neglect she was suffering, we found these places and it’s been a God-send for her and us. The one my mom is in would be glad to take you though their place, they have a waiting list but there are over 20 places like this in Wichita. Email me and I’ll give you more info…I love having my mom there, she gets wonderful care from a very loving staff, the ratio is 4 residents to 1 aide, and there are two RNs on call 24/7. There is a max of 8 residents in a home. Home cooked meals and a real home environment.
PMom, you go girl! Why don’t you be as nice to her as she is ugly to you? She won’t get the reaction she wants and it will probably drive her nuts. Those sickos feed off the anger they stir up.
i didn’t see anything bad about republicans remarks. lots of us take care of our aging relatives. its not a badge you wear and say look how great i am for doing this. you just do it and move on with life.
p-mom – I think it might be fun to just wear some sort of “God LOVES You” button or something like that. Let Phred know that we think he is a Pharisee.
Fundie, is that you?
It’d sure be great if, every time the Eagle changed the location of their RSS feeds, they actually put out a notification on the *old* location first. If the Eagle was *deliberately* trying to find a way to wean me off bothering to check it, I don’t think they could do a better job than they are now.
“Cho was not reported.”
That was my understanding also, VT. As I undersand it, in Kansas the District Attorney’s office turns over names to the state. That would be all for whom there was reason to evaluate for the need of involuntary commitment and not just those who ultimately were involuntarily committed. So, in KS, Cho would have been on our list to not sell him a firearm.
Ya know, I think I see a pattern developing in the republican controlled kansas legislature. While they love to beat their chests about state’s rights and how the feds should butt out of their business…
…they sure dont take that attitude about local governments in Kansas.
They want the state laws on guns to override the ability of local communities to say “not in these places”.
Lance Kinzer just about wet himself in his hurry to get the STATE to tell LOCAL leaders they could not have domestic partnership registries if they chose them.
See anything in common there? And governor leadership, the best republican governor we’ve had :) had NO problem giving tax cuts on business inventories when THAT revenue when to the local governments.
She also had no problem taking away significant returns of sales tax money to clean up the budget crisis early in her term.
Who said shit rolls downhill? In Kansas, that sure seems to be true. The legislature AND the governor have no problem stepping on local government decisions.
Pmom, if your forced to meet with margie in her capacity as a DOC employee, then if she says or does anything offensive file a complaint with her boss lets get the sorry bitch fired.
I guess it is easy to solve problems at the state level when your go-to answer is to just shove those problems down to local government and let them worry about it.
Running out the clock anyone?
Pmom, you know it would be a great fundraiser if you were to sell tickets to your meeting with margie.
Hell, I’d buy out the house! heheheheheeheheh
Woohoo! The DOW has broken 13000 and my portfolio just loves it.
Ever notice it is the shit sticks in the world that control the oil?
Now were they shit sticks to begin with or did the oil make them that way?
To a large extent it is the oil that does it. If a country does not have such valuable natural resources it must rely upon its people to prosper. And, such a situation is not amenable to the long-term survival of such despotism.
NO farmie, that isn’t me. Surprisingly enough I don’t always agree with Republican, especially with his tone.
Ken- I too understand your hardships. My Grandfather is on his last leg, And my mom is doing her best to juggle his care and her job.I am sure you know that all you can do is let them know that you love them, and be with them as they were with you as a child.
I actually put a lot of thought ,this past weekend, to why death is so hard for those left behind. All that I can figure out is that the heart longs to express the inexpressable love that you have for your dieing loved one, and you can’t, you are helpless.
Ken:There used to be one in Manhattan. My sister was against it, and the officials felt Mom wasn’t self sufficient enough to be there.
Well, it looks like little miss goodling, god’s own laywer, was just waiting for the right immunity deal to start singing.
Breaking: Goodling granted immunity.
The House Judiciary Committee voted moments ago to grant immunity to Monica Goodling — former counsel to Alberto Gonzales and the Justice Department’s liaison to the White House — and issue a subpoena compelling her to testify. Yesterday, fired U.S. Attorney David Iglesias said he believes that Goodling holds the “keys to the kingdom” in terms of uncovering the roots of the U.S. Attorney purge:
I think Monica Goodling is holding the keys to the kingdom. I think if they get her to testify under oath with a transcript, and have her describe the process between the information flow between the White House counsel, White House and the Justice Department, I believe the picture becomes a lot clearer.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/25/breaking-goodling-g... /
And with jack abramhoff singing so long and loud that “he doesnt have time to eat”, and “everyone who had business dealings with him should be worried”…
I say LET THE GAME BEGIN!
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/nation/17129035.htm?source=rss&channel=krwashington_nation
Ken,The important thing to know is whether the facility you are visiting is an assisted living facility, a home plus, or a nursing home. The industry is changing drastically and there is a big push toward resident centered care. Instead of the caregivers making the decision about what a person needs or wants we should be letting the person tell caregivers what they want. There are nursing homes that are building and developing homes, setting up “neighborhoods” within the facility. The goal is to provide the care that’s needed while preserving the person’s independence and dignity.The problem that comes up with environments other than nursing homes is that they can be very expensive and folks with limited funds cannot afford assisted living. If the person’s primary payer source is Medicaid they will have to go to the nursing home unless they are on home bound community services. If a person goes to assisted living they usually have to be somewhat self sufficient and able to feed and toilet themselves. The “greenhouses” are being build by several companies are for those residents that need a higher level of care and are excellent for the most part and are the way of the future. If you want to know about those in you area check out the Dept on Aging web site and the Nursing Home Compare site.
Thanks all —
The info is for a friend of mine — Mom died 10 years ago, Dad 6 yrs before her. – - I don’t remember the Hearth House concept being available back then ….
RD — thanks for the info — nursing home lite seems a good analogy …..
JwinkGood idea — I will support in any way I can to get the Beagle to do that —– but I’m still working on them giving more recognition to our soldiers etc ……..
Pmom — Good advice thanks — that was one of the reasons we didn’t put Mom in a nursing home or ALC (the biggie was she wanted to die at her dream home they built {a raised ranch / bungalow in the city) or at least spend most of her final days there) .
Mary — Good answer thanks !!! 20 in Wichita ? I’ll check that out may email you for more info
MrC — thanks — who does the evaluation of the patients? If you can answer – What was your sisters opposition based on? Personal choice or medical opinion? (No answer required if you feel it too personal)
Fundie — thanks a lot, your comments brought tears to my eyes really, have great memories of those days with Mom — thanks !!! Was never a hardship —- it certainly was the best and hardest thing I ever did ..
Brenda — thanks good points, Greenhouses ? Catchy nick name
Harold — Cookie?
After this early morning posts, I got to thinking about the joy and pain and thought that maybe sharing the “joy” here might inspire some to call Mom / Dad, visit a sick friend, the VA … etc ……
Initially mom would screech out Keennnnnniee (you’d have to be there) …. when she needed something and couldn’t get out of bed. I put a metal hand bell on her night stand , and it was way too loud, then a ceramic bell that was quieter ….. If I didn’t show up “RIGHT NOW” she’d ring it continuously , even after I said be right there —- one day I got tired of it and stuffed it with cotton so it wouldn’t make a sound —- when she screeched my name and said the bell is broken — I showed her the cotton and told her about my issue with the bell and kidding said next time you ring it more than twice it will be broken …… she smiled and said “I really just wanted you closer … “
She taught me how to make her potato pancakes from scratch, beef w/mushroom gravy, little pecan cups / cookies, how to get scrambled eggs as fluffy as hers …..
I got all the dirt she had on my brothers (I have tons of fun with that at holidays), and the gossip about relatives and neighbors ….
Took her to church on Saturday evenings, one night I asked her what the numbers where on the sign next to the side altar, (I knew what they were) she said those are hymnal numbers — I replied — … thought they were last nights winning lotto numbers — a quick jab to my ribs, and a laugh that forced the oxygen tube from her nose ….. Priceless ….
Lots of others —- but finally
After 7 years of her fighting her ailments, seeing her at rest and peace ……
The issue now on Ms Goodling is whether she accepts the offer; there was some discussion at the time she announced she would assert her Fifth Amendment rights if this was the opening ante in trying to get immunity. The offer is, as I understand it, for “limited-use” immunity, which is likely not what she was trying to get.
The last sentence is accurate… and funny.
‘Move to block emissions ’swindle’ DVD’http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2064925,00.html“Sir John Houghton, former head of the Met Office, and Bob May, former president of the Royal Society, are among 37 experts who have called for the DVD to be heavily edited or removed from sale. The film, the Great Global Warming Swindle, was first shown on March 8, and was criticised by scientists as distorted and misleading….Dr Allen said: “What Martin Durkin and Channel 4 don’t understand is the way science works. Science is about the arguments, not the people who make them.”…The letter was coordinated by Bob Ward, a former press officer with the Royal Society. He said: “This isn’t about censorship, it’s a question of quality control.We have no objection to the DVD being distributed if all the errors are corrected, but if they correct all the errors then the whole premise of the program will fall to pieces.” “
Link to the open letter asking that ’swindle’ be heavily edited, or not sold.http://www.climateofdenial.net
A bit more; the reason I term the House vote today as an “offer” is because under the law, the grant must be issued by a federal court. The committee must file an application for the same with the court, and give the AG 10 days notice. Thereafter, DOJ has 20 days to produce, in camera, evidence of any ongoing criminal investigations which might be adversely affected by a grant of immunity. From what I read in kfg’s link, as well as the story on cnn.com, there does not appear to be a problem in this regard.
From various sources on the net, I also learned that if she doesn’t appear voluntarily (hence my comment on acceptance), the committee issues a subpoena, triggering the immunity grant; then, should she not appear, she may be prosecuted for contempt of congress, punishable by up to one year in prison if convicted.
Why “limited-use” is important to Ms Goodling, IMO; it doesn’t cover perjured testimony. She, as I recall, in asserting her Fifth Amendment rights, was concerned about a “perjury trap”; this is not cured by a grant of “limited-use” immunity. However, I’m at a loss on this, as she has not provided testimony under oath nor to the FBI on the matter at hand; thus, it is hard to imagine a perjury charge if she truthfully testifies.
Dangers of hard-core drug addiction. This dangerous addictive drug should be illegal in any form:
http://www.kansas.com/197/story/53992.html
I wonder if Cosmos has chapped lips from following the Gorical so closely?
Wait Upon the Lord
After starting a new diet I altered my drive to work to avoid passing my favorite bakery.I accidentally drove by the bakery this morning and as I approached, there in the window were a host of goodies.I felt this was no accident, so I prayed … “Lord, it’s up to you, if you want me to have any of those delicious goodies, create a parking place for me directly in front of the bakery.” And sure enough, on the eighth time around the block, there it was!God is so Good!”
then —-
A woman calls her boss one morning and tells him that she is staying home because she is not feeling well.”What’s the matter?” he asks .”I have a case of anal glaucoma,” she says in a weak voice.”What the hell is anal glaucoma?”
“I can’t see my ass coming into work today.
credit both from my angel of a daughter in law ….. in chicago
“thus, it is hard to imagine a perjury charge if she truthfully testifies.”
Well Vaughn, maybe she knows something we dont know.
Like what she will have to say in order to avoid the wrath of the BFEE?
Why would you worry about immunity and a lie if you were not planning to um, lie?
I guess she could always say “I dont recall”.
I feel a new drinking game coming on involving cspan and how many times someone says “I dont recall”.
oh……. and I think I did a little to resolve her issue with Jews ….
I got a p/t job working for a Jewish philanthropist to get me out of the house for 20 hrs a week ….
There was a front page article about my boss’s dad and the head of another wealthy family in Chicago donating 60 million to IIT for a new engineering building —- she saw it and lamented kind of angrily —”…. those damn jews throwing there money around like that ….. ”
after a moment — I said to her “… you’re just mad they didn’t give it to you … ”
never heard another word about it or laments
Speaking of “I don’t recall”, from something read in a hurry earlier in the day on cnn.com, Sen. Specter and Sen. Leahy have sent a letter to the Attorney General encouraging him to refresh his memory and provide answers to the 71 questions he answered that way in front of the committee.
Ken–it was the director, someone with no real medical experience. My sister had friends who were financing a brand new nursing home, so Mom went there…with two other residents clear at the other end of the building.
Republican,
Please use your “degree isn’t a science degree” to prove that ‘Swindle’ did NOT make the following misrepresentations.
http://www.climateofdenial.net/?q=node/3
* “Now” equals the year 1975.* Graphs from NASA that are significantly different from NASA’s graphs.* False claim that model and recorded data are inconsistent for global average temperatures.* False claim that volcanoes produce more CO2 than humans.* “… clearly misrepresented the conclusions of the paper by Caillon and his co-authors”* Dr. Carl Wunsch: “…diametrically opposite to the point I was making – which is that global warming is both real and threatening”.* “The programme acutely misrepresented the current state of knowledge about the impact of solar activity on global average temperature.”
And… you can get $100 in iTunes, if you’re the 1st person to find the department of climatology at the University of Winnipeg.http://www.desmogblog.com/a-global-warming-swindle-play-by-play
Thanks MrC
Will put that on the list — staff backgrounds / experience
Remember Cosmos, we are done discussing GW.
Since you won’t admit not having a Science degree Cosmos, you’re not credit. In fact, less than credible.
Personally, I think Cosmos is one of those Journalist who thinks he’s a Global Warming Specialist because he can read non-scientific papers and declares himself the purveyor of truth.
“Since you won’t admit not having a Science degree Cosmos, you’re not credit. In fact, less than credible.”
You quote Limbaugh, who has a degree in OxyContin, but you DEMAND that someone else have a SCIENCE degree before they are allowed to comment on Global Warming. And you don’t have a degree in science either, so what the hell?
Republican, aren’t you the guy that tried to say that Bush invaded Iraq to spread democracy by quoting his 2004 State of the Union address – the one he gave eight months after the invasion? That was you, right. And now you challenge someone else’s credibility? Wow, that takes balls, man. You must have a sack filled with nuts manufactured by Ebonite. Do you have to use a wheelbarrow to get around?
The WEBlog boycotters came back. The liberal-dominated Wichita Voices wasn’t satisfying. Not enough DEBATE there. And frankly, without the liberals participation WEBLlog was pathetically anemic. With one-sided discourse, it was really lame.
So. now here we are again with multilateral arguments. Long live WEBlogs contributors and their contributions. Hurrah to all of you!
FYI
Yesterday:
Limbaugh plays “Barack The Magic Negro” on his show ……
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/509
….. let the debate (games) begin
He’s a big fat ugly drug addicted bigot and hypocrite. Just hearing his arrogant voice raises my blood pressure, like nails on a chalk board.
Mary — don’t hold back — how do you really feel? (tongue in cheek)
I have never listened to him for more than 5 – 10 seconds —- way too radical / fanatical —- but that’s entertainment according to Fox noise …
Republican–
You had a chance to destroy a trained Gore acolyte at the Library presentation Monday night.
You could debate all her points about measurable temperature increases matching CO2 levels in the atmosphere, rising ocean levels, more acidic ocean water, melting glaciers on all five continents, the first ever hurricane in the Southern Hemisphere last year, massive increases in damage costs for insurance due to severe weather, dead and bleached coral reefs, toppling trees due to melting permafrost, the twelve hottest years on record in the last fifteen years, warm-loving insect pests like malarial mosquitos and tsetse flies and ticks moving into and expanding their range etc. etc.
Since you didn’t bother to show up and say anything, why don’t you quit showing up here and spouting your usual crap?
I’m glad that Lamebaugh is doing this kind of racist humor.
Nobody that listens to him is going to vote for a Democratic candidate anyway.
But a lot of independents will be sickened and repelled by his message of hate and intolerance, and rightly so.
We need to have a Lamebaugh around just so people can see what the face of racism and bigotry looks like.
And so they can see the alternative.
Go easy on him, Capn’American, he is a poor broken down vet that just wants to get along with everyone. He loves everybody, he just has a hard time showing it. His heart (attack)is in the right place.
Republican,
I’m very sorry that your degree, which “isn’t a science degree”, prevents you from playing, ‘What’s wrong with this picture?’
http://www.desmogblog.com/dsblog-game-whats-wrong-with-this-picture
Since YOUR degree somehow prevents you from doing simple research, and thinking, I’ll help, and provide you the answers.
1) The Univ. of Winnipeg does NOT now (or ever in the past) have a Dept. of Climatology.2) Tim Ball is a RETIRED professor of GEOGRAPHY, Univ. of Winnipeg.3) Tim Ball is currently Chairman of a group of energy lobbyists.http://www.nrsp.com/people.html
Please let us know if you’re unable to understand the above 3 points, since your degree “isn’t a science degree”.
Hope all had a good day –
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2 Prayers to consider tonight:
For the Armed Forces:
Almighty God, stretch forth your mighty arm to strengthen and protect the armed forces: grant that, meeting danger with courage and all occasions with discipline and loyalty, they may truly serve the cause of justice and peace; to the honour of your holy name, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
and
Christaraksha – an Indian Prayer before sleep
May the cross of the Son of God,which is mightier than all the hosts of Satan,and more glorious than all the hosts of heaven,abide with us in our going out and our coming in.By day and night, at morning and at evening,at all times and in all placesmay it protect and defend us.From the wrath of evildoers,from the assaults of evil spirits,from foes visible and invisible,from the snares of the devil,from all passions that beguile the soul and bodymay it guard, protect and deliver us. Amen.
Yeah, thanks, Bob–
After RepubliCON pours boiling lead down somebody’s throat and gets attacked for it . . . then he plays the hurt victim:
“Make fun of me, the crippled vet, all you want, Mr. Gay Commie Junkie. But never make fun of my FLAG!”
Hoo boy.
Bob,
re: Democracy For Iraq Before the WarIf you would stop drinking before you post, your reading comprehension might go up. I showed you in the State of the Union Address. the Law passed under the Clinton Administration and the law passed in 2003 by Congress. You just stubbornly to acknowledge the truth.
Capn,
I gave my degree in return and as a word of honor that Cosmos would give his. He broke his word and did not give his degrees and still won’t He’s the one who is dishonored.
If you want to make fun of handicapped people Capn, go ahead if it makes you feel big. You use anything for talking points. I hope you get in a carwreck and lose the use of your legs so you can see how it feels.
Cosmos,
I have no idea who Tim Ball is nor do I care.
Why didn’t put up Lindzen Cosmos? Are you going to dispute his PhD in Meteorology specializing in Ocean Climatology?
Again, I’ll ask for Cosmos degree or degrees and his science background, he won’t do it because he is dishonorable. I gave mine his on the condition he would give his.
Cosmos is discredited and can’t be trusted.
Oh for Christ sake Repub, admit you were wrong and shut the f up. God, what a pantywaist loser you are. Grow some or die trying. What a big baby you are.
Repub, when push comes to shove, do you spit or swallow?
The only GW Bushies’ believe in is the man himself!
From my friend, Bill:
Terrorists want us out of Iraq.
Democrats want us out of Iraq.
Therefore, Democrats support terrorism.
I carefully explained to him that the ability to draw a specific point of commonality between two elements is not sufficient to draw a conclusion that those two elements have anything else whatsoever in common. I could say:
The pope opposes abortion.
George Bush opposes abortion.
Osama bin Laden opposes abortion.
Therefore, The Pope supports Bush and bin Laden, Bush supports the pope and bin Laden, and bin Laden supports the pope and Bush.
I tried to get him to understand that misusing a logical device in order to support a contention only serves to corrupt and mangle whatever dialogue is in progress, and that a person who does this sort of thing either does it unknowingly, in which case a re-examination of one’s understanding of logical process is in order; or they do it intentionally, in which case not only is their intended point justifiably dismissable, but they reveal themselves to be the worst sort of charlatan. [Fleetwood, anybody?]
http://wtetw.com/journal.htm
Don’t go getting all logical on us now Mr. Davis.
Bob,You wouldn’t even read what I wrote and complained about the hyperlink not working to the Congressional Law site (Thomas) You even had the exact bill number to look it up and read what I wrote word for word in the thread.
You’re wrong and refuse to admit. It’s right there in law passed by Congress the reason we went to war in Iraq. Democracy sought by the Clinton administration, signed by Clinton and that law once again referenced by the US Congress in 2003 for justification for going to war.
Read it and weep.
The Democratic Hypocrites hate to acknowledge the truth when it’s right in front of their eyes.
It’s okay Bob, everyone knows you are a Fister who promised but broke that promise five minutes later. You’re even using someone else’s AOL email account.
Unless you are the Robert67@AOL com that is responsible for a child’s death with that animal, plus numerous other attacks by your traveling zoo.
Why are you using a stolen email Bob?
(Why are you using a stolen email Bob?)
The e-mail address is fictional to keep morons likeyou from harrassing me.
You are a man ? that has way too much time (and other things) on your hands. What is a Fister? I knew a girl years ago that was a Fister, but she couldn’t take it if your hands were too big.
You like to throw stones Repuke but you can’t take the return fire. What a vagina you are.
Wait – I like vaginas.
I don’t like you.
And what does all this have to do with Busch? He said that we invaded Iraq because Saddam Hussein was a threat to America and he had weapons that could kill us all. Where was democracy in all that shit?
Bob and Republican,
You guys need to study your logical arguments. As my friend, Bob, asserts there is no logic operating when one is after ideological points, only.
I don’t necessarily want us all to get along, but I would like for us all to be honest about the stuff we’re peddling.
I am confused now, Mr Davis, did we attack the sovereign nation of Iraq because they were a threat to us or did we attack them because we wanted to spread democracy like peanut butter on crackers? If we wanted to spread peanut butter, shouldn’t we have started with Florida instead of a foreign country?
“As my friend, ‘Bob’ = should have been “‘Bill’”
Bob,
As you know, that is a good question. I am in hope that the U.S. congress will get to the bottom of the question you raise.
Republican,
“I gave my degree in return and as a word of honor that Cosmos would give his. He broke his word…”
100%, totally, and completely FALSE. I never said I’d post my degrees… I said they were IRRELEVANT.
Ben even agreed with my points that “[s]cience is very specialized”, etc..http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_23.html#comment-67520682
Republican: “I have no idea who Tim Ball is nor do I care.”
It’s VERY odd that you’re so clueless about one of the top AGW deniers.http://www.desmogblog.com/timothy-f-ball-tim-ball
Republican: “Why didn’t put up Lindzen Cosmos? Are you going to dispute his PhD in Meteorology specializing in Ocean Climatology?”
HEH!!! why don’t YOU “put up” Dr. Carl Wunsch, who has very strongly criticized the way ‘Swindle’ misrepresented him, and climate science.
Try to “dispute” his MIT credentials, work, and criticism of ‘Swindle’.http://puddle.mit.edu/~cwunsch/
Lindzen, Tim Ball, and other AGW deniers were also in the very inaccurate ‘Swindle’.
See Cosmos keeps bringing up people I’ve never mentioned as proof of exactly what.
Cosmos is losing it folks. Not only does he not have a science degree, he does not even have a degree in anything. Yet, he criticizes me for having degrees with college science courses of which Cosmos has never had.
So Cosmos is a high school drop out that uses hyperlinks to argue his point because he has no science background.
So what is inaccurate about Lindzen statement. In your own words Cosmos, not from a hyperlink…
In your own words. Tell me with your non-science high school drop out status in your own words – no hyperlinks.
You can’t can you Cosmos, cause you don’t know jack with being a parrot of a hyperlink. Isn’t that right Cosmos?
So Bob admits to using a stolen email. That’s a reportable offense to AOL and this Blog.
For Gods sake, Republican, get over yourself. You are undoubtedly the biggest pompous ass that I have ever come across. Get a grip man. No one takes your seriously. What a douche you have made of yourself.
Sorry a douche has some value.
Report me.
Events leading up to Iraq War and description of the Liberation of Iraq into Public Law
I don’t even think our resident lawyers can argue against this that Congress passed a Law twice to help Iraq achieve Democracy.
Bob will just use one of drunken stupid phrases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraqtext describing the 1998 act signed by President Clinton
“The United States Congress also passed the “Iraq Liberation Act” in October 1998 after Iraq hadterminated its cooperation with the U.N. in August. The act provided $97 million for Iraqi”democratic opposition organizations” in order to”establish a program to support a transition to democracy in Iraq.” (Public Law 105-338)
2002Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Reported in House)
“Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime”Forces against Iraq.Sponsor: Rep Hastert, J. Dennis [IL-14]
(introduced 10/2/2002) Cosponsors (136)Related Bills: H.RES.574, H.J.RES.110, S.J.RES.45,
S.J.RES.46Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 107-243
2004 State of The Union Address supporting Democracy for Iraqhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040120-7.html
Notice how both bills passed Congress for the purposes of:
“…remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”
This is Public Law, it is referenced and on the books.
Part of the goals was to help Iraq achieve a democratic government.
The Liberal naysayers can cry all they want, but it is written, passed and approved by both the House and Senate of the United States that we will help Iraq achieve a Democratic government.
Oh and Bob, I did report you for using a stolen Email address to AOL and WE Blog.
Report someone? heheheheh
Gee, that sounds an AWFUL lot like JM. What a coincidence….
BUT . . . BUT . . . BUT . . .
RepubliCON has given his word that he’s never posted as JM.
Why isn’t that good enough for you, KSFgrrl?
Hehehehehehehe
Republican,
I ALREADY explained why I wouldn’t give you my degrees.
* Degrees alone don’t prove competency — example = JM’s totally idiotic rants about Scripps.* YOU don’t respect the degrees of the large majority of climate scientists.http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_21.html#comment-67288606
I also explained:”Science is very specialized. Even highly credentialed and qualified scientists rely on other scientists, when the topic is outside their field of expertise.”http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_23.html#comment-67519128
Dr. Huie agreed with me, in the following post.
I ALREADY told you in my “own words” what was wrong with Lindzen’s op-ed.
“Lindzen tries to twist the unknowns about ice into less “consensus” about AGW, which is completely false.
Some other falsehoods in his op-ed:The Arctic was colder in the 1940’s than it is now.Greenland’s meltwater areas have been expanding.CO2 is not a “minor” infrared absorber.Peiser has admitted his study was wrong.Satellite data shows warming in the atmosphere.”http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/climate_change_.html#comment-67033538
Your failure to read my posts is tiresome.
Try to defend YOUR opinions, instead of attacking me, and making very false assumptions about my education.