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GSSheridan, in another thread said,
“It’s none of your business.” why her parents sent her away to boarding school, which is to say, why they didn’t want her to be in their home. She was DEEEPLY HURT, but doesn’t want to publicly talk about something that shapes her views.
When your parents REJECT YOU, does this affect your viewpoint? I think it does.
In Bob Knight’s case, his parents decided to run away, leaving him to fend for himself.
In both cases, you have parents saying ” I don’t want you.” THAT HURTS. DEEPLY.
ksfrmgrrl’s parents abandoned her.
The tragedy is people who procreate children who don’t want to take the burden of responsibility for raising them.
Congratulations to EAGLE’s editorial cartoonist, Richard Crowson, on his “Crowson’s View” cartoon yesterday on Sunday.
The cartoon was titled, “Gambling, a Two-Faced Card.” In that one drawing, it summed up who wins and who loses by gambling casinos.
Local and state governments “win” from additional revenue, in reality, taxes on gambling, thereby allowing government to expand even more. Kansas already has the dubious distinction of having more government employees per thousand population than any other state in America.
On the other hand, citizens will be greatly harmed. A friend, a lawyer/businessman living near a casino elsewhere says that bankruptcies, boarded up business buildings, divorces skyrocketed in that vicinity — generally swept under the rug as “social costs.”
Keep in mind, gambling brings in NO new dollars — its all paid from revenue drawn from this area, a kind of pyramid using your local money. The only “product” is ringing of bells, some flashing lights and an occasional sound of small change being disgorged to “winners.”
Fun anyone?
Very true, JWink….I am at a loss to understand why so many people are in a rush to throw their money away. I loved the way the law was written, 87% payback on slots. That tells me, on average, for every dollar put in, the player will get back 87 cents. And this is an attraction for people?
Gas: $3.35 in san fransisco; $2.65 in minneapolis.
Ain’t addiction a good thing? The oil companies are no different than drug dealers. Feed em cheap gas until they’re hooked, then jack the price until you gotta rob to pay for the addiction. Gotta love it.
My father is addicted to gambling, and I don’t want to see restrictions. It’s just like anything else. It’s his life.
Lots of addicts end up trading one addiction for another when they quit one.
I don’t think anyone is going to see this big whoosh of broke people because of a casino. That would be like saying everyone who lives around it will suddenly become addicts.
If you want to cure addictions, you’re going to have to look at the root causes and biology of why people get addicted in the first place.
Food, Alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, video games.
Gonna outlaw them all?
Mark, I think it’s mean to be bringing up things like that on here. No matter how you feel about someone.
Tomorrow is Equal Pay Day. It’s time for women and minorities to demand their share.
Women Deserve Equal Pay
For full-time, year-round workers, women are paid on average only about 77% of what men are paid; for women of color, the gap is even wider. These wage gaps stubbornly remain despite the passage of the Equal Pay Act more than 40 years ago, and a variety of legislation prohibiting employment discrimination.
Women are still not receiving equal pay for equal work, let alone equal pay for work of equal value. This disparity not only affects women’s spending power; it penalizes their retirement security by creating gaps in social security and pensions.
In 2005, women’s median annual earnings were only $.77 for every $1.00 earned by men. For women of color, the gap is even worse – only $.71 for African American women and $.58 for Latinas.
The General Accounting Office compiled data from the Current Population Survey regarding the ten industries that employ 71 percent of U.S. women workers and 73 percent of U.S. women managers. In seven of the ten industries examined, the pay gap between full-time male and female managers widened between 1995 and 2000.
If women received the same wages as men who work the same number of hours, have the same education and union status, are the same age, and live in the same region of the country, then these women’s annual income would rise by $4,000 and poverty rates would be cut in half. Working families would gain an astounding $200 billion in family income annually.
Pay equity in female-dominated jobs (jobs in which women comprise 70 percent or more of the workforce) would increase wages for women by approximately 18 percent.
Fifty-five percent of all women work in female-dominated jobs (jobs in which women comprise 70 percent or more of the workforce) whereas only 8.5 percent of all men work in these occupations. However, the men working in female-dominated jobs still receive about 20 percent more than women who work in female-dominated jobs.
Women are paid less in every occupational classification for which sufficient information is available, according to the data analysis in over 300 job classifications provided by the U.S. Department of Labor Statistics.
In 1963, the year of the Equal Pay Act’s passage, full-time working women were paid 59 cents on average to the dollar received by men, while in 2005 women were paid 77 cents for every dollar received by men. In other words, for the last 42 years, the wage gap has only narrowed by less than half of a penny per year.
now.org/issues/economic/factsheet.html
Pmom…your stats left out one rather significant part..length of time on the job. The stats talk about hours/education/union, etc., but not about length of time/seniority.
By way of example, my ex wife did not work regularly. She would work at one job for a while, then quit and about a year later, would find another job. In essense, she continually worked at entry level jobs. As such, her pay was less than mine with 30 years steady employment in the same field.
Some women I work with have returned to the workforce after staying home to raise children. Again, their pay is more reflective of experience/longevity than it is gender.
In my 30 + years of professional work, I have never, ever been in an environment that pays more/less based on gender.
I see the opposite effect.
Women getting promoted and receiving more pay than men. This is especially true in government, but I see it everywhere else. Regardless of seniority, education background, or merit.
Some I’ve meet or worked with clearly deserved it. Some, surely didn’t, but they were good looking with a hot body. You get the picture.
But that’s life! Good looking women and men often times get promoted and better pay. I believe there is a study on that as well.
ROFL – Mark surely is a creative individual. That’s the first time anyone has ever said my parents didn’t want me.
Gee – and all this time I thought I was a well-loved, spoiled kid. Oh no, maybe I’ll have to go into therapy to deal with my newly-discovered rejection. lol
A chuckle to start my day.
Thanks Mark. :)
Raptor, your stats don’t make sense. Wonder why black men make less? And Hispanic even with the same education? They don’t take time off for childrearing usually.
The stats are the stats, women of all colors make less than men and it’s not because of longevity or child rearing. Note all of the fields compare women of EQUAL education, not all women get their education right after high school and not all men do. The time frame would even itself out. Career women don’t take that much time off from work after they have children.
And there are men who switch jobs too, get injured and have to take time off, so just because your wife did, doesn’t mean squat. The fact is that she’s paid less for her knowledge, her experience, her education. Simply because she is a woman. That should bother you.
Blacks/Hispanics are a totally different issue. I was addressing the sole issue you brought up, with one very substantive reason why looking at limited stats is not an accurate reflection.
So, you are saying that because someone is a woman, then her paycheck is less? Ok, prove it. Show me two people, employed by the same company, with the same experience and education, in the same job. Don’t use averages, statistics or generalizations. Show concrete examples. Please provide names of this situation without generalizations. Can you do that?
I know for an absolute fact the places I have worked for over 30 years have not made gender a deciding factor on pay scales.
How about self worth and negotiating? I am a consultant and hop from contract to contract. If there is a contract available, but I don’t like the bill rate, I don’t take it. If I am in a contract and don’t get the annual raise I think I deserve, I either apply more pressure or drop the contract.
I know hiring managers that prefer women because they expect less. Same might hold true for the other categories mentioned.
No one needs t hold my hand thru this or help me make decisions. I know what the job I do is worth and accept nothing less.
“Show me two people, employed by the same company, with the same experience and education, in the same job.”
Raptor, that is the problem right there. I’ve spent a little time in human resources, and when it is desired to hire someone at a higher pay, they create a new job title or position to avoid those comparisons.
But since you asked…
This was a long time ago, when I was just out of college, with my newly minted degree in banking and finance. I had already experience for two years as a teller, both part time and full time.
So when I graduated? I was stuck in customer accounting, the lowest positions in the bank, at minimum wage.
I didnt mind, thought I would just work my way up, until they hired a part time, one time, summer intern, a junior in college with NO degree, at TWICE the salary they paid me.
The only difference? Other than my cum laude degree and experience? He was a man, I was a woman. And THAT was said to me by the president of the bank. In 1978. Lawsuits were out of the question, I knew I’d never work in that town again if I made a fuss.
So technically, we were not in the same job title nor did we have the same experience. His title was lower on the org chart, his education and experience were lower than mine. But my pay was lower than his. Go figure.
If that isnt discrimination, I dont know what is.
So now, I cant wait for the cries of “but that’s just one old example”. I’ll pre-emptively reply that with cons, one example’s too many and a hundred wouldnt be enough.
Oh, and yahoo had a news post today that said the diparity in wages between men and women starts in ONE YEAR after graduation from college.
I think that precludes the “women take more time off” argument. What is true, is that companies EXPECT women to take more time off, no matter whether they actually do or not. They slot women into the lower paying positions.
And, as mentioned above, when they do that, there is no way to do an equal comparison.
Schooley, heheh, I was adopted as an infant, so the only parents I ever knew were ALWAYS there for me.
If you want to tag everyone who is adopted as abandoned…
… I think I’ll just let that comment stand on it’s own and ring in the air.
Or maybe we should ring the joe williams/fleetwood bell? Heheheheheheh!
Ok, if we are going back 29 years, I offer the following:I was discriminated against because I am male..there was a promotion opportunity available, I had the time in title, experience, and I applied. The supervisor for that position was asking every woman in the company if they wanted the job, AND he was stopping women on the street, asking if they were interested in a job. No, I did not get the promotion, and a newly hired woman did.
Lawsuit? Not a chance.
Today, there are laws, codes, regulations and audits to prevent that kind of gender bias. Are they perfect? Of course not. But to blanket claim that women make less only because of their gender is overlooking many other things. My example of my ex wife was meant solely as ONE example of the danger of generalizing based on some selective statistics.
Raptor said: “My example of my ex wife was meant solely as ONE example of the danger of generalizing based on some selective statistics.”
Farmgirl said:”So now, I cant wait for the cries of “but that’s just one old example”. I’ll pre-emptively reply that with cons, one example’s too many and a hundred wouldnt be enough.”
Can I call ‘em or WHAT! Raptor, you and your right wing buddies are ever so predictable. You only took SIX minutes to make my prediction come true!
Of the Fortune 500 companies, how many of them have women CEOs? 10. That’s one out of 50. How many Fortune 100 companies have women at the helm? Zero.
Things are changing, gradually. The vast majority of universities today, including every university in Kansas, have more female than male students. The once male-exclusive Ivy League is fully co-ed. Women are still underrepresented in the high-paying fields of science and engineering, but their percentages are growing.
Today roughly half the nation’s law students are women. The nation’s second-ranked public university, and a world-class research university at that, Michigan, has a woman president.
We have the first woman Speaker of the House in history, and the first female candidate for President. We have 16 female Senators, a record, but of course that’s far short of our 84 male Senators.
Women represent close to half of the nation’s medical school enrollees, but in post-graduate residency training and practice women are strongly steered to do lower-paying primary care, and leave the highest-paying specialties, including OB-GYN, to mostly males. Things are changing in this pattern, albeit more slowly than they should be.
California is the nation’s trendsetter. It was the first state to elect two simultaneously-sitting woman Senators in the 1990s (later joined by Maine and Washington). Thirty-five percent of California’s House delegation is female. This compares to 11% for the other states’ combined average. Although California has only 12% of the House’s members, its women 27% of the House’s female delegates. And notably, the Speaker is a San Franciscan.
But even for this leading-progressive state, gender equity is yet to be realized. Hewlett-Packard, the company that gave birth to the “Silicon Valley”, is the only Fortune 100 company in history to have hired a woman to be CEO/COB, and that didn’t work out. She (Carly Fiorina) was hired just before the tech bubble burst, and was saddled with the resultant difficulties. But she dreamed up a merger with Compaq, took flack for replacing top Compaq execs with HP execs, and was herself replaced by a man. Nevertheless this female strategic visionary was responsible for HP’s becoming the #1 PC maker, passing Dell. (Michael Dell’s relinquishment of CEO duties down in Texas undoubtedly helped HP, so he’s resumed the helm to try to get that numero uno ranking back.)
Oops, I made a miscalculation. I said that 11% of our U.S. House members outside of California are women. The number is actually 13%.
Farmie…sorry to burst your self congratulatory bubble, but I did not prove your prediction right in any way, shape or form. You earlier stated:So now, I cant wait for the cries of “but that’s just one old example”.
I never once claimed your example was invalid or insufficient. Nor did I disparage your personal experience. I was offering another experience that differed from yours. More in illustration of how the system is not perfect than anything else.
I am not attacking you or any group of people in my discussion and would appreciate it if you could refrain from assigning characteristics of behavior based on political preference.
I should have mentioned Julie Packard, a marine biologist, who came up with an idea to build a marine aquarium and a research center. (A daughter of one of HP’s founders.)
Anyway, she had a lot of money and used it to not to do the trustafarian jet-setting thing, but instead create The Monterey Bay Aquarium. It was her brainchild. It’s not just “cool”, it’s awesome. They have done things that nobody else can. Like raise and release great white sharks.
If any of you or your children are interested in nature, and are taking a California vacation, this is a must-see stop. You’ll remember it for the rest of your lives.
A woman created this world-heritage treasure.
Mark this sounds like a great place to take the grandkids. I think we are going to the other coast this summer though. One son is being transferred to Mannassas, Virginia so we are taking this opportunity to show all the grandkids DC since it is only 45 minutes away and accessible by public transportation all the way. Driving/parking in DC is the pits.
On the women in jobs discussion: When I first started working in the late 60’s a boss actually told me that the reason a man in the same position as me with the same qualifications was making more was because he was the bread winner for his family and I wasn’t. He of course couldn’t do that now without being challenged. Now they would just embellish his job description with a little more responsibility and justify the extra money. It is a sign that some things have changed and some things unfortunately remain the same.
Prior to River Festival, the city “cleans up” the streets and river area by clearing out any homeless folks they can find. They do this by performing what many consider “illegal sweeps” of the area to confiscate and dispose of the belongings of those living in the public areas.
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/crimreport/constitutional.html
Being a provider of some of the items that are thrown in the trash, it is very disheartening for us because it forces these people to come back for things that we have already provided. At the very least, the city should be forced to HOLD these possessions for a period of time so they can be re-claimed. Better yet, give them somewhere they can go WITH their possessions until the Homeless Coalition can provide for them. If the Wichita Eagle has a heart, it would be a good opportunity to shed some light on this annual travesy before it happens this year!
Oh man, let the whining, wailing and gnashing of teeth begin. It will be predictable. The members of this panel will be trashed, the wingnuts will scream about act-ee-vist judges, and the wingnuts will try an end run. Because you know, it’s NEVER over for them.
http://www.kansas.com/197/story/52083.html
Oh, and germie? You want to talk about tax dollars flying out the window for unnecessary stuff?
Call little timmy huelskamp. He’s the biggest offender of all time.
ks-sam – I am one of those who will be cleaning along the river the weekend before River festival. Problem is, we wouldn’t have anywhere to put things anyway. My suggestion (and i will be sending this through other channels I have) is to advise people to roll their things up and stash ‘way up high’ under a bridge. I think that if that is done the likelihood of it getting removed is reduced.
Another suggestion – join the groups doing the clean-ups. The Ark River Coalition will be doing the Big River north of the confluence; Sierra Club will be helping between the confluence and Kellogg; and the South Wichita revitalization group south of Kellogg. The more help the better.
OMG, I’m laughing so hard at this I can hardly breathe. It’s not political, but maybe it is since the wingers are whining about toilet paper today…
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×734580
The comments are so funny I laughed until I cried. I wish we had the ROFLMAO icon here.
“An Inconvenient Truth: The Live Version” is at the library tonight.
Wonder how many wing-nuts want to go toe to toe with Al Gore’s trained proxy?
Would love to see the Limbaugh-ites tell the environmental researchers present how “the sun is getting hotter” and watch them flush right-wing turd science into the sewer where it belongs.
http://www.kansas.com/197/story/51980.html
Well, I wouldnt expect JM to be there until after dark. He seems allergic to sunlight. He wont have the guts to say that crap in public. I’m pretty sure germie wont be there either. And paulie rosselli?
heheheheheheheeheheehehehehehehhe
Facts are the ultimate incovenience. I think the cave folks will pick truthiness for $100 instead.
The Climate Project. Who are they?
1,000 trained presenters. Who is paying for this indoctrination?
It would be interesting following the money.
Outlander, with all due respect, I’m guessing it is NOT the gw deniers? It certainly isnt the taxpayers.
I wonder who pays for the discovery institute and the indoctrination of their presenters?
Follow the money, ya know?
Gee, outlander, why don’t you come and have your questions answered.
Or would you like to just snipe from a safe distance?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
No, any judgement that doesn’t go Troy Newman’s way will be met with whining about injustice and unfairness.
I can’t believe anyone still listens to them.
Here we go again. No wonder Kansas gets a bad rap – our most vocal Democrat just won’t quit annoying good folks:
[quote]““The evidence is they were not Christian. God does not do that to his servants,” Phelps-Roper said. “You don’t need to look any further for evidence those people are in hell.”
Cho Seung-Hui, the Virginia Tech student responsible for the killings who took his own life after the shootings, was sent by God to punish those he killed, and America as a whole, for moral decline, said Phelps-Roper, while adding that she believes Cho is also in hell for violating God’s commandment to not kill.
“He is in hell,” Phelps-Roper said. Well, she is right about THAT…. “But he was also fulfilling the word of God.” [end quote]
By David Miller© MMVII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Thanks for nothing Westboro Baptists.
sheesh
Raptor you want a real life example, that is from the recent past?
Ok, when I was a CMA not even 7 years ago, I found out that one of the laziest POS men who I worked with made more than I did, even though I had been employed twice as long as he had, and always ran circles around him. This guy would put people to bed wet and leave them that way. He was only a CNA, a lower rank than I. When I asked about why men make more in our work (I couldn’t be direct or I could have been fired just for KNOWING how much he made)… I was told because men won’t stay in the job if they don’t pay them more.
I was livid. This POS wasn’t even married, had no kids. And I was working 3 jobs and a single parent.
And what could I do? I was making more there than I could have anywhere else, and I had loads of seniority. I didn’t have to drive out of town. And if I had sued, then what?
STOP labeling those people Democrats. They do not adhere to democratic principles, so therefore he can call himself whatever he wants, doesn’t make it so.
He also claims to be a Christian.
GS – yes, I see. “our most vocal CHRISTIAN just won’t quit annoying good folks” Aren’t you a Christian GS? How do like this guy representing you?
It’s funny you never see Christians comdemn that asshole Phelps, ego all Christians must be assholes.
“GS – yes, I see. ‘our most vocal CHRISTIAN just won’t quit annoying good folks’ Aren’t you a Christian GS? How do like this guy representing you?”
I’m not sure that she is, Ben, but I’ll let her answer that. As partisan as she is, I don’t think she is a Christian Conservative.
That being said:
“Here we go again. No wonder Kansas gets a bad rap – our most vocal Democrat just won’t quit annoying good folks:”
Phelps-Roper is as relevant to the workings of the Kansas Democratic party as she is to Christian conservatives. Neither will have her, neither will listen to her or take her seriously. Therefore, referring to Phelps-Roper as Kansas’ “most vocal Democrat” is nothing more than flame baiting. Period.
Ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, GSheridan wants us all to play nice…..
….in the spirit of civility.
ksagnostic – I agree 100%.
A very good read about The Climate Project, that Cap’n posted about at 3:31 PM,
‘Regular folks join Gore’s fight to rescue the planet’http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/04/22/MNGEMPDE6T1.DTL
http://www.theclimateproject.org/
So.. does that mean we get to continue pinning kkker David Duke on the Republican Party?
Pot and Kettle and all.
The climate project is interesting but can someone explain the policy differences. I am interested in how such a dramatic difference can exactly follow a country border. Just wondering.
Ben..
Join the cleanups? I find the violations of civil rights and the total lack of compassion both astonishing and disgusting. What really amazes me is that noone bats an eye at the social injustice.
Did anyone even read the link? There are lawsuits all over the country for cities doing this very same thing. It’s just not right!
No Ben, I’m not a Christian.
But it’s okay that you call Phelps that – he calls himself that.
He is also a Democrat.
And Al Gore had his picture taken with Freddie.
Oh come on – if Phelps were a Republican – we’d never hear the end of it on this board.
How often do the libs here take every opportunity to trash anyone they don’t like that is with the GOP?
And everything I said, btw, was true – wasn’t it?
It’s funny you never see Christians comdemn that asshole Phelps, ego all Christians must be assholes.- Tom Paine
Dear Tom, it’s “ergo”.
And if you think that Phelps has not been condemned by Christians your head is somewhere that sunshine can’t go.
When we were in NV, they had talk shows about Phelps and Kansas. They called us all kinds of names.
I get tired of KS getting a bad rap for a groups of fanatics that have no decency. And I’m hoping that pointing out that he is a Dem, the Dems who care about our State will clean up the membership in their party.
Is that too much to ask?
Post a picture of Phelps with Gore.
Tom – did you know that there are a good number of Christians in the Patriot Guard?
It is interesting to note that there are people on every side of every spectrum that lablel themselves with something that has no basis in reality. But Phelps is no more a Christian than I am a democrat.
Ben I wish I could come down and help with the clean-up but physically I wouldn’t be much help.
I did become very active in protesting when Kolb wanted to move the library out of the downtown area and many gave as the reason “the street people hang out in there all day”.
They do but my husband and I go there often and have never been bothered by anyone. They are respectful. Clean themselves up as much as possible. Quietly read or sometimes doze off but are not harming anyone. My church brings several vans full of them to our church on Sunday mornings and feeds them breakfast and lunch before taking them back usually with a sack of food.
Please do help in seeing that what little they have isn’t taken from them. I disagree with kansassam in that having talked to several of them over time I realized that they are happy where they are for the most part. Some have a real fear of sleeping inside a building with others. I’m sure there is a solution but I haven’t seen it yet.
ksgrm: I think in that photo one side of the border must allow clear cutting. Or the other government hasn’t got to that area yet. Who knows?
As you know, pictures can be deceptive. Evidence the popular global warming stranded polar bears photo a few weeks ago turned out to be years old and the bears just having fun in no danger.
http://www.lcrga.com/archive/200010251159.shtml
Bob if you can follow this link you will see the picture of Gore with his boy Phelps. Some people will take money from anyone.
ksgrm,
You mean Haiti? They allowed all but about 2% of their forests to be cut down, mostly to make charcoal.Soil erosion, flooding, and mudslides resulted. Reforestation efforts have had little success.2nd paragraph,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#Geography
Their neighbor, the Dominican Republic, did not allow the deforestation, and doesn’t have Haiti’s severe problems.
“The way we treat forests is a political issue.” Page 222 of Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’.
Bob – for your viewing pleasure:
http://ussneverdock.blogspot.com/2005/07/america-deranged-funeral-update.html
Scroll down – there’s more than one.
Outlander I really am trying to take in all of the arguments to make a responsible choice. It was just amazing that greening could only happen on one side of border. Clear cutting makes sense.
Did you by any chance see a special last week on the number of sea otters that were killed this year because an ice shelf had developed out much further than it had in the past. They were bloody and some died from attempting to cross the ice to make it to land. They were killed in large number because the ice stopped their natural path to land.
I just can’t equate this with global warming.
Oh for crying out loud.
GS doesnt like that other states associate phelps with kansas and try to hold kansas accountable for him and his.
But she has no problem associating democrats with phelps and trying to hold democrats accountable for him and his.
Woof.
What do you want dems to do? Denounce him? I think they have. Defend him? I think they never did. He has never been elected to office as a Democrat. Nor has he been endorsed by democrats.
He can call himself anything he wants. He has a right to register however he wants. He has free speech, no matter how heinous it is.
What do you want dems to do? Do you want dems to “evict” him from ks? Kill him? Lock him up? Seize his property? On what grounds?
Thanks for clearing up the republican position on personal liberty, free speech and private property ownership. I think we already had an idea, but you just confirmed it.
Oh, and exactly when will the republicans be purging kkk leader David Duke?
outlander,
Do you believe that polar bears are not now threatened by the recent loss of Arctic ice?Do you believe the threat will not increase in the future?
‘Arctic sea ice on the wane: Now what?”http://nasadaacs.eos.nasa.gov/articles/2006/2006_seaice.html“NSIDC scientist Mark Serreze said, “The reduction in summer sea ice is a bad omen for animals like the polar bear, which need sea ice for their survival.” ”
‘Polar bears drown as ice shelf melts’http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article767459.ece
‘Drowning polar bears worry researchers’http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2246
‘Scientists Sound Warning on Global Warming’http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Science/story?id=1407585“A survey by the U.S. Mineral Management Service has recorded elevated numbers of polar bears drowning. Some have been found swimming far out in the warming Arctic sea as the sea ice pulls back farther from land and the bears try to swim to shore.”
‘Polar Bears Face Serious ThreatBut scientists say there is time to save them, and the polar ice caps’http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2007&m=January&x=20070104134253mlenuhret0.3304254
Yes, I want the Democratic Party to PUBLICLY and LOUDLY denounce Phelps, et al.
Those photos of Al and Tipper were in the 80’s, but Al Gore invited Phelps to the White House as recently as the 90’s when he was VP.
That bothers me.
The Dems can’t deny that Phelps is not in the ‘loop,’ when he was being courted that recently – and by the very person now pushing Global Warming down our throats.
There’s something just not right about that.
[quote]“At this time the sources are themselves questionable, so the Vice President can end this mystery by denying any relationship with Phelps now. Most troubling is the charge that Al Gore invited Fred Phelps to his inaugurations as Vice President in 1993 and 1997. That was less than three years ago. We need some answers.”[end quote]
See ksgrm’s link above for source.
And talking about private property – isn’t that what the Dems, especially Obama Winfrey, are denouncing? In favor of community property?
Rob the rich and all that jazz?
“What do you want dems to do? Do you want dems to “evict” him from ks? Kill him? Lock him up? Seize his property?”
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I just want them to quit inviting him to the White House and taking his money, hugging him for photo ops.
That shouldn’t be too much to ask.
“And talking about private property – isn’t that what the Dems, especially Obama Winfrey, are denouncing? In favor of community property?
Rob the rich and all that jazz?”
Got any proof? Project much? Please post Obama’s words that endorse community property over private property. Good grief. Jump that shark.
Hell, I get invited to democratic events too. It’s called a mailing list. Google Sebelius + Phelps and see what kind of denouncements you get. Hell, just look at her comments in signing the funeral bill. What more do you want?
And still no answer or a link to the republican party denouncing kkk leader david duke?
Concerning Phelps..
Opposition to Al Gore and Bill Clinton
During the 1992 presidential campaign, Phelps protested Hillary Clinton during a campaign speech in support of the Clinton-Gore ticket at the University of Kansas on October 14, 1992. In Bill Clinton’s second presidential campaign, Phelps and the Westboro church also opposed Clinton and Gore because of the administration’s support for gay rights. The entire Westboro congregation picketed a 1997 inaugural ball[37], denouncing Gore as a “famous fag pimp.”[38] In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore’s father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, “your dad’s in Hell.”[38]
In the aftermath of the election, in an incident that would be repeated years later when Phelps circulated a petition to outlaw homosexual work protection, many of the Kansas Democrats who had cast votes for Phelps came forward to express their distaste for him. They said that Phelps had lied about his intentions to numerous constituents, using double-talk and fuzzy language to confuse them; neglected to mention his stances on race, religion, and homosexuality, and campaigned mainly on the platform of a “good ol’ boy” Southern gentleman and retired lawyer unfairly prosecuted by the system
Phelps on Hussein..
Saddam Hussein
In 2003, before the fall of Saddam Hussein during the Iraq War, Phelps wrote Hussein a letter praising his regime for being, in his opinion, “the only Muslim state that allows the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to be freely and openly preached on the streets.”[40] Furthermore, he stated that he would like to send a delegation to Baghdad to “preach the Gospel” for one week. Hussein granted permission, and a group of WBC congregants traveled to Iraq to protest against the U.S. The WBC members stood on the streets of Baghdad holding signs condemning Bill and Hillary Clinton and anal sex.[41] After Saddam was hanged, Phelps released a video commentary that stated that both Saddam Hussein and Gerald Ford (who had died the same week) were now in Hell.
I cannot imagine a Dem or Repub that would claim this son-of-a-bitch.
Let’s see. So far our friendly conservative republicans have brought us celebrities, toilet paper, Obama Winfrey and fred phelps.
You repukes must be having a secret “Jump the Shark” contest today.
Do you get points for posts or is it a random drawing?
Yeah Bob, I bet rumsfeld would prefer to KEEP his picture of himself shaking hands with saddam if his only option were to trade it in for a picture with phelps.
And phelps protesting Gore and Clinton? Gore’s father’s funeral? heheheheheh! Well, I guess THAT explains all those “invitations”…
Bob –
Can you handle the distrubution of the cookies tonight? (You may need to have some crayons and coloring books handy too0 — hopefully everyone will bring their own nappy blankies in case it’s a long night —-
Does anyone have a handle on how many people actually blog here? I can count maybe 10 – 12 tops – presuming no one is using 2-3-4 screen names.
Bob
Phelps in Baghdad w/ Hussein — why hasn’t he been picked up as a potential terrorist and all those that were with him ? Now that group is one that should be in one of those secret prisons run by the CIA — out of sight — out of mind
Ken you did such a good job shutting the blog down last night I thought you might do it on a permanent basis.
Once more…with feeling:
Women earn less because they WILL work for less.
Last time I checked, women (and men) were free to quit any job – for any reason. Or for no reason at all.
Unemployement in Wichita is hovering at about 4% – which is pretty much full employment. It’s very difficult to find good people.
If you’re making less than you think you deserve, or more importantly – less than you’re worth – take a look around at other employers.
ksgrm
The cookies are getting expensive, and some one used their crayons on the Bathrrom wall — aaarrrggghhhh
…. and I’m a little confused are you and Bob the same person?– I think not — perhaps I’m having one of those sr. moments — gonna go nighty night early (tired played in the Boys & Girls tourney w/ Barry Sanders, Dick Butkus, Gale Sayers and others yes big time name dropping (huge Bears fan here) .. what a treat for a good cause got some great pics and played reasonably well — took my $on and a buddy of hi$ told him it was fun writing a bad check for a good cause — my last post will be on the open thread —-
….. speaking of golf tourneys — a bloggers tourney?
probably not a good idea to give all of us clubs and close proximity …..
What was I thinking this is the open thread —
Now I lay me down to sleep ……
this is better —EVERYONE HAS TO READ THIS OR NO COOKIES:
“O God, our Heavenly Father, we remember before Thee this day,those who laid down their lives in the service of their country.We remember their courage and devotion to the Sovereign and the country they served.We pray that their labours be not in vain but that their spirit may live on in us and the generations to come.We pray that liberty, truth and love may spread over all the world ’til war shall cease to be.We remember our brethren who are in sickness or distress.We remember the widows and other dependants.We dedicate ourselves to Thy service in the name of those whose memory we revere.We ask this in the name of our Lord.”"Amen”
Ken I am now and have always been Ksgrm which stands for a proud Kansas Grandma of eight terrific grandkids. But enough bragging. I didn’t play in any golf tourneys but your’s sounded like fun and was for a good cause.
I have no aliasis and never posted under any other name except for the one time I somehow posted under my real name.
Amen
I asked because you responded to the cookie thing I asked of Bob —
me too …. I have and always will be ken — except for those 5 years I did community and dinner theater work (acting, stage managing, road manager etc..) in St. Joe, Mo then I never knew from day to day who I might be LOL
nighty night (no mas)
ks-sam – you and I are not at all in disagreement. My wife is involved in the purple tent program and AECH locally. The cleanups I am involved in are ONLY targeting trash; NOT VALUABLES. And I realize that “one mans trash is another man’s treasure”
THAT is why I invite you to join us. If I see an old sweatshirt on a sand bar in the river is that somebody’s warmth or is it something that was just left there? You might know the difference better than I might.
I realize that some, particularly the police, might want to remove rucksacks etc to get rid of the people. WE DON’T. Keep in mind, most of us are “commie-lib environmentalist wackoes”.
I invite you to email me – the address is live. I think we can work together rather than against each otheer. Especially if we coordinate our times. River cleanup is May 5 10AM-noon. We meet at Lawrence-Dumont.
I am familiar with the ‘removals’ to which you refer. Last year right after the churches gave out backpacks etc they did such a sweep. I agree with you, that is deplorable.
PLEASE – do not confuse us who are seeking to clean up trash and only trash with those involved with ‘people removals’
Golf, you become a lurker?
You can’t just switch jobs, it’s not that easy. The problem is systematic, and there is no way to hold companies accountable for their discrimination, even if it is against the law.
I would like to see companies be more open about their wage disparagies. But that’ll never happen.
Since someone posted the other day that fewer soldiers were dying, I cut this out of an article I just read on yahoo.”The deaths raised to 85 the number of U.S. service members who died have in Iraq in April, making it the deadliest month for American troops since December, when 112 died.
It was the single deadliest attack since Dec. 1, 2005, when a roadside bomb killed 10 Marines and wounded 11 on a foot patrol near Fallujah.”
It IS that easy. I just made a big change myself.
Less risk now, and much more tolerable hours. And more money.
It truly is that easy.
And, no lurking here. I’m just more selective about my comments. I don’t get involved in the pissing contests.
Ben,Guess we wackos better stick together..lol. I agree, when I was walking about on Friday I did notice alot of garbage in and around the river area. The “trash” does need to go. Some of the guys used to police the areas where they stayed, but since the “regulars” have been sent away, the litter is accumulating.I will bring this up with some other folks, I am having eye surgery on May 4, so I will not be able to participate personally.
Sorry about my rant, I just don’t understand how the media and the WE Blog posters can be so heated about almost every little issue, but yet totally ignore our brother man in need. River Festival is a terrible time for these people. It would be good and right if the city would tell them where they CAN go for awhile to be safe and out of the way, rather than “just get out, you aren’t welcome at our party”.
Thanks Sam; like I said, we can and should be allies. If you have some ‘fellows’ who might be able to join us that might help.
One negative ’stereotype’ you have to deal with is the claim that much of the trash comes from the homeless. I know that is not true; from what I have seen the biggest single source is car windows along McLean. However that image is out there.
Another area you and I might work on – make sure the City regularly emties existing trash containers along te river. That way if people use them we can keep the area clean. Then I would add separate containers for aluminum. If ’someone else’ empties those for the cash that is a good thing for us all.
Sam, you and I are in agreement about the need for better ‘drop-in’ facilities etc. For the time being all I can recommend is simply ti find locations removed from the festiviies. Not an answer obviously but at least a band-aid.
Ben,Friday evening all the trash containers under the bridges were full of bags of dead leaves. What’s with that do you think?You are right though, the homeless get blamed for alot of the trash downtown. Do you want trash in YOUR house? Neither do most of these people. Some transients may litter an area, but the regulars pretty much try to keep their “house” clean. If it’s rolled up or folded and under a bush, it’s probably NOT trash.
Sam – I think the issue of the containers being full is one we will have to push from ‘our side’. I will raise that with both the Ark River coalition and Sierra Club. That might help you with ‘your’ issue. For the time being if a way can be found to get trash into sacks (Dillons grocery bags for example) and placed alongside the trash containers that will help us May 5. I will do what I can to alert the volunteers to leave ‘rolled and folded’ things alone. My suggestion of ‘way up high’ under bridges still seems like a good one to me since that is even more obvious.
The area being targeted is generally from the ‘red bridge’ near Riverside Hospital down to Herman Hill Park.