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Associated Press
“A police officer displays packages of seized cocaine on a freeway south of Medellin, Colombia, Thursday, April 19, 2007. A ton of packed cocaine fell on the road after the truck where it was being transported crashed. (AP Photo/Luis Benavides)
BOGOTA, COLOMBIA — A truck loaded with cocaine flipped after taking a curve too fast, spilling nearly a ton of the drug across a Colombian highway.
Police said the drugs were hidden in the truck’s walls and roof, which ripped open Thursday when the vehicle overturned in Medellin, 155 miles north of the capital, Bogota.
The driver escaped injury but was quickly arrested.
Police said the cocaine was destined for the northern port of Uraba, a major exit point for Colombia’s massive drug smuggling industry.”
In the U.S. we just spill stuff like syrup or lumber. But then again, cocaine is not our number one national agricultural export.
Washingtonpost
Editorial
Guns for the Asking
“Virginia is among the nation’s most gun-friendly states, and it would be nice to think that the massacre in Blacksburg might jar legislators from their complacent romance with firearms. Just this year, a bill in the legislature to prohibit people from carrying guns into day-care facilities died quietly in a Senate committee.
Legislation to ban the purchase of guns from unlicensed dealers at gun shows — with no background checks of any kind — is defeated perennially.
The problem is not just Virginia. A majority of states have a similar gun-show loophole.
Overall, an estimated 40 percent of guns that change hands in this country are bought and sold privately — face to face, through classified ads and at gun shows. A determined purchaser need not buy from a gun store.
It is lunacy to assume that the right to bear arms implies a right to do so unconditionally, with no meaningful waiting period or thorough examination of a purchaser’s potential for violence.”
Mrage let me be the one to point out that this case. the one that has gotten you to go on this mission. Did not… I repeat did not have anything to do with gun shows, private sales or even if such a law was in effect would it have stopped the killing at VT!
You harping on the subject is no more to the point then if you were trying to make the point that only registered drivers should drive drunk. If anything we should outlaw insanity.
Mrage – your fear-mongering over issues that aren’t even related here is becoming tedius.
If you REALLY want to help prevent another VT, try working towards the passage of bills that allow qualified, selective individuals to observe CC on College campuses.
Mrage, It seems to me that VT is a perfect example of why people should be allowed to carry. Look how long it took for the local and campus police to respond. The police can’t be everywhere all of the time.If we take away the guns, only criminals will have guns.
I have a right to protect me and mine.
For Condor, ddub, and anyone else who just couldn’t comprehend that sick folks DO romanticize killers like Cho – you might want to know that 36 CA schools, among others in the nation were locked down due to copycats that were ‘getting off’ on mimicking the murderer.
Just the fact that Cho, himself, saw the Columbine killers as someone to look up to – proves my point.
You guys need to pull your heads out of the sand – and take a good look around. The attention Cho has gotten for this – has already been felt by the unstable copycats across the nation.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18203613/
XXX – I agree with your assessment.
As human beings we should have the right to protect our lives, should sickos like Cho lock us up and start shooting.
Some have said having more guns would have created more confusion – but I really can’t see how.
Too bad an ex-military student, or a Professor wasn’t armed that day.
There was an instructor that survived a Nazi Camp who barred the door to his class with his own body to allow the kids to escape – I can’t know for sure that he would have shot the killer had he been armed – but I like to think he was brave enough to. At any rate – that man died a hero.
I would like to see his name honored.
On a personal note, I and my “significant other” are headed to the Ozarks for a long weekend. When we get back, “significant other” will be Mrs. XXX. We’re getting married Saturday.
Wish us luck; prayers are always appreciated.
“When we get back, “significant other” will be Mrs. XXX. We’re getting married Saturday.”
My condolences to the family:-)
XXX – Congrats on your upcoming marriage.
May the two of you be as ‘in love’ the rest of your lives – as you are at this moment.
Best wishes to you both.
In case you missed it in yeterdays paper:
Arms fire, bomb kill two Fort Riley-based soldiers in Iraq
BY HURST LAVIANAThe Wichita Eagle
Two Fort Riley soldiers have died this week while fighting in Iraq, the U.S. Army reported Wednesday.Both soldiers were killed during their first deployment to the Middle East.Pfc. Steven J. Walberg, 18, died Sunday when he was hit by enemy small arms fire in Baghdad, the Army said.Walberg, who was from Paradise, Calif., was an infantryman who joined the Army in June 2006 and began serving with the 1st Infantry Division in November.In a separate attack, Pfc. Aaron M. Genevie, 22, died Monday when his vehicle struck a bomb in Baghdad.Genevie was a scout from Chambersburg, Pa., who joined the Army in July 2005 and joined the 1st Infantry Division in November 2005.As of Wednesday, 93 soldiers from Fort Riley have died while serving in Iraq.In that same time, at least 3,311 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. At least 2,691 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military’s numbers.
ken,
You are a fool. If you are going to use the body count of our brave men and women to make a political point and keep score, what is the body count on the other side?
You constantly remind us of the count, what is your point?
Hank
Dealers at “gun shows” follow exactly the same laws, Federal and State as they do at their fixed place of business. Background checks are done. Private individuals at a gun show can and do sell privately owned guns and they are prohibited from running background checks, they cannot dial in to the FBI and run a check.But anybody wanting a gun to use in a crime only has to go to a drug dealer who has a stolen and untraceable gun for sale. They get them from drug users who steal them from UPS trucks and in home burlaries.Also, The Family and Personal Protection Act, otherwise known as the concealed carry law in Kansas, requires a release from the applicant for their medical records, I believe Phil Journey wrote that into the law.The provision is strengthened in H.B. 2528 that the governor vetoed, but the Legislature should over-ride her veto on or about April 25.
Mrage
The money quote applies to folks like you-
“”Gun-free zones” are premised on a fantasy: That murderers will follow rules, and that people like my student, or Bradford Wiles, are a greater danger to those around them than crazed killers like Cho Seung-hui. That’s an insult. Sometimes, it’s a deadly one.”
Your fear of folks like myself,XXX, or GMC acting stupidly or irresponsibly outweighs your fear of criminals and psychopaths that would do terrible things like this. Your distrust of the most law abiding and stable among us baffles me.
People don’t stop killers. People with guns dohttp://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/18/2007-04-18_people_dont_stop_killers_people_with_gun.html
Hey XXX!
Best wishes!
Hank and Joyce
XXX
Congrats!
Congrats, X!
In retail, customers return merchandise for several different reasons. Wrong parts, does not fit, found out they did not need it after all or something materially wrong with it. But once in a while you really see some wild and hilarious reasons given for returning something.
This morning I was passing by Claims and noticed a small wicker dog bed, it seem to have been brand new and nothing wrong. So I read the slip that was attached and busted out laughing, on the slip it read:
Description: Dog bed.Price: 9.98Reason for return or refund: Has the smell of a dog.
XXX best wishes and long life to both of you.
Congrats xxx
Hank I didn’t politicize anything — the story was buried at the bottom of page 2 in yesterdays paper — and stories of the Iraq war in the paper the day before were buried on page 4 and 5. Yet on the same days on the front page we had stories about an out of town bowling team, and the WSU new basketball coach ….. would you say that the Beagle is politicizing the soldiers deaths by publishing the story, it has a much bigger audience then just the folks who frequent the blog here …. I didn’t remind you of the count the Beagle did — and the AP writer ………….
If you want to know the casualties on the other side — do the research and post it —- people (including me) will find it interesting ….. however my concern is for the troops — insuring their and their families sacrifices get as much front page air time as a bowling team, a basketball coach, IMUS, a bad singer on American idol, a murderer on a college campus ….
As a vet Hank I would think you could understand that ….
It seems the VT student should have been ineligible to buy a gun, even in Virginia. Due to his having psychiatric problems.
MRage does not appear to be wanting to eliminate anyone’s right to bear arms — just searching for a way to prevent guns from getting into the hands of people who do not have the mental capapcity to handle the responsibility of gun ownership (With the right to bear arms comes responsibility of bearing those arms.)
It is not about just this one demented individual who purchased a gun legally — it is bigger than just this one jerk.
People like to play the what if game here:
You have a CC permit and are responsible and entitled to protect your property and family.
You sell your gun to a neighbor, who unknown to you is a beer swilling, drug using psychopath, beats his wife and kids behind closed doors — one Sunday afternoon you and the Mrs.go shopping, leaving the kids with a babysitter or alone if they are responsible enough — the neighbor is spending the afternoon watching NASCAR and Jeff Gordon knocks his favorite driver Dale Jr. out of the race — in his stupor he goes out into the backyard to unleash his anger by doing some target practice — and a stray bullet hits your child playing in the backyard — no doubt it is the shooters fault —- but you sold him the gun —- and it is revealed that if a background check had been performed (as licensed dealers do) — he would have been denied ownership — how would you explain that to your child lying in a hospital bed ….. a little late to tell them bad people do bad things …
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure …………
Again — Mrage (and I) don’t want to take away your right to bear arms and protect your stuff — family — just do as much as reasonably possible to not let people like your sick neighbor from having em …. it’s not about you (a law abiding decent citizen) —- it’s about your sick neighbor ….
I don’t see the logic in ANY one who wants a gun should have one …
Hank
Last year, when I opted out of participating in the blog because of some of the insanity and vile being spewed here around the election — you were kind enough to email me and asked me to reconsider, that although you didn’t agree with me often, you indicated it would be a loss to the blog (or words to that effect) — also mentioning your military service — it was a nice gesture, truly the sign of a gentleman and what I thought typical of someone who has served his country and been brought up with the “Right Stuff” and someone smart enough and willing enough to recognize that there are differences of opinions and have some respect for that persons right to express them — totally surprised you would resort to name calling —-
Iraq knows the value of Bush’s “Alternative interrogation techniques”, and take it to the next level.
“Death sentences are frequently handed down after very brief trials in which defendants are poorly represented, seldom allowed to give evidence and are often tortured into making confessions that are then used against them.”
Ken–
Good post. Those who believe in American Empire don’t like being reminded of the costs.
And how’s that “SURGE” working out for us? Mass violence is UP.American deaths are UP.
Another brilliant strategy brought to you by Worst. President. Ever.
If it wasn’t a gun, sickos can use any weapon to create a travesty.
Knives, Fertilizer or pipe bombs, baseball bat, box cutters, gasoline and a lighter, scissors or any other weapon besides a gun that can still kill innocent people.
ken
If you want to cover your tale on a private sale you can go to a FFL gun dealer and have the buyer undergo a backround check. The dealer will do transfer paperwork and everyone is covered. The dealer will charge you 30-40 bucks to do this but the option is available to private sellers.
Thanks Cap’n — but probably not a good idea to bait some people here — I can see where the backlash is brewing …. for me it’s not about the “Surge” — costs, the correctness of the war etc …. it’s about the soldiers and their families, and like I said insuring that their efforts are recognized and honored, and if it prompts someone in our government / politicians to come up with the solution (no — not nuke em til they glow) that brings them home safely and quickly and honorably so be it — we should not wait 10 years down the road to build another Viet Nam wall for these service people –
For those of you listening – No I don’t want another wall built now — but programs like scholarships, research groups etc… recognizing soldiers sound like a pretty productive idea.
ken
Should that be made law? No, not in my opinion, because then my Father, who knows me quite well, will have to make me do a backround check before he transfers his old Eddystone .30-06 to me when he know longer feels a need for it. If he did it without the paperwork he would then be a felon for handing down a family keepsake without jumping through the governments hoops.
Thanks Heckler — I don’t own a gun and have only been to one gun show ever — sounds like a good idea —
A responsible, thoughtful private seller should do that — even better make it a requirement with the buyer paying the fee for the background check …. an ounce of prevention
Heckler thats a good point — I can see the same thing you say applying if you had inherited the gun and not bought it (when my Dad died I got an old starter pistol and a rusty old 38 he had from the 30s or 40’s — sold it to a pawnshop — probably not the smartest way to dispose of them — but I really didn’t know any better at the time.) Perhaps some exception — antique / deactivated guns or family transactions can be part of the requirement?
Your point does bring up another variation — if your son goes out to buy a weapon from a private dealer, can you go with and vouch for him?
Depends on the son’s age.
I know 18 year olds can still buy rifles and shotguns.
Congrats XXX. Just remember, it takes more than love to make a marriage work. The right stuff is communication, committment, mutual respect, and a whole lot of forgiveness and just letting things go. Never marry anyone for how you hope they will be. Marry then for who they are and accept who they are.
That’s my friendly marital advice.
Congratulations on getting married!!
just remember the three most important sentences for a male to remember for wedded bliss.”Yes dear” “It’s my fault” “I’m sorry”
Did anyone catch Daily Show or Colbert Report last night where they had a guy on who wrote a book on the private people over there fighting? They say these people aren’t even figured in the troop number nor death toll, that there are far more over there making more money in a month than our soldiers make in a year.
It’s no wonder we’re still in this war, the corporations are lining their pockets while our soldiers die.
It was pointed out to me that when you purchase a hand gun you have to answer the question “Do you suffer from mental illness?” Seems funny to expect people to be honest regarding this question. If they are applying for a gun license and they know if they are honest that they will be denied what is the purpose of asking? With HIPPA laws as they are you could not search someone’s medical history to ensure they are mentally stable to own a gun. So please everyone, honor those that died. Stop trying to figure out what new law or restriction could be put in place to maybe and I say maybe prevent this from happening. Like I said earlier in the week…if teachers were armed then he would have picked the dorm to kill. If the students are all armed then he would have built a bomb. If he was not bright enough to build a bomb then he would have ran people over with his car. WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A WAY!
PM
Yes I did see it — one of the lines i remember is “It’s the difference between a war of the willing and the war of the billing.”
According to the author some of the mercenaries are making 30k a month –
The Colbert / Sean Penn exchange was fun to watch.
They are called Soldiers of Fortune. Usually ex-military guys working for a private contractor for personal security.
It’s not like they are a private army, although they are well equip, driving military humvees and even having blackhawk helicopters.
You want to see something chilling. Watch a great documentary on this subject called “Why We Fight”. It will put ice through your blood.
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/
Mike, there was speculation earlier that Cho might well have intended to wreak his havoc on the residence hall where the first two murders occurred, but after he did it, he left for some reason. I don’t know the validity of this speculation.
Two nights ago on CNN there was a computer animation of the interior of Norris Hall; it looked like a perfect set up for someone intent on doing what he did. By being in the hall, as I understand he was during most of the shooting, he had total control of the scene; any attempt to rush him would have been a frontal assault; escape through the hallway was blocked by his presence there, thus the need to go out the windows; he began his rampage at the rooms closest to the part of the hallway emptying out into the larger, open area, working his way “down” the hall to the end which stopped at a wall.
I believe Vaughn that he went to the post office after the first murders to mail the package to NBC. I think the magnitude of the tragedy has caused the country to think out loud on how to try to limit acts like this. But to me it seems simple. We all take risk everyday when we leave our homes. If someone wishes to wreak havoc on our society they have many choices on how to do so. Knee jerk reactions to these actions will make us all less free. I appreciate the conversation, but to implement laws to keep honest people honest never work. We live in a free society and will never be totally safe and snug everywhere we go. VT is a trgedy yes, but lets not make it more than that.
“So please everyone, honor those that died. Stop trying to figure out what new law or restriction could be put in place to maybe and I say maybe prevent this from happening.”
How would not trying to resolve the issue “Honor” the dead — laws are written frequently in the name of victims — Alexa’s law comes to mind — the law dealing with closing a loop hole for killing a police officer is named after the officer that was shot ….
On ounce of prevention ………
A thoughtless insensitive mistake was made by the media by showing the killers video tape etc ….. so soon after the murders —- showing it a week or so later, after some of the initial frenzy dies down could serve to show people how they act and behave, and warning signs to look out for
.. an ounce of prevention ….
Ken,
As Vets, Hank and I do understand it and why we don’t post Obits in a blog like some fools do.
And yes, you are a fool for doing so.
So please enlighten me Ken to the new laws or restrictions that could be put in place to prevent this from happening?
Please remember it is a Constitutional right to bear arms.
Joe
Saw the movie in the theater — just watched the trailer —
A respected GOP leader (Ike) warned us about the military industrial complex — seems money and greed, trump everything else …
Thanks
I did not post an obit — I posted a story from the beagle —
Obvioulsy what ever disability it is that you have — has effected your ability to think rationally — go back to the VA get your meds adjusted
Thanks for your service — and protecting everyone’s right to free speech ——–
Mike
“Again — Mrage (and I) don’t want to take away your right to bear arms and protect your stuff — family — just do as much as reasonably possible to not let people like your sick neighbor from having em …. it’s not about you (a law abiding decent citizen) —- it’s about your sick neighbor …. ”
Like I said it would not have prevented this incident he was within the law purchasing a gun — but there is nothing in existence (and it wouldn’t be all that difficult) that precludes a private individual from mistakenly selling a gun to some one who shouldn’t have one — it does not infringe on your right to bear arms — it provides another opportunity to prevent a nut cases to get a gun …..
Why should it be different for licensed sellers (who are also private individuals) — and private owners —
You do have the right to bear arms — you do have the responsibility to the rest of society to not sell them to people who are not responsible enough to have them ….. to ignore that responsibility can make you as culpable
“…this war is lost..”
By the Dem’s leader Harry Reid.
That treasonous bastard should be tried.
Now, who here will defend this statement?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070420/D8OK1PE03.html
This from SOB’s link:*****”Our troops won the war clearly, cleanly and quickly,” said Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., chairman of the Appropriations Committee. “But now they are stuck in a civil war,” and the only solution is a political and diplomatic compromise. “And there is no soldier who can get that done,” he added.*****Is anybody disputing these points?
I agree with SOB – he should be tried. That would open up the prosecution case for “DISCOVERY” by Reid’s attorneys. That would be fun to watch.
Something I have been wondering: Bush is promising to veto any bill sent to him that has a timeline for troop withdrawal. My understanding is that these timelines are non-binding resolutions which have no real force. So, is Bush responding to an empty gesture, with another empty gesture (a veto that isn’t needed since the resolution has no real meaning)?
Steven – Bush wants something he can point to and say “the Democrats support my war”
…well, it appears that there are people here that don’t disagree with Reid.
Not surprising really.
It is really simple. We won the war. We are losing the occupation.
It’s much much easier to be anti-war and do nothing than it is to support a just cause to help people in a fledgling democracy.
Much much easier to pull out and be do nothings…convenient…let ‘em die…we’re safe here…
Here’s a good article regarding the war in Iraq:
Just the facts………………………………SOME OF YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THAT NEARLY EVERYFAMILY IN AMERICA WAS GROSSLY AFFECTED BY WW II MOST OF YOU DON’TREMEMBER THE RATIONING OF MEAT, SHOES, GASOLINE, AND SUGAR. NO TIRESFOR OUR AUTOMOBILES, AND A SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES AN HOUR ON THEROAD, NOT TO MENTION, NO NEW AUTOMOBILES. READ THIS AND THINK ABOUTHOW WE WOULD REACT TO BEING TAKEN OVER BY FOREIGNERS IN 2007.
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This is an EXCELLENT essay . Well thought out and presented.Historical SignificanceSixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all ofEurope and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeatThe Nazis had sunk more than 400 British ships in their convoysbetween England and America taking food and war materials .At that time the US was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, andmost Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war.Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 , and in outrageCongress unanimously declared war on Japan , and the following day onGermany , who had not yet attacked us . It was a dicey thing . We hadfew allies .France was not an ally, as the Vichy government of France quicklyaligned itself with its German occupiers . Germany was certainly notan ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich inEurope. Japan was not an ally, as it was well on its way to owningand controlling all of Asia .Together, Japan and Germany had long-range plans of invadingCanada and Mexico , as launching pads to get into the United Statesover our northern and southern borders, after they finished gainingcontrol of Asia and Europe .America ’s only allies then were England , Ireland , Scotland ,Canada , Australia , and Russia That was about it All of Europe ,from Norway to Italy (except Russia in the East) was already under theNazi heel .The US was certainly not prepared for war. The US had drasticallydowngraded most of its military forces after WW I because of thedepression, so that at the outbreak of WW II, Army units were trainingwith broomsticks because they didn’t have guns, and cars with “tank”painted on the doors because they didn’t have real tanks A huge chunkof our Navy had just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor .Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of$600 million in gold bullion in the Bank of England (that was actuallythe property of Belgium ) given by Belgium to England to carry on thewar when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact).Actually, Belgium surrendered on one day, because it was unable tooppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels intorubble the next day just to prove they couldBritain had already been holding out for two years in the face ofstaggering losses and the near decimation of its Royal Air Force inthe Battle of Britain , and was saved from being overrun by Germanyonly because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were arelatively minor threat that could be dealt with later. Hitler, firstturned his attention to Russia , in the late summer of 1940 at a timewhen England was on the verge of collapse.Ironically, Russia saved America ’s butt by putting up a desperatefight for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammeringaway at GermanyRussia lost something like 24,000,000 people in the sieges ofStalingrad and Moscow alone . . 90% of them from cold andstarvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiersHad Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus hisentire war effort against the Brits, then America . If that hadhappened, the Nazis could possibly have won the warAll of this has been brought out to illustrate that turning pointsin history are often dicey things. Now, we find ourselves at anotherone of those key moments in history.There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, orwants, and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear,biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the worldThe Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis inKaffiyahs — they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form ofWahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, thenEurope, then the world. To them, all who do not bow to their will ofthinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated . They want tofinish the Holocaust, destroy Israel , and purge the world of JewsThis is their mantra . (goal)There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East — for themost part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having itsInquisition and its Reformation, but it is not yet known which sidewill win — the Inquisitors, or the Reformationists.If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, willcontrol the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US , European, andAsian economies.The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC –not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, butan OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. Do you want gas in your car? Doyou want heating oil next winter? Do you want the dollar to be worthanything? You had better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition,loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslimswho believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, livein peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th centuryinto the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventuallyfade away. A moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have tofight the Inquisition, i . e . , the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, AlQaeda and the Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do itsomewhere. We can’t do it everywhere at once. We have created afocal point for the battle at a time and place of our choosing . . .. . . in Iraq . Not in New York , not in London , or Paris orBerlin , but in Iraq , where we are doing two important things.(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein wasdirectly involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack or not, it isundisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terroristmovement for decades Saddam is a terrorist! Saddam is, or was, aweapon of mass destruction, responsible for the deaths of probablymore than a 1,000,000 Iraqis and 2,000,000 Iranians(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, withIslamic terrorism in Iraq . We have focused the battle. We arekilling bad people, and the ones we get there we won’t have to gethere. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peacefulIraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest ofthe Middle East , and an outpost for a stabilizing American militarypresence in the Middle East for as long as it is neededWW II, the war with the Japanese and German Nazis, really beganwith a “whimper” in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor . Itbegan with the Japanese invasion of China . It was a war for fourteenyears before the US joined it. It officially ended in 1945 — a 17year war — and was followed by another decade of US occupation inGermany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running ontheir own a gain . . . a 27 year war.WW II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately afull year’s GDP — adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trilliondollars. WW II cost America more than 400,000 soldiers killed inaction, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action.The Iraq war has, so far, cost the United States about$160,000,000,000, which is roughly what the 9/11 terrorist attack costNew York. It has also cost about 3,000 American lives, which isroughly equivilant to lives that the Jihad killed (within the UnitedStates) in the 9/11 terrorist attack .The cost of not fighting and winning WW II would have beenunimaginably greater — a world dominated by Japanese Imperialism andGerman Nazism .This is not a 60-Minutes TV show, or a 2-hour movie in whicheverything comes out okay . The real world is not like that. It ismessy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. It always has been,and probably always will be .The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamicterrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go awayif we ignore it .If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq ,then we have an ally, like England , in the Middle East , a platform,from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East .The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relativecivility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gatesto conquer the world.The Iraq War is merely another battle in this ancient and neverending war. Now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about toget nuclear weapons. Unless some body prevents them from gettingthem.We have four options:1 We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.2 We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons(which may be as early as next year, if Iran ’s progress on nuclearweapons is what Iran claims it is).3 We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in theMiddle East now; in Europe in the next few years or decades, andultimately in America .OR4 We can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when theJihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad hasdominated France and Germany and possibly most of the rest of Europe .It will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and muchbloodier.If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that yourchildren, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under theMullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.The history of the world is the history of civilization clashes,cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what societyand civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win . Thepacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill themRemember, perspective is every thing, and America ’s schools teachtoo little history for perspective to be clear, especially in theyoung American mind.The Cold War lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wallcame down in 1989; forty-two years!Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon,and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany !World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten yearoccupation, and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan . WorldWar II resulted in the death of more than 50,000,000 people, maybemore than 100,000,000 people, depending on which estimates you accept.The US has taken more than 3,000 killed in action in Iraq . The UStook more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944 ,the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of NaziImperialism.In WW II the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week — for four years. Mostof the individual battles of WW II lost more Americans than the entireIraq war has done so far .The stakes are at least as high . . A world dominated byrepresentative governments with civil rights, human rights, andpersonal freedoms . . or a world dominated by a radical IslamicWahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia(Islamic law) .It’s difficult to understand why the average American does notgrasp this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty andfreedom, but evidently not for Iraqis.”Peace Activists” always seem to demonstrate here in America ,where it’s safe.Why don’t we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran , Syria ,Iraq , Sudan , North Korea , in the places that really need peaceactivism the most? I’ll tell you why! They would be killed!The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civilrights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc . , but if theJihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights,human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc.Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on theside of their own worst enemy!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Raymond S . Kraft is a writer living in Northern California thathas studied the Middle Eastern culture and religion~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please consider passing along copies of this article to studentsin high school, college and university as it contains informationabout the American past that is very meaningful today — history aboutAmerica that very likely is completely unknown by them (and theirinstructors, too). By being denied the facts of our history, they areat a decided disadvantage when it comes to reasoning and thinkingthrough the issues of today. They are prime targets formisinformation campaigns beamed at enlisting them in causes andbeliefs that are special interest agenda driven
Support the fledgling shiite democracy, the US fledgling turkey endeavour.
XXX–All my best.May you be as happy as I am right now :)
I can’t believe it…the sickos from Topeka have announced they are going to WV to protest at the funerals/memorial services of the dead students.
Is there nothing too despicable for that sickening cult?
raptor, they would do ANYTHING to make the news
Sad, but true, Brian. I have a way they could make the news…if they would drink a gallon of Jim Jones coolaid during a comet appearance or something..!!
Senator Jim Webb is packing, the Phelps gang should be cautious. :)
They may not appreciate the Southern Hospitality, they are sure to receive.
That’s a situation where I wouldn’t mind a crazed gunman.
Ken,
I couldn’t have said it better!
I don’t want to take any person gun rights away. I’m not anti home protection or hunting weapons.
The gun lobby doesn’t control mass of guns that change hands with no records between people and they keep pushing them out in society.
Any nut has the right to a gun. Join a militia today is disagreeing completely with the Federal Government or the Fed Judiciary. They may be counterfeiters.
Street trading in guns is big business. People don’t want the gov to know their buying weapons.
We wonder why criminals are so heavily armed. Why innocent people are threated by gun toting criminals or shot at. The murders.
No the VT killer didn’t get his gun off the street, but it was irresponsible selling him guns that caused those deaths.
He bought his .22 off an internet site. Testing if he could even purchase a gun, knowing he had some psychological decisions against him. He knew a judge labeled him a threat to the community.
That information wasn’t specific enough, he was told to get out patient counseling.
Isn’t isn’t reasonable every “temporary” psychological nut’s information should bar him or her from buying weapons retail.
That would have been interesting. Where would the killer have gone next if he was denied by the first gun online. Denied at the gun store.
He could have killed with that knife or hammer, but not as many people.
The gun industry has much blame on that guy getting his weapons.
No one asked him some questions. Whats the non hunting gun for? You fear your life. Want to target practice?
Some questions with bad answers could have denied the purchase.
Its not just answering yes and no on a document.
No questions from the internet, no small talk that’s important at the gun store.
No one here can solve the problem. But its a rant that should be expected. There is much irresponsibility in the gun lifestyle.
I’m not talking about self protection. I do doubt CC people thinking they could be “protectors” of society.
No way should CC in street gear should be on any campus. Phil Journey knows that isn’t going happen.
There has to be more video on campus, in the buildings, hallways and classrooms, with some authority watching.
More uniformed, badged, police and security, better prepared from now on to keep security coverage more balanced, than what happened at VT.
Information systems improved so students can hear warnings.
The outrageous deaths has made me rant about irresponsible guns, I’m allowed.
Now to try and do something about it. Hmmm…
Don’t support John McCain who is adament about the 2nd Admendment Rights, without question.
I question so many guns in the wrong hands. The industry has many problems, they don’t want to control.
McCain doesn’t think less bullets in clips is reasonable policy. I think that has to happen.
Some guns not used for hunting, have too many bullets to shoot.
A person that’s good shot with their gun, could to put down an animal or person with less shots.
Criminals have high capacity clips to fire at innocent people.
Some legislation to reduce amount of bullets in handguns, would be good society policy.
That kind of announcement, would cause a huge run on hoarding guns before they change.
Implementation nationwide would be tough and take much time.
I have no fear my hunting and home protection weapons will be confiscated. Shotgun and rifle.
I have no fear the inability to ever buy guns for hunting.
We should limit bullets in guns not used for hunting. Some guns shouldn’t be sold retail at all, their weapons for wars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrFVjg79_iM Now thats how you handle the Phelps’s
I hope the Patriot guard shows up to shield the mourners from the Phelps gang. Unfortunatley, wishing their demise for expressing their right to free speech only reinforces their idea that the rest of the world is crazy. They are pigs. And that’s insulting the pigs. However, they are fee to spew garbage if they like. Perhaps everyone else could mount a counteroffensive. Every day, 24 hours a day, chant some vile thing outside their Topeka compound.
Well said LJ –
Other than the right to free speech — I often wonder why the Christian / Baptist community can’t do something about the Phelp’s — don’t they run some kind of re education camps?
While making noise at the Phelps compound is a good idea. Inudating their work phones is also worthy of consideration 785-296-6534 for Fred Jr and 785-296-3128 for Margie, since they are paid by our taxdollars they have the obligation listen to us.
Tom
hmmm we fund them? There must be a way to take away their NFP status — is their a patriotism clause we can throw at em and get em off the dole?
Tieing up thier phone lines — not a bad idea —- so we don’t step all over each other, we should have some sort of schedule
“chant some vile thing outside their Topeka compound.”
We could all chant something I was taught in Sunday School as a child. “Jesus loves you … “
Ben-
Even better
Boomers — you might enjoy this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqfFrCUrEbY
We fund them because several Phelps Family members work for the State, so our taxdollars fund the phelps’s
Ken,
Good video! (Excellent music.) Although those weren’t boomers, but more like the parents of boomers. You’re forgiven for that. *grin*
They sure were having a good time, and I think that’s SUPER!
RD
Soon very soon –
SOB–
For awhile I thought you might be Republican, but now I realize that you are far stupider than even Republican.
That was perhaps the stupidest post I’ve read on this blog in the last couple of months (not counting Fleettwood, of course).
Consider this complete idiocy: “Now, we find ourselves at anotherone of those key moments in history.”
Yeah, Al Qaeda attacked Russia and fought them all the way to the gates of Stalingrad. It has brought France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Poland to ITS KNEES!
It threatens to invade and destroy Britain any day now and London lives in constant fear of buzz bombs and heavy bombardment.
Good Lord, man, get a grip man.
Osama is Hitler like you are Einstein . . .
We invaded Iraq because of the WMD. Iraq did not have any. Why are we still there?
Fledgling democracy? I don’t remember that as being a rationale for war. When was that put forth before Congress when funding the war? It was all about WMD. If there are no WMD then we should apologize to the Iraqi and pull out.
Watch the video for the reasons we invaded for WMD.
http://republikan.typepad.com/republikansan/2007/04/democratic_part.html
That is your site, why would anyone give any credence to your video. Give us a little credit.
But back to the original point. I do not remember any vote to fund the war to establish a democracy in Iraq. When did that happen?
The video is from You Tube.
As far as your second question, you better take a closer look at who voted for what and exactly when they voted.
What difference does it make who voted for what? I am neither a Dem or a Rep, I am an American and I would like to know when there was a vote taken to establish a democracy in Iraq. When did that happen?
For that matter, since Saudi Arabia is a monarchy and home to fifteen of the nineteen attackers on 9/11, why didn’t we attack them to establish a democracy? The women have few rights in SA than did the Iraqi women, and the SA have secret Islamic police, and just as much oil, so why not attack them?
Also, Bob…someone too lazy to do their own research eh? :)
I’m not the Blog Librarian, if you want to find out…how about doing some research.
You might just actually learn something instead of listening to sound bites on the nightly news.
I know the facts republican and there was NEVER a vote taken to fund an effort to establish democracy in Iraq. The issue was a direct threat to the USA and WMD. We never agreed to an occupation. So pull your head out of Limbaugh’s ass and provide some back up for your statement.
State of the Union 2004
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040120-7.html
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s Voting Record# Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)# Voted YES on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)# Voted YES on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding. (Apr 2005)# Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)# Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
And just where was the rationale that stated that the purpose of the invasion was to establish democracy in Iraq? Sorry, I don’t see that.
When did George Bush, BEFORE the invasion say that the reason we were going to attack Iraq was to establish deomocracy in that country? That should be a simple question to answer.
It was in the State of the Union Address.
Many Democrats supported the Bill and Bills that provided funding for supporting operations in Iraq, which included helping Iraq establish a new government.
I think Bob you will probably switch tactics now, because I have proven what you asked.
So what will it be next Bob?
WE finally begin to see the effects of the slow wheels of justice to address the actions of Sedgwick County Kansas officials through the recent public censures by the State of Kansas towards the court of Judge Rebecca Pilshaw and Roberts her admin aide.
The people of Wichita Kansas can rest assured that the bright sunlight of justice will reveal things completed in darkness and secret by these persons.
Provide a link to the 2003 State of the Union and I might believe you. You posted a link to the 2004 speech AFTER it was determine that there were no WMD.
Again, I am an American, not a Dem or Rep, so it does not matter who voted for what. I want to know when Bush said that before the war we were goiung to invade Iraq to establish democracy.
This should be easy, provide a link or proof that Bush said BEFORE the invasion that our purpose was to establish democracy in Iraq. And story AFTER March 2003 does not count.
Uhh Bob,
The State of the Union address was in January 2003.
We did not invade Iraq until March 2003.
Why doesn’t the story after March 2003 count?
Explain that to me Bob.
The link you provided was released on January 20, 2004. It was for the 1/2004 address, 8 months after the invasion.
Provide a PRE-war link please or admit that you lied. After 2003, it was proven that there were no WMD so Bush changed his reasons for going to war.
I lied about what Bob?
If you want to jerk me around, please be specific. I don’t usually entertain the intellectually lazy this much.
Get with it, Republican, you provided a link to a State of the Union address eight months after the invasion, not one BEFORE the invasion. You claim that the speech justified the war to establish democracy, but that was AFTER the fact.
Thgis is real simple – provide a link or story where Bush stated that his reasons for getting us into a war was to establish democracy in Iraq. Simple.
Stop BS’ing around and back up your statement. You still have not doen that.
You lied when you tried to use a 2004 SOTU address to backup your claim, knowing that it was AFTER THE FACT.
That is lying.
Bob,
Stop drinking and get a grip.
We didn’t invade Iraq until March 2003. I don’t think anyone outside of the Pentagon and the President knew the very specific plans prior to that, which including what to do after the Operational Combat Phase was completed.
Then the operation of rounding up the “playing cards” figure commenced.
After that it was helping Iraq rebuild.
You want me to get into the minds of the Senate Intelligence Committee, the President, the House Intelligence Committee and etc. I can’t do that.
I have tried to give a reasonable discussion Bob, but evidently you want to be unreasonable in trying to figure it all out.
With that I’m done with you, sense you can’t even lift one finger to do your own research.
Your participation on this blog is to be ignored.
So, you have failed to provide any proof that Bush invaded Iraq to establish democracy. The justification was because Iraq was an immenent threat to the US, but now you are saying that we invaded to establish a democratic society.
Somehow, I thjink that if most citizen were provided with that rationale pre-war, they would have been against the invasion.
So who should be ignored now? The guy that puts up BS rationale or the guy who asks a reasonable question and gets a BS answer?
And I already did the research and Bush never mentioned democracy as a reason to invade Iraq.
Yeah Bob, you wanted me to prove a negative, you changed the challenge.
You know good and well what the initial premise of evading Iraq Bob.
Why are you playing this game of proving negatives?
You are one large nut ball Bob.
And providing a link to a speech EIGHT months after the invasion to justify PRE war ratiuonale is LYING.
Nope! It was Weapons of Mass Destruction.
this claim has since been found to be false based on the work of the Iraq Survey Group spearheaded by Donald Rumsfeld. Other reasons for the invasion offered by U.S. officials have included concerns about terrorism, spreading democracy, the Iraqi government’s abuse of its own citizens, and the economic importance of Iraq’s oil supply.
You know good and well what the initial premise of evading Iraq Bob.
You said the war was about establishing democracy -0 but Bush said it was about WMD.
I never said anything about proving a negative. Just provide some proof that Bush invaded to establish democracy and I will admit I was wrong, but your proof has to be PRE WAR, not after the fact.
Okay Bob, I didn’t want to pull the Clinton Card out on you, but here goes, direct from Wikipedia…
The United States Congress also passed the “Iraq Liberation Act” in October 1998 after Iraq had terminated its cooperation with the U.N. in August. The act provided $97 million for Iraqi “democratic opposition organizations” in order to “establish a program to support a transition to democracy in Iraq.”
Guess what President was in charge then Bob.
You are troubled Bob and need to stop re-writing history for your own political agenda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
Bush did take many of the documents and advice from the Clinton Admin on Iraq and maybe liberating it.
Republican made a strong point there.
Somehow you don’t get the point Rep, I am not a Dem and I am not interested in debating those points. YOU stated that Bush wanted to establish democracy (for the tenth time) in Iraq and that was his justification for the invasion. I said that there has never been a vote to invade Iraq for that reason and I do not think America would have gone for it had Bush tried that rationale.
As for Joe – the UN Inspectors had been kicked out of Iraq under Clinton and had been readmitted to Iraq in 2002 – so why did we invade? Simple question simple answer.
I guess Joe and Rep cannot reconcile themselves to the fact that things can change over five years. Like when Saddam Hussein was an ally in 1987 and was then an enemy in 1991.
Reagan and Bush were arming Saddam in 1997 and Bush I invaded Iraq in 1991, so why the hypocritical attitudes?
Republican, I realize that you don’t have the biggest set of tits in the porno flick, but why are you avoiding the question? You said that invading Iraq was about democracy so just provide some proof.
Okay Bob here is the history from the Congressional Database 2002:
The bill was brought before the committee and voted to approve it. It was obviously brought before the House which passed it as did the Senate.
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Reported in House)http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:3:./temp/~c107ruaU4A::“Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime”
I don’t see how it can be clearer than that Bob.
How the Committee Voted:
vote 7: Motion to favorably report H. J. Res. 114
to the House, as amended. The amendment was
defeated by a rollcall vote of 31 ayes and 11
noes.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&dbname=cp1
07&sid=cp107l1O3i&refer=&r_n=hr721.107&item=&sel=T
OC_51889&Voting yes: Gilman, Bereuter, Smith (NJ), Burton, Ros-Lehtinen, Ballenger, Rohrabacher, Royce, King, Chabot, McHugh, Tancredo, Smith (MI), Pitts, Issa, Cantor, Flake, Kerns, Davis (VA), Green, Lantos, Berman, Ackerman, Sherman, Wexler, Davis (FL), Engel, Hoeffel, Berkley, Schiff and Hyde.
Voting no: Leach, Paul, Payne, Menendez, Brown, McKinney, Hilliard, Delahunt, Meeks, Blumenauer and Napolitano.
H.J.RES.114Title: To authorize the use of United States Armed
Forces against Iraq.Sponsor: Rep Hastert, J. Dennis [IL-14]
(introduced 10/2/2002) Cosponsors (136)Related Bills: H.RES.574, H.J.RES.110, S.J.RES.45,
S.J.RES.46Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 107-243
There it is Bob, legal and into Law.
Now what excuse are you going to use to not believe me when I say it is and was true about the reasons to go into Iraq.
It is there before you, written into Public Law for all to see and who voted for it.
And Bob we are definitely done conversing with each other.
Your crude remarks is not called for and has no place on this blog.
You’re denial and revision of history shows me a darker side.
That side is that you are one of the fisters, as you did not show up until after they left.
Have a nice life Bob, you are on ignore.
Hell, you really are the smallest boob on the set, Repub – Bush sold the war because Iraq was an immenent threat to the US – nothing about democracy. Where is your back up that he said that we HAD to invade to spread democracy?
Your crude remarks is not called for and has no place on this blog……
So you can call names and nic switch but no one else can, is that right Rep? You can accuse but no one esle can? When did you buy the blog? I read that you thought you were the King or Queen, but I thought that was just BS. Apparently you believe it.
Who appointed you the hall monitor, jerk off? You cannot back up your points so you start calling names? Isn’t that what you accuse others of doing?
BTW – Rep, your links don’t work. I should not have expected any more from a boob like you.
(laughs at Bob the Fister)
what a pathetic maroon.
Still waiting for that proof, Republican. I guess that you are as full of shit as everyone says you are. And efveryone says that you are full of it.
And Bob the Fister? What kinda nickname is that? Is that a bad thing or something youmade up.
You started a debate and now you are running away like a little spoiled boy (or girl) Where is your proof?
You made the statement now back it up.
Republican, you can shit in your hat and call it a bowl of soup. To you, it may be soup but to the rest of us, you are just an idiot that crapped in his hat.
Bob — don’t try to engage HIM or stoop to HIS level — tell HIM what a great poster HE is and how intelligent HE appears — then give HIM a cookie, HIS crayons and coloring book, show HIM where HE can rest HIS head and take a nap and tell HIM to go play ….. then you can return here and engage people in some sort of intelligent dialogue
… and you should feel blessed HE has put you on ignore
Right on Ken!!!!! Rep, here is a cookie, now go sit at the childrens table so that the adults can talk…..
two sad old curmudgeons, tipping the bottle late at nite…bob and ken
Now here’s a guy using the name of a political party, attempting to be the spokesperson (I have a difficult time using the term spokesMAN) for that party — and everyone else has a political agenda — what irony?
Kettle, pot, black ?
Would you put me on ignore too — PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
I keep spitting out my drink (Kaopectate) when I see your posts ..
I am fairly young Rep, but I am still waiting for your proof… getting older by the minute, you saggy old boob.
Bob – Bob
Bad form — try this — ahhh
thanks for reminding us that excessive alcohol may lead to random incoherent statements and rantings — we always like to hear people with experience discuss them — Need another cookie?
Maybe start with something like
Wisdom of the Aged and experienced thanks ….
uh oh — the jig may be up?
Published: April 20, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Blogging in Britain has become a privilegeLONDON April 20 (UPI) — The European Union’s Racism and Xenophobia Directive could cause a blow to Europe’s blogging community, making them directly responsible for their posts.Bloggers face three-year jail sentences if their remarks on the Internet are “carried out in a manner likely to incite violence or hatred,” Britain’s Daily Telegraph reported Friday.
“There is potential for this to have worldwide application. Free speech is at the center of blogging. Part of the reason bloggers can tell the truth is because it is difficult to pin them down. This law tries to do it,” said Chris Mounsey, 29, and the man behind “The Devil’s Kitchen” blog.
The new laws are set to be in place by 2010.
It is not only bloggers who are upset about the new laws, the Telegraph said.
British Shadow Home Secretary David Davis, said: “We don’t need yet more law to combat racial hatred and incitement to violence. We already have British law dating back to 1861.”
Are you about 40 years old Bob :)
Tried your web page again — either my computer is messed up or something has happened to your page
There is nothing in the margins, no link on the spinner — the only active link is the type key one.
Give us an answer about the war Reb or STFU. Democracy or WMD?
rob67 and glfr48m
Two emails so easy to track…
wealth of information…
photossexual preferencesaddressesphone numbersweb sites visitedoccupationscities
oh yeah. :)
Say what? Did your drugs kick in or are you just delusional, Rep?
Can you give everyone a link to my photo, JM?
BTW – JM or Republican or whatever – are you the same guy that says he can get an IP address from an e-mail? I guess you really are as stupid as everyone says you are.
I am way behind on most of this topic – but you CAN get an IP address from an email sent to you, as long as it is from a provider-based email account.
I thought everyone knew that.
Yes, kind of makes one want to growl at or claw someone. :)
I went to your web site — not to find out who or where you are, I thought it would be interesting to see more about you’re background — specifically about your Army service — you as much invited people to go it — sounds like you WANT to be stalked —
I even told you I was having problems viewing it –
When you told us in a recent blog about how you got injured — my initial reaction was — Ouch – that’s gotta hurt !!! he deserves as good a care as we can provide him —
Not
God how stupid of him (I know it wasn’t your fault) to try and catch 30 lbs. of airplane with his stomach –
or not
hmmm …. I wonder why someone wanted to frag him
…. but now I have my doubts
I am out of cookies this morning (go figure) — can you til 11 AM when I go to the store
Like usual, republican is in full multiple personality mode. He initially made FUN of someone who threatened to get his IP address, then HE threatened to do the very same thing. He has variously threatened to report people to their superiors (andrew) report them to the police, meet posters in person…
… and he pimps his own blog constantly. There was a guy named Brandon who used to do that before he got bounced.
Why doesnt JM get bounced again for pimping his blogs?
Oh, and dont forget that email you sent me. (evil grin) I mean, if you wanna talk IPs….
JM is big on threats. Actually getting off his lazy ass and taking action? Eh.. not so much!
“Why doesnt JM get bounced again for pimping his blogs?”——————
Probably for the same reason you don’t get bounced even though you make it quite clear you stalk folks…..
ksfarmgrrl,
Thinks she knows who I am and has it all wrong.
Think I’ll email that dude at that blog and ask him to come here and set things straight.
Whatever republican. Links are forever. Everyone who follows the trail knows, but if it make you feel better to drum up more denial, knock yourself out.
GS, heheheh. Wanna say more? I love to watch you dig a deeper hole…
So if using google to follow JM’s tracks is stalking…
…what do you call what you did to me? Remember, the words are here forever…
Wanna talk about threatening and stalking?
“rob67 and glfr48m
Two emails so easy to track…
wealth of information…
photossexual preferencesaddressesphone numbersweb sites visitedoccupationscities
oh yeah. :)
Posted by: Republican | April 21, 2007 at 12:20 AM”
I’d say you two twits can dish it out, but you cant take it.
And we are learning about your lies, threats and bluffs.
But please, continue to huff and puff if it makes you feel powerful. heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh
Yes ksfarmgrrl, I posted the above, but just posted it for grins, no further action was taken.
You on the other hand are as GSheridan described, a hateful person who stalks others and then makes false accusation that I’m someone else.
Not unlike CapnAmerica I might add.
“Thinks she knows who I am and has it all wrong.”———-
Seriously, Republican, I’d just ignore her. She gets more demented by the day.
No one but her believes her silly accusations anyway. You’ve already said you weren’t the poster she’s accused you of being – and everyone else here believes you.
Yes, she’s hateful.
I can only assume it’s because she hates her own life.
…shrug….
“Yes ksfarmgrrl, I posted the above, but just posted it for grins, no further action was taken.”
Uh, JM, how do WE know that? Because you said so? hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehheeh
You’ve been busted in so many lies your word and integrity, again, would fit in a thimble and there would still be room leftover.
And when it comes to hate, a repost of your greatest hits, along with your background singer GS, would provide a textbook of lies, threats, stalking, etc.
And again, if me using the google is stalking, what do you call what you and GS do? Sunday school? Hehehheheeheheheheheheheheheheheh
Like I said, you can dish it out but you cry like a little girl when you get it back.
“and everyone else here believes you.”
OMG, THAT is funny!
I dont recall ANY poster saying they believe JM about anything.
Or you, for that matter. When you have been caught red handed in as many lies and denials as you all…
… it just gets funnier with each post. Keep that shovel handy. The holes you two dig arent even half way to china…
I think ksfarmgrrl is evolving into the next Cho.
Perhaps we should report it.
Just when you think JM and GS cant stoop any lower….
You just cant over estimate their desperation. O what they will do when backed into a corner.
They love to out others, threaten them, etc. But when called to task?
They whine like the little prison b****** they are.
Well, it’s been fun, but I have work to do. You know, that’s what happens when you support yourself.
She sure seems to be heading down that path.
Her thinly-veiled rage towards anyone who holds a different opinion, her childish name-calling and labeling…..and now, not only stalking, but crazily INSISTING that some poster is also on a different board.
It really IS disturbing.
You know – if she goes and pulls a “Cho,” we’re going to feel guilty for not reporting her to the authorities earlier.
Hehehehehheeheheh. Yeah. Insisting isnt necessary when readers can, uh, actually read.
Follow the links. Read. I see ALL THOSE PEOPLE who believe you and JM are just RUSHING to your defense.
Bitter, party of two? Your lonely little table is ready….
Oh yeah, and when confronted with the facts? Hehheheeheheheh. It must be part of the CONservative play book to accuse someone of being something heinous, like a TRAITOR or a TERRORIST lover or a potential mass murderer.
At least I tell the truth.
And you two? Hheheheheheheheheh
Crickets chirping.
JM, you better fire up some of those other nics and start posting letters of support for yourself.
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
Follow what links?
She probably means follow the discombobulated voices in her head….those are usually the only links I can figure she is citing.
Well, isnt THIS typical of conservatives trying to use the courts to bilk the public out of their hard earned tax dollars.
Father Says Sons Traumatized By Lesbian Library Book
(Bentonville, Arkansas) A Bentonville, Arkansas man is demanding the city pay him $20,000 for the pain and suffering of his sons after they discovered a book on lesbian sex in their local library. “(They were) greatly disturbed” said Earl Adams his letter to the city. “(We had) many sleepless nights in our house.”
Adams wants $10,000 per child, the maximum allowed under the Arkansas obscenity law. Adams also wants the city to fire library director Cindy Suter. The boys, aged 14- and 16 came across the book while the 14-year-old was looking for material on military academies.
The book, “The Whole Lesbian Sex Book” by Felice Newman was moved to an inaccessible area of the library after Adams first complained, and then removed altogether following a second complaint from the man.
In a letter to Mayor Bob McCaslin, Adams said the book is “patently offensive and lacks any artistic, literary or scientific value.” A city attorney said that Adams’ demand for money is without merit. The city library board in removing the book said it will look for another volume on lesbians and if something “more appropriate” is not found “The Whole Lesbian Sex Book” will be returned.
“Any effort to reinstate the book will be met with legal action and protests from the Christian community,” Adams stated in an e-mail to the Morning News newspaper. The paper said that Adams asked to answer questions by e-mail because he said he feared being misquoted.
Meanwhile, Suter has announced her intention to resign effective May 31, but she told the Morning News the decision had nothing to do with the controversy. The job is part time and she said she needs to devote more time to her business.
http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/04/042007book.htm
*** – Okay now….. where to start? Let’s start with:
“They were looking for material on military academies.” (translation) We’ve seen all the naked ladies in the National Geographics in the library already….
“My sons were greatly disturbed.” (translation) They have huge boners that won’t go away. Including Dad.
“We’ve had many sleepless nights.” (translation) {see above}
“Father want’s $10K per child to assuage their trauma?” (translation) I’m using my children for PR and profit.
“Any efforts to reinstate the book will be met by legal action and protests by the Christian community?” (translation) I’m emailing my story to Bill O’Reilly as we speak.
“Ms. Suter the librarian has announced her intention to resign effective May 31.” (translation) I’ts a part-time job. They don’t pay me enough as it is. I don’t need this shit!!!
I’d call THAT the STUPID CONSERVATIVE STORY OF THE DAY!!!!
Let us know ksfarmgrrl when you hit fame on “The Factor.”
Twenty minutes ago, farmie, you said you had to leave to ‘work.’
What happened?
Did the one person that wandered into lonely cafe turn out to be a bum just needing to use the loo?
Darn – and you put on that greasy apron for nothing?
I feel for ya.
what are you talking about — you got the glfr48m right but thats easy do you think I’m rob67? — if you do —-
“Wanna talk about threatening and stalking?
“rob67 and glfr48m
Two emails so easy to track…
wealth of information…
photossexual preferencesaddressesphone numbersweb sites visitedoccupationscities
oh yeah. :)
Posted by: Republican | April 21, 2007 at 12:20 AM”
I’d say you two twits can dish it out, but you cant take it.
And we are learning about your lies, threats and bluffs.
But please, continue to huff and puff if it makes you feel powerful.
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What the hell are you talking about, making up ? — I’ve never emailed you — I’ve never threatened you,
are you now threatening me?
Sick !!!
I wouldn’t email you because I know you would find a way to twist anything I say, and you are sickly threatening enough to society you’d be able to find my name and address by the tags on my emails, then I’d have to go out and get a CC permit and a gun to protect myself from you — come sit in my front yard if you want — I will not come out and play who has the bigger dick — I’m afraid you’d want to touch mine and kiss it
Do yourself a favor please put me on ignore —
I have 2 questions, when people put coins in your tin cup, can you tell by the sound what they are?
What street corner do you work on and what days? — a lot of us want to come by and put a buck or two in your cup, so you can get back into therapy —
Oh and I see Mom is back — we’ve tried everything, cookies and milk, crayons and coloring books and a place to nap so the adults can talk — but your son keeps spilling his milk, and using crayons on the walls and won’t take a nap — makes it hard to have an intelligent discussion / dialogue here —- can you get him to behave — I’m sure you try yout best — but when your gone he really acts out
One last thing —- I’m guessing you admire J. Edgar Hoover, did you get any of his dresses when he died ?
I’m am done with you — no more cookies —-