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		<title>By: outlander</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254808</link>
		<dc:creator>outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven: My comment would be that your view is backward looking. Racism happened in the past and still happens today. The focus, in my view should be on doing what needs to be done to promote equality in the future.  Others may argue that justice is what is paramount and therfore quotas and affirmative action are the solution.  I disagree. If you want a color blind society, your solution cannot  be based on disparate treatment of anyone.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven: My comment would be that your view is backward looking. Racism happened in the past and still happens today. The focus, in my view should be on doing what needs to be done to promote equality in the future.  Others may argue that justice is what is paramount and therfore quotas and affirmative action are the solution.  I disagree. If you want a color blind society, your solution cannot  be based on disparate treatment of anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: J M Walker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254807</link>
		<dc:creator>J M Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pigeonhole you? You don&#039;t need my help with that. You do a great job yourself. So far you have proved your another bushbot (war), don&#039;t believe in science (global warming), and condemn politicians who don&#039;t run their lives quite the way you want them to (Edwards). Yep, you don&#039;t need my help.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pigeonhole you? You don&#8217;t need my help with that. You do a great job yourself. So far you have proved your another bushbot (war), don&#8217;t believe in science (global warming), and condemn politicians who don&#8217;t run their lives quite the way you want them to (Edwards). Yep, you don&#8217;t need my help.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254806</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outlander,

Instead of lengthy rants about what it is &quot;liberals&quot; do, why don&#039;t you make us all a nice list of what conservative radicals do?  I&#039;d like to know what you believe your positive contributions to society currently are.

And remember, this is for posterity, so be honest.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outlander,</p>
<p>Instead of lengthy rants about what it is &#8220;liberals&#8221; do, why don&#8217;t you make us all a nice list of what conservative radicals do?  I&#8217;d like to know what you believe your positive contributions to society currently are.</p>
<p>And remember, this is for posterity, so be honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254805</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Steven - racism comes in all colors.&quot;

As I told my friend, outlander, the consequences of racism has different effects for different races.

If you will be honest even for a couple of minutes, GS, you might come to think that the above statement is true.

The Repubs don&#039;t want to run on a program of how well they have done with racial disparity.  Anybody remember New Orleans?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_disparity&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_disparity&lt;/a&gt;

Please keep it up, Repubs.  I am begging you clowns to keep it up.  You will all be put in the dust bin of fecal matter that does not matter.  Thanks!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Steven &#8211; racism comes in all colors.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I told my friend, outlander, the consequences of racism has different effects for different races.</p>
<p>If you will be honest even for a couple of minutes, GS, you might come to think that the above statement is true.</p>
<p>The Repubs don&#8217;t want to run on a program of how well they have done with racial disparity.  Anybody remember New Orleans?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_disparity" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_disparity</a></p>
<p>Please keep it up, Repubs.  I am begging you clowns to keep it up.  You will all be put in the dust bin of fecal matter that does not matter.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254804</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if you can&#039;t see that error, I know you mean well.  So, tell me what you think.  Thanks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if you can&#8217;t see that error, I know you mean well.  So, tell me what you think.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254803</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outlander,

With all due respect, you are completely wrong.  I just cannot see how we can conflate white racism with black racism.  There is no comparison - if you look at the _facts_, one would have to conclude there is no comparison.  When was the last time a white person was lynched due to black racism - maybe never???

I disagree that liberals love to put people into categories.  I think that is the agenda of your party.

While I think you are a good man, I think you have some rather bogus political beliefs.  I hope you will come to see the error of your ways...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outlander,</p>
<p>With all due respect, you are completely wrong.  I just cannot see how we can conflate white racism with black racism.  There is no comparison &#8211; if you look at the _facts_, one would have to conclude there is no comparison.  When was the last time a white person was lynched due to black racism &#8211; maybe never???</p>
<p>I disagree that liberals love to put people into categories.  I think that is the agenda of your party.</p>
<p>While I think you are a good man, I think you have some rather bogus political beliefs.  I hope you will come to see the error of your ways&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: outlander</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254802</link>
		<dc:creator>outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And fundamentally, I don&#039;t think that Whites are in any position to call anyone racist. Especially any white republicans.&quot;

Steven: My, oh, my, where to start on that one. That has to be some of the most incredible liberal nonsense that I&#039;ve heard from you. Really? Can&#039;t call a black person racist, even if he is? Why? How about someone dark brown? How about someone who is mocha colored? How about someone who is a little tan? Can I call another white person racist?  Where does one race start and another end? Betcha can&#039;t tell.

Liberals just love to put people into groups and categories.  Of course in doing so, they make MLK&#039;s vision of a color-blind society impossible. It just becomes us against them.

So in their feel good righteousness,  liberals try to remedy past discrimination with current discrimination. Which, of course , creates resentment and fuels the very feelings and actions that they are trying to alleviate. And who is there to fan the flames of animosity. People like Al Sharpton.

If any good comes out of this, it will be that we will have had an airing and exposure of the sorry state of race relations in this country. And the utter failure of the liberal agenda to do anything other than to make it worse.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And fundamentally, I don&#8217;t think that Whites are in any position to call anyone racist. Especially any white republicans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Steven: My, oh, my, where to start on that one. That has to be some of the most incredible liberal nonsense that I&#8217;ve heard from you. Really? Can&#8217;t call a black person racist, even if he is? Why? How about someone dark brown? How about someone who is mocha colored? How about someone who is a little tan? Can I call another white person racist?  Where does one race start and another end? Betcha can&#8217;t tell.</p>
<p>Liberals just love to put people into groups and categories.  Of course in doing so, they make MLK&#8217;s vision of a color-blind society impossible. It just becomes us against them.</p>
<p>So in their feel good righteousness,  liberals try to remedy past discrimination with current discrimination. Which, of course , creates resentment and fuels the very feelings and actions that they are trying to alleviate. And who is there to fan the flames of animosity. People like Al Sharpton.</p>
<p>If any good comes out of this, it will be that we will have had an airing and exposure of the sorry state of race relations in this country. And the utter failure of the liberal agenda to do anything other than to make it worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Schooley</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254801</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Schooley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS,

You said your parents sent you to a private boarding school in Arizona and you got to do a lot of horseback riding.  You didn&#039;t specify Western or English.  Maybe some of both.  So let&#039;s say, hypothetically, that you went to Verde Valley or Orme.  Tuition and room/board today, per year, $36,400 or $30,360.

It&#039;s nice that you got to enjoy the wide-open west, and rode horsies.  But the question is, why did your parents send you away?  Why didn&#039;t they want you in their house?  I mean, you could have done equestrianship nearby, right?  So, you were hurt.  Hurts at that age go very deep.  What child feels good about her parents sending her away?

You have issues to try to resolve.  My mom, older than you, was also sent to boarding school (the &quot;top&quot; girls&#039; boarding school in the Western U.S.).  She still hasn&#039;t resolved her issues.

You hate democrats.  But these are people, just like you.  Not privileged.  Also not shipped off/aboandoned by their parents.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS,</p>
<p>You said your parents sent you to a private boarding school in Arizona and you got to do a lot of horseback riding.  You didn&#8217;t specify Western or English.  Maybe some of both.  So let&#8217;s say, hypothetically, that you went to Verde Valley or Orme.  Tuition and room/board today, per year, $36,400 or $30,360.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice that you got to enjoy the wide-open west, and rode horsies.  But the question is, why did your parents send you away?  Why didn&#8217;t they want you in their house?  I mean, you could have done equestrianship nearby, right?  So, you were hurt.  Hurts at that age go very deep.  What child feels good about her parents sending her away?</p>
<p>You have issues to try to resolve.  My mom, older than you, was also sent to boarding school (the &#8220;top&#8221; girls&#8217; boarding school in the Western U.S.).  She still hasn&#8217;t resolved her issues.</p>
<p>You hate democrats.  But these are people, just like you.  Not privileged.  Also not shipped off/aboandoned by their parents.</p>
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		<title>By: GSheridan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254800</link>
		<dc:creator>GSheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven - racism comes in all colors.

By not punishing racism EQUALLY across the board, you are going to create animosity that will lead to MORE racism.

No one gets a bye here - no one.

You have NO idea what kind of hatred you are breeding.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven &#8211; racism comes in all colors.</p>
<p>By not punishing racism EQUALLY across the board, you are going to create animosity that will lead to MORE racism.</p>
<p>No one gets a bye here &#8211; no one.</p>
<p>You have NO idea what kind of hatred you are breeding.</p>
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		<title>By: GSheridan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254799</link>
		<dc:creator>GSheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JM - sorry, I don&#039;t like Newt.  But that just burns you, doesn&#039;t it?

Your lame attempt to pigeonhole me - and all GOP&#039;ers falls short of the mark.

John Edwards, in my opinion, is the worst of ALL the Dems running right now.

Maybe you like him - good for you.  I don&#039;t, and I&#039;m not going to quit telling folks why.

Mark my words, within three months he will have dropped out of the race.  Even among Dems, he is losing support since his wife have become ill again.

I can&#039;t believe you said, &quot;Damn that woman for caring about her husband. Hell damn them both for being a loving couple.&quot;

WTF?  Loving couple?  Is that what the kids are going to say five years from now as they put flowers on their mother&#039;s grave?  &quot;Gee - wasn&#039;t it fun to spend the last months of her life campaigning 16 hours a day?&quot;

Why would ANYONE want to elect a man to run our country who doesn&#039;t even know how to prioritize his own family life?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM &#8211; sorry, I don&#8217;t like Newt.  But that just burns you, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Your lame attempt to pigeonhole me &#8211; and all GOP&#8217;ers falls short of the mark.</p>
<p>John Edwards, in my opinion, is the worst of ALL the Dems running right now.</p>
<p>Maybe you like him &#8211; good for you.  I don&#8217;t, and I&#8217;m not going to quit telling folks why.</p>
<p>Mark my words, within three months he will have dropped out of the race.  Even among Dems, he is losing support since his wife have become ill again.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe you said, &#8220;Damn that woman for caring about her husband. Hell damn them both for being a loving couple.&#8221;</p>
<p>WTF?  Loving couple?  Is that what the kids are going to say five years from now as they put flowers on their mother&#8217;s grave?  &#8220;Gee &#8211; wasn&#8217;t it fun to spend the last months of her life campaigning 16 hours a day?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why would ANYONE want to elect a man to run our country who doesn&#8217;t even know how to prioritize his own family life?</p>
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		<title>By: littlejohn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254798</link>
		<dc:creator>littlejohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the neocon code of illness&quot;  I guess I&#039;m  a neocon (whatever that is) because I think people should pay their own way? Or that minor illnesses (give me a break, they are pretty easy to identify and treat) should cost the patient someothing, and not charge those that can pay for someone else? Okay. Fine. Socialist. Does that feel better now that we&#039;re reduced to name calling?  I didn;t think so.  I think that healthcare deserves to be talked about. I don;t think it deserves to be socialized.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the neocon code of illness&#8221;  I guess I&#8217;m  a neocon (whatever that is) because I think people should pay their own way? Or that minor illnesses (give me a break, they are pretty easy to identify and treat) should cost the patient someothing, and not charge those that can pay for someone else? Okay. Fine. Socialist. Does that feel better now that we&#8217;re reduced to name calling?  I didn;t think so.  I think that healthcare deserves to be talked about. I don;t think it deserves to be socialized.</p>
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		<title>By: Republican</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254797</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone that identifies themselves as a Liberal Democrat and is white has any authority or premise to call any one a racist just because they identify with the Republican party.

The implication is false just like the stage in which the false accusers stand on.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone that identifies themselves as a Liberal Democrat and is white has any authority or premise to call any one a racist just because they identify with the Republican party.</p>
<p>The implication is false just like the stage in which the false accusers stand on.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254796</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can&#039;t you admit the simple fact that there are black racists without trying to make it a partisan issue?&quot;

My concern about doing what you suggest, i.e. calling blacks racist, could in some peoples&#039; minds condone white racism, which has been a much more malignant force on this planet than any racism blacks might have been guilty of.  Why is THAT so hard for Republicans to understand, is what I&#039;d like to know?

And fundamentally, I don&#039;t think that Whites are in any position to call anyone racist.  Especially any white republicans.

Your insistence on going on about this issue is an example of making this a partisan matter - one that is not at all helpful to your party.  So, please keep it up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can&#8217;t you admit the simple fact that there are black racists without trying to make it a partisan issue?&#8221;</p>
<p>My concern about doing what you suggest, i.e. calling blacks racist, could in some peoples&#8217; minds condone white racism, which has been a much more malignant force on this planet than any racism blacks might have been guilty of.  Why is THAT so hard for Republicans to understand, is what I&#8217;d like to know?</p>
<p>And fundamentally, I don&#8217;t think that Whites are in any position to call anyone racist.  Especially any white republicans.</p>
<p>Your insistence on going on about this issue is an example of making this a partisan matter &#8211; one that is not at all helpful to your party.  So, please keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: J M Walker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254795</link>
		<dc:creator>J M Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS,Your rant is pointless and meanders all over the place. Plus, if you can wade through the usual neo-con claptrap, your take is ridiculous.

As in, your reference to John Edwards? If I may:

&quot;April 12, 2007 — It&#039;s a little after 5:30 a.m. and John Edwards is sitting down to have breakfast. There are no newspapers to be read, no campaign schedules to go through, but there is an agenda.

Edwards is seated beside Elaine Ellis in her small New Rochelle, N.Y. apartment and the two of them are about to leave for work. Ellis earns $14 an hour as a nurse aide. It is not long before the two are in Ellis&#039; car on their way to a nursing home in Mamaroneck, N.Y.

By 6:30 a.m. the presidential candidate is shaving 83-year-old Irving Zywotow &#039;s face. It&#039;s a role normally held by Ellis, but on this day, it&#039;s Edwards&#039; job.

Edwards participated in the &quot;Walk a Day in My Shoes&quot; program, sponsored by the Service Employees International Union. The powerful union has invited presidential candidates to see what life is like for working Americans. Edwards was the first to oblige and Ellis quickly found out that he wasn&#039;t in uncharted territory with this assignment.

&quot;When I was in college in South Carolina I lived with my grandmother and my grandfather was in a rest home and we would go over and take care of him,&quot; said Edwards. He said he often helped with shaving, showering and changing clothes. Now, he&#039;s doing it all again on the campaign trail.

Edwards has come dressed for the occasion in jeans and, ironically, a blue collar shirt.

Many of the seniors had troubling identifying the former senator, but he was eager to help jog their memory.

&quot;Remember the last presidential election in 2004? Kerry and Edwards? I&#039;m Edwards. I&#039;m running for president this time,&quot; he told Zywotow.

For the residents at the Sharon Neuman Nursing Home, Ellis&#039; face is far more familiar. The divorced mother who&#039;s raised four children on her salary has been employed with the home for 18 years, and doesn&#039;t like to miss a day.

&quot;When they say &#039;I missed you yesterday&#039; that means a lot to me,&quot; said Ellis.

Ellis, a union activist, said she was impressed with Edwards&#039; enthusiasm.&quot;

Yep, he&#039;s a real piece of s88t, isn&#039;t he.

O, you&#039;re reffering to his running while his wife has cancer?

&quot;Elizabeth Edwards, 57, said she was &quot;incredibly optimistic&quot; and said her expectations about the future were unchanged.

&quot;I expect to do next week all the things I did last week. And the week after that, and next year at the same time,&quot; she said.

And she wanted her husband to continue his run for thepresidency.&quot;

Damn that woman for caring about her husband. Hell damn them both for being a loving couple.

O, by the way: what did your political savior, Newt, do?

No more humor, GS, you&#039;re too dead headed to waste it on, IMHO:-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS,Your rant is pointless and meanders all over the place. Plus, if you can wade through the usual neo-con claptrap, your take is ridiculous.</p>
<p>As in, your reference to John Edwards? If I may:</p>
<p>&#8220;April 12, 2007 — It&#8217;s a little after 5:30 a.m. and John Edwards is sitting down to have breakfast. There are no newspapers to be read, no campaign schedules to go through, but there is an agenda.</p>
<p>Edwards is seated beside Elaine Ellis in her small New Rochelle, N.Y. apartment and the two of them are about to leave for work. Ellis earns $14 an hour as a nurse aide. It is not long before the two are in Ellis&#8217; car on their way to a nursing home in Mamaroneck, N.Y.</p>
<p>By 6:30 a.m. the presidential candidate is shaving 83-year-old Irving Zywotow &#8217;s face. It&#8217;s a role normally held by Ellis, but on this day, it&#8217;s Edwards&#8217; job.</p>
<p>Edwards participated in the &#8220;Walk a Day in My Shoes&#8221; program, sponsored by the Service Employees International Union. The powerful union has invited presidential candidates to see what life is like for working Americans. Edwards was the first to oblige and Ellis quickly found out that he wasn&#8217;t in uncharted territory with this assignment.</p>
<p>&#8220;When I was in college in South Carolina I lived with my grandmother and my grandfather was in a rest home and we would go over and take care of him,&#8221; said Edwards. He said he often helped with shaving, showering and changing clothes. Now, he&#8217;s doing it all again on the campaign trail.</p>
<p>Edwards has come dressed for the occasion in jeans and, ironically, a blue collar shirt.</p>
<p>Many of the seniors had troubling identifying the former senator, but he was eager to help jog their memory.</p>
<p>&#8220;Remember the last presidential election in 2004? Kerry and Edwards? I&#8217;m Edwards. I&#8217;m running for president this time,&#8221; he told Zywotow.</p>
<p>For the residents at the Sharon Neuman Nursing Home, Ellis&#8217; face is far more familiar. The divorced mother who&#8217;s raised four children on her salary has been employed with the home for 18 years, and doesn&#8217;t like to miss a day.</p>
<p>&#8220;When they say &#8216;I missed you yesterday&#8217; that means a lot to me,&#8221; said Ellis.</p>
<p>Ellis, a union activist, said she was impressed with Edwards&#8217; enthusiasm.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, he&#8217;s a real piece of s88t, isn&#8217;t he.</p>
<p>O, you&#8217;re reffering to his running while his wife has cancer?</p>
<p>&#8220;Elizabeth Edwards, 57, said she was &#8220;incredibly optimistic&#8221; and said her expectations about the future were unchanged.</p>
<p>&#8220;I expect to do next week all the things I did last week. And the week after that, and next year at the same time,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>And she wanted her husband to continue his run for thepresidency.&#8221;</p>
<p>Damn that woman for caring about her husband. Hell damn them both for being a loving couple.</p>
<p>O, by the way: what did your political savior, Newt, do?</p>
<p>No more humor, GS, you&#8217;re too dead headed to waste it on, IMHO:-)</p>
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		<title>By: GSheridan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254794</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re going to give folks stuff for free - I want ice cream.

You can have my flu shot and I&#039;ll take a double dip of chocolate-cherry chunk.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re going to give folks stuff for free &#8211; I want ice cream.</p>
<p>You can have my flu shot and I&#8217;ll take a double dip of chocolate-cherry chunk.</p>
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		<title>By: GSheridan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254793</link>
		<dc:creator>GSheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JM - Okay, I went back and saw the smiley face.  I&#039;m cool with jokes.

And I would vote for Condileeza Rice in a heartbeat.

It&#039;s not a skin color OR a female thing.

It&#039;s an integrity thing with me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM &#8211; Okay, I went back and saw the smiley face.  I&#8217;m cool with jokes.</p>
<p>And I would vote for Condileeza Rice in a heartbeat.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a skin color OR a female thing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an integrity thing with me.</p>
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		<title>By: J M Walker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254792</link>
		<dc:creator>J M Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In my personal opinion, I think the use of emoticons is kind of gay.&quot;

Then by all means, don&#039;t use them. I guess there are no republican gays . . . O, wait . . .There are!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In my personal opinion, I think the use of emoticons is kind of gay.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then by all means, don&#8217;t use them. I guess there are no republican gays . . . O, wait . . .There are!</p>
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		<title>By: GSheridan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254791</link>
		<dc:creator>GSheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JM - I&#039;m missing the point?

No - you&#039;re missing the point.

The point is HOW DO WE CHOOSE who gets medical care and who does NOT?

Your &quot;process to weed out phonies&quot; will end up costing us even more.

Why can&#039;t we allow medical professionals UNDER the designation of &#039;doctor&#039; to see patients?  Why does every snot-nosed kid need to see the same doctor that someone who is bleeding from the rectum should see?

Let&#039;s triage these people and send the runny noses to an LPN down the hall.

But first, we have to make sure that folks who get free healthcare can NOT file lawsuits against docs just to make a buck.

I know that would put those who prey upon the misery of other, i.e, John Edwards, out of business, but when you get something for FREE - you don&#039;t look that gift horse in the mouth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM &#8211; I&#8217;m missing the point?</p>
<p>No &#8211; you&#8217;re missing the point.</p>
<p>The point is HOW DO WE CHOOSE who gets medical care and who does NOT?</p>
<p>Your &#8220;process to weed out phonies&#8221; will end up costing us even more.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we allow medical professionals UNDER the designation of &#8216;doctor&#8217; to see patients?  Why does every snot-nosed kid need to see the same doctor that someone who is bleeding from the rectum should see?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s triage these people and send the runny noses to an LPN down the hall.</p>
<p>But first, we have to make sure that folks who get free healthcare can NOT file lawsuits against docs just to make a buck.</p>
<p>I know that would put those who prey upon the misery of other, i.e, John Edwards, out of business, but when you get something for FREE &#8211; you don&#8217;t look that gift horse in the mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: J M Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>J M Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Only for major illnesses, I think&quot;

Using your logic, who decides what a &quot;major illness&quot; is? Do you wait until the ill are dead prior to making a decision?

&quot;O, gee, he had prostate cancer. O, well, he&#039;s dead now, so it doesn&#039;t matter.&quot;  . . . the neo-con code of illness.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only for major illnesses, I think&#8221;</p>
<p>Using your logic, who decides what a &#8220;major illness&#8221; is? Do you wait until the ill are dead prior to making a decision?</p>
<p>&#8220;O, gee, he had prostate cancer. O, well, he&#8217;s dead now, so it doesn&#8217;t matter.&#8221;  . . . the neo-con code of illness.</p>
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		<title>By: fleettwood</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I expect you didn&#039;t notice the smiley face at the end of that?&quot;

In my personal opinion, I think the use of emoticons is kind of gay.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I expect you didn&#8217;t notice the smiley face at the end of that?&#8221;</p>
<p>In my personal opinion, I think the use of emoticons is kind of gay.</p>
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		<title>By: J M Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>J M Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expect you didn&#039;t notice the smiley face at the end of that?

sheesh right back at you. I guess one should never attempt humor with a neo-con.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect you didn&#8217;t notice the smiley face at the end of that?</p>
<p>sheesh right back at you. I guess one should never attempt humor with a neo-con.</p>
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		<title>By: J M Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>J M Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS,As usual you&#039;re missing the point: Unable to pay for whatever REAL reason, be it medical conditions that don&#039;t allow them to work, quadriplegics, cancer victims . . .  how many do you want? Would a couple hundred REAL reasons do, or do you need to whittle it down to one, two or none?

I&#039;m sure processes can be put in place to weed out the phonies and let the ones who really need it in, emergency rooms not withstanding.

While there are many organizations doing outstanding work for children, there needs to be something in place to guarantee these people get the medical help they need. Like I said: healthy people are better able to support themselves, and that includes health insurance.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS,As usual you&#8217;re missing the point: Unable to pay for whatever REAL reason, be it medical conditions that don&#8217;t allow them to work, quadriplegics, cancer victims . . .  how many do you want? Would a couple hundred REAL reasons do, or do you need to whittle it down to one, two or none?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure processes can be put in place to weed out the phonies and let the ones who really need it in, emergency rooms not withstanding.</p>
<p>While there are many organizations doing outstanding work for children, there needs to be something in place to guarantee these people get the medical help they need. Like I said: healthy people are better able to support themselves, and that includes health insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: GSheridan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254786</link>
		<dc:creator>GSheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JM - it has nothing to do with the color of Obama&#039;s skin - I think his socialist ideas are a danger to our nation.

Sheesh.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JM &#8211; it has nothing to do with the color of Obama&#8217;s skin &#8211; I think his socialist ideas are a danger to our nation.</p>
<p>Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: GSheridan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_11-11/#comment-254785</link>
		<dc:creator>GSheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, MJ, how do you determine those &#039;unable&#039; to pay?

Maybe some have two-income families, but they have a huge car and house payment and have no money left over.  Maybe some make a crapload, but blow it all eating out.  And maybe some make half as much, but only pay a small amount in rent - and have more left over?

How will you determine this?

If I am correct - and someone can tell me if I&#039;m not - just about anyone can walk into an ER and get help for an illness or trauma these days.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, MJ, how do you determine those &#8216;unable&#8217; to pay?</p>
<p>Maybe some have two-income families, but they have a huge car and house payment and have no money left over.  Maybe some make a crapload, but blow it all eating out.  And maybe some make half as much, but only pay a small amount in rent &#8211; and have more left over?</p>
<p>How will you determine this?</p>
<p>If I am correct &#8211; and someone can tell me if I&#8217;m not &#8211; just about anyone can walk into an ER and get help for an illness or trauma these days.</p>
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		<title>By: littlejohn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone unde the age of eighteen-No problem

Anyone who can&#039;t afford health insurance, for whatever reason, should receive quality medical care

Only for major illnesses, I think

otherwise, what is the difference as socialized medicine.  If you work hard and have a good job, you get the priviledge of paying for your health care. If you don;t yo get it free at the expense of those who did. Not fair at the least.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone unde the age of eighteen-No problem</p>
<p>Anyone who can&#8217;t afford health insurance, for whatever reason, should receive quality medical care</p>
<p>Only for major illnesses, I think</p>
<p>otherwise, what is the difference as socialized medicine.  If you work hard and have a good job, you get the priviledge of paying for your health care. If you don;t yo get it free at the expense of those who did. Not fair at the least.</p>
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