Sorry, I was in a meeting.

My scenario WAS just pure bunk. I made it up. I was having a discussion with Political Mom about how much to tell in a friendly fire incident, how much was relevant. I am sorry you took it as a presentation of fact in the Tillman case. I believe I have stated several times the incident shoulld have never been lied about, shouold never had been trumped up for “hero worship” or anyhting of the like. I also stated that if it was murder or fragging (same thing) An execution is in order. Sorry I was not clearer

“Serial One had just exited the canyon when the second serial came under enemy fire from the canyon rim above. Tillman and other soldiers in his unit climbed up the hill to get closer to the enemy. By now, Serial Two was coming out of the canyon.

An allied Afghan soldier in Tillman’s squad fired his weapon at the opposing ridgeline, across the canyon well above the Serial Two vehicles. Mistaking the Afghan for the enemy, a Ranger shot him dead and others in his vehicle also began shooting wildly.”Cease fire! Friendlies!” Pat Tillman and others shouted, several soldiers later testified, including several in Serial Two who said they had identified the friendlies.

Soldiers on the hill were waving their arms to signal cease fire, and Tillman set off a smoke grenade to signal they were friendlies.

A lull in the shooting led him to believe they had been recognized, and Tillman and another soldier stood up; the firing resumed, and Tillman was struck in the head by three bullets.http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/04/21/MNGE7PD64H1.DTL

And as for Tillman’s last words, likely NOT uttered when running INTO the fire.

“But files obtained by Tillman’s mother, from three Army investigations into the killing, document a different set of last words.

According to testimony issued by a fellow Ranger, who was at Tillman’s side when he was killed, the last words Tillman shouted before being shot were, “Cease fire, friendlies, I am Pat F****** Tillman, dammit!”http://www.thehumanist.org/humanist/articles/Niman.JanFeb06.html

So.. unless you can provide a link to YOUR sources, I think it is bunk. Or just pure speculation.

I understand his last radio transmission, after begging them to stop firing was “I’m Pat F’ing Tillman!”

Care to post a link to your version of the facts? So we can check it for ourselves?

Today, Pat Tillman was accidently killed by a member of his squad. Tillman was lying in a trench and seeing a large camel spider and a scorpion about to crawl up his leg, stood up and ran directly into the line of fire a 50 caliber automatic rifle. Approximately 25 rounds entered his body.

All true (in this example). In my mind, most of it irrevelant other than he died in combat. We can disagree and I can live with that

Of course there is a difference. And of course you are just speculating. Accidental fire should mean internal investigation and appropriate actions, which may include a lessons learned and a change in tactics. Fragging should mean a hanging, or death squad.

“What happened to “we the people”?I’m tired of this Anti-american sentiment. ”

and”It’s scary as hell all the people who think that we should be shielded from truth, as that’s how dictators feel”

I must have thought you were stating something political about my thoughts, such thinking the same as dictators, and having “anti-Ameican Sentiments.I take that as political, and personal

Because I think, given Tillman’s atheism, his opposition to the iraq war, and his talk about going home and becoming involved in politcs…

…some of us are a little suspicious that this wasnt just “friendly fire” but was, in fact, an execution a la fragging.

But when so many lies are told, so early and so often, it makes it hard to find the real truth.

Kinda a hallmark of bushco, no?

Because from my experience, they want to know more information than that.

Why is it wrong to tell a family that their loved one died because of a mistake or because of a murder or because of whatever…just because they’re fighting a war?

That isnt’ fair. They died serving their country. They know mistakes happen. They can handle it.

My response really came from another board I post on, and I brought some of that over here, because a military man over there said he wouldn’t want his family told the truth and doesnt’ care that they would want to know, and that he felt that all military families should be lied to basically.

Please get off your high horse. I never defended the BUsh administration. I never said to tell families of murdered children they died of a heart attack. Gmafb.I said they should have never made a big deal out of it. I said they should hav never awarded the silver star. I said that a story should have never been fabricated.I don’t give a Damn about the “hiding the truth because they can;t handle it” Bullshit. I care more about the We the People stuff than a good deal here wouild ever know, care, or support. My point was NONE OF THAT BULLSHIT!. The point was that telling the family they were killed by accident provides no comfort for family, period. My concern was FOR THE FAMILY. I said that the family should just have been told they were killed in a combat zone. I don’t know the details, but if there was an action, that they were killed in action. Period. No embellishments, no lies. Nothing.Get over your BULLSHIT that just because I don;t agree that I am trying to cover up for “BUSHCO”Once again, so you understand clearly. MY CONCERN WAS FOR THE FAMILY, NOT THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE MILITARY> GOT IT?

When the Soviets lied about their “heroic comrade soldiers,” we called it government propoganda.

What can’t you call what BushCo does by its name?

Government propoganda.

Since how they died is of no consequence.

Why is it with this ‘you can’t handle the truth’ attitude? I don’t feel friendly fire is something that should be punished, it happens, accidents happen. Anyone who calls those people killers need their heads examined.

This whole accountability society is ridiculous. ACCIDENTS happen. It’s scary as hell all the people who think that we should be shielded from truth, as that’s how dictators feel.

What happened to “we the people”?I’m tired of this Anti-american sentiment.

It fits the pattern you find with Bush and the people who serve him.

To hell with reality–reality is whatever we say it is.

And if you don’t believe it, you’re a cheese-eating, America-hating, Al Qaeda-loving surrender monkey.

As usual, the Bush Administration tries to rodent-bugger everything they get their hands on. I’ve yet to see something they weren’t totally OK with lying about.