‘Loyal Bushies’ can be political hacks

The big reasons to be upset with the Bush administration get all the attention, but don’t overlook the little reasons, says Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus. She ticks off some of the alarming instances in which top jobs were variously entrusted to and ill-served by “loyal Bushies,” then concludes: “If your faith is more in the operations of the private sector than in the capacity of government, if you have scant commitment to the laws you are pledged to enforce, if you see government less as a trust to be administered than a force to be used for the benefit of political and ideological allies, then this kind of behavior is the inevitable result.”
Posted by Rhonda Holman

81 Comments

  1. J M Walker
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    . . . and anything else BUT was expected from this group of incompetent clowns? Hell, the keystone cops had 10 times the brain power these idiots have. Worst administration ever.

  2. Ben Huie
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    This has been the case throughout the administration. From “heckuva job Brownie” to the firings of US Attorneys to purging military leaders who warned of impending disaster in Iraq. We also see scientists being gagged and threatened with job loss and black-balling if they fail to toe the administration line.

    In my various management classes we were taught that a manager’s best resource is the guy who is willing to tell him he is wrong. Bush, like the emporer with no clothes, is not willing to accept that.

    This is not the first administration that has done this. LBJ had his inner circle that never let him know what was happening until it was too late. Jimmy Carter had his “Georgia Mafia” of insiders that isolated him. However, I have never seen it quite this complete.

  3. Ben Huie
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002933.php

    Meet Monica “Buzz Saw” GoodlingBy Paul Kiel – April 1, 2007, 12:04 PMThere has been an assumption that Monica Goodling, the Justice Department’s liaison to the White House, is pleading the Fifth simply because of her role in preparing false testimony to Congress. That is, at least, the impression given by her lawyer’s letter to the investigating committees.

    But this profile in Legal Times shows that Goodling is far from just a mid-level aide who played a peripheral role in the purge. On the contrary, she’s very well-connected and apparently one of the main drivers behind the process of selecting U.S. attorneys.

    The whole thing is worth reading

  4. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    “Everybody does it” is not a good defense of course —However, the point of the Marcus story and the Holeman link is that conservatives seem to be unique in this area!How many Clinton assciates ended up in jail or left the country?Do you really believe that all of the Clinton and Carter appointments were competent?

  5. J M Walker
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Econ,This is about the BUSH administration, not Clinton or Carter. Whatever they did is history. What this group does costing lives. No comparison.

  6. Ben Huie
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    “”Everybody does it” is not a good defense of course — ”

    And then, of course, BushBot Paul proceeds to do just that!

  7. mrbill
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Sounds must like the Democrats when they get in…they just screw different people. So its just “half time – change sides”.

  8. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    JM and BenPLEASE READ the opening to this thread.I am disputing that premise that conservatism is not compatible with competence.In relative terms, I have made my point, since liberal appointments actually ended up with more criminal charges, in recent times!

  9. Ben Huie
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Paul – just where did it say that conservatism is not compatible with competence?

  10. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    “I have made my point, since liberal appointments actually ended up with more criminal charges, in recent times!”

    Please post some proof of that.

    The only “liberal” appointments made in “recent times” were over six years ago in the Clinton administration.

    So… this, and the “everyone does it” defense that Paul dislikes but still made… are really just another way of saying…

    BILL CLINTON! BILL CLINTON!!

    Tell me something Paulie, will the next Democratic President be allowed to blame everything bad for the first six years on little boots?

    Just wondering for future reference…

  11. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Forgive me, but that is the interpretation I get from the above:

    “then concludes: “If your faith is more in the operations of the private sector than in the capacity of government, if you have scant commitment to the laws you are pledged to enforce, if you see government less as a trust to be administered than a force to be used for the benefit of political and ideological allies, then this kind of behavior is the inevitable result.”

  12. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    faith in the private sector is a conservative trait, a conservative value.

  13. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Farmgirl

    SANDY BERGER

    Old Clinton appointment.Recent charges.Ya, I know, Bush went easy on him.

  14. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    One example is HARDLY

    “liberal appointments actually ended up with more criminal charges, in recent times!”

    which is what YOU said. SO you posted one example.

    I post scooter libby. We can do this all day until you prove that “”liberal appointments actually ended up with more criminal charges, in recent times!”

    (I’m settling in for a long day of tit for tat with paulie the shillie)

    Wassa matter paulie, cant back up that outrageous statement?

  15. Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Every Political Administration has its Political Hacks.

    There are a few in Bush’s Admin I don’t like, namely Karl Rove.

    There are some purely aligned unappointed political hacks on both sides that I don’t like.

    Sean Hannity,Rush Limbaugh and Carvill and Begala.

    Thank goodness none of them are appointed to an office, but they are effective for their respective clients which is why I included htem.

  16. Tyler Durden
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    You mean like Clinton EPA Administrator Appointee Carol Browner? She single handedly did more damage to the Environmental Protection Laws with the “ReInvention of Government” and the “Brownfields” programs than ANY Republican syncophant ever did. She ignored the Libby Vermiculite that was contaminated with asbestos, (yes it could be in your attic now), and the rest of the asbestos problems despite a rising death count.

    This was the EPA Administrator that stated “Asbestos is a problem of the past”, and wnet with the “Brownfields programs” that was “Pave and wave”.

    Most of the Brownfield Program properties are now plagued with “Vapor intrusion” of whatever pollutant was there and not cleaned up. Same with the Asbestos denial by Sec. Browner in the incorporation of the XL Program that let Cities demolish entire blocks without asbestos removal, inspections, or required notifications!!! We have plenty of problems with asbestos contaminated properties that are City properties.

    Just do a Google search for the following:

    “XL Program”

    “Ft. Worth Method”

    “Wet Demolition”

    “St. Louis Airport” and “Asbestos”

    This was the result of not a Republican appointee, but a Democratic Appointee.

    There is more than enough incompetence to go around.

  17. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    FarmgirlI simply went in cronological order, going backwards from the date of their public shame, Sandy “pants” Berger came up first.

    Here is a list I havent read completely:

    http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/wwstats.htm

    Typed “Clinton Cabinet Scandal” into yahoo browser, got 995,000 hits.You find one that suits you, ok?

    By the way, my liberal friends:

    George W. Bush is NOT running again.

    BILLARY IS RUNNING AGAIN!

    You are arguing with a Republican who desperately wants Hillary to win the Democrat primary.

    She is a Democrat that any of our announced candidates can beat!

    EVERYTHING that happened under Bill Clinton is relevent if Hillary is your nominee.

    Hillary wants BACK in the White House.

    The Clintons ARE running for re-election” in a very real sense.

  18. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    So… that is TWO examples of possible wrong doing by BILL CLINTON appointees.

    It still doesnt prove Paulie’s

    “”liberal appointments actually ended up with more criminal charges, in recent times!”

    So, now it is my turn to post the name, if I could remember it :) of the GSA head who was recently convicted of criminal wrongdoing?

    I’d say the score now is two to two. Pleased for you to be showing

    “liberal appointments actually ended up with more criminal charges, in recent times!”

    Or perhaps, you want to admit you are BOTH talking out yer wazoos? I’m going to fleetie’s plaque store right now for the one that says “I CAUGHT THEM TALKING OUT THEIR ASSES!”

  19. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Heheheeheh. Nice job paulie.

    Type in GW BUSH CABINET SCANDALS and see what you get.

    “Web Results 1 – 10 of about 941,000 for G W BUSH CABINET SCANDALS.”

    It doesnt mean every hit IS a scandal, it means every hit TALKS about a scandal.

    And the last I heard, “scandal” does not equal “criminal charges” which is what you claimed!!

    And I see the CLinton years covered eight years. And bush 43 is only about 50,000 scandal HITS behind clinton, after only six years, with TWO YEARS left to go!

    What a maroon!

    Please post the ACTUAL number of “liberal appointments” that “actually ended up with more criminal charges, in recent times!”

    Then post the same number of conservative appointments that ended up with “criminal charges, in recent times”.

    Admit it boys, you let yer alligator mouths overload your tadpole asses.

  20. Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Econ101,

    Thanks for the advice. But you’ll forgive us for casting a jaundiced eye over it, considering the source. For what it’s worth, CF2K actively opposes a Hillary Clinton candidacy, and has been doing so for as long as he’s been posting here.

    As for the Bush Administration’s fetishization of loyalty over competence in making political appointments, well, gosh, where to begin? Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, whose only distinction is to have been relatively less undistinguished than his precedessor? Condoleeza Rice, whose ineptitude as National Security Advisor is only exceeded by her ineptitude as Secretary of State? Donald Rumsfeld, who never met a fantastical scenario he couldn’t embrace or a reality he couldn’t deny? Or maybe the granddaddy of them all, Viceroy Dick Cheney, who has succeeded in turning over Iraq to Iran?

    I mean, seriously. To mix some metaphors, in terms of political hackdom, this fish rots from the head.

  21. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Oh, and Paulie, the name is HILLARY.

    BILL isnt running, no matter how you repuke hacks try to spin that.

    But nice try, and we are amused, so do try again.

  22. CF
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    ksfarmgrrl,

    Ah, the disgestive images: ‘Repuke’ and ‘hack’ in the same sentence. A big ol’ hairball is all they are.

  23. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    hehehweeheheeheh CF2K!!!

    Now MY cats are barfing…..

    Oh, and heckler, when you get done with that shower, will you please address the arguements in that DU article like you insisted I address the nonsense put out by assrocket?

  24. Tyler Durden
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    “BILL isnt running, no matter how you repuke hacks try to spin that.”

    But in Hillary’s own word’s when asked what her husband will be doing

    “Bill will be Ambassador to the World”

    That statement there should make your wupport fot the Clinton machine.

  25. Ben Huie
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    “You are arguing with a Republican who desperately wants Hillary to win the Democrat primary.

    She is a Democrat that any of our announced candidates can beat!”

    Just like Bonnie Huy beat Raj Goyle!!!!!

  26. steve
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Gooding resigned Friday. Bet that won’t stop her from being supoeaned. Maybe, she’s going to cut an immunity deal, and figured might as well resign, instead of getting fired.

  27. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Link below to a blog post concerning recent events in the Minneapolis U.S. Attorney’s office; is the new U.S. Attorney a “Loyal Bushie”, or just in over her head?

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013470.php

  28. steve
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Not either/or, with a Loyal Bushie, it’s definitely both.

  29. Ben Huie
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    VT – sound to me like she will fit in perfectly in the Bush administration:

    “As the article notes, before getting the plum US Attorney spot, Paulose was a special assistant to Alberto Gonzales and apparently big buds with none other than 5th amendment invoker Monica Goodling. “

  30. WSClark
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    I think I am going to post for a while on WE Blog today, just to piss off a few of the wingnuts that are so threatened by my presence…..

    Clinton Administration – 30 convictions of administration personnel.

    Reagan Administration – more than 100 convictions of administration personnel.

    That does not include the Iran Contra Five that were pardoned against DOJ guidelines by GHWB.

  31. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Farmgirl

    “Billary” is a term coined by the Arkansas press.

    “Buy one get one free” is a quote from Hillary, herself.

    You lost this one.

    They run as a team, they govern as a team.

    The team is running for re-electioin!

  32. Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    I think the Attorneys who demoted themselves were used to Attorney Tom Heffelfinger, the former head who was more of a “laissez faire” manager and of course male.

    Having a young female around as boss may have irked the cronies network they have built up.

    She is more than likely inexperienced and probably makes questionable calls, but the law says she boss.

    Get used to it or go home, it’s just that simple.

  33. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    CFYou are smarter than the average liberal, and not a bad strategist.

    BenHow many unsuccessful campaigns have you worked on?I am not involved for my ego.In fact, I tend to spend my limited resources and time on candidates that actually need my help.

  34. Pedant
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    “Paulose, who, after just months on the job, has earned a reputation for quoting Bible verses and dressing down underlings.”

    “Paulose was a special assistant to Alberto Gonzales”

    “The job changes followed a visit to the office by a representative from the Executive Office of the U.S. Attorney in Washington.”

    LOL

    Yeah, VT, I think I know how this one ends, roughly:

    Yet another Bush political appointment in a position where screwups can do real harm to American citizens. Inevitably, they screw up. The Bush administration blames “government,” rejecting any accountability for HIS government. Bush is shown once again to be both incompetent and an idiot. The End.

    LOL

  35. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/clinton-scandals.html

    Oh, and on a personal note, I know 3 people who were actually represented by the two, different, Agriculure Secretaries under Clinton: Dan Glickman and Ron Espy of Mississippi.Type Espy into your browser, or just dig through all the other scandals on this link:

    http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/clinton-scandals.html

  36. Wiseman
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    I like the picture on this topic, it looks like bush is peeing in a urinal.

  37. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I know people who moved from Wichita to Greenville, MS, Espy’s former hometown.Espy was a huge scandal!

    Sorry, I meant MIKE ESPY:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/counsel/smaltz/inreespy.html

  38. Pedant
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Probably a codpiece adjustment. ;>)

  39. Pedant
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Mike Espy can’t hold a candle to Mike “Yer Doin’ a Heckuva Job Brownie” Brown.

    Now THAT’s a scandal!

  40. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    http://www.americanpolitics.com/082897Espyatthebar.html

    Now, Espy did get off the hook. I do think some others involved got thrown under the Clinton bus!

  41. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    pedant

    When did job performance or lack there of rise to criminal behavior?

    Again, most of the problems in New Orleans were cultural, the product of a corrupt, crime-ridden system.Nagin and Blanco, the Democrat Mayor and Democrat Governor, had more to do with the early response problems than ANY Federal official.

  42. WSClark
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Well, Paul, since to seem to be an “expert” on Democratic misdeeds, I would like to hear your defense of the Iran Contra Five and Col. Oliver North.

    This should be interesting.

    Keep in mind that the Republicans are all about the rule of law.

  43. Pedant
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Why did Bush tell Brown he was doing a “heckuva job” econ101?

    See, it was a twofer: Brown and FEMA completely screw up, and Bush cluelessly complements ‘em on it.

    Like I said, THAT’s a scandal.

  44. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    WSClark

    The Boland Amendment was ILLEGAL!

    Therefore, Ollie North did NOTHING WRONG!

  45. Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    It still irks the Lefties that the ACLU helped Oliver North out in his situation. :)

  46. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    PedantWe were in the middle of a crisis.Stop the bleeding first.Administrative changes come later.The people needed hope and assurance that help was on the way.(The delay in much of that help is the fault of Democrat Governor Blanco, who never requested the help and resisted Bush’s offers of help.)

  47. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    A bit more on the situation in Minneapolis, courtesy of the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Comments, especially the one posted by “DOJ Veteran” are interesting, too.

    http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_5604832

  48. Ben Huie
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Paul – I have been involved in a few successful campaigns and a few unsuccessful ones. Does the name Goyle ring a bell?

  49. Econ101
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    BenGlad you finally had some success, even if at my expense.I think your total losses, in races where you actually voiced an opinion or a helping hand, probably still exceeds mine.

  50. WSClark
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    You conveniently failed to mention the Iran Contra Five, Paul…..

  51. WSClark
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    BTW – Paul, the Reagan Admin contended that the Boland Amendment was illegal, but never had it overturned via the courts.

    Therefore it was legal. It was the law at the time of the incident.

    So, what happened to the Republicans being all about the rule of law?

    Should it be the Republicans are all about the rule of the law that they agree with?

  52. Ben Huie
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps. JFK 1960, winning side. Barry Goldwater 1964 – I was on the losing side. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) I was on the winning side. I may have been at this for a few years more than you.

    What’s your point?

  53. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    I’m just catching up in this thread, but my progress has been held back considerably by my ABSOLUTE BEWILDERMENT at the notion that Republican can so consistently represent himself here as a card carrying right wing lunatic and simultaneously express support of a Bill Richardson presidential candidacy AND a dislike of Karl Rove.

    I mean, SERIOUSLY! What the F*CK?

  54. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    I’m reluctant to indulge this line of discussion given that it’s been SIX FRIGGIN YEARS since the GOP took over from the Clinton administration. But I keep seeing right wing lunatics on this board make reference to the “fact” that numerous Clinton associates fled the country. Does anyone have any credible documentation of this claim? Who the hell are they talking about? Everytime I see this claim it sounds more and more to me like a lunatic wingnut fantasy that has been handed down as “fact.”

  55. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Following up on my previous post, it’s also quite amusing to me that SIX FRIGGIN YEARS later wingnuts would make so much of these unknown people “fleeing the country,” with the obvious implication being that they were avoiding questioning and possible prosectution. And at the very same time I hear so many wingnuts sobbing and carrying on about how people such as Monica Goodling should fear for their LIVES because the Democratic congress is on a witch hunt!!!!!!!

    FYI: The GOP Congress took 200+ hours of sworn testimonty of Clinton adminstration officials regarding the firing of travel agents from the WHY Travel Office. Incidentally, the travel agents in question handled the travel arrangements of the washington press corps. As if any of these wingnuts ever gave a flying f*ck about the wellbeing of the Washington press corp.

  56. steve
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Any mathmeticians here? What is the probability that out of the 50 states, Karl Rove mentions 11 as being key in the next presidential election, and Gonzo Gonzalez, magically appoints 9 new US Attorneys belonging to the group of 11? I think it must be a lesser probability than Gonzalez picking the winning numbers of the Powerball lottery.

  57. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Steve,

    Haven’t you ever heard the phrase “Presidential Prerogative?” According to wingnuts it’s entirely within the rights of the ruling party to turn the Federal Govt into a branch of their national party committee. You see, all the blather about strict constructionism and the rule of law is so much bullshit. With the eager, if not rabid, encouragement of the wingnuts on the WE Blog, the modern conservative movement has been reduced to nothing more than an anti-liberal movement. You have only to skim the entire history of every thread on this blog to prove that. The “conservatives” here have NOTHING but hatred of liberals.

    Disaster in the gulf coast? It’s the fault of the locals.

    Disaster in the middle east? It’s the fault of the locals.

    And so it goes…

  58. steve
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Agreed. And, they have no problem with scientist being subject to the Ministry of Propaganda. We have become more like the former Soviet Union, than the former Soviet Union has become like us!

  59. Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m just catching up in this thread, but my progress has been held back considerably by my ABSOLUTE BEWILDERMENT at the notion that Republican can so consistently represent himself here as a card carrying right wing lunatic and simultaneously express support of a Bill Richardson presidential candidacy AND a dislike of Karl Rove.

    I mean, SERIOUSLY! What the F*CK?

    Posted by: Condor | April 07, 2007 at 03:03 PM

    Condor,

    There’s a new Republican in town and we’re going to take the far left cut and runners to task. :)

  60. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    You’re exactly right. W looked into Putin’s eyes and LIKED WHAT HE SAW.

    Meanwhile, the “conservatives” here lob the terms Communism and Socialism as though they have any idea what the f*ck they’re talking about. Those terms mean as much to them as “neo-neol-lib” means to Republican. They’re just meaningless empty terms with no bearing on reality at this point.

    Meanwhile the GOP demands that we all show our papers at every checkpoint. Meanwhile the GOP demands that we all speak the “mother-tongue.” Meanwhile the GOP demands absolute allegiance to their Dear Leader!

    And all the while they continue their dated, empty bitching about “political correctness” and “regulation.”

    It’s beyond comical at this point. It’s sad and delusional.

  61. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Republican,

    I just want to make sure you’re aware that Bill Richardson was Bill Clinton’s ambassador to the United Nations.

    If you’re going to express interest in his candidacy you might want to watch your back at the next wingnut gathering.

    Love, Condor.

  62. Pedant
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Econ101,

    Bush gave Brown the kiss of death with his “yer doin’ a heckuva job, Brownie!” FIVE DAYS after Katrina struck NOLA.

    I repeat: in the year of our lord 2005 FIVE DAYS after Katrina struck NOLA, with cell phones out the wazoo plus all the considerable resources of FEMA at his complete and utter disposal, Bush in all his wisdom complimented Brown on the job he and FEMA were doing there.

    FIVE DAYS. In the 21st century. With every resource available to him. Bush was so clueless about the problems there that he COMPLIMENTED Brown FIVE DAYS after the hurricane made landfall.

    That’s a scandal. Period. Hell, it’s a tragedy.

    A tragedy of Aristotlean scale that even today the only catharsis open to Americans, given Bush’s refusal to fire Chertoff much less accept responsibility, is reflected in the OP’s point.

    Namely, under the “leadership” of Bush we bicker publicly over clearly inept “loyal Bushies” and speculate that under Bush we’ve got a “government less as a trust to be administered than a force to be used for the benefit of political and ideological allies.”

  63. Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    You think I disliked Bill Clinton? You’d be wrong. I wrote a letter blasting my Congressman for letting the sex thing get out of hand into an impeachment process.

    I firmly believe that the office of the President of the United States is to be respected regardless who is sitting in the Oval Office.

    Do I make jokes about Bill Clinton ? You bet. Do I makes about George Bush? You bet. Do I make fun of things that need to made fun of? You bet.

    Am I a Giuliani Republican? Not at all. I’m a independent thinker who happens to register as a Republican. Why? Because I don’t believe in trashing a country via means of Political rhetoric using offices such as the President of the United States as punching bags.

    Regardless of what you think of man in the office, it shows our moral courage if we show maturity by examining our Founding Father’s principles and apply them to current political climate.

    We obfuscate liberty if we try and burn it by symbolism and effigy. We put callouses and sores on the hands of liberty each time we use it for our own personal political agenda instead keeping the line of sight with our Constitution.

    We make a mockery of our Constitutional Republic when we have show trials like the Impeachment of Clinton and the Scooter Libby or a Gonzales episode.

    People hate me from both sides, for bashing their Political surrender monkeys who ignore the basic principles of our Constitution and assert their own selfish political agendas.

  64. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    LOOK OUT!!!!!

    You KNOW it’s all collapsing in on itself when smug partisan hatchetmen like Republican start maneuvering for the “center.”

    Next thing you know he’s going to start arguing that despite his nic he’s actually an “independent.”

    What the f*ck ever, Republican.

    I eagerly await your future arguments defending Richardson’s diplomatic trip to North Korea even as the Bush administration was arguing that we shouldn’t be talking to them.

    Finally, here’s a friendly tip: Give up on the fancy talk. Just give it up. Whenever you try it you embarass yourself. I mean, really. What the f*ck does this mean? “We obfuscate liberty if we try and burn it by symbolism and effigy.”

  65. GSheridan
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Nice use of the “f” word, Condor.

    Lets us know EXACTLY what quality of poster you are.

  66. Apophis
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Did you f*** hurt your virgin ears gsheridan?

    Too damned bad!

  67. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    GSheridan.

    Yes. The use of the “f” word means you don’t need to pay attention to anything else I say.

    But here’s a tip if you just can’t stand being left out and you find that you want to continue participating in the conversation. Whenever you see me use the “f” word just pretend I said “Jesus spat,” and you’ll be just fine.

  68. GSheridan
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Oops – is that a little more flaming liberalism showing, Apophis?

    Nice job of showing your true colors.

  69. GSheridan
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Condor, unfortunately, the syntax won’t allow for the substitution.

  70. Apophis
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Liberal and PROUD of it!

    Screw you and your facist storm trooper buddies gsheridan.

  71. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry, GSheridan. I’d like to regain my standing here. Let me quote Republican: “We obfuscate liberty if we try and burn it by symbolism and effigy.”

    I’m sorry. Now that I think of it, I don’t have the slightest f*cking clue what the f*ck Republican was trying to say there. And that says a lot more to me about the quality of a poster than their usage of the “f” word.

  72. GSheridan
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Apophis – okay, you’ve shown you can curse like a Middle Schooler. But can you do any other tricks?

    Condor – Republican’s statement made a lot of sense. Your “f” word usage is like listening to those goofy rappers talk. All curse words and no meaning.

  73. Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    It’s okay GSheridan, Condor never was taught to be polite by his mommy.

    You see the problem that Condor has is that he cannot put me in a box or categorize me accurately, so he deals out the cheap shots to maintain his reputation amongst his Liberal friends.

    I don’t care about my reputation, I am who I am. :)

  74. Condor
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    GSheridan,

    Apparently you’re the only person here who knows what the f*ck Republican meant by “We obfuscate liberty if we try and burn it by symbolism and effigy.” It’s nice of you to come to his defense though. Especially considering his support for Bill Richardson and his dislike of Karl Rove and all.

    Republican,

    It’s crystal clear that you don’t care about your reputation and that you are who you are.

  75. Apophis
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Go f*** yourself gsheridan……..and the fascist/fundie horse you rode in on.

    You are just another piece of s***, worthless right wingnut.

    You bring nothing to the conversation but pundit inspired rhetoric. Do the world a favor and slit your wrists.

  76. Tyler Durden
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Great argument there apophis. YOu just proved you are a mindless idealouge!

  77. Posted April 7, 2007 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Where do you live, Tyler?

  78. Apophis
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    “Great argument there apophis. YOu just proved you are a mindless idealouge!”

    What do you call youself TD, a “critical thinker”?

    You rightwingnuts are so full of yourselves!

  79. steve
    Posted April 7, 2007 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Here’s why gas prices have been so absurd over the past 4 yrs.,Occidental CEO got more than $400 million in 2006 Sat Apr 7, 7:07 PM ET

    CHICAGO (Reuters) – Occidental Petroleum Corp.’s (NYSE:OXY – news) chairman and chief executive took in more than $400 million in compensation last year, the company said in a filing, one of the biggest single-year payouts in U.S. corporate history.

    ADVERTISEMENTThe largest part of Ray Irani’s 2006 payout was $270.2 million from the exercise of options awarded from 1997 to 2006, representing more than 7.1 million shares, according to the company’s annual proxy statement, which was filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission in March.

    Irani also received $93.3 million in stock and dividends from a deferred stock program when the company closed the plan in October due to increases in liability and expenses for the program, the company said.

    Irani’s salary in 2006 was $1.3 million and his cash bonus was $1.4 million, according to the filing. But stock and option awards and other benefits lifted his 2006 compensation to $55.6 million, the proxy said.

    In the proxy, the company said that from December 1990 — when Irani succeeded Armand Hammer as chief executive — through 2005, the company’s stock rose to about $40 a share from $9 and its total shareholder return was 699 percent.

    “When you look at this, this is solid pay for performance,” said Richard Kline, an Occidental spokesman. “It serves the best interest of the corporation and the best interest of the shareholder.”

    Occidental shares closed on Thursday at $49.95 on the New York Stock Exchange.

    According to the Wall Street Journal, only a few CEOs have ever made more money in one year. In 2001, Oracle Corp. (Nasdaq:ORCL – news) CEO Larry Ellison received $706 million from exercising stock options and in 1998, former Walt Disney Co. (NYSE:DIS – news) CEO Michael Eisner received $570 million, according to the newspaper.

  80. Posted April 8, 2007 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Neocons, Project for a New American Century, global dominance, imperialism and their goal to take over our democracy and make it into their own little third world nation.

    This is all you need to know, all the rest is just what has happened since the fateful day all of these evil people created their “new” version of conservatism.

    IMPEACH

  81. Posted August 7, 2007 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Good site!