If radio jock Don Imus’ latest racist comment — about "nappy-headed hos" on the Rutgers women’s basketball team — were an isolated incident, a sincere apology might be sufficient. After all, he’s in the business of provocation.
But Imus has a disturbing history of making racist comments, once describing PBS anchor Gwen Ifill as a "cleaning lady."
The pattern was so clear that in 2001, Chicago Times columnist Clarence Page got Imus to take a pledge not to make any more racist remarks.
Imus apparently couldn’t keep the vow. He’s issued an apology, but I think he should be fired.
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And after reading the NYT story, assuming it’s accurate (I didn’t hear the incident in question), that’s not the worst of it. Note the comment of one of Imus’ on-air foils, a Mr. McGuirk (the title ‘mister’ is a term of respect; and out of habit, I use it here, but I’m certain he hasn’t earned it).
I won’t repeat it here, I’m afraid my fingers would revolt in horror.
Perhaps he is the dedicated staffer to tell racial jokes the article refers to. Why would anyone listen to such this idiot?
The 1st amendment may well give Imus the right to spew such crap; it does not require the broadcast companies to continue to give him a forum. Enough, already.
Yeah, let’s do that. Let’s fire him…just as soon as we ban sales of CD’s because the lyrics talk about ‘white hos, black hos,’ and drip with racism.
But I don’t have to buy them, GS. Talk to the kids – and their mommas, as they spend momma’s money – buying up that tripe.
Stupidity need not be catching. I can do my part here in the marketplace of ideas. Just as I do not buy those CDs ect., I need not listen to Imus. He’s proven his worth as a commentator: none.
“…but I think he should be fired.”
Who should be fired for refusing to hire anyone of color to the editorial board, randy?
What is this, an apology-fest? I get tired of people saying stupid things and then running to Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson for absolution.
Frankly, I have never understood the draw of Don Imus. When I heard him on the radio he said things like what is being complained of all the time. He is a shock jock. And now everyone is scurrying around at MSNBC saying how awful it was to say that. Yeah, well that’s what he does and you knew it.
But will they fire him? Probably, unless he sucks up enough to Al or Jesse and they grant him forgiveness.
Has anyone apologized for lying about Tawana Brawley?
Can the same person be clean, bright and articulate and also be nappy-headed? I wonder.
Yeah, he said it; and Bernard said what was reported. Imus is one of the early “shock jocks” along with Howard Stern; he (Imus) has, in the past few years, “cleaned up” his act to a substantial degree.
I’ve listened to Imus in the past; may do so in the future; but don’t do so regularly (was just “listening in” waiting for the 9:00 Sports Talk show to start the other day).
Too bad he shot himself in the foot; he’s doing some good things concerning “kids” with cancer, the veterans’ rehab hospital in San Antonio come to mind.
Well, Radio DJ’s live by the word and die by the word.
It wouldn’t be the first time a DJ was fired for saying something “out of line.”
BTW,CNN already has polls up on the Imus incident.
spin, spin, spin…
What if he said “Booger!” on the air? What that get him fired?
It’s all about the ratings, after all; I suspect the overnight “books” probably show a spike in listeners over the past few days, so more can be charged to sell “soap”.
SOB, only if he was referencing the much maligned “Booger” from Revenge of the Nerds. :)
They were nappy headed, though. Right?
What sunk the hook for me was an ‘urban’ radio station. A listener called in and said – When I say nappy headed ho it means something different than what HE said…. I can say those things but HE can’t –
I don’t go for the double standard. If it is offensive, then it is offensive. It does not come down to the color of the person that said it.
Well, it most certainly DOES make a difference who says it.
An entire academic discipline has emerged to examine these kinds of relationships called “sociolinguistics.”
If my aunt says that something is “darling,” I know what that means. If I’m out shooting trap with my pals (like I did yesterday in fact) and I say that somebody’s shotgun is “just darling” that’s not going to mean the same thing as when my aunt says it, is it?
A black person using a racial “slur” is a way of diffusing its power.
To each his own Capn. I’m sick to death of people falling all over themselves apologizing to black people for saying the SAME things they say. What’s good for the goose…
What exactly has old Al Sharpton done for the community aside from chasing down ‘hate crimes’? How much time/money does he donate to the community? Let’s say in relation to Imus and his cancer ranch.
Wasn’t it Jesse Jackson that used the racist term, “Hymie?”
Sharpton v. Imus.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/09/imus.ap/index.html
Oh great. Just what the country needs – two more loud mouths facing off.
Tempest in a teapot…Imus, Howard Stern..their listeners eat that garbage up. Sort of like the people who watch jerry springer and claim to be offended.
yeah..right.
Why the BLeep would any BLeep be offending by the bleeping jerry Springer Show? HE’s such a bleep.
Gad, I hate that show. Surely he must use paid actors for his “guests” Surely nobody can be that bleep up
If I called your mother a nasty White bitch you White folks would be all over me in a red hot minute.So don’t go given me the once over just because you can’t get it in your heads that calling someone names isn’t funny! Those girls are bright and intelligent. If one of you called my daughter a nappy headed hoe we’d be rolling on the floor while I’m taking you apart with my blade. Enough of this foolishness! Wrong is wrong. I don’t care if someone else Black or White did it. Imus is finding that words do have a way of coming back and biting you in the butt!!!
Agreed, Mr. Creek, agreed wholeheartedly. Thank you, I could not have said it better.
The comments by Don Imus are inexcusable. As are most of the comments and lyrics by a good many rappers. I do not listen to either.
I am going to venture out on a pretty shaky limb here, but I actually agree with LJ. In my mind there is no excuse for the images portrayed in a lot of rap music, etc. And like LJ, I do not buy or listen to them either.
Personally, if find Imus incredibly boring. I also found his producer’s comment to be even more offensive, it that is possible.
The issue will be decided by the sponsors of the Imus program. Michael Savage still has his program and he makes Imus sound like a nun. If the sponsors break with Imus – he’s gone.
Personally, I would like to see Imus and his producer take a cab to New Jersey and apologize to the Rutger’s Women’s B’Ball team face to face.
I am sure that they will be much more gracious to him that he was to them.
I am sure you are right.
He is no worse than many of the rabid right wing types on the AM band these days. I guess the people upset with him don’t listen to Michael Savage and the others. Savage advocates violence against others by white males all the time. He says things like “if you wanna see what the white man can do watch a WWE fight! This is who you are messing with and we will rise up!” And his callers are even more hate filled.
Is XM or Sirius in his future??
But calling the President of the United States a mental retard is freedom of speech and entertainment.
Imus is guilty of listening to Rap music. He would have never said “nappy headed ho” if the words hadn’t been planted in his mind. Everyone uses the “ho” term from rap. It’s planted in our popular speech.
And by the way, is it politically correct or incorrect to use the word “nappy?”
As a female co-worker was showing me an old scar on one of her fingers this morning.”How’d that happen”"A Hoe” (working in the garden)”What’d you do to make her mad”? Was my tongue in cheek response.
Wasn’t it Jesse Jackson that used the racist term, “Hymie?”
Posted by: GSheridan | April 09, 2007 at 02:23 PM
Yes t’was Jesse Jackson who used the term “Hymie”.But since t’was Jesse using it it was not racist, no. He is African American afterall.
“Gad, I hate that show. Surely he must use paid actors for his “guests” Surely nobody can be that bleep upPosted by: little john”
Oh John you have lived such a sheltered life!
Watching the to-do on CNN a repeated statement really hit me as sad, they kept pointing out that Imus will not be fired because he has so many listeners and is a money maker. That he has a very large listener base that agree with what he said. Racial jokes and the like will never die because many who say that they do not like them still laugh at them. No matter what race, religion, or even party a joke or slur about those that are not like you. Are often laughed at and sadly agreed with as the truth.
Don Imus referred to a number of young, African American women attending Rutgers University as “nappy headed hoes.”
“Nappy-headed ho’.” That’s your daughter he’s talking about.
“Nappy-headed ho’.” That’s your sister he’s talking about.
“Nappy-headed ho’.” That’s your mother he’s talking about.
“Nappy-headed ho’.” That’s your girlfriend or wife.
Why are we even having this conversation? Why does Imus even still have a job on a major network that broadcasts over PUBLICLY OWNED radio frequencies?
That’s the difference, all of you Right Wing apologists who secretly–or not so secretly–are fine with what Imus had to say. Namely, that his remarks were transmitted via PUBLICLY OWNED radio frequencies–some share of which, however miniscule, is held in trust for those same young women he saw fit to defame. That is, Imus and the networks for which he broadcasts borrow those networks from the public to make money. And in this case, they’re using the network that belongs to these young women to slander and belittle them in order to gain listeners and market share.
Here are the young women of the Rutgers Scarlet Knights, that Imus felt comfortable slandering.
http://www.scarletknights.com/basketball-women/roster/roster-alph.asp
I’ve never understood Imus’ appeal. Ever. But that’s really beside the point. In light of this, he absolutely deserves to pay the highest possible price professionally: to be fired by CBS, as well as NBC and its broadcast affiliates. If cable wants him, that’s fine. But he definitely does not belong on the airwaves as publicly held in common, for the common good.
No worse than the black moron Jessie (I have kids outside my marriage)Jacksons remark about NY city being “Himey Town.Give me a break. Between that moron and Sharpton (what a loser) whinningI don’t see things getting better.How about the “gangster BS from the asshole basketball players from Florida on national TV.S*it happens.
KIA you seriously will not sit here and try to defend Imus for his remarks now will you?
The joke you told hurt nobody, it wasn’t demeaning to anyone in particular. Not the same thing.
The entire exchange Imus made was disgusting. This wasn’t just a statement against blacks, but women, who have come so far in sports, to be taunted for sweating during a game? COME ON.
I’ve been a fan of Don Imus since he made autism advocacy a big deal on his program. And one pointed out the good work he did after the whole Katrina thing.
Yes, and Hezbollah takes good care of widows and feeds children.
I’m happy with his suspension. He said in the past that he would never make another racist remark- and yet he did. MSNBC says if he does it again, he’s out.
You just cant make the Blacks happy.Now this… it appears some of our African-American friends have found yetsomething else to be pissed about.
A black congresswoman (Sheila Jackson Lee D-Houston) reportedlycomplained that the names of hurricanes are all Caucasian sounding names.
She would prefer some names that reflect African-American culture suchas Hamiqua, Tanisha, Woeisha, Shaqueal, and Jamal. She would also like the weather reports to be broadcast in language that street people can understand.
I can hear it now. A weatherman in Houston says…….
“Wazzup, Mutha-fukkas! Hehr-i-cane Chamiqua be headin’ fo’ yo ass like Leroy on a crotch rocket! Bitch be a category fo’! So grab yo’ chirren, yo’ Ho, leave yo crib, and head fo’ de nearest guv’ment office fo yo FREEshit!”
I don’t care who else did it, or when, or for what reason. It does not matter. What Imus said was wrong, end of story.
Disgusting.
Not defending him Mom. Just making commentary on both other offensive remarks he has made in the past and the mainstream use of the ebonic vocabulary in society is all.He’s mean spirited. And he’s a liberal.
What difference does it make what we think? It’s guys like him that always grab the media spotlight and end up increasing their ratings. If America really gave a damn about putting and end to racism and bigotry, then no one would listen or pay any attention to the jerks….Americans loved to be shocked, that’s why Jerry Springer, Fred Phelps, Imus, Howard Stern, Gangsta Rappers, Rush Limbaugh, and all the other assholes are so popular, it’s what America wants.
You forgot Rosie O’Donnell Mary ;-)
Imus is supposed to be shocking? I thought he was just boring. I have never been able to listen to his drone for more than 30 seconds.
If he were working for me, he’d have been fired so fast his ass would have hit the pavement before the 5-second delay was over.
Sorry, I did leave out a host of others. The list is endless. Rosey has a big mouth, but at least she’s not a bigot and she advocates for children.
Imus is not only boring, he’s ugly as a mud fence.
I love the sound bite I here in Imus promo’s that have an email from some listener/viewer saying “You look like Rose Kennedy in a cowboy hat.” :)
Having met (and been cussed out by) the real thing on several occasions, I don’t see Imus as a racist. He’s an equal opportunity offender.If he were the worst example of racism in our society today, I would say that the civil rights movement had completed it’s work. Unfortunately it hasn’t, and Imus is a red herring to distract the country from the truly egregious white suprematism and the other forms racism takes today.Imus has made a career of being offensive and vicious. He exists because he brings out the worst in society.Should he be fired? Probably, but I would much rather see him die from lack of ratings and audience.
Having met (and been cussed out by) the real thing on several occasions, I don’t see Imus as a racist. He’s an equal opportunity offender.If he were the worst example of racism in our society today, I would say that the civil rights movement had completed it’s work. Unfortunately it hasn’t, and Imus is a red herring to distract the country from the truly egregious white suprematism and the other forms racism takes today.Imus has made a career of being offensive and vicious. He exists because he brings out the worst in society.Should he be fired? Probably, but I would much rather see him die from lack of ratings and audience.
What a freakin joke. Whoppie(sp?) Goldberg called into a radio show that was defending Imus. She just went on and on that Imus was racist and offensive. When asked about the stunt she and Ted Danson pulled (Danson showing up to an event in black face) she hung up.
Why do we support such double standards? Aren’t we supposed to be striving for equality? If you want to hear a TRUE racist, listen to Chris rock once or twice.
I’d have to agree with Jed, but it still doesn’t excuse what he said. I think the worst thing that could happen to him would be for his ratings to go down. If he was fired, he would simply make excuses but if his show ends because no one is listening maybe he’ll actually see the consequences of his actions.
Well. No surprise to see this thread bring out the racism. Also no surprise to see people using new nicknames to say what they really think. I wonder which of the regulars are posting under the names “Dodgegirl1″ and “5z4ft.”
SolDevVB,
Yeah, Chris Rock is such a racist that he holds the majority of wealth in American and enforces a cultural regime of black superiority over white people.
Please. Your white victimology is as morally convenient as it is fantastical.
Imus can be very boring. Sometimes he will go on a rant about how we are destroying the Earth by not using “green clean” products. Or he will go on and on about the mess at the military hospital. Or he gabs about helping the kids with cancer.Boring boring boring.
CF2K, let me clarify something… Chris Rock can call all white people “crackers” and such but I am not allowed to call him (not that I ever would!) the n-word??? Hmm, nice to know…
Do you people think that Imus was creative enough to coin “nappy headed ho”? Get real. He repeated it from …. GUESS WHO????
CF2K-“Yeah, Chris Rock is such a racist that he holds the majority of wealth in American and enforces a cultural regime of black superiority over white people.”
WTF is this bubble headed nonsense? Your economic status dictates if you are a racist or not. Pull your apologetic head out of your fourth point of contact and get a clue. Try a dictionary for the definition or racism!!!!!
It is just another media generated controversy. If you would go back and listen to tapes of Imus, you would find a lot of comments like that. Yet MSNBC wanted his radio audience so they broadcast his simulcast. They knew what he was about and they gave him the platform.
Someone with some stroke decided to make an issue out of it this time. Why now? And here we are, playing our dutiful part. As someone here posted a while back; dance, puppet, dance.
So since he’s done this type of thing before we should just excuse it this time? I agree that no one should be surprised by his actions, I don’t even listen to the jerk and I know about the things he has said and yes MSNBC knew what they were getting into by by broadcasting the simulcast but that still doesn’t mean that we should all sit her and say, “oh well, that’s just how he is, we knew that.” Maybe, hopefully, this will be the last straw and many people will finally get fed up with it.
Dodgegirl happens to be a real poster on another wichita blog. Whoever the troll is that came over here from there, is using her name. She would NEVER post something like that.
And Chris Rock, yeah he gets a pass on this one. What Imus said was in gest. Rock? That is another cup of tea all together. But yeah, gang up because he is white. That makes YOU AFN a racist. You choose to raie your voice about one race and not another. Definition of racism.
If Imus had only killed a puppy while filming it, everybody would be defending him. What happened to all the “move on” folks?
SolDevVB – WTF is your problem? Unless I’m completely misunderstanding what you’ve been writing, I agree with you!!!
Remember, the sword can cut both ways, so for those calling for Don Imus’s head, be concerned for your own, the time might come. Or do many consider themselves immune, or entitled, because of race? Obviously Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, as well as countless black ‘entertainers’ do.Why are so many so terribly sensitive about what someone else says, especially an ‘ol-shock-jock’ like Imus? Do the people that are so… offended have such a delicate, fragile self-image they need to react to everything someone says? Why should Don Imus take blame for how someone else reacts? People should take personal responsibility for their own emotion and how they themselves respond. They could simply ignore him if they had any maturity.I for one am tired of the politically correct attitude of ‘oh, you made me feel bad, you must be punished’.
Oh well. If a Black athlete, any person of color, does anything, they are immediately pulled from advertisements/media, TV. The media has a field day on “how” they should apologize and how they should look/sound we they apologize. Sponsor/endorsements CEASE.
Oh well. If a Black athlete, any person of color, does anything, they are immediately pulled from advertisements/media, TV. The media has a field day on “how” they should apologize and how they should look/sound we they apologize. Sponsor/endorsements CEASE.
AFN…If I miss fired, I apologize.
Mark,Amen
Barbra,Examples? Of Black athletes being pulled? And it would seem that their profession is sport, not media. How many of them have been pulled from sports?
Barbara, I’d have to completely disagree! I can not remember a single athlete or “person of color” who has been called out for a racist comment. Do you have an actual examples to back that up? This is where the double-standard is! If a white person says anything wrong, they’re immediatly villified yet if a “person of color” says something it is just passed over. It’s not right for either side to make these comments but there definitely should not be this double-standard saying that it is alright for one person to say and not another!
SolDevVB, I understand, maybe the way I worded some things made it a little confusing. It’s hard sometimes when you get fired-up to understand what some people are really trying to say – or at least that’s how it is with me:)
So WHO wants to talk about racism?????
Swing Phi SwingAlpha Lambda Omega Christian SororityAlpha Kappa AlphaDelta Sigma ThetaGamma Phi DeltaIota Phi LambdaSigma Gamma RhoZeta Phi BetaGroove Phi GrooveMen Of God Christian FraternityAlpha Phi AlphaIota Phi ThetaKappa Alpha PsiOmega Psi PhiPhi Beta SigmaPhi Delta PsiPi Psi
Ok, you’re going to have to explain this one… My sorority (not the proudest decision of my life) isn’t on there – I’m not sure if that is good or bad:)
AFN,those are all ‘Black Only’ organizations.
Patrice O’Neil, about the only public figure without an agenda – a black comic – sets it straight.
You have your race card waiving politicos trying to make a name for themselves or ‘further their cause ‘ (by expanding their wallets).
Then you have the whippin pole whites afraid of their own shadow because OMG!!!! Its black, I’m so sorry you’re black…
Check out the transcript…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,265062,00.html
Awwww c’mon. Y’all don’t want to play now that the spotlight is shining on both sides???????
Interesting… I’ll have to read up on that when I have more time.
So now the person who called Iraqis “raghead sonsabitches” on another thread now presumes to lecture the rest of us about racism? Save yourself the trouble: no one cares what you think. Racist.
By the way, what you’re describing as “racism” is actually racial “prejudice.” “Racism” requires that one have the ability to practice DISCRIMINATION.
Oh, FYI, the above comment is directed to SolDevVB who, despite saying racist things, surely will deny that he’s a racist. After all, no one ever is.
I think the public is smart enough to monitor who we listen to. I stopped listening to Imus years ago because he talks trash like this all the time. He tries to balance it by doing some good things with ‘The Ranch’ for kids with cancer.
The lyrics of rap, both black and white, are awful and if you listen the words stay in your mind. This is what happens – they then come out in everyday conversation.
It is refreshing to note that Country is the only genre of music that is currently increasing their sales. Hip Hop and Rap are losing sales daily. What do you think is the reason?
Could it be because the lyrics of country for the most part promote family, friends and apple pie?
Just MOHO.
Contraire, you are quite racist. As I call for equal treatment for those uttering slanderous remarks, you go after only one race. Wouldn’t that be racism? Differing ones point of view based solely on race?
Yup. If calling an Islamic terrorist a raghead is racist then I am 100% racist. They may be your friends, but not mine. When they are blowing themselves and women children up… you defend them?
When they are blowing themselves and women children up… you defend them?Posted by: SolDevVB | April 10, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Timothy McVeigh, anyone? Remember that guy?
Good call grm
Good reach Tom, thousands of ragheads willing to strap on the C4 and you found ONE American. Bravisimo. Don’t strain your arm patting yourself on the back.
When people who use racial slurs call CF2K racist for attitudes they impute to him, CF2K, well, stares their bad faith and racist denial right in the face.
The “racism = a double-standard argument” and “if you don’t criticize black folks then YOU’RE the racist” is the first line of defense for racists like SolDevVB. It conveniently allows him to ignore oh, 400 years of American racism by pretending that prejudicial attitudes are the same as the ability to enforce racist discrimination and exclusion.
Tom, I don’t remember anyone defending what Tim McVeigh did other than the lunatic fringe.
Sol,
Every month, some American goes off the deep end, grabs an armful of guns and a backpack full of ammo, and starts shooting everyone in sight. Then said perpetrator commits suicide.
McVeigh doesn’t have a monopoly on white-guy violence and terror. He just comes to mind because it’s almost the anniversary of his horrific attack.
other than the lunatic fringe.Posted by: Republican | April 10, 2007 at 11:53 AM
I think a couple of them post here. :)
And though Ian Santiago might object, SolDevVB’s repeated use of the above racial slur has inspired CF2K to crown SolDevVB as the WeBlog’s Resident Racist!
So, when CF2K or anyone else wants to know what racists think about some particular issue, SolDevVB is now the WeBlog’s go-to guy!
Congratulations, SolDevVB. We all wish we could say that you’re in a class by yourself.
Ok, so 400 years of slavery – wait, how many years ago was that – never mind. That, CF feels, allows one race to say and do as they please, while another race is taken to task at every utterance of anything remotely contrived as racist.
So please explain then, the double standard is endorsed by CF2K then? What exactly is you are saying then?
The Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians, they get a free pass too. The Irish were oppressed when they migrated to America. FREE PASS…. Anyone else CF2K?
We? Ya got a mouse in your pocket? Who the hell are you to be crowning anyone anyway hero?
By the way CF, you seem to be using one of Clark’s old ploys. You still haven’t defended your stance, only tried to throw labels.
So why is it so horrific for Imus to say nappy headed ho, but Patrice O’Neil says it and nothing is said?
Do yo have ground to stand on, or do you just prefer to throw labels?
Tom,Your point???
African Violence Unnoticed in the Westhttp://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=12805
Every day 36,000 women in the Russian Federation are beaten by their husbands or partners.http://www.amnesty.org/russia/womens_day.html
Be vigilant about rising violence in South Americahttp://www.sptimes.com/News/062001/Opinion/Be_vigilant_about_ris.shtml
Fox urges end to Mexico violencehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3937421.stm
Sol,
Other people’s countries, other people’s problems. I’m not the one who advocates sending our kids around the planet solving other people’s crap for them.
Tom,Point taken.
Ok, your words – “Every month, some American goes off the deep end, grabs an armful of guns and a backpack full of ammo, and starts shooting everyone in sight.” – I left off your last setance – that sniper guy who shot from his trunk didn’t pop himself…
But then you also say – “McVeigh doesn’t have a monopoly on white-guy violence and terror.” – It’s not just white guys goin nuts. Ever hear about drive bys? Gang violence?
To address violence in America – terroristic approaches anyway – as white-guy violence is pretty short sighted.
When religious zealots are killing people, there is not a word fitting them. Nothing disgusting enough. Raghead – read Muslim extremist – is being pretty generous. If you and CF want to defend them and make it all PC, more power to you :->
Now Blog Racist wants to call out CF2K for using naughty names that hurt his feelings?
Get real, Blog Racist. Clean up your language. And try to outgrow the self-righteous victim mentality.
I’m not defending any extremists. If they pick up a weapon and start killing people, they deserve to be killed. The End. What I was pointing out is that it’s not just a Muslim issue. We have plenty of extremist murders right here at home, and little is being done to address the root causes.
Point taken on my “white-guy” comment. It was lazy intellectual shorthand of a type I’m usually not guilty of.
You said “that sniper guy who shot from his trunk didn’t pop himself…” Not all terrorists commit suicide, very true. That doesn’t alter my point.
CF,So then it sounds like you had no point to begin with. Just more drivel.
Tom,Then it seems like it comes down to scale. When we first went into Iraq, most of the folks we were fighting were wearing uniforms and standing by military equipment. Easy to take care of and we did.
Now that they are in ‘civies’ and blending in, harder to deal with. Our boys and girls in the ’sand box’ are doing the best they can and having some (debatable) success. But again I turn to scale. Lots more of them in a confined space. Easier to target.
When you get to the whack jobs here, they are generally in ones or twos. Except for the few times kids banded together and held schools hostage. Trying to pick one or two from millions becomes quite impossible doesn’t it?
Back to the point of the blog, why is it such a media uproar for a white person to say what black people have been saying for years? You have to admit nappy headed s quite old.
Back to the point of the blog, why is it such a media uproar for a white person to say what black people have been saying for years? You have to admit nappy headed s quite old.
Thank God he didn’t call them articulate.
Jessie Jackson is a racist, and an opportunist who took advantage of MLK’s death and who has been very disrespectful towards Jews.
Al Sharpton is a racist and a liar who made up the Tawana Brawley garbage.
Imus? He is stupid. He should understand the double standard by now.
Maybe it’s the constitutional lawyer in me, and I’m not being snarky, as we largely agree on this one. But – you wrote:
“Why does Imus even still have a job on a major network that broadcasts over PUBLICLY OWNED radio frequencies?”
Don’t get me wrong; I’d be the first to fire him if he worked for me. But if the 1st amendment means anything, it means that government may not censor or restrict speech because of its point of view, no matter how outragous or idiotic. Are you advocating that Imus be denied access to the airwaves because of his point of view?
If so, how does that square with our 1st Am. commitment? And just who is to decide what points of view are acceptable?
Maybe it’s the constitutional lawyer in me, and I’m not being snarky, as we largely agree on this one. But – you wrote:
“Why does Imus even still have a job on a major network that broadcasts over PUBLICLY OWNED radio frequencies?”
Don’t get me wrong; I’d be the first to fire him if he worked for me. But if the 1st amendment means anything, it means that government may not censor or restrict speech because of its point of view, no matter how outragous or idiotic. Are you advocating that Imus be denied access to the airwaves because of his point of view?
If so, how does that square with our 1st Am. commitment? And just who is to decide what points of view are acceptable?
Sorry for the double post.
Good Lord, not only did I double post, but missed the person directed to.
The above question (X2!!!) is directed to CF.
Thanks, all, for being patient with me. That’s what I get for trying to write here and keep Westlaw open at the same time.
GMC70,
Good questions. My point was to distinguish between this instance of hateful speech and other ones, since the use of public airwaves does raise a question (at least for me) about the use of public resources to generate revenue for private interests through defaming select classes of persons who make up the public. It would take more argumentation on my part to flesh this out, and in the end, I’ll probably concede that the public good of open discourse outweighs the harms associated with the use of racist stereotypes and character defamnation.
Frankly, I think responsibility in this case devolves to the networks to police themselves, and to the public to police the networks. I hope to see the sort of consumer pressure applied to CBS and NBC that forced out Dan Rather or, for that matter, Bill Maher.
CF2K does think that certain forms of speech are probably best forbidden in broadcast discourse. Based on his discussions with various African-American folks on this issue, he’s not certain Imus rises to the level of censorship. But he does think Imus merits firing, and that CBS and NBC would be well-advised to do so.
“. . . when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading ‘white’ and ‘colored’; when your first name becomes ‘nigger’ and your middle name becomes ‘boy’ (however old you are) and your last name becomes ‘John’– then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait.”
“Letter from Birmingham Jail” Martin Luther King, Jr.
So now somebody is going to say that King was “racist” because he used the word “nigger.”
Can you see how stupid that is?
Perhaps not . . .
The difference in that situation would be the context. He wasn’t calling someone the n-word, he was talking about being called the n-word.
Exactly, AFN.
Power is an essential component of racism.
If one doesn’t have power, one can be guilty of discrimination but they can’t be guilty of racism.
This is an excellent column by Jemele Hill from ESPN.
Ms. Hill is a black woman and has an excellent perspective on the Imus incident. You may not agree with her, but she makes some very, very valid points.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hi...
AFN,
Indeed. And in this context, Imus was CALLING the young women of Rutgers “nappy headed ho’s.”
Sounds like a racial slur to me.
What is ironic is that the stereotype Imus evoked was created by blacks. He just borrowed it. That’s all. Man he stepped on so many toes with that one remark, I think it really was the funniest thing on television in years. Right there it was; what men really think. I know we’re supposed to be ashamed of it, but thank you Imus. There’s nothing for us to watch in woman’s basketball anyway but breast flop.
Thanks, Door King.
You have done far more to damage the right-wing position than I could ever do.
Now you think about what you wrote the next time the women of America overwhelmingly send a Democratic candidate to elected office.
“If one doesn’t have power, one can be guilty of discrimination but they can’t be guilty of racism.”
Capn: I hate to pick nits, but 1) I don’t think that’s what AFN said, and 2) the premise of your statement noted above is BS.
ANYONE can both be racist and discriminate. In fact, one may be a racist and NOT discriminate. Racism is a mindset, an attitude, a worldview. Discrimination is an act, presumably in conformance with that worldview.
And “power” is entirely relative. Whether one has “power” depends entirely on the circumstances; one may have power in one circumstance and not in others. And one may be racist and have no power, at least where it matters in ability to discriminate.
In a real sense, discrimination is what requires power, not racism. It is discrimination on the basis of race that is barred by law, on behalf of those who presumably have lesser power, be they job-seekers, home-buyers, etc.
No, the old “no power, no racism” canard is little more than cover.
Jeez, I don’t know about you, but I do not see black women as nappy headed ho’s.
I wonder how many conservatives see Condileeza Rice as a nappy headed ho.
For that matter, what if Don Imus had called Condi a nappy headed ho?
Now THAT explosion would be something to watch!
Appreciate the thoughtful response, CF. We probably agree here too.
Door King:
As a conservative, I’ll say speak for yourself, and yourself only. And please shut your mouth (figuratively, of course) when you finish prying your huge foot out of it.
Thank you, GMC…… Sincerely.
Okay, well, you might be right if you defined racism as the belief system and discrimination as the acting out the consequences of that belief system.
But still, I don’t see “no power, no racism” as a canard. I think it’s accurate.
If I am a tenant and I hate my landlord because he’s Samoan, my beliefs per se don’t harm him.
If I’m a landlord and I won’t rent my apartment to a prospective tenant because he’s Samoan, then I do harm him.
Whether you want to call it racism or discrimination is up to you, but power is certainly part of the equation as to whether harm or benefit is done.
Cap – Please do we have to take every nut that post as a conservative? Door King doesn’t speak for me and I don’t want him on my team.
So, CapnAmerica,
If I hate someone because of his race, but cannot act upon that hate, I am not a racist?
Door King-please crawl back under your rock,The smell in here got a lot worse when you slimed out from under it
I have a question…..
Why do black people refer to themselves as African-American….when probably most of them were born in the US and have only seen pictures of Africa on TV or Magazines? Not trying to be a prick…just an honest question. My ancestors may have come from Jabuti…but I dont refer to myself as Jabuti-American. Just wondering?
Describe a black person without mentioning race. Describe an Asian person without mentioning eyes. Describe a Hispanic person without mentioning skin.
Go ahead.
That is why people hyphenate.
Capn:
Littlejohn has a valid point. If I hate someone because of race (my boss, perhaps – and please understand this is arguendo only), but am in no position to do harm, I am no less a racist. I simply am in no position to act on my racism.
One could even discriminate and NOT be a racist – I imagine many supporters of affirmative action might fall here.
I don’t think the attitude / action distinction is one just of definition. What we punish are ACTS, not thoughts. One may well be a racist, but unless one acts on that racism it’s not illegal or actionable at all.
The no power/no racism excuse is simply cover. Certainly context matters, as it always does, but racism is no less despicable, no matter who expresses it.
WS I am waiting for that day when the lines become so blurred that race is not an issue except when discussing geneology.
As I have said before I have a niece and nephew who are bi-racial. They are as much white as black so what should they check on their census form. This question will be removed in the years to come.
Anyone putting any wagers on how soon someone brings a lawsuit up over this?
A person from Mexico is Mexican. A person from America is American. A person from Mars is a Marshun. It dosnt matter what color they are does it. A stupid person is still a stupid person….black or white or yellow or purple.
“Racism is no less despicable, no matter who expresses it.”
Uh, no. That’s where we differ.
When I went to China and got called a “wei guo ren” or “foreigner” (with connotations of foreign devil), I was a victim of racism.
But that expression of racism was no more than irritating. The racism that I felt was nothing compared to what a Malcolm X endured throughout his entire life.
How can any white person be so arrogant as to say that the disparaging racial comments that some blacks may express toward whites have in any way harmed them (the whites) like slavery, American apartheid and its remnants have wreaked upon the black race in the US?
Racism against whites is so muted and so minor that it can in no way be thought of as “equally despicable.”
As evidence, I would point to the two post-ers Ian Santiago and Horst Wessel who routinely posted incindiary racist hate speech on this very board until they were apparently banned.
This is the legacy of anti-black racism in the United States. It’s still with us today as is studies like this one show:Researchers, including Sendhil Mullainathan and Marianne Bertrand, at the MIT and the University of Chicago found in a 2003 study that there was widespread discrimination in the workplace against job applicants whose names were merely perceived as “sounding black”. These applicants were 50% less likely than candidates perceived as having “white-sounding names” to receive callbacks for interviews, no matter their level of previous experience. Results were stronger for higher quality résumés. The researchers view these results as strong evidence of unconscious biases rooted in the United States’ long history of discrimination (i.e. Jim Crow laws, etc.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
To say that “any racism is equally despicible” suggests that whites have equally suffered from racism, which is ludicrous.
It could only be equally despicible if had equal consequences.
And that’s why Imus’s comments are so bad. They reinforce a negative stereotype that society seeks to stamp out, a stereotype that justifies not calling back someone for an interview, say.
Racist speech is bad, period. I have been guilty of it. But just because the racist speech is uttered by a member of a minority should not excuse or mitigate it.
Remember that MLK’s vision was a color blind society. Giving someone a pass because of their race works directly against that laudable goal.
Yes, it’s bad, outlander.
But no way is it “equally bad,” given the effects of racism on blacks . . .
Capn:
We’re less far apart on this than you think, I suspect. Certainly, this society’s history is shameful. We introduced large-scale slavery, accepted it as a necessary compromise to get a working national constitution, fought a bloody war to end it and then reinstitutionalized it in the guise of Jim Crow. Only in the last 30-40 years have we begun to truly deal with the issue.
True enough.
Are the harms “equal?” In that sense, no. I’ll not pretend otherwise. And that history is still very much with us.
But judging, and hating, based upon race (or sex, or religion, or sexual orientation, etc.) is wrong. Period. By anyone. Whether one has the “power” to act on that hate is another matter, and certainly white (and male) America is still in a position of privilege. There are also those of minority heritage today who could hardly be “disadvantaged” in any significant way who trot the race card out for personal benefit, or attempt to use that history as justification or excuse for their own hate and/or acts.
But the hate is still hate, and it harms those who are the target of that hate, even if in ways that are difficult to measure.
More important, it harms the hater the most.
I hear what you’re saying, but I just can’t agree.
The two guys that beat Emmett Till with a cable and then sunk his body in the river weren’t hurt “the most.”
Emmett Till was hurt the most. They walked free most of their lives. Byron De La Beckwith beat a murder rap twice before they finally pinned the murder of Medgar Evers on him thirty some years later. James Chaney and two others were killed in 1963 for civil rights activism. One of their killers was brought to justice only in 2005.
“Hurts the haters most?” Not in these cases . . .
Point taken. And hang those bastards.
That raises the issue of “hate crimes,” but we ought perhaps to leave that for another day.
Will there be a lawsuit? Of course there will. One of the players is already claiming she is scarred for life. Now these girls are from Jersey. I hope that the lawyers are preparing now. Do these girls listen to rap? If so, I guarantee they have heard MUCH worse than nappy headed ho.
Some of these girls have grammar and speech issues. She is going to axe Imus this or that. Going on that pretense, I am betting they have called other females ho and or much worse.
So was Imus’ out of line for his statement? I believe he was. He commented on their appearance, and if you read the transcript, he added to a comment made by someone else.
I do believe he is covered under the first amendment. I believe his words were not meant as racial hate. I believe these girls have said and done worse. I believe that this is all media hype and if it had been spoken by a black commentator, this story would have gone unnoticed.
I have a hard time believing the educated people here on this blog would lie down and WELCOME a double standard. What are you apologizing for? What are you sorry for? Did any of you actively participate in segregation in the 60’s? Were any of those girls subjected to segregation?
What I hear most from the black community is the desire to be equal. To be treated equally. And here we are promoting discrimination by promoting a double standard.
So, anyone that supports Imus would be okay if someone referred to their wife or daughter as a Ho?
After all, it is not an issue.
And if you have a speech issue? That makes you a ho, too.
Didn’t call anyone a ho. If someone called my wife a ho, then they don’t know her.
I’m not 3 anymore. I don’t start fights from someone else’s stupidity.
I also don’t support double standards.
I have come to the conclusion that Imus should not be fired. He should be suspended- as he was- and told that one more time and it will be curtains for him. At first I was for firing him but my wife pointed out that he has done alot of good things too.
“AFN,
Indeed. And in this context, Imus was CALLING the young women of Rutgers “nappy headed ho’s.”
Sounds like a racial slur to me.”
I couldn’t agree more!
GMC for your 5:19 pm post I would just like to say Amen!!!
I just can’t believe how many people here just want to distract from the issue and defend Imus. Even Imus says the action was appropriate. So whatever.
This is fabricated manufactured hype. Exactly how much damage was done by calling a team of basketball players nappy headed hos? T he sound defeat on the court by Tennessee should have had a far greater impact.
It amazes me how quick some posters are to abandon the first amendment. There was no hate in that man’s voice! How many of you actually heard the sound bite? Those of you who did, do you even know the name of the man that dropped the ‘ho’ bomb right before Imus?
Do you see how contrived this is? You are being led by Sharpton and Jackson. Jackson, who called NY Hymie town. Did he step out of the public eye and surrender his post as self appointed civil rights leader? No? And why is that when that is exactly what he is calling for for Imus?
This whipping post white apologetic meme is sickening. You trash GW for walking on the constitution… and look at what you people are doing.
If you are going to promote Imus being fired, then ‘fire’ Jackson for the same crime. Fire Jackson for his out of wedlock children. Fire Ice Cube for promoting the burning of Korean or Asian convenience stores. Fire 90% of the rappers for using ho, bitch, niggah, and all the other racial slurs in their lyrics. Fire Chris Rock for his racial rants.
Don’t be bigoted. Don’t be racist. If you are going to leach onto this type of speech like the good reverend is commanding you to, then go all the way.
Blog Racist, predictably, has collapsed in a solitary orgy of victimological self-stimulation.
One more thought. Until everyone, including minorities, are held to the same standards regarding racist speech and actions, we will get no further than we are now toward a color-blind society.
CF2K still has no point….
outlander and Sol want everyone held to the same standard.
Which would make perfect sense if everyone had been held to the same standard in the past.
You can’t undo 400 years of racism in the United States by blaming its victims and claiming that you instead are just as victimized.
You can’t undo 400 years of racism in the United States by having a double standard on the freedom of speech.
Doesn’t matter Capn. If you want progress, you must have fairness, current fairness, not based on a historical perspective. Most people living now don’t care what happended 200 years ago. Otherwise, you just have resentment and you will have no progress, no matter how many laws you try to pass.
For how long are you going to apologize capn?
Capn that is one point that I have to disagree with. Minorities were treated wrongly in the past and I’m sorry about that, it was wrong. BUT that doesn’t give the great-grandson of a slave, for example, the right to treat me horribly just because of something that my great-grandfather may have done. Two wrongs don’t make a right! We will never truly be a colorblind society until everyone is held to that same standard.
African Americans can use demeaning epithets about their own race.
They earned it.
Your standard of “fairness” is a simple-minded standard that doesn’t take into account how language is really used by real people (i.e., sociolinguistics).
Men and women don’t talk the same. Old and young don’t talk the same. Rich and poor don’t talk the same.
And of course, blacks and whites don’t talk the same.
When a black says “n*ggar,” it doesn’t mean the same thing as when a white says it.
This is Sociolinguistics 101 but to you narrow thinkers, it’s a idea too complex to grasp apparently.
200 years ago?
Outlander, what the hell are you talking about? Jim Crow lasted into the 60s. Legal segregation was everywhere, including in garden spots of tolerance like Wichita.
Perhaps the story of the Dockum Drugstore lunch counter protest has escaped your notice. If so, you should google it. Legal segregation has been outlawed in the US for 40 years now, but de facto segregation is still a huge problem.
To say it’s a problem from “200 years ago” is disingenuous at best, and an outright lie at worst.
So who controls the first amendment then Capn? Who is it I charge of what we say, who said it, what the meant by it…. When do you draw the line? It was my understanding that the founding fathers drew that line for each of us to follow.
AFN,
That was the dumbest post I’ve read lately.
How has a black ever “treated you badly”? Did he clap your family in chains and sell them down the river?
By Allah, the victim myth of the poor white man is unshakable in the face of facts.
And as you can see I have no command over the English language :-> Please forgive typos.
Cap’n,
Indeed. And this is just what CF2K meant by the Right Wing Honkies and their “orgy of victimological self-stimulation.”
Jessie Jackson earned the right to call New Yorkers Hymies?
The question becomes where to draw the line. Who decides where the line is and who protects that line. I for one don’t want Jackson and Sharpton to b the holders of the first amendment. Is this something you would support GMC?
DAMN IT !!!!!
The question becomes where to draw the line. Who decides where the line is and who protects that line. I for one don’t want Jackson and Sharpton to be the holders of the first amendment. Is this something you would support Capn?
“African Americans can use demeaning epithets about their own race.”
Your right, I’m not talking about that. That would be like someone telling me that I can’t call my friend b!tch in a joking way because when said to someone in a different context that would be a mean thing to say.
“How has a black ever “treated you badly”?”
I never said that anyone has, it was an EXAMPLE! I was trying to illustrate the fact that something that happened 50 years ago to our ancestors does not excuse someone’s unfounded actions towards me. If I called that person the n-word or a nappy-headed ho (not that I would EVER call anyone these things!) then I wouldn’t blame them for coming after me specifically. But for a white person to make an unfounded racist comment about blacks or for a black person to make an unfounded racist comment about a white person is unacceptable! And of course white and black in that statement can be replaced by whatever color/race is involved.
I don’t particularly like Imus. I think he is a self-styled Liberal Redneck. He had done many good deeds, but found that deeds won’t give him a pass for misdeeds and won’t given him a pass to heaven.
His talk radio show is a Curmudgeon gone wild.
On the flip side, are we in favor of free speech and equality under the law? If you’re black and call your black sisters ‘nappy-headed ho’s’ is that permissble?
There appears to be a double standard.
IMO neither side has the right to say it, but both sides have the right to condemn it if it is considered offensive.
Doesn’t matter whether you think minorities should be treated differently based on past oppression. If you do, you will reap resentment from the majority and you will make no progress. Thus, if you want progress, you have to have current fairness and even-handed treatment that promotes unity, rather than “us against them”.
Is there a double standard? You bet.
As a result of this double standard, black folks continue to have shorter lifespans and a greater likelihood of remaining in lower income brackets.
So long as that double standard continues to exist, everyone should expect the linguistic one to as well.
Here’s a relevant post from Steve Gilliard’s site that makes this point better than I have:
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http://www.thenewsblog.net
“Imus has indicated that he will make programming changes in the aftermath of his sexist and racist comments about the Rutgers women basketball players.
Assuming that he is not taken off the air, I suggest that he voluntarily refrain from using blacks as the subject matter of his humor.
His on-air staff is all white, as are virtually all of his guests, so his black jokes don’t have the ‘all in the family’ context appropriate for ethnic humor.
Health and income statistics indicate that blacks have not recovered from being legally confined to the bottom of our society, so these jokes have the ugly and cowardly aspect of kicking someone who is down.
Mr. Imus prides himself on being an ‘equal opportunity bigot’, so given the numerous other ethnic groups for him to lampoon, the black material should scarcely be missed.”
- posted by Watson
CF2K, that’s great and much better than I could ever put it.
I don’t particularly give a rat’s fat patootie what Imus says about anyone or anything. He’s a drone-on-and-on blowhard.
People on this thread have been trying to frame this as a battle for Imus’ (and by extension, everyone else’s) free speech rights, vs the “right” of people not to be offended. Nowhere that I’ve seen has anyone made any reference to his employers – CBS and MSNBC – and *their* free speech and property rights.
Imus can say whatever the hell he wants about anyone he chooses. But CBS and MSNBC don’t have to give him a platform for his speech. Worse, they’re *paying* him for his speech. If they think that’s the speech they want to pay for, that’s too bad for them, because most Americans will find different channels. Most advertisers are already pulling their ads. Good for them.
Imus is a bore, but this topic is not. This incident seems to be precedence setting. The question seems to be who is authorized to say what and in what forum and who is in charge of enforcing these rules.
It seemed to me to be summed up in the first amendment, but the good reverends seem to know better. And there seem to be so many willing to be led by the nose by two… What exactly are they? Opportunists? Why would you lay down your civil rights to two purported civil rights leaders?
Imus is an idiot. Don’t listen to him, don’t plan to. he can say whatever he wants, but must bear the responsibility and the financial cost. Just as the Dixie Chicks, Al Sharpton, etc. People who object to the same saying what they want, have a right to boycott that speaker/entertainer if they wish. The first amendment protects from governmental interference with speech. Paid entertainers/shockjocks/idiots whatever, have no constitutional right to say what they want without being fired. Period.That being said, I think this is a tempest in a teapot. Worse things have been said by comics/entertainers/talking heads of all races for years. They don’t get a bye from me because of their own geneology/history.I once told the Sherriff of Savannah Georgia it was no wonder they had race riots after treating people the way they did. I once told a black bigot that I don;t give a rats ass about how or how not you ancestors got here (by the way neither did he since he hadn;t done a bit of geneology) I didnt do it, my ancestors didn;t do it (I DID do geneology) so I can only judge you how you treat others. Act like an asshole, your an asshole. Hate white people, hate yourself. You will never advance till you quit hating and blaming other people for your problem. By the way, he was the son of a lawyer and a graduate of a major University.
Good point LJ. So the first amendment argument is tabled as the gov’t is not trying to intervene. So now it comes down to the owner (General Electric) of Imus’ show and the sponsors.
The question is, will they bow to the likes of Sharpton and Jackson? Will they empower two self appointed civil rights leaders and opportunists to control what is being broadcast? What will be the repercussions because of that?
PS, I have done my genealogy too to the point of finding the cemetery for my ancestral clan in Ireland. Got to tell you, a graveyard full of headstones bearing your last name is a little eerie.
If General Electric decides to fire his ass, that’s their business. If the sponsors decide that it is in their best business interests to no longer sponsor the show, that’s theirs. Sharpton and Jackson are opportunists, but that’s their privilidge. Everyone who disagrees with them can and should be vocal about it. That’s thewonder of a free country. Unlike others, where disagreement lands a bullet inyour chest, or polliium in your stew.
LJ,I guess I was using this forum to do the same. And God bless the freedoms that we have.
Should sharpton be heading this little crusade?
1987: Sharpton spreads the incendiary Tawana Brawley hoax, insisting heatedly that a 15-year-old black girl was abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a group of white men. He singles out Steve Pagones, a young prosecutor. Pagones is wholly innocent — the crime never occurred — but Sharpton taunts him: “If we’re lying, sue us, so we can . . . prove you did it.” Pagones does sue, and eventually wins a $345,000 verdict for defamation. To this day, Sharpton refuses to recant his unspeakable slander or to apologize for his role in the odious affair.1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn’s Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin’s funeral he rails against the “diamond merchants” — code for Jews — with “the blood of innocent babies” on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, “No justice, no peace.” A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting “Kill the Jews!” and stabbed to death.1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy’s Fashion Mart, Freddy’s white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. “We will not stand by,” he warns malignantly, “and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.” Sharpton’s National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy’s are spat on and cursed as “traitors” and “Uncle Toms.” Some protesters shout, “Burn down the Jew store!” and simulate striking a match. “We’re going to see that this cracker suffers,” says Sharpton’s colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy’s, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.
So the Blog Racist hates Al Sharpton. Imagine that.
As for me, Al Sharpton has no corner on righteousness, and has much to account for, but if he wants to run around the country spouting off, he has evey right to do so. I have a right to not listen, or support those who give him a platform. Such is the notion of a free country.
Why is it, LJ, that the MSM is so quick to pile on Imus and give Sharpton a pass on the crap he has pulled? Imus’ remarks might have pulled a tear or two from the basketball players’ eyes, but Sharpton is responsible for DEATH of several people.
Why does Sharpton get a pass? Why isn’t his past racism brought into light?
SolDevVB or whatever your gab happy handle is; You seem to THINK you have all the answers with the garbage you’re spewing. Let me tell you straight out. I don’t care what you think or what you know, know this. If any of you white folk think’s it funny to call my daughter a “HO” I WILL come after you with every thing I have. To use as an excuse Blacks calling each other the n-word so we should be able also, is laughable at best. If you saw someone run a stop sign does that give you reason to run it too? Of course not. You’re just as bad as Imus. You accuse those girls of bad grammer like you are educated in grammer speak. I heard those girls speak and in no way was their grammer flawed. Tell us ole Great WHITE how bad is their grammer? Since you assume you are the enlightened one, Let’s see how enlightened you’d be when your FACE gets mashed in for exercizing your first amendment rights. Talk is cheap. Your are real cheap to hide behind the first amendment while spewing your hate filled rants! Sprew all you want! Just watch your back when you do!!!
btw Cripple Creek, it’s grammar not grammer, but we get your drift. :)
CC:I don’t THINK I have any answers. I think you have a reading comprehension problem. What I have done is ask questions. Try re-reading the posts.
Has anyone here said that calling anyone else a ho is funny? I think the only one who has is Patrice O’Neil – a black comedian. So why don’t you fly out to New York and, to use your own words “Mash his face in”
The garbage I am spewing, as you so eloquently put it, is fact. Check the dates on Rev Sharpton and his actions. Check the 2006 court case where Rev Jackson admits to strong arm extortion tactics with the Rainbow Coalition.
Am I educated in grammer speak? No, I am –somewhat – educated in the English language.
Who is hiding behind anything? The first amendment is guaranteed in the constitution. The same freedom you are using to post here. Does that make you, CC, weak for using it?
Come after me with all you’ve got. Put your money where your mouth is. Go after the rap singers, the comedians, the movies, all the media that use the derogatory terms with impudence. Where is your rage with them CC? Why are you not smashing THEIR faces in?
As an aside, by relating black people calling each other the ‘n’ word and running a stop sign, you have proved my point; wrong is wrong.
Well. Imus’s advertisers are peeling away like old paint, and MSNBC has pulled the plug. Good.
Let’s see how long it takes CBS and NBC radio to smell the coffee.
Imus needs to go.
“If any of you white folk think’s it funny to call my daughter a “HO” I WILL come after you with every thing I have.”
Dear Mr. Hater:
You’re daughter is a ho. Now what?
Below is a list of other GE assets. Will they follow suit and drop all the other derogatory language abusers?
Why Imus? I don’t really care if he stays or goes, but what kind of precedent is this setting? And will the same rule apply to everyone????
• NBC Universal (NBC merged with non-music entertainment assets of Vivendi Universal – GE has 80% controlling share)o NBC – National Broadcasting Company• NBC radio network (managed by Westwood One)• The NBC Network Television• WNBC 4 – New York• KNBC 4 – Los Angeles• WMAQ 5 – Chicago• KYW 3 – Philadelphia• WCAU 10 – Philadelphia• KNTV 11 – San Jose/San Francisco• KXAS 5 – Dallas/Fort Worth²• WRC 4 – Washington• WTVJ 6 – Miami• KNSD 39 (cable 7) – San Diego²• WVIT 30 – Hartford• NBC Entertainment• NBC Films• NBC News• NBC Sports• NBC Studioso NBC Universal Sports & Olympicso NBC Universal Television• NBC Universal Television Studio• NBC Universal Television Distribution• NBC Universal International Televisiono EMKA, Ltd.o NBC Universal Digital Mediao NBC Universal Cable• A&E Television Networks¹:• A&E• The Biography Channel• The History Channel• History Channel International• The History Channel en Español• Military History Channel• Crime & Investigation Network• Bravo• Chiller (horror-themed cable channel launching March 1st, 2007) [1]• CNBC (co-owned with Dow Jones)• CNBC World (co-owned with Dow Jones)• MSNBC (co-owned with Microsoft)• NBC WeatherPlus• mun2• Sci Fi Channel¹• ShopNBC• The Sundance Channel¹• Sleuth• USA Network• Universal HD• NBC Universal Global Networks• LAPTV (Latin America) – co-owned with Paramount Pictures (Viacom), Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (co-owned by Sony Corp of America and Comcast) and 20th Century Fox (News Corporation);• Telecine (Brazil) – co-owned with Globosat Canais, Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks (Viacom), MGM and 20th Century Fox Film Corporation;• Universal Channel Latin America (except Brazil, distributed by Fox Latin American Channel);• Universal Channel Brazil (co-owned with Globosat Canais);• Sci Fi Channel Latin America, distributed by Fox Latin American Channel);• NBC Universal Global Networks España.o Telemundo• KVEA/KWHY – Los Angeles• WNJU – New York• WSCV – Miami• KTMD – Houston• WSNS – Chicago• KXTX – Dallas/Fort Worth• KVDA – San Antonio• KSTS – San Jose/San Francisco• KTAZ – Phoenix• KBLR – Las Vegas• KNSO – Fresno• KMAS – Denver• WNEU – Boston/Merrimack• KHRR – Tucson• WKAQ – Puerto Ricoo TiVo¹o Universal Studios• Universal Pictures• Focus Features• Rogue Pictures• Working Title Films• Universal Studios Licensing• Universal Animation Studios• Universal Interactive• Universal Pictures International• Universal Home Entertainment• Universal Home Entertainment Productions• United International Pictures (co-owned with Paramount Pictures/Viacom);• Universal Operations Group• Universal Production Studios• Universal Parks & Resortso qubo – Qubo Venture,LLC1o NBBC – National Broadband Company¹—–
Blacks will loose integrity over this if they don’t follow through and tell the Al Sharptons, Jesse Jacksons, Snoop Dogs and all other men of color that it isn’t ok to call black women these names and/or not go after them just as viguously as they went after Imus.
No matter how they try to justify it, it is as wrong for them as it is for Imus. This is exactly how a free market should work. Advertisers received enough dissatisfaction from their consumers that they pulled their advertising on Imus.
Many whites were among those expressing that outrage. Now it is time for the black race to say ‘enough’ to those who talk trash about their own race.
What’s funny about all this is no matter what Imus supporters say he’s on his way out! No matter how the majority whines about the so-called double standard Imus is out the door! It floors me that many of you think it’s all right for Imus to say what he said without suffering the consequences of his actions. That is pure nonsence. Everyone is alotted the first amendment. Certainly, Don Imus has that right. However, Mr. Imus doesn’t have the right to hold a job afforded him by CBS and or MSNBC! To hold a job is a privilege not a right. You can disagree about what is happening to Imus. That is your right. But to think that Imus has a right to employment JUST because he was doing what RAPPERS do is ludicrous! Imus is nearly 3 times as the age as most rappers. That alone is enough to hold him to a higher standard than those low lifes! It’s not that he called the mostly black Rutgers teammates nappy-headed, it’s the saying they are Hos” that makes me mad! I’m sorry that Imus In The Morning is going by the wayside! In many respects he is funny and incitefull and his show was a good medium! However, when he enigrates my daughters, my mother, nieces and friend who are female…calling them “Hos” that is one step too many over the line!!!!
“However, Mr. Imus doesn’t have the right to hold a job afforded him by CBS and or MSNBC!”
That sounds very Right Thinking and anti-union. Good for you for seeing the light!
I wonder what will replace that slot in the morning? MSNBC re-runs?
There’s a window for Tavis Smiley to jump in on the vacant spot.
(watches the Liberals skin crawl at the proposal)
You know a ho(e) used to be that thing you used to hoe the potatoes in the garden. When did it become what is means now? Who coined that word? To blast Imus and give a free pass to idiots like Snoop Dog and Ludicrous is asinine. They are grown men. Are there really degrees of ‘grown up’.?
I repeat that if blacks continue to give a pass to rappers and hip hoppers for calling their daughters, sisters and moms names that are as bad or even worse, then this outrage was just an excuse to make some media noise by men like Jackson and Sharpton and had no basis in real outrage.
What’s that phrase ksgrm? You know, the one the Liberal Democrats use all the time? Perhaps it applies to the outrage when displaying the double standard. Oh yeah, I remember now…
Hypocrisy is thy name…
Republican, You got that right.
“If any of you white folk think’s it funny to call my daughter a “HO” I WILL come after you with every thing I have. To use as an excuse Blacks calling each other the n-word so we should be able also, is laughable at best.”
Posted by: Cripple Creek | April 11, 2007 at 04:54 PM
CC I don’t care if someone is white, black, green or purple, a disrespectful name is just that. By encouraging young black men to think it is ok to do this you are teaching them to disrespect black women. I see it in the society we live in. I am white but I have heard Bill Cosby no less, say this same thing and he was lambasted for it. He just may be on to something. This Imus thing could turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
If I may make a request… don’t let this story die with Imus. Imus is a pawn in this and has been taken off the board. The challenge still remains.
Even if you take away the rappers, look at the atrocities Sharpton and Jackson committed and still perpetrate today. Don’t allow these opportunist charlatans to continue to propagate this false engineered racism.
Keep this in the forefront and demand equal and FAIR treatment for one and all that choose this abhorrent language.
This is a really long thread.I didnt catch it being said, previously —-Don Imus is a liberal Democrat!That needed to be said.
Econ101,
Imus is a tool. He doesn’t represent my views or those of anyone I know. Question: how many black folks does he ever have on his show?
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Dear Ignorant White Crybaby Republicans (who ape their Fuhrer Michelle Malkin in decrying the supposed African-American “double standard”),
Here’s a little tidbit for you, back from 2005:
“…an anti-rap movement … began in March [2005], soon after shots were fired by the rival entourages of 50 Cent and the Game outside a New York radio station. Al Sharpton demanded that the Federal Communications Commission ban violent rappers from radio and television, and he launched a boycott against Universal Music Group, which he accused of “peddling racist and misogynistic black stereotypes” through rap music. Sharpton expressed special concern about white perceptions of African Americans. Rappers and their corporate supporters “make it easy for black culture to be dismissed by the majority,” he said, and the large white fan base “has learned through rap images to identify black male culture with a culture of violence.”
Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow/PUSH Coalition signed on to the boycott….”
http://www.rjgeib.com/biography/ventura/geib-great-art-challenge/rap-jazz.htm
Y’all need to get a new script. Or maybe you’ll just go on making stuff up to justify your smug racism.
fleetwood said (predictably),
“Dear Mr. Hater:You’re daughter is a ho. Now what?”
Well. CF2K thinks fleetwood is asking, no, BEGGING, to be nominated as Blog Racist #2, since seeing SolDevVB ascend to the racist throne made him positively green with envy.
So be it: fleetwood = Blog Racist #2.
Smug racism – hmmm
“1987: Sharpton spreads the incendiary Tawana Brawley hoax, insisting heatedly that a 15-year-old black girl was abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a group of white men. He singles out Steve Pagones, a young prosecutor. Pagones is wholly innocent — the crime never occurred — but Sharpton taunts him: “If we’re lying, sue us, so we can . . . prove you did it.” Pagones does sue, and eventually wins a $345,000 verdict for defamation. To this day, Sharpton refuses to recant his unspeakable slander or to apologize for his role in the odious affair.”
“1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn’s Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin’s funeral he rails against the “diamond merchants” — code for Jews — with “the blood of innocent babies” on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, “No justice, no peace.” A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting “Kill the Jews!” and stabbed to death.”
Doesn’t change the fact he IS a liberal Democrat.You want to lump all Christians and Conservatives together.Time to get back some of your own.
What was that term, oh yeah “smug racism…”
1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy’s Fashion Mart, Freddy’s white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. “We will not stand by,” he warns malignantly, “and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.” Sharpton’s National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy’s are spat on and cursed as “traitors” and “Uncle Toms.” Some protesters shout, “Burn down the Jew store!” and simulate striking a match. “We’re going to see that this cracker suffers,” says Sharpton’s colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy’s, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.
Ah yes, we were discussing “Smug racism.”
Racism is very much a problem within the Democrat Party.It always has been.Say, what does KKR Robert Byrd have to say about all of this?
If I were a liberal I’d be trying to disassociate myself with Imus too. Like MSNBC and CBS are trying to do, after cultivating him and his tired act all these years. His insult-fest was the “in” show for liberal politicians and newspeople to appear on.
Imus slipped up this time and insulted folks who aren’t public figures. And he did it when someone was actually tuned in to his show. Now MSNBC andCBS are throwing him under the bus in an attempt to avoid the very real questions that should be asked of their own sorry butts.
Let’s see, “Smug racism”
Once again, the press is giving a Democrat Senator a “pass” on racially insensitive conduct. If you are unfamiliar with the controversy, click here. We, the people, must not let Senator Kennedy skate.
email to CORE (the Congress of Racial Equality). It is time for them to prove they can be effective, and writing to Republicans in Congress is not the answer to this issue. Of course, please feel free to send this email to any group that is in a position to help on this issue.
2) Compose an email demanding that Senator Kennedy be held responsible for his conduct. If you are short on time, a sample email follows:
The (partial( email form letter from C.O.R.E.
Dear Mr. Innis,
I am writing to you because I am OUTRAGED by Senator Ted Kennedy’s insensitive public comments on Friday — specifically, his calling well-qualified minority judges such as Janice Rogers Brown and Miguel Estrada, African-American and Hispanic respectively, “Neanderthals”. Though Senator Kennedy’s comments were unquestionably insensitive, he refuses to apologize — nor is the “free press” forcing him to apologize. In fact, it appears that they are once again burying a story merely because pursuing it would hurt a popular Democrat.
If a Republican had made the same comment, his congressional office would have been empty by 12:00pm yesterday afternoon — and Senators like Ted Kennedy would be calling for blood (and for heads to roll)…
Don’t feel bad for Imus though. Sirius is sure to be waiting in the wings, check in hand.
“Dear Mr. Hater: You’re daughter is a ho. Now what?”
Fleetwood, that was just WRONG, discusting, and uncalled for.
Ksgrm, I always assumed that ho evolved from whore but I have no clue, never looked up the etimology of the word (sp?).
Mr. KIA,
Nope. Imus voted Bush in 2000, Kerry in 2004. He’s an INDEPENDENT.
Here’s a tidbit:
“In 2004, the crusty curmudgeon even proclaimed his outright support for the senator from Massachusetts during his ill- fated presidential bid.
Yet, for some reason, many people still view him as leaning conservative, or at least as an “independent”. How in the world did that happen?”
http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2006/11/don-imus-john-kerry-msnbc.html
Right back in your fat, white face, Mr. KIA.
“Stop it you are going to ruin this”This being the Democrats taking the House.Doesn’t sound like an Independent to me.I will leave your face, weight and color out of this less I get sent to rehab.
mmm republican a little defensive today?
Oops! I meant disgusting, not “discusting.”
Just calling the third person talking CF2K on his remark “Smug racist.”
You see when Imus makes a racist remarks, he gets fired. When Sharpton makes racist remarks, people die.
Republican the Racist Apologist,
I see from World Net Daily that Senator Kennedy’s use of “Neanderthal” in conjunction with Janice Rogers Brown, Miguel Estrada, Patricia Owen, and Carolyn Kuhl, is being spun as a racial slur. Has been for some time, in fact.
That’s a stretch–not that CF2K doubts that Republican will always reliably twist people’s words to get a conviction. By omitting Priscilla Owen and Carolyn Kuhl, both of whom are white, from those denenounced by Kennedy as “Neanderthals” for their judicial philosophy, white racists like Republican can pretend that Kennedy’s characterization was racial rather than judicial and ideological.
http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2003_11_16_archive.html
Yes CF2K, that entry was bait for you to take to you show how you would ignore Al Sharpton’s racism. How did that hook taste? :)
“So what might we take from this experience? In the future, we should no longer allow Imus to get away with being labeled a “fiercely independent” host, or whatever other inaccurate tag the ever- fawning mainstream media might like to apply to him.
Instead, let’s call him what he really is: a Democrat- supporting liberal who sucks up to elitists like John Kerry.”
Which part of this do conservatives have to claim?
CF when CC said that whites didn’t have the right to say something to his daughter that other blacks did I had to think of all the young black men that are dying. Shooting each other. Beating each other to death. I have two black friends who are the mother of sons, one has one and the other has five. I have heard the stories of how they have been targeted by police for DWB. It’s sad.
How do we stop the carnage? One of them told me it’s because young black men have very few heros in black men to pattern themselves after. Her son is in a federal prision in Denver for selling drugs to close to a gradeschool and possessing a gun there also. By the way his father was in the same prison. He hadn’t seen him for 12 years. What a place for a family reunion!
I take no pleasure in what was said about the Rutgers BB team. I am very sad that blacks are killing each other. It’s not right for anyone to treat another human being like that.
Start teaching respect now. Blacks don’t have a market on this kind of behavior but it seems to be more prevalent in black neighborhoods.
“I would like to invite you all to our next gang meeting, on Monday, April 9th at 7:00 p.m., at Believers Tabernacle, located at 2000 S. Hillside. That’s on the corner of Hillside & Mt. Vernon. We will be meeting in the gym.” The topic will be gangs and ways to stop kids from getting involved in them.
This is an exerpt from a city newsletter I receive regularly. I try to stay active in the community. There is so much we can do but we have to blur the color lines and stop excepting bad behavior from anyone.
Everyone is welcome to come to this meeting. Get involved. Make a difference.
Republican,
Don Imus has been making racist remarks on his show for decades. Decades. Everbody winked and looked the other way until this latest episode.
As for Reverend Sharpton and the use of racial stereotypes, well, DUH. He shouldn’t use anti-Semitic language (nor should Reverend Jackson, for that matter), though to blame him for the violence in 1991 or 1995 is way, way off the mark. Aren’t you Right Wingers all about the freedom of choice of individuals? Nobody MAKES anybody do anything, and condemning Sharpton for ‘inciting’ others to violence ain’t gonna cut it with me. You can’t say (figuratively) on the one hand that “guns don’t kill people, people kill people,” while also saying that Al Sharpton is responsible for the actions others go on to do after his (debatable) ‘incitements.’
But the point isn’t that he gets a pass: the point, rather, is that he DOESN’T get any sort of a pass from the powers that be, whereas Imus has and would continue to do so were it not for consumer boycotting.
CF2K,
Or maybe you’ll just go on making stuff up to justify your smug racism. :)
Right or wrong Sharpton and Jackson have nominated themselves as the spokespeople for the black race. Don’t you think there is that faction that believes they are and therefore the masses should follow their lead?
Republican,
By your lack of an answer I see that you have no answer.
ksgrm,
Sure. There was an interesting controversy last year when Al Shaprton demanded an apology from Aaron McGruder for an episode of “The Boondocks” entitled “Return of the King,” in which MLK comes back from the grave and utters the “n-word.”
“It shows King emerging from a coma and using the n-word in an angry speech venting his frustration toward sexually explicit hip-hop videos, among other things.”
I’ll allow Steve Gilliard to give his take:
“The King show was NOT critical of King in any way. It was, however, a brutal take on our celebrity driven culture and how trivial many black people have become. It made a point that people need to reclaim their dignity and stop worrying about Diddy’s latest aquisition. In fact it lamented his absence in a very real way, an important way. In fact, McGruder showed greater fidelity to King’s message than his own family has in recent years.
We have so many people making trivial messages and making millions, yet, these people want to go after McGruder for a word we all use? That’s bullshit and it’s wrongheaded. There’s a deeper message in his work, if you want to find it.”
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2006/01/blackest-thing-youve-ever-seen-on-tv.html
Moral of the story? The self-appointment of Sharpton and Jackson isn’t unconditional and unchallenged. Near as I can tell, they don’t speak for all black folks in America, although there are surely times when they do precisely that.
“black folks” CF2K?
Isn’t that a 19th Century euphemism for the “N” word.
You are a racist CF2K and a smug one.
Republican,
If it is, then W.E.B. DuBois is a racist: his landmark 1900 work is, after all, entitled “The Souls of Black Folk.”
http://www.africawithin.com/dubois/souls_of_black_folks.htm
Maybe these folks are racists, too:
http://floridablackfolks.com/
Or these folks:
http://u.webring.com/hub?ring=blackfolkswhowri
Or this gentleman:
http://blackinformant.com/2005/07/07/why-black-folks-should-especially-be-angry-regarding-recent-terrorist-activity/
You are so colossally ignorant, Republican, that I’m beginning to wonder if you’re actually aware of how big a racist you are.
As has been documented, Imus has been saying racist and sexist things similar to this for years. I think the reason this particular incident has caused such an uproar is because the utterly sensless cruelty of it. This was a rich, powerful man with a national radio and tv show casually insulting a group of innocent young women who had just managed to reach the pinnacle of their amateur sport. These young women aren’t professional athletes, or entertainers or politicians. They’re just kids. Young student athletes. Innocent students who had just accomplished something worth celebrating. And instead Imus and his juvenile jackals chose to use ugly racially and sexually charged language to demean them. It’s not that it’s simply racist or sexist. Although given Imus’ history of such behavior, I think those aspects are bad enough to warrant outrage. But on top of of all of it, it’s just cruel and senslessly so.
I think people are right to be angered by the fact that someone in Imus’ position can be so casually cruel to innocent young athletes. That isn’t a liberal or conservative position. It’s a matter of common decency.
Given all that, I really don’t care who else uses the words Imus used. The issue at hand here is how Imus used them. If this leads to a larger debate about the usage of such terms, then that’s great. But Imus doesn’t get a pass because other people use those words too.
But CF2K, you have forgotten the Liberal Democrat’s Golden Rule: “It’s okay for Black People to say those words. It’s not okay for White People to say it.”
By your ideological definition, you are a racist when you say “Black Folks.”
Are you feeling smug now CF2K?
Republican,
Does it hurt to be that willfully obtuse?
Republican,
Wrong again. “Black folks” isn’t a racial slur. If it were, I rather doubt W.E.B. DuBois would have used it–much less any of the other folks whose links I posted. As such, it is an acceptable way to refer to those of African-American descent en masse–whether one is African American or not. Which means that you are, again, showing your ignorance.
At some point, Republican, your argumentative strategies are going to have to move beyond the usual sophomoric attempts at establishing equivalences where none exist. Let’s just say I’m not holding my breath.
I do have you to thank for the following link, which proves my point still further, and has the added benefits of a) saying what’s wrong with calling black folks “articulate,” and b) calling out Bill O’Reilly for acting like a picked-on victim of, yes, you guessed it, black folks.
http://www.slanttruth.com/those-scary-black-folks
I’m a nigger lover
Well. Looks like we’re up to three Blog Racists this evening.
CF2K has a sneaking suspicion that’s KSGolfnut, because of an earlier question posed to CF2K back in February about why he decided to get with “a black chick.”
So, let’s review:
-Blog Racist #1: SolDevVB
-Blog Racist #2: fleetwood
-Blog Racist #3: SOB
OK. Enough. CF2K’s work here is done.
Condor, I’m glad you found good use of the word “obtuse” from the Shaw Shank Redemption movie. Condor, I do find your usage of the word hebetudinous.
Your continued usage of the term “Black Folks” shows an unwillingness to acknowledge of deeply grained racism. Perhaps not knowing how to solve for inequalities in a formula says more about your responses when you rely on interrupted argument rather than logic. :)
Nice bit of trolling on SOB. But we all know he has a Typepad account and it doesn’t say foxnews.
I wonder which one of the racially conscious Liberals trolled that and invoked the “N” word.
Only a couple on tonight, you decide.
Republican hasn’t proven his point. Let him produce some evidence that ‘black folks’ has the racist connotation he says it does. Until then, he’s just a racist shouting names into the wind.
His last post borders on the incoherent. No, scratch that: it IS incoherent. Republican needs to get some sleep.
Oh, and here’s Gwen Ifill’s response to Imus’ “cleaning lady” remark. I’m not a big fan of Ifill’s, but this shows real class.
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Trash Talk RadioBy GWEN IFILLWashington
LET’S say a word about the girls. The young women with the musical names. Kia and Epiphanny and Matee and Essence. Katie and Dee Dee and Rashidat and Myia and Brittany and Heather.
The Scarlet Knights of Rutgers University had an improbable season, dropping four of their first seven games, yet ending up in the N.C.A.A. women’s basketball championship game. None of them were seniors. Five were freshmen.
In the end, they were stopped only by Tennessee’s Lady Vols, who clinched their seventh national championship by ending Rutgers’ Cinderella run last week, 59-46. That’s the kind of story we love, right? A bunch of teenagers from Newark, Cincinnati, Brooklyn and, yes, Ogden, Utah, defying expectations. It’s what explodes so many March Madness office pools.
But not, apparently, for the girls. For all their grit, hard work and courage, the Rutgers girls got branded “nappy-headed ho’s” — a shockingly concise sexual and racial insult, tossed out in a volley of male camaraderie by a group of amused, middle-aged white men. The “joke” — as delivered and later recanted — by the radio and television personality Don Imus failed one big test: it was not funny.
The serial apologies of Mr. Imus, who was suspended yesterday by both NBC News and CBS Radio for his remarks, have failed another test. The sincerity seems forced and suspect because he’s done some version of this several times before.
I know, because he apparently did it to me.
I was covering the White House for this newspaper in 1993, when Mr. Imus’s producer began calling to invite me on his radio program. I didn’t return his calls. I had my hands plenty full covering Bill Clinton.
Soon enough, the phone calls stopped. Then quizzical colleagues began asking me why Don Imus seemed to have a problem with me. I had no idea what they were talking about because I never listened to the program.
It was not until five years later, when Mr. Imus and I were both working under the NBC News umbrella — his show was being simulcast on MSNBC; I was a Capitol Hill correspondent for the network — that I discovered why people were asking those questions. It took Lars-Erik Nelson, a columnist for The New York Daily News, to finally explain what no one else had wanted to repeat.
“Isn’t The Times wonderful,” Mr. Nelson quoted Mr. Imus as saying on the radio. “It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House.”
I was taken aback but not outraged. I’d certainly been called worse and indeed jumped at the chance to use the old insult to explain to my NBC bosses why I did not want to appear on the Imus show.
I haven’t talked about this much. I’m a big girl. I have a platform. I have a voice. I’ve been working in journalism long enough that there is little danger that a radio D.J.’s juvenile slap will define or scar me. Yesterday, he began telling people he never actually called me a cleaning lady. Whatever. This is not about me.
It is about the Rutgers Scarlet Knights. That game had to be the biggest moment of their lives, and the outcome the biggest disappointment. They are not old enough, or established enough, to have built up the sort of carapace many women I know — black women in particular — develop to guard themselves against casual insult.
Why do my journalistic colleagues appear on Mr. Imus’s program? That’s for them to defend, and others to argue about. I certainly don’t know any black journalists who will. To his credit, Mr. Imus told the Rev. Al Sharpton yesterday he realizes that, this time, he went way too far.
Yes, he did. Every time a young black girl shyly approaches me for an autograph or writes or calls or stops me on the street to ask how she can become a journalist, I feel an enormous responsibility. It’s more than simply being a role model. I know I have to be a voice for them as well.
So here’s what this voice has to say for people who cannot grasp the notion of picking on people their own size: This country will only flourish once we consistently learn to applaud and encourage the young people who have to work harder just to achieve balance on the unequal playing field.
Let’s see if we can manage to build them up and reward them, rather than opting for the cheapest, easiest, most despicable shots.
Gwen Ifill is a senior correspondent for “The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer” and the moderator of “Washington Week.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/opinion/10ifill.html?pagewanted=print
Notice how CF2K post more useless quotations to hide his sin of racism.
Notice how the racist Republican can’t prove that CF2K uses racist language, while calling Gwen Ifill “useless.”
Actually, I wrote useless quotations unlike your direct usage of the nineteenth century racist remark you used – “Black Folks.”
I have a question…..
If you hold an event, gathering, contest, whatever it may be…and do so with your race or nationality in the title and make that a qualifying factor in a persons attendance or participation…
is that considered racists or prejudice? Or is that just showing pride in your heritage or background?
Door, I suppose if the invitation is inclusive or exclusive of all races attending. If it excludes – then one could argue it might be discrimination.
I doubt if it would qualify as racist. Prejudice could be a factor, but intent would have to be proved.
Isn’t it amazing how 3 words have sparked such an outrage in American media…first its whites against blacks, then it changes to Democrats against Republicans, then we move to poor vs. rich…any guess on which two sides will face off next?
Surely we can blame this all on one single person…..can’t we?
I’m kidding…if you couldn’t tell…to those of you who were offended.
Perhaps we can blame it on a single entity, Door. :)
The Canadians!….I knew it all along!
:)
which were you refering too R?
Sorry folks, Imus wasn’t dissing the girls on the Rutgers team. If you listen to the “WHOLE” commentary instead of the part that is being refered to in the media as “shocking,” it was a form of praise for the team. It could have been worded better, for sure, but it was praise and it was given in the same context that the Rutgers girls would have given to any other team.
These girls were tough and their playing displayed it. If they don’t want the “tag” put upon them then why have all of the tatoo work done? Why get in the mix and brawl with the other team?
If you will notice, in all of their appearances since the controversy, the girls are completely covered so as not to expose the body art, the “toos”, that give the impression of being rough and tough thus being refered to as “ho’s” affectionately among their peers.
We class people due to their appearance and have since the beginning of time. If you don’t want to have the “handle” put upon you, don’t dress the part!
Y’all want to know where Imus screwed up? When he apologized. That woman that called Edwards a faggot, no apology. When Sharpton called out that DA falsely, was sued, and lost $345K, no apology. When Jackson admitted under oath to using strong arm extortion tactics with the Rainbow Coalition, no apology.
If he would have just said “It was a joke, deal with it.” This would have been a non-issue. The self flagellation is what killed him. Apologizing makes you appear weak and opportunistic turds like sharpton and Jackson will swoop.
Steve, so now you’re a ho if you’re a female with a tatoo? Hmm… I’ll give you a 2 minute head start before half of the females that I know come after you.
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Let one person here defend the charlatan Sharpton. Let one of you disclaim he is an opportunistic vulture responsible for the deaths of at least nine people.
Yet you sit blithely by while this bigoted racist festering rectum of humanity destroys a man’s lively hood to FURTHER the hate in the United States.
Once you let these money whores in and dictate who will and won’t work in the public domain, hold on to your kiesters, it’ll be a bumpy ride.
I’m no lawyer, but what Imus said seems to be the definition of slander in my dictionary. The ones he has slandered may seek their pound of flesh as is their right, or make all of the floor-flushing opportunists holding stones in their hands mad, by publicly forgiving him unconditionally. It would be the biggest PR move Rutgers basketball could ever make.
The likes of the rev’s Jackson/Sharpton would like to jack-up NBC and Jesse’s salivating over the $ he’ll get for his Push Rainbow mafia from MSNBC’s HR budget to correct their employee’s “insensitivity.”
Oh, and all the time Snoop gets a pass for saying yesterday that it’s ok when he calls women the H word over the airwaves, because he’s talking about the ones in the hood who, are. -Thank you Mr. Dog for clearing that up for us.
Search iTunes for the letters HO, and see the fine list of Grammy winning “artists” who Jesse and Al have NOT boycotted or asked for record companies to fire, but Obama has done photo ops with. Ludicris, don’t you think.
Outstanding. What Imus said, I agree was slanderous. It was not the first time. If sponsors pull their ads, so be it. Free economy.
The problem lies in people extorting the situation for financial and public gain. The American people have given those two the power to control who is or is not on the airwaves.
Answer? Boycott Imus if he offends you. Boycott Jackson and Sharpton for what they have done. To be fair, put Jackson and Sharpton under the same microscope Imus was under. Let them justify their own deeds.
So now Imus is off the radio. Well good. I shall now boycott all those who recite the same crap, like rappers. Oh wait, I already do. Maybe now I shuold also boycott the companies behind them.Hmmmm.
Shame on Imus. Shame on all who degrade our women by calling them ho’s. The use of the word is pervasive in all of our media, particularly in the black entertainment community.
Shame on the racists Sharpton and Jackson. Their actions have made it clear that they are more interested in creating division than unifying the races. They should clean up their own community who is constantly using vulgar and inappropriate language in music, movies and stand up comedy.
I don’t like Imus. I believe him to be a mean spirited person, but the racists Sharpton and Jackson are despicable and do not deserve to be the spokesmen for the African-American community. They have done more to divide the races than Imus. Sharpton’s actions have lead to the death of innocent people and the married Rev. Jackson brought his pregnant girlfriend to the White House to counsel Bill Clinton during the Monica affair.
Shame on all of them.
What a crock! How about all the niggas that have hate in their rap garbage music get fired from theor record labels. All the niggas that have a problem with Imus should all move to Alaska and leave us good white folk alone. I’m so sick of hearing nigga hate krap on the music airwaves. Boycott nigga music!
Yeah, Dave, that’s not hate-filled at all…
Boycott nigga music, it’s full of disgusting lyrics much worse than Imus. Fricken nigga Rev Sharpton collects $$$$ for his BS. rants. You ever listen to some of the krap he spews, the ficken guy is racist. Send the niggas back to Afrika, let them be with their own kind, then they can see what dumb azz nigga in Afika would buy their nigga hate lyrics called rap. Leave us good white folk to be!!
Racist, can’t spell, can’t write… Yep, looks like a loser to me!
Hey Dave,
I don’t hate niggas, I’m just sick and tired of their BS. double standard. You ever listen to 50Cent, it’s freaking disgusting, 100 times more than Imus. Where was Rev Sharpton then. You see, it’s all a crock of chit! White man beds over while niggas shove it in.
RNC, you lose credibility with racist slurs.
I’m not racist but I’m sure Rev Sharpton is. Tell me then, why do the niggas have the right to fill our airwaves with their disgusting hate rap music, the crap is filled with degrading lyrics much much worse than Imus. Where was the nation wide outcry from other niggas??? Nothing, freaking silent!! This Imus scandal I’m sure has made many more whites think the niggas are scum of the earth for their double standards. You think any white father wants his daughter to be subjected to nigga rap these days. Where are the Procter & Gamble folks when that nigga rap is played next to their commercials? Freaking BS it is!!
STOP TROLLING ME YOU EFFIN IGNORANT IDIOT!!!
Hear ya go , some 50 Cent lyrics, tell me this nigga is not 100 times worse than Imus. Lets see how many from the nigga community put up a fuss!!50 CENT LYRICS
“Material Girl 2000″
If a bitch don’t like meSomethin’ wrong with the bitch (fuc.k that bitch)Why… oh why… why… you wanna fuc.k with me now?Yo Dave, that shit come with the game baby, the money, you knowthats how the shi.t work, you know what I’m sayin’they supposed to love me now babyI’m doin’ it now babyhahahaha
[Chorus]Girl, what makes you wanna fuc.k with me now?I’ve been wantin’ to fuc.k wit’ you for quite a whileIs the money makin’ you wanna fuc.k with me?The money gonna make you sell your soul
[Verse One]Whoa… if money’s gonna make me slam these hoes… then alrightWhattup Shorty, I ain’t seen you in many moonstalk to me, how’s life been treatin’ you? good I hopeyou got a smile that only a fool would forgetand a figure that’ll leave a nigga droolin’ and shitThere I was, kickin’ my game, pickin’ her brainbuggin’ ’cause a while back I met this bitch on the trainshe wasn’t feelin’ me, I pulled up, she wouldn’t talk from the whipUptown girl, she feel like thats some chickenhead shi.tbut on the sidewalk we ain’t play gameswe exchanged numbers and namesI went back to the RangeI heard her Girlfriend whisperin’ “I know that nigga, he rich”she think I got six whips ’cause me and my Man switchanyway, her name is CeCeshe said she go to BMCCpush a ‘98 328 with chrome BB’sshe said she seen me in the Onyx video on TVshe liked my part the best, man, this bitch is tryin’ to G me.
Hey idiot, if you had read any of my many previous posts on this thread, you would realize that I am against racism from any person of any color which I believe deep down there somewhere in your soul (farther than I’m willing to travel but I’m hoping that you do have a soul!) is what you are saying, but of course you’re too stupid to realize that!
I also hope that anyone reading this thread will realize that that wasn’t me by looking at the links from my nickname, I have a typepad account and the idiot doesn’t…
Don’t call me an idiot, you nigga rap luva. Where are the niggas when 50 cent is spewing his garbage? How about a nation wide Sharton push to get 50 Cent OFF the airwaves, the fukker won’t do it because he would rather shove if up the white mans azz, that’s how the prik makes his money. The rest of the dumb niggas don’t say chit, cause they think Sharpton is looking out for them, that’s BS. , Sharton is looking out for his wallet and hid fat belly.
Imus is not a rap star. Hang him
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