Attorney General Alberto Gonzales didn’t win over lawmakers with his testimony Thursday before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Most committee members, including most of the Republicans, remained skeptical of Gonzales’ claims that he couldn’t remember key details about the firing of eight U.S. attorneys and that his previous misstatements weren’t intended to mislead Congress and the public. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., told Gonzales: "The best way to put this behind us is your resignation." Gonzales disagreed. But how long can he stay on when he has lost so much credibility?
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Gonzo can’t be staying much longer.
Lindsay Graham offered a Gonzales apology, and AG dutifully repeated it, but it stood out as the most obvious example of a “Gonzo-does-not-have-a-clue” moment.
Leahy: “This is a sad day.” It was.
The best the AG can hope for is a defense of complete incompetence. That is very sad, indeed.
This is where Bush comes out with another vote of confidence. Even with the writing on the wall, this administration claims it can’t read.
Very sad when you question what is suppose to be the most truthful person in the country.
Not many do well under Kangaroo Court Conditions.
I’m sure Judge Gonzales does well in a courtroom where there are rules in conditioning questioning.
The rules in Congress in conducting questions is just short of “yo mamma” rules and “don’t talk until you speak what I want to hear.”
So yeah, anyone can not do well where the “no” rules of engagement in questions are highly skewed.
Sounds like the Attorney General didn’t do too well today.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266965,00.html
Republican, IMHO, there wasn’t good witness preparation by those in charge of it. The rules of engagement with Senate committees aren’t a secret; from other reports, some senators submitted, in advance, their proposed questions; thus, absent incompetence as Attorney General, there’s really no other explanation.
Okay, let’s take your statement that starts with,
“Republican, IMHO, there…”
Now, I’m going to interrupt you every time you try to say it because in my opinion, you are not answering my question. Then I will admonish you if you try to re-phrase it.
Just how well would you do Vaughn?
Keeping in mind I can interrupt you, any time I please.
Had I been properly prepared, and anticipating the interruptions, I think I could have done better than he. Now, this is clearly my opinion.
BTW, Republican, Appellate Court Judges have the “nasty habit” of interrupting attorneys during oral arguments before them. Not a lot of difference there, but most Appellate Court judges do let one complete a sentence once in a while.
You admitted the other day Republican that he was either going to be grilled or fried. You got your answer today. He was served with chips and a spicy salsa.
Incorrect Vaughn, I didn’t ask you if you were prepared. I didn’t ask you to give your opinion.
Now answer the question.
Let me repeat my question.Just how well would you do Vaughn?
I don’t want to hear “I think…”
BTW, no offense, but this is what you would be subjected to.
Can you imagine a question that is compound or trapping or other forms of rhetoric?
True Mike I did.
I think each of the Senators should switch places and let the AG question them. If he stays on, perhaps he will. :)
OK, Republican; I can well imagine questions such as those; have asked them from time to time.
You posed a hypothetical, and didn’t like my answer. So be it. So, to directly answer: I’d have done better.
BTW, how would you have done, given you would have had at least two weeks to prepare, had been furnished with at least some questions in advance, given the opportunity to have the documents already provided the committee to be reviewed and be briefed on what the same show.
Probably not very well, I don’t like sitting on National TV answering questions.
Republican, let me assure you it’s not easy even when not on national television. :-)
“Separately, a CBS News poll of 994 adults taken April 9-12 showed 52 percent of Americans who said they were closely following the story thought Gonzales should resign; 38 percent said he should not resign, and 10 percent said they weren’t sure. But only 41 percent of the overall poll respondents said they were tracking the story closely.”
This is a quote from VT’s Fox link. If my math is correct is only 23% thought he should resign. That is a really small number no matter how CBS tried to present it – and they did try to present it so that it looks like 58% wanted his resignation.
As I have said before ‘Bravo Gonzales for remembering to forget ala Hillary Clinton (253 time she couldn’t recall).’ When they go after Feinstein and a very real crime of misuse of power I will think they are serious. Until then it is just politics as ususal.
He’ll be gone by the end of the week.
I know Vaughn. I had to give briefings to two, three and four star Generals. Getting one’s ass handed to them when you are standing in the middle of the room because a slide sticks is not pleasant.
I can’t find where Hilary claimed she could not recall 253 times. Do you have a link?
Yeah, those slides never stick in rehearsal, do they.
Gonzo is toast.
Nominally, at least, the Attorney General should be America’s top lawyer. Gonzo is revealing himself to be the best lawyer George WMD Bush could hire.
Take a lesson from the four-start general who’ve been offered, and turned down, the proposed “War Czar” position (four years after starting this war). One of ‘em came out and said, “This Administration doesn’t know what it wants.”
For six years, maybe, dedicated conservatives gathers around George WMD Bush under the misconception that they could apply conservative principles to the governing of the United States. Now, all bets are off. Condi Rice may, just might, be intelligent, but she’s become irrelevant because Shrub’s policies just don’t ring true. Harriet Meiers might be smart enough to be a Supreme Court justice, but no one’s buying anyone who’s George WMD Bush’s first choice. The architects of the Iraq War have been wrong at every step of the way — “Mission Accomplished,” “The Insurgency is in its Last Throes,” “Six more months,” “the Surge is succeeding,” et al — but we’re supposed to believe now, at long last, they’re correct?! “Yeah, sure. They’re due.”
Gonzo didn’t even sound like a competent Legal Aid intern in trying to coordinate the lies he’s told, the conflicting (”I misspoke”) stories he’s told, the sworn testimony of people who were in the room when he did stuff he denies doing. He’s moving ever so close to the “But you have to remember, I was on acid at the time” defense. That’s about all he’s got left.
I haven’t used the Acid Defense for almost thirty years.
“This is a quote from VT’s Fox link. If my math is correct is only 23% thought he should resign.”
ksgrm, I am having a hard time following your math here.
Gonzales gave many non-answers today and I saw a story where he said “I don’t know” 74 times and that was even before he finished testifying.
Complete incompetence is his only defense and it doesn’t seem to me that that is a very good answer.
Gonzales will be gone within the month. Bush will support him up until the time he accepts his resignation.
“It is worth recalling that Mrs. Clinton was mentioned 36 times in the fraud indictment against Webster Hubbell. She also said “I don’t recall” or its equivalent 50 times in a statement to a House investigating committee that was only 42 paragraphs long.”
Bob this is proof of 50 times in the Hubbell testimony alone. I didn’t have time to do the research over the many times she lied – Travelgate, Cattle Futures, etc…
Steve, sorry you had trouble with the math. Of the 994 questioned only 228 thought he should resign. That is 23.7%. Tricky the way CBS put it isn’t it? Just feed me my news and I’ll swallow it readers fall for it every time.
Why is it neither of you touched on the Feinstein matter – that is very relevant today.
Another GOP Congressman resigned today. Why didn’t you mention that ksgrm. And wehre did 253 come from? Don’t tell me you made it up. Arre you another Republican, just makingup your own facts?
Hey Bob, get a clue. If you challenge someone, it is incumbent upon you to prove them wrong. That means you have to do your homework and do some research.
You don’t get to make statements and accuse people of making things up without backing up your accusation.
I thought elephants never forget.
Even if Republican and ksgrm and others want to pretend that there was “nothing improper” about the firings, how can anyone continue to believe that Gonzales is capable of leading the Department of Justice? He spent an entire MONTH preparing for this testimony. He’s an embarrasment.
1. He repeatedly asserted that he doesn’t know the slightest thing about anything that happened on his watch, yet he believes the firings were justified. There’s no logic in that. “I don’t know why we did anything, but I know our reasons for doing it were right.” Whaaaaa?
2. He tried to explain away his multiple “misstatements” in sworn testimony, press conferences and newspaper editorials by saying he felt a need to defend the Department and so he rushed out to make statements without reviewing his calendar or the relevant documents and records. Shouldn’t it be troubling that the Attorney General of the United States is more concerned with issuing statements defending the actions of his department than he is in finding out what he’s defending? This is the most senior figure in our nation’s criminal justice system? We’re supposed to believe that he and his subordinates are capable of impartial judgements based on evidence when he offers “excuses” that depend on the fact that he doesn’t care what he’s defending as long as he’s defending himself. See item #1 above for another variation on this transparently stupid “excuse.”
3. Perhaps most disgusting was his incredibly slimy attempt to portray criticism of him as criticism of the career attorneys who are stuck under his leadership through no fault of their own. Here’s a direct quote from his testimony: “Because, when you attack the department for being partisan, you’re really attacking the career professionals. They’re the ones, the investigators, the prosecutors, the assistant U.S. attorneys, they’re the ones doing the work.” It takes a man of uniquely small moral stature to attempt to escape criticism of his own failings as a leader by flatly stating that it’s criticsm of the very people he has damaged through his failed leadership.
But it’s not unexpected considering the Bush Administration penchant for portraying criticism of Bush as criticism of the troops.
Given everything we now know about the circumstances surrounding these firings, I think there’s substantial evidence of improper political interference in the management of the US Attorneys. And I think there’s a great deal more left to be said about the role of White House officials, including Karl Rove AND President Bush himself, in all of this. I also wouldn’t be surprised if NM Sen Domenici and Rep Wilson find themselves in a great deal more trouble soon.
But even if you don’t believe anything I’ve written in the above paragraph, how can you listen to the Attorney General of the United States say the things I’ve outlined in items 1, 2 and 3 above, and believe that this man is fit for his job. I remind you, that the US Attorney’s were fired with less evidence of being unfit for their jobs.
Alberto is trying to be a “good soldier”, a “team player”. He joined a loser team.
He testified that he didn’t instigate the movement to fire several US Attorneys. He testified that he essentially rubberstamped a list given to him.
He wrote a USA Today opinion piece saying “I have lost confidence”, in the fired attorneys. But he had nothing to base this on. That’s what his testimony today demonstrated. He was presented with a roster of US Attorneys for firing, with whose performances he was personally unfamiliar with, and signed it.
He said that he opposed the use of presidential awardings of US Attorney jobs to non-Senate-confirmed candidates. But his voice didn’t count for anything. This little trick occurred with a “midnight” inclusion of a Patriot Act renewal amendment that was submitted to a House-Senate “conference” committee that was not announced to the Senate Judiciary Committee, nor presented to the full Senate or House to debate and vote on.
Gonzales said, “I supported the amendment,” to Diane Feinstein. Later he said, repeatedly “I strongly objected appointing US Attorneys without Senate confirmation. I thought this was a bad,bad idea.” i.e. “I supported the new law, but not its implementation.”
So, Gonzales will join Rumsfeld as a non-desired gin-rummy discarded card. (Andrew Card also left.)
The deal will have to get to Karl Rove. Who came up with the idea to fire eight U.S. attorneys who by all accounts were very competent?
It’s established that US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President. That doesn’t mean they serve at the pleasure of the President’s unelected chief of political affairs.
Gonna have to make a call of fuzzy math, grm.
VT’s link was to FoxNews, if you go to the CBS poll they say the following:
“Of all Americans, 36 percent think Gonzales should resign or be removed from his post as a result of the firings; 28 percent think he should not, while just over a third is unsure.”
What made the CBS info harder to follow was that the broke their data out so that they were reporting differnetly on those who “were following the story closely” – who also were more inclined to think he should resign.
When they say “all Americans” in the above graph, they are, I presume, talking about their extrapolation from their sample data; which is permissible in “inferential” statistics.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/19/opinion/polls/main2703661.shtml
You don’t get to make statements and accuse people of making things up without backing up your accusation.
I did the research and there is no evidence that Mrs Clinton used the term “I do not recall” 253 times.
I already stated that I could not find any evidence and asked for a link. What is your problem.
BTW – Gonzalez used the “I do not recall” defense 74 times today, so what is your excuse now?
The confidence interval estimates for the overall sample above is 3.0 or plus/minus 3% points. They don’t provide margin of error info for their sub-samples. It was not well done reporting in my view. Neither by Fox or CBS, if you ask me.
Actually, Bob, it was at least 74 times – that number was reported at the Washington Post, even before AG finished testifying. It did not appear that he was on top of things occurring in his department. I think the senators (some at least) were embarrassed for AG because of how poorly Alberto did today.
BTW – Re ‘it’s okay for right wingers’ publican – you saw where I asked for a link so why are you attacking me. I checked the facts and did not find evidence of the claim so I asked for a link. Are you a hypocrite?
Note that yet again the arguments put forth by all the Bush supporters here basically boil down to this:
So what? Let’s lower our standards.
Republican defends Gonzalez by tacitly admitting Gonzalez withered under fire today. ksgrm defends Gonzales by tacitly admitting that a comparison to Diane Feinstein, a senator she obviously loathes, is not only permissible but is the de facto standard.
6 years of this kind of GW Bush bullshit personnel incompetence and still the supporters of the president want to lower American standards of Presidential leadership whenever it appears Bush is unfit as POTUS.
By the time they’re finished Forrest Gump would be over-qualified for POTUS and Richard Nixon would be on the short list for sainthood.
Talk about defining deviancy down. Why don’t some of you argue for RAISING THE BAR?
Nope Bob.
Just like I supplied you the information about PETA and you chose to ignore the fact they have a history of violence and don’t care anything about human life.
You chose to ignore and argue semantics that a violent organization like PETA will do crazy things.
EXCELLENT post Pedant!
You’ve completely NAILED it.
I’m particularly amused by Republican’s apparent belief that Gonzales isn’t REALLY a gibbering moron who doesn’t have the slightest idea what’s happening on his watch. It’s just that when he’s questioned by all those mean Senators he’s so shaken that he merely APPEARS to be a gibbering moron with no clue.
The Bush Administration loves to strut around reminding everyone of the constant threat we face from evil people that want to kill us. Bush’s entire reelection campaign in 2004 was based on this notion that only Bush could possibly defend us from this unprecedented danger!!!! (please pay no attention to those two World Wars and the Cold War during which we came close to total nuclear annihilation)
If the Attorney General can be so easily reduced to a gibbering moron by a few gray haired old men and a CSPAN feed, how are we supposed to believe he can handle the enormous responsibilities he has in the post-9/11 era?
Well Bob I gave you evidence of 50 times in one testimony and you are to lazy to do the rest. Guess I really don’t care. I still maintain it is about time that the republicans learned the mantra – I can’t recall – Bill and Hill sure used it enought and she was the smartest person in America.
Condor you use many words to say little. Get a grip. There is absolutely no reason for Gonzales to resign. He could just hang out with Feinstein and William Jefferson.
Witch hunt, Rove should be quaking in his boots but I think he has learned the mantra also.
You libs can’t have it both ways – either you go after corruption on your own side (Feinstein and Jefferson) or you leave the repubs alone. I might get excited about the situation if it wasn’t just politics as usual. Hereafter that will be referred to a JPAU because we have to say it so often.
Steve Davis that is exactly what I said about the numbers. CBS just dropped the ones that weren’t following the situation closely – read ‘we don’t care’. Number crunchers don’t get to pick and choose which responders to include in their ‘numbers’.
Say what? Repub? I did the research and found no evidence that Hilary used that defense 253 times. As anyone with a brain knows, you can not prove a negative. I can not prove that Mrs. Clinton did not use those terms 253 times, but I did ask for proof.
You claimed that PETA was violent, but you did not provide any proof other than accusations.
So are you a hypocrite or a liar?
You fail to see the scope of corruption as a little bit higher than Feinstein and Jefferson.
Remember, the dems wanted Jefferson out, and the repubs defended him! Why? Because they didn’t want the precedent to allow them to go digging in their own trash.
There should be an investigation into Feinstein. I haven’t yet seen a dem say otherwise. But holy cow all those republicans who defend corrupt republicans.
Well Bob I gave you evidence of 50 times in one testimony
Gonzales used that defense 74 times today alone so should we say that he is 50% more dishonest than Hilary?
And how does 50 x X eqyal 253?
Condor and Pendant I haven’t addressed the AG’s competence for the position. I am just tired of JPAU. You can’t have it both way. I have always been a big fan of Feinsteins but you honestly tell me that you and the media wouldn’t be ripping into a republican who headed up a committee giving her family business over a billion dollars in no bid contracts. It makes Haliburton look like small potatoes. Where is your concern here?
I’ve pointed this out to you here before, ksgrm, but I’ll say it again since you can’t seem to recall. It was Ronald Reagan who popularized the phrase “I can’t recall” during the Iran/Contra scandal.
Bob do you keep swinging at gnats so you won’t have to address the elephant in the corner?
How many billions has Halluburton got in no-bid contracts?
“I do not recall” and the like is a legally expectable answer in most courts of law including the Senate.It would then be up to the authority to show that is not factual, but in the end if that can not be done it leave only an educated guess. It is kind of like taking the fifth, it may reek of hiding something but can not be used as a indictment of wrong doing. LOL I remember that being said from when Hillary kept saying she did not remember. (BTW did anyone else get driven nuts by Specter’s blood red left eye? eerie!)
But I have to agree that there would be no reason that Gonzales should not have been well prepared. This appearance was not a surprise, there is ample evidence as to how such hearings are done, the type of questions, the type of answers best given. If not on his own then there are those that have studied Senate hearings and would have well been able to school him. The simple answer to the tactic of interrupting is to stick to your guns till you are allowed to fully answer the question. Been there… Done that! That is a standard court room tactic and well known to anyone that has been there and Gonzales has been there!
Republican just out of curiosity, how well does advocating for the Devil pay these days? LoL
I might get excited about the situation if it wasn’t just politics as usual. Hereafter that will be referred to a JPAU because we have to say it so often.Posted by: ksgrm | April 19, 2007 at 07:22 PM
Again: let’s lower our standards so that whenver we see obvious mistakes, plain as the nose on your face, we can write them off as JPAU.
I find this attitude decadent in the most profound meaning of the word.
Prove that Hilary C used the “recall” defense 253 times. YUou said it not me so prove it. I checked there is no proof of that.
Condor thank you for confirming that it is JPAU.Regan did it, Bill did it, Hill did it, Hubbell did it, McDougel did it, the current AG is doing it. As I said JPAU. You won’t get any argument from me.
Well Bob it appears you win this spitting contest because I have no desire to go back and pull up the evidence. Pat yourself on the back and go back to defending the libs. There you go. Good job.
Pendant when I see you chasing someone on your own side of the aisle then I will get excited and think that I should be harder on the AG. Until then its just JPAU.
Most normal adults do not make stuff up to support their debate points. Debating is so much more fun when you use actual facts. Pass that on to Republican.
” when I see you chasing someone on your own side of the aisle then I will get excited and think that I should be harder on the AG. Until then its just JPAU.”Posted by: ksgrm | April 19, 2007 at 07:34 PM
So does your attitude lift up or tear down the USA?
The answer is that your comment reflects the decline of our country, not its advancement.
You are all so concerned about these judges and this AG about the travelgate episode. Innocent people were not only fired by were maligned to the point of taking them to court on fraudulent charges.
A man’s life WAS destroyed and the woman your party is running for our next prez was at the helm according to the FBI and indepent council.
“It is, in the independent counsel’s judgment beyond peradventure, that as a matter of historical fact, Mrs. Clinton’s input into the process was a significant – if not the significant – factor influencing the pace of events in the travel office firings and the ultimate decision to fire the employees. Accordingly, the independent counsel concludes that Mr. Clinton’s sworn testimony that she had no input into Watkins’s decision or role in the travel office firings is factually inaccurate.” In other words, she lied.”1993 – HILLARY CLINTON and David Watkins move to oust the White House travel office in favor of World Wide Travel, Clinton’s source of $1 million in fly-now-pay-later campaign trips that essentially financed the last stages of the campaign without the bother of reporting a de facto contribution. The White House fires seven long-term employees for alleged mismanagement and kickbacks. The director, Billy Dale, charged with embezzlement, will be acquitted in less than two hours by the jury. An FBI agent involved in the case, IC Smith, will write later, “The White House Travel Office matter sent a clear message to the Congress as well as independent counsels that this Whit House would be different. Lying, withholding evidence, and considering – even expecting – underlings to be expendable so the Clintons could avoid accountability for their actins would become the norm.”
http://prorev.com/hillary.htm
As I have said lead by example. He may be guilty as sin but who cares. It’s JPAU.
ksgrm,
Your constant complaints about “the other guys do it to” are awfully weak considering the issue behind today’s hearing is that not only do your guys do it, but they fire the people who investigate what they’ve been doing.
I have never written one word defending Jefferson and his frozen cash. Every time I’ve addressed it I’ve advocated throwing the bums out. I wish Jefferson hadn’t run for reelection. I wish he hadn’t been allowed to keep his committee assignments. I’ve said as much every time I’ve addressed the issue.
Your point that “the other guys do it too” has been duly noted. But it really doesn’t do much to address the subject of this thread, which is the monumental, inescapable incompetence of our current Attorney General. There’s also ample and growing evidence that Gonzales is willing to completely trash his own repuation in order to provide cover for much more serious wrong doing.
ksgrm, you seem to be saying we can’t have justice until EVERYONE is brought to justice. But you’re apparently untroubled by the fact that the head of the JUSTICE Department is, at minimum, not fit for his job. Where do you propose we start administering the justice you want so badly if the Justice Department itself is compromised by incompetence and malfeasance?
When he invoked the reagen defense “i don’t recall” 45 times, there is no doubt he should resign.
Every president has the option of replacing the Travel Office staff and most do so – Bush did as did Clinton – what is your point – or do you have 253 points?
Bob your mono vision might work for you in most instances but in this one it just proves that only one side of your brain is working. Kick in the left side. She not only fired Dale, she brought false charges against him (a jury acquitted him in a matter of minutes), she wrecked his health, she ruined his professional life and for what. She was paying off a campaign promise?
She wasn’t the prez but it didn’t even matter. This is the very real reason she won’t be the prez.
And you know what I don’t care how many times she lied. She lied. Fifty or five hundred. Are you related to WSClark because your logic resembles his demented logic?
Using “I don’t recall” + Hillary Clinton on google, I found this.
http://prorev.com/legacy.htm
It looks like the site may not be completely objective by any measure of that term. But, under the section entitled ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMER’S – a 1/4th of the way down the page they indicate that Hillary “testified in court or before Congress said that they didn’t remember, didn’t know, or something similar” – 250 times. I have the impression that this count was over more than one court/congress appearance. With Alberto saying the same over 74 times in one day, he can shatter that record easily.
I don’t think “the democrats do it, too” is a real stellar defense. As my grade school teachers used to say, “Well, would you jump out of a window on a tall building if they did it, too?”
It’s odd that ksgrm brings up the Travel Office issue given that the Republican congress held over 200 hours of sworn testimony on the issue. Was that a witch hunt? And the head of that office was found to have diverted funds to his personal bank accounts. If only he’d kept his money in the freezer. THEN ksgrm would be outraged. And one more thing, the WH Travel office is funded by the major news networks because it arranges the travel of the WH press corp. One reason that issue got so much coverage is because the fired travel agents knew all the big name reporters favorite luxury hotels. Whent he new agents came in the unspoken unwritten boondoggles for the WH Press Corp were harder to come by. It’s amusing to me when people who so loathe the media and corruption use this as a pet issue.
Sorry, looks like grm beat me to posting the link to the nut-job site. That poor old grm is spinning tonight, isn’t she — don’t know how she can keep from falling down due to dizzyness.
Your Quote: “And the head of that office was found to have diverted funds to his personal bank accounts.”
Condor this was proven in court to be untrue. Why are you still spouting it. Isn’t that impugning the character of an innocent person?
I am not condoning anything Gonalzes is doing or saying. It will play it’s way through the system. It is actually a little comically watching the hordes salivating all over the AG when their real hunger if for Rove and they are no closer to him now than they were when they convicted poor Scooter.
What false charges? What ruining of a career? You have already demonstrated that you will make up stuff to support your arguments, so provide some proof, otherwise you have no credibility. Sorry, but you just can’t make up stuff and expect to be taken seriously.
Now for some links.
Steven I probably would be getting dizzy but I have so much company. I plead quilty to baiting. But it is so much fun sometimes I can’t help myself.
BTW- Grm, I am not a Hilary supporter so drop that line of ‘reasoning’.
So making up stuff is ‘baiting’It is so much fun? F*ck u.
Bob don’t think it hasn’t been fun because it hasn’t but I am giving you my last post tonight. Life calls.
This also seems to bring in the Craig Silverstone (bar bouncer hired by Hillary to head up White House security)Filegate debacle when hundreds of FBI files of high level people were found in Craigs office. One of them might have been Dales. See below.
This is an exerpt from an FBI file. Documentation included. Read it and weep.
“MR. HOLMAN: Yesterday Rep. William Clinger disclosed that the White House requested and got FBI background material on Billy Dale, the man ousted as head of the White House Travel Office in the early days of the Clinton administration. The disclosure was the latest in the ongoing political controversy known as Travelgate. In May of 1993, Dale and six other Travel Office staff members were fired by the White House, charged with incompetence and possible criminal activity. Office Director Dale later was tried on embezzlement charges but was found “not guilty” by a jury. The six other employees were exonerated and were offered jobs in other agencies of the government.”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/travel_office/travel_office_6-6.html
Have a good night!
Bob I made nothing up. So calm down. No reason to cuss about it. I try to take the high road most times and I am glad you aren’t backing Hillary. Believe there is a huge arsenal of items to choose from in proving my points about Hillary.
So, back up 253 or admit that you made it up.
Incredible —- the thread was the current AG, and some how Hillary’s travel office, a Jefferson scandal etc ….. gets most of the ink —– personal attacks on each other
Vaughn / Condor / Pendant: Good posts (except for the parts where you get caught in the trap of others changing the topic, you only validate them) —)
As I said in an earlier post on another thread:
Don’t argue with idiots, others won’t be able to tell which is which
Ignore germ – is my suggestion. She makes stuff up – see above, has no moral compass, and is completely out of her (or its) mind. To engage her is a waste of time. Thank you and good night.
The Fisters are definitely back.
Think I’ll go over to Wichita Voice under a different nic and spoil it for them.
All I can say is that I’m glad I don’t have a job in the current administration. Gonzales apparently did exactly what he was told, and despite Bush’s rather lukewarm words of support has been hung out to dry. Ain’t no cavalry ridin’ in at the last moment to save him! He will, of course offer his resignation shortly for “personal reasons” and throw himself on his now blunted sword of office, and his boss will soon deny he even existed.
Imagine the bind the Shrubbies are in!
“Fredo” Gonzalez has proven to be a liar, corrupt, and/or incompetent. Even conservative Republicans are asking for his resignation.
But if he resigns, who would replace him? A new AG-designate must face Senate confirmation. The typical Bush lackey won’t pass muster and a candidate of integrity would be honor-bound to go after the higher-ups in the US attorney, Plame-gate, Iraq screw-up scandals.
Would, in fact, a candidate of integrity even accept the job? Like the “War Czar” fiasco — where highly-qualified former generals turned down the job because “this administration doesn’t know what it’s doing” — no one of any quality or integrity is likely to have their reputation besmerched by being known as a nominess of George WMD Bush.
His qualifications get questioned daily, and well they should be. Here we have the top lawyer for the government, and the guy can’t even lie convincingly to save his phoney-baloney job! Doesn’t that get tested on the bar exam orals? I can’t imagine him passing his bar and becoming Attorney General without an A+ in Fudging, Obfuscation and Flat-out Falsehoods 761.Apparently, he bought the answers and got lucky!
Think I’ll go over to Wichita Voice under a different nic and spoil it for them.
Posted by: Republican | April 20, 2007 at 12:30 AM
Republican, you really are a child. The facts are clearly not on your side in this thread – so much so that you can’t even find material from your usual sources to cut and paste here – so all you can do is pout about some imagined liberal conspiracy to… well, I’m not sure. Apparently you think there aren’t enough liberals in the world to comprise the half dozen or so seperate voices on this thread, so we must be switching nics. Whatever.
I kind of thought it was funny the other day that AaronS (I think that was his name) magically popped up out of no where to support you and GSheridan and nonsensically swipe at me. And his timing was perfect to come along and offer you that support just as you were descending into your “Poor Beleagured Republican” routine. “No one wants my opinion… except the magical Aaron-of-Remarkable-Timing!” And Aaron offered you his support in a rambling, punctuation free style that seemed deliberately characterless and free of identifyiing trademark phrases or syntax. And just as quickly as he came, he was gone again. I didn’t mention my suspicion because not only is it childish and paranoid to go around suspecting people of being sock puppets, it’s also entirely pointless.
Who gives a shit if Aaron is a real person or a sock puppet for Republican? Do Aaron’s points have merit and is he willing to stick around to support them? The answers were no and no. So whatever.
Republican and/or Aaron and GSheridan seem to be obsessed with figuring out which one of the “Fisters” I am. So much so that they’re unwilling to consider the fact that, as I’ve said elsewhere on this blog, I’m a real person who’s never posted anywhere under a different identity. My voice, style, opinions and values are constant and I frequently conceed when people “on my side” fail to live up to my standards and values. As Bush says, you may disagree with me, but you know where I stand. What more could you ask of an online debating partner?
And of course, if anyone bothered to point out that were Republican to start nic switching he’d be no better than the people he baselessly accuses of doing so, Republican would simply say he was joking. Whether he is or not, the fact that you shouldn’t take anything he says seriously is as true as ever. It’s just a blog, he constantly says whenever anyone tries to pin him down on his innacuracies and hypocrisy. That tells you all you need to know about Republican’s opinions.
These constant suspicions of nic switching and email coordination are just amusing to me. Maybe I’m this person, maybe I’m that person. I’m not sure if this will help in your search, Republican, but here are a couple clues to my identity: I’m Tiger Woods and I’m like Mike.
I don’t think anyone should worry too much about Gonzales at the Federal level. The problems in Wichita are sufficient for the day.
WE finally begin to see the effects of the slow wheels of justice to address the actions of Sedgwick County Kansas officials through the recent public censures by the State of Kansas towards the court of Judge Rebecca Pilshaw and Roberts her admin aide.
The people of Wichita Kansas can rest assured that the bright sunlight of justice will reveal things completed in darkness and secret by these persons.
Sorry to all you Gonzo bloggers,did not know about the 29 March 07 Pilshaw blog until now,be sure to VOTE AGAINST HATE IN ‘08,by bringing in a NEW JUDGE to take her place!