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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted March 8, 2007 at 1:04 a.m.
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After reading the article about Joyland closing, I thought I’d give my views on that situation. Personally, when I drive by Joyland, I see an old, depleted park that needs to be torn down and be used for something else. However, I am not a native Wichitan, and I know people have fond memories of being there many years ago, but I believe something else needs to go in there.
The question is what should? That area is getting more ghetto and needs a project that will help the citizens of the entire city and make that area more appealing as a whole.
Keep in mind we have a new, state of the art theme park going in up North right along the Interstate. So think creatively for something Wichita doesn’t have much of and could use, that could revitalize a depleted area and could work in that area.
Some thoughts from President Clinton’s speech Friday in Topeka:–We spend 16 percent of our income on health care; nobody else in the world pays more than 11 percent. Per capita, the aggregate difference is… $800 billion. That’s more than our trade deficit, and more than twice our budget deficit.–For what we spend on health insurance, we cover 84 percent of Americans…most other countries–paying less–cover 100 percent.–If our health care is so much better than countries who pay less and insure more, how come citizens in 36 nations get sick less than we do–and people in 33 other countries live longer?–To recover their health care costs, the world’s four largest auto makers build a certain amount into each car they build: General Motors, $1,500; Ford, $1,000; DaimlerChrysler, $600; and Toyota, $110.–The U.S. spends 34 percent of its health care dollars on administration; nobody else in the world spends more than 19 percent. That means Americans are spending $300 billion more on paperwork.–Two million people–one in every 150 Americans–work either in insurance or health care administration.–Since January of 2001, the number of Americans with health insurance has decreased by four percent… but the number of people employed in insurance and health care administration has risen by 32 percent.
Jon, I really don’t expect that new theme park to do well. MANY refuse to go to it. I’m one of them.
I’d like to see Joyland torn down, it’s just too old. Maybe turn it into a carnival ground for traveling groups and rent the space. I’d like to see the go cart place stay up and running, maybe a little petting zoo for the kids (not everyone wants to go all the way through the big zoo).
PM – I’m confused as to why you would refuse to go to a place that isn’t even completed yet. Unless you just really, really don’t like theme parks.
I doubt I’ll go – not because I have anything against it, but I don’t have little children to take.
But why would you REFUSE to go? It’s just another place for kids.
Talk about liberal-slanted media! Did anyone see CBS’ attempt to paint all soldiers as wanting to cut and run, having signed an Appeal for Redress?http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/22/60minutes/main2505412.shtml
The problem is – the story, like most librat propaganda IGNORED much of the report it drew its selective stat from.
In fact it pulled a stat that showed LESS THAN 1% of soldiers felt that way. This is typical of the librat media in general. Many gullible librats (like some here, i.e., J R, WSClark, Farmie, et al,) will walk away from that story thinking the MAJORITY of soldiers thinks the war is wrong.
That, of course, based upon just one more librat deception.
In fact, the very report CBS founded its biased show upon brings these points to light:
* A plurality of troops felt it was correct for the USA to go into Iraq.* A plurality thought we are likely to succeed.* Bush’s overall job approval was 52%, vs. 31% disapproval.* Only 13% thought there should be no American troops in Iraq and Kuwait.* Almost four times as many thought troop levels should be maintained at current levels or raised as wanted complete withdrawal.* Almost three times as many supported a surge as supported withdrawal.* An overwhelming 83% were satisfied with their job, and 81% would recommend a military career to others.* Even with the risks, 72% would support a son or daughter going into the military.* Those who would reenlist or extend their military commitment outnumbered those who wouldn’t 66% to 21%.* A full 90% considered themselves well trained.* A plurality agreed that President Bush has their best interests at heart. Only 23% thought Congress has their best interests at heart, as opposed to 69% who did not.
http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006poll_iraq.php
Kinda puts the librat agenda in a whole new light….doesn’t it?
ROFL
I’ll have to check out the story later on when I have more time.
GS, I won’t go to the Terry Fox evangelical theme park I’d rather go to Worlds of Fun.
Remindme later on to ask KFG if she’s booby enough to call them and ask if they’ll host a ‘gay day’.
I’m sure with FOX being on the grounds, they’ll hand out free bibles with season passes. I can’t wait till their new ride The Gayinator comes out.
You left out a WHOLE LOT OFinformation in that poll there GS.
Where is the most recent poll by the way? Is December 06 really the one they were discussing?
As far as I know, that’s the poll.
I purposely quoted information that was in diametric opposition to what CBS was propagandizing.
I can see that stuns you, and that’s why you need to realize the liberal MSM is all about agenda.
Do you WANT to know the truth? Or are you happy just hearing bits and pieces from the liberal big boys?
No matter how you slice it – CBS left out MUCH MORE than I did. It built its entire show around one of the SMALLEST numbers in the survey.
That’s brainwashing – at its best….or worst, you choose.
PM – btw – I thought you were talking about Wild West World. lol
No one in their right mind would go to the Fox theme park.
GS
The report was not the only report on 60 Minutes — it was one of several stories so
“..It built its entire show around one of the SMALLEST numbers in the survey.”
is at least an exaggeration, your as guilty as skewing facts to support your argument as CBS might be.
CBS also recognized that the 1000 soldiers that signed the petition are a small percentage of the service population.
Your vitriol again betrays you.
Why no post on the Soldiers deserve the best from the VA blog — you don’t think they deserve the best?
Faux News is a real hoot too.When Scoots was found guilty on 4 of 5 charges, what was the banner on faux’s tagline?LIBBEY FOUND NOT GUILTY OF LYING TO FBI(The only not guilty charge)
Gee golly, some of the wingspinners are still claiming there was no crime committed.IOKAYAR?
Good morning Ken.Yes, why does GS hate the 99% of the other active soldiers?Are they all just a bunch of whiners?
Ken writes:
“is at least an exaggeration, your as guilty as skewing facts to support your argument as CBS might be.”
Well, at least you admit that CBS just might have ’skewed’ things.
The difference, however, is that I, am just an American citizen, posting my opinion on an obscure blog.
CBS is one of the GIANTS of the MSM and their show did NOT include any of the stats I posted above, even though they came from the same article.
I have an audience of maybe 30. What is CBS’ audience?
Okay – SO, what do we all think about smarmy Obama Winfrey and his so-called ignorance that he had invested $50,000 in stock in the companies of some of his biggest campaign donors?
If he can’t control his OWN finances – what makes anyone think he could control the United States?
I can just hear him drawling in a Forrest Gump impression, “I’m not a bright man…..”
ROFL
Democrats – they really think no one will notice as they scheme.
“As long as elementary and secondary education remains predominantly a government monopoly controlled by the teachers’ unions and the educational administrators, no amount of R&D will do much good. That is trying to make water run uphill.
The key to real and lasting improvement is competition, breaking the government monopoly by enabling parents to choose the school they believe is best for their child, whether it is government, parochial, secular non-profit or for-profit. Free-market competition would work its miracles in this area as it has in so many others.
The way to achieve effective competition is to change how government money is distributed. Instead of, as now, subsidizing schools (i.e., producers), subsidize students (i.e., consumers). Instead of pupils being assigned to schools (or parents paying twice for schooling, once in taxes, once in private school tuition), give every parent a voucher, acceptable for full tuition at a government school, and worth a substantial sum at a private school (say, one-half of the government’s cost per student), and let parents choose the school they believe best for their child, paying for it with the voucher at a government school, and with the voucher plus resources of their own, if needed, at a private school. Let private schools operate as they do now, with minimum regulation and free entry, whether parochial, nonprofit secular, or for-profit.
The result would be a free-market educational industry that would produce improvements far faster than any amount of federal R&D.”
If you want a true indication of what the troops think, check the re-enlistment rate.
It’s higher now than during the Clinton years. In general the troops in Iraq support the mission and support the president.
Most of them that are upset are upset with the rules of engagement. And those are changing!
Hank
GS, the Wild West World IS in cahoots with Terry Fox, that’s why his church is there.
I guess you must have missed that thread.
I’m not shocked by the survey at all. Most of them disagree with the war and how it was handled.
Instead of getting the bedwetter spin, why not look at the facts yourself? See it at the link.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies /
THE LIES THAT LED TO WARWednesday March 7 at 9pm & midnight on CBC-TV
Too bad the outrage directed at the “liberal media” (that STILL cracks me up) couldnt be directed at the shoddy treatment soldiers are getting from the VA in general and Walter Reed in particular.
But then, sigh, that is the reich wing. Arm flailing over the media when the facts about how this administration treats soldiers speak for themselves.
Could it be the reich wing is trying to distract from the facts?
Seems like if they cared about their soldiers so much, they would be making noise about the VA, not CBS.
…and where oh where is values boy today? He’s MIA for two consecutive weeks now. Just not putting him on-line, or is he back to cleaning printing presses with cotton cloths? hehehehehehe
Maybe they have him praying over the subscription and advertising depts.
Will that work out as well as his pandering column to the oh so pious republican reich?
Where oh where is values boy today?
heheheheheheheeheheheheh
Maybe values boy resigned to help Cindy Duckett turn your schools into little training camps for evangelicals?
Maybe he is helping to elect Karl Peterjohn so he can carry all the gold to the Koch brothers while shutting down your public schools?
Maybe he is undergoing treatment at some evangelical gay camp? Oh, wait, that sounds like what coultergeist would say.
Where oh where is values boy?
Thanks farmgrrl. I see there is way more to the story than posted here on the blog. Many good resources listed too — I plan to spend some time digging. There are always two sides to every story, and this one isn’t as clear as Hank and GS would like to convince us it is.
The space where valuesboy would be in the newspaper it shows his photo and says, “BRENT CASTILLO … will return.”
Vacation?
Trip to a place where he can hone up on the talking points?
Shit, he’s gonna return?
Who wants to bet he was at CPAC, as linda said, honing the talking points.
Or sucking up to coultergeist, his gay hating idol.
Hee heee heeeeeee. Maybe fawning over Matt the Gay Porn Star Marine?
Wonder what he’d have to do to get THAT autograph.
Probably nothing more than exhibit rampant homophobia. Or self loathing in Matt the Marine’s case!!
Scroll down to yesterday’s thread about the VA.
See any of the reich side of the blog posting there about improving the system for our veterans?
Nope. Nothing but “lib” posts down there. No hank, no little miss homophobe, no fleetie, no nutz, nada. zip. no conservatives posting there at all.
Typical reich wing. When they actually have something to STAND UP FOR VETERANS, what do we hear from them on the VA thread?
(Cue crickets chirping)
OMG, you’re probably right, KSGrrl.
He probably went to the CON spawn black mass and worshipped the reich-wing devils.
Nobody takes “vacation” the first week in March.
GS and Hank you were right on with your take on the military situation. We live in SE Wichita and have a lot of Air Force families in our neighborhood. I am amazed when I talk to them because they are very positive about the Iraqi situation. Many are on their way back for 3rd and 4th times.
I also noted in Bill Clintons remarks that the demo talking points are out in full force. Socialistic medicine will be pushed right up to election day because the sheeple are so easy to manipulate.
The funny part of the whole thing is that the people griping loudest about the VA hospital conditions are the one yelling loudest for socalized medicine. They haven’t connected the dots yet to realize that the same government that has screwed up the VA hospitals is the same government they want to put in charge of our entire medical network. Won’t they ever learn?
‘Morning farm girl!
Sorry ya missed me! I have a day job!
Walter Reed Army Medical Center is not a VA center. Two different things.
As a Life time member of the VFW (and former post commander) I’ve probably done more for veterans in VA hospitals than most.
It’s a non-partisan issue, I’m sorry you seem to see it as nothing more than a chance to defame the “reich wing”.
My experience with military hospitals is that generally Air Force hospitals are the best, Navy the cleanest and the Army ones have always been armpits.
Our local VA hospital is a lot better now than it was ten years ago. If you really care about our veterans you can volunteer there. Any local VFW can give you information on how you can help. Every VFW has a program in place that helps out at VA hospitals.
Is the Bush administration to blame for Walter Reed? Of course, they’re in charge. Now. But the military depends on the budget process and that’s congress. Congress has always put military hospitals low on the list of priorities.
Hank
You mean the republican lead congress, since 1994, DIDNT do right by the veterans? They were in charge for thirteen years, and the REPUBLICANS let VA care slide?
Say it isnt so…..
And fleetie wants the dems to fix, in two months, what took the republicans 13 YEARS to mess up?
Say it isnt so….
Thank God the people making over half a million a year got a tax break though, right Hank.
After all, the very richest Americans deserve to keep another penny on their dollar even though soldiers who had their legs blown off get treated like sh*t.
It’s been a very long time since I went to Joy Land. Back in the late 1980’s when I was a small child.
The only thing I can say is that they can get rid of that freakin scary robotic clown that plays the piano. It put the fear in all of us and gave many children nitemares.
I don’t have an opinion on WildWestWorld, but I will be going there to install a bunch of equipment here in the next few weeks.
Say hey to the little ayatollah for me, will ya Joe?
I think the association with taliban terry will be a hinderance in the long run.
Unless they are expecting the rapture in the near future and they think there wont BE a long run…
Hey ksgrm,
I agree. I can call in a prescription to FarmLand and get it at the drive through window, or I can go to the Air Force base and spend half a day before I find out that they won’t fill it unless it’s generic and then I’ll have to come back tomorrow.
Or, maybe, use Medicare as an example. People over 65 get thrown into socialized medicine rather they like it or not. Medicare patients spend twice as much of their income as a percentage on medical care today than they did before Medicare. They spend three times more of their income as a percentage than any other demographic group.
Many of them spend more for their supplementary insurance than non-medicare patients pay for their primary insurance.
Medicare is a cruel joke. But it is still better than the Canadian healthcare system!
Hank
Just as Hank makes words mean whatever he wants them to mean, he only answers the posts he wants to answer . . .
See Lewis Carroll’s Humpty Dumpty.
I’ve been in at least half a dozen VA hospitals. I been to Washington lobbying for better conditions. It’s a non-partisan failure.
However, conditions are better now than they were ten years ago.
I was in the Army hospital in Oahu during the Viet Nam war. It was an armpit then. If it is still there, I can assure you that it is still an armpit. It is a non-partisan armpit. Blaming it on one party or the other is non-productive.
Hank
What do you want to know capt? I’ll answer one of your questions if you answer one of mine.
Fair enough?
Hank
“Blaming it on one party or the other is non-productive”
Wow, where was that attitude during the Clinton administration?
Expect to hear THAT mantra more and more as the on-going failures and crimes of bushco become public.
No offense to the Army, well maybe some. :)
Army facilities usually suck compared to AF and Navy. I don’t know what it is about the Army, but they let their facilities decay and generally get run down.
When the AF took over an Army Commissary in Germany, it took the Air Force three months to get all the trash and fixed general maintenance problem.
Hell, they had walk in freezers that had food frozen behind solid sheets of ice 2 feet thick!
I know this because I was on the investigation board of inquiry to decide who was responsible for lack of maintenance.
Sorry Army, but your reputation proceeds you.
From the Libby conviction thread–
Hank asks (insincerely of course, since no amount of evidence will ever sway him from his Rush-isms): why didn’t Fitzgerald go after Cheney.
If Hank had the requisite IQ to understand, he would have seen that Fitzgerald needed testimony by Libby to get to Cheney.
By lying, Libby was protecting Cheney. Fitz knew he was lying, and so he did the only thing he legally could: prosecute for perjury.
Unfortunately, this fits the pattern that we’ve seen from this administration ever since they were installed in office despite losing the majority of voters: lie, cheat, steal . . . do whatever it takes to win.
*****
Okay, we answered your question, Hank. Here’s one for you.
Bush said that he would fire anyone who leaked Plame’s name to the press. We now know beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt that Richard Armitage (retired), Karl Rove, and Libby (convicted) leaked Plame’s name.
Since they haven’t been fired, you now have to admit that Bush lied.
So are you going to admit he lied?
*****
Pass the popcorn . . . this should be good . .
Dear farmgirl,
Is it possible for you to intelligently post without bringing up Clinton?
Clinton! Clinton! Clinton! It’s OK for the liberals to do anything to a conservative because we picked on Clinton!
Get over it girl!
Hank
Republikhan–
JM was in Germany too. And so was Eier!
Did you know them while you were there?
Lot of people were in Germany when there were several million in the Armed Forces.
Germany was a cherry assignment, travel Europe, visit historic places and having fun defending the World against the Soviet Union.
Of course the only thing Capn Amercia thinks about is his own personal agenda and being divisive.
CAPNAMERICA
WE BLOG’S.WORST.POSTER.EVER.
“It’s OK for the liberals to do anything to a conservative because we picked on Clinton!”
Why not ask ann coultergeist?
I hardly think IMPEACHMENT is PICKING on someone. OR are you ready to admit that impeaching Clinton WAS nothing, just a little school yard fun in picking on someone?
heheheheheheheheheheh
All those things you did to Clinton will come in handy when there are REAL impeachable offenses by bushco? You’ll just cry “they only want to get even”?
Jesus wept.
Karma’s a bitch, aint it hankie? So’s the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
Looks like the dems are just doing what the repukes modeled for us over the past 13 years.
Or are you saying the dems need to be BETTER than the repukes were?
I can agree with that. Can you?
Careful, they’re going to block your IP address again, JM.
Are you black in a wheel chair today? Or is that only on Mondays?
Capt. you’re an idiot! None of the so-called lies by Libby had anything to do with protecting Cheney.
There was no reason for Bush to fire anybody, nobody committed a crime. Plame was not covert. Therefore, the so-called leak was nothing more than a left-wing pipe dream.
You think Fitzgerald did a hell of a job? Really?
Poor ol’ Libby is convicted of a process crime and Fitz is going to the house.
If I was a liberal I’d be a little disapointed, unless the whole purpose of the excercise was to score political points.
In the end, nothing happened.
Bush Lied! Bush Lied! Is that you’re only mantra? Boring.
Hank
Hank is madly googling Rush Limbaugh’s site to see what spin the CON spawn has on the “I’ll fire anyone who leaked” lie.
Not finding anything, eh, Hank.
Oh well, it’s only our democracy we’re talking about here.
Nothing that would concern you people . . .
I’m not Hank but he did say he had a day job so I’ll try to answer this. They was no secret to leak. She wasn’t covert. If Libby had said he heard it from Cheney Fitz would have had what? Cheney repeated something that was common knowledge at parties all over Washington. They was NO secret to reveal. Armitage is gone. He has said over and over he ‘leaked’ the name of Plame.
You might think that Rove and Cheney were behind it – I certainly can’t change your mind for you.
There is no one to fire. No one was found guilty of the ‘crime’.
I know the cons and libs on this blog will never agree on who lies, cheats, etc.. but in this case there is not nor ever was a crime to fire someone over.
Wasnt durden the little phuc who said he had five of his six ip’s blocked?
Looks like the WE needs to get number six. And a few others.
Is JM really smarter than the WE technical people? Is nutz really smarter than the WE technical folks? Durden?
I guess only time will tell. If the WE cant control the trolling here, I guess this will soon become lonely blog too.
Hank–
Read Bush’s comments again.
Bush said “I’ll fire anyone who leaked.”
They leaked.
They weren’t fired.
Lie.
Case closed.
You lose. But thank you for playing and pick up our consolation prize on your way out.
Come on farmgirl,
The dems have been trying to make politics a crime ever since Nixon. They can’t win in the arena of ideas so they try and make our ideas a crime.
Note for the record:
Although you always dump on people for bringing up Clinton, You were the one that brought him up in this thread.
I still love ya, you make us conservative, right-wing, heterosexual, Christian republicans look good!
Hank
Block this IP? And won’t for what purpose?
It’s the Democraps who are constantly violating the terms of service here, trying to find out peoples identities and using swear words in their original form and in phoenetic form.
Those democraps swearing and trying to find out identities are the people that need to be IP blocked.
Wasn’t a leak capt. Sorry.
No crime. Sorry.
Fitzgerald, the great liberal hope, has left the arena. Sorry.
Hank
Here in by little recliner at home I currently have access to two separate wireless networks other than my own. Plus, at work, I have three separate accesses to the web.
Go ahead and block me!
Hank
Oh yea, I have dial up too, if I need it!
Hank
“They was NO secret to reveal. Armitage is gone. He has said over and over he ‘leaked’ the name of Plame.”
The Libs are the same bunch who think stuffing documents down your pants is OK. Or leaking classified information if it suits their purpose. Or putting Jefferson (he of the cold cash in the cold freezer) on the Homeland Security panel. The defenders of Clinton (he of the “tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”) fame.No proof!! No proof!!The grandma is right again.
No hank, it was your TREATMENT of Clinton that I brought up.
Not like the repukes here who constantly want to excuse the crimes of bushco by saying “Clinton did it too!!”
It was YOU I was speaking of, not Clinton. But I know, that is a fine point to make with people who are not adept at fine points.
I could be more ham handed like the repukes here, but I’d rather watch them weakly spin the “good” news and melt down.
Pass that popcorn, will ya?
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehe
Oh, and for the record hankie, if you go back, GERMIE was the first one on this thread to bring up Bill Clinton.
I’ll accept your apology any time…
Germie’s post at 8:46
“I also noted in Bill Clintons remarks that the demo talking points are out in full force.”
Proving that even HANK scrolls right past germie’s bullshit!
Ksgrm – It’s interesting to see how very few liberal media followers know the extent of Fenton Communications in the end product programing they sit and watch in their living rooms.
Ignorance is bliss in Leftist Land, I guess.
I get a kick out of folks like smarmy farmie who have to try and turn every thread into a ‘gay rights’ issue. Have you ever noticed how they promote freedom of speech – unless it disagrees with their personal agenda?
Then they want honest debaters banned. lol Because they know their agenda can’t stand up under scrutiny.
This is why it comes as no surprise to me that the current Congress can’t pass a binding resolution. They are but detractors – not implementers.
Take that goofy John Edwards. First, he retains staffers who alienate the RCC, then he has the audacity to go on record saying, “I think that Jesus would be disappointed in our ignoring the plight of those around us who are suffering and our focus on our own selfish short-term needs,” Edwards told the site. “I think he would be appalled, actually.”
And, as if his exercise in hypocrisy isn’t enough – Edwards, himself lives among those in the top percentage of wealth in the US.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/03/05/D8NM9S8O2.html
ROFLMAO
The libbies are spinning like toy tops, wobbling and diving, trying to maintain any motion they can…..for 2008.
But, without substance – real substance, they can try to shout down everyone they don’t like – as some here do – and it wont behoove them one iota.
They will have lost all momentum long before the General.
Kinda sad really. Don’tcha think?
Fine points! Really?! I was talking about the conditions in military and VA hospitals and your ‘fine point’ response was to drag Clinton’s adulterous butt into the discussion?
You’re right. Your fine points are much to subtle for me!
Clinton! Clinton! Clinton! The VA hospitals are crap because we impeached Clinton.
You win, boring.
Hank
Hell, it was almost a half hour AFTER germie’s post that I brought up YOUR TREATMENT OF CLINTON!
heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh
But we are amused, and we do encourage you ” conservative, right-wing, heterosexual, Christian republicans” to play agian. You do make them look good!
OK, I’m sorry. You’re right. I’m wrong. It’s perfectly OK for you to use Clinton in the hospital discussion because germie brought him up first.
Clinton! Clinton! Clinton!
And your point?
Hank
…as Tracy would say “pitiful. Just pitiful.”
Hank – smarmy farmie wants you blocked because she can’t logically debate you. She has to try and shout you down, insult you, and degrade you. If that doesn’t make you fold, she will whine to the powers that be for your banning. That’s what schoolyard bullies/cowards generally do.
It’s a clear-cut illustration of her insecurity in not only her personal agenda, but her political agenda. She, and her band of Merry Men need to be able to employ extraordinary means on blogs like this – they try and try to hold sway over the others, seeing it as some sort of ‘victory.’
:)
But, on the bright side – there are some educated folks here that are really interested in honest debate.
Hang in there – the rest of us are interested in what you have to say.
Speaking of Clinton, he was found guilty of lying to a grand jury too. all he lost was his license to practice law.
Should he go to the same jail that they want to put Libby in?
heheheheheheheh
Little miss homophobe’s views are well known here.
Please, continue posting.
And please post where I said hank should be blocked?
I do think trollers should be blocked. I have not called hank a troller.
You do indeed play lose with the facts.
Nice try, and we do encourage you to post again. You are indeed making those in your camp look good.
hehehehehehehehehheheheehehehheheeh
Hey GS,
I’m really quite fond of the farmgirl! She’s a hell of a good cook! Her chicken and tater salad are to die for!
In person she’s a real sweetheart and she’s welcome in my house anytime.
Politically she’s just wrong. And unlike the dems, I don’t think that’s a crime!
Hank
Uh and it was political mom who brought up the gay thing, not me.
Hell, I was still in bed, dreaming of my lovely girlfriend and all the good times we have under the covers….
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehhe
Now THAT is bringing up the gay thing! Hee hee hee hee
let the OUTRAGE begin!
Gotta go, got chores to do before noon.
You guys play nice while I’m gone.
Hank
ROFLMQAO!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG, it is just too funny to watch little miss homophobe stomp her feet and have a girlie hissy pissy fit!!
Hee hee hee hee hee hee!!!!
Ever wonder why I get under her skin so much? Ever wonder how she got the nic “little miss homophobe”?
Repost bone dig time!
hee hee hee hee
“and just in case you were wondering, birds of a feather DO flock together.
Like little miss homophobe and coultergeist.
“”Keep puffing on the bong, farmgirl.snipPuff…..puff…..puffShit it’s getting smoky in here.Did you catch your mustache on fire?Posted by: GSheridan | February 12, 2007 at 04:36 PM
You go girl, or butch, whichever the case may be.Posted by: GSheridan | February 09, 2007 at 01:04 PM
Yep. Just like two peas in a pod…
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | March 06, 2007 at 09:32 AM
Oh yeah, but she just cant STAND it when I bring up the gay thing!!!
Gosh, I wonder why?
Good morning KFG, my fine lesbian friend.Here’s a morning linkie for ya’.Andrew Sullivan(conservative & gay):http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/03/faggots.html
I watched Ann Coulter last night in the gayest way I could. I was on a stairmaster at a gym, slack-jawed at her proud defense of calling someone a “faggot” on the same stage as presidential candidates and as an icon of today’s conservative movement. The way in which Fox News and Sean Hannity and, even more repulsively, Pat Cadell, shilled for her was a new low for Fox, I think – and for what remains of decent conservatism. “We’re all friends here,” Hannity chuckled at the end. Yes, they were. And no faggots were on the show to defend themselves. That’s fair and balanced.
I’m not going to breathe more oxygen into this story except to say a couple of things that need saying. Coulter has an actual argument in self-defense and it’s worth addressing. Her argument is that it was a joke and that since it was directed at a straight man, it wasn’t homophobic. It was, in her words, a “school-yard taunt,” directed at a straight man, meaning a “wuss” and a “sissy”. Why would gays care? She is “pro-gay,” after all. Apart from backing a party that wants to strip gay couples of all legal rights by amending the federal constitution, kick them out of the military where they are putting their lives on the line, put them into “reparative therapy” to “cure” them, keep it legal to fire them in many states, and refusing to include them in hate crime laws, Coulter is very pro-gay.As evidence of how pro-gay she is, check out all the gay men and women in America now defending her.
continues~with lots of “laughs”….
Ran across this on another blog, and couldn’t resist:
C.S. Lewis -
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.”
Hi Tracy! I see it is another good day to be you. And to be me as well!!
How’s yer Dad? I hope you are keeping him posted on the water stuff and his buddy over at parks and wildlife.
The think I hear in the gay community about coultergeist is that no matter how the cons and repukes wanna say anti-gay legislation isnt about gays…
…the more clear it becomes that it IS all about gays. Not the “defense” of marriage.
Easy pickings for me. All I have to do is wait. They show their true nature every time.
And it is fun watching them crawfish out of their own words.
Controlled controversy anyone?
Hank – glad to hear farmie isn’t getting under your skin.
I do agree with you that she is wrong, politically-speaking, as she is wrong about many issues, but if you like her food – then I suppose there is something to be said for that.
Farmie – I wasn’t pointing out this thread, specifically, but you have just demonstrated once again, that you can’t leave the gay thing alone by dredging up old posts of mine.
Remember – it was Wendy that outed you – not me. I just questioned why you were posting about lesbians on thread after thread after thread.
Your reposting of selective quotes shows you insecurity in your lifestyle. That’s not my fault.
I’ve told you I’m not a homophobe, but you badly need to think I am one. It somehow feeds into your ‘victim’ persona.
It’s your hallucinations – so I’ll leave you to them.
Hee hee hee Tracy. Well, of COURSE coultergeist is pro-gay.
Just look at her salivating over Matt the gay porn star marine. You know the one. He got an AWARD at cpac? Coultergeist had her “picture made” with him!
How much more pro-gay can she be?
Of course, maybe she isnt pro-gay people. Maybe she is just pro GAY PORN!!!!
I thought it was wonderful that Ann Coulter posed for photos with Rod Majors.
She obviously does not have a problem with gays.
Whoops! I meant she doesn’t have a problem with gay Republicans.
No one here outed me. I proudly state who I am. People on this blog met my wonderful girlfriend almost a year before you came here.
You can crawfish all you want dear, but your posts speak more loudly than your weak claim you are not a homophobe.
I mean, who are the readers gonna believe? You? Or their own lyin’ eyes?
heheheheheheh. Anyone who thinks those quotes are out of context should read the entire coultergeist thread. There are even MORE examples of little miss homophobe’s attitude toward gay folks.
No one outed Farm Grrl, GSher. There is no reason for her to hide her sexuality. Unlike Rod Majors and Jeff Gannon, she is no hypocrite.
Can we EVER have a thread that isn’t about gays, gay rights, or gays getting their feelings hurt?
There’s a time and place – sure – but not EVERY friggin Open Thread.
Of course, Clark, she thinks it is something I should be ashamed of. Something to be hidden.
If it is spoken of? Then I am pushing the “gay agenda” (whatever THAT is!) down her throat. heheheh
And as for the insecurity comment…
as the great CF would say, “project much?”
Sorry, WSClark, Wendy DID ‘out’ farmie – to me. I had NO idea she was a lesbian.
In my opinion, everyone has a right to privacy of their own sexuality and if they want to share – fine, but to share for them is kind of presumptuous.
Byt now, farmie might have shared on her own – but the fact is – she didn’t – Wendy did where I was concerned.
That’s just a fact.
Remember, little miss homophobe, I didnt bring it up.
It came up in conversation with you and pmom.
And as long as we know how you will HOWL about any mention of “the gay” why wouldnt we address it?
You know we love to hear you howl!
Farmie – I don’t have to go around announcing that I’m straight on every thread.
In fact, I don’t see many straight folks going around advertising that.
So why would a person always want to discuss their sexuality if they weren’t in dire need of emotional support?
It seems to me – that a secure gay would not need to flame constantly.
Am I wrong?
heheheheheheh talk about skirting the point when proven wrong!!!!
No dear, wendy never outed me. The fact that YOU are a newbie here doesnt mean wendy outed me.
I could repost your own comments where you noted that you read my lesbian confessions before you read Wendy.
Want me to? I would think you have had enough humiliation, but if you want, it can be done.
First rule of holes little miss homophobe. When you find yourself in one, stop digging!
hee hee heehe ehehehehehehehhehehe!
Farm Grrl does not need to ID herself as a lesbian EVERYDAY, GSher. Because you did not know it does not mean she was “OUTED.”
Outing a gay person has a definite connotation of releasing private information AGAINST the will of the individual being outed.
Just like she, as a conservative shill, wants to tell the democrats how to pick their presidential candidates…
…she thinks she is qualified to judge what “secure gays” do and dont do!
The world according to little miss homophobe. Little miss fossil fuels.
Please enlighten us further as to the world according to you!
Farmie – what you have yet to understand is that just because I don’t think YOU are a worthwhile person, doesn’t mean I feel that way about ALL gays.
You are, in fact, an exception.
The term you use to describe me shouldn’t be homophobe – it should be ‘farmaphobe.’ lol
But let me ask you a question.
What’s the point behind your constant reference to gays?
I would really like to know.
heheheheheeh ROFLMQAO!!!!!
I’d say “the gay” is a sore spot with little miss fossil fuels!
And if you dont like me talking about being gay on EVERY open thread…
… perhaps we need a poll of those who tire of your lame flame about “librats” every day!! Or your clear distain for the MSM while posting on an MSM site.
She is just too funny. Keep diggin little girl, keep diggin!
I didnt bring it up little miss homophobe. Why dont you ask pmom?
Sorry, you’re wrong, farmie – I didn’t know you were gay until Wendy announced it to the world – here on WEBlogs.
I wondered, but I didn’t know. My response to Wendy shows that.
YOu badly NEED to call me a homophobe, don’t you?
It reinforces your victim mentality to do so.
Hey – if the shoe fits – kick yourself with it.
ROFL
But here you are – once again – trying to escalate the homo-victim thing.
YOu might be convincing yourself that you’re ‘okay’ with it – but I’m not at all convinced.
Remind me to stay away from the brand of coffee that GSher drinks. It makes her far too mean and irrational.
It’s just boring and redundant, farmie, and frankly, it worries me a little for you.
And I really DO wonder if you’re trying to flirt, in some not-so-subtle way with all your posts about my looks, and sexual innuendo.
;)
WSClarke – ME “far too mean and irrational?”
Weren’t YOU the one who issued the physical challenge to fight?
Yikes.
I notice how our Republican friends can only call the president’s remarks “talking points”.If he’s wrong, why don’t you refute what he said, point by point?As he asked us last Friday night:–Where did the money go?–Why is America the only nation in the world where the financing tail wags the health care dog?–How is General Motors supposed to compete with Toyota when GM has to spot Toyota $1400 a car?–How come the number of Americans with health insurance has dropped by 4 percent in the last 6 years…and the number of people working in insurance and health care administration has increased by 32 percent?As the president said, we could subsidize private health insurance policies for uninsured Americans (something being proposed by Republicans in a number of states, including Kansas), for about $100 million.For the record, I used to lobby for the insurance industry. I know some of the answers to these questions.Do you?
In your dreams little miss homophobe.
None of the feigned concern for me or the sticks and stones you throw change your homophobic posts.
And you dont think your lame flame about “librats” is boring? And laughable?
Nice try. We are amused and do encourage you to try again.
It bolsters your credibility every time you post! hee hee hee hee hee
farmgirl
Some thoughts from President Clinton’s speech Friday in Topeka:
mrcontroversy 2:02am
I’ll take that apology anytime
ksgrm
On KFG’s side, nobody outted her, once something is mentioned on teh blog, it’s open knowledge and ok to discuss.
On GS’s side, she’s not a homophobe, she will just use any dig she can to get at you. Finds a perceived weakness and goes for the weak spots.
Oh OK, sorry germie. It was Mr. C who said it first.
See cons, how easy that is?
No matter, I still wasnt, as hankie said, the one who first brought up Clinton.
WHY am I in the middle of this?
Look, I’m freaking pissy as hell right now. I am unhappy, exhausted, and looking to take it out on someone.
Someone give me a punching bag.
“Weren’t YOU the one who issued the physical challenge to fight?”
For the eleventh time – it was a rhetorical question – not a challenge to fight.
Christ, not only are you mean and irrational, but you are hardheaded as well.
“Christ, not only are you mean and irrational, but you are hardheaded as well.”
The swearing and name calling continues. At least, you are consistent.
“she will just use any dig she can to get at you”
you forgot the rest mom.
“no matter HOW far afield she has to stretch”
I think she has just about discredited herself here as a serious poster. She’s a controlled controversy shill.
And she obviously trolls me. I notice NO ONE gets her riled up like I do. And NOTHING pushes her buttons like “the gay”.
If being an out and proud lesbian is the worst she can say, I’m just gonna keep encouraging her to show her ass with every post.
“The swearing and name calling continues”
…. and this is coming from someone that regularly calls people that disagree with him commie, traitors, America-haters, etc.?
Did I hurt your feelings, Fleet Idiot?
I am sorry. I’ll send over a box of Kleenex so you can dry your eyes.
Thank you, PM. No, I’m NOT a homophobe.
But, in MY case – I didnt’ know about KFG until Wendy told me. I’m sure I would have learned it later – in a different way – but that’s how I learned it.
And WSClarke – NOW you say it was rhetorical but at the time – it sounded like you were wanting to kick our ass.
“WHY am I in the middle of this?”
Maybe because you continue to defend the indefensible?
YOU were the first one to bring up “the gay” when you asked if I was “booby enough” (WTF?) to ask if there would be a “gay day”.
Little miss homophobe wanted to know why I brought it up on every thread. I didnt. You did. She is wrong, wont admit it, and continues to belive the best defense is a good offense.
You are not in the middle of this unless you want to be!
Let’s make it twelve – it was a rhetorical question as in – this is what my response IF someone were to invade my home.
Christ.
…. and by the way, there is no “e” on the end of my name, GShar.
“commie, traitors, America-haters, etc.?”
I stopped with the traitor some time ago. It’s been replaced with seditionist. It’s more accurate.
My first post on this Open Thread was about CBS, and that was MUCH mor important.
Although PM made a passing comment about gays, it was you, farmie that launched into tirades like this one:
[farmieatuoe]“Or sucking up to coultergeist, his gay hating idol.
Hee heee heeeeeee. Maybe fawning over Matt the Gay Porn Star Marine?
Wonder what he’d have to do to get THAT autograph.
Probably nothing more than exhibit rampant homophobia. Or self loathing in Matt the Marine’s case!!”[endfarmiequote]
I’m just saying – give it a rest. Enough is enough.
Why can’t we have ONE Open Thread that does not wind down into a gay debate?
And your need to call others homophobes?
…. and it hurt your little feelings when someone says “Christ” or “hardheaded” or suggests that you might be a little south of the Mendoza line when it comes to brain power?
My, you ARE a sensative little boy, Fleet.
I guess I will have to schedule a weekly delivery of Kleenex for you.
booby was meant to be in place of ‘ballsy”
And I don’t defend the indefensible I never have. I call it how I see it. I just happen to have been debating her a long time and know her gimmicks. I thought I was trying to clue you in but oh well!
I got dragged into this somehow by asking a question, meant to make a point about freaking Wild West World.
I think it is really funny that GS keeps bringing up Wendy.
Wendy “outed me” heheheh by taking GS to task for her homophobia.
Here is another reprint of THAT little gay baiting snit little miss homophobe got into with a straight woman, not just me.
And NOW she wants to give it a rest?
hehehehehhehehehehheheheheheheheheh
“You go girl, or butch, whichever the case may be.Posted by: GSheridan | February 09, 2007 at 01:04 PM
I can’t quite figure out all her references to lesbianism – maybe she IS a dykeSnipShe’s really not that bright.Posted by: GSheridan | February 15, 2007 at 12:02 PM
AND when Wendy takes her to task:
“And by the way, GS, two little points for you – 1) KFG has made it rather clear MANY times that, yes, she is a lesbian and 2) use of a term like “dyke” is morally offensive to me, and do it again and I will be happy to report you for it!!”
GS respons with this:
Ok – so I get it – Farmie’s a lesbo. Big deal. Perhaps that explains her constant rabid anger towards everyone who doesn’t agree with her – but it doesn’t mean she is due any special treatment. She isn’t.snipMaybe she feels “oppressed,” by the lack of approval from society, and lashes out. I couldn’t care less.I don’t dislike her because she is a lesbian. She can quit wallowing in her victim mentality anytime she chooses.For some reason she seems to define herself by her sexuality – you don’t hear the rest of us going around making jokes that “we’re straight.”The only lesbians I know are not nearly as nasty. I’ll bet they would be ashamed to call her – one of their own.
Wendy’s reply?
And, GS, I am still finding the “lesbo” references offensive. We prefer not to resort to deragatory name calling here (or at least I do) so, if you want to make reference to her sexuality, call her a lesbian… otherwise, the gloves are off, and you really don’t want to hear the names i can think of for you… And small wonder that she identifies herself by her sexuality – when people like you keep shoving it in her face…Posted by: Wendy | February 15, 2007 at 03:17 PM
KSagnostic – no, I didn’t know her sexual preference – but she kept making lesbian comment, after lesbian comment.After we were all informed that she was, indeed, a lesbo – it became obvious she defines herself that way.Idiot.Posted by: GSheridan | February 15, 2007 at 03:12 PM
Wendy Replies to the term dyke:
“okay, golfnut, since you insist on being deliberately obtuse – from webster’s dictionary:”Main Entry: 2dykeVariant(s): also dike /’dIk/Function: nounEtymology: origin unknownoften disparaging : LESBIAN- dykey /’dI-kE/ adjective, often disparaging “Please make not of the “often disparaging” portion of the definition.And, GS, I am still finding the “lesbo” references offensive. We prefer not to resort to deragatory name calling here (or at least I do) so, if you want to make reference to her sexuality, call her a lesbian… otherwise, the gloves are off, and you really don’t want to hear the names i can think of for you… And small wonder that she identifies herself by her sexuality – when people like you keep shoving it in her face…Posted by: Wendy | February 15, 2007 at 03:17 PM
GS’s thoughtful reply to Wendy:
Jesus Christ on a Corndog, Windy – you seem to find all kinds of words offensive.I’m not the one who kept posting about lesbians – over and over and over – she did. Thread after thread.Until you ‘outed’ her – I wasn’t sure if she was one. Just thought she had a hangup about lesbo’s.snipPosted by: GSheridan | February 15, 2007 at 03:25 PM
Yep, no one should be surprised that GS thinks ann coulter is harmless….
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | March 05, 2007 at 07:00 PM
hee hee heehee Little Miss Homophobe was spinning that “victim” crap AFTER she was outed as a homophobe.
Remember girlie, your words live forever on the internet. You can run, but you cant hide. You already told us, in your own words, what you are!
PM – you’re throwing yourself on the grenade?
That’s brave of you. I believe you ARE sleep-deprived.
Did you work last night?
I really didn’t know that fact about WW World, and I have to wonder if the entire thing will be run in accordance with that agenda.
Will there be gambling? Dance shows?
I know her techiques Mom. They are kindergarten level for this blog.
Cant you see a little judo being used here? “The gay” is obviously a sore spot for her. She howls about it at every opportunity.
I’ve been bookmarking her homophobic comments to poke that sore spot.
hee hee heeheee
And I see the inflamation is growing….
Sorry, Farmie – PoliticalMom is correct, you are wrong.
I KNOW you derive some sort of warped emotional victim status from claiming others are homophobes, but you don’t know what you’re talking about.
You would be wise to listen to PM – she’s trying to teach you.
Take off the dunce cap and pull up a chair.
Why would I not admit to being a homophobe if I were one?
Riddle me that, oh great bloviator.
I’ll just let your words stand on their own.
Mrcontroversy I too worked in the insurance world for ten years until I retired. I can tell you what I think is driving up health care cost.
It is several things. We have an aging population with more health problems. These could be attributed to our livestyles – we eat to much, consume to many fats, smoke to much and do more sedentary jobs so we become physically unfit at a younger age even though we are living longer. Now we can replace those body parts that wear out, knees, hips, shoulders, etc.. These are expensive surgeries.
Also a large part of the increase is the failure of congress to address real tort reform. As long as physicians have to be protected from every frivilous lawsuit out there, malpractice ins. will continue to go up and will be passed on as increases in office visits, surgeries, etc..
All that said the overhead in our healthcare forces up the administrative cost. In any good corporation your overhead should run in the 15-18% range. The healthcare industry is the exception to that rule. While you can hire lesser skilled people in most industries, in the health world all/most have to be skilled labor. Hence more overhead.
You mentioned GM in your post and I’m not sure what you meant. My thoughts are that unions have raised the benefits package so high that US manufacturers have a hard time competing with Chinese and European companies who don’t have this burden. I once did a econ project on Goodyear and found that it cost them $29 for every low end tire they build in the US. That same tire can be built for $14 in Mexico. It sells for $25. Do you see the problem here?
Health care is a commodity which is wasted by those not responsiple for some of the cost. When more starts coming out of your own pocket then you start to use it more responsibly. If you took a poll in most large manfg. plants very few employees could give you anywhere close to a correct answer of what it costs to insure them.
Just a few thoughts. I don’t thing universal health care is the answer. Reform is needed. We need to look at whats broke and work to fix it not reinvent the wheel.
She won’t stand up for women’s rights or gay rights either, something that irritates the heck out of me. Then gives me some bs reason as to why…likes that victim jab. Anytime someone has a hard time or a story to tell, all it is is fodder.
And I don’t like that about you GS. But at the same time..
Now for indefensible, I have a question for you, KFG.
What actions do you take against the ones that want to limit your own rights? I know voting for the water thing was more important, so important that you were willing to back the appointment of someone who will vote against everything you are.
While on the other hand, I work with legislation, and the leader of the KCA in conjunction with other groups to try to oppose those people who want to limit your rights.
But it’s not just YOUR rights, others have a dog in this fight too. I’d love for my best male friend and my cousin to be able to marry the men they love someday. I’d love it if my neighbor didn’t lose the child she raised. Those are personal to me because they hurt the people “I” love.
But I never ever hear of you standing up for legislation that comes up on the gay rights issues.
Why is that?
Sure, farmie – run away when you can’t answer a direct question.
…..crickets chirping……
Um, GS – I didn’t out ksfarmgrl… If you had READ her posts, like you know, actually READ them instead of just picking up the points that you wanted to disagree with, ANYONE would have known that she was a lesbian – how the hell me pointing that out to you was OUTING her – I guess you will have to explain that one a little further to me… must be the blonde hair, but I am missing it – and how the hell did I get brought in to the conversation anyways?
I did hear from Ann Coulter that the remark she made was in reference to someone who committed themselves to rehad because they had used the ‘faggot’ word. It was just a badly phrased joke. John Kerry could tell you how this could happen.
Sorry, Wendy – but YOU made the comment to me that she was a lesbian.
Perhaps if I had dug through the threads – I MAY have discerned that on my own – but I don’t go searching for things to ‘read into’ a situation.
You told me. That’s a fact.
In my experience – some call that ‘outing’ another individual.
Well, Grandma from Hell, that is the most original excuse I have heard from the wingnuts for Coulter.
Congratulations.
PMOM, you are completely full of shit. Like GS, you think because it happened before you got here, it didnt happen?
I have testified and lobbied in the legislature for years. I was on the front page of every newspaper in kansas in 04 after I testified what a blow the hate amendment would be to kansas economic development.
Old timers here KNOW that I lost my job because of that testimony, even though I took a day of vacation to do it.
I have been a registered lobbiest, a founding member of a gay political action committee in ks, campaigned for candidates OUTSIDE my area, contributed thousands of dollars for the cause, hosted fundraisers….
…and took on governor leadership and her lackies for NOT lifting a finger to help us.
That question was the WRONG one to ask me. You could google my real name and find this really easy.
But I am sure, if you knew my name, you would pass it on to little miss homophobe who would cause no end of trouble for me.
But, bring it on. I stand by every word I have blogged here. And I damn sure dont have to justify my work in the cause to ANYONE!!!!
PM – you’ve read my posts for a long, long time. You know I’m not a homophobe, but you also know I don’t usually go out on a limb.
However, I DID write some letters to the editors of various KS papers right before the Marriage Ammendment was passed denouncing it.
Obviously, that’s MORE than Farmie did.
And you can read mine in the back issues of the Hutch News (print, not online edition) if you so desire.
She just has a warped need to call me a homophobe. It’s just victim mentality kicking in. She WANTS me to be a homophobe for some strange reason.
Dont worry Wendy. Little miss homophobe has been caught in the web of her own words, and she is spinning like crazy to try and cast responsibility anywhere but where it belongs.
With her.
You didnt out me, and it wouldnt matter if you did.
After being on the front page of every paper in ks, and coming out on the front page of the hays daily and it’s thirty thousand subscribers, the idea of “outing” me anywhere is just down right funny.
You know what is even funnier? Little miss homophobe complaining about me bringing up “the gay” in every thread, and then claiming she didnt know I was gay.
Now THAT is funny!
Farmie – you need to back off PoliticalMom. She has been VERY supportive of you.
There is NO WAY she would tell me your name – and I would NEVER ask.
You need to take a chill pill here.
Politicalmom is an honest individual, she’s just posing a question to you.
Quit biting everyone that reaches out to you.
LTTE? heheheheheheh
Yeah. That is SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE than testifying, contributing money, founding a pac, confronting the governor and the entire democratic party in ks.
Yeah. Yer right. Sorry to be such a slacker.
Yeah, GShar, we BELIEVE that you have done more for gay rights than Farm Grrl has.
We believe.
We also believe in the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny.
Personally, I am not all that sure about a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.
“She just has a warped need to call me a homophobe. It’s just victim mentality kicking in.”
Do you think repeating that meme on thread after thread is helping your cause?
here’s a shovel. Keep digging. If you are not a homophobe, you shouldnt have been posting as one.
Unless… you were just trying to stir up “controlled controversy”?
Do you REGULARLY post shit you dont believe just to stir the libs?
No, not you, little miss homophobe. Not you. Say it isnt so…
“But I never ever hear of you standing up for legislation that comes up on the gay rights issues.”
I have already disproved that statement, an assumption made NOT based on the facts.
Would that be your example of PMOM reaching out to me? hehehehheeheh
I’ll ask you again, farmie – why wouldnt’ I admit to being a homophobe were I one?
Why is that question so hard that you’ve dodged it three times now?
Admit it, you WANT me to be a homophobe. It makes you feel justified in your persecution complex.
I just love how little miss fossil fuels claims to be an environmentalist, and then posts just the opposite.
I love how she claims to advocate equal rights for gays, then disparages them in her posts.
I love how she claims to be one thing, then posts exactly the opposite.
The textbook example of “controlled controversy”.
WS thanks for the compliment but I can’t take all the credit. I have to thank John Kerry for that.
Have a good day!
No I”m just tired of the little digs KFG keeps insinuating towards me on a regular basis lately.
And I DO know your name, KFG, but that’s the kind of person I am, I don’t play that way. I thought I knew who you were but I was wrong.
And I don’t give up GS’s name either.
Maybe you did do all of those things, but I haven’t heard much out of you on the issue since I’ve been here. And there is legislation right now before the Capitol that we SHOULD be working together on instead of fighting this crap.
I don’t blame you for being distrustful, but you’re barking up the wrong tree with me.
Excuse me, Farmie?
Where did I claim to be an environmentalist?
Link please?
Either provide the proof or STFU.
“Admit it, you WANT me to be a homophobe. It makes you feel justified in your persecution complex.”
once again….
“Do you think repeating that meme on thread after thread is helping your cause?”
and as for this:
“I’ll ask you again, farmie – why wouldnt’ I admit to being a homophobe were I one?
Why is that question so hard that you’ve dodged it three times now?”
I’m not dodging anything. I cant answer that question because I have no clue about what goes on in that twisted, bipolar mind of yours.
Why dont you answer it for us, since, thankfully, you are the only one inside your head?
Why do you post things that you later say you dont believe, and actually act in the opposite fashion? Or so you claim.
Just looking for a “little” attention?
I know I’m not in this conversation but I have a few questions: Why did you lose your job for testifying before the house? And Pmom why did someone lose a child they had raised because they were gay? I don’t know if I have mentioned it but my neighbors are lesbirans raising a son together. Aside from spoiling him rotten I don’t think they are in danger of losing him.
heehee hee pmom, I was called to testify this year. AGAIN.
I declined to do it, since the legislature has heard me several years ago. It is time for some other gay folks to step up too. I’m giving them a chance to do it.
And funny, when the gay pac needed to get a bill out of committee, it was ME they called to make personal calls to the committee members. Republicans included. Why? Because many legislators know me as a credible activist.
If you know my name, google me.
I’ll be waiting for an apology for you accusing me of not putting my words into action.
They had the baby together and the one who was the biological mother left, and now my neighbor doesn’t get to even see the child.
“I love how she claims to advocate equal rights for gays,…”
You already have equal rights.I honestly do not get why you always say that. I’ve asked many times for clarification, but you won’t let us know what it is you mean.
….sigh….farmie’s in full meltdown mode again.
No matter how many times I tell her – she wont listen. So, I give up.
Think of me as a homophobe, if you wish, call me a homophobe, if you wish, call everyone you don’t like a homophobe, if you wish.
By now, you should realize that not everyone believes your BS. Your credibility, as far as I’m concerned, is in the crapper.
Your accusations agaisnt PoliticalMom were totally unwarranted. She can be absolutely trusted with ANY confidence. She has never offered your name – and, frankly, I don’t want it. You just aren’t that important.
Once again, an Open Thread has degenerated into a ‘gay victim’ tirade for you, complete with you calling others names.
I’m heading to lunch and out to meetings this afternoon, and I’m NOT going to miss your diarrhea of the mouth.
Toodles
That is very sad not only for her but for the child. I can’t imagine Charlie having to go with one or the other. He’s six and they are his family.
“Why did you lose your job for testifying before the house?”
Germie, there is still a lawsuit pending on this so I cant comment here. It was a bullshit charge, and they will pay.
Over 200 people in this town of 1800 showed up to support me and pleaded with the city council not to get rid of me.
They couldnt technically fire me, and I had the support of my board of directors. So you know what they did?
Hehehehehehhhe.
They disolved the entire economic development board and scrapped the entire economic development program.
After we brought in $125 dollars in grant money for every ONE dollar they spent on our office.
And no, I dont think I am a victim. I am fighting back, and have been fighting back.
Oh, and the city council that made me the whipping girl for gay rights?
heheheheheh. Every one of them has been defeated or removed from office in the two years since I was fired.
So.. dont lecture me about homophobia. I’ve seen it in action.’
Oh, and the city and county attorney that led the fight, along with his evangelical buddy on the city council?
He’s being investigated by the KBI for fraudulently receiveing city employee benefits, even though he was an independent contractor and not an employee.
Funny how that karma thingy works.
“You already have equal rights.”
Gay have equal rights, Fleet? So they can just go on down to the Justice of the Peace and get married? When did that change?
I could have sworn that there was a Constitutional Admendment that said only only couples of the opposite sex could marry and enjoy the rights of marriage.
When did this change?
I believe you I don’t think you’re a liar. I”M not the one who keeps making that accusation. I was asking why you hadn’t been active in doing this stuff LATELY.
buh bye little miss homophobe
you can run, but you cant hide who you are
it’s too late for that HERE!!
“I was asking why you hadn’t been active in doing this stuff LATELY.”
Just because you dont hear it, doesnt mean it isnt happening.
enema you would have to rear your ugly head into the middle of this right now wouldn’t you.
There are a TON of things that are not equal for gays/lesbians. and you probably parade around the capitol building just to make sure that keeps happening.
Grm, if you feel that way you should quit backing the people who SUPPORT splitting these families up. Put your money where your mouth is.
I have said many times I do not back a political party for just one cause. What I think isn’t being acknowledged here is that this isn’t a democrat-republican issue. The vote taken would demonstrate that. This is an argument I am torn about as is the death penalty.
“There are a TON of things that are not equal for gays/lesbians.”
OK, besides the marriage issue. I’ll concede that. What else?
I have to say, I’m a little disappointed in political mom.
I find GSheridan to be a despicable person. I cannot imaging going to meet her let alone defending her here. The GSheridan comments kfg reposts speak of a sick and mean spirited mind.
And Germie lives in SE Wichita? That makes us neighbors.
Ewwwww.
Ksgrm? You say you run a small biz. My email is live. Can you let me know the name of the biz? Others will vouch for my honesty. I will not share the name of the business.
I just don’t ever want to go there.
“I’ll concede that”
You wanted a clarification, Fleet, you got it. You stated that gays have equal rights and now you have conceded that they do not.
And the “marriage issue” is no small thing. To deny those rights to gay people is demeaning and patently unfair.
But go on thinking that gays have equal rights – that attitude suits you perfectly.
I’ll tell you later. Remind me.
Right now I’ve gotta take my boy to school and then I’m going to sleep for a VERY long time.
Yeah, I saw your show last time, Mr. C.
Your analysis and your Clinton clips were great.
One suggestion? You might line up some partisans on both sides and let them comment, by phone if necessary.
Sometimes the callers stray far afield. That’s the problem with ANY call in show IMHO, like Randi Rhodes for instance.
She really doesn’t let them talk, she just uses the call as a starting point.
Al Franken basically quit taking calls because he thought the guests had more to say.
Anyway, keep up the good work. It’s nice to have a real local alternative to big corporate media.
JR the last thing I would do is reveal my identy to someone as vindictive as you. We have a successful business and I intend to keep it that way. But just think we might have met face to face and you didn’t even know it.
Don’t trust J R with any personal informaton KSGRM, he have it spread all over the Internet in a matter of minutes.
You simply can’t trust these types of librats.
Hank and KSgrm say “no leak, no lie.”
Well, that’ll be a big relief to Libby.
Because leaking is exactly what they found he did and lied about . . .
Isn’t it tiring constantly saying that day is night?
Not if you’re CON SPAWN.
I read all of you every day so I see you from a bit of a different perspective. To me the issue here is, as any good business person knows, that you criticize ideas, not people. Call a spade a spade, don’t let anyone get by with lies,etc. but do it in a thought provoking manner rather than a personal attack. Could any of us agree to that? Anyone?
*Free gift to the first five bloggers to agree! : )
I am not interested in assessments of my character by a racist nic switching troll “repukehan”
That’s too bad you don’t have the courage to put your politics right out there germie.
I am discreet.
One wonders, are you afraid you buisness would suffer if folks knew your politics?
Khan–
You grossly misrepresented my position and you know it.
I don’t give a damn about “your identity.”
You can be flipping Rush Limbaugh in real life as far as I’m concerned.
What I do care about, and so does every other legit poster, is that the way you represent yourself is true.
Just because we can’t see you, doesn’t mean you get to be black, or in a wheel chair, or a visiting female professor from Africa.
Chose a nic and stick with it. Quit trolling. Don’t misrepresent yourself as something you’re not.
That’s all we ask.
A hell of a good start would be to apologize for being the assh*le you’ve been for many long months.
Capt,
You’ve put quotes around a statement I didn’t write. That’s a little dishonest.
Can you comment on what I say without building a strawman to tear down? Or is yoiur position so week that you have to put words in my mouth?
“Leak” is a liberal pipedream. Fitzgerald found no crime there. In fact he never tried to determine if it was a crime to ‘leak’ Plame’s identity.
Libby didn’t lie about leaking Plame’s identity. He lied about when he first heard of her identity and about who he heard it from.
Fitzgerald has Libby’s scalp and he’s going to the house. I ask again, are you satisfied with the ‘investigation’?
Just wondering.
Hank
JR that was just a light hearted way to say I’m not comfortable giving my identy out on the internet. People who know me know my politics and respect me for it. I have lots of liberal friends and am a much different person that I have been identified on this blog. No offense intended.
Hey all you jack-booted Nancies,you need a knot popped on your damned heads……..just kidden.Don’t even know what we’re arguing about, but I did see GS comment about KFG’s character.My testimonial:KFG is one of the most (if not the most) loving, caring persons I’ve encountered here.She has always been honest, even to the point of unpleasant.(But I prefer that to nice & phony.)There are several others here that have been just as honorable.I’ve had some words with a few that I regret, and I’ve subsequently apologized and tried to respect those persons since.
In conclusion,I feel that here you do reap what you sow.
If you sow hatred, lies and divisiveness, expect your life to be filled with the same.
Okay, carry on.
Hey Wichi!
I agree! What’s my prize?
Hank
Hello Hank.If it weren’t a leak, he shouldn’t have lied, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion.Nuff’ said.
Well, Grandma from Hell, I too would like to know your business so that my friends, family and I can avoid putting dollars in your pocket.
To be honest, why would you want liberal dollars? Would that be a little bit hypocritical of you?
BTW – Are still working on that Cole attack timeline?
Hi wichi.Have a great day.I gotta go get sumpin’ done around here.
WS I am unable to determine a liberal dollar from a conservative one unless the conservative one are the real scrunched up ones because the cons are trying to hold on to them and the libs are always trying to take them away.
Am I satisfied, Hank?
I’m satisfied that Fitzgerald did as much as he could under the law, yes.
You’d have to CON spawn to think that this didn’t originate with the Vice President to smear Wilson for going public with the truth about Iraq and nuclear weapons.
Everybody sees it but the one quarter of Bush dead-enders who still think that Iraq has WMD’s and think that Al Qaeda are communists.
There’s no hope for those people.
I notice that you, Hank, have never publicly admitted that when you insisted that Saddam had WMD’s, you were totally and completely wrong.
So I guess we have to include you in that group of useful idiots to Worst. President. Ever.
WS let me say that you can have the Cole time line argument. I am really tired of reading it everyday.
But tell me what was Bill doing that he let a foreign power blow a hole in the side of one of our aircraft carriers and he did nothing?
Hey Tracy,
I agree, he shouldn’t have lied. But again, his lies had nothing to do with a ’so-called-leak’.
I don’t care which side of the political spectrum you’re on, assuming both sides want the truth, you have to agree that Fitzgerald is an incompetant failure.
I’m not happy with the results of the ‘investigation’, are you?
Just wondering.
Hank
So, Grandma, you at least give us the option of avoiding your place of business. God forbid that we should contribute to the persoanl finances of people that hate us like you do.
WS if you think that every business you go in loves you then you really are delusional. Most good business owners treat all people equally well whether they like you or not. I would venture to say that most small businesses you go in are run by *** conservatives ***. The tax structure under repubs is a lot healthier. Sorry to disappoint.
“But tell me what was Bill doing that he let a foreign power blow a hole in the side of one of our aircraft carriers and he did nothing?”
Christ, you are truly an idiot, Grandma from Hell.
Timeline…..
October 2000 – an element of al Qaeda attacks the USS Cole. Please note that al Qaeda is a terrorist organization, not a foreign power and the Cole was not an air craft carrier.
January 2001 – Clinton leaves office.
March 2001 – The CIA confirms that al Qaeda was behind the Cole attack. Bush does NOTHING, saying that he does not want to be “swatting at flies.” Bush does nothing until after 9/11.
“Sorry to disappoint”
Well, I can assure you that if I knew your business, I would never darken your doorway.
Thank you Tracy. Back at ya dude!
And now for something completely different…
I remember in 04 when my hunting buddies were spreading the “kerry will take away our guns” meme.
I reminded them that with bushco’s record on the environment, the fish and game were going to disappear, and the only thing they would be shooting with their precious guns would be, as John Prine said “empty pop bottles was all we would kill”.
They looked at me with blank stares and just popped another beer…
But now I see the outdoor sporting community may finally see their error in supporting republicans.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070308/us_nm/climate_hunters_dc
… and you will continue to be the Grandma from Hell until you admit that you flat out lied.
Dear capt,
If you are “satisfied that Fitzgerald did as much as he could under the law,” then you have to admit that “under the law” an independent prosecutor was unable to find any wrong doing by any one in the Bush administration when it comes to ‘leaking Plame’s idenity’.
Under the ‘law’, there was no crime other than a process crime committed when Fitzgerald was questioning Libby in the grand jury.
Of course you’ld also have to admit that Fitzgerald not persueing the original ‘crime’ of leaking Plames identity was also all he could do “under the law”.
Are you really that desperate to find something against the Bush administration that you have to tie yourself up in such an illogical knot?
I guess you’ll have to admit then that “under the law”, as per Fotzgerald’s ‘investigation’ the actions of the Bush administration have been vindicated!
Love ya,
Hank
Correct, Frmgrrl.
That’s how Montana got a Democratic Gov.
The CON SPAWN wanted rich home owners to own the streams in front of their houses so the plebians couldn’t fish there any more.
Hank–
Fitzy couldn’t win against the covert operative law because he’d have to prove “intent.”
Intent is what is going through someone’s mind, impossible to prove.
So he did what he could.
Good on him.
And how about those WMD’s you were CERTAIN about?
Congrats Hank!**Oops…the free gifts have disappeared. dang it! oh well, you KNOW nothing in life is free, right? It was just a bit of humor anyhow. I was just trying to lighten things up a bit.
Back atcha Tracy… (smile)
“under the law” an independent prosecutor was unable to find any wrong doing”
kinda like ken starr spent over $50 million and couldnt find anything to charge Bill or Hillary with?
And that is for the purpose of bringing up KEN STARR not Clinton.
heheheheheh. I knew that would be next…
Bush Administration Vindicated!
Under the law, Fitzgerald did all he could do and he could find no crime associated with telling the truth about wilson and his wife.
After four years and several million dollars the independent prosecutor’s investigation has vindicated the Bush administration. “Under the law” no wrong doing was found!
I’m starting to really like you capt! Your perspective on this is really starting to cheer me up! After four years and millions of dollars you are happy with the small bone that Fitzgerald has thrown to you and the other mad dog liberals, even though it completely vindicates everyone else “under the law”!
Hank
Uh farmgirl,
Was it three or four counts of impeachment that Ken Star came up with?
I forget.
Hank
Come on, Hank, if you are going to say that Fitz was politically motivated, incompetent and wrong, then you HAVE to say the same about Starr.
You cannot argue both side of the equation.
Wait, that’s right, you’re a conservative. By definition, that means that you do not have to use facts to support your points.
Sorry, my bad.
Those would be the same articles of impeachment that Clinton was never convicted on?
Unlike scooter?
ken starr never could make a criminal case stick.
Unlike FITZ!
WS I never fail to be amazed at how much hate you carry in that body of yours. Hasn’t anyone ever told you that hate only hurts the person carrying it. The person you hate usually doesn’t even know it
So, Mr. Mayans and Mr. Brewer think that Wichita doesn’t get a “fair” share of lottery proceeds from the state. I interpret this as referring to funds to be received from the KIDF.
Two points I would like to make: the funds to be provided from the fund are for economic development, not maintenance of the status quo ante (which, insofar as I’ve been able to determine from my 27+ years in Wichita, passes for economic development); andto obtain the funds, application must be made therefor. Mr. Etheredge obviously figured this out, as an application was made for a grant in conjunction with Wild West World, and $15,000 was received.
I note from the article in today’s Eagle that the City EcoDevo officer feels that the State is treating Wichita fairly, with which Mr. Mayans disagrees.
People, people, people,
Do you really want to bring up Ken Starr and the Whitewater investigation? Really?
OK, let’s say that I believe the Clinton war room’s multi-million dollar ‘it-was-nothing-but-a-blowjob’ defense. (I don’t, but let’s say I do) You have to ignore the 33 convictions that were associated with the Whitewater investigation! Ken Starr was very sucessful in prosecuting the Arkansas gutter trash criminals associated with the Clintons!
Hank
If Ken Starr was so incompetent, explain again to me why Clinton lost his license to practice law.
I guess if you are a psycopath and a liar with no pride, like Clinton, you can’t be shamed!
Hank
Gotta go do some more chores, my ewes are lambing!
Continue to play nice while I’m gone!
Hank
So true VT. As I noted on the casino thread, the problem lies with local “leadership” (sic)
“WS I never fail to be amazed at how much hate you carry in that body of yours.”
Yep, Grandma from Hell, I hate lying conservatives that make stuff up.
Now, there are conservative that I get along well with. RM, for one, is a conservative but he doesn’t just make up his own facts to support his position. RM’s posts are thought out and if he is proven wrong, he concedes the point. I consider him to be a friend, although we have never met, and he deserves respect. There are few on this blog that I respect as much as RM.
Now someone like Fleetwood, for example, just makes stuff up – witness his statement that gays have equal rights in Kansas. He knows that is wrong, but he makes the statement anyway. He does not deserve respect.
Now you made up a flase claim about Bill Clinton. I proved you wrong yet you cling to your false statement. You will not admit that you were wrong. You do not deserve respect for that reason.
If you want to play on the blog, you better be prepared to back up your statements or someone will call you on it. If you fail to acknowledge your error, you will lose all credibility.
And that is what has happened with you, KSGrm – you made false statements but you refuse to acknowledge your error.
Heevie the Blog’s talking anus.
Dave “Golfnut” Khan is the Blog’s most despicable person.
And he proves it everyday.
“…witness his statement that gays have equal rights in Kansas.”
OK, after the marriage issue, which I conceded, I suspect there is nothing more. Otherwise, we would have gotten a list of things (farmgirl said there were TONS). You people keep dancing around it. If there are really TONS of equal rights that gays are not getting, I would expect to have heard them by now.I getting ready to put another “I win” plaque on the wall.Should I?
“If Ken Starr was so incompetent, explain again to me why Clinton lost his license to practice law.”
What a punishment I’m sure that get’s in the way of those six figure speaking fees.
I understand what you’re saying, Cap’n, but our philosophy is that the real power of the show comes from the callers.Witness the second segment of my show Tuesday, or James Barfield’s show Wednesday night.Monday night on his show, Bob Knight allegedly accused me of lying in my newspaper column this week, and urged his viewers to call in and call me on it.As you’ll recall, every single person who called agreed with my position that the issue isn’t the semantics of whether the votes on Chris Cherches’ compensation and the vote to sell state funded park land were “secret” or not, it’s the culture of elitism and exclusion being practiced on the 13th floor.
okay, fleet, let’s give this a shot…
Gays, under the law, cannot get married. Which means that they cannot get family insurance benefits… which is directly tied to, in many states, an inability to adopt a child – a same sex partner cannot even adopt a child that was biologically born to their partner… There is no protection against unfair employment policies – including, but not limited to, refusal to hire OR termination of employment for nothing more than their sexual orientation… would you like me to go on? Or can you stop being stupid now? Oh wait, I’m sorry, I forgot you can’t turn that off, my bad…
Geez, the vindictiveness is out in force today, i can’t even seem to keep myself from jumping in…
WSC: Thank you the unexpected kind words. I feel likewise toward you.
IIRC, Clinton was not disbarred. I believe he voluntary surrendered his ticket (for two years or some such), in lieu of disbarment, which is a fairly standard procedure in most states. Then, at the end of the period, whatever it may be on a case-by-case basis, that person can reapply and be readmitted in good standing, assuming s/he has done the required CLE hours, etc.
Hi rm – I tend to be with WSC – we disagree a lot but I think I would enjoy ‘fighting’ with you over a cold one! As we have discussed – you are on the right and i on the left but we are both in the “2/3 range” of the bell curve. I would put WSC there as well.
MrC – what did you say that got Knight so upset?
This probably should be on the “Scooter” thread, but since we got off on Fitzwater and Starr, etc., there’s something that isn’t clear to me. How does “Scooter”’s defense of “bad memory” fall through the slats, but Billary’s “forgetting” where the Rose Law Firm billing records for four years, only happening then to wind up “sitting on a table in plain sight” soar like an eagle? Just exactly what am I missing here?
oh, here fleet, another example for you – (kind of goes along with the whole marriage thing) they are not allowed inheritance, they are not allowed hospital visitation rights (ie – if someone was in ICU and only immediate family is allowed, a same sex partner would not be allowed) or decision to life rights (ie – when to pull the plug – say a gay person is estranged from their parents for, oh, 15 years – under current rights, their partner of those 15 years can NOT make a decision about life support, but their parents could…). Do you really need me to go on? Not to mention all the name calling (as GS has so graciously indulged us in the past) attacks, and general hatred that so many in this country express towards gays…
what’s that fleet? I can’t hear you? ….
No response?
In anticipation:
Yes, gays may execute wills, trusts, advance directives, and other instruments of like kind and nature to “get around” the impediment of no rights of inheritance, “pull the plug” decisions, but…
How many of you who are “hetero” have completed these instruments?
Further example: no right of a partner in a committed gay relationship to survivor Social Security Benefits which otherwise inure to a surviving spouse.
Wendy: I’ll be the first to scream that gays are discriminated against! It is heartbreaking, unethical, immoral….I could go on and on, describing the feelings I have about homophobes and their ilk. Having said that, with the exception of marriage group health insurance, everyone of the “wrongs” you have stated in your last post are actually very easily remedied by a few, inexpensive legal documents.
I have, many, many times visited unrelated males in ICU, and have never been turned away from seeing them…and these people would have no idea whatsoever why I was there, and never even asked.
What about this, Fitzgerald was handpicked by the Bush administration to look into the “alleged leak”, trump up a charge, fail to prosecute anyone for anything of substance, look like a failure, and therefore get everyone off of Cheney and Bush’s back. It’s a huge conspiracy which even the prosecutor was a part of.
I know it sounds crazy, but if the present administration will lie to get the country to go to war, I don’t think they would stop at manipulating the court’s for their own purpose.
But other than that, gays have equal rights, correct, Wendy?
I mean no one is dragging them out of a bar and tying them to a fence post right?
Whoops, that DID happen in Cheyene Wyoming.
Well, they are not chasing them down as they walk home after a night or drugging and drinking, right?
Whoops, that DID happen in Park City, Utah.
Well, the Christian Church supports their rights, correct?
Whoops, Fred Phelps, Ted Haggard, Terry Fox, Joe Wright and Jerry Falwell want to condemn them to Hell.
Jeez, I guess that gay citizens are treated unfairly by society in general and government in particular.
But Fleet says that they do have equal rights, so it’s all good.
Good points counselors. Which is why I support “union” to replace Caeser’s “marriage”
Hank, I’m not happy with it either.The act of lying under oath by such a top WH official speaks VOLUMES.I don’t care about legal schmeagle,but I do know right and wrong.It was plainly a smear campaign, in cover-up mode for the trumped up intel.The charges should be much worse and the guy(s) scoots is protecting.The evidence of what is REALLY going on is right there in Cheney’s own writing, all over the newspaper article, office memos, etc.
And face it guys, a meteor couldn’t penetrate the White House.We’ll never see the real criminals in court.I kinda feel sorry for scooter, but damn, he HAD to know what could happen.
Regardless of public opinion or legalities, President Cheney is going to pardon Scooby Doo ar some point in the future – it is only a matter of time.
On a related note, Barack Obama found out that his blind trust had invested in a company that present a conflict of interest to him. It was small potatoes – avian flu vaccines – but he IMMEDIATELY dumped the stock at a loss of $13,000.
Granted that is not a large sum, but he did the right thing.
In the meantime, Cheney’s remumeration from Haliburton continues based on their performance.
18 U.S.C. 1503(a) — Obstruction of Justice(a) Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, endeavors to influence, intimidate, or impede any grand or petit juror, or officer in or of any court of the United States, or officer who may be serving at any examination or other proceeding before any United States magistrate judge or other committing magistrate, in the discharge of his duty, or injures any such grand or petit juror in his person or property on account of any verdict or indictment assented to by him, or on account of his being or having been such juror, or injures any such officer, magistrate judge, or other committing magistrate in his person or property on account of the performance of his official duties, or corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b)[.]
Heevie no doubt had gay ancestry.
Whoa, WS, calm down there, I was pointing those things out to fleet (and if you notice, in my second post, even touched on the name-calling and attacks) I realize, from reading your post, that you are not directing the anger at me, but that could be taken that way by others who don’t read so closely, and I would hate for them to try to get more fuel to their fire…
And rm, you are correct, many of these things are correctable, although if a family decided to make a big legal battle out of it, may not hold up in court, as we have seen before – but fleet was just asking for examples of how gays were discriminated against and i thought i would throw him a few (and the examples I gave were ones that gays would have to follow legal avenues to insure, whereas a heterosexual couple is automatically granted them, so could therefore be interpreted as a form of discrimination, don’t you agree?)
“and I would hate for them to try to get more fuel to their fire…”
My apologies, Ms. Wendy. I guess that Fleet and his “gays DO have equal right” schtick is fodder for anger.
As for Dave Khan, he chooses to be hetro every morning – except on those days that he chooses NOT to be hetro.
It must be a real pain in the ass (no pun intended) to have to choose every day.
Ta ra ra bomdeay
Did you get yours today?
I got mine yesterday.
That’s why I walk this way.
Homos have the same rights as me too. Why give them extra? I can’t marry a man either.
Wow! You take the award for today, SOB, the dumbest post so far.
Dang, somehow, you beat Fleet.
You might want to watch it; Fleet is very proud of his BDP status.
OMG, someone call guiness book of world records, someone dumber than fleet DOES exist!!!
Man, I apologize, I just can’t seem to help myself today – the smartass is just begging to be let out :)
“I can’t marry a man either. “Well, WS, isn’t that a true statement?
Congrats to WSClark to being the dumbest, fatest, oldest, bitterist, laziest, traitorist, fartbag.
Well, that’s not necessary SOB.But, that statement is true (marrying a man)
Agreed.Heevie no doubts has some intellectual dementia on figuring out what SOB meant on (marrying a man)
Must be all that alcohol and drugs.
Kahn!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trace: Old buddy, your points are well made … but really, wasn’t Billary “higher up in the White House” than “Scooter”?
Thank you (finally) with some answers to my questions. It does sound like the only thing gays are missing is the marriage issue. Everything else mentioned leads from that, but, as has been noted, can be gotten around with some simple(?) legal papers. Is that about right? Marriage? And that’s all?
As far as the other things listed, beatings, killings, people being mean, those don’t go to the civil rights issue. The constitution already has those covered. We are not protected from being killed or beaten.
Do I have it right?
So what do you boys have against gays being allowed to marry? Does it threaten your marriage? Why would YOUR marriage be threatened by someone else’s marriage?
Are you guys a little insecure about your own masculinity? Kind of tempted by the gay sex forbidden (no pun intended)fruit?
Why so afraid of what someone else does in the privacy of their own bedrooms?
Jeez, I am as straight as any man and I have never been threatened by some one else’s relationship…. doesn’t matter to me who you f*ck.
You boys might want to see a counselor down at Exodus. I have heard that they can help you out.
So, Fleet why are you against gay marriage?
Why should it make a difference to you?
Feeling a little……. insecure?
WOW WSC, Ya’ ever seen so many macho men who are threatened by what somebody else does with their own weenie?Damn guys, it’s their life.They can shower with anybody they want, and it’s also their soap.They can wash their weiners as fast as they want with that soap and it doesn’t bother me a bit.I shower alone, or with my wife.
This has been one helluva big happy (gay) thread.
WS~ you sell me (us) short.It’s not about ‘feeling threatened’, that is a ridiculus stance.It is about granting granting special rights to small groups.I am not allowed to marry a man. I am not allowed to marry a dog. I am not allowed to marry my married neighbor.There are limits on what society allows.
Simple. Having these queers being “married” only adds to the downfall of our civilization. You queer-lovers like it that way? Move to the Netherlands.
Speaking of high in the white house….I remember when Abbey Hoffman attended a white house party, with Amy Carter, I believe.Gotta love Abbey, God rest his yippie soul.The secret service caught him trying to dunk a thousand mics of LSD into the punch bowl.Abbey was a damned fine American patriot, we need more like him.
Let’s just do away with sex classification. That way you can have perverts like Heevie in the same restroom as a three year old female.
Good luck on that you SOB.Instead of worrying about it,just become a lesbian.After I found out what they do for fun, I decided I was born a lesbian cause we like the same things.Hey, bartender!A couple of brewskies for me and my lesbian friend SOB over here.
I see what our stewpud troll thinks about.Diaper fantasies, weirdo?
Tracy~ Had he been successful, I would have bought that video tape!
Tracy,
Please rework that attempt at humor. Nobody got it.
WoofClark – I’ve got a question for you.
Do you support incestous marriages also?
Like betwixt mother and son, or brother and sister.
If not – why?
“There are limits on what society allows.”
Why should who you love and want to be with be any of society’s concern?
Until the Sixties, it was illegal in some states for a white woman and black man to marry.
Should we go back to those days?
What if society decides that ugly people cannot marry? Are you okay with that? How about IQ tests?
Where should we draw the line?
“Do you support incestous marriages also?”
Is THAT your argument against gay marriage?
Damn, you need to do a whole lot better than that.
Why would a marriage between two men or two women have ANY effect on anyone else?
Answer that.
What!? Since when can crackers and niggers get hitched? Damnit!
Answer my question, Woof….
Actually, fleet, if you read my response to RM – you will see that your generalization that “marriage is all they don’t get” is WRONG – they can also be discriminated against in the workforce – and while yes, some of those items I listed can be remedied by legal documents – my point was more along the line of heterosexual couples do NOT have to file those documents in order to recieve those benefits and or options, whereas homosexual couples do, and isn’t that ALSO a form of discrimination? Yes, much of what they are limited to is tied up in the marriage laws, but not all…
I don’t see the big debate anyways – why shouldn’t they have the right to marry? Why should it be any of the government’s business who marries whom? It shouldn’t, plain and simple…
as my favorite comedian, Richard Jeni, says “they should have the same right to lose half their sh** as the rest of us!”
Based on your earlier comments on the issue, I think we would not like to hear anymore from you GSheridan.
“..they can also be discriminated against in the workforce”
Do tell? Pleased to be proving it? ‘Cause I be doubting.
“Answer my question, Woof….”
Answer my question, GBitch.
I never suggested that brothers and sisters, mothers and sons should marry.
I stated that two unrelated people of consensual age should be allowed the priviledge of marriage.
Don’t try to twist my words to titilliate the right wing goon squad led by Fleet and SOB.
I’m sorry, folks. I don’t know why … but I’m thinking (that’s to these many anti-gay marriage inputs) that you’all are threatened … with something or other. Why the hell should it make a damned bit of difference to you. OK, let’s try this: You, a straight married person, would jump in front of bullet for your wife/husband. You would jump in front of a bullet for your children. Would you do less for your best friend? I would. Soldiers jump on grenades all the time for their squad mates. Surely, every one of their squad mates is not their even best friend. Are you threatened…or just cowards?
I diagree with you JR. Let GSheridan speak. You see, this blog is for all.
“Why would a marriage between two men or two women have ANY effect on anyone else?”
Because it opens up a whole can of worms on gender specification. Someone, somewhere will (if gay marriage is allowed) make yet another ACLU lawsuit that there should be no such thing as gender preference or marital preference under the law.
No more men’s or women’s club, no more girls dressing room, no more women’s restrooms.
Before they get started on that lawsuit the will find themselves some lawyers and sue that marriage laws are unconstitutional and the tax considerations given to marriage people violate same gender unions.
Oh wait, they have already started suing under the last premise.
WSC: It’s such a stupid question that GS posted, I wouldn’t even bother to defend it!
I feel my great country is threatened if we keep allowing this kind of immorality
“I stated that two unrelated people of consensual age should be allowed the priviledge of marriage.”
So, now you are setting rules, ws?
Wendy: Carlin said he was for gay marriage because “he thought gay people should have the right to be just as miserable as the rest of us!” I love it! :)
This is Fleettwood…..
Watch this,
“Hey, ws! You are a traitor and should be hung”.
Posted by: fleettwood | January 12, 2007 at 06:54 PM
… and he wonders why he has earned the disgust of most every poster on this Blog.
Ya know? With the real virulent anti gay folk, you often eventually find out those folks are gay themselves.
Foley, Haggard, Phelps, and Coulter spring to mind.
One wonders if GSHeridan had some life experiences at her boarding school that color her perspective in this matter. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Except the externalized self hatred I mean.
Care to share GSheri? Truth will set you free.
SOB: I feel that the fact that people like you are allowed to inhale oxygen that some deserving person here might need is threatening our great country. So what?
Boy has this thread gone downhill today. I thought it was a place to go for discussion of real issues. I feel very threatened by the raw hatred out there. Who ever said everyone had to agree with everyone else’s opinion. There were some well thought out discussions early this morning but as ususal it came down to a screaming match about either gays or Christianity.
Are these the only two issues people are concerned with?
Can’t we have a discussion about real issues without bringing up these topics?
rm – my question isn’t stupid – no question that asks us to search our belief system should be considered stupid.
And the scientific truth IS – there is little, if any, medical problems associated with incestuous couplings that result in offspring anymore.
But, there is a cultural ‘gross out’ factor involved.
While I am NOT opposed to gay marriages, I think it behooves all of us to try and see how others feel.
There are those (good folks) who find the same ‘ick’ factor in gay marriage that you do in incestuous marriages.
A little tolerance for their point of view is appreciated.
WS drew my attention with all that ‘weinie’ talk.
I was seriously going to ask him if he supported NAMBLA after that.
Yuk.
We are descending into to Elementary School plaground name-calling.
WS~ is it not the duty of our elected officials to determine limits?
I MUST correct myself…………. Our elected officials spend way too much time establishing limits.
It’s just that SOME limit’s we agree with and some we don’t.
Libertarians hear me roar.
I had a LOT of life experiences at my school, JR, none of them sexual, however.
Why does it make you so uncomfortable if I pose a question?
I thought you were liberal? With it?
I guess I was wrong.
Yep,
J R and Heevie definitely have homosexual tendencies. Two unmarried men constantly defending Gay rights.
I think they should get together for some loving.
Or do they already? :)
“So, now you are setting rules, ws?”
Damn right I am, Fleet Idiot. As a citizen of this country I am using my perogative as a voter to express my opposition to bigotry. When I vote, I will not vote for bigots, racists and others that I feel are in opposition to what I consider to be a fair society that gives equality to all citizens.
WTF? Are there TWO tyler durdens?
Cause this guy, with 1000 posts at DU, doesnt sound like our little bushbot!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×370240
“WS drew my attention with all that ‘weinie’ talk.”
Copy and paste my weinie talk, GBitch – you won’t find any.
Ok, WS, I respect that. But, am I allowed to marry my married neighbor? Or, my sister?
So, we do set rules, we are just differing on where that line is drawn.What about my neighbor or sister? What side of the line is that?
“J R and Heevie definitely have homosexual tendencies. Two unmarried men constantly defending Gay rights.”
Nice try, Dave. I am not a woman, but I support women’s rights. I am not disabled, but I support the rights of disabled Americans.
The list goes on.
I even support the rights of fat, two faced “businessmen” with bad breath.
“If I had my wayyyyyyyyyy I’d have all of them shot!”
“that I feel are in opposition to what I consider to be a fair society that gives equality to all citizens.”
WS~ this isn’t about equality. I am not allowed to marry a man either. It’s equal across the board. Nobody, no how. Nothing discriminatory about that.The problem comes by granting special exceptions. And, where does that stop? With my neighbor or sister?
Hey fleetie, this one is for YOU!
BREAKING: Senate Dems announce BINDING joint resolution to force Bush to begin withdrawal of combat troops in 120 days
From Senator Reid:
It contains binding language to direct the President to transition the mission for U.S. forces in Iraq and begin their phased redeployment within one-hundred twenty days with a goal of redeploying all combat forces by March 31, 2008. A limited number of troops would remain for the purposes of force protection, training and equipping Iraqi troops, and targeted counter-terror options. A full description of the Reid Joint Resolution is attached to this release.
The Democrats are for getting us the hell out. The Republicans are for the slow bleed. Let the voters decide in November 2008 who was right and who was wrong.
Details of Dem resolution:
http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=2703...http://americablog.blogspot.com/2007/03/breaking-senate...
Let’s see if the republicans block it!
Heevie,
Just saying that you and J R are joined at the hip when it comes to talking about Gay rights. Maybe it is because you want to be joined at both hips? :)
Watsa matter now, does the thought of being attracted to J R scare you a little bit.
Are you homophobic and can’t release your inner Gay?
WSClark: Can I have your cat’s paw in marriage?
I’m gonna show how really uninformed I am by asking this question. I’ve heard (and wonder if it’s true) that common law marriage is accomplished by 1) a period of time, 2) a couple representing themselves as married. So, if above is true, could a couple of men or women be married under common law? Sure would make everything simple. Guess since there is a controversy it must be another place they would be treated differently.
RM – I would jump in front of a bullet for my best friend without a second thought about it…
for the purposes of your poll…
and you want concrete proof regarding discrimination in employement, fleet?
Check out these websites, and then you let me know, okay?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_empl1.htm
http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=Home&CONTENTID=27749&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm
http://www.springerlink.com/content/tv13r69264v47n33/
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_empl2.htm
“The problem comes by granting special exceptions”
Medical science has determined that homosexuality is something that an individual is born with – like race or gender.
Why should someone that is born gay or African American be denied the right to marry the person of their choice.
Would you support banning interracial marriages? Would you support banning marriages between Jews and Gentiles?
If not, why would you support a ban on gay marriage?
Sanford, you are insane.
If gay marriage were legal, you would not be discriminated against.
you too would be allowed to marry a man. No one would forbid you from it.
Big eye roll here.
Some of these arguements sound suspiciously like rick “man on dog” santorum and that famous blog bigot tm.
The two squirrels outside my window have been together for a long time….I think they’re married.
Hmm…… good question Linda.
Linda, no, a common law relationship cannot be established as between two members of the same sex.
“WSClark: Can I have your cat’s paw in marriage?”
My cat would not have you SOB. She has taste.
Besides, SOB, she is a lot smarter than you – it just would not work out.
cat’s paw in marriage?
Can you say consenting adults?
Can cats, or dogs, or german shepards enter into contracts?
The rampant hate and ignorance in here is really “coming out” today.
Little miss homophobe must be ever so proud.
“Let’s see if the republicans block it!”
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | March 08, 2007 at 04:50 PM
I hope they do block it. Why you ask? Because for one they promised General Petrais (or however it is spelled… that they would give him an opportunity to do the job.
Also, putting a specified time on a withdrawal is specifically letting terrorist know when to attack the remaining soldiers. The Congress if they pass this will be committing an act of murder on US troops.
Thanks, VT. Sure wish it could be the solution and end the discrimination.
You are denying my happiness to not be allowed to marry you cat. You hater.
“Short notice obviously, boy. Nice try, though.
But as I said, take it private, via e-mail, I’m not going to play a blog game with you.
Posted by: WSClark | January 12, 2007 at 06:41 PM
Looks like ws has flipped again.Watch this,
“Hey, ws! You are a traitor and should be hung”.
Posted by: fleettwood | January 12, 2007 at 06:54 PM”
It took me a while, but I found it. It’s the “WE Blog Meet-up” thread. Over 300 posts. This was the day that ws was in (not so) rare form. The foam from his mouth was flying. Ready for a fight with anyone the sharp stick. It was something to see. Please note that ws failed to copy the first part of my post.The part that would put it all into context:
“Looks like ws has flipped again.Watch this,
“Hey, ws! You are a traitor and should be hung”.”
Wonder why he didn’t copy all of it. hmmmmm
You were crazy in the head then, too.
GS: Show me medical evidence that brother-sister marriages fail to produce congenitally disadvantaged offspring…or that you have not been to Arkansas since at least 1960.
“Medical science has determined that homosexuality is something that an individual is born with – like race or gender.”
Really Heevie?
Show me this Genetic Science that has been proven and accepted.
Explain to me how this trait characteristics are passed down.
You guys are missing my point….Our gov’t currently draws a line on who can marry whom.Ok, fine.You guys are wanting to move that line. Ok, that’s fine, too.But, why stop that movement there? Why just move it one slot?
True ‘equality for all’ would be to erase any line completely.There would be no restrictions on any marraige by anyone with anyone/thing.
That is the flaw in your philosophy. Either remove it comepletely, or stop justifying exceptions to where it is.
Farmgirl what you just posted is scary. To think of our foreign policy being voted in by the senate or house bring up an awful image. There would then be no need for a prez. All of the power goes to the congress and senate. No commander in chief needed.
Just the whips on both sides to exert pressure. “You vote to send men to Samolia and I will vote to send men to Darfur.”
I can see it now. This will never happen and if it does it will be a sad day in our country.
“You are denying my happiness to not be allowed to marry you cat. You hater.”
My cat would have to CONSENT to the marriage, SOB. This is not Saudi Arabia. She does not like bigots and fools. She is quite particular.
And, as I said, she is much smarter than you. Marriages between partners of greatly different intelligence levels never work out.
Furthermore, she is already married to Duke.
Duke is a black Siamese and he could easily kick your ass.
Hey Sanford, notice I did not argue that – in fact, i believe my EXACT words were “I don’t see the big debate anyways – why shouldn’t they have the right to marry? Why should it be any of the government’s business who marries whom? It shouldn’t, plain and simple… ”
Hmmmm, perhaps you would like to rethink your question?
“Show me this Genetic Science that has been proven and accepted.”
Now I know that RepubliKhan is KSGolfnut.
Golfnut is the only poster here that has claimed that gays choose to be homosexual.
Even Fleetwood is not that stupid.
heeheeheeheeheheeheehee.
Once again a stupid lib has been drawn into a stupid conversation. This time about marrying a cat. You dope. You moron. You fell for it. Bloggers really DO suck.
Say it…”expecially YOU SOB!”
Wendy~ I was addressing WS.But, I will ask you, should I be allowed to marry my sister, and/or my married neighbor?
………. and your point is, Fleet Idiot?
I claim that fags choose to be fags too.
I am howling ws.
It must be hard on khanutz to be rejected by BOTH sexes.
No wonder he has to chose every day. There isnt a market for homer arafat ANYWHERE.
No wonder he spends so much time on line.
rockl? is that you?
For Christ’s sake, Sanford. We are not talking about you marrying your sister.
We are talking about two unrelated consensual adults being allowed the same priviledge as you are.
They are born that way – why should that be held against them?
Why can’t they have the same rights as you have?
“I claim that fags choose to be fags too.”
Do you make that choice on a daily basis, SOB? Do you choose to be a hetrosexual every morning?
What are the odds that you will choose to be hetro tomorrow morning?
50 – 50?
you know for folks like sanford with a real need to be superior to someone, anyone…
…equal rights mean special rights
he/she doesnt want gay people to be equal
to whom would sanford be superior if gays had equal rights?
Why yes clarkie, yes I do. I’m not a fracking freak so that choice is easy to make. Perhaps that choice is not so easy for the likes of you.
Sounds to me like WSClark is a pole smoker.
WS~ You are being intellectually lazy.
1st- When it comes to whom one can marry, gays have the exact same rights as you and I.
2nd- Why is ‘unrelated’ the stopping point of moving that line, on which you hang your hat (argument). Why is that criteria your dividing line?
Damn, this is a funny thread. SOB and Dave Kahn claim to CHOOSE to be hetrosexual every morning. They acknowledge, by the fact that they make a choice, that there is the possibility that they may choose to be gay on any given day.
Then there are people like me that were born hetrosexual, but have no problem with people that were born homosexual.
Damn, this is one funny thread.
I have to wonder what it is about gay folks that makes people like SOB and Khan so NERVOUS?
“1st- When it comes to whom one can marry, gays have the exact same rights as you and I.”
Do you mean that the law has changed and now gays can marry the people that they love?
Farmie~~~~ Check the transcript…..I’m saying that if we move the requirements, why not eliminate them? Isn’t that the extension of the same thing you and WS are advocating?Of course it is. I ain’t got no problem with that, but, you must be honest with youself and your advocacies.
Come on Heevie,
Show me the Genetic Proof about race and homosexuality.
Call up an Anthropologist at WSU if you want, I’m sure they have several of those around there.
Call a certified Geneticist. I don’t care…
Backupyourclaim
Not nervous, just sickened and sick of seeing “progressive” crap like this even being considered.
WS I have tried to change the subject but you seem to want to beat it to death. What I am really tired of is you acting like the most tolerant person on the blog when in reality you are the most prejudicial person I have ever came across bar none.
Maybe whats wrong is that your words are getting in the way of that tolerant image you are trying to sell us on.
We must be honest with a jerk who says cats getting married is equal to gays getting married?
We must be honest with a guy who HOWLS about tricking libs into a conversation?
Now why, as Tracy says, in the wild wild world of sports would I discuss ANYTHING with you?
You are certainly no arbiter of morality and conscience here. If clark wants to lower himself to talk with you, that is his choice.
As for me? Is there a gnat in here?
“Isn’t that the extension of the same thing you and WS are advocating?”
No.
Stop trying to change the argument.
The point was that gays should have the same rights as everyone else. Don’t try to get cute with the “gays have the same rights as I do to marry someone of the opposite sex” routine.
It wasn’t funny the first time you tried it.
What do you have against gays, Sanford? Why do they make you nervous?
No ksgrm,
Heevie is an asshole and that is his own words which he has written many times.
Haven’t you Heevie?
“Do you mean that the law has changed and now gays can marry the people that they love?”
Come on, WS. The law has not changed, and you know it. Changing the law is what you want.
“marry the people that they love?” So, has that become your criteria for a legal marriage? Fine, no prob with that. But, I LOVE my married neighbor. Ponderous, man, ponderous.
I smell a pig. Hey! It’s ksfarmsow! Squeeeeeek!
Go marry your stall-mate the goat.
Pitiful, just pitiful
“………. and your point is, Fleet Idiot?”
The point is that you were going nuts and I was just trying to help. Like this:
ws, you are a traiter and should be hung.
“What I am really tired of is you acting like the most tolerant person on the blog when in reality you are the most prejudicial person I have ever came across bar none.”
I am very tolerant, Grandma from Hell. Very tolerant.
I just have no tolerance for folks that make up their own facts and allow their own prejudice to color their thoughts.
(Sarcasm on.)
Of course, you have NEVER been wrong, Grandma, so you have no reason to EVER admit a mistake.
(Sarcasm off.)
Now that we know that it is only marriage that gays want and that their civil rights are not being destroyed (by the TON) as farmie sez. I will go ahead a place my “I win” plaque on the wall with all the others. Thank you.
Obviously, Sanford, you are not going to take the adult approach and answer the question as to why gays should not be allowed to marry.
A gay marriage would have no effect on you, but you are content to deny rights to others because they live a lifestyle different than yours.
God help you if the bastards ever decide to deny YOU your civil rights.
A while ago, some curious person was asking about descrimination against gays in Kansas.
According to KS statute we cannot discriminate on the basis of of “race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, disability or political affiliation or belief.”
http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/getStatuteFile.do?number=/44-1406.html
I have heard, and believe it true, that employment discrimination due to sexual orientation is not specifically proscribed by Kansas Statute.
Here is a long list of employment discrimination legislation in KS -(over 1,000 – I have not gone thru all of the them):
http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-statutes/searchKeyword.do
And marriage is not a civil right, Fleet Idiot?
Why are you threatened by a gay marriage, Fleet?
Jealous?
As usual, you might be a little premature with that plaque. See the above post.
WS, I think if you check back I have on ocassion admitted when I was wrong. Have you ever? Because I don’t know any perfect people including you who is always right.
ws- You are the one who was placing limits on marriage.
“I stated that two unrelated people of consensual age should be allowed the priviledge of marriage.”
So which is it?
And do self awarded plaques have much meaning? Somehow your standards of judging might not be too high — I am thinking…
Come on Heevie you haven’t proven your claim about the genetics of race and homosexuality.
Evidently Heevie’s homosexual tendencies is outweighing his ability to think with clarity on the matter.
“WS, I think if you check back I have on ocassion admitted when I was wrong.”
Did you admit that you were wrong about President Clinton and the USS Cole attack?
If not, then STFU.
“And marriage is not a civil right, Fleet Idiot?”
If you will recall, I asked what else, other than marriage, was being denied. The answer, after a lot of dancing, was nothing. I will continue with the plaque placing ceremony.
“Evidently Heevie’s homosexual tendencies is outweighing his ability to think with clarity on the matter.”
How childish. When in doubt, accuse someone of being a “faggot.”
Heevie won’t answer a question he’s wrong on, he’ll just get all flustered and start swearing going ballistic like he did in the MeetUp post.
Such a sad, sad little man with homosexual tendencies refusing to admit it to himself.
We’ll probably see a thread tomorrow on the Dems’ plan to get our troops out of Iraq by Aug 08. Through defunding.
Cheney and his mouthpiece Shrub did a great job in the past of propagandizing such proposals as being against our troops–until it was revealed that they don’t give a whit about our permanently injured veterans, i.e. our troops. Like WMD as the reason we had to invade Iraq, their version of “supporting our troops” has proved to be fraudulent.
If they had at least had the conservative compassion and smarts to give first-class care to our war-wounded and crippled, they’d have some credibility on the issue of supporting our troops. Unfortunately, they discredited themselves on this point and proved themselves to be be sociopathic manipulators.
Time to bring our boys (and girls) home.
“The answer, after a lot of dancing, was nothing.”
Marriage is not exactly nothing Fleet Idiot, but you SAID that gays had equal rights.
Where you LYING?
Ahhhh,
Heevie has been Coulterized…he’s using the other “F” word.
No doubt he longs for Ann Coulter too.
But it still doesn’t explain why he won’t explain the genetics behind race and homosexuality.
Ok, the Libs have descended into the name-calling basement. What else can they do when confronted with reason?
Good day to you. I said good day!
Hey, Dave Khan, YOU and SOB are the ones that have to CHOOSE to be straight each morning, by your own admission.
I already said that I am hetrosexual and I do not need to make any choices.
Like I said, if you have to make a choice, then it is a 50/50 proposition for you.
“Hey, Dave Khan, YOU and SOB are the ones that have to CHOOSE to be straight each morning, by your own admission.”
Point me to the post where either one of wrote that Heevie.
It was you and KSfarmLes that wrote that assertion, so both of you must have “the gene”…
And prove your assertion about genetics being associated with race and homosexuality.
Come on now, stop side stepping.
Sanford is cool with Right Wing name calling, but is really sensative about Left Wing name calling.
It causes such distress that he is unable to answer simple questions.
We are hoping that his primary physician can help him with this issue without calling in a mental health professional.
Let it be known that Heevie (WSClark) refuses to answer the question on the race and homosexual gene matter.
He will forever be reminded of this.
Ya know?
If I was Hank or Nathan or Heckler or Outlander or GMC any of the other conservative bloggers here? I’d be really embarrassed and angry that folks like fleetwood, Sanford, RepubliKhan etc, post here. I’d be hoping against hope that they would stop.
This blog is read by an awful lot of people. MOST of them fall somewhere in the middle politically. Such folk must look at posts from folks like fleet and SOB, Khan and GSheridan and come away with a really negative view of conservatives.
I say bring it on!
You TRULY define the sick hearts and minds of conservatives!
“Let it be known that Heevie (WSClark) refuses to answer the question on the race and homosexual gene matter.”
So are you saying, Dave, that RACE is a choice? Are you saying that genetically that there are no differences?
Where do you pull this stuff from, Dave Nut?
Your the one Heevie that brought up race and homosexuality in the same sentence.
So let’s see some proof and stop side stepping.
You are absolutely correct, J R. I can discuss with RM and Hank without any name calling or stupid insults.
The moment that GolfKhan and his friend Fleet show up, the whole complexion of the thread changed – as witnessed by the above exchange.
Folks like the Grandma from Hell fail to understand that you cannot just make up your own facts like Fleet and SOB.
It is too bad. I love a good debate, but a Jr. High School insult accusing me being gay is really is really beyond the pale.
But, I also love kicking Neocon ass, so let the games begin!
J R
Who the heck said I was conservative? Get your facts straight nimnoy.
Genetically, Dave, a persons race is determined by genes. To suggest that it is anything else is mindboggling.
Do you really think that race is anything OTHER than genetic?
And if race is genetic, why would you think that sexuality is any different?
Has anyone noticed, that several hours ago, I asked a couple of questions —- neither one have been addressed? I’m getting real tired of dealing with morons.
You’re still side stepping the question Heevie now aren’t you?
You linked race and homosexuality in the same sentence as being inherited traits.
Either all of your sentence if false, part of it is false or it is correct.
And if you claim the sentence is entirely correct,
PROVEYOURASSERTIONS
LET’SSEESOMEDOCUMENTEDIRREFUTABLEFACTS
Just out of curiousity, Dave Khan, why would anyone CHOOSE to be gay, given the discrimination that is present in society?
Read the article and give us a book report.
http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html
“Why the hell should it make a damned bit of difference to you. OK, let’s try this: You, a straight married person, would jump in front of bullet for your wife/husband. You would jump in front of a bullet for your children. Would you do less for your best friend?”
Honestly, I do not have the faintest idea why it should matter to anyone, RM.
To be really frank about it, since I am twice married and twice divorced, I am not sure why ANYONE would want to be married, but my a-parents were married for 67 years and my b-grandparents were married for 54.
It works for some, just not me. I am hoping that my optomotrist can help me with this wandering eye problem – the ladies just seem to call to me.
Interesting opinion from the psychology view, but it doesn’t answer your statement about race and homosexuality being genetic traits.
As the author puts in his last paragraph.
“…no one theory or experiment leads to a definitive answer.”
Buzzzzzzz!
Try again Heebie…
WS since you are such a truth teller I thought you might be interested in the following.
“Bad news in April for Dr. Dean Hamer, the father of the gay gene. Canadian researchers, attempting to duplicate his findings regarding genetic marker Xq28, found that 52 pairs of gay brothers did not share a marker or mutation at this site.
In 1993 Dean Hamer got nationwide fame by claiming to have found the gay gene. “Two brothers, clean-cut, good-looking, athletic … and gay. Were they born that way or was it something in their upbringing? Dean Hamer and a team of scientific colleagues set out to find the answer. Their discovery of a gene marker linked to male homosexuality made headlines around the world.” (Book jacket for Hamer and Copeland’s the science of desire). The study was filled with statistical and procedural problems (such as the lack of a control group).”
http://home.mindspring.com/~katrap/LAGAI/genetics-2.htm
It seems the gene he thought he had found didn’t exist. Now I don’t care one way or the other but I am sick of you calling everyone else liars when you wouldn’t know the truth if it looked you in the face.
Really, you do NOT consider race to be a genetic trait, Dave Golf?
Really.
There is no point in this discussion if you consider race to be anything other than genetic.
BTW – You obviously did not read the article.
J R,The other benefit of those posters you mention, is that I cannot think of better examples as to why gays and lesibians should be given legally protected status when it comes to employment.
Their ignorance and bigotry makes that argument in an offensive, but none-the-less very strong, way.
Sanford is cool with Right Wing name calling, but is really sensative about Left Wing name calling.
It causes such distress that he is unable to answer simple questions.
We are hoping that his primary physician can help him with this issue without calling in a mental health professional.”
Ws~ I have not called names. I have spent all afternoon offering sane, logical, discussion.
And, I have answered every question you have posed to me. Maybe, you didn’t like my answer, but, I did answer it.
Your credibility, in my book, is taking a hit on this one.
I appreciate your defense from the racial attack a few hours ago, based on my name, in the wetlands blog, but ………. what you say above is simply not true.
How is it going with that Clinton was busy lying to the Grand Jury theory of your, Grandma from Hell?
Other than the fact that Cole attack happened three years later, you are doing great. Any minute now, I expect that you will have some (bullshit) thing to back up your contention.
BTW – Why didn’t your hero GWB do something about the Cole incident?
No, he didn’t. Not at all. I’m not about to get in the argument of whether race or homosexuality is “chosen”. That is absurd, on both fronts. He doesn’t have to prove a damned thing, you do — and you can’t. It’s an idiotic argument, and, I’m sorry to say. it figures.
“Your credibility, in my book, is taking a hit on this one.”
So what is your opposition to gay marriage, Sanford?
They were born that way – just like me and you – so why can’t they marry if they choose?
I’m a little tired of this overuse of the racial slur “heb” “heebie” “heevie” etc.
Does anyone else feel this way?
I’m of the opinion that “RepubliKhan” is just another incarnation of a particularly bothersome poster. And I DON’T think this person limits themself to one nic in the pursuit of his being a disruption here.
I would like the editors to look into the IP of “RepubliKhan” and consider blocking him from participating here. I don’t do this lightly. Regular posters know I have never made such a call before. But in the case of this person I think it justified.
Even Ian had an intelligent thought now and again. With “RepubliKhan” this is not the case.
Anybody else feel like we could do without this clown?
Sorry to repeat myself, but……….
“You guys are missing my point….Our gov’t currently draws a line on who can marry whom.Ok, fine.You guys are wanting to move that line. Ok, that’s fine, too.But, why stop that movement there? Why just move it one slot?
True ‘equality for all’ would be to erase any line completely.There would be no restrictions on any marraige by anyone with anyone/thing.
That is the flaw in your philosophy. Either remove it comepletely, or stop justifying exceptions to where it is.
Posted by: Sanford | March 08, 2007 at 04:59 PM “
Yep! Got my vote, buddy!
Dang I don’t even know where to start.
For one, four hours isn’t nearly long enough sleep.
JR, I’m sorry you’re disappointed in me, but that’s ok, you’ll get over it.
I don’t give a darn who gets married as long as they can verbally consent and are adults.
GS was right, it’s been proven there is not a bigger risks for genetic worries.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/04/columns/fl.grossman.incest.04.09/
But it is just icky. There have been cousins and sisters who never even knew they were related through adoptions. We should leave the personal beliefs out of it though- don’t marry your cousin if you don’t want to!
WS because your boy Bill spent 8 years doing absolutely nothing for his country but let them be attacked at every avenue. Why should GWB do anything now. He has two years left. Maybe he’ll do something before he leaves the white house.
Tell me again other that being the first black president and the greatest prez ever, what did Billy Boy do that will go in the history books. He inherited a good economy which was in a recession when he left. The unemployment picture was worse when he left than when he came. The market tanked under him and is just now recovering under Bush. Now what exactly did Billy boy do?
Where is that gay gene? You said it existed. Where is it?
JR I’ve been wanting moderation on this board, but apparently that wasn’t what the rest of the group wants, according to the blogger meet up.
I am too disgusted with the racial slurs.
“Medical science has determined that homosexuality is something that an individual is born with – like race or gender.”
That’s your statement Heevie, not mine.
And yes I read the article. Obviously, you cannot speed read or comprehend what you read even if you could. The same scientist in the post that ksgrm mentions in her post is the same scientist referenced in the article with the link you provided.
Now, Heevie where is your proof?
And how come KSfarmles ain’t on this conversation? You would expect her to be some sort of expert on homosexual genetics.
Maybe she knows that homosexuality is not caused from genetic traits?
Come on Heevie, let’s see your proof.
See ksgrm’s 06:32 PM post for all of the reasons that discussing reality with her is a complete waste of time.
Some responsible person needs to take that keyboard away from granny.
Will somebody call SRS, already!
JR while you are reporting – report WS because I have told him several times that I am offended by the tag ‘grandma from hell’ and he insists on keeping it up. Is this justice for all or just for a few?
Point one – thank you, RM. Like a “true” conservative, it would appear that your philosophy is “live and let live.” To be very honest, my POV is a lot closer to yours than most can see. I am not gay, but I sure as hell see no reason for the discrimination.
Thanks, friend!
Point Two – thank you, also J R. I appreciate the support. I guess since I was born a African Native Irish Englsih German Jewish Norweign American mutt somehow makes me inferior.
It does have advantages, however, since I cannot discriminate against ANYONE.
Thank you both!!!!!
Steven what exactly is wrong with my post. Be specific.
Okay J R, Do what you have to do, report me…
But then they can explain to you that Heevie comes from Heevie Jeevie and alternate spelling of Heebie Jeebie. It’s a Hispanic pronunciation of the letter “B.”
Go ahead, make a fool of yourself J R.
I gave you hint earlier and you are too lazy to investigate for yourself.
Typical Democrap conspiracy, victim thinking.
“report WS because I have told him several times that I am offended by the tag ‘grandma from hell’ ”
All you have to do, Grandma from Hell, is admit you were wrong and that you made up the story that Clinton was busy lying to the Grand Jury so he did not do anything about the Cole attack.
Pretty simple right?
And, answer the question – why didn’t BUSH do something about the Cole incident when it was confirmed for him that al Qaeda was behind the Cole attack in March of 2001?
Pretty simple right?
Sorry WS I was quoting from Mrs Bill Clinton’s talk to Code Pink in 03 when she said she could not go along with their agenda because saddam was just to dangerous to leave in place. Any other FACTS you’d like to bring up.
I noticed that there was no response from the rest of the posters of your giving the okay to get in the middle of another country’s civil war. HHHmmmmm.
Khan!!!!!!!!
There goes another idiot thinking that blocking a user’s IP would make a difference. JR, you clearly know nothing of TCP/IP. SO, shutup already about it moron.
Steven since you seem to have lost your typing skills I will back up my statements.
‘The claim that the last recession started under Clinton is absolutely true. To deny this is not only to blame Bush for a problem he didn’t cause, but to deprive him of the credit for fixing it with effective policies — which is exactly why the Left is so eager in this case. Here, however, are the facts:
The unemployment rate bottomed at 3.8 percent in April 2000, and started deteriorating steadily from there (during the Clinton administration).
The fed funds rate — the overnight interest rate administered by Alan Greenspan and the Federal Reserve — peaked at 6.5 percent in 2000, and had to be lowered in an emergency move on January 3, 2001, “in light of further weakening of sales and production” (during the Clinton administration).
As the chart below shows, GDP growth fell off a cliff in the third quarter of 2000 (during the Clinton administration). Despite the shock of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, growth started to revive in the fourth quarter of 2001 (during the Bush administration).’
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/luskin200405050850.asp
Facts don’t lie – only people lie.
Say what, Raston? You probably need to do some cutting and pasting, since I have long since forgotten the point you were trying to make.
What was it – six or seven hours ago?
Come on, Gene!!!! I am 54 years old. I don’t remember what I had for lunch.
BTW – Blog idiots – that joke was between Gene and I – it is not a general purpose joke.
NO, NO, NO
I have been assured through previous blogs that the ONLY reason Billy didn’t take care of all the terrorists problems was because he had to spend ALLLLL of his time, protecting himself from the Repubs because of Monica.
WSC: Our POV’s on this issue an exactly on point and in line — and I’m proud as hell to say that!
WS I could be wrong about this but I think we did go in Afghanastan to oust Al Kadea. Admit you were wrong about the gene or get off your rant and act human for once. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
Until you admit that you made stuff up, you will have no credibility on this blog, Grandma from Hell.
Everyone will just assume that you are making stuff up, Grm, until you admit your error.
Wait a f**king minute, please. Let’s deal with one issue at a time, so that people like me can stay involved. Fair?
Sorry WS, I’m 11 years younger and 3 hours behind you.
It was your statement that the US COULD do something about Darfur but since the military was being used to look for WMD’s they couldn’t.
I was trying to understand how no one on the earlier open thread had no problem with your statement that it would be okay for the US to get involved in another country’s civil war.
But I’ll remind you that there is NO problem in Darfur because the UN has passed so many resolutions that the problem was probably solved by the UN and the European Union, while we weren’t paying attention.
What was that again, Grandma from Hell? Bill Clinton was busy lying to the Grand Jury so he didn’t do anything about the attack on the Cole?
What Grand Jury was that, Grannie?
Oh, the one that he testified before three years BEFORE the attack?
Damn.
Did you just make that up, Grandma from Hell?
No, tell us it isn’t so!!!!!
LOL the national review, are you kidding Grammy?
You, like Golf, like to try to base everything on the GDP. That is simply NOT true.
Bill didn’t get a booming economy, he earned it. Remember, it was Bush Sr who fell back on his promise to not raise taxes…and why? Come on, I know you know the answer to this.
EVERY year that Clinton had, the poverty rate fell, we paid off our deficit, we had less unemployment than ever.
Despite the terrorist attack the economy revived??? Did you like wake up at all during those times or did you just forget how bad it was?
For all these great economic ventures that Bush has so you say, the retail sales continue to plummet, the economy is starting to fall again. And low end jobs are rising while middle class jobs are being shipped out. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon.
WoofClark – it’s time for you to quit calling ksgrm, “from Hell.”
Certainly you know better.
It’s just plain uncalled for.
“Sorry WS, I’m 11 years younger and 3 hours behind you.”
Are you saying that you are eleven years and three hours younger than me or that you are in a time zone eleven years removed or three days or what?
Sorry, cheap humor attempt.
Back to the point, Gene. Our troops are stretched way to thin for the US to get involved in anything other than just staying alive in Iraq. The Darfur situation is what the UN was developed for, but the UN is toothless, because WE have allowed it to become useless.
But before we get carried away with UN resolutions and the failure of countries to abide by those resolutions, let us not forget that there have ben at least SIXTY resolutions that Israel has ignored.
WS if you haven’t caught on – your credibility just flew out the window. No matter how many times you disavow it you lost on this one. Just ignoring a post and ranting on about something weeks ago doesn’t cut it anymore.
I’m just glad Billy boy is yours to protect because I don’t have the stomach for it.
A gay marriage would have no effect on you, but you are content to deny rights to others because they live a lifestyle different than yours.
So WS where are the RIGHTS of the majority of Americans who happen to have religious beliefs that a marriage is between a man and a woman. When the majority of voters (yep, democracy) state that this is what they want in the constitution.
Why is it okay for THEIR rights to be violated by the minority?
WoofClark – it’s time for you to quit calling ksgrm, “from Hell.”
… and did you complain when Golf Nut called me a Drug Addict?
… how about when Fleet and Khan suggested that I was gay?
… and my name is not Woof, it is William.
… so why the hypocrisy?
PM the most obvious bogus claim is that we paid off the deficit under Clinton. One year he was in office we had a balanced budget and this was on the backs of our military. If you get a chance talk to someone who was in the military at that time. They had many families on food stamps, he decommissioned over 50% of our nuclear fleet without replacing them. My son had 10 years in the Navy and got out because of the changes made under Clinton.
Sorry but you are just wrong about Bill. Check the real facts.
Oh sorry, I guess I missed the news story of Israel trying to kill off ALLLL the muslims.
I guess someone lost the keys to the silo doors in Israel.
ANYONE want to take a guess at the death toll, HAD saddam been able to finish his nuke plant if Israel hadn’t destroyed it?
And just like that, the Bush Adminstration blinks: Alberto Gonzalez will not oppose legislation to restore the Senate’s right to approve or deny the President’s U.S. Attorney candidates.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002715.php
Eat that, Republicans. It’s a good day for America.
“Why is it okay for THEIR rights to be violated by the minority?”
In 1860, the vast MAJORITY of Americans were accepting of slavery.
Until 1910, the vast MAJORITY of Americans were accepting of male only voting.
Until 1965, the vast MAJORITY of Americans did not have a problem with voter discrimination.
So, what was your point, Gene?
Thats right, one of those resolutions by the UN against Israel was when they went in and bombed saddams nuke sight.
Gotta go – life is calling.
I guess Heevie doesn’t like to admit when he’s wrong.
So from now on, in compensation for KSGRM…
WSClark is now known as
Homosexual Hell
otherwise HH for short.
“No matter how many times you disavow it you lost on this one.”
I am confused, Grandma from Hell. You make stuff up and I LOST it?
How is it that YOU just pull facts out of your ass and that means I have lost it?
Christ, do you cons have no shame?
There has been no gay gene found yet, but ALL of the science is pointing that way. From hypothalamus studies to studies of those born with dual sexes, to studies of twins. It’s just a matter of time till it will be non debatable.
“He [Clinton] inherited a good economy which was in a recession when he left.”Posted by: ksgrm | March 08, 2007 at 06:32 PM
False. You’re probably just misinformed, but anyway you cut it you’re flat wrong.
Try again.
Well….the slavery thing wasn’t so cool, but men-only voting? Yeah, let’s get back to those good old days. Letting the emotionaly drivem women voting has not been so good.
“Thats right, one of those resolutions by the UN against Israel was when they went in and bombed saddams nuke sight.”
As a permanant member of the Security Council, the US can VETO any resolution, Gene.
You know that.
You are right WS, amazing how democracy works. What is YOUR point.
My point is, will gay marriage be sometime in the future? Yes, when the MAJORITY votes for it. Until then what gives anyone the right to say that the majority is wrong or discriminatory because their religious beliefs tells them that gay marriage is wrong.
Personally I could care less, I am not a religious person. However those that are religious have their own RIGHTS to step into a voting booth and make decisions based on their faith and beliefs.
SOB, I don’t know why I’m bothering to respond to you, but yeah, that women voting thing, how’s that working out for the countries that dont’ allow women to vote. The men are doing such a bang up job aren’t they.
So, Gene, if the Religious folks decided in mass to vote to have all blacks killed and grilled, you would be okay with that?
Stop Women’s Suffering! End Suffrage Now!
HH Heevie is avoiding the issue about the homosexuality gene. He has been proved wrong and fails to admit it.
Another classic case of Democrap thinking.
“The National Bureau’s Business Cycle Dating Committee maintains a chronology of the U.S. business cycle. The chronology identifies the dates of peaks and troughs that frame economic recession or expansion. The period from a peak to a trough is a recession and the period from a trough to a peak is an expansion. According to the chronology, the most recent peak occurred in March 2001, ending a record-long expansion that began in 1991. The most recent trough occurred in November 2001, inaugurating an expansion.”
http://www.nber.org/cycles/recessions.html
George W Bush was inaugurated in January 2001, well before US GDP peaked in March. Not only that, but his incessant carping about “we need tax cuts or the economy will shrink” began shortly after Gore conceded the 200 election.
It’s quite likely that Bush talked the US into the recession that occured technically in March 2001. Certainly far more likely than your assertion that Clinton oversaw a recession.
Since that’s completely wrong, I mean.
I post the link , Dave Khan, now let’s hear your PROOF that homosexuality is a choice.
…and by the way, Dave, how often do you have to make that choice? Daily? By the hour? Moment by moment?
Do you change your mind mid-stroke?
I’ll spell it slow for you WS
D E M O C R A C Y
IF the majority of voters in this country said, YES we want to take a step back 150 years, THAT IS THEIR RIGHT. I just can’t make it any more plain. IS this going to happen, NO. Would I want it to happen NO.
Remember the oath you took in the military (assuming you were in) protect and defend the constitution.
I was in the Military Police stationed at the Presidio in San Francisco. Want to guess how many times I saw the US Flag being burned in that city. Did I approve, NO. Was it their right to do so, of course and I would stop ANYONE who tried to stop them. Because that was what the constitution SAID they could do and I took my oath.
Now my father, who was a retired cop, put his religion first. He told me once that was why he could never be a detective in the sex crimes unit. Because in those days the only real evidence was matching semen with semen. So he could not, because of his religious beliefs stand to have a suspect provide a semen sample becuase in the bible it stated that self pleasure was a sin.
Something about “it is better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore then let a drop touch the ground.”
Me, I’m for doing all you can to put a rapist away.
Heevie was never in the military and never held a job that he didn’t get fired from.
It was probably his drug use and homosexual tendencies towards his fellow workers.
So, according to you, Gene, the minority only has the rights bestowed upon them by the majority?
So, if the majority wants to criminalize say “long hair on men” they can do that? They could put men in jail until they cut their hair?
What happened to “ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL?”
I thought that was what this country was all about – we are all created equally?
If we are not all created equally, then what is the point? Why should we live under this system of goverment if we are NOT all equal?
Why should gays and lesbians pay taxes if the goverment is allowed to discriminate because the MAJORITY wants to discriminate?
Why should anyone live under this government if we are not all treated equally?
Yup, HH Heevie definitely has the drug induced thing going on now.
He is bringing up scenarios even a 4th grader would classify as nonsense.
“Steven what exactly is wrong with my post. Be specific.”
There is NO TRUTH in any of your assertions. Clear enough?
See subsequent posts documenting the factual bankruptcy of your post.
No more talking to you, germie, you’re sadly deranged. And I still think if you had responsible children, they’d take away your keyboard.
Christ, Dave Golf Nut, you have truly sunk. You put yourself on this pedestal as being a highly succesful business man, a chick magnet, a super father and a great golfer.
Now you are just a little fat man, chasing me around, like you used to chase P Mom. You make a fool of yourself each and everytime you post.
Basically, trying to call me gay is really, really lame. That is just so Jr. High School. As an adult, I would expect you to do better.
Dave, you are just sooooo yesterday. You had your moment when some people actually believed that you were a successful businessman that was moderately attractive to women.
Now we all know that you are just a short, fat, ugly man with bad breath.
It sucks to be you, Dave Khan.
In fairness to the truth, Dave is actually a ‘fairly tall’ [the rest of what you say is correct - except I have only heard second hand about the breath part]…
“Dave is actually a ‘fairly tall’”
So Dave is a TALL fatman with bad breath?
Jeez, I would have never guessed that Dave Khan was anything more than a really short man.
The constitution is to defend the minority, or we wouldn’t need a constitution. Everything would be based on who had the bigger majority at the time.
And if I remember correctly, even the consitution didn’t defend the right to burn the flag. They made it illegal anyway. The only time in my life I ever felt like going out and burning our flag. The longer the repubs are in power, the more I don’t trust in her anymore either.
Just further proof, PMom, anything republicans do – you hate.
If they banned farting in public, you’d be the first one in line for tacos and baked beans.
DA, as I’ve said multiple times, I only comment using this name.
Well Dave, if they would do something right I wouldn’t have to hate them.
I don’t hate EVERYTHING they do, most of the time they just annoy or disappoint me. It’s when they start tinkering with the constitution and rights is when I get hateful.
It’s when they start tinkering with the constitution and rights is when I get hateful.
Posted by: political_mom
Right, as long as it is something that YOU want changed in the constitution or not changed, THEN its alright, but if the Majority want to change the constitution and doesn’t fit your beliefs THEN its wrong and time to get hateful
*shrug*
It was just an observation. Personally, I think flag burning should be illegal, and I don’t care WHO passes the law.
And yes homosexuality is a choice. I never said I didn’t have gay tendencies. I just don’t usually act on them. I have in the past and may again, But it will be my choice.
Jeez, the REAL Dave has suddenly, out of nowhere, returned to grace us with his presence.
We should be sooooo thankful.
Damn, Dave how is that Adonis thing working out for you? Got them women lining up for a taste of Dave?
I think not.
Dave, do you have anymore lies to tell us?
Well of course Golf, I’d expect no less from you. You want freedom of speech only to apply to business owners who can hire and fire based on any sort of discrimination whatsoever.
Gene, anytime you take away rights, you limit the rights of us all. It should concern you too.
“Jeez, I would have never guessed that Dave Khan was anything more than a really short man.”
Am I guessing that the average height for American males is around 5′11″ to 6′0″ – Dave would be taller than that. He is not a Chinese center or anything, but he is taller than average.
I’m with you, I think Dave is fibbing when he says he is not Kahn. Too similar.
Curiously, PMom, who loses “rights” when we make flag burning illegal?
Wow, that was honest.
That would make you bi. Not gay.
Obviously it’s making a statement dave, or it wouldn’t be offensive now would it?
So in essense, you have banned freedom of speech.
Of course, the 8:25 post wasn’t me. (It’s DA)
And Dave is 6′2.
50th percentile American male: 5′10.
“I never said I didn’t have gay tendencies.”
So, Dave, when the urge strikes you, are you Johnny Bench or Tom Seaver?
Just curious. As a straight man, I do not have to choose on a daily basis, but I do under stand how it works for you.
Dave acting on gay tendencies? I know I am going to be ill. Someone help me…
Dave acting on straight tendencies also makes my stomach turn.
Please! We don’t want to hear any more!
Of course, the 8:25 post wasn’t me. (It’s DA)
Sorry Dave, at 8:25 I was cooking dinner for my family. Right now it is simmering…. kind of like you…
So, PMom, using that logic, I should be able to walk down the street naked. Why is that illegal?
So, PMom, using that logic, I should be able to walk down the street naked. Why is that illegal?
Posted by: KSGolfnut
Having seen Kahn-Dave, P_mom knows why that question is completely unnecessary!
I don’t think it SHOULD be illegal (unless it’s really cold out). Is it harmful to anyone else to see someone naked? I dont think so. the problem with nakedness is culture. Which is why kids in Amazon and African tribes aren’t ‘traumatized’ by their tribal nakedness.
LOL Steven, but I think seeing me walking down the street naked would be traumatizing to all of you too lol.
So, using that logic….
Prostitution should be legal since it doesn’t hurt anyone?
And drug use – same logic?
And having an abortion clearly DOES hurt someone, so it should be illegal, right?
“Why is that illegal?” Puke factor.
To define a recession, economists rely on the measurements of the National Bureau of Economic Research, the official arbiter of recessions and expansions. NBER has been run since 1977 by Harvard economist Martin Feldstein, an architect of the Bush tax cut and an intellectual mentor to many prominent Republican policy-makers, including Glenn Hubbard, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers. According to NBER’s definition, the recession did not begin until after President Clinton left office. According to NBER, the economy peaked and started shrinking in March 2001, two months after the Bush presidency began. “The determination of a peak date in March is thus a determination that the expansion that began in March 1991 ended in March 2001 and a recession began in March.” So according to NBER, the most recent recession did not start during the Clinton administration. To be fair, nor did the expansion begin under Clinton; rather, it launched during President Bush the Father’s term.
Yes, wow I’m sounding like a libertarian today, but drug use does hurt others. The other stuff fine by me.
The abortion issue isn’t about that though, it’s about the right of a woman to choose her own medical decisions for her body.
I thought Dave was much funnier when he was Khan. He seems to be a lot more uptight as KSGolfnut. The RepubliKhan character was much more idiotic.
Damn, I still can’t get over the Homer Simpson – Yasser Arafat image.
Even if he is six foot two.
Actually, he is even funnier at 6′2″.
It is sort of like Big Foot Golf Nut.
He still stinks, but he IS a legend in his own mind.
This would be funny, if it wasn’t just another example of the Repub. hypocrite party!Gingrich had affair during Clinton probe By BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 18 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich acknowledged he was having an extramarital affair even as he led the charge against President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair, he acknowledged in an interview with a conservative Christian group.
ADVERTISEMENT”The honest answer is yes,” Gingrich, a potential 2008 Republican presidential candidate, said in an interview with Focus on the Family founder James Dobson to be aired Friday, according to a transcript provided to The Associated Press. “There are times that I have fallen short of my own standards. There’s certainly times when I’ve fallen short of God’s standards.”
Gingrich argued in the interview, however, that he should not be viewed as a hypocrite for pursuing Clinton’s infidelity.
“The president of the United States got in trouble for committing a felony in front of a sitting federal judge,” the former Georgia congressman said of Clinton’s 1998 House impeachment on perjury and obstruction of justice charges. “I drew a line in my mind that said, ‘Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept … perjury in your highest officials.”
Widely considered a mastermind of the Republican revolution that swept Congress in the 1994 elections, Gingrich remains wildly popular among many conservatives. He has repeatedly placed near the top of Republican presidential polls recently, even though he has not formed a campaign.
Gingrich has said he is waiting to see how the Republican field shapes up before deciding in the fall whether to run.
Reports of extramarital affairs have dogged him for years as a result of two messy divorces, but he has refused to discuss them publicly.
Gingrich, who frequently campaigned on family values issues, divorced his second wife, Marianne, in 2000 after his attorneys acknowledged Gingrich’s relationship with his current wife, Callista Bisek, a former congressional aide more than 20 years younger than he is.
His first marriage, to his former high school geometry teacher, Jackie Battley, ended in divorce in 1981. Although Gingrich has said he doesn’t remember it, Battley has said Gingrich discussed divorce terms with her while she was recuperating in the hospital from cancer surgery.
Gingrich married Marianne months after the divorce.
“There were times when I was praying and when I felt I was doing things that were wrong. But I was still doing them,” he said in the interview. “I look back on those as periods of weakness and periods that I’m … not proud of.”
Gingrich’s congressional career ended in 1998 when he abruptly resigned from Congress after poor showings from Republicans in elections and after being reprimanded by the House ethics panel over charges that he used tax-exempt funding to advance his political goals.
“I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept … perjury in your highest officials.”———-Hmmm, there are a bunch of people around here who find many reasons (EXCUSES WHY) Libby’s perjury conviction should be not only accepted, but forgiven and pardoned and never allowed to have been investigated…
But, but, but, Steve!!!! He could not have done ANYTHING wrong, after all he is a Republican!!!!
Republicans never cheat on their wives. Republicans never do drugs. Republicans never violate God’s laws and choose to be homos!
You have to be wrong about Newt.
Yes any good economist can give you the text book definition of recession. But in fact left leaning economists fabricated facts not taking into account the GDP. Greenspan, a good friend of Al Gore, didn’t want to admit we were heading into a recession so he put off a rate decrease and instead of taking it in October of 2000 waited and took it in the first part of 2001. Even the economists that made the call knew they were wrong. They just didn’t want to change their data because they would have looked foolish.
The following taken from the Washington Post proves my point:
“In fact, NBER has been on the verge of changing the recession’s start date for this very reason. According to the Washington Post earlier this year,
NBER President Martin Feldstein said, “It is clear that the revised data have made our original March date for the start of the recession much too late,” but he did not offer a different date. “We are still waiting for additional monthly data before making a final judgment,” said Feldstein, a Harvard University economist. “Until we have the additional data, we cannot make a decision.”Media Matters chooses not to mention this fact.”
I know this will go over the heads of some on this blog but do your own research and you will find that the recession officially began in November 2000, while Billy was still in office.
Sorry to burst your bubble. Still waiting for that apology WS for saying there was a gay gene when there clearly isn’t. And pmom you say the gene discovery is immenient – well – I almost won the lottery once too, I was only 5 numbers off.
PMom,If I come home every night and shoot up with heroin or snort 3-4 lines of coke. Home alone.
How does that hurt anyone?
LOL ksgrm.
Tell you what. Until Marty Feldstein offers a different date you just fill one hand with this and the other with shit.
Let us all know which fills first, willya?
LOL
Did you know you can use “the google” and find anything you want to find, in support of any subject you want supported? Of course, some of what you find isn’t factual.
“Sorry to burst your bubble. Still waiting for that apology WS for saying there was a gay gene when there clearly isn’t”
I posted the link, Grandma from Hell. It clearly shows that there is mostly likely a gene that determines sexuality.
So where is your link to show Clinton was distracted from addressing the Cole attack by his testimony before the Arkansas Grand Jury?
Like I said, Grandma from Hell, you just can’t make up shit like you do.
That is too funny.
Ya, I guess you obviously prefer to define “double standard” by your actions rather than by your writing, ksgrm.
Way funny. LOL
Most likely doesn’t mean is. The official date has been changed. Look at current history. I just gave you the history leading up to the change.
Give us the “official date,” ksgrm.
What is it?
LOL
And Linda you are right about not always factual but the Washington is your left wing rag and if they said it believe me they didn’t want to. Who was it awhile back that said Clinton paid off the deficit? We should just call him Wonder Willie I guess.
Pendant it’s because people do your work for you that you have grown up to be so needy. Find the date for yourself and if that’s to hard let me know and I will furnish it for you.
No problem, ksgrm: the offiicial date is March 2001.
There, that wasn’t so hard, was it?
LOL
“Most likely doesn’t mean is.”
Point One, Grandma from Hell, is that you side of the debate has ZERO proof that homosexuality is a choice. There is NOTHING to support your argument, including that fact that NO ONE would choose to be gay.
Point Two, no one has ever claimed on this blog that Clinton paid of the debt. Once again, you are just making shit up.
Clinton DID balance the budget and he did pay down the debt, but no one claimed that he paid off the debt.
But, I am still waiting to here YOUR plan to pay off the Nine Trillion Dollar Federal Debt.
How is that coming?
Will you have an answer about the same time that you explain the Cole attack?
ksgrm, aren’t you some kind of businesswoman in these parts?
For your edification, under Clinton’s leadership the budget deficit *was* eliminated.
Gone. Poof. Under Clinton.
The public debt, however, was not. There’s a difference.
PS What do you have going on in these parts, some kind of ponzi cum MLM scheme?
I read the Washington Post online daily. I especially like Dan Froomkin’s White House Watch. He always includes “clicks” to his sources and they come from all spectrums. It’s an excellent overview.
The official date remains March 2001 even tho Bush&Co tried hard to get the date changed. It really doesn’t matter much since most people still believe the recession did begin under Clinton’s watch instead of the Shrubs.
I dig deeply when it’s important because I’m fully aware that anything and everything from all sources is available and it’s important to me to find the facts instead of being led down a primrose path of lies.
Point One, Grandma from Hell, is that you side of the debate has ZERO proof that homosexuality is a choice.
The burden of proof is on science to find the homosexual gene.We can clone for crying out loud.Scientists should be able to find the gay gene.
http://stlouisfed.org/publications/re/2005/d/pages/NBER.html
“Although the NBER determines recession dates by evaluating a variety of different measures of economic activity, the dates are closely aligned with movements of the broadest measure, gross domestic product. As is well-known, however, recent NBER recessions have not been in synch with periods of recession in the labor market. The NBER said the latest recession to hit the country started in March 2001 and ended in November 2001. According to a forthcoming study to be published by the St. Louis Fed, the U.S. labor market entered recession in May 2000—nearly a year before the start of the NBER recession—and exited recession in November 2003—a full two years after the end of the NBER recession.”
This information is taken from the Federal Reserve’s own pages. As you can see we were well into the second quarter of the recession when Bush took over. I don’t expect you to admit it but you were wrong WS, Linda, Pendant. Sorry to leave on an up note but life goes on and I’ll leave on this victorious note.
WS I am sill waiting for you to tell me you were wrong about the gay gene.
Well Linda you had better stop and smell those roses instead of letting yourself go down that path. With all your reading you are still wrong.
So, Grandma from Hell, you have been proven wrong on several counts…
The Debt v. Deficit.
The beginning of the Recession.
The Cole attack.
Care to make up any more bullshit or are you just going to slink away into your cave?
I didn’t ever deceive myself into thinking your mind would be changed. I’ve read enough of your posts to know you are possessed of ideas and won’t accept facts.
Once in a while you may change the mind of someone convinced but never will the possessed mind be changed.
Mr Kia, I’m not sure why you feel the need to follow WS lame lead in name calling. I don’t believe I have been anything other that respectful to you. So why do feel the need to be any less with me.
The gay gene – I have never said it was a choice.
WS is loves to call others liars so from now on when he makes a bold face lie I am going to start pointing it out to him.
“Scientists should be able to find the gay gene.”
Bullshit, KIA. The Religious Right Haters would like homosexuality to be a choice, so that they can continue to hate people like they do. They need an excuse for their hatred, so they pin it on homosexuality being a “choice.”
What a bunch of lame hypocrites.
Did you choose to be white or brown or black, KIA?
Did you choose to be short or tall or bald, KIA?
Did you choose to have two hands or to be autistic or to have spinal bifada, KIA?
Did you “choose” to sexually attracted to your wife or girlfriend, KIA?
Did you choose to be so god damned judgemental that you can hate people for simply being what they were born to be, KIA?
That was WS quote I used Ksgrm. I was trying to support you in calling on science to present proof of a gay gene and thus no choice in the matter.
LOL, ksgrm. Not even any links, either.
PEE EWW
I hope you’re more honest in your real life than you are here. Or at least better able to admit when you’re wrong.
But I’m sure that if you click your heels 3 times and wish real hard then what you wish were true will BE true. It is, after all, the strategy W uses and just look how well it’s working for HIM.
LOL
“WS is loves to call others liars so from now on when he makes a bold face lie I am going to start pointing it out to him.”
Point out one lie, Grandma from Hell. Point out just one lie.
You can’t do it.
But I can point out your lies all day long.
Just for starters – Clinton – Cole – still no answers.
Are you and Linda sharing the same joint. She has slipped reality also. No less that the Federal Reserve said I was right on the recession and I don’t have a clue what you are talking about with the debt vs deficit thing. Are you talking about pmom saying Clinton paid off the national debt? Not hardly – as I said he balanced the budget 1 year out of 8.
And I believe I told you today you could have the Cole argument. That meant in case your brain can’t get around that – I was wrong about what Willie was doing when the Cole was bombed. I did ask you what he was doing and got some lame answer that was – nothing – the same thing he always did.
Hate the sin, love the sinner WS.
I guess the truth hurts on the burden of proof of science.Truth always sets you off like that. LOL
Mr Kia my apologies. I snapped when I should have hesitated. Anger will do that but is no excuse.
Your Fed link does NOT say that you’re right, ksgrm.
It says that a forthcoming article will change the date.
It said that in July 2005 (check your link).
Maybe the StL Fed uses the same standard to define “forthcoming” that you use to define wishful thinking?
LOL
ksgrm: here to tell us all that the year 2050 is forthcoming.
And that the March 2001 recession began in November 2000. No wait, May!
LOL
“WS I am sill waiting for you to tell me you were wrong about the gay gene.”
Making up shit again, Grandma from Hell.
I was not wrong, I provided a link to support my point.
Now I would like to see your proof that being gay is a choice.
I would also like to see a link that debunks the point that you are willfully stupid.
And one that show where Clinton was distracted by his Grand Jury testimony so that he could not deal with the Cole incident.
I swear, where would W be if he didn’t have all you people runnin’ around rewritin’ history for his benefit?
ANS: probably a helluva lot better off.
“Genetically, Dave, a persons race is determined by genes. To suggest that it is anything else is mindboggling.
Do you really think that race is anything OTHER than genetic?”Posted by WS at 4:04
And if race is genetic, why would you think that sexuality is any different?
Pendant I furnished plenty of links. Just run your little mouse over them and when they light up, click.
“Hate the sin, love the sinner WS.”
Go to Hell, KIA. The gays and lesbians of the world do not need your condescending attitudes.
Just who the Hell are you to judge anyone, KIA?
Who are you to determine someone else’s sins?
You and the Grandma from Hell are both hypocrites.
ksgrm: “Are you and Linda sharing the same joint. She has slipped reality also.”
——————-
Ya know, I have many joys in my retirement. It’s been ages since I enjoyed a joint (I was young in the 60s, just don’t remember them well) but I won’t rule anything out.
Pendant I’m typing this quickly but read it s l o w l y so it wil sink it.
According a study to be published…. Means the study has taken place and the data has been changed.
I know it is hard but you can do it. Good night
ksgrm: here to tell us all to pick a date, ANY DAMN DATE, just as long as it happened on Clinton’s watch!
ksgrm: for the last time, W IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING!
LOL
Pendant you finally git it.
ksgrm, if it were forthcoming in July 2005 then I think it woulda come by now. For your edification, today is March 8, 2 0 0 7.
2 0 0 7
Too funny.
LOL
“And if race is genetic, why would you think that sexuality is any different?”
“Do you really think that race is anything OTHER than genetic?”Posted by WS at 4:04″
I did not make a post ar 4:04 PM., Grandma from Hell.
But just out of curiousity, why are you so against gay marriage?
Feeling a little attracted to the girl next door?
Feeling a little guilty?
Feeling a little bored with hetro sex?
No WS. You are.I haven’t judged anyone. I haven’t pointed out a log in my brothers eye with while I still have one in my own. I have never made any reference to being perfect. That would be you and your leftist buddies who somehow find yourselves morally superior because you accept anything and everything, with the exception of Christianity.However, you want to prove you are “born” that way. Find a gene for it. It’s not like scientists aren’t trying. The science field isn’t exactly overflowing with evangelical christians..lol.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/
Though the outcome of the “gay gene” debate is uncertain, the very fact of the debate is evidence of great change: The prevailing scientific view of the fundamental nature of homosexuality has undergone a signficant evolution in the last several decades. Where once the scientific and medical establishment maintained an unqualified belief that homosexuality was a form of psychological deviance, today a solid majority of psychiatrists and psychologists themselves believe in biological theories (genes, brain, prenatal chemistry) over environmental or psychological theories. More scientists are getting involved in this type of genetic research, although funding has not been keeping pace with the intensity of interest.
Even at the early stages of an emerging scientific consensus around biological theories of homosexuality, it is not possible to keep politics out of the debate. In his most recent book, Simon LeVay, who has been at the center of it all–and who is gay himself–wrote of a “worrisome question” that he faces quite often: “Are the positions taken by researchers merely the expression of their own personal attitudes and prejudices–whether pro-or anti-gay–that have been dressed up in academic language. . . ?” To espouse environmental or psychodynamic theories in recent years has been to invite charges of anti-gay bias or homophobia, he notes; and biological theories seem “pro-gay.” But even these political lines can be blurred: Some have worried that the “gay gene,” though often seen as tied to “pro gay” politics, could become a tool of a repressive, eugenically inclined majority looking to breed out undesirable same-sex behavior. The debate continues.
“However, you want to prove you are “born” that way. Find a gene for it. It’s not like scientists aren’t trying”
First of all, KIA, I am straight – despite the cheap shots from your friends on the right, I am not nor never have been gay.
Take your cheap shot and stuff it.
I am for the rights of gay people because it is the right thing to do. No one should be subject to discrimination because of race, color, creed or sexual orientation.
Religion has no place dictating science. Science is not a discipline subject to filtration through a Christian, Muslim or Jewish filter.
To suggest otherwise is hypocrisy of the first order. Do you want facts or just the facts that meet your religious standards?
… and for the last time, why would anyone choose to be gay given the social and governmental prejudice?
I didn’t mean that to imply that you were homosexual nor would I have done that in an insulting tone.
I believe discrimination comes in when someone wants to make their difference the very fiber of their being, calling attention to it and demanding special treatment for it. I do not understand why one’s sexuality is that. Hetero’s are parading and screaming at the tops of their lungs “were here; were straight – get used to it.”
“calling attention to it and demanding special treatment for it”
What special treatment are gays asking for, KIA? The right to marry the person of their choice?
Cut through all the bullshit – how does a gay marriage effect you or anyone else?
What difference does it make to you?
Why would you care?
Why should you care?
KIA, it is none of your goddamned business.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2005/08/14/what_makes_people_gay/?page=2
WHAT DOES IT MATTER WHERE HOMOSEXUALITY COMES FROM? Proving people are born gay would give them wider social acceptance and better protection against discrimination, many gay rights advocates argue. In the last decade, as this “biological” argument has gained momentum, polls find Americans – especially young adults – increasingly tolerant of gays and lesbians. And that’s exactly what has groups opposed to homosexuality so concerned. The Family Research Council, a conservative Christian think tank in Washington, D.C., argues in its book Getting It Straight that finding people are born gay “would advance the idea that sexual orientation is an innate characteristic, like race; that homosexuals, like African-Americans, should be legally protected against ‘discrimination;’ and that disapproval of homosexuality should be as socially stigmatized as racism. However, it is not true.”
Some advocates of gay marriage argue that proving sexual orientation is inborn would make it easier to frame the debate as simply a matter of civil rights. That could be true, but then again, freedom of religion enjoyed federal protection long before inborn traits like race and sex.
For much of the 20th century, the dominant thinking connected homosexuality to upbringing. Freud, for instance, speculated that overprotective mothers and distant fathers helped make boys gay. It took the American Psychiatric Association until 1973 to remove “homosexuality” from its manual of mental disorders.
This old lady is headed for bed. The last game of today’s Big 12 tournament is decided without being finished. I really like watching college basketball! I played basketball as a girl — back when it was a half court game with six players. I was a good guard.
It’s been a fun night sharing our thoughts! Sure glad I don’t understand the beliefs of some posters here. Unsettling at best to think they can protect, admire, excuse and whatever else the doings of this president and his bunch. Gotta give em something for loyalty I guess. I just didn’t know anyone could be THAT loyal, except my most wonderful dog.
WS, maybe someday we’ll share that joint. Keep up the good work!
Damn James Dobson says that if young boys see their fathers doing the dishes, they may become gay.
Son of a bitch!!!! I have been doing the dishes for years and years. I did the dishes tonight!!!
Shit, do you think my horny bastard 20 year old son may suddenly turn gay?
Naw! Republicans would become honest long before he would “turn” gay!!!
And we all know that Republicans are genetically predisposed to lie.
It’s in their genes.
“WS, maybe someday we’ll share that joint. Keep up the good work!”
Psssst! Linda, I have a secret stash. Give me a call sometime!
Man, that ought to get the blog wingnuts going!!!!!
DA <– off the drug abuse deep end tonight.
“I especially like Dan Froomkin’s White House Watch.”
Me too. I think he is great. You do know that he is a blogger and not a real journalist, but still, he brings in stuff from all over.
He seems to view Bush a little less favorably than I do. It was interesting the other day when he was contemplating what his column would be without Bush.
Froomkin is one of my heros!
Since, obviously, with no offense taken, I’ll simply, in Cousel Sullivan’s words, ” a potted plant”, I think I’ll take this tired old body to bed. Good night. I asked 2 simple questions which have both been totally ignored. Oh well, whatever. That certainly speaks volumes more than the answers that might have been forthcoming. Sleep well, fair princes and princesses. Tomorrow is but the next horizon.
“DA <– off the drug abuse deep end tonight.”
Sorry, Khan Man, no dope tonight.
Sucks to be you, Homer. Please don’t breath on the net, thank you.
Hahaha, what a chump you are Golfie!!!
Germie,The fact that you are still posting suggests that you have raised some very irresponsible children. Your explanation for this????
To my family: If our mom ever starts posting stuff like Germie, we are going to step in and do what is right, okay?
Dang, Joe, you always manage to post something that p!sses me off.
That “freakin scary robotic clown that plays the piano” has been there since at least the 50’s. His name is Louie, and he was named after my great-uncle (Louis Popp), who helped put together the Wurlitzer organ (not piano) that Louie plays. Maybe you should have read what’s on the little building where Louie “lives” so you would have known that. Scary? Louie was the first thing I aways went to see when I entered Joyland.
When I was little, I knew Hal Ottaway. Does that name ring a bell with you? Anyone who has read the book The Peerless Princess of the Plains should recognize it.
“We live in SE Wichita and have a lot of Air Force families in our neighborhood. I am amazed when I talk to them because they are very positive about the Iraqi situation.”
Oh, man. That’s priceless, ksgrm.
I live in SE Wichita, too, and have a member of my family stationed at McConnell. He’s a Republican. Maybe you should hear his take on Iraq. You just might be surprised. Like you, he never liked Clinton, but he did admit that Dubya has made Clinton look like a GREAT president.
Yeah, you keep posting, ksgrm. One of these days you’ll accidentally post the truth.
“They was no secret to leak. She wasn’t covert.”
If that’s true, why did Fitzgerald say the following in his news conference on Friday, October 28, 2005; 3:57 PM?
(FITZGERALD:)”Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community.
Valerie Wilson’s friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life.
FITZGERALD: The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well- known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It’s important that a CIA officer’s identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation’s security.
Valerie Wilson’s cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.”
RD,
If what Fitzgerald said wasn’t a lie, the real question is;
Why isn’t he an incompetent nitwit for not prosecuting the leaker?
He knew who the leaker to Novak was before he ever brought anyone from the administration to the grand jury.
Nope, I have to agree with the capt.
Fitzgerald did everything he could under the law and that was merely to get Libby on a process crime.
The administration has been vindicated!
sorry
Hank
Sanford,
Honestly, it really isn’t any of my business who you marry, and it sure as hell isn’t within my rights to tell you who or who not you may marry. Just because I personally may think it is wrong to marry a sibling, doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be allowed to do it – I don’t get to make that decision – you know, right to freedom and to happiness and all that? Or did you miss that part of the constitution?
Dont bother Wendy.
Kansas…as BIGOTED as you think!
Any doubts?
BTW, how is that working for Ks?
“…freedom and to happiness and all that? Or did you miss that part of the constitution?”
That would be the “pursuit” of happiness and that would be from the Declaration of Independence. Happiness is not guaranteed anywhere. Or did you miss that?
If “the people” want siblings, children, homosexuals, etc. to marry, they can lobby to make it so. That’s the beauty of it all.
and rm – I did answer your questions yesterday :)
fleet – my bad, the declaration them…
“we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal”
so how come all men aren’t treated equally???
And fleet, I did provide links to you for more inequalities than just no marriage rights – maybe you should READ them before you go patting yourself on the back for winning an argument that you actually lost!
“Kansas…as BIGOTED as you think!
Any doubts?
BTW, how is that working for Ks?”
Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | March 09, 2007 at 08:16 AM
Works just fine. The less self-proclaimed victims we have, the better.
“Why isn’t he an incompetent nitwit for not prosecuting the leaker?”
I don’t know, Hank, and that wasn’t what my post was about. I suppose you could write him and ask him, but I doubt you’d get an answer you like.
Fitzgerald has a long history as a Federal Prosecutor and has proven that he is non-partisan by going after all sides of the political spectrum. And, IIRC, he’s a registered Republican.
My opinion? He did what he was allowed to do by whatever or whomever. This may or may not be over. But I don’t wake up every morning obsessed with it.
(Tell Nathan HI and that I’m eager to see him home and well.)
Thanks RD,
I’ll tell him. He’s pretty busy right now with turn over and all but He’s leaving Iraq next Thursday.
Hank
i’m eric. joining a couple boards and lookingforward to participating. hehe unless i gettoo distracted!eric