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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted March 27, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Yesterday, the House Federal and State Affairs Committee endorsed a resolution telling Attorney General Paul Morrison to re-file 30 misdemeanor criminal charges filed in December against George Tiller.
A judge had to agree with the charges before they were filed, review the evidence and find probable cause to believe that Tiller committed the crimes. The charges were dismissed on jurisdictional grounds by a judge who did not review the evidence. That decision was appealed by the previous Attorney General, but Morrison dismissed the appeal.
Later today a “Charge Tiller, It’s the Law” rally will be held at the 2nd floor rotunda in the State Capitol in Topeka from 10 AM till 2 PM with a noon news conference.
A majority vote by either house of the Kansas Legislature can direct the Attorney General to take legal action on behalf of the people of Kansas.
Oh, this will be a great day for the Kansas Republican party. I so want the Kansas House to vote on this resolution to force the AG to charge Tiller. Then all of us can see once and for all just which House Republicans are in the conserative chistian crazy wing of the Republican Party along with Neufield, Merrick, Dahl, and Kinzer and those that are not. It would be nice for all of those politicans that use public money and their public position to abuse the public trust by trying to force their personal religious convictions upon all ohf the people of Kansas. I go to my church to seek moral advice from my chosen religious leader, my minister. I do not need, nor want religious advice from an elected official whom I rely on to formulate laws and expend tax monies for the good of all of the people of Kansas. Force this vote, get the crazies out in the light so we will know them for what they are…..and, are not.
Should we take a CLOSER LOOK at the people who frequent radical liberal sites like Huffington Post and Democratic Underground?
This article calls some of their posts ‘evil,’ and while I don’t usually use artistic terms like that – it is becoming growingly obvious that some of the fringe leftists – are crossing the line between free speech, and dangerously-radical incitement.
http://www.dailymail.com/story/Opinion/Don%20Surber/2007030114/Rooting-for-a-vice-presidents-death-is-evil
Occasionally, a rare liberal poster here will reference Democratic Underground or the Huff, but for the most part, those liberals with a shred of decency steer clear of nearly-revolutionary, bottom-feeding sites like those.
Are these folks – the ones who post there – and others around our Net-world being ‘watched?’
If not – should they be? They are obviously not quite right in the head – but should we consider them a danger to society?
There is a fine line.
Have they crossed it?
I’m asking.
thinkfirst,
Wanting to protect the unborn human life is not a personal religious conviction anymore than my wanting to stop a serial killer from slaughtering your family.
Is it time to drop PC?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp
GS, we liberals will get along just fine, thank you. Take care of the wackos on your side of the fence and we’ll take care of the wackos on our side.
Thanks but no thanks for the help.
And Nathan, one doesn’t have a thing to do with the other. Welcome home, by the way.
Okay, this needs to be said – ROSIE O’DONNELL is not ONLY just about the ugliest person on national TV – but she’s showing her TRUE COLORS again….all black.
Never mind that we still don’t KNOW the exact details of what happened when Iran grabbed the soldiers – Rosie is going to go out on a limb and put her trust in the murderous Iranian Government.
Could we send her to them? Could we please? Can anyone actually watch this disgusting woman without spewing?
[Rosie Traitor Quote]“But interesting with the British sailors, there were fifteen British sailors and Marines who apparently went into Iranian waters and they were seized by the Iranians. And I have one thing to say: Gulf of Tonkin, Google it. Okay.” [end Rosie Traitor Quote]
You may see her butt-ugly mug on American TV – but let’s face it, folks, she’s NO American.
GS – and how about Ann “I wish my hero McVeigh bombed the NYTimes” Coulter.
I bet this is what little miss fossil fuels is refering to this morning that has her panties in a snit. She should tell us again how she doesnt read at the other blog.
“I picked up this rant at DU. I thought it was very good, and thought some here might enjoy it. Long, but worth the read for those with some attention span left.
“While yesterday I focused on the fact that the Republican Party is reeling, today – thanks to the latest outburst from Glenn Beck – I’d like to remind everyone of something equally important: This is who they are. The face of Beck, Ann Coulter, George Allen and so many other right-wing bigots, misogynists and low-down assholes is the face of the Republican Party. The face and, to be sure, the heart and soul.
Take a good look, America, because the smiling faces you see on the right belie a cold, dark interior far more accurate than outward appearances. And remember what you see, because obscuring the truth about themselves is the only thing keeping the Republican Party from being marginalized to permanent minority status at the far fringes of society.
When Beck calls Hillary Clinton a “stereotypical bitch”, he’s speaking for the party.
When Coulter calls John Edwards a “faggot”, she’s speaking for the party.
When Allen calls a man of Indian descent “Macaca”, he’s speaking for the party.
When Bill Donohue says things like “The gay community has yet to apologize to straight people for all the damage that they have done,” he’s speaking for the party.
When Bill O’Reilly calls the victims of Hurricane Katrina “drug-addicted” and “thugs”, he’s speaking for the party.
When Bill Bennett says things like “you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down,” he’s speaking for the party.
When Pat Robertson calls for Hugo Chavez’s assassination, he’s speaking for the party.
When Brit Hume’s first thoughts after the London terror attacks was “Hmmm, time to buy,” he’s speaking for the party.
And when John Gibson wishes those attacks on France, he’s speaking for the party.
Get the picture?
Make no mistake, these are the comments of terrible, terrible people. But not just any people. Prominent conservatives. People held in high regard* and who have repeatedly been given a soapbox from which to spout their dangerous, hateful rhetoric. People given the tremendous opportunity to speak both to and for other people.
You and I don’t have the same opportunity, nor do we have the same platform. Our words don’t appear on cable news, on nationally syndicated radio or in national newspapers. Theirs do.
So the next time a mindless Republican asks a progressive to answer for the words of a seeming nobody, remember that the hate speech you’re hearing from the right isn’t coming from a corresponding seeming nobody. It’s coming from people of prominence.
Not people of character, mind you, but people of prominence. And people whose warped sentiments speak for millions of their fellow travelers.
The truly sad thing about the Becks, Coulters and Allens of the world is that there’s a little bit of each of them in every Republican.
Every self-styled conservative caught defending their statements or, at the very least, looking the other way while they spew their bile is forgiving them for poisoning the debate. For cheapening it. For lowering the bar. For appealing to the lowest-common denominator. For pandering to the Republican base’s very worst tendencies and beliefs.
This is who they are: Self-styled moral scolds with a bit of an asshole problem.
It’s not that they simply never practice what they preach. It’s that their preaching is an overt effort to mask their inner depravity. For today’s Republicans, the phrase “Don’t judge a book by its cover” couldn’t be truer. Only now, with the cover rapidly deteriorating, the book itself is there for everyone to see.”
And Coulter’s “I love Tim McVeigh” rant is not even included!
That was posted at the Wichita Voice by farmgirl. GSheridan fights with her even when farmgirl is not here.
What are you talking about, Du? What was posted where? I don’t have the foggiest what you are talking about. How can we fight with farmie when she’s not here, praytell? I don’t go slumming to read the libs posts in their self-appointed banning, after all.
Give us details or fade back into the woodwork.
DU? Yet another nic for biplane/nemishits?
Du, aka ding-dong, go back and read my post – my topic came from the site I LINKED to – seems like YOU’RE the one with panties in a bunch.
And who are you?
Why the need to hide behind nic-switches?
Ashamed of your postings?Afraid of the bullies in your group?
Out with it.
You are so correct DU. They should read this and then you will know the true nature of DU. Then go to Town Hall or Free Republic and read the comments about the Edwards family. Compassionate conservatives are in short supply.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×512995
I bet little miss fossil fuels didnt like this cartoon over at the other blog either.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...
Sure she doesnt read the other blog!
I already said you dont know me.
Or perhaps GS does know me. Better than she is willing to admit. Especially to her husband.
READER!!!! Another NIC!!!! Holy ashamed of who I am Batman!!!!
GS
Why are you rehashing old news — the Huffington Post re: the VP is old news and for the most part resolved when the posts were removed from the blog.
The problem with Rosie is people like you actually listen to her and paint her with the all encompassing “liberal conspiracy” theory as if she were a spokesperson for the Democratic Party or liberals ….
Reader/Du/biplane/nemesis (or whatever dozens of nics you’ve chosen,)
If you can’t feel the lead up to violence from the liberals in the air – I don’t know what to tell you. Did you see the video of the soldier burned in effigy? How about Recruiting offices being vandalized? What about a Congressman who supports the Iraq War having his office trashed? Who has defaced the Vietnam Wall?
The so-called ‘peace’ movement is turning dark and violent.
If you don’t think much will come of this – study the history that led up to the 1968 Democratic Convention.
Oh my….why is it that history has that silly tendency to repeat itself?
The radical Left.Far from peaceful.
reader – oh that’s REALLY funny! Insinuating I know you in some intimate setting….
Grossssssss….
I have better taste than that.
ROFLMAO
Ken, I’m rehashing this, as an example of what some sites will sink to, and if you read my following posts, you will see I also included other references.
Each piece is part of a large – and not so pretty – picture. And due to the recent news, I’m wondering if those folks aren’t being watched a bit more than before.
Do you consider Ann “I love McVeigh” Coulter to be peaceful?
There are violent extremes everywhere. Ask the people of Oklahoma City.
SolDevVB is worried about my identity. Go ask Danny. Or Dave the Republican. Or Paul. Or Joe Fleetwood. They will be glad to tell you who I am. GSheridan may or may not know. But it is driving her crazy. I thought name changing was welcome here.
GSheridan has said many times how foolish it is to post one’s true name. She does not identify herself. And yet she wants anonymous posters to identify themselves. Your “husband” will be very disappointed in you.
Rofl. Brother Masons. The All Seeing Eye sees all.
Karl – another name?
Sorry, it doesn’t drive me crazy – it just makes me laugh to see the extent you will go to in an attempt to hide what you are so ashamed of… your illogical ideas.
Reminds me of a little poem:
Roses are Red,Violets are Blue,I’m schizophrenic,and so am I.
LOL
Wow…
Do you actually think Ann Coulter likes Tim McVeigh or really wanted people killed at the New York Times?
You have no idea of what Satire is or her manerisms.
Liberals love to latch onto one think someone misspeaks about and use it to characterize the individual as if he has always been a closet racist and it finally slipped out.
Unlike Democrats who were actually racist (Robert Byrd).
GSheridan is dancing. Dance, puppet, dance. Rofl.
One mispeak. Please learn to count.
Take a good look, America, because the smiling faces you see on the right belie a cold, dark interior far more accurate than outward appearances.
And remember what you see, because obscuring the truth about themselves is the only thing keeping the Republican Party from being marginalized to permanent minority status at the far fringes of society.
When Beck calls Hillary Clinton a “stereotypical bitch”, he’s speaking for the party.
When Coulter calls John Edwards a “faggot”, she’s speaking for the party.
When Allen calls a man of Indian descent “Macaca”, he’s speaking for the party.
When Bill Donohue says things like “The gay community has yet to apologize to straight people for all the damage that they have done,” he’s speaking for the party.
When Bill O’Reilly calls the victims of Hurricane Katrina “drug-addicted” and “thugs”, he’s speaking for the party.
When Bill Bennett says things like “you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down,” he’s speaking for the party.
When Pat Robertson calls for Hugo Chavez’s assassination, he’s speaking for the party.
When Brit Hume’s first thoughts after the London terror attacks was “Hmmm, time to buy,” he’s speaking for the party.
And when John Gibson wishes those attacks on France, he’s speaking for the party.
Pleased to be showing you a good day.
Joe,
When you put those quotes in their context you might have some shred of credibility.
But since it is glaringly obvious that you are not only taking them out of context, you are also stringing them together to paint a completely unsubstantiated point.
Like I said before, you can twist what people say, it doesn’t make them what you want to mischaracterize them as being.
Joe, et al, let me ask you a question.
Why are you here? You don’t seem to want to discuss the issues we’re talking about. You seem to want to attack and make personal accusations.
Weren’t you one of the fray that left because you didn’t LIKE that?
Do you even realize it is YOU and those like you who come here only to sling mud that have ruined your group’s chance for a sensible solution to the boycott?
You so quickly shoot the entire group in the foot.
Why?
As Fleettwood appropriately noted on the Fisters:
“They’re baaack!”
Check out this link and you will see where GSheridan gets her morning posts. Pleased to be reading the comments too.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1807537/posts
Dance little puppets dance.
Yes, they are back – only to disrupt.
Nothing new here.
GSheridan that post by Joe, is extracted right out of the Wichita Voice Blog. Just read it awhile ago.
Yep, they’re baaaack!!!
They can’t stand not to cause trouble, its in their nature. The Great Dividers – The Fisters.
From the writing style – my bet is on WSClark.
He never could walk a straight line, after all.
GSheridan. You either know who I am or you do not. Why do you care why I am here. Why do you care who I am. I thought name changes were welcome here. Are they not? Pleased to be telling me the answer.
WEll, WS, I don’t change my nic, so I can’t relate to your need to hide behind skirts.
If it makes you feel big and brave – so be it.
You bore me.
You really do.
Where is GMC70 to lecture you about twisting posters names. Fisters is a twisting of the name. I thought this blog was too civil for all that making fun of names. Why do you care what is posted on the other blog. Why is is so important that you have to post their words over here. The posters here make posts mocking themselves. Perhaps it is GSheridan and Dave who should be put on probation.
Paranoia runs deep. Dance puppet dance.
Pleased for you to be telling the truth.
Obviously, WS, you have some really deep-seated problems.
Please DON’T say NO to drugs.
You need ‘em, buddy.
Dance GSheridan Dance
BWHAHAHAH GSheridan thinks I am WS somebody. Paranoia runs deep. You should know. And so should your “husband”.
I know I know Im and idiot and so are all the posters who left here in a rage. we come here everyday and cry because we banned ourselfs. we regret it but we are to stupid to admit it. I guess i just admitted it now im afraid the others will hate me waaaaa hehehehehe
So,
This was what it was like before the boycott?
I have not been too active here for the past several months.
aircraft, were you part of the boycott, because it appears all you are doing is being an antagonist.
WS – you’re repeating, almost verbatim, the insults you posted last month. Of course it’s you.
And, once again, you don’t know anything about me – and it maddens you. I can almost see your face, red, shaking with rage behind your monitor, fingers pounding out insult after insult – while you spray the keyboard with spittle.
Oh yes, it’s you, WS.
Welcome back.
Again.
Nathan, yes, this is what it was like. Aircraft, and all the other strange names of today are really WSClark.
What I would give to be able to monitor this website to see what the IP address is of all the posters… not much, but it would be nice!
You are too much fun to toy with so alas, I must return to work. Nathan pleased to be asking Dave how much help it is to track IPs.
Dance GSheridan Dance. Your hatred knows no bounds.
Pleased to be saying thanks to WS, whoever she/he might be. You make great cover for me.
Rofl. Pleased to be laughing my butt off. Dance idiots dance.
Not really Nathan. One can get the IP of users, but IPs can be changed quite easily and hidden under anonymous or proxy server hiding.
What can be done though if a user is a nuisance or a threat to a business, they can contact the IP provider associated with the abuser and get the MAC ID of the individuals router or card, then ban by that.
The Internet Provider can also discontinue service to the person attached to a particular address.
What the Fisters don’t realize, if they continue to make a mockery of the WE Blog, the Publisher could just say “shut it down” and ruin it for everyone.
Dance Dave Dance.
If anyone wants to see little miss hoo hoo’s posts before she posts them, you too could sign up at townhall.com to recieve the daily talking points. Just like GSheridan.
http://www.townhall.com/Secure/Signup.aspx
Go to http://www.townhall.com to see the talking points for her most recent posts. http://www.freerepublic.com will get you the other talking points.
Pleased to be telling us why GSheridan has no thoughts of her own.
No posts have been threatening or harmful or abusive. If changing names were a banning offense this blog would have been shut down long ago. The only abusive post here is the one @ 11.53. So when will that poster admit his/her identity.
Paranoia runs deep. If changing names will mock this blog, Dave should have been banned long ago. I thought Republican defended name changing. Now he threatens to track the switchers and have them banned. rofl.
nemesis,
Who cares where GSheridan gets her talking points.
Everyone that has an idea or ideology that is carefully planned using talking points.
The Dems use Huffington, DU and other places.
What’s your point?
Is that all you got for boosting your self importance?
Or can you actually discuss the issues as the Editors of WE Blog present them?
Key word being “issues” not some blithering on what you think of other people.
This isn’t a gossip circle.
Yes joe. I know he has posted as Republikhan, Republican, Ksgolfnut, and others. So funny that he thinks name changing is mocking the blog. I believe it is only Dave and GSheridan who are being mocked. And they do not like it. Pleased to be showing they should stop mocking others.
Pleased to be having someone tell me if Republican is in charge of this blog, who posts and how they posts. I must seek his permission. Perhaps it is GSheridan who is in charge since she can put people on probation. I must seek her permission. Who is in charge of this blog? It does not appear that the editors care about name changes or name stealers. Why do you.
Really Aircraft, I post as those people? Want to make a $500,000.00 bet on that?
I didn’t think so.
This must be an example of the issues Dave wishes to have discussed. What the Fisters don’t realize, if they continue to make a mockery of the WE Blog, the Publisher could just say “shut it down” and ruin it for everyone.
Pleased to be telling me about the fisters.
Dance Dave Dance
Yes, Repbulican, it’s a sad and pitiful sight. WS on a nic-changing frenzy.
One’s thing’s for sure – if anyone here had any doubts about the integrity of the boycotter’s – WS has really put it into perspective today.
WS – are you still going around challenging folks to physical fights?
lol
Ignore the troll. don’t feed it anymore. You are giving it what it wants !!!!
joe, aka WSClarke says:
“Pleased to be saying thanks to WS, whoever she/he might be. You make great cover for me.”
————-
Nice try, WS, but your IP tells a different story.
ROFLMAO
You are SOOOOO busted.
Okay, Sol, you are right. WS can play by himself in the sandbox now. I’m going to get back to discussing the issues.
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Betcha, Teresa is going to go out and buy a few thousand plaques…
A naked wrong guess. But very amusing none the less. If you know my IP address it will be easy to post my real identity. Pleased to have you being doing that.
Perhaps these links will serve you well.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
http://www.thepolitico.com/
Now you may read your own GOP talking points. You now have no need for the services of GSheridan and her cut and paste approach to posting.
WS,
IP’s don’t work that way. An IP tracker can enumerate the IP. One can even pinpoint the general area where the IP states it is coming from.
However, only the Internet Provider knows the identity of a non-proxied IP user is.
Let’s say you use Cox and you go to a website that says your IP is:192.202.332.22. It can even show a map where your IP is.
Take a look at
http://whatismyipaddress.com/
It will show you a map where your Internet Provider is,not your personal address.
Then plug the IP in here and see what comes up:
http://www.arin.net/whois/
GSheridan,
It just will show your Internet Provider not the individual.
I guess I sort of knew the civility and adult conversation/discourse was too good to last. The childish claims and immature attacks have begun again.
*sigh*. Oh well..it was good while it lasted.
Gsheridan and Republican are no better than those who left.
So now the troll is back. I did not write that about GS and Republican, as anyone here would know.
Amazing…the libs are trickling back, and the trolling starts up again. Coincidence?
Anybody know where I kin get a biografy on Rosa “Clark”?
Just don’t feed the damn thing. It’ll come back tomorrow :->
Republican, a question or two:
If you contacted an internet service provider and asked for the MAC address that a person with a certain IP address used, do you think they would give it to you? (Subquestions: would the ISP always have that information? Does everything connected to the Internet have a MAC address?)
Then, even if you knew it, how would you use it? That is. does the TCP/IP protocol transmit MAC addresses when it makes a request of a web server?
Can’t wait for the far right reaction if a jury acquits Tiller of the charges. Will they then argue that the 12 impartial people were planted on the jury?
Yes, I understand that Republican, but not everyone has a big provider, like COX, and if the IP they posted from before – matches the one they are using now, and it’s not a blanket one….it at least indicates it is the same person, right? Since we have folks from many different areas. When you add that – to the writing style it makes some overwhelming evidence of who it is. Or at teh least – a VERY strong coincidence?
I’m convinced our troll is WS. He’s probably back-tracking on his secret board as fast as he can to keep the bullies at bay. lol
Anonymous, I think you need a subpoena to get the detailed records. Or a friend who works there that is willing to rat out folks for you.
Raptor – no worries – we all know you wouldn’t write stuff like that. We know it was a troll.
Hey – change of subject.
Anyone here familiar with the old NewsMax forum? Before it crashed and burned in one hell of a flame?
Right-wing extremist NewsMax had a blog? And you complain about DU?!
Oh, it was a forum – no measly blog, that one. It had thousands of registered posters, and passwords were required to enter the “Middle East” section of the forum.
Probably the same amount of Liberals and Conservatives there.
It was highly moderated – paid mods who watched and read everything in their area.
Anyway, it’s been gone for six years, or so, but it was the grand-daddy of them all.
Just wondering if anyone from here – was there back then.
Oh, and DU – it’s not even in the same league. It’s just a radical leftist site that only fanatics visit.
Thanks, GS..
GSheridan,
That’s true, it would take a subpoena or at least a complaint to investigate an IP address. A complaint wouldn’t reveal an identity, but might get the abuser blocked.
Anon re: Mac Address:Not really, but there are ways which I’m not willing to discuss here. For most situations no, MAC ID’s are internal router related.
Let’s just say there is a way to track people down and identify them. The FBI has very sophisticated hardware and software techniques for doing this.
An Internet Provider may have to do some extra work like back tracking from the complaining client. It can be done, but it’s not easy.
If the user abusing a service uses a proxy service, his/her IP can be so convoluted behind a series of servers it’s impossible to track.
Sorry for being confusing, but its very technical and probably not well-suited to describe here.
Okay, Republican, so if I use (for instance) Steganos Anonymizer Pro, the IP will track back to which ever proxy is currently showing?
I can test it by using the page you linked to earlier?
Are you saying that the FBI can track beyond that IP spoofing stuff?
Hmmmmmmmmmm!!!!
If you are using an anonymizer, the tracer will only show the proxy IP number,not yours. There are ways to find out your real IP number, but not saying. :)
Anything can be tracked unless it’s encrypted. Very few people like DOD and security banking have encrypted servers/software. You can send encrypted mail or documents though.
More specifically email address GSheridan that FBI can track.
However, NSA has some nice toys, which I know nothing about. Rumors have it they can listen in on anyone using anything at anytime. But that’s a rumor. ;)
It apparently never dawned on the radical right that the same nic switchers that drove the lefties away may now be harassing THEM.
“Dance, puppet, dance,” was a troll’s (who now goes by the name of “Republican”) favorite line.
How convenient to conclude that only left-wingers troll so any troller must be a left-winger.
GSheridan,
Yeah with your Anonymizer fired up, go to that page. It should show your proxy server IP and not your IP.
If it doesn’t then your anonymizer is not on or aint’ working
No Mr. Blank, “Dance Puppet Dance’ is from a song, 60s or 70s I believe. I’m not sure, but may have been used in some varied form in Pinocchio. Don’t have the script for that movie. :)
Wow, that’s interesting, Republican. Thanks for the info.
I knew how to get the IP from an email address, and how to find out who owns a website, but I didn’t know they used emails specifically to track, but it makes sense.
I don’t suppose you’re going to share how to track IP’s through a proxy?
About encryption…I don’t understand the concept. If I encrypt an email – and I used to have an encrypted account at Ziplip.com then when I send the message – the person who I sent it to – still got it just like always. Does encrypted mean that no one can intercept it? But couldn’t they just finger my – or the receiver’s computer?
To me – encryption sounds like it’s all scrambled up – but when the person gets it – it’s quite legible.
I guess I’m thinking back to those old decoder rings from Cracker Jacks that gave you a code to solve an encrypted message.
Must not work that way though, huh?
Republican – I’ve had a conflict with my anonymizer since switching to FireFox. I guess I might need to find one that works better with it.
Because I’m not going back to IE.
“Anything can be tracked unless it’s encrypted.”
But, WE’RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!!!
Since this is getting into what I’d generally consider my own expertise.
IP addresses can be spoofed, so can MAC addresses. These are the premises for which DoS attacks can occur. (Denial of Service) It is why just knowing these two things are not necessarily perfect in proving anything. However, it also is unlikely that many people do this routinely.
Yes, MAC addresses to my knowledge are attached to TCP packets. It is part of the TCP spec if I’m not mistaken. It is how the hardware determines if a packet really is for it or not.
Anonymizers(such as Steganos) make the webserver that is visited think they(proxy) are the client, then pass the page and data on to you(real client). So the webserver as far as it is concerned only knows about Steganos.
Other free methods of anonymizing include(though not limited to): Tor and Privoxy. Both are free and open source(I believe the latter is true also).
In a very brief nutshell:Tor bounces around traffic so much that it is likely impossible to trace the origin, and Privoxy does what anonymizers do. Between the two, you are likely not to be caught, without alot of work involved.
Can the FBI track beyond that? Yes they can, with subpoenas and other court orders. So if Steganos keeps logs, then tracing back to you is rather “routine”.
Encryption works by several methods. It uses data bits for encryption.
You might have seen for instance 128 bit encryption. That type just uses the 128 bit encrypting algorithm to scramble your email.
Any server like your bank or an online store that uses https instead of http is a secure socket layer encryption.
Any message can be intercepted if it uses wires or even radio waves or microwave. Decrypting the message is another matter.
I just checked over at the cut and run site. GS must be right because WSClark is making lame excuses as quick as he can. It is an interesting read if you have nothing better to do. Remember GS how you get the IP is private, dont give out your secrets.
GSheridan,
I love FireFox, keep with it. I think all anonymizer crash including the one I use. I’ve tried several.
No suggestions there, they are all kind of buggy.
Danny – Steganos claims they don’t turn over records, but I doubt their sincerity. A subpoena is a subpoena after all. The rest of what you said went sailing over my head for the most part. Maybe I’ll try the free ones you listed before I buy something else to see if they are compatible with FireFox.
Republican – okay, so does the encryption method automatically UNencrypt the message when it gets to the designated person? That’s where I get confused. Are their decryption programs out there?
BlogPatrol, how do you know ‘my secrets?’ I don’t have any secrets – just little helpers.
Try this for email encryption explanation.
http://email.about.com/cs/pgp/a/public_key_enc.htm
Thanks for all the help. That’s much clearer now. I’m still not sure I get the 128 bit encryption part, but I DO understand the process behind how it works.
I think.
LOL
REpublican, I got that feeling too from everything I have read. I used Steganos with IE, but I really like FireFox so much better.
And I get far less spyware now, too.
I’m running ZoneAlarm but I’ve heard there is another security proggie that will track back attempts to infiltrate your puter.
Have you heard of that?
That’s really cute, WS. Did you think I wouldn’t catch it?
GSheridan,
If you double click your Xone Alarm icon, you will see an Alerts and Logs category.
Click on that and it will tell you about any warnings or intruders by IP number. Most of them will be for commercial services like if you try to download software or from a service like Napster.
The Clintons tried to ban military uniforms at the White House! Shame and horrors!
http://www.slate.com/id/2162672/nav/tap2/
I’m confused, is Rosie saying that the Brits did this on purpose (to get a Gulf of Tonkin reaction) or that the Iranians were correct for doing what they did, kidnapping people from international waters or Brits accidentally strayed into Iranian waters?Anyone?
Gene,
With GPS location devices on every naval vessel, it is unlikely the British strayed into Iranian waters.
Admission by WSClark on the Wichita Voice Blog…
This has been an interesting day, to say the least. I’ve been busyas Hell today, not including my time “posting” on the OTHER blog,and I’m not looking forward to tomorrow. I prefer to handle my mischief via telephone, but that just won’t work in this situation.
I actually attempted to post this at the ‘other’ site, but I’m not interested spending the time and trouble jumping through the various hoops to put it there. And given that several of our former friends are lurking here (Hi, WS!), I’ll just post it here. It’s not worth the trouble to get in to the other site just for this one post. Here goes; keep in mind, all, this was written to post there, not here.____________________________________________________________________
This will be my only post over here.
God knows not everyone is a genius at WE blog. Certainly I’ve written things and then wondered why I said what I said. There are those who are impressive writers and those who are not; those I answer and those I ignore; those who I agree with and those who I don’t. And I suppose we are all hypocrits from time to time (reminds me of the line from a preacher friend; when someone points out that the church is full of hypocrits, he simply responds that we always have room for one more). Human beings are amazingly good at truly believing one thing and doing another.
But the posters at WE are, as a group, hands down better than the self-rightous group of assholes (excuse my French) over here, working their arms out of socket patting themselves on the back. There is diversity of opinion and personality there; here, there is only the echo-chamber as this boycott blog circles its way, ever smaller, down the drain, self-congratulating and mouthing the DU line. There, differing opinions are exchanged, sometimes endlessly and seemingly pointlessly and often more vociferiously than I would like. I try (and sometimes fail) to say on a blog only things I would say face to face in a public forum; some see the relative anonymity of a blog as license to say anything. I’ve also tried to reign that in, with only limited success. It’s probably a lost cause. I’m ultimately responsible only for me. As all of us are responsible, ultimately, only for ourselves.
However, I will gladly accept the annoyance of the occasional nic-switch or troll to get real diversity, something entirely lacking here. This group simply doesn’t tolerate dissenting opinion.
WS, I don’t know if you’ve posted over there as the “nic-switcher” or not. I don’t have the computer knowledge to find out (my eyes glaze over at talk of IP addresses and packets), and I frankly don’t care. But you certainly have a lot of GALL to accuse others of the sin of hypocricy. You’re a bright guy (though I think you have anger control issues). I’D CHALLENGE YOU to step back and read your own posts, here and at the old blot. Read your immediate reaction when Paul dropped in here a few days ago, with a friendly hello. Instant nastiness. Tell me that you’d like to exchange ideas with someone like that. Don’t tell me that someone else started it; that excuse doesn’t fly, I’m sure, with your kids, and shouldn’t with you either.
Yea, it’s bad. You have issues, sir.
The lot of you; how quickly you threw JR under the bus. You are a shameful group. Do you really think that this is your private playground, and others need your ‘permission’ to post? You appear to be upset that WE blog wasn’t that private echo chamber, so you’ve attempted to set up your own.
Vaughn; you can certainly post where you like. I’ve consistently respected your analytical skills and your considered opinion, even when we disagree. But please don’t imagine that you can post over there as normal and then come over here and wallow in the “holier than thou” routine. Being an honest broker means being an honest broker. You can’t be all things to both “sides.”
Folks, I’d rather “laugh with the sinners whan cry with the saints.” And saints you ain’t; you just imagine yourselves to be. None are so foolish as those who fool themselves.
There are times, it appears, when subtracting means gaining. For WE blog, it turns out this is one of those times. And that’s too bad; it didn’t have to be that way.
Enjoy your private party; it’s a small and incestuous one.
Goodnight. And goodbye.
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Well, there you go. Perhaps one of you who has already signed in can post it over there; I know Vaughn is posting in both places. Some will see it as they lurk anyway, just as some who lurk there and post here would have seen it. If you copy and post this over ‘there,’ I’d ask only that you post it as is.
There. I’ve got that off my chest. I feel better.
Now – what was the topic again???