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RAQ: Green Zone Construction Boom
In Baghdad, the United States is now building a monument to rank with Grand Coulee Dam, the Pentagon, Disney World and the Mall of America. It has elements of all four, plus a 15-foot stone wall and surface-to-air missiles.
by David Sarasohn, OregonianMay 3rd, 2006
Despite what everyone says, it’s just not true that this generation of Americans is not building massive monuments to leave as our timeless legacy to our posterity.
We’re just not building them here.
But in Baghdad, the United States is now building a monument to rank with Grand Coulee Dam, the Pentagon, Disney World and the Mall of America. It has elements of all four, plus a 15-foot stone wall and surface-to-air missiles.
It’s the new American embassy in Iraq, the biggest U.S. embassy anywhere, maybe the biggest embassy anywhere ever. According to the Associated Press and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the embassy area will cover 104 acres — 10 times the size of a typical U.S. embassy space, six times the size of the United Nations compound in New York, and about the area of Vatican City, which is its own country.
The embassy takes in 21 buildings, including six apartment buildings; power generator, water source and purification plant; a recreation building with swimming pool, gym and food court; five high-security entrances plus an emergency entrance/exit.
It is, to use a phrase popular with the Bush backers a while ago and less widely used now, the embassy of an empire. Expressing the deepest aspirations of the United States at this moment in history, it’s kind of a cross between Caesar Augustus and Donald Trump.
It’s also a clear statement — a literally concrete statement — that the United States plans to be a dominant presence in Iraq for a long time.
At its beginning,http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13538
You gotta love the arrogance of the Kansas legislators. House Majority Leader (this is a leader ?)Ray Merrick does not believe in free speech. He wants to fire a state employee because a bumper sticker critical of the Bush war. Well, he is a small-town Republican in Kansas… but really. Oh, maybe it’s the f- word that bothers him. I assume that if the bumer sticker said f- the Republicans, he would want the death penalty imposed.Really you have to see this, it’s far too good to pass up.http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/16931858.htm
I would fire her, too. Not because she used the word, “war,” but because she used the “f…” word.
If the bumper sticker said “f… John Kerry,” I would STILL fire her, if she did not remove it when asked.
I think that falls under the heading of inappropriate “off job conduct.”
And this is funny, because in CA, and other libbie States, employers are actually firing folks for smoking….at HOME! And the libbies support that.
Cops can get fired for drinking publically OFF the job.
What is an additional worry about this woman is her antisocial bumpersticker that appears to be in the realm of ‘fanaticism.’
I know I don’t want to pay the salary of a loose cannon.
And let’s be honest here – anyone who would post the “f…” word publically – has a screw loose. She should try to find a job more to her liking – like GreenPeace, or something.
GS–
Unlike most of your posts that I agree with, I fail to find reason in your line about using the “f word” means you have a screw loose.
The shock value of that word has pretty much disappeared. Public use of it doesn’t necessarily mean a mental problem..just a lack of vocabulary skills.
“And let’s be honest here – anyone who would post the “f…” word publically – has a screw loose.”
So you agree that Cheney has a screw loose? And perhaps he should be fired?
I can’t exactly recall the number of times I’ve used the “F” word. All of them though is when I had hurt myself and it slipped out.
On swearing, was always told to use this guideline – Never say anything you wouldn’t say in front of your grandmother, a Judge, your three year old or God on Judgment Day. :)
Supporting the troops?
http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/16/magazines/fsb/rehire_vet.fsb/index.htm?postversion=2007031906
This week is a special week for people like me. However, you can not find this information on any news site, so I figured I’d post it here to see what happens.
You see, I have a disease called Klinefelter’s Syndrome. Basically what Klinefelter’s is, it deals with the amount of chromozones that were created back when you were born. I have the most common occurance called 47XXY. Basically what that means is that I have 47 chromozones in my body (unlike the normal 46) in the pattern of XXY.However, the people who I speak with often online have put out a notice stating that for this next week it’s going to be “International Klinefelter’s Awareness Week”.Therefore, could someone please post out for others to know about this interesting and little known issue.The official web site is: http://www.KlinefelterSyndromeAware.Com.
That’s a very tough choice HardTruth. The vet who has a spine injury was employed at a company with an employee size of eight people. His job was to install boilers.
On one hand you could accommodate the Vet with some other type of job he could do according to his disabilities which most likely wouldn’t be installing boilers.
This would mean letting to of the replacement guy who installs boilers and replacement him with the injured vet who cannot.
What does this do to the Company’s bottom line and productivity? Will the loss of one person in your productivity cause you to go bankrupt? Or will it not make a difference?
Since we didn’t hear from the employer, it would be hard to say.
Most boilers I’ve seen are down in basements and surrounded by pipes. This would probably, along with the spine wrenching position, eliminate the Veteran from doing the job. Maybe or no?
A lot of this is unclear and hopefully the Veteran gets employment at his old place of work with some kind of accommodation.
“So you agree that Cheney has a screw loose? And perhaps he should be fired?”
First of all my Constitionally challenged friend, Cheney is the Vice President. He can’t be fired.
Second of all, Cheney, despite the MSM hysterics, did not use the ‘F’ word in public. He did not use it on the’floor’ of the Senate. He used it in the Senate cloak room. It was a private conversation with Leahy.
Cheney had every right to use what ever language he wanted in private to make his point. The fact that the liberals make such a big deal out of it only points out their continued hypocrasy.
Hank
Actually he can be “fired” – through the process of impeachment/conviction. And, of course, he could also follow the path of Spiro Agnew.
Really, the case of the f’n bumper sticker is a complicated one if we examine it.
Us Americans like to think we have a right to free speech here in America, and can voice our views in a non-violent manner without retribution.The argument presented by several posters here, and though not stated, most likely also by the House Majority Leader, is that as an employee a person is responsible to act in a manner their employer approves of when off the clock.
The conflict obviously arises, as with the bumper sticker, when an employee communicates views that are covered under the First Amendment, but which their employer does not agree with. Should the employer be able to limit the speech of an employee when said employee is not on company time?
You know what get me? It is minutiae (minor points) to combat the real points.lord knows I can think of a number of things to take Bush and the war in Iraq to task over! Gonzales memo to Bush when he was Presidential council outlining by calling Al-Qaeda and Taliban prisoner taken as “enemy combatants” instead of POWs will give Bush&Co. a shield and defense in future charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity. By using what many would consider torture as a interrogation technique.And thus allowing them not to be covered by the Geneva Convention. Who the heck knew that the day would come that the President of the United States would have to consider or use tactics that would put him or this country in danger of being charged as a war criminal?
How the “Bush Doctrine” is a crayon copy of the PNAC’s “statement of Principles”.Arguing that as the last super power, it gives us the right to use our military might to control the world and keep anyone friend or foe a like from ever getting powerful enough to stand against us. As the shining light of the world, you would think that there would be no need to force anyone to adopt our way of life. Nor that we would feel that America should attack others to keep them from become more like us. Screaming about the right to self defense while denying other the same right! Talk about an UN-AMERICAN VIEW!
But this first post here is just crazy! Anyone with common sense knows that in Iraq we will need a smaller foot print to keep peace in the country and the Middle East. I have a hard time believing the source and this is just a cheap attempt to make a false anger when there is already enough to be angry about!
Please, if you wish to bring down Bush&Co. stick to realistic points, this is nothing more then reaching for a point instead of tackling the subjects that can matter. I see both side engage in this kind of tactic, if they can not find any real points, information, or counterpoint to make. The response is to point out smaller and in the end meaningless points that have nothing to do with the point that is being countered.It is the classic “If you can not dazzle them with brilliance… Baffle them with BS!”.
I am no fan of Bush&Co, I fully believe that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake that has taken our eyes of the real enemies of this country and has actually aided and embolden those that want to destroy this Nation. But stick to the facts and real issues, it does neither parties nor this nation good to ignore the facts and important issues to focus on minutiae.
Like the Republican Congress man who instead of pointing out what was a lie or showing that the status of Valerie Plames Wilson was not covert at the time she as outed as a CIA agent. He instead used his time to make a point that both Wilson’s are Democrats?He embarrassed the Republican party and this nation! The Democrats are not going after the above listed points and are now focusing on the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys who served at the pleasure of the President and if he so liked could fire because they combed their hair the wrong way! MINUTIAE!
OMG, if you want a fight there is a guy named Bin Laden and a group that is now world wide that wishes to bring this country to our knees called Al-Qaeda! There are several countries that are actively supporting their cause and we are losing the support of the world in this matter! Our world image is such that even countries and people that do not support the terrorists are cheering the thought of our down fall!
Take issue with these and other important issues, if you have a fact something that is relevant make it! But stop the spin while this country is in danger! Else grab a knitting needle and knit while this country head to its death and scream “Gallo tee.. Gallo tee!”.Sometime people make me sick! Ahhhh
I was one of the first to express dismay at Cheney’s slip of the tongue, but there is a HUGE difference between what he did – and what this gal is doing.
I don’t use the “f” word, and I don’t respect the use of it from others. I KNOW it is MUCH more common, and tons of movies use it – as well as books, but it doesn’t impress me one bit.
However, Cheney slipped up – and apologized. He was rightly raked over the coals. I expect our leaders to show better decorum.
But this gal was even ASKED to please remove the bumper sticker that she so PUBLICLY put on her car. Someone who needs to use this sort of VERY VISIBLE shock value to get a point across – has a screw loose. I’m sorry – but that’s just a fact. I totally support her saying that word in her own home, in her car, wherever she chooses, but to purposely subject others (especially children,) to that kind of language – is beyond disrespectful…in my opinion, anyway.
I think it says a LOT about her lack of integrity.
And her ‘in your face’ attitude doesn’t seem like a character trait suited to that job.
Does no one have any respect for anything anymore?
…sigh….
Then again, I would fire the idiots that drive around in that stupid ‘abortion’ van in Wichita, every inch plastered with graphic photos of dead fetuses in various states of dismemberment.
Talk about shocking children.
Disgusting!
I’d love to see her get a bumper sticker saying “Cheney the War”
“Someone who needs to use this sort of VERY VISIBLE shock value to get a point across – has a screw loose. I’m sorry – but that’s just a fact.”
No, that would be your opinion.
Lol HardTruth
HardTruth – she could do that. I’d be fine with that.
Ok, Brian, you’re correct it IS only my opinion.
I would still fire her for it.
GS I am glad I don’t f***ing work for you
Jesus Tomb’ documentary got it wrong
Stephen Pfann, a textual scholar and paleographer at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem, said he has released a paper claiming the makers of “The Lost Tomb of Jesus” were mistaken when they identified an ancient ossuary from the cave as belonging to the New Testament’s Mary Magdalene.
Before the movie was screened, “Director” Jacobovici said that particular inscription provided crucial support for his claim. The name Mariamene is rare, and in some early Christian texts it is believed to refer to Mary Magdalene.
But having analyzed the inscription, Pfann, who made a brief appearance in the film as an ossuary expert, published a detailed article on his university’s Web site asserting that it doesn’t read “Mariamene” at all.
The inscription, Pfann said, is made up of two names inscribed by two different hands: the first, “Mariame,” was inscribed in a formal Greek script, and later, when the bones of another woman were added to the box, another scribe using a different cursive script added the words “kai Mara,” meaning “and Mara.” Mara is a different form of the name Martha.
According to Pfann’s reading, the ossuary did not house the bones of “Mary the teacher,” but rather of two women, “Mary and Martha.”
Brian – the feeling’s mutual.
:)
Saw the documentary. I am satisfied that the human being at the base of the Jesus stories has been found.
Oh and fu** Republican employers! In fact? Fu** MOST Republicans. Fu** them right in the ear! heh heh
JR – ‘fu**’ isn’t a cuss word.
Go ahead, write the real word since you seem itchin’ for a switchin’.
Is something holding you back?
Something called decency?
Just like Brian, you take out some of the letter so the real ‘f’ word isn’t actually spelled out.
For all you guy’s demonstrations of outrage – both of you are loath to use the correct word yourselves.
I rest my case.
Yep,
All you have to do to convince some people is to make a documentary aimed at the 10 to 12 year old audience and presto!
The world is coming to an end and there is no God!
Hank
Interesting point GSheridan.
I’ve no aversion to using that word. I just don’t use a lot of profanity in my posts. I never have. And I understand there is a “bot” on the forum now that prevents such a thing. SO I figure actually using the word, as I WOULD in this instance, is a waste of typing since it would not work anyway. SO it is not me blanching from the word. It is me almost instinctively editing myself to accomodate the forum.
Kinda scary how watching what you say can become sort of automatic. NOT the sort of thing that should be encouraged, I think.
GS – good points, and I appreciate your consistency.
You can test your curse words here. :D
http://republikan.typepad.com/republikansan/
JR – lol, I can kinda see where you are coming from.
I was humming/singing a catchy tune a couple of months ago that I heard on the radio, and my daughter asked me if I knew what the lyrics were. After she told me – I was kind of embarrassed, they were pretty nasty. Totally ruined that tune for me. It was still stuck in my head, but I wouldn’t hum it anymore. Self-censoring?
Hank?
That documentary is not at odds with the existece of god.As I understand it, Jesus was god in human flesh so that he could live the human experience. Why wouldn’t he marry and have a child?
Everyday life convinced me there was no god a long time ago. A lot of people who CLAIM to follow Jesus’s teachings reconfirm it for me on a daily basis. Al Franken’s “Supply side Jesus” is a good treatment on that.
I remember when there was a huge discussion on the Web about the origin of the “F” word. Some thought it was an old English custom, where they would hang a sign over an adulterer that read – For unlawful carnal knowledge. There are several versions of it Supposed later versions of it lead to the phrase to be abbreviated.
The last version I heard that this was another myth and it comes from Germanic or Nordic words meaning strike with a penis.
No one really knows the origin.
Fun stuff on word origin:http://www.etymonline.com/
I tried to post the URL, but the filter did not like the F word in it. You can type it yourself in the search field of the etymology website.
No J R,
But it is at odds with the Gospels.
You’re mistake in believing there is no God is that you examine other’s relationship with God and ignore your own.
Hank
I do not know if I would say decency keeps me from using the f-word on here, rather, I view it as unprofessional to wantonly curse. I always try to word my posts as professionally as possible and still make my points.
I am certainly not averse to dropping the f-bomb when needed. However, I do it in a calculated manner (or as a reaction to pain) to make a point.
GS, far from outrage, my post above about not wanting to work for you was purely for humor and meant to be a friendly jest. I apologize if you took it otherwise.
I don’t see where firing someone for the f-bomb is a problem. Yes, you have a right to free speech, to a point. Being fired doesn’t interfere with your right to say something filthy and vulgar. This woman made a choice. She placed using a very foul term over keeping her job.Freedom of Speech does not rule out the consiquences of bad judgment.
In 1986 I retired off a fast attack submarine. I was the Bull Nuke when I retired.
I was on the Batfish and of the last two years of my Navy career I was underway, submerged for about 15 months.
When you are isolated on a submarine for that long the crew becomes a different species. Needless to say most of my sentences contained profanity.
Since retirement I have tried very hard to eliminate profanity from my every day discourse. I very seldom slip anymore, even when I hit my thumb with a hammer.
Hank
About the only person I’ve ever heard saying the “F” word without taking much offense was Sean Connery.
Something about the Scottish accent I suppose. :)
Infernal (and others) how do you feel about this scenario:
Your employer decrees that it wants to remain politically neutral in light of the upcoming elections. Thus, employees that speak out on political issues are contraindicating the interests of the company. Therefore, your company has forbid employees from posting on political forums and displaying candidate signs in their yards.
You post here. Your employer says stop or be fired. Thoughts???
Which gospels?
There are a lot of them you know. This is why I believe that Jesus was an actual hisotorical figure.
Oh and I want no relationship with God thank you no. I’ll be requiring some blessings to be coming down before I offer up any hosannahs. And I do not necessarily mean blessings for me or mine. There’s an awful lot of folks who could use the help before me.
To me this is why Christianity and the Republican party are the perfect marriage. That old Calvinist thinking that if you are doing well you are right with god and if you are suffering it is your own fault squares perfectly with the GOPs blame the victim creed.
As long as you don’t put anything on a Blog that associates your name with an Employer, not much the Employer can do about it.
Example:
If you put a message on How you think NAFTA sucks and your Boss for whatever reason supports NAFTA; then you sign or make known in the post that you are the Executive Vice President of Blah Blah Associates -
I would say your Boss might have a word with you about associating the company name with anti-NAFTA rhetoric.
If you post under the screen name of HomertheGomer and never make any reference to your Employer or where you work, then there is not much he can do about it.
I should have added to the “Boss” objecting to Blog postings…
A smart Boss will find some “Cause” if he is determined to fire you.
Sort of like the US Attorney firings. :)
Well, Republican, there must be something your boss can do about it even if you don’t identify your job and employer.Otherwise, the bumper sticker at the Statehouse would not be an issue.I don’t think the state employee in the bumper sticker case had another bumper sticker that said who she was and that she works for the State.
Republican, HomertheGomer is kind of catchy. Maybe I should use it in case my boss is reading :)
In case anyone is interested where everyone else is, and what they’re sayioing about you all:
http://www.wichitavoice.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/3/14/Open-Thread#comments
alkdsjds,
Ummm….who really cares what the Cut N’ Run quitters think about, well…anything. I’m sure it’s a big lonley lib-fest over there anyway. And if they’re still reading this blog, here’s one for them:
Bye! Nobody misses you.
Al Gore is personally delivering the message below to Congress this Wednesday.Click the link to add your name.
http://www.algore.com“To my representatives in Washington D.C.,We must not ignore the climate crisis any longer. The impacts are clear and the solutions to the problem are within our grasp. Congress must take real action now to stop global warming.”
alkdsjds , I saw that place one day last week. One of them has been regularly keeping me up on the ’scoop.’
I don’t wish them any ill feelings. I admit it’s quite a bit nicer here since they left, and while post count has gone down, so has the animosity.
Sure, we had threads with over a hundred posts, but 90% of them were just nasty threats, insults and slams.
Since then it’s been peaceful, and the vast majority of the posts are on topic.
I DO agree, however, about registrations. Most formats do that. But, it’s not really MY decision – it’s the decision of the WE and they have chosen to run it this way.
I’ll be happy to debate with ANY of the boycotter’s when, or IF, they return. There’s only one of them that I truly feel is messed up beyond redemption, and this is the Net, so even that person’s demeanor might be unfairly warped by the quickness and mysteriousness of a typed page without a face….
In fact, I feel a little sorry for them, they issued an ultimatum, and were turned down. That’s gotta hurt. But, I’m not an I-told-you-so kind of person.
I don’t think any of us left here are.
Oh, I think they will have fun at their new blog. Most of them are into Blog life for the entertainment or social aspect of it anyway.
Sometimes with all the yelling a voice can be lost amongst all the noise. Maybe, since they are among their own kind like-mindedness they will be able to hear their own voices.
Best of luck on your new Blog.
Probably true, Republican.
I wish them well, too.
No hard feelings guys. This place just wasn’t “big enough for the both of us.” …in my best John Wayne drawl…..
lol
We will see who the bad actors are when the good posters come back.
I predict the trolling and nic stealing will start up again. This is not because they are the ones doing it. The perpetrators are still posting here. They just don’t have any one to victimize right now.
My opinion of each poster on the right will be based from that point on on how they police their own. I will act accordingly. In other words, unlike those who are protesting, I am not above engaging in the tactics of trolling and nic stealing IF you all seem to be ok with it from “your own”. It will be a case of treating you by the standards you allow for others.
Do unto and all that.
J R,If I’ve offended anybody that is protesting, I’ll apologize here also. I don’t think that I have. However, I am more conservative than those protesting I think.
LOL J R…
Nothing like announcing in advance you are going to disrupt a blog.:)
Or you could run along on to the other Blog and enjoy life. :)
JR – what has happened (in my opinion,) is the akin to a burr being removed from under a saddle.
They probably get along better by themselves, as do we. But when diametrically opposed opinions start clashing – things get nasty. It’s just the nature of the beast.
I said before, I miss a couple of them but new posters are registering here everyday. Perhaps some are just new nics for the ones who left – but I like to think that we are actually getting some brand new blood. Like a totally new transfusion of ideas.
I wish there were a way to prevent the nic stealing, and I would MUCH prefer going to a format like VBulletin, or the like, but I’m a guest here, and as such, I’ll stay as long as it interests me.
I don’t know if you were on the original boards here at WE before this blog – but they are tougher to navigate and pretty hairy. I was there almost from the inception, along with a number of folks still here – and those who just left, under different names.
WE didn’t change that format, so I kinda think they wont change this one.
On the positive side – I’ve gotten a chance to know you apart from the ones who left – and, well…you ain’t half bad.
:)
JR,
You attempt to speak with authority and seniority. You fail. You are transparent. You are welcome to go join the Cut N’ Runners club. You will not be missed.
SOB?
Your opinion means less than nothing to me.
Ditto for RepublicanKhan JM.
YOU two are part of the problem. I am ready willing and acting on the solution!
GSheridan
You I regard a bit higher. You walked into a buzz saw here.
My understanding is you come from a conservative dominated forum. This place must have been quite an adjustment! It is ALSO a worthy forge in which to test yourself. WHEN it isn’t just a who knows who pie fight. THAT is what the protesters are fighting for. I’m proud of them.
I like fighitng. But I never use anything another poster hasn’t already brought here. So far.
This nation is SO terribly divided. I fear for its future if we cannot even police ourselves in our debate.
“I am not above engaging in the tactics of trolling and nic stealing IF you all seem to be ok with it from “your own”. It will be a case of treating you by the standards you allow for others.
Do unto and all that. ”
JR~ shouldn’t ones behavior and standards be dictated by ones own convictions? And, not the actions of others?
If not, then we all descend to the lowest common denominator. Doing so allows the slimiest to win.
“Sanford”
Your entire post is the basis of the protest! The protesters would not descend to the bad behaviors. The forum was SO overrun with it they either had to go there and make it even worse, or call a stop. They’ve called a stop.
Actually, I’m glad you spoke up “Sanford”.
SEE how I put your nic in quotes? It’s because I’m not sure you are not someone using a different nic. If you ARE new, you have a prejudice against you not of your making. The trolling and nic stealing and switching are the cause of that.
Isn’t that right JMRepublicanKan?
No, it is the same Sanford as always. I don’t know what you mean by a prejudice against me.
I won’t waste time arguing the protest, I am merely commenting on your one single post that I refenced above.
“The protesters would not descend to the bad behaviors.”
Ok, I reconsidered,,,,,,,,,,, Please, JR, you cannot honestly beleive that venom was spewing in only one direction. That only one side of the aisle is responsible.
Need I remind you of the “AssTampon” invective launched from the left?
Yes, JR, this nation is so very divided, and while all of us are saddened by it – we don’t all come to the same conclusions on how to heal the rift.
I come from the Ayn Rand school of thought on just about everything fiscal, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to help those in bad situations.
I do. And I help as much as I can – but I do it personally. I work on Habitat Houses, I’ve even given them lots on which to build. I help Seniors as often as I can, and from the time my kids were little, we adopted a family for Christmas, so they could see what it is like to help others.
I just have a problem with the government mandating the money OUT of my pocket and not allowing me to say whom it helps.
I like the idea of the pioneers who first settled here – building one neighbor’s barn one weekend, and then another’s the next. I like the idea of everybody pitching in and helping.
And, yes, I surely DID walk into a buzz saw here – but that’s all mellowed out and everyone seems to be on a good track now.
I welcome back any who left – but I also understand if they choose to form their own group. I’ve seen these forums split and divide time and again over the years, and it is usually a good life lesson for all of us.
I DO miss linda, however. She made salient points and did so without shouting. I had once insulted her badly – and feel sorry to this day for that. I hope she can forget that.
Brian, If it came down to quit blogging or lose my job, I’d quit blogging (don’t do it that much anyway till lately). I wouldn’t appreciate having to make that choice. Sure, maybe you could sue your employer over it, but suing your employer is usually a career-ending move. I may be Moderate, but I’m not crazy.
I did not see the “tampon” thing, so I can’t comment.
You gave ONE example of left bad behavior. I could throw 10 counter examples.
I’ll just use one.
Linda got her nic trolled GSheridan. Probably you missed that. The person who did it said some pretty vile things.
This was ONE of the incidents that “broke the back” so to speak. I’ve had the pleasure to meet Linda. She is as mild and kind in person as her posts. Hey I EXPECT to get trolled and stuff. I’m a brawler. But trolling someone like Linda is just wrong.
Trolling is absolutely wrong. I’m sure all agree.I just took exception to your statement that “The protesters would not descend to the bad behaviors.”
JR~ back to our original conversation, should our behavior/actions be determined by the lowest common denominator?
Anybody see the Hillary 1984 ad?
Awesome! :D
J R,
If you don’t want your nic stolen use Typekey, it’s free.
Trolling can be done by anyone, there are different definitions of trolling, not sure what you mean exactly by trolling here on WE Blog.
Stealing of a nic and trolling aren’t the same or even done by the same method.
The way I understand trolling, is posting for attention usually to make a topic go off-topic.
JR – I didn’t see that. Linda’s a nice person. I’m like you – I expect to get trolled, it’s all a part of the frolic, but there are those who just want to discuss and not roll in the mud with us.
I didn’t know a comment of mine a year or so ago had hurt Linda as much as it had. She told me – and I’m glad she did. I tried to keep that in mind when I responded to her after that.
I wouldn’t mind if she came back.
re: Hillary 1984Wow Joe! Obama is throwing the gauntlet down to Hillary. hehe!
JR–
While I do thank you for sticking up for me a couple weeks ago, I must disagree with your statement at 4:12 of “The protesters would not descend to the bad behaviors.”
Do you remember it being so bad that WSCLark actually apologized for his inexcusable behavior? I have been called communist by Capn (aka, left hook, Galahad, etc) been called a liar by others.
That seems like pretty “bad behavior” just because someone has a different opinion on an issue, wouldn’t you agree?
Are you limiting your definition of ‘bad behavior’ to nic stealing? I would lump it all together and call it what is it, childish personal attacks without justification.
Oh come on raptor! WEblog has always been rough and tumble. I don’t want to turn it into a damned ladies tea!
Aside from WS’s mistake on your comment that I stood up for you on, the worst I remember anyone “attacking” you was when farmgrrl specualated that you were a fat balding guy with a bad comb over.
What someone called you a liar? I don’t remember that. But if you proved you were not lying I would be the first to tell the accuser to knock it off.
That’s NOTHING compared to some of the stuff that has been said about me. One poster here once posted that I had admitted in previous posts to being a drug addict! Another repeatedly called me a miserable little coward.
Interestingly enough these were fundamentalist Christians! But I digress.
Name calling isn’t a bit like stealing someones nic or using several nics in order to get away with posting the most over the top or below the belt posts. Now yeah if someone starts calling another pedophile or kitten burner they should probably be called on it. But this IS an opinion forum. Some opinions require strong words.
JR~
” The protesters would not descend to the bad behaviors. Posted by: J R | March 19, 2007 at 04:12 PM ”
“Oh come on raptor! WEblog has always been rough and tumble. I don’t want to turn it into a damned ladies tea!Posted by: J R | March 19, 2007 at 07:10 PM ”
JR~~~ Wowsa ………….. I’m really confused.
Just scanned the “other” side. They’re busy breaking their arms patting themselves on the back. And congratulating themselves on their “tolerance.” It’s mildly amusing, and proof once again that no-one is a bigger fool than those who fool themselves.
BTW – there are those still on this board who are equally “guilty” of bad behavior, and are busily congratulating themselves on their good behavior. At some point, our ‘boycotters’ will be back. We’ll see if the new-found manners last. Unfortunately, I doubt it; some here are just as self-delusional as the ‘boycotters.”
JR -
glad you stayed. You know where I stand, of course. I won’t participate in the crap, and I’m responsible for no one’s behavior but my own.
(And yes, they’re throwing you under the bus. You knew that, of course. In any case, you’re always welcome here, of course. As are our lurkers. Just behave yourselves – all of us.}
As far as who’s responsible for the previous bad behavior, it’s simple. Themselves, no other. Those who are the bad posters, on either side, no matter who started it. Period.
Just wondering of those who are here and if anyone knows of those that left are Native Kansans?
I think WSClark said he wasn’t, Ben Huie is from Georgian/Alabama?/I think ksfarmgrrl is a Texan?
/CapnAmerica ?/ Steven Davis ?/Vaughn Tolle?/
I’m a native Kansan, born and raised.
How about the rest of you?
Repub~~~~~ Please see GMC’s previous post.
Offenders are offenders. It doesn’t matter what side of the aisle they originate.Nobody like bullies, regardless of the message.
State of birth??? What could be more irrelevent?? Unless, of course, we’re smackin’ about the NCAA Tourny!!!
Naw, just curious…
I can tell I think who is native to the state and who isn’t most of the time, but it is more difficult looking through a computer screen. :)
why is native important?
Perspective on politics in Kansas?
A clue to the way Kansans think in general?
Knowing the history behind Kansas?
It would be like me going to New York and trying to get into a NY Blog. Except for a rural based blog, what would I have in common with the more Liberal people of NYC let’s say.
i noticed the fisters not making writin on there new blog in 4 days. mebbe there running out of there inner wind.
I’m a native Kansan. ….and I’m pretty sure the Cut N’ Runners miss me the most. They can’t compete with my mind powers.
Repub….. Oh, please, where your mothers water broke has little to do with ‘perspectives’ and ‘clues’.
And, as a native (well, post-1700’s), I don’t see that Kansas has a lock on all that is good and right.
I watched that The Day After Tomorrow movie the other day on TV. What a hoot! I’m not sure if that movie’s scheme is crazier or Algore’s.
That was pretty crude Sanford.
And sure it makes a difference where you were raised.
Beginning to think Sanford is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. :)
“Beginning to think Sanford is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. :)
Posted by: Republican | March 19, 2007 at 11:46 PM ”
You couldn’t be more wrong with that statement. Love me or hate me, I am me.Don’t become paranoid, just ’cause someone disagrees. It’s McCarthy-esque and very unbecoming of ones who stand for freedom.
And, the next thing …………..I don’t know what I said that was ‘crude’
And ………… yes, where you are raised does have an influence, but, it should never be a defining and/or limiting factor.
Good is good, right is right, bad is bad, it has nothing to do with geography.
So, what does “post 1700’s” mean as applied to being a native.
Are you a native of Kansas? You never answered.
And where exactly did I imply that being a native of Kansas was “all good and right?”
Repub~ “post 1700’s” ….. Prior to that ‘Native’ meant something very different than your frame of reference. It’s all relative, man.
I don’t understand why it is important where I, or anyone else, was born. We touched on this an hour or two ago. Who cares?
“”Beginning to think Sanford is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. :)
Posted by: Republican | March 19, 2007 at 11:46 PM ”
You couldn’t be more wrong with that statement. Love me or hate me, I am me.Don’t become paranoid, just ’cause someone disagrees. It’s McCarthy-esque and very unbecoming of ones who stand for freedom.
Posted by: Sanford | March 20, 2007 at 12:03 AM ”
And, another thing …… don’t duck your accusation and my response.You can’t just flinging ‘S’ out there like that, and ….. you know.Words mean things. Choose them wisely.
Yes, words mean things Sanford and you should choose them wisely. :)
(whittles on McCarthy-esque from his Blog macro parser)
-chortles-
Repub ~ I don’t understand.
Exactly
Thanks for the smug, and oh so edifying response. It really furthers our conversation.What in the Hell is a blog macro parser?
It parses Blog feeds, so I don’t have to read every word, categorizes, subdivides by types of phrases, etc.
Not a smug..
The question was very simple.
Born in Kansas…Y N ( ) null answer
This was the question:I’m a native Kansan, born and raised.
How about the rest of you?
You answer:
Repub….. Oh, please, where your mothers water broke has little to do with ‘perspectives’ and ‘clues’.
And, as a native (well, post-1700’s), I don’t see that Kansas has a lock on all that is good and right.
And how was much question so “loaded” to make you reply in such a manner.
It was a ‘Y” “N” or no response.
Curious why you took such a circuitous route to answer such a simple question.
much=such a
Repub ~ I don’t understand why that question is so important to you.Nothing “circuitous” about it. It’s like a litmus test for you, and I don’t understand that.
So, you can’t answer the question with a Yes or No or even a null answer, just ignore the question like most people will?
You’d had to give me a lecture on the merits of my very simple question?
I don’t understand your motives.
I’m not ‘lecturing’.I have no motive.My question is as simple as yours.My (yours, anyone elses birthplace) Why is this such an issue?I can toss out an answer, but you wouldn’t know if it’s true or not, so what’s the point????I’m a 5′8″ 36-24-36 Blonde born in Sweden. Moved here because I like cowboys and grain trucks.Is that better?
Excellent.First Swede I ever met was a Physician Flight Surgeon. He was very cool.
Liking of grain trucks? I don’t think i want to know the answer to that. :)
Are you a “Little Sweden” Swede, Sanford?
Born in Grand Junction, CO. Mother and father were born and raised in El Dorado.
Moved back to El Dorado when I was two. Seven to Wichita. 15 to Winfield where I graduated HS. 19 into the Navy. 42 back to Wichita.
There.
Hank
Repub: following Hank’s lead:
Born: McPherson, KS; both parents natives of McPherson; moved around quite a bit in central Kansas, moved to Whitewater in 1956; left for Wellington after 7th grade; graduated from Wellington HS; to KU; then, in 1973 to Air Force, after separation from service in 1977 (all service after Basic Training in Indiana) back to KU to finish law school; to Wichita in 1979 to present.
Grand Junction Co.?
YUCK. I ‘ve been there. If there is a more desolate and forsaken place on the face of the Earth, I don’t wanna see it. Burnt over, alkali flats and dead rock. It was 107 degrees in the shade.
JR
I’ve been there as well and it wasnt that bad… We usually stay there on the way out to CA from here…
I can think of worse places to be, places in Nevada, New Mexico and Arizona.
Long time in the Navy Hank. You are much more “salty” than I in ways of the military then.
Ah McPherson Vaughn, right in the heart of Kansas. Fellow Air Force type I see. I was an instrumentation officer (can’t describe it :)), until I got riffed out (1 low oer and promotion to 0-4 was killed.)
Hey Republican,
21 years day for day, do it all over again but I don’t miss it a bit!
J R,
YUCK? I’m afraid that must describe much of your life.
I was two when we left Grand Junction so I feel no great compulsion to defend it.
However, I think that your opinion tells us more about you than Grand Junction!
The Gunnison and the Colorado meet in Grand Junction. Any where that you live in Grand Junction you are within walking distance to some of the best trout fishing in the world.
Grand Junction is a great central location for exploring the western slope of the Rockies. Colorado National Monument, the Grand Mesa National Forest, white water rafting and you come up with “more desolate and forsaken place on the face of the Earth”? Nope, my friend the desolation is in your mind.
Sorry
Hank
In my admittedly limited travels, I prefer the eastern slope of the Rockies. I like green. I was in Grand Junction only a few hours thankfully, and it was early July. Hey I was born in Wichita so I’m not favored in place of birth either! At least there are living things here if not actual life.
LOL – I’m a McPherson gal these days, but I was a Colorado gal growing up and I gotta tell you, there is a better side to Junction than you see from the highway. There are fantastic Indian dwellings nearby and the place is an oasis of agriculture in the midst of a pretty cold environ. I was raised in absolute ARMPIT of Colorado, the NW corner, and, yes….I DID get to see Robert Redford come down from his WY ranch on occasion for groceries, but even that was disappointing as he was pretty short.
My grandparents were from Russell, KS, good old Bohemian, German, Russian folks so I was happy to make my home in Mac a couple of decades ago.
McPherson is an anomaly – it really didn’t feel the Great Depression like other communities did. It’s kind of yuppie-ville here, according to some, but it’s one of the best places on Earth to raise a family.
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