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The Liberal MSM really doesn’t want you to read this – in fact very few outlets have picked up the story, even in a condensed form. I guess that’s their right – but it speaks volumes about their agenda.
General Tommy Franks, the man who led the successful attack on the Taliban, stated that the troop surge is a good idea “because that’s what the leaders on the ground are saying.”
In his interview with NewMax, he went on to comment,
# “President Bush was never in a rush to invade Iraq.
# Bush was always a good leader – calm, studious and deliberative – and was never steam-rolled by his top advisors, but was always his own man.
# Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is getting a bum rap.
# No administration would have allowed Iraq to continue with business-as-usual after 9/11.
# There was plenty of planning and preparation for post-invasion operations in Iraq.
# There is a definable limit to what the U.S. will tolerate as to Iran and Syria’s interference in Iraq.
# The Walter Reed hospital debacle resulted from “failed leadership.”
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/3/11/204717.shtml?s=lh
Some here will decry the interview of the retired General because it comes from NewsMax.
However, those are STILL the words of the General – and unless someone can prove otherwise – they will stand.
If Franks is correct, and the surge is what our forces on the ground in Iraq WANT, then who are the Democrats to try and undermine that? Sitting back home in their cushy Congress chairs, or primping and fussing so she looks good with her little gavel, the Dem leaders are NOT supporting our men and women in the field when they work against what is in their best interest, and the best interest of our country.
A thick fog is blanketing midtown Wichita on this early Tuesday morning, March 13, 2007. But not thick enough to disguise the sound of a trash truck compressing a load somewhere in the neighborhood. Thanks to the new daylight savings schedule, the sun won’t rise for another hour or two, thus “saving energy.”
Wonder if this fog will extend to the bloggers on the WE Blog as the day continues?
It didn’t seem to cramp your fingers much!!
Fog clears….and it’s pretty foggy to the North of Wichita, too.
The trick is to NOT overdrive your headlights. lol
I put in some of those new Halogen headlights, the ones with a blue tint to them last night, and I noticed a huge difference between driving yesterday and this morning…
The more blue light that they produce doesn’t seem to reflect on the fog as much as the older lights, and even if it does, it’s not as distracting. I noticed, I could see the road much clearer and signs seemed more reflective…
Just a thought…
G do you like to read? LoL I had not cracked a book in ten years but I am now on my fifth book in five months. The latest is “State of Denial” by Bob Woodard. Funny you would mention some of the things that Gen. Franks said.
From the book, I learned that when asked by President Bush what was the plan for Afghanistan Rumsfield was shimmied. He did not have one, but CIA Director George Tenet had one. Through aiding the Northern alliance and in surging Para-military agents that worked for the CIA along with air support from the U.S. Air-force. They could route the Taliban and deny Bin Laden a safe haven. It worked as planned and Rumsfield was furious and embarrassed. It was two months after the action started in Afghanistan that to make Rumsfield feel better that president Bush told him he could be in charge of the invasion of Iraq.Which when asked what the plan was for Afghanistan, Rumsfield side stepped and suggested that we should go after Saddam instead.
Now as to the surge, it was needed several years ago, I once said “If we are at war then release the Dogs of war!”. But now it will be iffy, sure we can secure Baghdad but to what point? A small island in a sea full of Great White Sharks. I was just reading an article that the PM of Iraq went to confer with tribal leaders of the Anbar province. They have been having pitch battles with Al-Qaeda for control of the largely Sunni area.This is a good sign, perhaps they have found another commonly perceived enemy instead of the U.S. military serving in the area.
Also from the article and about the surge: Major General William Caldwell, chief U.S. military spokesman, said on Monday commanders anticipate the security crackdown in Baghdad could drive some insurgents out into areas such as Anbar and northeastern Diyala province.LoL which the evil liberal JR had predicted, is he perceptive or just smart?
GS only reads garbage from the various branches of the Ministry Of Truth that extol the virtues of BushCo. She makes sure no contrary viewpoints come through.
LOL – I actually think I remember you making the “dogs of war” post. I’ve always admired your perception of our military strength needs, and I agree, wholeheartedly – well, at least with that SPECIFIC take on things.
I MUST disagree with you assessment of JR, however, if he called something correctly, I would attribute it to sheer luck.
And driving the insurgents out, is indeed, a factor, but whether or not they will set up shop in smaller areas has yet to be determined. I would hazard a guess that it will occur on a small basis, but they don’t have the blanket protection Baghdad provides and may fall quicker to our forces.
HardTruth says I only read ‘garbage,’ however he is at a loss to explain away General Frank’s words.
Typical.
I make no claims to military genius or prescience. I just am acquainted fairly well with history.
You can’t kill an insurgency anyway. It gets even trickier when the insurgents aint afraid to die.
What I hate more than anything is hypocrisy. I see many on the right on this blog spouting “as long as it takes! As much as it costs! As many sacrificed as are needed!”
That’s fine. At least it is honest. I just wish they would demand the same honesty of their leader(s).
WRong, JR – insurgencies CAN be put down.
More news Libs don’t want to see.
“Police found only nine bullet-riddled bodies in Baghdad on Monday — apparent victims of Sunni-Shiite reprisal killings. Before the security crackdown, the daily count was running above 50.”
Even more news the head-in-the-sand libs won’t like!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13gore.html?ex=1331438400&en=2df9d6e7a5aa6ed6&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
Seems “An Inconvenient Truth” is such over the top BS that even the liberal NYT has found it to rediculous to ignore!
Hank
Ok GSheridan
NAME ONE
And LOOK it’s Hank.
You bailed on the thread yesterday Price.
Let’s better understand your stance against environmental stewardship. You seem quite shrill against it. WHY is that?
Shrill? Bemused might be a better description.
You and the rest of the libs are the ones that seem shrill.
Hank
Rolling Stone expose into Koch Industries in Texas. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13751944/the_dark_side_of_texas_pete_maiden_reports_on_corpus_christis_koch_industries/1
By the way, I hate those bright lights and think they should be outlawed.
And I love daylight savings time.
Bailed?
CaptAmerica called me plump. It hurt my feelings so I went to bed.
Thanks for missing me though, nice to know you care!
Hank
I don’t NORMALLY click a link from Hank, let alone recommend it.
In this case, I’ll make an exception!
Please DO read Hank’s link.
Read ALL of it. Hank did not seem to make it all the way through that article.
How long would you fight for your freedoms?
Oh wait, I’m talking to a republicon. You just hand them over happily.
Not especially the last sentence.
“Michael Oppenheimer, a professor of geosciences and international affairs at Princeton who advised Mr. Gore on the book and movie, said that reasonable scientists disagreed on the malaria issue and other points that the critics had raised. In general, he said, Mr. Gore had distinguished himself for integrity.
“On balance, he did quite well — a credible and entertaining job on a difficult subject,” Dr. Oppenheimer said. “For that, he deserves a lot of credit. If you rake him over the coals, you’re going to find people who disagree. But in terms of the big picture, he got it right.””
GSheridan is no doubt searching frantically to find me an instance of an armed and determined insurgency being “put down”.
That’ll keep HER busy.
It aint never happened.
Hey Hank, bring me another link that helps the cause! We may find a use for you yet!
I don’t know JR, the NYT article has some pretty good discussion near the end about natural causes and natural cycles that are being advanced by scientists but ignored by alarmists such as Mr. Gore.
From the article:
“Hardly a week goes by,” Dr. Peiser said, “without a new research paper that questions part or even some basics of climate change theory,” including some reports that offer alternatives to human activity for global warming.
Geologists have documented age upon age of climate swings, and some charge Mr. Gore with ignoring such rhythms.
“Nowhere does Mr. Gore tell his audience that all of the phenomena that he describes fall within the natural range of environmental change on our planet,” Robert M. Carter, a marine geologist at James Cook University in Australia, said in a September blog. “Nor does he present any evidence that climate during the 20th century departed discernibly from its historical pattern of constant change.”
Gore’s Inconvenient Hypocrisy is coming apart like a cheap suitcase and J R has the ability to completely ignore the signifigance of the NYT article.
Amazing.
In fact, there has been quite a few articles lately in the MSM by respected scientists that are basically poo pooing Big Al and his goofy movie.
Hank
“Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore andguts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.”
And I started jumpin up and down yelling, “KILL, KILL,” and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and downyelling, “KILL, KILL.”
And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, “You’re our boy.”
Didn’t feel too good about it.”
Go bring me another link that says Gore essentially got it right Hank.
While you’re at it? Expalin your zeal on this subject. YOU know? Like I asked you to before?
hee hee hee hee hee hee
So newsmax, IAN’S favorite source, is now credible here? heheheheheheeh
Ok, so that must make DU GOLDEN.
In that case… here is a little piece about how one of the biggest builders of proposed coal fired electric generation plants has MANIPULATED power markets.
Maybe that is why they agreed to be sold? hehehehehe. Boy, if you can get regulatory heat in TEXAS, you KNOW you have ethics problems.
Wonder how much other corruption will be found in king coal and related industries? It isnt enough that conservatives gutted the steel industry, they want to gut the power industry too?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×399978
Be sure to read the comments. They are priceless…
What I found interesting in that Anti GW movie is the malaria issue. A famous “bug” research was on the IPCC panel and they deleted his expert words on the matter. He quit over the dispute and later had to threaten to sue the IPCC before they would remove his name.
The dispute was about mosquitoes migrating northward with malaria. The bug scientist showed them historical proof that mosquitoes thrive in cold climates and in one instance in the old Russia killed ten of thirteen million people with the causative agent being malaria.
I’ve also been to Alaska and let me tell you there are mosquitoes there as big as bumblebees. Yikes!
I know it’s the wrong Genus of mosquito, the Anopheles I think carries Malaria, but the contention by the IPCC to keep an authors name on a report he disagreed with is just awful.
There was also that scientist with the Japanese name, as a World renown expert of Arctic ice and its flows. He mentioned that all the excitement of melting bergs and ice flows is nothing more than what happens on a seasonal basis, like forever.
I still think there is a climate change, but the IPCC folks have gone overboard on the causality with a rush to judgment to secure funds and a political stronghold.
Bullying other scientists is not the proper way scientist should discuss their differences.
J R,
My delusional friend, the article in the NYT is basically saying that Big Al is an exagerating nut job.
Here’s a hint J R, the title of the article, the headline, the lead into the article that sets the tone, what the article is about, something that a shrill Gore loving idiot would have to completely ignore if he thought the article was saying “Gore essentially got it right”:
“From a Rapt Audience, a Call to Cool the Hype”
Are you dense? Do you wake up every morning and decide to be stupid or does it come naturally?
Just wondering.
Hank
Hey farmgirl,
Have you been aware of the articles on the water shortages in the Hutchenson paper?
The last couple of Sundays they have had front page articles (above the fold). Plus they have had quite a bit in the dailys too.
Worth looking into if you haven’t already.
Hank
Uh, the HUTCH news? The home of john the lesser montgomery? Pardon me if I am a bit skeptical.
Sarah Kessinger has done some good work on the subject in the past. But that was before john the lesser went to hutch. The home of jan pauls.
’nuff said!
Hank
I am not delusional anymore than I am your friend.
I have not used words like “dense” and “stupid”.
You are very emotional about this issue Hank. Why?
Hey THANKS for the link though, really!
Just as you did not have the attention span to give “An Inconvenient Truth” a reasoned viewing, SO have you failed to thouroughly read your own link.
With a few minor critiques on a few minor sub points, it is agreed in the scientific community that Gore essentially got it right.
Good on you Hank! You are our Earth angel for today.
Failed insurgencieslist of failed insurgencies is longer: Malayan Communists, Greek Communists, Filipino Huks, Nicaraguan Contras, Communists in El Salvador, Che Guevara in Bolivia, the Boers in South Africa (twice), Savimbi in Angola, and Sindero Luminoso in Peru.
I would also add the Irish Republican Army to that list. There are many examples in the history of man where insurrections were put down in hugely cruel manner, but won’t list them here.
I have my answer, it appears to be a natural trait.
Well farmgrrl,
I didn’t rush out and buy a subscription, but it is worth the read.
Hank
You carrying the water for GSheridan now JM?
I am not even going to waste my time with those examples of yours. They do not compare to Iraq in any meaningful way.
A more meaningful comparison would be the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. But even it did not have the multiple dynamics or Iraq.
Nope JR, you made a statement you cannot backup about insurgencies never have been defeated. You were just proved wrong.
I found it hank. I see they are taking on the ark river basin, while the Salina Journal takes on the Smoky.
And.. I find it really interesting that the Hays Daily runs NONE of these articles from the their sister Harris News publications. Could that be because hays and the kansas democrats dont want anyone looking too closely at their dirty dealings along the Smoky?
Here is a prediction. With all the talk of the Middle Ark Basin, look for john “i heart sebelius” to call for the state to purchase the Circle K ranch to bail out montgomery’s buddies in hays and russell for their own BAD decions.
This is the ranch sebelius and her hays cronies and the russell ethanol pigs want the state to buy at ONE MILLION dollars over the land’s appraised value.
Yep. bushco has NOTHING on the sebelius adminstration for cronyism and corruption.
hee hee heeheeeeeeee he!
Thanks for the tip hankie. Here is a link to the series. If folks in wichita dont care about the Smoky, maybe they will care about the Ark!
http://www.hutchnews.com/arkriver.shtml
JR~ Every nation currently on the map is the result of an insurgency that was put down.
In other words, every soveriegn nation in existence had to overcome an enemy that didn’t want it there.We are the result of a failed insurgency.
Not being too terribly literate on aquifers, was curious what the average level of ground water in Kansas from let’s say the Aquatard of the Ogalla (spelling) Aquifer.
How much water is left in the porous rock or can that be determined?
What is the percent of regain of water from annual rainfall over a period of time?
What is the usage rate of the Aquifer?
So… how is it working for the US putting down that iraqi insurgency?
You have gotten everything you wanted, from congress, from the white house, and from the judiciary to prosecute this war.
And yet? You STILL cant put down that insurgency?
Why?
We see how very well you are doing!
I wonder who the party of personal responsibility will blame for their COMPLETE ineptitude in prosecuting this war. YOU are letting the insurgents win.
Look for the “stabbed in the back meme” for their weak excuse.
If the insurgency in iraq AND in afghanistan CAN be put down, why is the military not doing it?
Well khan, you are such a legend in your own mind, you cant do that research, brilliant boy?
Heheheheheheheh. Nope. He only heckles.
you are just like gs. Filled with sound and fury signifying nothing.
I’ll be anxious to read the results of your research, since NO topic is complete without the peanut gallery stylings of the khanster.
Insurgencies are harder to put down than regular armies because they consist of local population or they blend into the local population.
The weak point of insurgencies is that they have no staying power and eventually are worn down until they dissolve unless they turn into a form conventional government form.
An example of insurgencies turning into conventional government is the Hezbollah. They are very dangerous and have a secure foothold in Lebanon.
The water research? Sure I can do it and probably do it very well. But it’s not my field and I will never be an expert in hydrology as I have no aspirations to do wo.
They were also elected by their people.
Some democracies are more equal than others.
So you are saying you just need more time to defeat the insurgencies?
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All the kings horses and all the kings men, couldnt make this little insurgency fail? Not with all the resources of the US at it’s disposal?
Oh, but dead eye dick said the insurgency was in it’s last throes, um, what, TWO years ago?
Yeah. You just need more time. hehehehehehehehehehehehehehheheeheh
I mean, since insurgencies are CLEARLY superior to the US military right now….
Then why are you asking someone else to do your research for you?
Just lazy? Hehehehh Party of personal responsibility….
Yes ksfarmgrrl, you need more time to defeat insurgencies unless one takes a scorched earth policy. Or if the will of the people is greater than the insurgency.
Impatience is the enduring virtue of the Democratic Party. They want to see results yesterday without having to sacrifice or chip a nail.
hehehehehehehhe
“The weak point of insurgencies is that they have no staying power and eventually are worn down until they dissolve unless they turn into a form conventional government form.”
Would that be the same way we “wore down” the taliban only to see a “resurgence of the insurgents”?
We see how well your strategy of “wear them down” worked in Afghanistan. The minute you turned your back to them and faced the conquest of the oil fields…
…they came back!!! Stronger than ever!!
Yes, please keep wearing down the insurgencies LIKE Hezbollah, like the taliban, like in iraq. We see how well you are doing…
Dead enders. Thirty percenters. How many more americans will die in this futile battle for oil before YOU run out of patience?
Stay the course indeed!
ksfarmgrll,
Since you are more familiar with the water situation, was just giving you a chance to explain some of the scientific background.
If you don’t want to do that, its fine, I can read other sources. And of course, I doubt have to report any of my findings back here. I can keep it to myself and be a learned isolationist.
Or I can become a liberal and just politicize it without any basis in fact.
However, I do know there is a problem with water supply and usage. My apologies for being concerned about the issue.
…and notice the “will of the people” and the “democrats have no patience”?
Just variations on the “stabbed in the back meme”.
BTW, how did TWENTY years of patience work out for the U.S. military in vietnam?
They just needed a little more time and more american political will?
heheheheheheheheheheheheh
Same song, second verse.
Oh, and I see from past water threads how much “substance” you contributed to discussions about water.
Zip, nada, zilch. Just like the substance you contribute to every thread. Typical troller.
Well be monitoring your future concern with substance on the water threads as well.
…hehehehehheheheheheheheh
and I see how well khan and his buddies respect science. Look at any evolution or global warming thread.
We already know khan. You dont need no stinkin’ science.
hehehehehehheheheeh isnt it about time for the blog enforcer to show up? The pups need protection….
I would consider you a troll ksfarmgrll. I have a typekey account. I can go to thousands of blogs all over the World because I’m registered with Typekey.
Can you say the same or would you be considered a troll? :)
So now people who dont use typekey are trolls? heheheheheheheheheheheh
You have no idea about me dear, or where I go on the internet.
KHAN calling someone else a troll?
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Typical repuke strategy. Whatever you do, blame it on “someone else did it too!”
Thing is khan, when I go to other blogs, I always use this nic. I always use this nic here.
And you?
Or are you one of the afore named repuke shills who has been shamed and humiliated by his previous troll posts, so he has to switch nics?
Yeah. Typekey insures that no one steals YOUR nic. It does not prevent you from stealing someone else’s.
As long as the WE blog protects trollers by not outing them, the posts here will decline. WE can spin that decline all they want, but it is happening and will continue.
Nice job. You all have proven you can DESTROY sites. Like LBJ said, ANY jackass can kick down a barn. But it takes a real special one to build a barn.
You, khan, and just a typical repuke jackass. Nothing special at all.
“Nice job. You all have proven you can DESTROY sites. Like LBJ said, ANY jackass can kick down a barn. But it takes a real special one to build a barn.”Posted by: ksfarmgrrl | March 13, 2007 at 11:27 AM
List these “sites” that have been destroyed.
Or was it other posters called your bluff and you got owned?
“The weak point of insurgencies is that they have no staying power and eventually are worn down until they dissolve unless they turn into a form conventional government form.”
The George Washington-led insurgency was not worn down. It turned into a form of government AFTER it defeated the British.
Then, like Hezbollah, they transformed into government and secured a foothold.
Oh yeah con, that’s it.
I’M not the one who has to switch nics to maintain credibility.
Called my bluff? hehehehehehehehehehehheheheheeheheh
What you DONT know could fill a dump truck. But yeah, please continue to stink up every site you all go to.
You all have added SO MUCH to the discussions here…..
I have switched nicks and who am I? And why does it matter on a Blog?
If I want to call myself KSfarmboy tomorrow, what difference would it make?
I have nothing to add to this conversation except to say I finally found a Thread from (KFG) that didn’t have hehehehehehehehehehehehe in it. AMAZING…
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If you repukes werent so laughable, I wouldnt always be laughing. AT you, not with you!
But please, the comedy channel isnt half full yet, so keep posting!
KFG, No offence it is just annoying seeing it on every one of your threads, and it wouldn’t be bad if you just did one hehe. thanks
BG, being annoying is exactly why she does it. She thinks it is a power phrase that invokes some sort of cast spell on its reader.
It’s occasionally good to see it and she seems to be enjoying herself. To use it as a emphasizer in a post is counterproductive and yes annoying.
Don’t get me wrong…I’m not saying it to be mean. just pointing it out.
Hank Price,
“Seems “An Inconvenient Truth” is such over the top BS that even the liberal NYT has found it to rediculous to ignore!”
The NYT is DYSFUNCTIONAL, not liberal.
William Broad’s NYT column is inaccurate and misleading.
For example, he ignores the record tropical storms other areas had in 2006.He misstates the NAS report on the ‘hockey stick’.He quotes Peiser and other skeptics whose claims have been proven FALSE.
Some details at,’Broadly Misrepresenting’http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/03/broadly_misrepresenting.php
Also see RealClimate’s ‘Broad Irony’, link at bottom of page.
Cosmos,
Not to sound like a stupid twit, but what is the “hockey stick?”
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Brilliant.
Seems the best counter arguement Hank is calling names and declaring victory
AFTER he shoots himself in the foot!
Oh JM? Just to waste a few lines on you? The list you gave were INSURRECTIONS. That is, they were rebellions against an established government. That is exactly upside down with the situation in Iraq where the insurgents are established and the government, such as IT is, is the upstart.
I make no quarrel that you can achieve “a free, stable Iraq that can defend itself and be an ally on terror”. What I question is the administration honesty or even grasp of the time scale needed to make that happen.
Dear cosmos,
Is there anything ‘liberal’ in your world?
If yo get any further to the left you risk falling off the edge of the earth.
Hank
Some info on Richard Lindzen, Bjørn Lomborg, Roy Spencer, and Benny J. Peiser
‘NY Times article on Gore leaves out inconvenient truths’http://mediamatters.org/items/200703130003
Dear Hank,
You believe my pointing out the errors in the NYT column makes me a far left “liberal”?
And WHY would a “liberal” NYT’s make false attacks on Al Gore, a Dem?
Republikhan,
The “hockey stick” is the graph of estimated temperatures over the past 1000 years.
Ah…Thanks Cosmos, I was curious what that could be. Hockey Stick graph…gotcha.
JR – you’re splitting hairs. The term ‘insurgent’ is one who participates in an ‘insurgency’ or an ‘insurrection.’ The latter two terms are interchangeable from the Latin root, “insurrctus.”
Another term used to describe this type of organized attack for control, is “Coup,” short for Coup d’État, although those don’t necessarily have to include violence.
Anyway, Khan is correct, many cases of insurgents trying to overthrow a controlling party have been put down. In fact, it happens all the time. Not all are identical to the situation in Iraq – but they still qualify under the terms.
cosmos,
Evidently your reading comprehension ranks right up with J Rs.
If you don’t think the NYT is liberal you are beyound saving. Of course it’s dysfunctional, most liberal rags are.
Hank
cosmos,
Be very careful pointing out errors in the NYT article, J R thinks it supports his hero Algore.
If it’s really an article supporting Gore, why does the left-wing media matters have to do a hit piece on it?
Just wondering,
Earth angel
You can keep calling names and hurling little insults Hank.
OR you could make your stance more understood.
Do you deny that warming is occurring at all?
And again, why the anti-environment zeal?
CLEARLY this issue is dear to you.
Why?
Anti-environmet zeal? Curious, where do you get that?
How does having a lying pantload like Al Gore making political points off GW help your cause?
Just because I think Al Gore is a liar, how does that make me against the environment?
Of course the issue is dear to me! Why do you think that just because I want to approach the issue with common sense instead of hysterical blather that means I don’t care?
Just wondering.
PS, why does Media matters have to come to Algore’s defense if the article is what you think it is?
Hank
“political points”
I addressed that yesterday.
Al Gore is not a politician at this time.
So political points are relatively useless to him for anything other than his cause, which is noble.
You disagree with Al Gore. That does not make Al Gore a liar. That makes you against what is commonly accepted as sound science. And this is not the only instance of such a stand for you. No one is calling you a liar. Please reciprocate the courtesy.
As with many things, we read meaning into posts. This is the second day you have gone out of your way to attack Al Gore. The attacks are mostly ad hominem. SO my take is since Al Gore is an environmentalist, you must not be. Otherwise why the assault?
“…the issue is dear to me!”
Can you explain? I have been asking.
“…I want to approach the issue with common sense…”
OK Good. I am all “ears”. I have no idea where you stand if you do not tell me! Again, I have asked.
And “hysterical blather”?
YOU are the one being emotional.
I don’t wish to post un informed. SO inform!
Dear Hank,
YOU seem to have reading comprehension problems.YOU should read the NYT column you posted more carefully.
It both supports Gore’s work, as J R pointed out, and makes false attacks on him, as I pointed out.
Too cold at the North Pole for a “cliimate change” expedition?
How strange!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070312/ap_on_sc/polar_trek_1
… another right wingut that cannot tell the differecne between weather and climate.
…another “climate change” true believer and follower of the left’s new religion.
Someone please help me on this matter.. I do not know much about it.. seriously
what is the main evidence that Climate change is caused by humans??
…. remember SOB, I am a godless leftist, I don’t believe in religion.
I yet to see an online GW supporter use science to support their claims.
What they do is use Science by Hyperlink, which is not explaining or defending the GW theory.
I’ve read the Blogs at realclimate.org and they seem to go off subject a lot. It is hard to follow as they use a lot of acronyms.
99.9 percent of the online supporters of GW are non-scientists or without credentials in a particular science that would make them credible in discussing GS.
And I doubt if any scientist wants to volunteer their free time to put their version of GW online to a bunch of bloggers.
What it boils down to is studying the science yourself and drawing your own conclusions.
Anyone arguing the conclusions of a layperson or a non specialist scientist is going to have to work very, very hard and not rely on hyperlinks as a solution in explaining their story.
With that said, again…climate change is happening. It is my belief that man-made Climate change is possible, but it has yet to be proved simply because there are too many that disagree on what is true and what is not.
Resorting to name-calling or discrediting is not proof.
SOB – me, me….call on me……..waving hand wildly…..
The main evidence (if you could call it that) is a computer model of the recorded temperatures for the last one hundred and fifty years, that takes that info then uses it to ‘guess’ what the temperatures were in the previous six millennial, and from that guess it goes on to compare the warming trend of the last few decades against the model and finds the earth to be warming.
What is MORE interesting (to me, anyway) is that a meteorological scientist recently announced that GW was likely caused by solar activity since the planet Mars is warming at the same time – and approximately same ratio that Earth is.
But, I’m thinking those goddamn Martians are probably flying around in Jetson-type space crafts, using fossil fuels to power them and they MUST have the same Martian-induced greenhouse effect that Earth is experiencing.
Yeh, that must be it……
dow off 231 points trading curbs in
BG,
You might want to look at these graphics,http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics.htm2-1 Indicators of the human influence on the atmosphere2-2 Anthropogenic radiative forcing of the climate system for 2000 relative to 1750
Radiative forcing is in watts per meter squared — think of small lightbulbs every square meter. Doesn’t sound impressive, until you consider how large the Earth is.
And AIP’s site is informative, such as,http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
disclaimer:
GSheridan was born the daughter of the President of a strip mine. Her husband has worked in the past building coal fire power plants. Many of her friends work in the fossil fuels industry.
GSheridan herself has loudly advocated for construction of more coal fire power plants. However, when asked to demonstrate an actual need for the power generated, she has no comment.
Damn Martians and their evil martian-oil burning ships.
UFO abductees, global warming followers and others in the tin-foil hat club. All the same bunch of nuts.
“However, when asked to demonstrate an actual need for the power generated, she has no comment.”
If there was no need for the power, did they all go broke? That doesn’t make any sense.
Thank God for coal.
disclaimer:
J R, a confrontational Liberal Activist who claims a Congressional Aid told him to move out of state if he didn’t like the policies.
But then feigns memory loss on the matter when confronted by the Congressional Aid.
Cosmos, our climate is affected by cosmic radiation. Any relation, Cosmos? Cosmic: of the cosmos. I blame you.
I think I’m on to something….I’m making a slideshow. Stay tuned.
His story is perfectly consistent.
What isn’t consistent is when you said you were too young to serve in Vietnam, but that you were lucky to have locked in a low mortgage before the horrible Mr. Carter came to office.
This of course calls into question of whether you were ever in the military at all.
But as Aesop said about the boy who cried “wolf” once too often, “a liar is never believed, even when he tells the truth.”
JR – quit making things up. I wasn’t ‘born’ the daughter of a strip mine President. He didn’t take that position until I was older. And he didn’t keep it more than about seven years, so your just being a goof.
Besides that, I provided ample evidence, including the TX blackouts as evidence but you ignored it, just as you ignored my question earlier today asking you what I should do – after you made the very nasty, and inappropriate comment, about me ‘kicking widows out.’
You keep ignoring my posts except to trash me.
When I respond to yours – you just ignore me.
What’s up with that?
Gs-What did you do with all that power nobody wanted? Put it into Mason Jars?
My first house purchase was in 1975 right after high school, my father co-signed. The draft ended earlier that year, don’t recall exactly when. My Frat brothers and I had a nice house to live in, small…but comfy. The interest rate went up huge in 1978 during Carter’s Presidency.
Pickled Power, that’d be practically perfect.
SOB,
“our climate is affected by cosmic radiation.”
When you make your slideshow, don’t forget to point out that there’s been NO trend observed in cosmic rays since 1953.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/02/nigel-calder-in-the-times/“Whether cosmic rays are correlated with climate or not, they have been regularly measured by the neutron monitor at Climax Station (Colorado) and show no long term trend since 1953.
ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/STP/SOLAR_DATA/COSMIC_RAYS/climax.tab
No trend = no explanation for current changes.”
No trend = EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!
GSheridan
I have made nothing up. I have only repeated what you yourself have posted.
I invite you again to explain your enthusiasm for building a coal fire power plant in Kansas to provide demonstrably needed electricity to Kansans.
JM Khan I have never been busted in a lie or distortion in any case where I had proof. I offered the congressmans assistant no proof, He in turn provided none of his own.
BDP fleet,
No… EVERYBODY PANICS!!!!!! in a few years, when AGW becomes undeniable, and they realize the dire consequences.
J R,
That’s correct you made a claim that your Alligator mouth couldn’t back up with your chipmunk butt.
When confronted to provided a name which could have been done in private, you refused.
The proof to your assertion to “move out of state” falls on you, not the Congressman’s Aide.
Of course, you can sidestep the issue as we all expected you would.
Till then, we all will look at any of your comments with a jaundiced eye since you failed to clear up your assertion.
What about the sun? It drives our climate and weather. It’s the engine.
ok, I suppose there’s some link out there to some story that says otherwise. I’ll wait for it.
Once that’s provided it will be clear that you are determined to blame mankind for the scary 1/2 degree higher instead of common sense, like nature.
Dang nature.
Cosmos,
I don’t doubt GW is occuring. However, I disagree on the causality. Your assertion saying that GW occuring in the future is like saying that sometime in the future water will evaporate.
Well duh…
What frat were you in, Khan?
“in a few years, when AGW becomes undeniable, and they realize the dire consequences.”
It’s all dire with you people. Talk about the boy crying wolf. And when nothing happens in a few years, what will you say then? The same thing. I’m still waiting for the global cooling you people predicted.
GSheridan,
“I provided ample evidence, including the TX blackouts as evidence but you ignored it, ”
1) Holcomb’s power would not be sold to TX.2) TXU dropped most of their proposed new coal-fired plants, and are now bragging about how ‘green’ they are.
AFROTC
KKKhan,JR has integrity. You know the thing about doing the right thing whether or not somebody is watching. If JR says that he received that email – I (for one) believe him. I’ve known him for about a year now and have never known him to lie.
You on the other hand have been left wanting way to many times. IMO.
Stupid nature.
What ever happened to that old thinning ozone hole? How are those hyped-up issues coming?
Khan, please tell me that you realize that AFROTC is not a true fraternity… Club, may be a better term for that.
“JR has integrity. You know the thing about doing the right thing whether or not somebody is watching. If JR says that he received that email – I (for one) believe him. I’ve known him for about a year now and have never known him to lie. You on the other hand have been left wanting way to many times. IMO.Posted by: Julie | March 13, 2007 at 03:39 PM
Julie,
According to J R this happened years ago before you knew him. In a court of law, your testimony would mean little as it means little here.
Are you willing to bet your house on the integrity of J R’s statement that the Congressional Aide made that statement?
I didn’t think so.
What are you going to do, Fleet Idiot, when it is determined that man-made global warming is in fact real and it is too late to do anything about it?
Are you just going to act smug and superior as you do now?
Given your lack of intelligence, I would imagine that you will still be blaming it on Democrats.
AFN,
That’s right it’s not a Greek house, but people in the Armed Services that attend ROTC training consider themselves as part of a fraternal order. It’s a very long standing tradition.
BDP fleet,
“I’m still waiting for the global cooling you people predicted.”
That was in a book, and a few non-scientific articles in the 1970’s.
Are you still stuck in the 1970’s? No computer? Using a rotary dial telephone?
Climate change research has progressed,http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm
“Are you still stuck in the 1970’s?”
No, but mom finally bought us cable, after 10 years. I can watch CNN and stuff.
GSheridan, Twenty years ago I was an accountant for a small coal company Called Ranchers Coal located in Welch, Oklahoma. I was just back that way and looked at the reclamation project we did during the time I was there and they were beautiful. This was another industry where reason was overridded by emotion. There is still a lot of good low sulphur coal in those hills but it won’t be dug. We are overlooking many of our resources while developing an ever increasing dependence on foreign energy.
I didn’t know of your tie to this industry. I have long felt that there is a real source of energy we are overlooking. Going with the low sulphur coal in Wyoming which is is very available and with the right scrubbers on the smokestacks no or little polution would occur.
My point is that we have to be smarter in how we use our own energy.
The link below is a very good explanation of the future of coal power and also the mistakes we as a nation are making in not using this resource.
Foreign countries are now using our coal. We had better wake up while we have time to do so.
SOB,
“What about the sun? It drives our climate and weather. It’s the engine.”
What about the greenhouse effect? It makes our Earth about 86 degrees F. WARMER.
And humans ARE increasing the greenhouse effect.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
I wonder if it’s too late for Algore and his slide show to save Mars?
Hank
Khan – I have many, many, many family and friends in the Armed Forces and I’ve never heard that, but I guess it makes sense. I wasn’t trying to be a jerk, just curious as to the name substitution there.
Thanks Julie!!
That means alot. I value YOUR opinion.
JM Khan is a kook. I should go get a few of his spittle laced rants under his original nic…..or any of the other dozen he has used.
Hey JM Khan? How am I to know that is the congressmans aid? It could just as easily be you trolling. In fact? Your tight grip and continued repeating of the issue would tend to support that. No way in hell am I giving you my real name. You’re nuts!
LOL but probably you would challenge to meet me and then wus out like ya did with Capn.
Kook.
“I have many, many, many family and friends…”
How many?
ksgrm,
“and with the right scrubbers on the smokestacks no or little polution would occur.”
But it still puts out CO2, and will get hit with a carbon tax.
Wise utilities are moving away from coal, and instead using efficiency and renewables.
Sure let’s meet J R, it would be a pleasure to meet a face on the blog instead of computer screen.
I never promised to meet CapnAmerica anywhere except here on the WE Blog.
Just give me some notice, I can’t take off at just anytime.
“But it still puts out CO2, and will get hit with a carbon tax.”
I hear Gore has some for sale. Cheap.
AFN,
Not a problem. Lot of people associate Fraternity with Greek organizations. It’s a broad based term that covers a lot of organizations, including social clubs and official ones like Fraternal Order of Police.
I am still waiting to hear these anti-environemtnal types to answer the question as to what they are going to do if GW is real, but it is too late to do anything about it.
Twenty years from – the science is accepted, it is known to be man-made, but now it is irreversible and nothing can be done.
Are still going to be so goddamned smug?
Fleet – In the armed forces? That’s kind of hard to say for sure but somewhere around 10 family members and at least 20 friends and I’m sure that I’ve forgotten someone. Of course, acquaintances (sp?) would be through the roof since I’ve been around the military my whole life…
Careful, Khan. jr is he of the sharp stick. I wouldn’t worry, though. After all, you are Khan!!!!!!!
Hank?
You wanted to tell me more about your concern for the environment and how you wanted to approach the issue.
I said I was all “ears”.
Are you going to share?
hehe, no problem Fleet, I suck at fighting anything, not much of a threat.
AFN,
Don’t worry about it. Anyone who was a member of any greek fraternity would Never have referred to it as a frat… There is a rather graphic statement that goes along with that reasoning, which I will not repeat here, although I can offer it up if someone really wants to hear it, so he was not in a fraternity. They may have considered themselves a fraternal order, but it was not a fraternity… and, like you, (and I even had a close friend in AFROTC – she was at Andrews AFB when the Pentagon was hit – in fact, she was supposed to be at the Pentagon that day, but her trip was cancelled last minute – thank GOD!) and she certainly never called herself part of a sorority :)
Dear Hank,
How do you plan to stop Mar’s wobbles?
And thank you for the link, on page 2 of yours.
‘Global Warming “Very Likely” Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say’http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070202-global-warming.html
Wendy – Thanks. I’ve probably heard it all about frats, it would take a lot to surprise me! I actually joined a sorority during my first year of college (not one of my proudest moments, although some good things did come from it) so I’ve been around some interesting stuff… But I can see how they would consider themselves a fraternity, basically all a fraternity is is a club or group.
gloom & doom. Man, you lefties are so invested in this global warming BS and you want it to happen so dang bad. I’m not anti-environment. I’m just not a crazy sucker buying into all the hype.
Thank God for the greenhouse effect too. It’d be a might chilly without it.
Give it up people. Whatever happens it is natural. Nothing we can do about it. Accept it.
But if we DID do something about it, I’d start with plugging those pesky volcanos with all their nasty CO2.
Stupid volcanos.
Or, we can stop living like a modern people, turn off our factories and powerplants and cars and live as one with nature…just in case.
Oh yeah, pass the bong dude.
Wendy – Glad your friend was alright. Thankfully, no one I knew was anywhere near those sites but of course they were all effected in one way or another.
… and if it turns out that all the GW evidence WAS correct, SOB, but now it is TOO late to do anything.
Still going to be so smug?
Dear cosmos,
That’s what I love about ’science’, There’s something for everyone!
Hank
Tell you what Clarkie, you go live like a caveman and feel good about it. Me, I’ll live normally and not be duped.
I’m not banking on the biggest IF there’s ever been.
This “city fogging” the last couple of mornings has been weird. I’ll include that in my slideshow.
Yeah, JR, JM-Khan is still sticking to the fiction that he’s not JM.
I don’t blame him. If I threw the gauntlet in somebody’s face and then didn’t show (he claims he was “in his car,” which is just as bad), and then I was too much of a pussy to show up, I wouldn’t want anyone to link me to it either.
And check how this “pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps” individualist now claims that his dad bought him a house to live in while he was at college.
If true, it shows that his success is due to daddy’s money. Hey, no wonder he kisses Bush’s arse like his lips are glued to the man’s backside.
If false (and it is really UNLIKELY, isn’t it–I mean how many people do you know that buy a house for college), it would just be JM troll’s lying his way out of a lie.
Well CapnAmerica now yours chance to meet me in person, same deal with J R. Just give me enough advance notice and we can meet up. Maybe you, J R and I can meet up somewhere and anyone else that wants to meet. I don’t drink alcohol but can meet in a place where they serve if you wish.
I’m not afraid to meet anyone here on the blog. Why should I? There are no felons here are there? :)
“As the following example illustrates, the effect we have on global warming through our diet is quite substantial. A regular consumer of animal products apparently contributes as much to greenhouse gas emissions as driving a big SUV. A person abstaining from all animal products, on the other hand, contributes as much as riding a bicycle.”http://extricated.info/?p=16
Just wanted to share this interesting article I cam across while googling something else. I was reminded about last Friday and all the steak, prime rib and corned beef that was going to be consumed.
Do we owe it to the world to become vegetarians? Should I throw out the meat in the freezer or can I consume it but just not buy anymore.
Being serious I would never willing do something to hurt the environment. JR I am researching and plan to watch ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ next week.
Just thought I would throw a little humor out and also point out how important that we do look at all the angles.
By golly, JM-Khan is almost right: while no idiot would think of ROTC as a fraternity, they do have a kind of fraternity system within the organization.
And how’s this for hazing?
A knife through your heart . . .
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,914685,00.html
JM-Khan,
Would you describe yourself as “Sasquatch” looking?
CapnAmerica,
As much as you hate me for whatever reason. What the hell does the death of a nineteen year old have o do with anything? It’s very sad and tragic.
Why don’t you ever look for the good things that people do, instead of trying to drag everyone down?
You appear to be an intelligent person, why do you post such things?
What we do here on the blog to ‘tag’ each other with insults is like a ‘your mama is…’ circle.
Doesn’t mean that real life tragedies need to be invoke just to win “Blog” points.
It’s pointless and cruel.
Quoting political_mom:”How long would you fight for your freedoms?
Oh wait, I’m talking to a republicon. You just hand them over happily.”
Define which freedoms I’m giving up. You see, I could take the extreme liberal view which would be to say limit freedom of speech. An example, if I happen to disagree with: homosexual activity or abortion and say something about it, it is called hate speech.
With Republicans, I’m giving up freedom in other ways, at the hands of the religious right in general. My thoughts on this, we need less of both extremes and someone who can make decisions based on fact. Sometimes, that is republican and sometimes that is democrat.
More neglect of injured veterans by BushCo
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16896184.htm
Probe: VA not doing enough for Iraq vetsHOPE YENAssociated PressWASHINGTON – The Veterans Affairs’ system for handling disability claims is strained to its limit, and the Bush administration’s current efforts to relieve backlogs won’t be enough to serve veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, investigators said Tuesday.
In testimony to a House panel, the Government Accountability Office and Harvard professor Linda Bilmes detailed their study into the VA’s claims system in light of growing demands created by wars. They found a system on the verge of crisis due to backlogs, cumbersome paperwork and ballooning costs.
The House hearing is the latest to review the quality of care for wounded troops returning from Iraq – from emergency medical care at military hospitals, to long-term rehabilitation at VA clinics and eventual transition to civilian life with VA disability payments.
Sasquatch? No, I don’t think I meet the height requirement and I can’t make screams in the night that travel for miles.
Welcome to Goverment Health Care.
Hey ksgrm,
Last night we had two of the ribeyes that I got out of White’s bargain bin on Saturday. Cooked them up on my gas fired grill with some mushrooms and onions.
How many trees should I plant to get right with my carbon footprint?
Hank
CapnAmerica=anti-sasquatch.
Shameful. You should be more “inclusive” and “tolerant”
Sniff . . . sniff . . . why do I just . . . sniff . . . (choking back tears) . . . want to pick on poor widdle JM-Eier-UncleWilliam-Steve-Khan?
Can’t think of a thing.
Oh, except the constant trolling and lying.
Yeah, I think that would be it . . .
Well Hank according to that article you shouldn’t drive for at least a week and ride your bike when you need to go somewhere.
Grm
I’m grilling with charcoal tonight. I got lots of trees and so does my neighbor who doesn’t ever grill. I think we’ll balance out and, well, feel good about it. And that’s what’s important: feeling good about it regardless of reality.
fleetwood – good to see you agree with BushCo that veterans deserve neglect!
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16896362.htm
haha, yup funny stuff, Hank.
You’re descendants will be cursing ignorant pieces of crap like you for generations, but hey think of how the slave-masters used to kid about the abolitionists!
Man, that was some funny stuff!
“I say, Col. Butler, did you hear the one about the abolitionist’s wife who backed into a cotton ‘gin?”
“No, Col. Parker, what, I say, what happened?”
“Dis, I say, dis-ass-ed her.”
No Capn,
Using the death of a 19 year old is uncalled for and shows extremely bad judgment on your part to try and use it to get a rise out of me.
Sorry, not going to cry or even wince Capn. You flatter yourself if you think you can bother me with your tactics of evil intent.
But I will call you on using someone else into an argument when it’s between you and me.
You can post the fool’s post if you want, you appear to be the best on this Blog at doing such a thing.
Oh Kahn,Click on my name to see my girly butt. I’ll bet you are as lonely as I am. Come over to my house tonight to lick on the dinky flap of skin I call a penis. After much shaking and throbbing, I am sure I will yell KAHN!!!!!!!!!!!! at the top of my lungs. See ya friend.
Capn….Did you just troll my nic? That sure looks like something you’d write.
No thanks SOB or SOB’s troll.
yech
Man, I’m now in the trolled club. That’s freakin’ awesome.
A troll getting trolled, you don’t see that every day.
And I didn’t even do it, nor do I approve of it, but hey, karma is a bitch.
Anyway, KKKhan, put your last post into English and I’ll see what I can make of it.
On second thought, forget it . . .
I would never use that many exclamation points.
Punctuation is not pepper; one can’t just sprinkle it in without reason.
Danny it’s all politics. I can’t trust one single Republicon right now to do the right thing and part from the herd.
Example, my own representative sat in front of me and told me if he voted against what the bigwigs in the party wanted, his office would be in a closet.
He has a really nice office.
Yeah sure Capn, you are the perfect candidate to be a troll. You hate so much, being a troll would be a natural for you.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you troll all these nics you say I am and then claim them to be someone else.
SOB,
“Give it up people. Whatever happens it is natural. Nothing we can do about it. Accept it.”
Right… humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into Earth’s atmosphere is completely “NATURAL”. /sarcasm off. CO2, methane, CFC’s, HFC’s, SF6, etc..
SOB: “But if we DID do something about it, I’d start with plugging those pesky volcanos with all their nasty CO2.”
http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/2006/02/volcanos-emit-more-co2.html“The sum total of all volcanoes emit CO2 at a rate about 1/150th that of anthropogenic emissions.
The USGS Volcano Hazards programhttp://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html
Volcano World from the University of N. Dakotahttp://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html ”
With easy Internet access, why are people like SOB so misinformed on this important issue?
“I wouldn’t be surprised if you troll all these nics you say I am and then claim them to be someone else.”
Jeez, Khan, your paranoid delusions are getting the best of you today.
What’s next? Are you going to accuse everyone that disagrees with you of being homosexual?
“With easy Internet access, why are people like SOB so misinformed on this important issue?”Posted by: cosmos | March 13, 2007 at 05:36 PM
Because hyperlinks is not the equivalent of a science degree in the field that you are presenting?
It would be like arguing the points of a technical court trial using only hyperlinked information.
Being a Jail house Lawyer is no better than being a Park Bench Scientist. It just doesn’t work.
Another good column re Hank Price’s 8:58 AM post,
‘Debunking the NYT’s Sloppy Hit Piece on Gore’http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-roberts/debunking-the-nyts-slopp_b_43310.html
Oh great Cosmos,The writer of that Huffington post has a PhD in Philosophy. Is he going to explain the metaphysical aspects of Jean Paul Sarte Existentialism as it applies to GW?
(wads up report, throws it in trash)
Sorry to interrupt.
Cosmos always does SUCH good work on this.
I have to take Hanks earth angel wings away and give them to cosmos.
Sorry Hank
I am DYING over here.
No not really.Sorry again Hank.
Michael Savage is…..well he is a lunatic. But he is also a conservative radio mouth. He is cracking me up!
It seems bush is down in South America. Today he visited a lettuce packing facility. heh heh
“I uh I packed some lettuce today. And I worked hard. And It was the height of my Presidency.”
OMG!heh heh
I guess packing the lettuce was better than catching that fish!
Savage is lamenting that we have a complete idiot for a President.
PM.Currently I agree with you, won’t like I lean toward conservative in some ways and liberal in others. I just think, that being party strict seems bad all around as it gives an illusion of choice.
Guess I’m just frustrated with the current political crop that is out there.
So J R,
Does that mean that the NYT article isn’t the puff piece on Gore you first tried to get us to believe?
Amazing.
Of course cosmos does a good job. He goes to the ultra left-wing mediamatters.org and they tell him what to think! They are so far to the left they think all of the Sunday talk shows on TV are conservative!
I link to the Grey Lady, the NYT, and cosmos gives you the wacky left.
Hank
PS Can’t have the wings back. I put buffalo sauce on them and had them as an appetizer before supper. Sorry.
I ALREADY thanked you several times for your link Hank.
But the Earth angel award is for spirit of post.
I gotta give you the order of the kevlar boot. It aint just a pretty. You wear it so ya aren’t injured when you shoot yourself in the foot!
Eagle editors?
Our President has just had the high point of his Presidency…packing lettuce!
A thread may be needed for this pivotal moment in American history! Loose the pigeons! Wake the kids and phone the neighbors!
Hank mark this day on your calendar! Cause we are living in a moment that will be remembered after we are dead and gone!
I apologize J R,
I did not feel the sincerity of your gracious appreciation of my link.
I’ve marked my calendar. Keep listening to Savage, it’ll make you a better, more loving person.
Hank
Dang it I can’t find a link to cut and paste.
“We were packing lettuce. And it was really, really fun.”
As soon as I stop laughing I may start crying.
Hank Price,”Of course cosmos does a good job. He goes to the ultra left-wing mediamatters.org and they tell him what to think!”
Dear Hank Price,
You seem to be claiming that the Scientific American and Stanford are “ultra left-wing”. They’re linked at that Media Matters page.
And are the scientists at the IPCC (international), NOAA, USGS, and the University of N. Dakota also “ultra left-wing”?
But hey Hank… whatever makes you happy in your state of DENIAL. In a few years, you will be forced to admit the truth about AGW.
Cos–
That’s what so maddening about these reich-wingers, they NEVER admit they’re wrong.
Take Hank, for instance. He still thinks Congress is Republican. He still thinks Weapons of Mass Destruction have been FOUND in Iraq. Just look at all that yellow cake.
Nevermind that the yellowcake had been there for twenty years, it was still under seal and hadn’t been touched, and we probably sold it to him to begin with.
Nope. Saddam had yellowcake. Don’t think about it, just repeat it.
As for JM-Khan et al. who had this brilliant insight:
I wouldn’t be surprised if you troll all these nics you say I am and then claim them to be someone else.
Posted by: Republikhan | March 13, 2007 at 05:35 PM
I want you to remember you said that tomorrow, KKKhan. Just keep it in mind, and it in 12 hours it will all become clear to you.
I want you to remember you said that tomorrow, KKKhan. Just keep it in mind, and it in 12 hours it will all become clear to you.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | March 13, 2007 at 09:08 PM
I can’t wait.
Perhaps CaptainAmerica works for the Eagle ;)
Two weeks on the blog, Khan, and already you have reached a new low that even Fleetwood and Golfnut have not been able to reach.
The Blogs Most Despised Poster.
Congrats!!!!!
Thanks (bows)
I’m glad the curse every third word boys find themselves so glorified and without sin.
(rolls eyes)
(rolls eyes) = JM trademark.
You better be prepared to pay your royalties.
Hey “RepubliKhan”?
Make yourself useful. (for once)
Be a good boy and go find me a link about the produce packer in chief.
Funny, KKKhan, JM thought I was connected with The Eagle too.
Amazing coincidence.
“There’s something happening here and you don’t know what it is, do you, Mrs. Jones.”
rolls eyes is a good thing to use, too bad they don’t have graphic emoticons here.
hmmm, that’s from a song isn’t it? Buffalo Springfield?
Dylan…… figures you would even screw that up.
Heh, yup, Clark.
THIS is from Buffalo Springfield:
What a field day for the heatMusta been a thousand people in the streetSinging songs and carrying signsMostly say, hooray for our side.
Stop, children, what’s that sound?Everybody look what’s goingDown . . .
Capn’, my son is named after Bob Dylan……………
I guess that I should be able to recognize his lyrics!
Perhaps you should look for a blog that affords such amenities.
We promise to miss you. Honest.
Bob Dylan was out of style by the time I was a teenager, at least on the radio. He would appear on TV, thought his singing was pretty crummy.
Had some English teaches that were obsessed with him though. Boring stuff…
There must be some way outta hereSaid the joker to the thiefThere’s too much confusionCan’t get no relief
Business men they drink my winePlowmen dig my earthNone of them along the lineKnow what any of it is worth.
OR
I see my light come shiningFrom the west down to the eastAny day now, any day nowI shall be released.
OR
All along the watchtower, princes kept the viewWhile all their ladies came and went, their foot servants too.Outside in the distance, a wild cat did growlTwo riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.
Didn’t listen to Dylan in the ROTC house, eh?
Somehow, that doesn’t surprise me.
Actually, though Dylan came out with a huge album in ‘75 with his angry, driving song about the phony-balony trial of Hurricane Carter.
Blowin’ in the Wind was probably the best song of the 20th century.
Certainly had the most impact.
“Bob Dylan was out of style by the time”
Bob Dylan is not out of style NOW!!! His latest CD debuted at Number 1 on Billboard in 2006.
Jesus H. Christ, not only are you a right wing moron, but you are hopelessly out of style.
Christ.
So, let’s hear some things about your self Capn.
What did you do in College. Where you in Vietnam? When did you get out of jail?
I was too young for Vietnam. I got a draft card though. My lottery number was 36.
Some things you never forget.
I didn’t mind dying for my country. I sure wasn’t going to kill for it though . . .
You know how the reich-wing is saying that if we weren’t in Iraq, we’d all be carrying Korans and praying to Mecca?
Back then, it was if we weren’t in Vietnam, communists would be invading San Francisco.
How long must the greatest country in the history of the world live in ignorance and hate?
So you were born in 1956 then.
Funny how different people see the same country.
I see a great country, land of opportunity. Great places to visit, varied and interesting peoples. So many things to do, you would need a thousand lifetimes to do it all.
You see ignorance and hate. Interesting…
So, Khan, if you see so much of this country that is great, why are you so god damned hateful towards fifty percent of us?
Half the country is conservative and half are liberal, as evidenced by the last several elections.
So why the hatred?
Your own comments towards others WSClark are sometimes filled with hate and intolerance and you ask me that question?
You belittle, bully, call names, insult and are outright rude and vulgar to people. You never sincerely apologize and harass people in the same mantra over and over.
You act just like a neighbor I had who was a chronic alcoholic; intolerant and full of hate and himself.
And you see how CapnAmerica treats me. He keeps hounding me every day, won’t let up. He’s making it his mission to harass me several times a day on the blog even after I started posting nicely.
He even made a promise not to bother me and broke it because he lied and he enjoys lieing.
If you want to be treated fairly, just post like you have today, state your opinion. I’ll give you your due and respect.
But when the thug gang which sometimes includes yourself, come around and use terms like moron, stupid, reich wing and a hundred other of those genre of words…
Why wouldn’t I react badly?
If you want to be left alone, discuss the issues, I’ll leave you alone.
CapnAmerica is a special nutcase, he will probably never leave me alone because of his mental problem of being a Blog Bully.
I still have hope for you Mr. Clark and actually think that a person like yourself who is a grandfather, knows how to act responsibility which includes acting responsibility on a blog.
I’ve seen you do it, so why not do it all the time?
Far between sundown’s finish an’ midnight’s broken tollWe ducked inside the doorway, thunder crashingAs majestic bells of bolts struck shadows in the soundsSeeming to be the chimes of freedom flashing
You started from the very first post. You immediately began attacking J R, Capn’ and me….. without provocation.
You do not deserve respect until you own up to your reasons for attacking us from the beginning.
We gave you no cause. Your first post was an insult.
So do not give us ground rules in order to avoid your vicious behavior.
In the city’s melted furnace, unexpectedly we watchedWith faces hidden while the walls were tighteningAs the echo of the wedding bells before the blowin’ rain
Dissolved into the bells of the lightning
Okay, continue to be a Blog Bully then.
Everyone will recognize what you are and you will get ignored.
Lot of people already ignore CapnAmerica because he is so far out there and no one wants to get hounded by him with his psychotic manner.
CapnAmerica doesn’t even realized he’s ostracized, but read the number of posters who actually respond to him. They don’t, they know what he is, a Blog bully.
If you want that tagged on your name, then by all means do so.
I’m very aggressive when it comes to posting and sometimes over the top. But respect when a person says stop bothering me, I will stop.
Through the mad mystic hammering of the wild ripping hailThe sky cracked its poems in naked wonderThat the clinging of the church bells blew far into the breezeLeaving only bells of lightning and its thunder
You still have NOT answered, Khan. Your first posts were insults directed at J R. Capn’ and me.
Why?
No they weren’t they were directed at someone else, Steve or something.
Then you and your butt buddies started dog piling me.
Through the wild cathedral evening the rain unraveled talesFor the disrobed faceless forms of no positionTolling for the tongues with no place to bring their thoughtsAll down in taken-for-granted situations
“Then you and your butt buddies started dog piling me.”
Why the homosexual reference? I have never met J R, who is a father or Capn’, who is married.
And I am involved and have three children.
So why the unnecessary reference?
Why all the unnecessary references to me?
Your turn to answer questions.
Even you would have to admit that it was rather curious that someone new to the Blog would begin attacking us straight away. For Christ’s sake, you didn’t even know if we were liberal or moderate.
So why the attacks?
…. and you STILL have not answered the question.
Through the wild cathedral evening the rain unraveled talesFor the disrobed faceless forms of no positionTolling for the tongues with no place to bring their thoughtsAll down in taken-for-granted situations
Kahn,You’re the stupidest ass to post here, ever. Quite a distinction, I would say!
I will leave you with this little bit of Dylan:*****Then take me disappearin’ through the smoke rings of my mind,Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves,The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach,Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow.
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free,Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands,With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves,Let me forget about today until tomorrow.
Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,I’m not sleepy and there is no place I’m going to.Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me,In the jingle jangle morning I’ll come followin’ you.*****
Kahn, let me let you in on a very important secret, you need to get in touch with your grief. It wouldn’t be so embarrassing for you, if you did.
Goodbye, chum(p)…
So, Khan, why did you immediately begin calling me Heevie? I do not hide my heritage – actually I am proud of all I am – but why the ethnic slur right off the bat?
Even though a cloud’s white curtain in a far-off corner flashedAn’ the hypnotic splattered mist was slowly liftingElectric light still struck like arrows, fired but for the onesCondemned to drift or else be kept from drifting
Okay, I give up.
From the beginning you started calling me Dave and attributing every post he made to you to me.
I don’t know who Dave is. You wouldn’t let up, it was Dave this, Dave that…are you really that stupid Dave.
Then J R starts in Singing. The CapnAmerica joins in and calls me JM, an Eeer and some guy named Durnden.
Then CF who has agreed to leave me alone and he honored his decision.
At least CF is honorable and keeps his word.
I can’t say that about you, CapnAmerica and J R. I guess I should add Steven Davis to the list.
Oh yeah,
I’m not answering any more of your questions, since you won’t answer mine.
“I’m not answering any more of your questions, since you won’t answer mine.”
Well I think I have adequately expressed why we thought you were Dave or JM or some other ghost from the past – since you almost immediately picked up on issues like my Jewish heritage.
But if you have a question – I will answer it.
The clock is running and soon the bell will toll.
Starry-eyed an’ laughing as I recall when we were caughtTrapped by no track of hours for they hanged suspendedAs we listened one last time an’ we watched with one last lookSpellbound an’ swallowed ’til the tolling ended
Or is that the O’Bell will toll
Chimes of Freedom – Bob Dylan
Flashing for the warriors whose strength is not to fightFlashing for the refugees on the unarmed road of flightAn’ for each an’ ev’ry underdog soldier in the nightAn’ we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
Tolling for the rebel, tolling for the rakeTolling for the luckless, the abandoned an’ forsakedTolling for the outcast, burnin’ constantly at stakeAn’ we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
Time is running out, Khan, what are your questions?
Striking for the gentle, striking for the kindStriking for the guardians and protectors of the mindAn’ the unpawned painter behind beyond his rightful timeAn’ we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
Tolling for the deaf an’ blind, tolling for the muteTolling for the mistreated, mateless mother, the mistitled prostituteFor the misdemeanor outlaw, chased an’ cheated by pursuitAn’ we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
Running out of time here…
Kahn, you are not as stupid as you appear to be. I am sorry that you can’t see that. I will end it there.
You poor chump…
Did you have a question?
Tolling for the searching ones, on their speechless, seeking trailFor the lonesome-hearted lovers with too personal a taleAn’ for each unharmful, gentle soul misplaced inside a jailAn’ we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing
Tolling for the aching ones whose wounds cannot be nursedFor the countless confused, accused, misused, strung-out ones an’ worseAn’ for every hung-up person in the whole wide universeAn’ we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
We will see you all!!!!!
Running out of time here…Kahn, you are not as stupid as you appear to be. I am sorry that you can’t see that. I will end it there. You poor chump…Posted by: Steven Davis | March 13, 2007 at 11:52 PM
Why thank you. :)
Fifteen men on a dead man’s chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Drink and the devil be done for the rest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
The mate was fixed by the bos’n’s pike
The bos’n’ brained with a marlin spike and
Cookey’s throat was marked belike It
Had been gripped by fingers ten and
There they lay all good dead men like
Break o’ day in a boozing ken__
Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum
“Why thank you. :)”
You poor dumb asshole…
Me thinks Matey’s they have gone for an IP Block on me …ARRRRRRRRR
And even t’ough they haven’t stated the fact, but they gave me advanced warning…ARRRRRRRRR
So listen up fellow Republicans…If I disappear for some reason it will be due to the treachery of CapnAmerica, WSClark, J R and Steven Davis.
They do not want to hear what the right has to say so they (Phillip Brownlee) will IP block it.
Never mind that they call people of the Blog very bad names (too awful to print here) and tell people; WSClark tells people like Fleetwood he is (doing) something with his dead daughter;CapnAmerica threatens to bring a gun to the meetup;J R lies about an email to a Congressman and calls GSheridan many awful names and…
KSFarmgrrl uses a plethora of profanity and insults that goes way beyond the pale…
They will ban my IP because they cannot handle any opposition to their lies.
Now I know there are reasonable people on this blog on the Democratic side. Listen up ye mateys, if this happens to me it can happen to you.
They fear me because of my debating skills. They loathe my views and call me treacherous…
ARRRRRR
Perhaps I am, but what would ye be without the right. Will ye have to make three lefts to turn right?
The insider influence of this Blog appears to be connected on the far left of the foul mouths.
So be it, let the foul mouths lead you and you shall reap what you sew.
beware of the ghost ships…I will return…ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Perhaps Phillip Brownlee was offended for laughing at his DC Journalist for his lack of Journalistic skills. :)
Like I said, if I disappear, you will know that the WE Blog Gestapo has listened to the extreme far left foul mouths who need an unencumbered venue for their unfettered lies and conspiracy theories.
Khan!!!!!!!
Don’t worry about the eagle trying to block your IP. It would be fruitless.
I know. :)
But it was fun playing victim for awhile. ROFL!