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Kudos to the Eagle’s Dion Lefler for the excellent research in this article published yesterday:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/16879277.htmSebelius’ ties to parkland buyers under scrutiny
Keep up the good work!
I think I get to claim the honor of being the first to be insulted by Kahn for no real reason:
“If brains were dynamite, Steven Davis couldn’t blow his nose.
“Posted by: RepubliKhan | March 06, 2007 at 09:27 PM”
He’s new here? Yeah, right. Has he yet to deny he’s JM?
This poster just has to be a more bitter JM. Remember all those stories about his wife leaving him. I think I am getting the picture of how smart a woman she was.
A couple of things, first has any one heard of Bernard Lewis? The receiver of the 2007 Irving Kristol award from the American Enterprise. Watch his speech on Cspan books. An interesting view of the crisis in the Middle East. He was informative as to that through history there has been many turns of fortune between the Muslims and Christians for the lands of the European countries and the middle east. far more then the Crusades.
Second is Ted Kopel’s piece called “Our children’s children war, it covers the struggle in this “generational war“ we are in. Gen. Abizad is in it and said that there is no way to win this with military might. That in reality the military should only be play about a 20 % part in Iraq. But right now it is the other way around and that is why we can not win there.
The mideast oil rip off must be well underway which likely will only feed the mideast patriots to do what is necessary to defend THEIR natural resources. The world truly does not need more oil as we need to be cutting back so why is Bush spending so much TAX money taking over the mideast oil fields which is fueling a civil war?
Considering USA corporate oil giants are setting up shop abroad proably means taxpayers will be receiving multi billion invoices for protection of USA special interest. Our soldiers are NEVER coming home. You know it just might be more sensible to buy the oil instead of claiming it as USA oil?
As of now there are approximately 153,000 dead or disabled soldiers. To date 150,000 are drawing disabilitypay each month forever and cannot return to active duty.
Where will additional soldiers come from….your home?
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1681119,00.html================================
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2030015,00.html
Today’s topics are boring, boring, boring.
The one about the terrorist is okay, but enough already with Brownback, no one cares…..
And Tiahart…..ditto….
I guess that will cast the board die for another round of bickering and pseudo-threats.
…yawn…..
Oh, Steven….cry me a river…
Oh goodness gracious, GS is bored. Maybe today she can find time to get off her computer and get a life.
Hey KS Meadow,
Where do you stand on that article you posted there? U think KS is being railroaded and the links are nothing but circumstantial or do you think there is some backdoor dealings???
I think its the head of the department that’s to blame, not KS. Or maybe there is actually a reason for them to have that much Sq footage…
GS now you started it with Steven Davis, I don’t wanna hear you whining if you get it back.
Meadowlark only posts things he thinks will hurt pro-choice people. He did write pieces for Kline’s campaign. Still sore about that election Meadowlark?
POliticalMom – Steven started whining on this thread.
Oh wait, I forgot….that’s what Liberals do best.
….carry on….
Halliburton is moving to Dhabi, Mmm it may me wonder… Do we have a extradition agreement with Dhabi?
Hey Wichita Drivers….
Someone please drive by the pedestrian overpass on Kellogg West of 135 interchange. Someone is trying to write something in White cups across the road…
I want to know who we should prosecute for littering…
And this is not whining? “Today’s topics are boring, boring, boring.”
I think you need some cheese this morning. And a side dish of hypocricy.
:D
REPOSTED FOR THOSE WHO DIDN’T SEE IT ON THE OTHER OPEN THREAD
This is for you, Steven:
On the “Spitting” thread, Mr. Cock-and-Bull story posted about how he got a waiver because of bad back in the military.
I remember JM saying he had never been to Vietnam even though he was in the Air Force, so I asked JM . . . uh . . . I mean Khan why he had never served in Vietnam.
Here’s his reply:
Yeah, but you were never in ‘Nam though, RepubliKhan.
How’d you manage to evade that one?
Posted by: CapnAmerica | March 11, 2007 at 09:35 PM
Too young CapnAmerica?
Posted by: Republikhan | March 11, 2007 at 09:37 PM
Unfortunately for him, Mr. Lie-a-Minute had forgot that he had posted this just the day before:
James Earl Carter, Jr., served as President from 1977 to 1981.
I distinctly remember “wiping my brow” as I had gotten my interest rate at 6.5 percent years earlier.
Posted by: Republikhan | March 10, 2007 at 08:50 PM
He’s claiming that he was old enough to get a mortgage on a house in say 1974, but he was too young to go to ‘Nam.
See, that’s what you get with Khan’s (and JM and Eier and Uncle William).
The sh*t he says just doesn’t add up and it doesn’t ring true.
Just like the 53 year old Down’s Syndrome ‘cousin’ that is in ‘great shape’ against all medical odds . . .
He’s amusing himself at our expense.
He’s seeing how much lying BS we’ll swallow.
The CONs are getting played for suckers just as much as the Libs are by this inDUHvidual.
I’m not posting for YOUR benefit, Khan.
I’m posting for the benefit of people who want to interact with other post-ers who aren’t just lying through their teeth.
PM – I noted the boring topics, and they ARE redundant, after all.
Steven started a crybaby tattle-tale account of a VERY mild insult from Khan.
I’ve read enough of Steven’s insults to others to know he’s no innocent.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/11/business/11mortgage.html?ex=1331269200&en=c6ed5757baea462e&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
News AnalysisCrisis Looms in Market for MortgagesBy GRETCHEN MORGENSONPublished: March 11, 2007On March 1, a Wall Street analyst at Bear Stearns wrote an upbeat report on a company that specializes in making mortgages to cash-poor homebuyers. The company, New Century Financial, had already disclosed that a growing number of borrowers were defaulting, and its stock, at around $15, had lost half its value in three weeks.
A Booming Market What happened next seems all too familiar to investors who bought technology stocks in 2000 at the breathless urging of Wall Street analysts. Last week, New Century said it would stop making loans and needed emergency financing to survive. The stock collapsed to $3.21.
The analyst’s untimely call, coupled with a failure among other Wall Street institutions to identify problems in the home mortgage market, isn’t the only familiar ring to investors who watched the technology stock bubble burst precisely seven years ago.
Now, as then, Wall Street firms and entrepreneurs made fortunes issuing questionable securities, in this case pools of home loans taken out by risky borrowers. Now, as then, bullish stock and credit analysts for some of those same Wall Street firms, which profited in the underwriting and rating of those investments, lulled investors with upbeat pronouncements even as loan defaults ballooned. Now, as then, regulators stood by as the mania churned, fed by lax standards and anything-goes lending.
CapnCrunch, So – ignore him. What’s the big deal? You claim YOU’RE not being played for a fool – so why are you so concerned about others?
I didn’t know JM, but your post doesn’t provide any conclusive evidence that Khan IS him. And if he is – so what? Are you the board monitor?
I’ve seen the comments some of the more radical libs here have made to Khan. What you’ve posted here pales in comparison to those.
Desmond has a barrow in the market place.Molly is a singer in a band.Desmond says to Molly – girl I like your faceAnd Molly says this as she takes him by the hand.Ob-la-di Ob-la-da life goes on braLala how the life goes onOb-la-di Ob-la-da life goes on braLala how the life goes onDesmond takes a trolley to the jewellers’ stores,Buys a twenty carat golden ring.Takes it back to Molly waiting at the doorAnd as he gives it to her she begins to singIn a couple of years they have builtA home sweet homeWith a couple of kids running in the yardOf Desmond and Molly Jones.Happy ever after in the market placeDesmond lets the children lend a hand.Molly stays at home and does her pretty faceAnd in the evening she still sings it with the band.Happy ever after in the market placeMolly lets the children lend a hand.Desmond stays at home and does his pretty faceAnd in the evening she’s singer with the band.And if you want some fun – take Ob-la-di Ob-la-da.
Troop Increase 8200 more:What the Military Commanders in the field are saying:Source: Houston Chronicle March 11, 2007
Gen. David Petraeus:
“There have been about 30 percent more offensive actions and attacks. Many of those are initiated by us; some are initiated by them,” Petraeus said from a base outside Tikrit. “I am cautiously optimistic that in the next 30 to 60 days that we’re going to see some significant differences in the security situation in Diyala.”
If not, he said, he’ll go back and ask for still more support.
Petraeus said Thursday that the U.S. buildup in Iraq would need to be sustained “for some time well beyond the summer” to garner the needed results.
Maj. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, commander of coalition forces in the north, told reporters Friday that his troops have picked up the pace of their attacks on the enemy in Diyala province, northeast of Baghdad.
“Could I use more forces? No question about it,” Mixon said, adding that he had asked for more.
“Steven started a crybaby tattle-tale account of a VERY mild insult from Khan.”
I am stating the empirical truth that Kahn is a troll and started out that way. That’s crying? Sure, whatever you think delusional breath.
I have only responded to insulting remarks with insults, which is not right. But, you take up your usual mischaracterization of fact. Big surprise there.
I generally ignore you. Your record of posting deliberate untruths would take a long time to document. Anyone who is not completely insane knows this, so I won’t bother. I will continue to ignore you.
I hope you DO ignore, me Steven. I only posted in response to you because I just recently read your insults to ksgrm about how she was an irresponsible mom, shouldn’t have kids, etc. I believe that is all on the March 8 Open Thread. That’s paraphrased, of course.
But you are one of the many here who insult others freely, so it seems more than hypocritical when you come whining around over such a mild insult as the one you cite.
….sheesh….
And if you want to ignore me for pointing out your hypocrisy – be my guest.
Sherri, baby–
Take a breath.
You’re a con. I’m a lib. We have different points of view and we argue about them.
That’s fine. That’s what the blog is intended to do.
Now, what if I say I was Rush Limbaugh’s personal driver for two years in Florida. As his personal driver, I personally witnessed Rush snorting cocaine off the naked breasts of transgendered males.
That’s not the same, is it?
That’s lying. Lying debases the entire discussion because it claims personal experience for something that the writer has no experience of.
If that doesn’t bother you, then go right ahead and support people like Khan.
But I guessing that despite your highly partisan rhetoric (just like mine), there’s some basic integrity underlying it (just like I have).
That’s why I don’t understand why you would stick up for a snot-puke nic switching troll like Khan.
He he were posting on the left-side of the spectrum, I’d call out his lies just as vociferously as I do now.
It debases and demeans the entire weblog.
The insults don’t bother me nearly as much as the lies.
hee hee hee hee
I see the trolls and stalkers are out early today.
“You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant”
Walk right in,it’s around the back.Just about a mile fromthe railroad tracks……
You can get anything you want at Alice’s Restaurant…excepting Alice.
Time to take out the garbage? Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
“Havin’ all that room,seein’ as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn’t have to take out their garbage for a long time.
We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it’d be a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump.
So we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headedon toward the city dump.”
I got the implements and the truck. Anyone wanna ride along?
Here’s a lie that PrivateJackass might enjoy:
libs are really smart.
And here’s one that’s not a lie. Click below for more “climate change” facts.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2938762&page=1
I guess that will cast the board die for another round of bickering and pseudo-threats.
…yawn…..
Posted by: GSheridan | March 12, 2007 at 05:22 AM
Oh, Steven….cry me a river…
Posted by: GSheridan | March 12, 2007 at 05:23 AM
Good going, GS. Bitch about something, and then do the same thing yourself. Just how immature is that?
“Kill, kill, kill!!!!”
“and with tears in our eyes we drove off into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage.
… and at the bottom of the cliff there was another pile of garbage.
And we decided that one big pileis better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we decided to throw our’s down.”
Well…looks like the “climate change” followers have a friend in Islam. Perfect.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21361191-421,00.html
SOB,
Philip Stott (your 10:54 AM link) his NO climate science qualificationshttp://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Philip_Stott
If you want the truth about climate change, click onhttp://www.realclimate.org/
Cheney telling it like it is about the surrender monkeys.
“When members speak not of victory but of time limits, deadlines and other arbitrary measures, they are telling the enemy simply to watch the clock and wait us out,” he said
And with the Cheney policy of unilateral invasion of countries he will create defeat where none existed before.
BDP fleet,
So your plan is to occupy Iraq FOREVER?
They already know that we will leave sometime — they will “wait us out” for as long as is necessary.
‘Mahdi Army gains strength through unwitting aid of U.S.’http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/16600612.htm” “All the Shiites have to do is tell everyone to lay low, wait for the Americans to leave, then when they leave you have a target list and within a day they’ll kill every Sunni leader in the country. It’ll be called the `Day of Death’ or something like that,” said 1st Lt. Alain Etienne, 34, of Brooklyn, N.Y. “They say, `Wait, and we will be victorious.’ That’s what they preach. And it will be their victory.” “
I say stay in Iraq or somewhere nearby in middle east, build a military base, stay there and secure the oil. We gotta have it.
Gotta have the oil man. Can’t live without it.
The article about the mortgages that were given with large balloons, adjustable rates with high ceilings, interest only for first 2 years, etc… This was a huge market debacle. Consumers were encouraged to take out mortgages they really couldn’t afford. Many find now that they either owe the entire balance (balloon), they now have a payment that has increased over 70% (interest only) or they have an adjustable rate that when adjusted doubled their payment.
With bankruptcy no longer an option for many they are simply walking away from homes in which they have no equity and in fact owe up to 125% of the home value.
This is as dangerous to consumers as the payday loans but no one is hollering – yet. We will see a glut of homes on the market, home values will crater, stocks that were built on mortages sold will be dumped. If you own one of those now is the time to bail.
Sorry not to say on topic – arguing and name calling – but quite frankly that is boring. Lets discuss some real news today.
‘Extreme weather events are ever present, and there is no evidence of systematic increases. Outside the tropics, variability should decrease in a warmer world. If this is a “crisis,” then the world is in permanent “crisis,” but will be less prone to “crisis” with warming.’
This from a post of SOB’s is but on of the many scientist now speaking out to debunk the Al Gore docudrama that was more fiction that fact.
This is just another one of those tales that are here today and gone tomorrow. Politicians have a hard time leaving the limelight and have been known to create reasons to keep their keep their face in the news. Unfortunately the Hollywood left latched on to this one and elevated it to a “cause”.
That’s right SOB – gotta steal resources from whoever have them. WE ARE THE MASTER RACE!
I said nothing of stealing oil. Do not infer.
Ksgrm
Answer honestly.
Have you seen the documentary “An Inconvenient Truth”?
If you have not, you cannot comment objectively and should admit that when you post. That is called intellectual honesty.
Yeah well you send YOUR kids to man that permanent base over in Iraq SOB.
Mine will NOT be going. I think you will find that a common sentiment. COULD be problematic for the future defense of the country in LEGITIMATE matters.
“Gotta have the oil man. Can’t live without it.”
Then buy it from whoever wins. Why do we need troops there to get the oil unless we are stealing it?
We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty seven eight-by-tencolour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the backof each one, sat down. Man came in said, “All rise.” We all stood up,and Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossypictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and hesat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at thetwenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrowsand a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circlesand arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,’cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of Americanblind justice, and there wasn’t nothing he could do about it, and thejudge wasn’t going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossypictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of eachone explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. Andwe was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but thats notwhat I came to tell you about.
Came to talk about the draft.
ksgrm,
“This from a post of SOB’s is but on of the many scientist now speaking out to debunk the Al Gore docudrama that was more fiction that fact.”
SOB’s post is an OPINION column by Philip Stott, who has NO climate science qualifications.http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Philip_Stott
Gore’s documentary and book are based on science from NASA, NOAA, IPCC, etc.
THERE’S SOMETHING HAPPENING HERE, BUT YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS, DO YOU, MRS. JONES?
Bob Dylan
SOB is JM-Eier-Uncle William-Khan.
Consider everything he posts to be a lie until proven otherwise.
and there, there on the other side, in the middle of the other side, away from everything else on the other side, in parentheses, capital letters, quotated, read the following words:
(”KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?”)
“He said, “Kid,we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton ofgarbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it.”
And I said, “Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage.”
Overblown Personnel Matters, by Paul Krugman, Commentary, NY Times: Nobody is surprised to learn that the Justice Department was lying when it claimed that recently fired federal prosecutors were dismissed for poor performance. Nor is anyone surprised to learn that White House political operatives were pulling the strings.
What is surprising is how fast the truth is emerging about what Alberto Gonzales, the attorney general, dismissed just five days ago as an “overblown personnel matter.”
Sources told Newsweek that the list of prosecutors to be fired was drawn up by Mr. Gonzales’s chief of staff, “with input from the White House.” And Allen Weh, the chairman of the New Mexico Republican Party, told McClatchy News that he twice sought Karl Rove’s help … in getting David Iglesias, the state’s U.S. attorney, fired for failing to indict Democrats. “He’s gone,” he claims Mr. Rove said.
.morg–
My e-mail is live. E-me so I can e-mail you back.
CapnA.
<— Has registered Typekey account.
Looks around board at the other trolls. :)
PrivateJackass,
You are delisional. I grow weary of you claiming everyone to be the same person. Get a new routine.
ksgrm,
“Unfortunately the Hollywood left latched on to this one and elevated it to a “cause”. ”
Why does ksgrm believe that scientists at IPCC, NCAR, et al = “the Hollywood left”?
‘New climate report: More bad news’http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4618797.html” “Changes in climate are now affecting physical and biological systems on every continent,” the report says, in marked contrast to a 2001 report by the same international group that said the effects of global warming were coming. But that report only mentioned scattered regional effects.
“Things are happening and happening faster than we expected,” said Patricia Romero Lankao of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., one of the many co-authors of the new report. “
Make him sit on the Group W bench with the mother rapers and father stabbers!
heheheheheheheheh wichi!
If my kid volunteers like everybody else in the military, that’s his choice man. Nobody’s forcing you or your own.
And, securing does not mean stealing. Securing means just that..Securing. Look it up.
SOB/Khan/JM/Uncle William/Eier–
No, I don’t claim that “everybody” is the same person.
Fleetwood is not Hank is not GSheridan is not Meadowlark etc. etc.
It’s just YOU that is the lying odd ball.
What lies have I told? Come on, now go and spend lots of time looking up stuff trying to find it. Go! Fetch for me boy!
Oh, and J R,
At your suggestion, I went back and read Raptor’s comments.
Whatever.
I will just put him on the same pile as Fleet, Khan and Golfnut.
The point was pretty minor, actually, but he made a reference, I asked what he meant by it……
As I said, whatever.
Clarkie, don’t you know that fleet, khan and golfnut are all the same person? Just ask PrivateJackass.
OR…is that REALLY YOU!?!?!?!
Ugh.
SOB,
You never say anything that can be proven true or false.
It’s like the picture of the shiny ass that you linked your typekey account to: one can’t tell if it’s male of female.
Your posts are neither fish nor fowl.
But they aren’t worth reading–that’s for sure.
No, SOB, I was the one that suggested that Nut and Khan were the same and I know that Fleet is an original, since no one would or could lower themselves to those depths.
Clarkie,
Ah, I can’t keep all those conspiracy stories straight. Thanks for clearing that up.
PrivateJackass,
So I don’t lie then. Thanks for the retraction!
“Thanks for the retraction!”
No, that’s what SHE said to you, SOB.
Oh nooooo. I have been (gasp) put in a (sob) pile by that voice of reason and logic, WSC.
Whatever shall I do? I might as well go commit suicide. My life is over. (sigh)
Yeah. Right. Whatever. WS has problems debating issues, so he launches personal attacks at anyone who has a different opinion instead.
Yep..real mature.
i’ll be on the group dubya bench cap’n
“Yeah. Right. Whatever. WS has problems debating issues, so he launches personal attacks at anyone who has a different opinion instead.”
Why don’t you show me where I attacked you Raptor? You can’t – I didn’t.
You called me a black liar, a term I had never heard. I ASKED you if you meant it racially. You did not reply so I assumed that it was relative to my mixed heritage.
Whatever.
.morg
Excellent choice, my friend.
JR,
I hope he and anyone else does not have to go. But what if he chooses to are you gonna stop him. Its been my experience with kids that the more we tell them not to the more they want to.
My son is going into the military, Hawkeye – after January 2009. He will not go in with George W Bush as Commander in Chief – his choice.
I haven’t seen the Al Gore expose nor have I seen The Passion. I have seen enough comments on both to form a somewhat educated opinion. I along with a majority of climatologists thinks it is much ado about nothing. I am an environmentalists in that I recycle, don’t litter, try to conserve water, turn off light when I leave the room – all those things good consumers should do. I just don’t agree that Al Gore is educated enough to overrule many scientists who have as their field of expertise, climatology.
I remember when Tipper gore made it her goal to clean up rap and hip hop lyrics. As soon as the hollywood left screamed, she dropped it like a hop potato. Pardon me for not thinking Al is right about this one. He certainly isn’t practicing what he preached and if what he says is true don’t you think he would want to do this for his children and grandchildren. His carbon footprint is running all over someone elses.
“I remember when Tipper gore made it her goal to clean up rap and hip hop lyrics.”
Actually her goal was to establish warning labels on CD’s that had offensive language.
Go pick up the latest offering from 50 Cent – it has an explicit language sticker on it.
The Jayhawks are screwed in the NCAA Tournament – MSNBC’s Ken Davis just picked them to win the National Title.
They are jinxed now…..
WS
Absolutely, his choice. That would be the point. And a noble choice regardless of who the president is
ksgrm
“I along with a majority of climatologists thinks it is much ado about nothing.”
ksgrm that statement is just flat out wrong as I am sure someone will show you.
This is not a new cause for Al Gore.
If you had seen the documentary, you would know that.
See? That’s what I mean about intellectual honesty and being informed.
Al Gore’s documentary “An Inconvenient Truth” is 90 minutes long. An additional 30 minutes has been added to update the science in the film.
That is 2 hours out of your life ksgrm.
IF you are an environmentalist? What is 2 hours to inform yourself about what may be the most important issue of your grandchildrens lives??
I APPEAL to you to avail yourself of this documentary.
It MAY be that at the end of the film the song “I Need to Wake Up”may have personal meaning for you.
“There are none so blind as those who will not see.”
J R, isn’t “An Inconvenient Truth” available on DVD now?
It IS available on DVD.
It is also featured this month on SHowtime.
Show you where you attacked me? Ok. Yes, I called you a liar when you accused me of an absolute falsehood. My mistake was in using a term you had never heard of..one that takes a major stretch of the imagination to consider racist. And my not responding instantly? Sorry, WS, unlike you, I have a life outside this blog. I do not live here like you do.
Attack on me? Read on to refresh your memory…
As for Fleetwood, Golf Nutz, Joe Williams, SLVB, Raptor, Santiago, etc., it is my life’s mission to confront idiots, bigots, morons, losers, jerk offs, liars, numbskulls, dead child rapers, killer, millers, thieves, whack offs, jack offs, muggers, buggers, Klansmens, John Birchers, torturers, Bushers, Reaganites, Bush acolytes, racists, Nixonites, mother rapers, father rapers, drunks, bank robbers, litterers, trash tossers, ditto-heads, comma-heads, bushmen, car jackers, bike jackers, shoe jackers, sandal jackers, soul jackers, moles, tolehouse cookies, Confederate flag flyers, Confederate wannabe’s, Confederate sympathizers, Confederate whack offs, jack offs and general Consevatives mind fuckers.
But don’t let me get carried away.
Posted by: WSClark | January 11, 2007 at 05:15 PM
“My mistake was in using a term you had never heard of..one that takes a major stretch of the imagination to consider racist”
I only asked if you meant it regarding my heritage, Raptor. You never replied – so I assumed that you meant it as such, but I really could care less WHAT you think of me, racially or personally.
As for my list, it was a takeoff on from “Blazzing Saddles.”
But whatever.
WS–So, you are claiming that is NOT an attack? Calling someone a rapist, child molester, thief, drunk, etc., etc., is not a personal attack?
You asked me to show you where you attacked me. I did so. Do you still deny it?
You have demonstrated an inability to discuss anything like an adult, resorting to petty name calling and then acting offended when you get called on it.
You are pathetic.
ksgrm
You say:
“I haven’t seen the Al Gore expose nor have I seen The Passion. I have seen enough comments on both to form a somewhat educated opinion.”
So….what you are saying is you have allowed others to formulate your opinion FOR you? You don’t feel the need to inform yourself?
Further? I don’t know what it is “The Passion” has to do with …..well anything. Other than those who like it might fall under a particular political persuasion. Maybe. maybe not. For the record I HAVE seen “The Passion”.
You may recall, Raptor, that further up that thread, I was explaining that I would not attend the Blog Meet with those that had accused me of treason. I was specifically referring to Fleet, but was also referencing the attacks on my patriotism by other right wingers.
When I made my “list,” I included all of the right wing bloggers.
Should I have included you? Maybe not.
Do you want an apology. Fine.
I am sorry, Raptor that I included you in the list of right wingers.
If you miss me from the back of the busAnd you can’t find me nowhere.
C’mon over to the front of the bus.
You can find me right there.
You can find me right there.You can find me right there.
C’mon over to the front of the bus.
You can find me right there.
If you miss me from the battlefieldAnd you can’t find me nowhere
C’mon over to the protest march.
I’ll be marching over there.
I’ll be marching over there.I’ll be marching over there.
C’mon over to the protest march.
I’ll be marching over there.
ksgrm,
“I just don’t agree that Al Gore is educated enough to overrule many scientists who have as their field of expertise, climatology.”
Gore repeats the science from the large majority of qualified climate scientists, at NASA, NOAA, and other groups world-wide.
If you were HONEST, you’d admit that almost all of your “scientists” that oppose AGW are NOT climate scientists… or even scientists.
Go read “Who are the Sixty” at http://www.desmogblog.com/
Check the names of the people funded by fossil-energy and right wing groups such as Rev. Sung Myung Moon since the 1980’s,http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
Or… you can just wait a few years.
The signs of climate change are becoming more undeniable. AGW deniers will soon be like ‘flat-Earthers’, with zero credibilty.
I wonder if there is any Oriental bloodlines in WSClark’s genetics. Then he could include the all of the races in the “offend my heritage” mantras.
“Oriental bloodlines.”
No.
Republikhan = Da Bizi
’cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American blind justice, and there wasn’t nothing he could do about it.
I’ve had Algore’s DVD for a while now, makes a great coaster!
Hank
Perhaps you can get a carbon credit for that Hank. :)
Ya think?
I’d like to get my carbon footprint to where it was smaller than my south pasture!
Hank
“makes a great coaster”
Don’t try using it for a frisbee, Hank, they throw easily but catching them is a bit of a bitch.
Hank?
If you don’t have anything productive to add?
Why not stay quiet?
Quiet?!
You want quiet, JR?!
MuhoohahhahahHaHAHAHA!
Come on J R,
Is being productive the new standard? That eliminates about half your posts.
Hank
What did your flip little remark add Hank?
I am trying to get people to be informed. Why is it you are opposed to that?
Hank Price is a literal creationist.
Stewardship of that creation? He doesn’t care so much about that.
SEE ksgrm? Hank Price is the kind of person you are letting formulate your opinions for you.
“That eliminates about half your posts.”
If that eliminates half of J R’s posts, what does that say for some others?
90% of KSGolfnut’s, GSheridan’s and Khan’s.
100% of Fleetwood’.
What about me!?!
Check this video out. Good info on “climate change”
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=the+great+swindle
Actually, I’m looking into starting a company that sells carbon credits. Seriously.
Seems to be pretty simple to do, just convince people that for a price you’ll plant a tree.
Then the nitwits that are worried about their carbon footprint can pay me and they can feel better about themselves!
Really!
Algore owns a company like that and then he buys carbon credits from himself. Pays some illegal immigrants to plant a tree and then he can heat his swimming pool all winter.
I think that’s a lot better than that phoney John Edwards. Not only does he not plant trees, it looks like he clear cut about 20 acres for his new 28,000 square foot mansion!
Hank
I’ve had the same thoughts Hank.
Make money of these followers. It’d be hilarious.
JR and cosmos what you are implying is that I only read and listen to one side of a conflict. In reality I read and listen to as much as I can get my hands on. My husband has accused me of reading the ketsup label in a restaurant while waiting for our burgers and fries.
Al Gore bores me. I have found very little redeeming values in anything he has to say. For every scientist he says supports his position I can show you two that don’t.
The statement that we are killing the planet but can’t do anything about it is an oxymoron. I hear this from scientists. Either mankind is responsible or not.
We have had climate changes for eons. This is proven by fossil remains and the strata found in the rock layers. Since it isn’t something new to modern civilization why are we arrogant enough to think that we are controlling it.
WS you are absolutely right about the labels. These incidently were not the result of Tipper Gore.
I watched an interesting interview with a very clean-up looking Ludacris the other day. He, as many rappers and hip hoppers are very concerned by the large drop off in dollars spent on their cds. The offensive words and insinuations have been identified as part of the reason for this decline.
Capitalism reared it’s ugly head and the artist have decided that in order to sell their product they needed to be more responsive to their audience.
Once more consumers have driven the market and have not let the market drive them. THis is capitalism at it’s best.
If your intention is noble and you truly DO plant the trees then good on you Hank.
That said, your explanation of carbon credits is cynical and simplistic.
Well if you do not see the film ksgrm? YOU close your mind.
It is much like a little child who puts hands over ears and goes “lalalalalala”
You will miss a great deal of optimism and good news. You’ll also miss how America can again assume world leadership in economy and wealth.
I guess you’d rather not know about that.
SO you will also miss and become the example of:
“What is dangerous is not what we don’t know.
What is dangerous is what we do know that just aint so.”
Mark TwainCongratulations Hank you helped close a mind here today.
Hey, ws!
What happened to the love, my brother? I should get a 98%, at least.
JR you are making an assumption that Al Gore’s movie is the only real source of the truth. Nothing could be more eronious. I read and research both side of issues. I am just more particular of where I get my sources. I look at the pro and cons and then make up my mind.
Hank had nothing to do with closing my mind because it isn’t closed. I learn something new everyday. When people whether libs or cons have a closed mind and quit learning, their thoughts become stagnant.
Just because I don’t chose to get my information from someone I don’t respect doesn’t mean I am not making informed decisions.
ksgrm
Your last seems a little defensive.
QUITE right. So it should.
“I am just more paticular of where I get my sources”
Well….
So FAR you tell me that your sources are what what other people have had to say.
My TAKE is that you listen mostly to what you WANT to hear. I mean, we tend to respect only people we like. Mostly anyway. Right?
So if your information comes from “people you respect” only?
I think your mind is WIDE open.
In one direction.
How about this?
YOU name one movie, book, or program you think I should see or be exposed to. I will avail myself of it. If I can.
I challenge you to see “An Inconvenient Truth”
Sounds like a fair exchange?
I actually do have Al Gore’s DVD. Interesting. I couldn’t watch the whole thing at one sitting, it’s too boring.
Here’s some facts for you, Al Gore, other than being the moderator, had very little to do with the film. He didn’t write it, he didn’t produce it, he just stood there and acted like he knew something.
Al Gore didn’t receive the Oscar, the producer’s did. A few Hollywood flim flam film makers merely capitalized on Al Gore’s name.
Interesting what you can find out reading the credits!
Hank
When Libs make movies, they have to lie.
“That Moore actually did speak with then-General Motors chairman Roger Smith, the evasive subject of his 1989 debut “Roger & Me,” but chose to withhold that footage from the final cut.”
Here’s a movie to see: 300
It is so badass.
I actually saw “Roger and Me”. …back when I was young and stupid. Now I’m old and wise.
Yes well Hank
I am sure that your attention span shrinks when you are reading or seeing something which challenges you or shakes your convictions.
Hank DOES make a good point.
The film documents Al Gore doing his slide show. He’s been doing it for about 30 years.
So you see ksgrm? This is not a cause celeb for Al Gore.
It is a passion. If you see the film, you will see where that passion comes from.
“I went down to get my physical examination oneday, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, soI looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted tolook like the all-American kid”
JR I did throw a challenge out the other day. I said I would watch that movie if you would read “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell.
I will see about getting the movie as soon as I have the time to watch it.
I apologize as I must have missed your challenge.
What is the book about?
“We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it’d be a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump.
So we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headedon toward the city dump.”
“For every scientist he says supports his position I can show you two that don’t.”
Please show some documentation.
A while back the discussion was on evolution and creationism. This book was written by an atheist who chose for his master thesis to lay down the proof of the lies behind Christianity. In the process he became a Christian. It is well written and carefully referenced.
I do believe in some evolution for the survival of the fittest but can’t find enough in science to disprove the doubts I have about the origin of the species.
I have a sister in law who has taught Earth Science for over 30 years and she has explained evolution in a way that I can understand it’s tie to the world as I see it. This said, to explain that several of the articles I have read about global warming have been given to me from her. She thinks that the evidence points to the fact that we are in a climate change not unlike others that have happened in history. But I am keeping an open mind to look at this movie.
“This song is called Alice’s Restaurant, and it’s about Alice, and the restaurant, but Alice’s Restaurant is not the name of the restaurant, that’s just the name of the song, and that’s why I called the song Alice’s Restaurant.”
There ARE cyclical changes in global climate. Gore’s slide show demonstrates them graphically.
A book is a bit more investment in time than a film. I hope it is not TOO long. But a commitment is a commitment. I’ve tried the bible many times. I can’t get past page 1 without questions no one wants to answer. heh heh they kicked me out of Sunday school.
SEE? You are getting most of your info from one source. NOW you will see how it compares to another. I congratulate you.
http://newsbusters.org/node/11357
From the Babylon of Gilgamesh to the post-Eden of Noah, every age has viewed climate change cataclysmically, as retribution for human greed and sinfulness.
In the 1970s, the fear was “global cooling.” The Christian Science Monitor then declaimed, “Warning: Earth’s climate is changing faster than even experts expect,” while The New York Times announced, “A major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable.” Sound familiar? Global warming represents the latest doom-laden “crisis,” one demanding sacrifice to Gaia for our wicked fossil-fuel-driven ways.
But neither history nor science bolsters such an apocalyptic faith.
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/12/157223
“A former professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg has received multiple death threats for questioning the extent to which human activities are driving global warming. ‘”Western governments have pumped billions of dollars into careers and institutes and they feel threatened,” said the professor. “I can tolerate being called a skeptic because all scientists should be skeptics, but then they started calling us deniers, with all the connotations of the Holocaust. That is an obscenity. It has got really nasty and personal.” Richard Lindzen, the professor of Atmospheric Science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology [...] recently claimed: “Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves labelled as industry stooges. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science.”
WS, I could have gone on but I think you can see from these two that there are two very real sides to this argument and those on both sides have great credentials. Some on both sides have been threatened. Funds have been pulled because there is an agenda and if your findings didn’t support those you were defunded.
…. and Grannie, roughly 95 percent of scientists agree that global warming is a concern and that it is 90% man-made.
Now that is a fact that even George has finally admitted.
I don’t see anything wrong with the climate change movement. There is precedent of climate change throughout the history of the earth. Now, if the want to hang their hats on carbon induced climate change, that’s fine too.
The bottom line is though, that climate is going to change regardless of what man does or doesn’t do.
SOB,
“Check this video out. Good info on “climate change” ”
Actually, it’s a good example of how easy it is to deceive GULLIBLE people like SOB.
http://climatedenial.org/2007/03/09/the-great-channel-four-swindle/“Most of the people on the programme are professional communicators who are more familiar with the chat show than the lab. Of course they give good interviews – it is what they do for a living.”
‘Channel 4 Now Ashamed of its Experts’http://www.desmogblog.com/channel-4-now-ashamed-of-its-experts“Even the Calgary Herald, the leading newspaper in the Canadian oil capital of Calgary, has said that Ball is “viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry rather than as a practicing scientist.” ”
Climate scientist ‘duped to deny global warming’http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031455,00.html“A Leading US climate scientist is considering legal action after he says he was duped into appearing in a Channel 4 documentary that claimed man-made global warming is a myth. Carl Wunsch, professor of physical oceanography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said the film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, was ‘grossly distorted’ and ‘as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two’.”
See today’s ‘Swindled: Carl Wunsch responds’, and March 9th ‘Swindled!’ at http://www.realclimate.org/ for the science.
Have to go for now.
I will try to find that book at the library. Books are expensive anymore!
ksgrm
Lindzen?
follow the money. The guy is a climatolist employed by the energy industry.
I give you instead Dr. Hansen. He is employed by NASA.
WS where did you get these percentages? I seem to remember seeing much lower but haven’t had time to search.
Dear J R,
I use to teach at the Navy’s Nuclear Power school. Out of every 100 sailors that joined the Navy in the sixties, only about 1 percent were qualified to be selected for Nuclear Power School.
Out of the 1% that were selected, only about 10% ever made it to graduation. In order to be an instructor you had to graduate in the top 10% of your class. (Am I going t fast for you, are you doing the math?)
Now I did two tours of duty as an instructor. During my second tour I was the Senior Instructor and the Senior Enlisted Advisor. I was in charge of 150 instructors, responsible for their qualification and discipline. I taught the Officers water chemistry and Reactor Controls (electronics).
Now I might be a lot of things, but you would be amazed, not only, at my ability to process technical information, but also, at my ability to teach it.
That being said, Al Gore wasn’t giving his little song and dance slide show 30 years ago. Thirty years ago the left was afraid of the coming ice age.
I still love ya, you make us all look good!
Hank
Hank,
I have a cousin who served on the Enterprise (I think, not sure of the ship) and was a Nukie (his own terms.) This would be in the early 1970s (72 maybe dont’ remember, I was busy playing baseball and being a stupid school kid.)
Did he go through your school or were there more than one?
This is just some quick research on global warming. I would suggest that if you can produce TWO Scientists who do NOT believe in man made global for every ONE that does believe it, then you must be taking roll call at Exxon.
Consensus……
http://www.pewclimate.org/global-warming-basics/
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/02/02/climate.change.report/index.html?eref=rss_space
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/03/science/earth/03climate.html?ex=1173934800&en=7081501840abb3d9&ei=5123&partner=BREITBART
Ninety percent…..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/global-warming-in-new-hampshire.html
Hard to tell, I taught in Idaho. My first tour was at A1W which was the Enterprise prototype. It was a perfect match for the Enterprise #3 engine room.
However, the Navy had 5 prototypes then and the prototype you went to school on didn’t mean you would go to that type of ship in the fleet.He could have gone to any of the five prototypes and still ended up on the Enterprise.
Hank
ksgrm,
“I think you can see from these two that there are two very real sides to this argument and those on both sides have great credentials.”
Both of those are BS.1) “In the 1970s, the fear was “global cooling.” ”
That was mostly from journalists, NOT scientists.http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm“1977: Scientific opinion tends to converge on global warming, not cooling, as the chief climate risk in next century.”
2) Lindzen has no credibility with climate scientists. He writes error-filled op-eds for the WSJ, not peer-reviewed science journals.
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/06/lindzen_in_wsj.php
Thank you WSC.
Even if manmade global warming is wrong, isnt it prudent to take care of the earth that sustains us? How can we pump billions of gallons of oil from under her crust and not expect to finally see an effect? That oil or coal took millions of years to form and we wont have it back anytime soon. Maybe the earth will warm, maybe it will cool, but if we take steps now to protect her our children will thank us. We can replant and regrow trees in rain forests but we wont soon replace the coal and oil we are taking from our planet. Maybe it will never make a difference, but maybe it will. If we could get to the place where we treat all living things with respect and that includes our earth, we may be happier.
Hey SOB!!
Check out this page at the site that produced the climate change video you’ve been pushing.http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/global_warming/
Damn dinosaurs. Not enough of them died. ;)
HankI did not question your intelligence or education.
I questioned your openess for ideas that conflict with your own dogma.
You bring no science to this debate. What science got it wrong about an ice age? Overall global warming may GIVE some folks an ice age. Global warming will throw all of the Earths weather systems into shuffle. That is why it is more properly called global climate change.
I think YOUR difficulty here is a percieved conflict with your faith. And honestly I don’t see it. Perhaps you can explain?
You brag about how quickly you can process technical information and yet complain that Gore’s film was too boring to watch. What’s up with that? I’m no scientist and it was fairly straight forward to me.
Did you see that part of the film where Gore told of breaking through the ice at the North pole in a submarine?You can’t have missed the Navy’s information that the ice sheet is thinning.
IF you watch the entire film you will see that addressing global warming proactively is a GOOD thing not just for the planet but for America. I cannot understand arguement against it. Silence I get. Resistance I don’t.
I wonder what part of the Polar region was pierced by the submarine? The Poles have been known to shift naturally and the location of Poles relative to chart maps would be different from decade to decade.
Hank sure glad to know there were instructors of your ilk in A school and I am extremely proud that my son was smart enough to get in. He spent his first 2 years in Orlando and his second 2 years in Idaho Falls. He served 6 years on the USS Sam Huston before taking an early out because of the havoc caused in the military by Prez Clinton. The Sam Huston was a fast attack with the torpedo tubes modified to hold human bodies. They carried the Navy Seal to the gulf in 91. The excellent training in the Navy gave him a real hand up when he hit the outside job market.
Thanks for your years of serving and here wishing nothing but good things for your son.
The problem, Aaron, is that we can’t just ‘drop’ our entire fossil fuel industry at the whim of a man who already made the claim that he created the Internet. I mean….really.
We can work towards gradual subsistence on alternative and renewable sources, but they are not here yet. We can’t do it yet.
Hank Price,
“Al Gore wasn’t giving his little song and dance slide show 30 years ago. Thirty years ago the left was afraid of the coming ice age.”
In 1968 (39 years ago) Gore took Professor Roger Revelle’s natural sciences class. Revelle’s data from Mauna Loa showed that humans were causing CO2 to rise.(BTW: CO2 is a greenhouse gas that causes WARMING).
In 1979 (28 years ago) Gore helped organize the first congressional hearing on global WARMING. He invited Revelle to be the lead-off witness.
You can read about it in Gore’s book ‘An Inconvenient Truth’, page 38, ‘A Scientific Hero, Roger Revelle’.
Hank Price… thank you for being a great example of the misinformation your side uses.
“at the whim of a man who already made the claim that he created the Internet. I mean….really.”
For Christ’s sake, GSher, that whole pile of BS has been refuted, debunked and analyzed to death.
He never said that he INVENTED THE INTERNET.
If you are going to slam Gore, at least come up with something fresh.
GSheridan,
“We can work towards gradual subsistence on alternative and renewable sources, but they are not here yet. We can’t do it yet.”
Using LESS fuel is our CHEAPEST solution — and we’ve got the technology to do it.http://www.oilendgame.com/
Instead, we continue building SUV’s with a 1950’s design and 13 mpg, and spend a trillion $’s on wars to try to keep foreign oil supplies “secure”.
Gore and the Internet – Snopes.com
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Here’s an interesting article by Dr. Revelle and his colleague Dr. Singer.
http://media.hoover.org/documents/0817939326_283.pdfIt appears that there was some issue that Dr. Revelle found some flaws in some sort of data presented to him.
It appears that Dr. Revelle was not a supporter of the data presented to him on Global Warming and stated so in a Cosmos article.
Interesting to read, might take a look.
Oops forgot to include the gist of Dr. Revelle’s comments in the Cosmos article:
Cosmos article,“What to Do About Greenhouse Warming:Look Before You Leap,” appeared in April 1991.3Our main conclusion was a simple message:“The scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time.”
Dear J R,
I believe your words in this thread were “challenges me” or “shakes my convictions”. I can assure you, Gore’s innane slide show did neither.
On numerous accasions you have mentioned my belief in creation merely to dismiss me as a nut that doesn’t need to be taken seriously.
In fact, you have used my faith in God as a reason to discredit my views on more subjects than creation or evolution. Sad. I think that is a very bigoted and lazy way to make a point in adult conversations.
You use the word dogma and assume that if one believes in the dogma of a specific church or religion that he is therefore unable to accept ’scientific facts’ that are contrary to the dogma. I would submt to you that science by its very nature is constantly changing and upgrading base on new tectnowlegies and discoveries.
The dogma of my religion is steady as a rock. And though I am aware of many ’scientific facts’ that are contrary to my beliefs, none that can’t be explained away by other ’scientific facts’!
Al Gore’s little slide show disturbs me because it isn’t very scientific. I found it full of anecdotal and unproveable assumptions. I think it was a political self-serving excercise in Chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling BS.
It did not shake my faith in any way.
Hank
Dear coosmos,
You’re welcome! Just doing my part!
Hank
Hey ksgrm,
The Sam Houston was a FBM, they converted it to a personel carrier mainly to transport seals and Marine recon.
Let me know if your son comes to town, I’ll buy him a beer and we’ll swap sea stories! You can be very proud of him, he didn’t have an easy job!
Hank
Your post has a defensive even angry air Hank. I am not attacking you.
You contradict yourself too often on this particular subject.
For instance?
“Al Gore’s little slide show disturbs me because it isn’t very scientific. I found it full of anecdotal and unproveable assumptions. I think it was a political self-serving excercise in Chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling BS.”
Well, isn’t that at odds with
Your post has a defensive even angry air Hank. I am not attacking you.
The reason I mention your faith is that you DO become angry and reactionary on this subject. I just guessed that it was something very deep that drove that. Faith was my guess. If it is something else what is it? Stocks? The fact that the issue of the environment is political and your side is usually opposite mine?
That’s silly. As the film points out, this is not a political issue. It is a moral issue. It is only political in that SOME are using politics to defend their “turf”. That “turg” being the status quo of an antiquated infrastructure and energy industry.
You contradict yourself too often on this particular subject.
For instance?
“Al Gore’s little slide show disturbs me because it isn’t very scientific. I found it full of anecdotal and unproveable assumptions. I think it was a political self-serving excercise in Chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling BS.”
Ok. NAME ONE!
AND, isn’t that at odds with”I couldn’t watch the whole thing at one sitting, it’s too boring”
Further? Gore’s slide show is only “politically self serving” if Gore returns to politics. At this time this does not seem to be the case.
More?The film DOES disturb. It SHOULD. But it is FAR from “chicken little sky is falling”.
We have the means to SOLVE the problem of climate change. I don’t wish to spoil the ending for ksgrm. But doing what is needed is win win.
republikhan,
“I wonder what part of the Polar region was pierced by the submarine?”
At a place the ice was about 3 feet or less thick — page 142 of Gore’s book, ‘An Inconvenient Truth’.Also page 22 of his 1992 book, ‘Earth in the Balance’.
Looks like it’ll be MUCH easier to do in a few years…
‘Arctic sea ice on the wane: Now what?’http://nasadaacs.eos.nasa.gov/articles/2006/2006_seaice.html
Revelle and “colleague”(sic) Singer? Read comment 222 at http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/05/al-gores-movie/
This is too much like Galileo all over again.
Scientists who dare speak out against the massive ‘global warming’ movement are receiving DEATH THREATS!
How far will the left go to see that its agenda forced down our throats?
This is getting scary.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml
Interesting reading on Dr. Lancaster’s post Cosmos.
What do you think about what was said here?
“Yet, even in the face of Gore’s blatant abuse of public office, the suit was, ultimately, settled. On 4/29/1994, Dr. Lancaster issued a statement in which he “fully and unequivocally” retracted his claims against Dr. Singer.”
The above was extracted from:http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/06/gores_grave_new_world.html
I don’t think anyone will know the real truth on this instance, but it is an interesting dog fight to view.
republikhan,
Since you believe that Singer is a credible climate scientist, you will enjoy reading these,
‘S. Fred Singer, Tobacco Smoke Denier’http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1478
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=S._Fred_Singer
Sticking your head in the sand and denying the scientific evidence of global warming is just ignorant. Maybe it’s man made, maybe it’s the natural cycle, maybe it’s a bit of both, but it is happening. The global ice caps are melting, that’s a fact. It will raise the sea levels, that is a fact.What does it hurt by TRYING to make a difference? How does it hurt to use less fossil fuels, develop more alternative energy sources, and do what we can to minimize pollution around the globe? What do we have to lose?What bugs me about the religious fanatics is that they don’t seem to care about what happens to the earth, many would like to see it all destroyed today, because that way they can go a “better place” for eternity…kinda like blowing yourself up so you can bang 72 virgins. That’s why religion is so dangerous to mankind’s survival…it’s that “pie in the sky” prize for dying that doesn’t exist.
Sorry Cosmos, I don’t much about Dr. Singer and if he has credibility as a scientist. I was arguing the point about the Cosmos article in which my last entry showed that Dr. Lancaster had to retract his accusations against Dr. Singer via a lawsuit.
I’ll take your word on the Singer Articles you referenced.
But those articles were not what we were discussing.
Dear J R,
Defensive? Angry? No, merely annoyed. Annoyed with someone that refuses to look at both sides of an issue and then claims that I’m afraid of my dogma being shaken.
I cannot remember the last time I was angry with anyone. Defensive, maybe. I very seldom mention my faith or religion on this thread. When I do mention that I am a creationist it is merely to honestly let people know where I am coming from.
But, if I don’t beat people over the head with my religion, that doesn’t mean that I will sit by and forever let someone use my faith to belittle me. You have done that on many occasions J R. I’m not angry, just a little disapointed that you think that it is a credible argument for your side.
One example, you only want one of Al Gore’s unprovable, anecdotal assumptions? OK. Let’s talk about his rediculous Katrina references. There is no scientific evidence that global warming is responsible for Katrina and his using it as an example of what we are to face in the future because of global warming was a cheap, political, hysterical, unprovable, anecdotal bunch of Chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling BS.
Hank
GSheridan,
“Scientists who dare speak out against the massive ‘global warming’ movement are receiving DEATH THREATS!”
Your proof that the alleged threats are real?
And I 100% agree with http://www.desmogblog.com/tim-ball-death-threats“For the record, The DeSmogBlog hopes that no harm comes to Tim Ball, now or in the warm future. The longer he lives, the more evidence of anthropogenic climate change he is forced to witness, the more complete will be his humiliation.”
‘Timothy F. Ball (Tim Ball), Inflates credentials’http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1272http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tim_Ballhttp://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=1164
“There is no scientific evidence that global warming is responsible for Katrina”
Actually, Hank, many scientists feel that global warming is responsible for a number of unusual weather patterns, including storms, snow, ice conditions, etc.
For example……
As I have noted before, it is felt that the heavy snow in the North East this winter was due to global warming.
More snow due to global warming?
Yes, the Great Lakes did not freeze over as quickly and completely as normal, resulting in more “lake effect snow.” When the lakes are frozen over, the cloud cover cannot pick up moisture from the lakes and then dump in on the landmass.
Global warming – more lake effect snow.
MaryC, what a blanket inditement.
“What bugs me about the religious fanatics is that they don’t seem to care about what happens to the earth, many would like to see it all destroyed today, because that way they can go a “better place” for eternity…”
I do plan to go to heaven but am in no rush. I take very good care of my little corner of the earth. Why is it all or nothing for the far left.
I know we share some views. We are both prolife I believe. Because I believe I have a father in heaven shouldn’t bother you. Just accept that you think I am delusional on that score and move on past it.
It is this kind of hateful talk that loses you credibility in most arguments.
Hank?
That’s the BEST you can do? Gore mentioned Katrina?
Well it WAS topical was it not? The documentary presents evidence that global warming will warm the seas. It is warm water that strengthens hurricanes. You must know that. When you want to get attention you use examples.Katrina was very relevant.
I just saw the movie again last night. I do not remember Gore specifically BLAMING global warming for Katrina. Because he didn’t. He just used it …as you say…as an example of what global climate change may bring.
I’m sorry but you don’t bring a very good example. How about another?
I trust the scientists more than the naysayers who have no background to sustanstiate their belief that it’s all BS. If God “helps those who help themselves”, then we damn better be paying attention to the experts.
Ksgrm, I said “relgious fanatics”, is that what you consider yourself?It wasn’t meant to be a blanket condemnation for all religion.There are extremists in every belief system.
Mary
I sorta did the same thing myself so I feel like an idiot.Fact is? A LOT of Christians are waking up to their responsibility to be good stewards to the Earth. It is probably unfair to paint them all with a broad brush.
The reason I mentioned it with Hank is that I was GUESSING it was his faith that moved him on this subject.
I’m still not sure what moves him.
Maybe it would help to ask a question.
Hank do you say there is no global warming AT ALL? Do you see it as natural?
I would better understand where you start on this issue.
Mary there are several frequently misquoted sayings from the bible and I think that is one of them.
“God helps those who help themselves” It is always referenced to be in Hezakiah and there is no such book in the bible.
Some others frequently misquoted;
Money is the root of all evil. It should be “The love of money is the root of all evil”
Do unto others as they do unto you:”Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”
And last by not least:
Every mother’s favorite:Cleanliness is next to Godliness.
Just tried for a little humor to lighten the mood;
Actually Mary most Christians I know are very environmentally correct. I have cleaned the ditches in our neighborhood, around the lakes and streams, and many public beaches. From some of the things I picked up I can only make the assumption it wasn’t a Christian radical that left them there.
republikhan,
Singer wrote almost ALL of that article… and you don’t CARE about Singer’s “credibility as a scientist”? WTH?
And are you unable to do simple research? Lancaster couldn’t afford to continue with the lawsuit.
I wish more Christians were like you, Ksgrm. Some just seem to care about where they’re going after they die and they lose focus as to what’s important here on earth.
Just a LITTLE spoiler for ya ksgrm.
The very last thing the film says is “Pray”
“And in the words of the old African prayer, WHEN you pray, move your feet.”
I found that stirring. Maybe you will too.
Good thought,JR. We should pray that we deliver us from ourselves.
I’ll look forward to that JR. Now I am leaving to play Wii bowling with my husband. If you haven’t seen one of the these games – check it out. We have had a blast playing with it and get a physical workout with the boxing and bowling. We compared the cost to a health club membership and conned ourselves into thinking we were justified.
The only problem is when I kids and grandkids come over and hog it. Maybe we’re to possessive.
Which one of these reich-wingers would you miss the most if they left?
I’m thinking: Hank.
He’s totally wrong about everything, but he has such a joy of life.
Global warming is no sweat. 2 billion a week in Iraq is pocket change. GWB didn’t lie about WMD’s because W. actually BELIEVED it. Death and destruction in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina was the fault of Negroes . . . or Democrats . . . or Democratic Negroes–get rid of “those people” and you get rid of the problem.
Meanwhile, who wants to see my bearded collies herd sheep? Or fire my gigantic handgun? Or ride my horses? Or fire my handgun while riding horses as my dogs herd sheep?
Nay, my good lords; banish GSheridan, banish JM-Khan, banish Fleetwood: but for sweet Hank Falstaff, kind Hank Falstaff, true Hank Falstaff, valiant Hank Falstaff, and therefore more valiant, being, as he is, old Hank Falstaff, banish not himthy WEBLog’s company: banish plump Hank, and banish all the world.
And are you unable to do simple research? Lancaster couldn’t afford to continue with the lawsuit.
Posted by: cosmos | March 12, 2007 at 08:49 PM
Well Cosmos, that what the Lawsuit was about. That is, Dr. Lancaster’s assertion that Singer was the soul author of the article and that Revelle’s comments were not his.
Guess what? Dr. Lancaster lost the lawsuit and was obligated by law to retract his statement.
His inability to pay is a moot point. Dr. Lancaster retracted his statement about Singer.
Now if you want to call Dr. Singer a liar then by all means do so. I’m not going to dispute the facts of the lawsuit.
Whether Dr. Singer did bad science later is irrelevant to a case already settled.
Admit it, you lost on this point.
BTW, it doesn’t make any difference as Revelle is dead and Singer has long since been hounded and taken down.
So, if you are looking for a winner, yeah GW enthusiasts took the low road to a victory. I can’t say it was a moral victory though, more like destroying the career of man who spent a lifetime doing science. That my friend is tragedy and shouldn’t be a trademark method of action of the Climate Change people.
Global warming is scientific consensus.
It’s a lot bigger than two feuding scientists.
A good example of “containing the debate.”
Get the ignorant masses arguing about two personalities instead of the tens of thousands of climate scientists and geologists who have looked at the data and said, “we’re so f*cked.”
Is it just me . . . or does it seem like there’s less activity on the WEBlog than usual?
republikhan,
“…yeah GW enthusiasts took the low road to a victory.”
Nope! Human-caused GW is based on sound science, not expensive lawsuits — and it has taken the high road.
The “low road” is people like JM, who posted that an international CO2 re-calibration adjustment of 0.16 ppm made Mauna Loa’s 60 ppm rise sloppy, and a reason it should be ignored.
And, Singer has been doing “bad science” since at least 1990, BEFORE the article came out.http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
Cosmos,
What I meant by the low road is the taking down of Scientists like Singer. So what if he had a dissenting view? It is not the proper thing to do in the field of science.
If you think that is not bad, then wait till it happens to someone in the GW community. Not to say it will happen, but if it does never say that I didn’t tell you it is a bad thing.
“So what if he had a dissenting view?”
The Bush Administration has SILENCED scientists that had differing views than the admin, noy just on golbal warming but on AIDS, sex education, etc.
I’d miss Hank too. At least he tries to stay on topic. And I really don’t dislike the guy, I just dislike his views.
I don’t know where VT stands, if he leans more left or right, he seems to be fairly center to me. I’d miss him. Of course I like all the lefties because they support my views.
But really, aside from the trolls and troublemakers, the debate is worthy of both sides.
Oh and Kia, I like Kia too.
But I do not agree with his views.
Well, if we are discussing who we would miss, I would most definitely miss RM if he were to wander off.
He is more of a moderate than anything else, but he definitely leans Right. He is a good man and just about the only middle or right poster than will defend someone on the Left.
Right, I respect RM too.
He’s got integrity . . . he’s not win-at-all-costs like Heckler and most of the rest of them . . .
republikhan,
Please tell us WHY you believe Singer is a credible “scientist”.
‘S. Fred Singer, Tobacco Smoke Denier’http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1478“A 1989 Philip Morris memo stated that Seitz was: “quite elderly and not sufficiently rational to offer advice.” However, 9 years later, it seems that he was “sufficiently rational” to lead the charge on Robinson’s Oregon Petition. It also seems that Seitz is still “sufficiently rational” to sit as the Chair of notorious climate change denier, Fred Singer’s, Science and Environmental Policy Project.”
So, who would you miss the least?
(Damn, this ought to get the traffic on the blog back up!)
Thank you Mom. :)
The country wouldn’t be any fun if we all agreed now would it?
Hmm! NYT doing a hit peace on Pastor Gore.
Saying that his claims are exaggerated and oversold.
Nah! Just had the wrong front man.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13gore.html?pagewanted=print
Fleets Enema, Golf, Khan, Chris from Mactown.
JM-RepubliKhan, no question about it.
Especially since it turns out he was the original troll around here, the infamous Steve.
True Kia, but you should agree with me. :D
Whoa!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638
Right back to you. ;-)
Are any of you familiar with this guy?
http://www.jeremystaat.com
His brother in law is a good friend of mine. We had his send off party Saturday. A good time was had by all.
Fleet, I can’t really take seriously.
I mean, he’s sooo damn dumb.
The sheer ignorance of his posts brings tears to the eyes of someone who longs to believe in the innate goodness of all humankind.
GolfPutz is truly annoying with that snotty, superior attitude of his.
And Chris from MacTown! Holy mackeral, is the man a total tool or what?
“He (Gore)clearly has supporters among leading scientists, who commend his popularizations and call his science basically sound”
Sorry, Joe, but if that is a hit piece, then the Hitman needs to give the money back.
I would not miss any of the hardcore right wingers if I could get off a clean shot!
(Before you wingnuts start screaming – that was a joke.)
If I could invite just one wingnut to leave, it would be Golf Nut.
He never adds anything to the discourse, he just stalks and criticizes, but the worst of it is his phoney superior attitude.
Homer Arafat with bad breath – damn, that still cracks me up.
Hank Price,
“Let’s talk about his rediculous Katrina references. There is no scientific evidence that global warming is responsible for Katrina and his using it as an example of what we are to face in the future because of global warming was a cheap, political, hysterical, unprovable, anecdotal bunch of Chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling BS.
Al Gore’s ‘An Inconvenient Truth’, page 92,”On July 31, 2005, less than a month before Hurricane Katrina hit the United States, a major study from MIT supported the scientific consensus that global warming is making hurricanes more powerful and more destuctive.”
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2005/hurricanes.html“July 31, 2005Hurricanes have grown significantly more powerful and destructive over the last three decades due in part to global warming, says an MIT professor who warns that this trend could continue.”
Dear Hank. What DO forecasters say will happen, when a hurricane moves over WARMER water? What will happen when the oceans get warmer?
Please tell us WHY you believe Singer is a credible “scientist”.Posted by: cosmos | March 12, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Cosmos, pay attention, I will repeat this for the third time in a different manner.
I do not give a rat’s ass about Singer. I could care less if you think he is the worst scientist or even if you think he is a joke of scientist. Maybe he is,
I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THE CAREER OR WORKS OF DR. SINGER.
Clear enough?
What we were discussing was the legal case where one scientist was trying to discredit Singer and that scientist lost the case and to take back his words.
Understand now?
Super storms on Venus and super storms on Jupiter.There no reason that earth would be left out of the fun, yet.
Interesting movie Mr. Williams. I don’t have time right now to watch all of it though.
What I thought was interesting was that the Co-Founder of GreenPeace took a swat at the GW people.
That surprised me.
I am building a boat with snow tracks, air-conditioner and heater, up for sale when I am done with it.Make a great second car for the family outings or for car-pooling to work.Anybody interested?
I just got through watching that documentary.
You know! The whole Global Warming debate, although I believed we were warming I was skeptical about the whole man made thing, but just didn’t really know. Especially since the man made theory is being pushed by the left, and it’s very difficult to believe them.
But after watching it, I’m convience. Man-made global warming isn’t real.
I hope to get Ben Huie’s perspective and critique of this documentary. He is the only leftist that regularly post on this blog that actually has a brain and is open minded.
Joe, what are you (and the other GW deniers) going to do IF it is proven that global warming is a threat and it IS man-made, but it is too late to do anything about it?
The time is now to address the GW issue. It is already projected that our emmissions are going to increase by 20% by 2020.
We are rapidly running out of time to do something about global warming.
I don’t know about you, but I have young grandchildren that will mostly likely live another 100 years – I would like to be able to leave them a planet to live on.
Just finished the movie that Mr. Williams supplied the link.
Was an interesting movie in all and fairly well documented.
I’m sure we’ll hear from the GW people on the matter.
My thoughts on climate change is yes it is happening, and that is has always happened before there were men.
I don’t think there is little that men can do to change it nor at this moment can predict it to any degree of accuracy.