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Just how demented IS the far-left spectrum of America, and how concerned should we be that within their ranks lurks this kind of warped mindset….?
[quote]“Readers of the Huffington Post, a popular blog run by pundit Arianna Huffington, responded to an Associated Press account of the attack with at least a dozen pages of vitriol before the thread of posts was shut down……………
…..Comments posted to the site include:
* Better luck next time! (TDB)
* Dr Evil escapes again … damn. (truthtopower01)
* So Cheney is personally responsible for the deaths of 14 innocent people … and then he waddles off to lunch!! What a piece of sh–! (fantanfanny)
* Jesus Christ and General Jackson too, can’t the Taliban do anything right? They must know we would be so gratefull (sic) to them for such a remarkable achievement. (hankster2)
* Hey, Thalia, lighten up. I, for one, don’t wish Cheny (sic) had been killed. I wish he had been horribly maimed and had to spend the rest of his life hooked to a respirator. Feel better now? (raisarooney)
* Let’s see … they’re killing him over there so we don’t have to kill him over here? (ncjohn)
* And they missed!? Oh, Hell. Like Mamma used to say, I guess it’s the thought that counts … (Anachro1)
* You can never find a competent suicide bomber when you need one. (Mark701)
[end quote]
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54459#
Makes me wonder if we here at the little, ol’ WE Blog have such subversive characters within our midst.
There are a handful here that I could think of who these comments sound an awfully lot like.
Anyone brave enough to admit they post on Huffington?
Anyone brave enough (or stupid enough) to admit their own mind has sunk this low?
Be careful – you never know when Big Brother is watching.
lol
SPEAKING OF LOW……….Our resident lier is still here.You know what Tippy?If you’re all into wanting to know who people are on this blog, then why don’t YOU post under your own name?Others here do because they are not lying, hiding from anyone, or posting slander and libel.Us blograts with real names are not ashamed of who we are and what we write.
The stuff you post is merely graffitti and/or vandalism.You know, the kind of nasty stuff written on subway walls anonymously.It’s ALWAYS vitriolic, and generally void of substance except for lies about decent people who are not anonymous.
That being said, I don’t read the spray painted graffitti/vandalism.
Is that the best you can do, Tracy-LEW?
What, by the way, is YOUR full name?
Am I to believe ksfarmgrrl is using HER real name? How about CF? JR? Politicalmom? Are those ALL their REAL names?
Why don’t you address the POST instead of slinging mud all the time?
Are you that insecure in your political position?
I guess so.
…shrug…
Ariana Huffington’s reply:
On Tuesday morning, The Huffington Post linked to an AP news story on the suicide bombing at the gates of the main American base in Afghanistan during a visit by Vice President Dick Cheney.
A miniscule portion of the people who read that story chose to take advantage of the anonymous, open forum nature of comments in our news section to express regret that the Vice President hadn’t been killed in the attack.
As soon as these offensive comments came to our attention, they were deleted from the site. But that didn’t stop the right-wing hit machine from seizing on the anonymous comments in an effort to prove that “Democrats and liberals” (as Rush, able to divine party affiliation and political philosophy from a username, quickly labeled the commenters) “have a hatred and a disgust for Cheney…that cannot be explained.”
Before I get into how ludicrous this claim is, let me be absolutely clear: No one at HuffPost is defending these comments — they are unacceptable and were treated as such by being removed. They were not made by me, by our editors, or by our bloggers. They were made by anonymous visitors to the site — visitors that make up a very, very small unrepresentative portion of our readers.
Trying to balance the freedom and openness of the Internet with the desire to be responsible and avoid these kinds of outrageous comments can sometimes be challenging. But the fact remains: only a fraction of Huffington Post readers comment on news stories, and only a tiny fraction of those responded to the Cheney story in such an offensive manner.
But that’s not how the crew of the U.S.S. Swiftboat tried to spin it. For Rush et al, this was incontrovertible proof of what Dean Barnett on Hugh Hewitt’s blog called “the fury, bile and idiocy of the sub-moronic left” and further proof, according to Michael Goldfarb at the Weekly Standard, that the Democratic base consists of “people who would celebrate a successful attack on the life of the vice president.”
Besides being an utter and total crock, this is also the height of intellectual laziness. As Glenn Greenwald put it in his brilliant analysis: “Stray, anonymous comments prove nothing. And those who rely on them to make an argument — especially without bothering to make any effort to prove that they are reflective of anything — should be presumed to have no argument at all. That is why they are relying upon such transparently flimsy and misleading methods to make a point.”
This tactic of digging through open comment threads to find outrageous comments that can then be cited as evidence of “the angry left” has become a favorite of the swiftboat set. So much so that Kevin Drum has created Kevin’s Law in reaction to it: “If you’re forced to rely on random blog commenters to make a point about the prevalence of some form or another of disagreeable behavior, you’ve pretty much made exactly the opposite point… If the best evidence of wackjobism you can find is a few anonymous nutballs commenting on a blog, then the particular brand of wackjobism you’re complaining about must not be very widespread after all.” [via Greenwald]
Harsh — and frequently hateful — Internet rhetoric hidden behind the cloak of anonymity is not confined to politics, let alone one side of the political spectrum. Some 10-year old girl posts a video of herself on YouTube singing her favorite song. Inevitably, one of the first comments posted will be, “You suck. You can’t sing worth a shit — and you’re ugly. Go ahead and kill yourself. NOW.” Are we to assume that all YouTube users hate kids? Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michelle Malkin and company know that this kind of reasoning is blatantly false and pathetic. Which is what makes their fake high-dudgeon all the more manipulative. And disgusting. And beyond hypocritical.
There was Limbaugh on Tuesday morning, reading some of the more offensive comments on the air, pretending to be suitably outraged, and declaring: “How is it that you explain visceral, literal hatred for somebody you don’t know? It’s one thing to disagree with somebody’s policies, but this is crossing a new line… It is sick, and it resides exclusively on the left.”
Exclusively on the left? He can’t be serious. There are endless examples to disprove this, including the comments that appeared on Little Green Footballs (a site Rush has glowingly praised) after a UN outpost in Lebanon was blown up by an errant Israeli missile: “Too bad Kofi wasn’t there too,” “I’d be laughing my ass off if somebody launched one right in Kofi’s office while he was groping his secretary,” “4 less UN terrorist collaborators. Good Job IDF,” “Maybe a couple more UN observation posts getting blown to hell would be appropriate.”
Does this prove “the fury, bile and idiocy of the sub-moronic left right”? Of course not. But it does prove how wrong Rush was. And how phony was his outrage.
Same with Hannity. He led off his show Tuesday night with this non-story, his knickers in a twist over the very idea that some people had anonymously expressed regret that Cheney had escaped unharmed. He’d clearly never heard such things said before!
Trouble is, this was the same Sean Hannity who just the night before had been joyously joined by his good friend, the infamously toxic Ann Coulter. The same woman who said “We need somebody to put rat poison in Justice Steven’s crème brulee,” questioned whether it was more appropriate “to impeach or assassinate” Bill Clinton, suggested New York Times staffers be “executed,” and titled a column on Lincoln Chafee, “They Shot the Wrong Lincoln.” And she did so proudly, openly, and in her own name — not in an anonymous comment.
So, please, spare us the bogus indignation. And stop trying to build an illogical but politically-convenient thesis on the backs of a few unhinged and clearly fringe commenters.
The faux fury routine is getting very, very old.
come on gsheridan I remenber when the far right were selling video tapes claiming the Clintons were having coke parties with under age hookers. The wingers would even have screenings at churches gasp anyone want to admit to watching that?How will America survive with all these traitors, sedition and subversion? Ohhh my!Looks like a down day on the market!!!!!!!!
Faux fury routine, indeed.
Huffington hosts fanatics.
Sure, she wanted to erase the posts before they became public – but that doesn’t remove the fact that there ARE leftist-fanatics out there with some VERY DANGEROUS ideas.
It would have been more upstanding had Huffington LEFT the comments on the blog and denounced them.
Erasing them smacks of a hidden agenda.
hmmmmm…..
no, morg., I don’t remember that, but if it’s true – it’s shameful.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-16607537.html
Falwell challenged on anti-Clinton tapes. (Jerry Falwell)From: The Christian Century | Date: 2/15/1995Print Digg del.icio.usEvangelist Tony Campolo, a supporter of President Clinton, has demanded time on Jerry Falwell’s Old Time Gospel Hour to rebut accusations about Clinton’s personal and political behavior made in a video Falwell is selling on his religious broadcast. “You have challenged the president of the United States to respond to the charges and issues raised in the video,” Campolo, a Philadelphiabased Baptist minister and professor at Eastern College in St. Davids, Pennsylvania, said in a january 23 letter to Falwell.”as his [Clinton's] personal friend I am asking you to allow me time on your TV show to respond to these charges.”
Mark DeMoss, a Falwell spokesman, indicated that Falwell would reject the request and said “Campolo should take issue with the people who made the video, who appear in the video-not with Falwell, who is only one of dozens of people distributing the video.”
Campolo, well-known preacher in evangelical and mainline Protestant circles, is especially popular among youth groups. He developed a leadership program for poor urban teenagers that Clinton praised in his 1994 State of the Union speech. Fallwell best known as founder of the now-defunct Moral Majority and as a television preacher, is a harsh critic of the president’s personal morality and political policies—–
Jerry Foulsmell?
Say no more.
Hey GS! Speaking of inflammatory posting; have you come up with any evidence to support your allegations about TRACY comitting fraud?
And, speaking if such posts we have also seen those from the right calling for ‘lefties’ to be killed. And we have Ann Coulter complaining because her hero McVeigh didn’t blow up the NYTimes.
GSheridan–
I do not support the comments you posted above although I’m probably about as “far left” as it’s possible to be here in the land of CONservative propaganda 24-7.
I suspected that a lot of Bush-Cheney bashers would respond this way.
And what’s my excuse? Why the same thing you reich-wing nuts always say when Rush Ann O’Hannity get outed saying something sexist, racist, hateful:
“it was a joke.”
Why don’t you right-wingers have a sense of humor?
Nobody wants to see Cheney dead . . . we’re just kidding!
Yeah, ha ha.
See how funny it is when WE do it?
Hey outlander, you were right all along . . . when Rush said that young blacks were all taken care of by government (on welfare), I see now how that was really hiLARious.
Woo hoo! Funny stuff . . .
“One of the factors that influenced Toyota’s recent decision to locate a new plant in Canada rather than the American South was workforce competency. It’s hard to fault that decision in light of the latest results on Georgia’s End-of-Course Tests; about a third of Georgia high school students who took the exams in algebra, geometry, physical science and economics failed, says the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (AJC).
The scores, released two weeks ago by the state Department of Education, spotlight weaknesses in Georgia education that have far-reaching consequences. Increasingly, jobs require strong science and math skills, and Georgia students without those skills will be at a disadvantage for both college and jobs.
“We are losing our future scientists and engineers around the junior high school level,” William R. Brody, president of Johns Hopkins University, warned Congress last month.
In the fourth grade, U.S. students score above the international average in math and near first in science.At eighth grade, they score below average in math, and only slightly above average in science.By 12th grade, U.S. students are near the bottom of a 49-country survey in both math and science, outscoring only Cyprus and South Africa.Less than 15 percent of U.S. students have the prerequisites even to pursue scientific or technical degrees in college.”
CapnCrunch – if it was a joke – why was Huffington so quick in trying to destroy the evidence?
Could it be that she KNEW dangerous radicals posted on her site? You can bet some pretty focused attention will be on those posters after this.
And well it should be. With the events currently happening in the world, we can’t allow any rock to be unturned when ferreting out subversives.
Can we?
GS whoever you are….You have a reading problem as well a a lying slander and libel problem.You ask why I did not address your “post”.I answered that before you asked it you verifiable liar.And you are some dim-witted bully/victim too.My name IS my email.twit.
“Hey GS! Speaking of inflammatory posting; have you come up with any evidence to support your allegations about TRACY comitting fraud?”
lying weirdo
Tippy~~The stuff you post is merely graffitti and/or vandalism.You know, the kind of nasty stuff written on subway walls anonymously.
anonymous – your post proves, once again, that our government indoctrination camps (public schools) are an abject failure.
Parents need to take back their children’s education from the liberal mind washers they call teachers.
No anon its socialized healthcare. Work the numbers. Education is the excuse. It doesn’t take a Phd to bolt together cars or airplanes ect. nice try though.
Thanks for trolling my post, TRACY.
It was a joke, GS, but it was a nasty joke.
Liberals don’t relish their nastiness like you people do.
That’s why it was taken down.
As for “subversive,” I can’t think of anything that has hurt our country more than spending 2 billion a week and losing 3200 Americans in a war that is just now FOUR YEARS long with no end in sight . . .
“Subversive traitor” is a term that fits this administration well . . . except, you know, I’m just KIDDING!
Ha ha.
GS–
Tracy is someone who has been attacked by trolls and spent more time fighting troll-ism than probably anybody on the BLOG.
Whoever trolled you, it wasn’t he.
Capn – I still say Adrianna could have denounced the posts – banned the posters, and ended up smelling like a rose.
But as it is, she tried to erase the ‘joke.’
It would have been better, had she just distanced herself from their posts. IMHO
dow down 206 pts.
What a whiney bunch of wastoids you have here on this blog.
Support our troops . . . just don’t let them talk to the media about horrible housing conditions:
NEW YORK A report today that soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center are being told not to speak with the press is apparently just the latest move in a recent effort to tighten restrictions on journalists’ access to many military facilities, according to the president of Military Reporters and Editors.
James Crawley, a military reporter with MediaGeneral and MRE president, said today’s revelation by Army Times that Walter Reed patients had been barred from speaking with reporters is not the first case of tightened restrictions. In recent months, he says several MRE members have reported similar crackdowns. What’s worse, many of the denials are apparently in reaction to the potential negativity of a planned story.
“It is starting to look like it is becoming a policy in some areas where they are not allowing reporters on the base unless it is an absolutely positively good news story,” said Crawley. “The military is making it harder and harder to do stories on bases, as far as doing man on the street interviews.”
A Pentagon spokesman contacted by E&P had no immediate comment.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003551716
Just keep spinning that “good” economic news nutz. And in case you cant read, the original article came from REUTERS, I just picked it up off of the yahoo line. Heheheh.It said so at the top, but then, anyone who thinks this economy is just fine obviously cant read.
Bush apologists are desperately spinning the INTERNATIONAL financial market melt down with their usual “nothing to see here move along” approach.
Say, how’d that work for iraq?
More GOOD news for nutz. heheheh Here is the title and the link. But…it isnt from that renowned business news source, FUX news. heheheh Ya knw, that is where nutz article is from.
“Economic growth revised down in 4th quarter (Even worse than expected)”http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17379310 /
Another excellent of “free” speech only when it supports the Worst President Ever.
Yup, Stalin believed in free speech when it supported him too . . .
Yeah morq, that famous rebound nutz talked about was .43 as stated in my article. I think that is technically called a “dead cat bounce”. The Dow rebounded 50 pts after losing 400+.
And everything opened down today too.
As a business owner, I am not looking forward to another republican recession or a downturn in the economy.
But taking the usual conservative head in the sand, everything is fine, bush is at the helm, approach is no way to fix the problems this misadministration has created.
But, dontcha know, the righties here will say it’s all Bill Clinton’s fault….
Thanks for trolling my post, TRACY.
Posted by: GSheridan | March 01, 2007 at 08:22 AM
Tippy’s LIES about me are stacking up so fast, I can’t even keep track.Damned graffiti anyway.
Capn, you are correct.I am not, and will not ever be a troll.Why would I?I post common sense stuff that I have no need to be ashamed of.Unlike Tippy, GS, Glyn, Ms. Mysterious, etc.
As far as the others being anonymous, they are not.I know most eveyrone’s real name.They trusted me enough to share.
I’m sure that that will not hold true for you, graffitti queen.
farmie – you’re the first one on this thread to bring up Clinton.
Anon and gsheridan bring up an interesting point. You distrust the government to educate your children. Yet you trust the government to invade and occupy and a hostile country with your children. Why?
Here is a little test that will help you decide.
You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two smallchildren.
Suddenly, a terrorist with a huge knife comes around the Corner,
locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges at you.
You are carrying a Glock 40 cal, and you are an expert shot.
You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
What do you do?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Democrat’s Answer:Well, that’s not enough information to answer the question!Does the man look poor! Or oppressed?Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?Could we run away?
What does my wife think? What about the kids?Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knifeout of His Hand?What does the law say about this situation?
Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kindOf message does this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he’d be happy with just killing me?Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be contentjust to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could myFamily get away while he was stabbing me?
Should I call 9-1-1 ?Why is this street so deserted?We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day andmake this a happier, healthier street that would discouragesuch behavior.
This is all so confusing!I need to discuss this with some friends over a latte and try tocome to a consensus.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Republican’s Answer:BANG!
.morg! I’ll give you an answer to your question.
It is the Constitutional duty of the government to protect us from enemies, both foriegn and domestic.
It is not the Constitutional duty of the government to educate your children.
But they phucked both of them up. So not much the government does right. ;)
Yeah, Joe.
You’re a product of public ejukation and look how you turned out.
Good point.
“Suddenly, a terrorist with a huge knife comes around the Corner,
locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges at you.”
You are carrying a Glock 40 cal, and you are an expert shot.
You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
What do you do?
I would fumble unbuttoning my coat drop the gun as it comes out of the holster and blow my left nut off.Doesn’t everybody carry an uzi in Isreal how’s that working out.
From GSheridan 7:23 a.m. post: Sure, she wanted to erase the posts before they became public – but that doesn’t remove the fact that there ARE leftist-fanatics out there with some VERY DANGEROUS ideas.—————
GS, I think our current administration (including VP Cheney) are fanatics with some VERY DANGEROUS ideas. I’m not at all afraid to state my opinion of these very evil and dangerous people under my real and full name.
Linda Murphy
TRACY – still trolling me?
Don’t you ever get tired of that?
Linda – I don’t think it’s wise to post your full name. I know you think you are standing behind your beliefs, but there are those here who could exploit that information.
My personal belief is that the folks who advocate an assassination of a President or VP have crossed the line into a dark and dangerous area, reminiscent of the former SLA. I’m sure you remember their tactics.
Or maybe it was right wingers who wanted to make the left look bad?
I don’t want any American to die. I might want them tried in court and jailed. But Cheney does get to scoot on out of there while the American men and women have to put themselves in harms way daily. They’re dying for the country. And maybe this will wake Cheney up on what he asks them to do.
PM – it’s easy enough to determine if these were regular posters – or sudden add-ons who made the subversive comments. Just check out the names.
I don’t think this will be any sort of wake-up call for Cheney – we don’t really want our elected leaders to change positions based upon threatening posts on blogs, do we?
But it might make the Feds take a closer look at the nature of blogs.
Who knows?
GS – do you even know what a troll is? Because from your accusations it doesn’t seem like it… Funny, I bet if anyone posted comments like the ones you brought up on the WE blog, you’d be one of the first ones running to the moderator demanding they be removed – but when another site does suddenly it’s “suspect”??? I am sure that the Huffington Post thought they were being respectful by taking the posts down after recieved complaints about them, not trying to cover it up – seeing as how they issued a statement regarding the situation and all… Yep, that sounds like a cover up to me… Oh but the conservatives would NEVER say anything like that – never mind all the bloggers on here call Clark a Traitor and telling him he should be hung – or is that not the same thing???? Funny how it always is wrong when the percieved “left” does it, but NEVER when the right does… Does your hypocrisy never get wearing to continue? Cause I have to tell you, it sure gets wearing to listen to…
“But it might make the Feds take a closer look at the nature of blogs.
Who knows?”
Is it time to think about camps for dissenters, radicals, seditionists, atheists and liberals?
Tracy<–never a trollerGSher<–meaninglessWendy<–Political_Mom
No GS, I meant nearly having his head blown off might change his mind, not bloggers.
GSheridan,In your 7:08 post you say”Is that the best you can do, Tracy-LEW?
What, by the way, is YOUR full name?
Am I to believe ksfarmgrrl is using HER real name? How about CF? JR? Politicalmom? Are those ALL their REAL names?”
but in your 9:10 post in response to Linda’s 9:05 post you say”Linda – I don’t think it’s wise to post your full name. I know you think you are standing behind your beliefs, but there are those here who could exploit that information”
So which version is it? Are we to post under our real names or initials (in the case of CF and JR) or under a nom de plume like Kansasfarmgrrl, Political Mom or even KSGolfNuts?
And for your information (if you care) I post under my real first name.
Yeah troll police, I”m Wendy. Man you’ve caught me and got it all figured out.
TRACY – still trolling me?
Don’t you ever get tired of that?
Posted by: GSheridan | March 01, 2007 at 09:07 AM
I never troll.Don’t you EVER get tired of lying about me?I know I’m important to you, but a normal discourse would be fine.Why don’t you quit being so stew-pud?All ya’ hafta’ do is email one of the WE ed’s.They can tell you for sure that I do not troll and/or name change.But why would a verifiable LIAR bother with looking for FACTS?
Sure – we are the same person, seeing as how I live here in Wichita, and I know PMom doesn’t… but sure, if it makes you feel better to play that game than to believe that there are more intelligent women out there than you feel comfortable with – I could point out several other MAJOR differences, but that would take time I would rather not spend. Let me know if you want me to clarify for you though – and for the record, I post under my REAL first name as well…. How about you???? What are you afraid of???
Wendy – Sorry, I’ve never tattled on anyone in my life – and I’m not going to start now. I couldn’t care less what anyone believes. You may believe in censorship – but I don’t. You must have me confused with one of the resident trolls here.
There really is NO defending the comments that were posted on Huffington’s board.
Advocating the death of a President, or VP is MORE than just blowing off steam – it is an incentive to radicalism and is in direct opposition to our Constitution.
These are ELECTED persons, they represent all of us. Anyone who thinks it is okay to promote their demise – is promoting the demise of our Constitutional rights.
Hi polmom.Remember when you admonished me for wanting a coal plant in my area?Well, I’m starting to see the light!Is it okay if I change my stance on this position?I hope so, because I have.
Julie – read the post before that. I was responding to TRACY’s post advocating that we use our REAL names.
It’s called irony. I never advocated learning ANYONE’s name. I don’t want to know names. I don’t want to know you folks.
Be VERY suspicious of anyone who does.
This is a guy I’d like to see able to make a shuttle flight.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/breaking_news/16809711.htm
Hawking to make zero gravity flightAssociated PressCAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. – Renowned theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking, who authored the best-selling book, “A Brief History of Time,” soon will experience a brief history with weightlessness.
Hawking, who uses a wheelchair and is almost completely paralyzed by amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or Lou Gehrig’s disease, plans to go on a weightless flight on April 26, officials at the flight operator said Thursday.
What a weirdo!WE Blog has meet-ups!WE intends for people to know each other through the meet-ups.I would LOVE to meet everybody.
Let’s do democracy right here, right now!
If you like anon posting of graffitti and slander….VOTE TIPPYIf you like to own what you write and stand behind it….VOTE TRACY
Oh give me a break, GS – whatever happened to the right to free speech? Sorry you don’t like that other people want to make nasty comments – and no, for the record, I don’t agree with them, nor do I think they were appropriate, so I must have missed the part where I was defending them. I rather thought I was defending the operators of the websites decisions to remove content they found disturbing – those posters could have gone anywhere else, hell they could have started their own website and made those posts there – so I don’t see where that fell as censorship… but sure, if you want to play that game, okay then they should have left them up – but then again, if we did that, there would be no need for moderators, right? and you aren’t a tattle-tale – well, I will have to take your word for it, I suppose, since there is no way to prove whether or not you requests posts to be removed, but in that case, you shouldn’t be so defensive when people say mean things… I also like how you totally dodged my question by saying “well in regards to the president or VP” and completely ignoring the fact that your fellow CONS on this site have made very similar statements to another poster and you don’t seem to be jumping all over them – Furthermore, I refuse to believe those are leftist posters until you provide PROOF to me, and not just your opinion that is what they are…
Ben, Hawking is my hero.
But GS I know your real name and you know mine! Are you wary of me?
Tracy you can change your opinion, glad you finally saw the light.
BTW, Tippy………Linda trusts ME with her personal info.Does she trust YOU?
Look, can we ALL agree that it is inappropriate to call for the death of an American leader, nomatter how awful they are?
Can we all agree that posting with real names is a bad idea?
Can we drop it and move on?
Yes Mom. I did.And FYI.At my J-O-B we are now developing our product using VEGETABLE OIL and bio-diesels.
Thank you, PoliticalMom.
You called that one correctly.
“Can we drop it and move on?”NOPE
Libel and slander should not be anonymous graffitti here.
Little miss fossil fuels cant even keep her lies straight for an hour!
First she says:”But it might make the Feds take a closer look at the nature of blogs.
Advocating more nanny state?
Then she says this:
“You may believe in censorship – but I don’t.”
Gee whiz, who thinks little miss fossil fuels believes in censoring the left, but not the right.
Everyone who is surprised, raise their hand….
True this Tracy:
“Can we drop it and move on?”NOPE
Libel and slander should not be anonymous graffitti here.
Posted by: TRACY | March 01, 2007 at 09:55 AM
Dontcha just love it when they want to move on ’cause THEIR ox is being gored.
And please…
LET ME BE THE FIRST TO VOTE FOR TRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(thanks clark for the !’s)
Sure, PMom, I am done, just wanted to point out the contradictory nature of GS’s comments (especially as they are addressed towards me) Besides, I have better things to do now, and am getting to them…
I still want her “reliable source” that I commit fraud for money.
Not to speak of all the other lies Tippy has been telling about me.
Stating that the Feds may take a closer look at the nature of blogs is a FAR CRY from advocating it.
The ‘nanny state’ is more of a liberal idea of utopia.
I am a me, not a their.
For the record.
BTW, Tippy………Linda trusts ME with her personal info.Does she trust YOU?
Tracy the troll.
lol
The ‘police state’ is more of a conservative idea of utopia.
Tippy why don’t you back up that lie?
TRACY – obviously Linda DID trust me – she posted her entire name, didn’t she?
But, I asked her NOT to.
This isn’t about trust – it’s about security. You’ve made it VERY clear that you’ve stalked me on several boards now, trying to guess my usernames there. You weren’t totally correct – but it shows me that you have an obsessive personality.
Why would I want to meet anyone who has done that?
Can you answer that?
“I still want her “reliable source” that I commit fraud for money.”
Still waiting….
Also waiting on her reliable sources that JR commits welfare fraud.
I still say let’s give her the same treatment we gave Hank when he stated (falsely) that JR uses illegal drugs.
It resulted in Hank apologizing.
And GS?
(Cue crickets chirping)
Being a wingnut means never having to say yer sorry…
I think little miss fossil fuels should just stay away from any future meetups. She would hate them.
They are fun. She is not.
As her buddy nutz says “the end”.
Sure farmie – just as soon as you prove I have a financial interest in the Holcomb plants.
Go ahead….I’m waiting.
Whistling….tapping fingers.
lol
This might be the most ridiculous thread ever.
It’s rare that I agree with PMom, but…
Move on!
More Wiki love….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls
In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, incorrect, inaccurate, absurd, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.
I like this part:
A troll is a person who approaches a board with the specific intention of destroying a forum’s hegemony, either with no particular motive or provocation in mind, other than to be purely destructive or if the motive or provocation is against the ethos of the board.
For example, a neo-nazi approaching a Jewish forum with the intention of attacking the members, purely because the neo-nazi knows the forum to contain Jewish members, may be considered a troll. A Jewish member of the said forum, who becomes angry with the neo-nazi and breaks the rules in gaining revenge against the neo-nazi, and who is subsequently banned and who then begins to rebel, is not a troll.
And this part:
Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person,
And just for laughs:
Recently, the word troll is also frequently used as a synonym for flamebait, even though the two words have distinct meanings.
Yep, I’d say the appearance of little miss fossil fuels and her tactics fit the definition of trolls.
I see Tracy engaging in NO troll behavior.
“Sure farmie – just as soon as you prove I have a financial interest in the Holcomb plants.”
Please post where I said that!
…and you were asked to correct your lie FIRST. By MULTIPLE posters. And still you refuse to do so. Hmmmm…..
Geez, a troll who has no clue about blogs….
Hey nutz, how’re the world financial markets doing today? Ya better check fux news and find out how the bushies are spinning this!
Any investor who places any significance on single day financial results is bound to be proven wrong.
GS, I’m just exposing you for what you are.You hide behind your precious anonimity so you can lie.And knowing Linda’s full name is NOT the same as her trusting you.No I’m not moving on.Tippy repeatedly lied about me and Tippy needs to apologize.I did not stalk Tippy, all I had to do was read Tippy’s comments and I knew who it was.Now it has confirmed that is who it is.Thank you Tippy.I’m guessing on the other names to.
Speaking of the VP…
Someone passed this on to me, and although I think it’s a bunch of hogwash, I thought I’d pass it on. It might make for an interesting discussion. Definitely better than reading GS’s comments about her fellow posters.
US Military Attempt Arrest of Vice President Cheney, 3 Reported Deadhttp://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index986.htm (scroll down for the article)
TRACY – you say you are not stalking me – and yet you go to other sites, not affiliated with this one and hunt down posts made there to bring back to this one.
That’s more than just strange – it’s CERTIFIABLE.
You pour over messages on other boards and bring them here. You use names from other boards, too.
That’s just nuts.
No one in their right mind would question why I don’t want to meet you….but you.
It’ll never happen.
CRAP ok to make this fair I’m coming clean.
GS, I’m sorry, I told Tracy what name you posted with on the one blog.
And now, I’ll tell you who he posts under over there too.
In your email.
I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have done it. I didn’t expect this to get so out of hand!
Great my email won’t open.I’ll do it later.
WASHINGTON – Personal incomes rose in January at the fastest clip in a year, bolstered by bonus payments to high-income executives, but construction activity fell sharply as the nation’s housing industry continued to suffer through tough times.
Let me repeat that for those not paying attention. …BOLSTERED BY BONUS PAYMENTS TO HIGH-INCOME EXECUTIVES.
RD, illustrates what happens when averages are used, huh?
Farmie,No (smart) investor looks at one day on the market to try to draw any conclusion. In fact, most of us don’t look at weeks or months. I review my quarterly statements, but the true market window is five years or longer.
However…today? The markets opened lower but have gained significantly since 10 am EST. The Dow is up 200 pts in the past 2 hrs on strong manufacturing data.
heheheeh nutz, I dont know where you get your info, other than fux news, but I just watched it on CNBC. Right now? The dow is down over 40 points from yesterday.
I’M NOT the one basing anything on one day. The link I posted today is talking about trends.
YOU pointed to yesterday’s dead cat bounce and said all was well. And that “all is well” sucks for farmie and JR.
You are so busted….
In fact, the Dow is doing so badly and dropping so far so fast today that TRADING CURBS had to be implemented.
Of course, that slowed the bleeding, and now the Dow is only down 40 some points. From YESTERDAY.
It has still lost almost 400 points from Monday.
That is more than a one day anomoly. The link I provided today talks about overall economic projections. You know, those robust “index” numbers on the economy you were touting yesterday?
A direct contradiction.
Again nutz, you are SO BUSTED…
HELL PMOM.I’LL DO IT.TIPPY, does TARKUS sound familiar?
Yep, I slammed your INANE bullshit over there too.
I didn’t need pmom’s info to know who you were.And no, I have no desire to meet you.If you wanna show your face at a meet so that the everybody knows who you are, then you might have some blog credibility.But you do not want to, you are not credible, and you are an unapologetic verifiable slanderous lier.I can’t help it if you are a bitter-minded atheist who doesn’t even accept REALITY.
Anything else you wanna know about me I’ll be glad to provide.I have nothing to hide from or be ashamed of.I will gladly own up to anything I write and any accusations I make.
Damned nice of me, huh?
heheheh Yeah Tracy, I’m still waiting for the repost of where I said she had a financial interest in the coal plant.
Hit and run lies. The worst kind.
I obtained this link from a discussion board on the WaPo yesterday. It is fairly old (2004, I think), but it covers the length of Dick Cheney’s career. At the end, it made me wonder if Dick is in fact a “curse”.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/6450422/the_curse_of_dick_cheney
Just a comment, to be helpful, liar is spelled l-i-a-r. Just like it is in the treasonous site:
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/liar.htm
I still notice that most of this blogs worst actors came from lonely blog over at the SJ.
Nutz, little miss fossil fuels, fleetie, etc. came from the SJ.
Again, maybe that is why they are lonely blog over there? These guys just cant find enough people to gig over there?
They have to empty their garbage over here?
heheheh. Harris News. As wingnutty as you think…
GSheridan,
If it’s ‘warped’ postings you want to snivel about, here are some from Amanda Marcotte’s site that were sent to her after William Dononhue went on his attack.
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“Problem with women like you, you just need a good fuckin’ from a real man! Living in Texas myself, I know you haven’t found that real Texan yet. But once your liberal pro feminist ass gets a real good fuckin’, you might see the light. Until then, enjoy your battery operated toys b/c most real men wouldn’t want to give you the fuckin’ you deserve b/c the shit that would come out of you ears.”
Andy Driggers, Dallas, TX
“i like the way you trash talk i don’t particularly want to have sex with you but i would like a blow job.”
Paul Bernard, Scottsdale, AZ
“It’s just too bad your mother didn’t abort you. You are nothing more than a filthy mouth slut. I bet a couple of years in Iraq being raped and beaten daily would help you appreciate America a little. Need a plane ticket?”
Bud Phelps
“YOU RACIST WHORE. FAT UGLY BITCH. SUCK MY LONG COCK ASSHOLE I HOPE YOU KIDS NEVER LIVE AND YOUR PARENTS DIE A TRAGIC DEATH YOU ASSHOLE BITCH!I HOPE YOUR WOMB IS BARREN AND YOUR CAREER PLUMMETS TO HELL YOU BITCH”
Romanco De Leone
http://pandagon.net/2007/02/13/people-who-claim-to-love-jesus-write-me/
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Those are YOUR folks, GSheridan. I wonder whether you count rape, sexual torture, and murder among the ‘dangerous’ ideas that are out there.
Yeah Steven sometimes my speeling sucks. HA!My typing is even more appalling.
CF, I wonder if Bud Phelps is one of Fat Freddy’s klan?Just curious.
Heh, heh, CF.
Notice how quiet it got in here all of a sudden?
CF isn’t boring you is he, Sherri?
TRACY,
I doubt it: the folks who attacked Amanda Marcotte were Catholic extremists, whereas ‘ol Fred refers to the Catholic Church as a ‘fag’ and ‘the church of the Holy Pedophiles.’
CapnAmerica,
Indeed. Whenever I show up, GSheridan seems to get called away on urgent business. Fancy that.
…and this little midday financial markets update from the WE is dedicated to nutz and outie. Read the whole thing.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/16804840.htm
CF, if that is the case, could you please be here more often? heheheheh
YOU ROCK dude!
CF: Posting quotes from crazy people serves what purpose? After reading them, I think I need to scrub off. It is easy to show there are hateful nuts with ideologies all over the political spectrum. Anyone can get nasty quotes and repost them. They weren’t worthy of bandwidth in the first place.
outlander,
GSheridan asked:
“Just how demented IS the far-left spectrum of America, and how concerned should we be that within their ranks lurks this kind of warped mindset…”
Well, given GSheridan’s desire to tar all liberals with same brush, it seemed appropriate to give her a taste of her own medicine.
And given the misogyny, hatred, and potential for violence that seethes on the Right, and the willingness of individuals to affix their NAMES to the sentiments expressed above, I thought GSheridan might want to see what kind of people she was associating herself with.
OMG, sebelius is just bat shit crazy.
She is nominating DAVE KERR to be the new commerce secretary?
I need to do some research, but I think he is also involved in the ethanol boom in ks.
j.c. on a cracker! If sebelius appoints any more republicans and conservatives to run the state, she may as well switch parties.
But then again, she has no opposition in the democrat ranks. And she is the best big business, environment raping, biz tax cutting, human rights wimp, republican governor we have EVER had!
outlander – “Posting quotes from crazy people serves what purpose?”
The answer – above in the thread it was claimed that similar lunacy on the left was “typical” and “represented the left.” Well, if it does then the converse is also true.
On the other hand I agree with you – these ON BOTH SIDES simply represent nuts.
Just returning from http://www.huffingtonpost.com, where I’d gone to mine a gem from the February 28 edition, from which GS extracted her beginning post, and I find that, according to an AP story excerpted there, that Senator McCain agrees with Senator Obama about the waste of lives in Iraq. Inquiring minds want to know: should Senator McCain apologize for these remarks made on the Letterman show last night, as was demanded of Senator Obama by the Republicans? Consistency would seem to indicate yes.
AMEN CF.That’s why I harp on the names.It’s the lowest kind of bully/coward that libels and slanders anonymously.
At least those scumbags were proud of their scumbaggery.
Oops; Senator McCain has now clarified his remarks, meant to say “sacrificed”, not “wasted”. All is now right with the world, and we return you to regular programming.
VT, wow good research.I missed Letterman.
I get up way too early.You know, I gotta go fake an injury somewhere, so I can commit more fraud, and stuff….
After the injury I’ll spend my day trolling, stalking, and all kindsa’ terrible, mean and nasty things.
Tracy, we found an envelope with your name on it at the bottom of a pile of garbage. Do you know anything about it?
WSC, I bet ya’ know the answer.
I MUST CONFESS.I put that envelope under that 5 tons of garbage.HA!
Kid, have you rehabilitated yourself?
There I was, sitting on the Group W bench …
Oh yeah, I was right about that bastard Kerr. He is an ethanol pig:
http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2006/07/31/daily5.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20060831/ai_n16712419
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_km4479/is_200612/ai_n17070521
I guess we all see where governor leadership is taking this state and its water supply.With mark parkinson (former repuke) and Joe Harkins heading up the energy office, mike hayden (current repuke) crying to purchase the circle k ranch, and kerr (current repuke) heading up the dept of commerce…
…y’all better fill up yer canteens NOW before governor leadership and her merry band of repukes drain the state!
google dave kerr + ethanol and see what you get….
Ben,Did you notice how our discussion with Ralph got deleted from the Mayoral primary thread?
didn’t notice …
Farmgrll, you have the wrong Kerr. The David Kerr appointed is the head of ATT Kansas, not Dave Kerr, the former senate president.David Kerr has been with ATT since 1979.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/02/random_thoughts.html#comments
still there
Mr. C, I didnt see it. WHY was it removed?
This si what happens when you try to work on four hours sleep :)
Whew, Mr. C. Thanks for clearing that up.
It still doesnt make THE dave kerr any less of an ethanol pig. heheheh
This one goes out to all the global warming deniars. Not as moving without the musical score and tips for environmental stewardship shown with it in “An Inconvenient Truth” but stirring. Melissa Etheridge I Need to Wake Up Lyricsreceived Academy Award 2007.Theme song for An Inconvenient Truth.two awards: first place Documentary and first place Original score.Have I been sleeping?I’ve been so stillAfraid of crumblingHave I been careless?Dismissing all the distant rumblingsTake me where I am supposed to beTo comprehend the things that I can’t seeCause I need to moveI need to wake upI need to changeI need to shake upI need to speak outSomething’s got to break upI’ve been asleepAnd I need to wake upNowAnd as a childI danced like it was 1999My dreams were wildThe promise of this new worldWould be mineNow I am throwing off the carelessness of youthTo listen to an inconvenient truthThat I need to moveI need to wake upI need to change[ Lyrics found on http://www.metrolyrics.com ]I need to shake upI need to speak outSomething’s got to break upI’ve been asleepAnd I need to wake upNow I am not an islandI am not aloneI am my intentionsTrapped here in this flesh and boneAnd I need to moveI need to wake upI need to changeI need to shake upI need to speak outSomething’s got to break upI’ve been asleepAnd I need to wake upNow I want to changeI need to shake upI need to speak outOh, Something’s got to break upI’ve been asleepAnd I need to wake upNow
I went over to the sargent, said,”Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I’ve rehabilitated myself,
I mean, I mean, I mean that just,I’m sittin’ here on the bench,
I mean I’m sittin here on the Group W bench’cause you want to know if I’m moral enough join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villagesafter bein’ a litterbug?”
He looked at me and said,”Kid, we don’t like your kind, and we’re gonna send you fingerprints off to Washington.”
(Damn, kinda makes me wish I still had hair, and my old 69 Mustang fastback)
Still have my hair, Trace. I am a genetic freak, but I do miss my ‘63 VW Beetle with the pullback sunroof and the (for the time) kickin’ stereo.
Damn, those were the days.
Bald – eeeeewwwwww.
Glad you’re back GSher – waiting on those posts where I trolled you.
Got proof?
Go back and reread them.
Do they address the thread topic?
If not – you were trolling.
Case closed.
“Do they address the thread topic?”
GSher, do you even have a clue what a troll is?
From Wiki…..”Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, more often than not based on what they thought was said rather than what was actually said by the other person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.”
I began posting on this blog LONG before you showed up with your sorry insulting lies and distortions.
[quote]” A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.”[nd quote]
http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp
That’s EXACTLY what you did. No addressing whatsoever of the thread’s topic – just trying to start a flame war.
Trolling – WSClark.
LOL – from you OWN post – you villify yourself.
On the thread where I called you a TROLL -you did EXACTLY that.
The discussion was about water usuage – you attacked me – trying to start a flame war.
It doesn’t matter if you were here since you were in diapers – that doesn’t make your behavior untouchable.
There are a handful of trolls here – you are only one of them.
Tomorrow – we’ll see if you can address the topics in the thread – or if you will do the same thing.
“It doesn’t matter if you were here since you were in diapers – that doesn’t make your behavior untouchable.”
You are in a dead heat with Golf Nut for the most despised poster on this blog, GSher.
I regularly post on topics of importance to me. The only reason I even bother with you is that you attack my friends.
You are a human pice of shit, GSher. You are a liar – proven – and a despicable human being.
But other than that, I am sure your dog loves you.
GSheridan,
Ready to concede that the extremism you vilify on the left is also present on the right?
CF – sure – I admit there is extremism on the right. I’ve stated that myself, a number of times. In fact, I regularly denounce it.
WSClark – by your own definition and the one I posted also – you just trolled again.
You really can’t stay on topic – can you? Just more flaming. I know it irritates you that you can’t bait me – doesn’t it?
You are funny man, GSher. Hilarious. Do you work on this act on a regular basis or do you just play the fool for S & G on occasion?
I’m not trying to be funny WS – just accurate. Would you like it if I called you “a human pice(sic) of shit?” If I were to do that – wouldn’t you say I was a troll?
And why did you call me a man?
Is that supposed to be another insult?
GSheridan,
So are you prepared to denounce the right-wing extremism I posted as equally threatening as were the left-wing criticisms? And if so, then what accounts for the special nefariousness you attribute to left-wing criticisms?
Here’s another question: I see that last night on David Letterman, John McCain said that the lives of American troops had been “wasted” in Iraq.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070301/D8NJCKM80.html
A while back, you wrote the following when Barack Obama had dared to use the “W” word:
“Obama Winfrey doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in Hell, as he steps on his dick every time he addresses a crowd.”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/02/clinton_in_stat.html#comments
So has John McCain now “stepped on his dick” (I apologize to everyone for the most unattractive image), and does this not demonstrate his unfitness for the office of the Presidency every bit as much as it was supposed to have demonstrated Obama’s unfitness?
Just wondering.
Rove and Bush cut off McCains dick a long time ago — I think they fed it to Coulter … so all he has to step on is his tongue — which he seems to do quite nicely ….
“I’m not trying to be funny WS – just accurate”
Well, GSher, you have already been proven to be a liar – an unrepentant liar – so if you are not trying to be funny, then just what the hell are you doing?
By definition, liars are not accurate and you say that you are not TRYING to be funny, so what is your game?
ken,
Ugh. Feeling queasy. Even if you are correct.
(singing)
Well she was born a striiiip miners daughter….
She’ll deny or spin that Earths gettin’ hotter…
Build power plants we don’t need…
She’s got a portfolio to feed…
She put her soul for sale and fossil fuel…well they bought ‘er.
Farmie,I can comfortably state that you don’t have significant insight with regard to economic data. One bad day on Wall Street, and you’re forecasting a recession – all the while referring to this “Republican Economy” in the pejorative.
*shock*
Just between you and me, I suggest that you stick to fried chicken and potato salad. I’ll take the words of the Fed chairman over your keen repartee every time.
Crap, I’ll never be able to look at Coulter’s picture again without horrible mental images.
It was bad enough before, Ken, now I have this vision of a Huff & Puff Wolf scarfing down a fresh McCain penis while grinning from ear to ear.
The nightmares will begin!!!
CF – in certain circumstances, the right wing extremism is every bit as dangerous as the left fringe.
McCain isn’t my favorite person, so I’m not going to defend him.
But, at the same time, I think we need to address issues as they arise. The reason I chose the Huffington issue is because it just hit the radar. If you notice, earlier today, I also denounced Jerry Falwell for his extremism tactics.
I wasn’t one of the folks that went after Clinton for chasing Jewish girls around the Oval Office. It would have been better left alone. Many here make the mistake of thinking that just because I bring up what I term to be ‘dangerous’ from the left – that I suddenly think the right fringe is innocent. I don’t.
The GOP needs to pull a better candidate out of the hat – McCain is no prize.
At the same time – Obama is even less of a prize.
The Huffington fiasco I find particulary disturbing as it crosses into the dark side of human nature – wishing our leaders were dead. Given extreme emotions like that – how long until a ’spark’ brings that desire to a ‘plan?’
We saw what this kind of rhetoric brought about in the 70’s.
Who’s to say it can’t happen again?
WSClark,
For the love of God, man, STOP!
KFG- Is “keen repartee ” a side dish or the main entree?
You workin’ on a new menu up there??
You mean until now you could look at Coulters picture and NOT vomit?
So Tippy, come back to lie some more?Who’s your “reliable source” about me?Dispicable LIAR.Go whine about a topic on an OPEN thread you brainless twit/LIAR.
Is there ANYBODY in the blogosphere that would actually call this thing a friend?
JR – I actually liked your ditty. Now, I’ve got that song stuck in my head.
WSClark – I really don’t think that kind of descriptive post is necessary.
There could be kids reading this blog.
hee hee hee gster.
Hey nutz, maybe you ought to stick to golf. Or impersonating successful and good looking men while in truth being homer arafat.
BTW, how did the stock mkt work out for you today? heheheheheheheh
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/16804840.htm
I’M not the one predicting recession and economic problems ahead. I posted links to experts. And it isnt one day. These are trends and economic indicators. In some areas they are mixed at best. In other areas, they are decidedly on a downward trend.
But just keep spinning yer nonsense. It must be nice in your little fantasy land. Given the current economic trends, you might want to stick to impersonations and not investments.
China sniffled and Wall Street sneezed.
China sneezes and Wall street is gonna get pneumonia.
“You mean until now you could look at Coulters picture and NOT vomit?”
Well, before, Ken, I could shade my eyes and it was bearable, but now it’s like coming upon a train wreck – you just can’t look away!
I have to admit that I have had nightmares about waking up in the morning with a naked Ann Coulter in bed next to me.
Life has never been the same since.
…and at the risk of pissing off little miss fossil fuels again, my undergrad degree is in finance you moron.
Who wants to be they want to see my diploma? heheheheheheheheheheh
Now, back to frying chicken, my fun retirement job!
TRACY – could you please explain why you have been stalking me from this blog to other boards?
Was it really fair to put PM in that position so she felt she had to apologize to me…for what you did?
Why am I so interesting to you? Your obsession with me is troubling.
If I apologize for saying you faked a disability – will you quit stalking me?
farmie – your degree in finance. Gee – we have something else in common.
But why are you frying chicken? I thought you only cooked on weekends.
BTW – I’d lay money that my chicken is better than yours.
GSheridan,
If anyone is working to bring about some sort of violent confrontation in American society, it’s the rhetoric of the Right-Wing noise machine.
The left, for the most part, distances itself from its extremists: the right lionizes theirs with book contracts, high-profile media positions, and think tank money. Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and Dinesh D’Souza, anyone?
Domestic terrorism over the last twenty years has, for the most part, sparked and kindled on the right side of the spectrum: Tim McVeigh, The Order, the Freedmen, Eric Rudolph–the culture of violence that’s been stoked by the monies of Richard Mellon Scaifie and others.
So don’t cluck your tongue about the incipient violence of the left. It hasn’t been a factor since the days of SDS, the Weathermen, and the Black Panthers.
If you really oppose intra-American violence, you ought to go to the source: the right-wing media and its legitimation of violence against individuals and groups who stand outside the ‘mainstream’ as defined by the radical right wing.
Your claim depends on a false equivalence that simply doesn’t exist. The right advocates force and the destruction of governmental process, while vilifying the left for its reliance on process and deliberation. We all know this. That’s why I objected to your citation of the comments from the Huffington Post. These aren’t typical of the left, whereas the rhetoric of force and the legitimation of violence are very much a part of the contemporary right, thank you. To claim otherwise is a distortion and is intellectually dishonest.
You do receive a tip of the hat, GSheridan, for responding to my questions.
GS – maybe he is pissed off because he thinks you libeled him?
hehehehehehehehe
I think she should apologize to Tracy for calling him a stalker. They are PUBLIC boards, no? And you two were on those boards at the same time BEFORE you came here, right?
And you do love to call attention to yourself, even if that means gross mistruths, half truths, and plain ol’ lies?
Yeah. I think she should apologize to Tracy for any hint he is a stalker. He’s a well respected poster here.
And you?
I was responding to nutz suggestion that I stick to frying chicken. It’s called a figure of speech.
Too bad you will never attend a blog meetup, as per your posts above. The regulars here have already tasted my chicken.
CF – Eric Rudolf is a travesty to the idea of a free society, but his acts have gone un-mimicked for a time now.
I have to disagree with your assessment of ‘right wing’ media, because I find most media (in print) to be left leaning.
Sure, there are fringe-right groups, but find them less destrubing than the popular culture that gives voice to every generation’s youth. I was once a liberal, but I was very young. I was once a Christian, but there again, I was young.
I find idealism to be the central agenda of the leftist populace, but it spirals outside that ideal when trying to implement it.
Socialism seems very fair, from the outside looking in but for those who live under its policies – it becomes a noose.
We don’t see Americans risking their lives swimming to Cuba, although Castro has implemented a national health care system.
The human psyche desires to be free to live and govern itself.
The right DOES advocate force – but the left sows the seeds of internal destruction by division.
Which, in the long run, will be the more dangerous?
For those of you who get your financial news from fux….
“”The aftermath of Tuesday’s major selloff will linger for the next couple of days. I don’t think we’re totally out of the woods yet,” said Peter Cardillo, chief market economist at New York-based brokerage house Avalon Partners Inc.
According to preliminary calculations, the Dow fell 34.29, or 0.28 percent, to 12,234.34, after dropping as low as 12,056.54 in the first hour of trading. It hasn’t traded at these levels since early December.
Broader stock indicators also ended down after fluctuating in the afternoon. The Standard & Poor’s 500 index fell 3.65, or 0.26 percent, to 1,403.17, after tumbling 26 points earlier in the day.
The technology-dominated Nasdaq composite index finished down 11.94, or 0.49 percent, at 2,404.21, following an earlier drop of 56 points.”
Oh, and as for nutz taking Bernanke’s word on the economy…
It seems the market still trusts Greenspan more than Bernanke
“Stocks plunged Tuesday amid escalating worries that the U.S. and Chinese economies are slowing, exacerbated by a huge decline in Chinese stocks and comments from former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan that a U.S. recession is still a possibility.
A day later, they managed an anemic recovery as Bernanke predicted the U.S. economy would continue to grow moderately.”
Farmie, do you read the links you post? Here are some highlights:
-upbeat manufacturing data allayed fears about a flagging U.S. economy
-Investors are relieved that manufacturing is still expanding
-The Institute for Supply Management’s index of February manufacturing activity came in at 52.3, stronger than the 50.0 reading analysts expected. The index is an important measure of a part of the economy that has given investors headaches in recent months. Manufacturing had contracted a month earlier, according to the index, suffering from the listless housing market and hard-up auto industry. A reading at 50 and above indicates expansion, while anything below 50 signals contraction.
-Bernanke predicted the U.S. economy would continue to grow moderately.
-U.S. market began recovering by midmorning, as investors examined the U.S. economic reports released Thursday
-As far as data goes, there’s more good news than bad news,” said Arthur Hogan, chief market analyst at Jefferies & Co.
-The Commerce Department said personal incomes rose in January at the fastest pace in a year, fueled in part by executive bonuses and pay hikes for federal workers. Personal incomes rose by 1 percent in January, the largest advance since January 2006, while consumer spending was up 0.5 percent. A confident consumer willing to spend is a good sign for Wall Street that the economy won’t slow down too suddenly.
-The fear of recession is overblown. I don’t think we’re headed for recession in 2007,” said Peter Cardillo, chief market economist at New York-based brokerage house Avalon Partners Inc.
This might be a good time to re ask the question – why did Greenspan begin to adjust DOWN the rate in the last six months of Clinton’s term?
Any thoughts?
Thoughts …
I think he saw that the budget surpluses were a sort of fiscal policy that was non-stimulatory toward the economy. So, he could afford to lower short-term rates (bringing them in line with open-market auction rates) without fearing inflation.
I think that a good course would be a somewhat constrictive fiscal policy coupled with an accomodating monitary policy. Clinton provided the constrictive fiscal policy; Greenspan responded by providing a more accomodating monitary policy.
Steven Davis – Thanks for the article. It was a definite revelation to me. I was naive about Cheney, thought he was a non-issue. But this article is amazing, and I don’t think it’s a curse. I think he may be a sociopath though.
“In its simplest definition, a sociopath is someone wholacks a conscience. Sociopaths never feel love,empathy, loyalty, guilt, or remorse, although theyconvincingly can fake them. They cause greatsuffering and loss in those who try to befriend or lovethem.”
Nice try at pick and choose nutz. I said some things were mixed. Like manufacturing.
And your source Peter Cardillo?
Here is what else he said:
“The aftermath of Tuesday’s major selloff will linger for the next couple of days. I don’t think we’re totally out of the woods yet,” said Peter Cardillo, chief market economist at New York-based brokerage house Avalon Partners Inc.”
And nice try on pick and chose with Bernanke. Since you obviously didnt read it the first time, here is the original item:
“Stocks plunged Tuesday amid escalating worries that the U.S. and Chinese economies are slowing, exacerbated by a huge decline in Chinese stocks and comments from former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan that a U.S. recession is still a possibility.
A day later, they managed an anemic recovery as Bernanke predicted the U.S. economy would continue to grow moderately.”
And you said that stocks were recovering at midday?
How did the day end? Um, like this?
“A still skittish Wall Street closed modestly lower Thursday, having clawed its way back from an early-session plunge after upbeat manufacturing data allayed fears about a flagging U.S. economy.
The Dow Jones industrials ended 34 points lower after tumbling 209 points in early trading and then briefly reaching positive territory in the afternoon.”
Yeah nutz, nice job of twisting the facts.
Are you sure you dont work for bushco?
Hey now just a second. I happen to love the SJ message board. The SJ has gone out of their way to give us the format we wanted. ALL of us wanted. We have many readers just like here, but not as many who post.
And fleets did not come from there, and neither did Golf.
When the message board first started long ago, I was the only liberal who posted there, I took mucho mucho heat. That has changed, but I enjoy the discussion there a LOT more than here sometimes.
We can all post whatever topic we see fit, whereas here, if there are lame topics we just kindof hijack them.
And it is moderated, so trolls usually get the can.
Ummm, GS – you can’t troll by straying off subject on an Open Thread – just a thought – but my understanding was that open threads were basically a sounding board for whatever you wanted to discuss that day – thanks for playing, though…
Yes, PM – the SJ boards are pretty darned good, but as you said – they are pretty conservative. You like it there because you can debate to your heart’s content. And the folks there are great, but not many challenge me over there. Here, however, I get a chance to do what you do over there.
The format is MUCH better there – for sure. And I need to spend more time there, too. This is my last day off for a few days, so I hung here.
Wendy – you might have a point about Open Threads. I’ll consider that.
As I said before Farmie, you don’t really seem to grasp the concept of economics.
What do you think is an optimal GDP growth rate for the US?
Also Farmie,I did not come from the SJ board. I think I’ve posted there twice – just because PMom told me not to.
I’m curious, are all lesbians…
nah, nevermind.
(Wichita trivia question that I don’t know the answer to so I’m asking you).
What was the name of the movie theater on North Market just south of 21st Street?
Nomar
Thank you no one. I love the internet. :)
http://cinematreasures.org/theater.php/15663/
Why does the reich wing conveniently forget about Bush Co. assassination plans for the elected President Hugo Chavez?
It’s so terrible to wish someone dead?
Okay, fine.
How about when Bush Co. plots to kill someone?
Wish that Cheney were dead–treason.
Plot to kill President Chavez–foreign policy.
A hundred thousand dead Iraqi children–collateral damage.