"Democrats had been slow to react to my column of July 14, 2003, which reported that former diplomat Joseph Wilson’s mission to Niger was suggested by his CIA employee wife, Valerie Plame Wilson," Robert Novak wrote this week after "Scooter" Libby’s conviction. "By September, when the Justice Department began investigating the CIA leak, Democrats smelled another Iran-contra affair or Watergate. They were wrong."
Novak wrote that though his original column triggered Libby’s misery, "I played but a minor role in his trial. Subpoenaed by his defense team, I testified that I had phoned him in reporting the Wilson column and that he had said nothing about Wilson’s wife. Other journalists said the same thing under oath, but we apparently made no impression on the jury."
Not only does Novak think that President Bush should pardon Libby, he says it should be done "now, and not while he is walking out of the White House in January 2009."
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Maybe Novak has good reason to want a pardon here!
I have often wondered, Ben, why there were no legal issues for Novak. It would seem to me that he has some cupability in this matter.
I guess I’ll have to kick that question over to our Legal Department – VT and RM.
Ick. So now the Prince of Darkness claims to be vindicated.
WSC: Yeah, the same idea crossed my mind. If Libby is pardoned immediately, surely a Novak prosecution would be quite unlikely. As I said yesterday, the procedure should certainly include an appeal, and I’m confident that it will. And not necessarily just for political reasons…because it’s the right thing to do. I, FWIW, would be surprised if an appeal is not successful, and, at the point, a retrial unthinkable.
Why does this seem like the right thread to post this?
Hmm … Rats think like humans.
//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17537590/?from=ET
WSC, insofar as the IIPA is concerned, I direct your attention to the opening sentence of 50 USC 421. Mr. Novak does not meet this criteria.
From that great legal research resource, Wikipedia, I learned that there has been but one successful prosecution under the provisions of IIPA; a CIA agent by the name of Sharon Scramage was convicted thereunder for telling her boyfriend in Ghana the names of agents with whom she worked. According to the article, she was sentenced to 5 years, served 8 months.
Thank you, VT. I’ll get the check in the mail this afternoon.
I would seriously doubt that Libby wants a pardon. He might be sick and tired of the process but with a pardon you generally admit you’re guilty to apply for it.
I think that Libby would prefer to complete the appeal process and be found innocent at the end of the day.
I agre with rm, I think he will be sucessful.
Hank
Hank, Cappy Weinberg and the Iran – Contra Five took their pardons from Poppy Bush without admitting guilt. They had not even gone to trial when they received their Christmas present. DOJ guidelines mean very little to the BFEE.
Yea Clark,
I know, who cares. It’s nice to have guidelines to help a president fulfill his constitutional authority, but really, name a president that has ever followed them.
I still think that Libby has a good chance of shoving this whole case up one of Fitzgeralds warm and fuzzy orifices.
Hank
Too bad there wasn’t some guidelines to help Fitzgerald!
Maybe he could have found the leaker!
Hank
rm, I’m going to dissent on the appeal. I suspect that great weight will be given to the jury’s determination of the credibility of the various witnesses, given that the trial was all about untruthful statements made by Mr. Libby. Now, that said, nothing an appellate court does can be predicted, so if goes the other way, I cannot say I’ll be surprised.
Bush should pardon Libby.
Ignore the guidelines, do what he wants.
Bush has flouted law and convention ever since he pissed on democracy and got himself installed to the White House by partisan interventionist judges legislating from the bench.
Might as well tear the fig leaf of legality and legitimacy off this tyranny once and for all . . .
Clark–
Nofacts wasn’t legally liable because he squealed like a little girl when he was called before the Grand Jury.
You don’t get into trouble when you tell them everything they want.
You get a deal cut.
If you read the link provided, Novack says Fitzgerald knew it was Armitage because Richard – “the weight-lifter” had turned himself in.
I agree with Vaughn, I don’t think it should be overturned on appeal given the apparent thoroughness of the jury.
I do wonder why Novack is in such a big hurry for the conviction to be pardoned. It would take courage for Bush to do it now, rather than at the last minute. But what would the advantage to Bush be in doing an early pardon. I am not seeing one.
The WSJ said he should offer the pardon because the dysfunction in his staff that ultimately led to the counter-attack was ultimately his responsiblity. This may be true, but I have yet to see Bush put much value on accepting responsibility for his behavior.
No way for bush to wiggle out of this one.
If he pardons now or later, GOP is STILL freeing a traitor.
If he doesn’t pardon the GOP is throwing a little guy under the bus to save bush and Cheney.
I love it.
Perhaps Novak saw injustice done when one of Jurors is a retired reporter and a neighbor of Tim Russert, a witness in the trial. The juror also worked for Bob Woodward another insider in the case.
The defense ran out of juror exclusion options by the time they got to this retired reporter because the jury pool was loaded up with moveon.ogr types.
Whoa! Strong words J R! When did the treason trial occur? You know something we don’t?
What is it, Libby’s a hapless fall guy for the administration or a traitor?
Truth is, Fitzgerald is through unless he has to fight the appeal or retry Libby. He’s already said he’s not going to go after anyone else.
I guess the logical conclusion has to be that there was no leak. There was no leaker. There was no crime other than the process crime he brilliantly hung on poor ol’ Libby.
The adminstration is vindicated! It’s really not a crime to tell the truth about the proven liar Wilson!
Sorry.
We win.
Hank
I wouldn’t object to a Bush pardon for Libby- if it included a guilty plea from Cheney!
Dream on Jed. Got any idea what Cheney might be guilty of?
If so, you might give Fitzgerald a call. His investigation has pretty much vindicated every one in the administration!
Hank
Treason?
Probably not.
Sucks from your side Hank.
America now knows that the GOP was willing to do ANTHING to rush to war.
How’s the polls on that war?
GOP= dead meat
“The adminstration is vindicated! It’s really not a crime to tell the truth about the proven liar Wilson!”
Come on, Hank, I’m going to have to take back those kind words…..
What lies by Joe Wilson were proven?
Didn’t you get the memo WSC? He had the audacity to say Saddam didn’t buy yellow cake from Niger!
Come on Clark! GOOGLE lies and Wilson!
His op-ed peice was a lie! When he came back from Niger he reported that Iraq had been attempting to establish a commercial partnership with Niger. The only thing that Niger exports is yellow cake.
Then in his op-ed piece he lied about his report. These facts were all in the Senate Intelligence Committee’s bipartisan report after he testified before them.
In his op-ed piece he implied that Cheney’s office sent him. Later he refused to correct this error. His wife (an outspoken apponent of the war) arranged for him to go to Niger. He lied about her involvement, even after the memos she wrote proved he was a liar.
I could go on, but these are the main reasons that Cheney’s office was trying to set the record straight. It seems the dems think that telling the truth about a liar is a crime.
Fitzgerald’s investigation has vindicated Cheney’s office with his investigation. No crime. No time for Cheney.
We win.
You lose.
Sorry.
Hank
Now If we can get someone to go after the real Criminal. Burger and the lying Clintons…
Hey Ben,
In the late ’80s and early ’90s Iraq bought yellow cake from Niger. We found 500 tons of the stuff after the invasion.
Hank
That is true, Hank, and it was under lock and key by the IAA since immediately after the first Gulf War.
That was eleven years before Bush II invaded Iraq. We knew it was there and it was safeguarded.
So what is the point?
Methinks Hank doth gloat too much.
Robert Novak certainly isn’t acting as if anything has been won!
What to do? Pardon Libby NOW and risk the justifiable charge that bush and company are thwarting justice? Or drag it out and risk the charge that bush and company OVERTURN justice with a last minute pardon?
Frying pan or fire?
Heh heh heh
Hank -
(a) it had been inventoried and locked away, and
(b) we had helped them buy it. Remember, that was when we loved Saddam.
The point William and gentle Ben is that Saddam bought yellow cake. He had yellow cake. It’s not too much of a reach to believe that he would try and buy more yellow cake. Especially since the IAA had his under lock and key.
Saddam had a program to enrich uranium. He’d been trying to get enough Uranium to build a bomb for 25 years.
And Wilson lied. He was sent to Nger by his wife to find stuff to make Bush look bad. He couldn’t and he lied.
The bipartisan Senate Intellegence Committee report documents his lies. GOOGLE it, don’t believe me!
And now we know after Fitzgerald’s investigation that there was no crime in telling the truth about this liar!
Hank
J R
There was no crime committed by anyone other than Libby’s falsehoods that were stated in front of the Grand Jury.
The whole conspiracy theory propped up by the Liberal Press is washed up and their nothing to do, but use the same newspapers they wrote about it as kleenix to blow their collective dirty noses.
What will overturn the conviction of Libby is that juror who didn’t mention he was a neighbor of Tim Russert and he had worked for Bob Woodward, another insider on the so-called outing of Plame.
“And Wilson lied. He was sent to Nger by his wife to find stuff to make Bush look bad.”
Come on, Hank. Wilson was not sent by his wife. She did not have that kind of authority. Cheney ask the CIA to prove the Niger – Iraq point. Plame suggested her husband. The CIA sent Wilson since he had previously been an Ambassador.
You are btter than this, Hank. Stick with the facts.
His wife recommended him for the trip. He denied it. The Seante Intelligence Committee had a copy of the memos that Valerie wrote recommending him. He was sent to Niger based on her recommendation.
That is the facts.
Hank
Here’s an interestin artical that pretty much sums up what a lying pantload your hero Wilson is.
http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3010181.html
Enjoy
“lying pantload your hero Wilson is.”
Hank, I have two “heroes” that I look up to – Muhammad Ali and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
The word hero is vastly over used. I admire those two men, but I certainly do not participate in hero worship.
As for Joe Wilson…. not my hero.
But his wife only recommended him for the job for the CIA. She did not send him.
That pretty much sums it up Hank, thanks for the link.
Shows how conspiracy minded the Democraps are. They’ll believe anything even if it is proved to be a lie.
If Wilson lied then he should be prosecuted.
Dear Hank,
No offense, but you’re delusional.
Cheney’s office asked for the Niger trip.
Wilson’s wife was ASKED by her boss to write a document listing Wilson’s qualifications for the Niger trip.
Iraqs nuclear program was dismantled in the 1990’s, by the IAEA.
Iraq was under sanctions. Prove to us that Niger would risk the consequences of violating those sanctions.
Clark,
He would not have been considered for the job if it wasn’t for his wife.
Joe and Valerie were vocal apponents of the war. They were registered democrats and worked in Al Gore’s campaign.
Joe Wilson was an advisor to Kerry’s campaign.
He lied about his findings on the trip to Niger in an op-ed piece to make the president look bad.
When the Whitehouse set the record straight (telling the truth about luing Joe) the dems attempted to make it a crime.
It wasn’t.
Joe lied, Libby is convicted. Cheney vindicated. No crime to tell the truth about Joe.
Valerie was not covert under the definition of the law. No crime to “out” her.
Fitzgerald has vindicated the White House.
We win.
You lose.
Hank
PS Mohammed Ali? A muslim anti-Viet Nam war conscientious objector. Figures.
Maybe will get more info from the congressional hearings on the Plame leak. Can they call Cheney to testify, be nice if they could get the slime ball under oath.
cosmos!
Get real! We were at war with Iraq when G W Bush took office. We had a truce with Saddam and he had violated 17 UN resoultions pertaining to that truce!
Niger didn’t violate the sanctions. But they did tell Wilson that Iraq had attempted to by yellow cake. Iraq tried to get them to violate the sanctions!
I’m delusional?
Do you ignore the history of this conflict or do you refuse to learn?
Hank
The Righties claim that Wilson lied. But, the JURY says that Libby is a FELON!
It’s a nice day. I’m going to go work my dog and check on my lambs.
Then I’m going to take my baby to Tommy’s and get her a prime rib.
You peple play nice.
Hank
“A muslim anti-Viet Nam war conscientious objector.”
Oh my, Hank, God forbid that someone should have deeply held religious beliefs!!!!
By the way, don’t you conservative CELEBRATE religious convictions?
Hmmmmmm…. it couldn’t be that you are being a touch hypocritical here, are you Hank?
“Then I’m going to take my baby to Tommy’s and get her a prime rib.”
Damn you, Hank!!!! First RM goes on and on and on and on and on about his corned beef and cabbage and now you’re going out for Prime Rib.
Just rub it in, you two, just go ahead!!!
If Novak had been a patriot, and not printed the article, Scooter wouldn’t be in the predicament he’s in now. Wonder if Novak’s conscience ever bothers him. I wonder if Novak even has a conscience.
Novak is a news reporter mostly on the right side of the Political Spectrum. He will sell his own child for a story just like the Liberal Press does.
Clark,
You’ve convinced me! I’ve changed my mnd. We decided to stay home and cook a couple of steaks on the grill.
Momma is nuking some potatoes and I’ve got some mushrooms and onions going on the grill now.
When the shrooms an onions have had a chance to think about it a little I’ll drop the steaks on.
Maybe a glass or two of burgandy and my life will be complete!
Hank
Dear Hank Price,
I know the “history of this conflict”, but you seem to be very ignorant.
Hank Price: “We were at war with Iraq when G W Bush took office. We had a truce with Saddam and he had violated 17 UN resoultions pertaining to that truce!”
So violating U.N. resolutions = “at war”? How many nations have violated U.N. resolutions? Are we “at war” with ALL of them?
And PLEASE tell us WHY the U.N. inspectors were FORCED to leave Iraq in 2003.
Hank Price: “But they did tell Wilson that Iraq had attempted to by yellow cake.”
NOPE… Niger only said that they were interested in “expanding commercial relations”.
Hank??? Why are you UNABLE to learn the facts about this issue?
I’ve got a corn beef in the freezer, think I’ll thaw it for tomorrow.
In Ireland they have a dish called ‘bubbles and squeak’. You boil the corn beef (or crock pot it) but instead of cabbage you use little new potatoes and Brussel sprouts.
I’ve got a couple of packages of frozen Brussel sprouts too. I’ll dig them out when I get the corn beef!
All I’ll have to get at the store tomorrow is some of those little new potatoes!
Hank
I hope when Bush is gone that we can then pass a new law prohibiting minorities from working with us whites. Then, and only then, we there be equality.
Damn it, Hank, I was hoping that you might pick up a couple slabs of Prime Rib for me.
Shoot!
cosmos, buddy,
Read my link above.
You can go on and on picking fly shit out of the pepper, but the fact remains, wilson is a proven liar.
Cheney has been vindicated. Fitzgerald has Libby’s scalp and he’s done. He’s going to the house.
We win.
You lose.
Get over it.
Hank
Hey Clark,
We’ll have a party for the boy when he gets home, May or June.
I’ll feed ya and let ya drink my beer then!
Hank
The 6:39 post is clearly not mine. It is not even on topic.
The right must really be in a sad state if they have to troll me off subject with such a mindless post like that.
You’re on Hank!!!! Don’t forget, I have a long memory!!!
In all seriousness, I am damned glad that he will be coming home soon.
Thank God.
Thanks Clark!
Momma’s getting real hard to live with lately, he leaves Iraq on Thursday.
Hank
Thank God, Hank!!!! All the best to you, your wife and that little brat of yours!!!!!
(BTW – That little brat line is from an old Tom Waits – Springsteen song – no insult intended.)
Godspeed, Nathan – just a few more days!
Dear Hank Price,
I read your link to that “Republican public policy research center” earlier today, http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hoover_Institute
It does NOT cover the questions/points I asked you.
And since you refuse to answer my questions, and points, YOU lose.
The 6:54 post is clearly not mine. Some idiot posted it. The blacks must really be in a sad state if they have to troll me off subject with such a mindless post like that. Viva La White People. Rvolution is at Hand!
Dear cosmos,
OK
Hank
Dear 6:39 and 8:43 TROLL
You seem to know my email. It’s live.
Ya know? Folks like you make your side of politics look pretty sad. Trolling my nic and not even addressing the topic. Too your default choice to try and defame me is racism. I guess that shows where your mind wanders too first.
How about you write me with whatever problem it is you have that is driving you to troll me? I’m sure we can settle things like gentlemaen.
I’d like that.
OR you could wear your OWN nic and post racism or attack me. That would show more guts on your part. It would also keep me from implicating the innocent for your deed.
Remember all that stuff YOUR side of politics preaches about personal responsibility? Like that.Thanks, J R
Cosmos,
Everything you brought up is absolutely irrelevant to the Libby case.
You lose.
I think the p.o.v. expressed by Novak as well as others on the right (notably most perhaps by Krauthammer’s op-ed in today’s WaPo) is best explained by the actions of certain of their “movement” activists.
For Krauthammer, see:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/08/AR2007030801499.html
To wit: defend Bush here, at what passes for a political Thermypolae (referring to the geopolitical topography rather than the geographical location in Greece, or..worse..the likely sucky movie released this weekend), or see him impeached sometime before his term ends.
The demand for a pardon is really no less than a call to arms of those “conservatives” who have heretofore believed what every one of their senses have, after untold and mountainous quantities of evidence finally exposed, led them to conclude.
To wit: George W Bush is an idiot. In fact, he’s an idiot whose actions as POTUS — if defined by their impact on the nation — are literally…LITERALLY..anti-American at the core. Furthermore, he’s an idiot who if followed will lead them all to Lemming Cliff.
In other words, hey wake up if you’ve ever loved the shrubbery surrounding our..wait for it Jose..
Worst. President.Ever
Period!
LOL
If so, you might give Fitzgerald a call. His investigation has pretty much vindicated every one in the administration!Hank
Though I am being a realist, the conviction was not about a leak it was about simply Libby lying to an investigator under oath. Even if there was no actually crime commented for Libby to be covering up it is still a crime to lie under oath.
But I learned something from all this reading I have been doing, this info is from none other then a college Government text book. Hank and I am not saying there is proof that I am able to point at, but Libby could have given Fitzgerald a notarized, detailed confession of the intent to violate the laws concerning the discloser of a covert CIA agents name. And a detailed plan to use that disclosure to discredit Plane and Wilson. That is personally signed by the person who thought up the plan and authorized the disclosure.But there is one person in the Administration that even with such damning evidence that could not be touched. That the very rule of law excludes from any criminal prosecution while in office. Or even having charges brought against until leaving the office they hold. The only one that the law said that has that level of safety from prosecution is the President of the United States. So the investigate has not vindicated every one in the Administration.
Nor would I suspect such evidence would be made public, it would be held for the Congress to use if they had the intent to impeach.
I could care less if Libby gets pardoned. I want to see the lying crackhead reporters get busted for their false testimony. I also want to see Wilson convicted for lying to Congress.
Oh, great point Jose.
I for one would lurve to see monkeys fly out your butt.
Wait, we’ve all been treated to that..serially.
Dude, have you and Roscoe touched base yet?
LOL
It was pretty gross, btw, Jose.
I mean, I’m sure you love to send monkeys out your butt, Oz-like, at all us other.
But. Just sayin’.
LOL
So is that Khan or Kahn?
Do you know the difference?
LOL
More eighth grade attempt at humor.
LOL
Aimed at what, pre-school intelligence?
LOL
Yeah your pre-school intelligence as you are the only laughing.
BTW, Jose, this is creating what we in the reality-based world call a “record for posterity.”
You need to ’specially careful about the KIND of monkeys you send out butt-wise.
HINT.
LOL
The only laughing?
LOL
Is there something you’d like to hang on the end of that?
LOL
Not a thing. You might get all whiny and go home and cry to mommy.
The only thing worse than suffering W as prez, ’specially as Jedi Prez W The Something Less Than Great, a.k.a., Commander Caesar Codpiece is watching Jose maintain a brown nose in the “special” way Jose likes it best.
I do believe Roscoe can help you with that, Jose.
LOL
You like hijacking the thread away from these good people? Leaving all these comments for future generations to read on what an idiot you are Pedant?
LOL
Between you and me, Jose, there’s only one idiot.
I’m pretty damn happy to let history decide who exactly that is.
I know you agree because I know this: you can’t help yourself.
LOL
Is Jose just another way of saying “fish in a barrel?”
Because, dude, I’m really, really SCORING.
LOL
How did that go? Jose jose…what?
What was that song you were so enamored of …heheHEHE…falls over laughing…
LOL, what was it again??? Jiminez?
Good grief, Jose, have you RETREATED?
Or is this merely a strategic rest room break you’ve taken here?!?
‘Cuz you seemed to be all swollen up with your righteous Righty-ness earlier.
???
LOL
Goddam, son, we gotta go to the only roolz that count in this life. The school yard beckons your arse, Jose. LOL
LOL…christ I may literally die laughing here…
OK
You can wear jeans on Tuesday but otherwise you come in the VERY BEST Democrap (not Democrat) skirts. You hear boy?
LOL
…chokes at the professed bravery of Jose and the evident cowardice of Jose…
Damn, now THAT’s funny!
LOL
Bring it son, or take a seat.
Forever.
Jesus H Christ, Jose aka Republicanikhan aka whaterever:
If i’d a known your feelings were so easily hurt, I’da never pointed out that you are a stone cold pussy.
Honest! In the spirit of GSheridan, honest!
LOL
Dude, I hope that you’re finding Roscoes’s “healin’ fingers of faith” a really big comfort! ( ‘course I mean a comfort short of jesus’s attention!)
LOL
Here’s an interesting article that pretty much sums up what a lying pant-load your hero Wilson is.
HankYou give us a web site of the Hoover Institution so we can read an article that proves that Joe Wilson lied. Come on, I can give you web site after web site of articles that contradict yours. You have spent way to much time listening to the right’s spin on this story that you have been completely brainwashed, that is if you have a brain. Plame will testify March 16 before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. I’m sure that C-Span will carry the hearings, if not live at some other time.
>>Perhaps Novak saw injustice done when one of Jurors is a retired reporter and a neighbor of Tim Russert, a witness in the trial. The juror also worked for Bob Woodward another insider in the case.
The defense ran out of juror exclusion options by the time they got to this retired reporter because the jury pool was loaded up with moveon.ogr types.
Posted by: RepubliKhan | March 09, 2007 at 02:01 PM<<
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Blame it on “moveon.org.” types. Libby’s defense team wanted only people that were favorable to the Bush Administration. Would that have been an impartial jury? If the verdict had been not guilty, would you have felt the same about how the jury was selected?************************http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/17/AR2007011701270.html
“In Libby Trial, Big Names Make Jury Picks a Tall Order
Shallow Pool Teems With Ties to Players
To see how small a town Washington really is, drop in on jury selection at the trial of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, where so far nearly every juror candidate seems to have a connection to the players or events surrounding the leak of an undercover CIA officer’s identityThere is the software database manager whose wife works as a prosecutor for the Justice Department, and who counts the local U.S. attorney and a top official in Justice’s criminal division as neighbors and friends. A housecleaner who works at the Watergate and knows Condoleezza Rice, not by her title of secretary of state, but as the “lady who lives up on the fifth floor.” And a former Washington Post reporter whose editor was now-Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward; he went to barbecues at the house of NBC’s Tim Russert, a neighbor, and just published a book on the CIA and spying.One juror, a middle-aged woman, told the judge that she had worked in the “executive residence” — that is, the White House. She was an administrative assistant in the grounds office from the Reagan administration until the inauguration of President Bush.Another woman said she helped develop health policy in the office of the secretary of health and human services. She said she could be impartial about the administration but acknowledged she was “not particularly impressed” by how Cheney has handled certain events.Another candidate, the former Post journalist, seemed to have a link to nearly every key player in the case. He had worked in the newspaper’s Metro section, he said, where his editor was Woodward, a key defense witness. Until recently, he lived across an alley from Russert, a star witness for the prosecution. And he had gone to parties with The Post’s Walter Pincus, another defense witness.He said he would understand if the lawyers believed he couldn’t be impartial, but he promised he would use his reporter training to sort through the facts fairly.”If I were in your seats, I’d be skeptical,” he said.”
“And Wilson lied. He was sent to Niger by his wife to find stuff to make Bush look bad. He couldn’t and he lied.
The bipartisan Senate Intellegence Committee report documents his lies. GOOGLE it, don’t believe me!”**************************Report on the U.S. Intelligene Community’s Prewar Intellegence Assessments on Iraq
Ordered Reported on July7, 2004
Select Committee on Intelligence United Stated Senate
11. NIGER Page 39
B. Former AmbassadorOfficials from the CIA’s DO Counterproliferation Division (CPD) toldCommittee staff that in response to questions from the Vice President’s Office and theDepartments of State and Defense on the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal, CPD officialsdiscussed ways to obtain additional information.who could make immediate inquiries into the reporting, CPD decided to contact aformer ambassador to Gabon who had a posting early in his career in Niger.Some CPD officials could not recall how the office decided to contact the formerambassador, however, interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that hiswife, a CPD employee, “suggested” his name for the trip. The CPD reports officer told Committeestaff that the former ambassador’s wife “offered up his name” and a memorandum to the DeputyChief of the CPD on February 12,2002, from the former ambassador’s wife says, “my husbandhas good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not tomention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.”This was just one day before CPD sent a cable -requesting concurrencewith CPD’s idea to send the former ambassador to Niger and requesting any additionalinformation from the foreign government service on their uranium reports. The formerambassador’s wife told Committee staff that when CPD decided it would like to send the formerambassador to Niger, she approached her husband on behalf of the CIA and told him “there’s thiscrazy report” on a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq.The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA’s behalfThe former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wifementioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the nearfuture and might be willing to use his contacts in the regionBecause the former ambassador did not uncover any information aboutduring this visit to Niger, CPD did not distribute an intelligence report on the visit.-39 -
(U) The intelligence report based on the former ambassador’s trip was disseminated onMarch 8,2002. The report did not identify the former ambassador by name or as a formerambassador,but described him as “a contact with excellent access who does not have anestablished reporting record.” The report also indicted that the “subsources of the followinginformation knew their remarks could reach the U. S. government and may have intended toinfluence as well as inform.” DO officials told Committee staff that this type of description wasroutine and was done in order to protect the former ambassador as the source of the information,which they had told him they would do. DO officials also said they alerted WINPAC analystswhen the report was being disseminated because they knew the “high priority of the issue.” Thereport was widely distributed in routine channels.The intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister IbrahimMayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue statesfor the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foreign Minister (1996-1997). Mavaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have~- – / ~-been aware’of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999,,-businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss“expanding commercial relations” between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said thatMayaki interpreted “expanding commercial relations” to mean that the delegation wanted todiscuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that “although the meetingtook place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq.” -43 -
Ok Hank, I Googled, Valerie Plame did not send her husband, only suggested him. BTW You do remember that the Niger documents were forgeries.
Now Delores, that is not what Ann Coulters said! Who are you going to believe?
Hey Newhack, er.. Nohark, er…Nohat, oh whatever! Did you ever get the hint the jury did NOT believe you. It happens, you know? And in your case, it happens far more times than you are aware.
kscitydude,
Okay…you are going are trial for arson let’s say kscitydude. The jury picked by the Prosecutor and your lawyer consist of Fire Marshals, firemen and police investigators that all knew people that investigated the fire at your house.
The fire marshals, fireman and police that investigated the fire at your house are absolutely sure you are guilty but stated in the Jury selection process that they would be impartial.
Oh yeah and several of the firemen putting out the fire were badly burned.
Fair trial for you?
Measuring your future jail cell for a mattress about now?
Libby is such a non-issue. This case should have been thrown out of court.1. Armitage admits to being the leak to the press on Plame and specifically did it because he doesn’t like Bush.2. Reporter on the jury is a neighbor of Russert and used to work for Woodward.3. This is arguing over a conversation from 3 years ago. NO ONE can tell me under oath what they did and said yesterday, let alone months or years ago.4. This was an attempt to get Cheney, nothing else. And yes, Cheney should resign anyway.We have much bigger issues in this world than the Republicans and Democrats each wasting our tax money in investigating each other every term for political gain.
Thanks Scott Miller,
Finally someone with some common sense.
Hell-Novak wants him pardoned because it will render leaking information to newspeople (he is one imagine that)a mute point and he will have to spend less bribing someone for information.What Cheney and the Bush admiminstration did was criminal and could easily cause the death of an agent. It was potically motivated because that is the standard of operation for the Bush regime if anyone challenges it you ahnialate them at any cost.
“What Cheney and the Bush admiminstration did was criminal and could easily cause the death of an agent”.Posted by: Bob | March 10, 2007 at 11:17 AM
Wow Bob, that’s certainly slippery slope thinking Bob.
What’s next? Eating cornflakes will cause an increase in traffic accidents?
republikhan,
“What’s next? Eating cornflakes will cause an increase in traffic accidents?”
That’s a very flippant remark about people who risk their lives trying to keep you safe.
Perhaps you’re too DENSE to understand that outing Plame also exposed everyone (agent and non-agent) she was connected to in the past?
It also destroyed the intelligence network she was connected to.
But that was only re WMD, and we don’t need to worry about those… /Sarcasm off.
republikhan, this open letter from former U.S. Intelligence officers is for you,http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/intel.officers.letter.pdf“The disclosure of Ms. Plame’s name was a shameful event in American history and, in our professional judgment, may have damaged U.S. national security and poses a threat to the ability of U.S. intelligence gathering using human sources.
Any breach of the code of confidentiality and cover weakens the overall fabric of intelligence, and, directly or indirectly, jeopardizes the work and safety of intelligence workers and their sources.”
Cosmos,
Maybe you and your talking points memo need to get a handle that according to the Justice Department, no laws were broken mention Plame’s name because she was not in a covert position.
Now maybe you like to dream up slippery slope concepts that someone will die due to a false premise layed out by you and Bob, but I don’t.
There was no breach of the code of confidentially or it would have been prosecuted.
You lose.
republikhan,
So you believe that your right-wingnut talking points are more valid than the opinions of all these people?
Mr. Larry C. Johnson, former Analyst, CIAMr. Brent Cavan, former Analyst, CIAMr. Vince Cannistraro, former Case Officer, CIAMr. Michael Grimaldi, former Analyst, CIAMr. Mel Goodman, former senior Analyst, CIACol. W. Patrick Lang (US Army retired), former Director, Defense Humint Services, DIAMr. David MacMichael, former senior estimates officer, National Intelligence Council, CIAMr. James Marcinkowski, former Case Officer, CIAMr. Ray McGovern, former senior Analyst and PDB Briefer, CIAMr. Jim Smith, former Case Officer, CIAMr. William C. Wagner, former Case Officer, CIA
Yep, sure do. If any of those gentlemen want to discuss the issues of how the law was violated I would be more than happy to discuss it with them.
If they think that some sort of damage occurred let them offer up to me and then defend it.
But they aren’t here to discuss the issues with me, now are they?
Nice trick, but posting a static piece of information is not winning an argument, it’s merely flipping another card on the deck.
A winning hand only occurs when the cards have stopped being dealt.
Sorry, but you are still losing.
republikhan,
Actually, it’s a draw.
I can’t prove that any deaths occurred due to Plame’s outing, because the info would be classified.
And you can’t prove that no deaths occurred, because the names of the people involved are secret/classified.
Also, unlike this blog, intelligence-gathering is a risky, high-stakes business.
cosmos,
I notice that on your list of CIA losers none of them seem to know exactly what the law says.
The people that wrote the law in question are on record saying that it doesn’t apply in Plame’s case.
Now, if you could just either get Patrick Fitzgerald on the list, or at least get him to listen to the losers on your list, you might have something.
Fitzgerald is done. He’s going to the house. He’s got poor ol’ Scooter and nothing else.
And Scooter will beat the rap!
Hank
Dear Hank,
Do you disagree with their opinion re the leak?
“… in our professional judgment, may have damaged U.S. national security and poses a threat to the ability of U.S. intelligence gathering using human sources.”
If so, explain why.
If you were part of Plame’s network, and it involved risks, whether or not the 1982 IIPA applied to her would be irrelevant to your safety. And perhaps the safety of your family, and friends.
And I’d say it reduces U.S. intelligence gathering in at least 2 ways:* Old contacts/sources were shutdown.* New ones will be harder to get, because they’ll fear being exposed later.
“Maybe you and your talking points memo need to get a handle that according to the Justice Department, no laws were broken mention Plame’s name because she was not in a covert position.”Posted by: Republikhan
I must have missed that memo, could you give me a web site link that verifies your statement.
Sorry kscitydude, I’m not doing data mining for you because you are too lazy to do it yourself. If you can prove a counter assertion, then by all means provide it here.
Cosmos,
Arguing hypothetical is pointless.
If a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his butt every time he jumps.
Guess what? Frogs do not have wings so there is no need to discuss it further unless you are a cartoonist or a philosophy enthusiast.
Okay…you are going are trial for arson let’s say kscitydude. The jury picked by the Prosecutor and your lawyer consist of Fire Marshals, firemen and police investigators that all knew people that investigated the fire at your house.**************************OK so you are saying that a juror can not put aside their personal feelings and decide a case fairly. For a couple of hundred years our jury system has seemed to have worked alright.This jury seem to go out of it’s way to review the testimony and evidence. Ten days was a long time deliberating.
Why didn’t Libby’s defense team request a change of venue? Since District of Columbia has a 9-to-1 Democrat to Republican ratio, was it a proper venue for a trial of this sort.
Who cares? Really?
“Maybe you and your talking points memo need to get a handle that according to the Justice Department, no laws were broken mention Plame’s name because she was not in a covert position.”Posted by: Republikhan
I must have missed that memo, could you give me a web site link that verifies your statement.
Sorry kscitydude, I’m not doing data mining for you because you are too lazy to do it yourself. If you can prove a counter assertion, then by all means provide it here.***************************Than you should not post “that no laws were broken” unless you can back up your words.
CIA Seeks Probe of White HouseBy Alex Johnson with Andrea Mitchell Exclusive | MSNBC and NBC News Friday 26 September 2003NBC News’ Andrea Mitchell reported Friday night that the CIA has asked the Justice Department to investigate whether White House officials “BLEW PLAME COVER” in retaliation against Wilson. Revealing the identities of “COVERT” officials is a violation of two laws, the National Agents’ Identity Act and the Unauthorized Release of Classified Information Act.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3372137/
Question: Why did the head of the CIA go to the Justice Department to ask for an investigation if his agent was not uncover?
KS Dude, you are not allowed to use FACTS when debating a Republican.
It annoys the Hell out of them.
Ks dude and WSClarkThere will always be turf battles between agencies.The CIA is NOT a domestic criminal prosecution authority.It is NOT the job of the CIA, ever, to determine if laws have been broken.Any staff member wishing to protect his or her career would have made a DOJ referral.That, in itself, proves nothing.
Valerie Plame was NOT covert, was not covered by the law, and her CIA employment was widely known. If she were ever under cover, that status ended long ago. She had also not served overseas for a very long time. That also excluded her from the law in question.If 100 people all release the name of someone who IS covered by this law, at what point is the law no longer valid?Answer: You can not prosecute “leaker” # 2, or any thereafter, because once a cover is blown it is blown.This is why the Wichita Eagle can not be prosecuted for releasing the fact that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA.(In addition to the fact that Valerie Plame was not covert, was not out of the country on assignment for the previous 5 years, and her CIA status was widely known.)—-By the way folks, Novak is pretty much an anti-Israel, anti Iraq war conservative.
Thinking that Novak is not his own man on all of these issues is just not realistic.
October 2005, from Wiki…..
Patrick Fitzgerald’s statement to the press.
Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. Valerie Wilson’s friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life. The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well-known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It’s important that a CIA officer’s identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation’s security. Valerie Wilson’s cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003
That kind of blows a big hole in your story, Paul.
… and don’t even try to say that Fitzgerald was motivated by politics – he is and always has been a Republican.
WS
If attorneys were always right, we would not need court rooms would we?
Besides, Fitz is avoiding the issue. He even told the jury that this particular point was not important, remember?
KScitydude,
Pretty old stuff there – almost four years ago?
If there was a crime KScitydude, how come the Special Prosecutor Mr. Fitzgerald says there is none and nothing further to investigate.
Come on back when you have something more current.
“He even told the jury that this particular point was not important, remember?”
No, I don’t remember that.
For once in your life, post a link?
Was the law broken?
“The answer to that question is NO”
This from Slate, hardly a right wing rag:http://www.slate.com/id/2148555?pagewanted=all|
Oh for Christ’s sake, Paul and Khan, if the Chief of Staff for AL GORE had leaked the name of a CIA operative and perjured himself in Court in 1997, the Republicans would have wanted to hang him by his balls in the Capitol Rotunda.
The Republicans would have gone absolutely NUTS if that had happened, but because it happened under a Republican Administration, you folks want to give him a pass.
Christ.
This article in Slate was written by Christopher Hitchens, the formerly left-wing now virulently right-wing writer.
But ignoring the wholly biased source, this article says nothing about Fitzgerald claiming that “no crime had been committed.”
Hey, Republikhan, how about Libby’s getting CONVICTED on four out of five counts?
That current enough for you, sh*thead?
“”[P]laying the case by the book” is, to phrase it mildly, not the way in which Isikoff and Corn customarily describe the conduct of the White House. In this instance, however, the evidence allows them no other choice. But there is more than one way in which a case can be played by the book. Under the terms of the appalling and unconstitutional Intelligence Identities Protection Act (see “A Nutty Little Law,” my Slate column of July 26, 2005), the CIA can, in theory, “refer” any mention of itself to the Justice Department to see if the statute—denounced by The Nation and the New York Times when it was passed—has been broken. The bar here is quite high. Perhaps for that reason, Justice sat on the referral for two months after Novak’s original column. But then, rather late in the day, at the end of September 2003, then-CIA Director George Tenet himself sent a letter demanding to know whether the law had been broken.
The answer to that question, as Patrick Fitzgerald has since determined, is “no.”
The above from Chris Hitchens in Slate.
“Christopher Hitchens”
That is all you had to say, Capn’.
It kind of goes with Dick “Toes” Morris on George “Traitor” Stephanopolis.
That’s Hitchens’ OPINION of what Fitzgerald has determined.
I want to hear Fitzgerald say it.
Duh . . .
Yeah, heh, Wes.
Hitchens is the guy who argued for two hours in a public debate with George Galloway that the Iraq invasion was justified.
Capn Communist,
Libby got what he deserved for giving false testimony. He had no reason to lie and did it anyway.
He should have just repeated Hillary Clinton’s mantra when she was question on all her misdeeds,
“I don’t recall [times] ad nauseum.”
Capn
NAME ONE PERSON WHO HAS EVER DISAGREED WITH YOU, ON ANY ISSUE, THAT YOU WOULD RESPECT?
Posting anything on this Blog is pointless, if the intent is to persuade you. You are so hard-core left and against anything related to Bush that you will NEVER admit the competence or accuracy of any opposing view.
Simply put, Plame is NOT covered by the act because nobody was even charged with breaking the act.You would need an actual conviction on the “leak” issue to PROVE that Plame was covered by the act.Instead, you can’t even produce a prosecution, yet you claim Fitz’s empty statements are to be accepted as controlling law on this subject?
Hey, under your logic, why isnt Tiller in jail? After all, didnt a prosecuter claim Tiller broke the law?
Yada, yada, yada, Paul. If Scooby Doo was a Democrat, you Republicans would have wanted him killed and his family deported.
The bad thing is that you know it, but you don’t care.
Econ PAUL F ROSELL 101
wants to talk about respect?
Oh readers! That IS a hoot.
Paul once told us that “truth is what I say it is.”
I do not know that Paul has yet been OFFICIALLY promoted to godhood.
I DO know I would not take his word that night is dark and day is light.
Like I say, bush can’t win this one. Parse the legality and definitions all you like. bush and Cheney outed Valerie Plame to PUNISH Joe Wilson for DARING to try and stop the rush to war in Iraq.
How is the situation in Iraq working out?
Seems Joe Wilson should have been better listened to!
Econ–
Dude, take a pill.
You said that Fitzgerald said something, and I asked for a link.
The link you provided in no way supported what you said it did–that Fitzgerald had said that “no crime had been committed.”
Maybe you should start fact-checking some of the Rush O’Hannity sh*t you listen to all day long.
If it’s true it shouldn’t be hard to find.
republikhan,
You believe that leaking Plame’s classified identity is just some pointless “hypothetical”?
Are you really that brain-dead?She reportedly HAD been, and possibly still WAS involved in covert operations re WMD. The leak wiped out her network, and any assets that were being developed.
It’ll probably take years to rebuild what the leak destroyed… if it can even be rebuilt.
Are your bogus, right-wingnut talking points worth being “blind”?
Cosmos writes earlier:cosmos | March 10, 2007 at 04:38 PM”If you were part of Plame’s network, and it involved risks, whether or not the 1982 IIPA applied to her would be irrelevant to your safety. And perhaps the safety of your family, and friends.”
Cosmos writes later:cosmos | March 10, 2007 at 09:00 PM”You believe that leaking Plame’s classified identity is just some pointless “hypothetical”?”
Let’s not change the rules in the middle of the game now.
You posed a hypothetical and I’m not playing that game.
-It will probably–She reportedly-
It appears you unsure of your sources. You sure do keep using phrases that show doubt in their accuracy.
Forget hypothetical.
Make it personal.
What if you had been one of Valerie Plames contacts or sources?
Bet you’d be looking over your shoulder and sleeping with your back to the wall now.
And all to rush to war.
No I’d be looking over Plame’s shoulder and ask her if she would be interested in sleeping with me. :)
republikhan (throwup@ralph.com),
“It appears you unsure of your sources.”
It looks like republikhan wants the agency to provide confirmed, detailed lists of all of her prior operations, networks, and the damage the leak caused.
That would obviously GREATLY multiply the damage caused by the first, very unwise leak.
Thank you republikhan, for proving that you really ARE brain-dead.
And thank you for playing the game. You lose.
Nope Cosmos.
I’m here to debate you, not some list on a PDF.
If you cannot handle debating me, then politely bow out. You are obviously trying to play above your level. Go back to the little league.
As I previously posted, Khan, you Republicans would have gone absolutely NUTS if the situation had been flipped and it was a Democrat that had leaked and lied.
So, why the hypocrisy? You Republicans are supposed to be all about the Rule of law…..
republikhan (http://www.typepad.com/…),
“I’m here to debate you, not some list on a PDF.”
The main issue is about building, and keeping, a STRONG U.S. intelligence group, NOT “some list on a PDF”.
And republikhan, since you are UNABLE to understand that, you have AGAIN proven that you really ARE brain-dead.
Thank you for playing the game. Once again, you lose.
And republikhan, since you are UNABLE to understand that, you have AGAIN proven that you really ARE brain-dead. Thank you for playing the game. Once again, you lose.Posted by: cosmos | March 10, 2007 at 10:49 PM
Liberal solution to every problem. Just start name-calling.
And your answer is to just nic switch and build a consensus . . . hehehe
Conservative solution to every problem. Just ignore facts.
Cosmos
Good catch earlier on the email addy of “RepubliKhan”.
I see he is slipping into “throwup@ralph.com” again.
“JM RepubliKhan”?
You are making an absolute fool of yourself here.
Cosmos
Good catch earlier on the email addy of “RepubliKhan”.
I see he is slipping into “throwup@ralph.com” again.
“JM RepubliKhan”?
You are making an absolute fool of yourself here.
Oh no’s! I forgot to sign in on typepad.
So, sue me.
What a moron.
J R, WSClark and CapnAmerica gossip more about nothing than a bunch of old ladies in a sewing circle.
I will now refer to them as “The Sisters”
Naw, Khan!!! We’re not gossiping just for fun, this is a concerted effort on our part to push you over the edge. We feel that it is our duty to drive you completely crazy.
You are obviously a very paranoid individual, Khan, but I am sure that they told you that everyone is NOT out to get you.
They are wrong.
By golly, Republican = Republikhan wasn’t kidding about posting before.
Look at this:
Heck, I had a son that scored 167 on the Stanford-Binet IQ test. I was told that that was the highest at that time in Wichita.
Posted by: Republican | July 17, 2006 at 06:14 PM
Sorry, I doubted you.
WSClark | March 11, 2007 at 12:12 AMLook, one of “The Sisters” have spoken again.
“Naw, Khan!!! We’re not gossiping just for fun, this is a concerted effort on our part to push you over the edge. We feel that it is our duty to drive you completely crazy.”
Cool stuff. Keep posting statements like that. Just proves my point that you and your sisters are just what I say you are.
I mean look at J R, he has already turned on one of your Liberal friends, Political Mom.
Sooner or later, you all will alienate yourselves from everyone in the Blog and no one will pay attention to you.
I can handle it, this is easy stuff.
You must think your good, trying so hard to get a reaction or a sign from me. ROFL!
What does your son do now, Republican?
Was he able to put that brain power to use?
Republican can’t answer that because he doesn’t have a son, let alone a genius . . .
He forgot he posted this lie . . . what a maroon . . .
“I can handle it, this is easy stuff.”
You are funny man, Khan! A real laugh a minute Henny Youngman. Cool stuff.
You have already moved into scroll over status for a lot of people. I don’t think it is J R, Capn’ and me that are in danger of alienating the majority of the bloggers here. In the very short time that you have been posting under the RepubliKhan nic, you have already pissed off quite a few people.
You don’t exactly have a Blog Fan Club, Khan. From the comments directed at you, most of the folks here are convinced that you are a cross between a lunatic and an idiot.
But don’t take my word for it. Read back over your post and the reactions that you have got from folks OTHER THAN J R, Capn’ and myself.
By the way, I did a little search engine stuff while watching SportsCenter – I could not find any WE Blog posts for your former nic.
What’s up with that?
I can research the blog too Capn Communist and that was posted by a Blogger named “RightAngle.”
Nice try and get your eyes checked.
“Posted by: Republican | July 17, 2006 at 06:14 PM”
Damn, Capn’ you had better luck than I did finding his prior posts.
Kudos for you, boy…..
Another post from one of the sisters: Posted by: WSClark | March 11, 2007 at 12:31 AM
Hey WSClark, want me to post all your meltdowns here from the Blog to remind every one want a lunatic you are?
You melt down more than an old Soviet Nuclear Reactor.
Funny that, Republican, because if I had a son who had scored 167 or didn’t score 167, I wouldn’t have to LOOK IT UP.
You had to google to see if you had posted something about your own son.
What a lying puke you are.
It took you fifteen minutes to determine that you HADN’T made a post saying that your son a genius.
Unbelievable . . .
“Hey WSClark, want me to post all your meltdowns here from the Blog to remind every one want a lunatic you are?”
What ever makes you happy, Khan. After all, we want to keep you happy – we wouldn’t want you to go all postal on us.
BTW – Did you reread any of the responses to your posts? Notice a pattern there? The only friends you have on this site are GSheridan, who is considered to be a lying pit bull and Fleet, who we tolerate due to his brain damaged condition.
Another one of the Sisters post – Posted by: CapnAmerica | March 11, 2007 at 12:37 AM
No, because I’m smart enough to know that you would post something like that because you are the one that posted it as a troll.
Trying to prove a negative is hard isn’t it Capn Communist?
And that post is by a Blogger named Right Angle, not Republican.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/08/public_schools_.html#comment-21663392
Read the link Capn CommunistYou are the real lying sack of puke on the Blog…
One of the Sisters.
CapnAmerica,
WE Blog’s.WORST.POSTER.EVER.
Correct, WSC.
Nobody rises to Khan’s defense because nobody knows him.
He’s whatever he wants to be that day.
I set a trap for him and he stepped right into it.
I took a quote that sounded like one of the bullsh*t things JM-Eier-Uncle William-Khan would say and changed the name to the nic Khan admitted using previously.
This would be easy to confirm or deny for someone who doesn’t lie their ass off constantly.
But it would be tricky for a confirmed liar because it’s hard for him to keep all the lies straight.
Damn, if he didn’t have to GOOGLE it to figure out if he’d said it or not.
You’re looking at a sad, sad individual here folks.
Ahhh, Capn Communist caught in a lie…
Let me revel in it forever.
Everyone see what a lying sack of puke CapnAmerica is now?
But it would be tricky for a confirmed liar because it’s hard for him to keep all the lies straight. Damn, if he didn’t have to GOOGLE it to figure out if he’d said it or not. You’re looking at a sad, sad individual here folks. Posted by: CapnAmerica | March 11, 2007 at 12:47 AM
Naw Capn Sister Communist,
I wanted to research it and show everyone on the blog what a lying sack of human puke you are.
Good for you, Khan.
I want you to tell everyone what happened and link them right back here.
Because if somebody said that I had posted that my son had the highest IQ score of anybody in Wichita, it wouldn’t take me fifteen minutes and a Google search to figure out that I had never posted that.
We’ll let the readers decide who the lying sack of puke is . . .
BTW, while you’re bone-digging, can you find any old posts by this “Republican” you claimed to post as . . .
“Let me revel in it forever.”
Just out of curiousity, Khan, what is your fixation or facination with J R, Capn’ and me?
Really, in all seriousness.
It seems like you started attacking us from your very first post. Now, at least in my case, it could not have been because you knew of me from your “previous” exposure to the blog, since I did not post here last summer.
Now you really can’t tell me that you have been reading what goes on here and not posting, because no one normal does that.
So what is up with you?
What ever your buzz is, it isn’t the story that you have been telling.
Personally, the reason I think that you formerly posted under another nic is your uncalled for venom and the absence of some other right wing wackos.
I researched it to find out who posted it because I didn’t make a post like that.
You are over thinking the problem and as usual coming up with the wrong answers.
Of course, no one can expect a lying sack of human puke such as yourself to do anything rational.
Oh, by the way, writerdog thinks you are beyond normality too. He knows your a leftwing nutjob.
CapnAmerica
WE Blog’s.WORST.POSTER.EVER.
Look another post by one of the sisters: Posted by: WSClark | March 11, 2007 at 12:57 AM
Another loser who has no clue that all he does is to disrupt the Blog, call others names and generally be a n asshole by his own admission.
Mary Caruso tried to talk to you nicely and you pissed her off.
That why you been divorced twice? You piss everyone off?
No wonder you live alone and drink. You probably hate who you are.
Why didn’t you just say you didn’t post it?
That’s what anybody else would have done.
But then, we don’t have such a hard time keeping our stories straight.
Okay, I’m going to go nighty-night.
You know, things would be a lot easier for you if you’d just quit lying.
But then, I think you’ve probably heard that a few times before.
I’m actually embarrassed for you.
Another post by one of the Sisters. CapnAmerica | March 11, 2007 at 01:04 AM
I wanted to see what the post actually said.
In case you haven’t figured out my style, I actually go to links and read the article, then I make an argument.
I don’t go off half-cocked and make a lame statement without first analyzing what is being discussed.
You, on the other hand, Capn Communist, make more assumptions than waffling horse better at a race track.
Capn Communist is going to be because he is the weakest of the sisters and has no staying power.
He knows he’s losing on his lame quest because none of it is true.
CapnAmerica,
WE Blog’s.WORST.POSTER.EVER.
Yup, time for a new nic, KKKhan.
You discredited this one in record time . . .
“No wonder you live alone and drink. You probably hate who you are.”
I don’t live alone, moron. And I wish you right wing wackos would decide amongst yourselves whether you want to accuse me of being a drug addict or an alcoholic.
And I would appreciate it if you wackos could also decide whether I am a self-absorbed, arrogant SOB or if I am self-hating. It is getting hard for me to keep all of your insults straight.
As for Ms. Caruso – she tried to claim that she could not post with her IP because I had her banned – like I have that authority. Futhermore, she twisted and then denied that she accused me of caring more for the terrorists than for the unborn.
If she got pissed off, so be it. If you throw shit around, some of it is going to land on you.
… and in doing some research about Dub-Dog, I notice that he only said that Capn’ was a little “out there.” He did not write that the Capn’ was a nutjob.
… but more interesting, he had some real harsh words for you.
I think it is fair to assume that he will not be paying his dues to the RepubliKhan Fan Club anytime soon.
Posted by one of the sisters: WSClark | March 11, 2007 at 01:13 AM
You sure you and Capn Communist, JR are not homosexuals.
I mean you are expending a lot of energy, trying to get to know me.
Guess those two failed marriages you had weren’t work for ya huh?
Ex-wife’s complaining about your small penis so you had to get a boyfriend who would cuddle with you eh?
It’s okay Heevie, it’s your right to be Homosexual if you want.
Just start marching in those Gay parades Heevie and show your pride!
“I mean you are expending a lot of energy, trying to get to know me.”
Accusing an adult male of being a homosexual is just Jr. High School, Khan. It might not even rise to the level of that. If you want to play, you are going to have to do a whole lot better than that.
And the penis joke? That is strictly little boy stuff.
As for ex-wives, I could have both of them back if I chose. I choose to be with the woman I am with now.
Out only interest in you, jerkoff, is what I have previously outlined – why, from the moment you began posting here, did you single out J R, Capn’ and myself for personal, unprovoked attacks.
Other than that – and that is only a matter of curiousity – I really could care less if you dropped off the face of the Earth tomorrow.
As I have said before, don’t flatter yourself, Khan, no one gives a good god damned about you.
what difference does any of this make? “They” do what they want, when they want, with no regard to what once was the Law of the Land.
All any of this does is provide high paying jobs for lawyers and so-journalist.
CapnActions speak louder than words.
Use your brain, I know you have one.
No prosecution for “outing” = NO OUTING!