Although the office of Secretary of State Ron Thornburgh knows of no documented cases of illegal immigrants voting in Kansas, it’s likely that a Senate-passed bill aimed at stopping such voting will clear the House and reach Gov. Kathleen Sebelius’ desk, according to state Sen. Tim Huelskamp (in photo), R-Fowler. The bill would require Kansans to show photo ID before voting and show proof of citizenship before registering. And “I don’t know why, other than pure politics, that it would be vetoed by the governor,” Huelskamp told Harris News Service.
Here’s why: There are no known cases of illegal immigrants voting in the state.
Posted by Rhonda Holman
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Not sure if it is necessary, but NY has a resolution on the table that WOULD allow illegals to vote.
Here it might not be needed – but it’s not the only bill of its kind. Also, in KS is a push to ammend our State Constitution to ensure that women have equal rights under US Constitution.
Of course, they already do – but the bill is on the table anyway.
Sometimes our legislators like doing things like that – for no good apparent reason.
It makes them look busy.
lol
Don’t you think part of the reason we do not have documented cases of illegal aliens voting is because voters do not currently have to prove they’re legal to register or show ID to vote? How can we have documented cases if no documents are required?
Democrats are the ones that want illegals to vote, because they will vote Democrat. It’s that simple.
If illegal aliens were heavily Republican, the Republicans would want illegals to vote.
You have to look at the political reasoning behind it.
But nothing wrong showing ID at the polls in my opinion, but Democrats feed off of voter fraud, so they will be against it.
Voter fraud isn’t new to Kansas. Just look at the State’s beginning when Missouri Ruffians crossed the border to vote in Kansas elections.
I think the voter ID is a good idea. There are some that will try to vote more than once in an election and this is not a complicated thing to do.
Citizenship is a requirement for voting and also not being convicted of a felony. The number of felons has increased tremendously in the past decades and fraudulent voting is something we should watch closely.
Poll workers after a long day may not be as sharp as they were at the beginning of a voting day and may let a suspicious non-photo ID person slip by. A six foot 200 pound male with a voter registration card with a name of Debbie Sue is not likely to pass the Poll Worker’s scrutiny if there was a photo ID on the card.
Say, how about former convicts who fully served their terms, can they vote now? C’mon, this is America, the land where one is rightfully given second (and third, fourth, ad nauseam) chance to positively contribute to society at large. Or must they wear the scarlet letters all their lives?
You have a good point Roo Haa. I believe those felons not convicted of Capital, treasonous, kidnapping and other serious crimes should be given a second chance.
Perhaps taking the Citizenship exam would be part of the requirement?
This seems to be common sense. What is amazing is that anybody would oppose it. The question then becomes, what is the agenda of the opposition? From the same people who cried that our democracy was endangered by the Florida vote in 2000, comes the opposition of something as simple as a photo ID that helps protect our democracy. You people are all over the place.
I am a democrat and I support this bill!
Colorado is going to allow their inmates to start working on farms to take the place of the illegals they ran out. That’s fine, but how about paying what the job is worth instead.
“That’s fine, but how about paying what the job is worth instead.”
We’ll pay them what they are worth, right after deducting the room, board, cable tv and the excerise room.
Fleetie, real slow now….
She said pay what the JOB was worth, not what the inmates are worth.
Anyone who thinks this isnt about cheap labor has their head in the sand.
Cheap labor paid for by THE STATE for cryin’ out loud….
Arent you the one who loves to have the free market deal with things?
Then why the state supported wages?
But you do get gymnastics points for your acrobatic twists and turns of logic. We are amused, and do encourage you to play again.
Why not have them work for free, and we’ll call it even?
Doesnt make any difference if there has been a case or not. Something this important should require photo ID all the time. You have to do it to buy beer, you can do it to vote. If someone needs an ID and cant afford the 4 dollars or whatever , then the state should give it to them.
And several states , the usual lefties, are proposing to allow ANYONE here to vote in their local elections. That way the local illegals can vote to raise your taxes to support their kids and schools and more welfare in NY, Cali, Maryland, etc.
Cruel and Unusual Punishment. You have to give them a wage. No more free labor and chain gangs.
“You have to give them a wage.”
How ’bout the room and board part?
I have mixed feelings on this issue; while conceptually the idea of showing a “government id” to be able to vote seems harmless on its face, there is a cost. In this cost is not only the cost for the id card itself, but also the expense of “proving citizenship”, the most common example of which is a certified copy of a birth certificate, the cost for which in Kansas is $11.00 for the first copy.
To finish the truncated earlier post:
This additional expense to the prospective voter/registrant could, in my opinion, serve as a substantial barrier to the “poor” in obtaining the requisite id. For those who already have a DL, not a problem, right? But, for those who don’t, it could be a real issue.
There’s another part of me which just rails against another required id from the government, as I see all sorts of privacy issues coming into play.
Sorry Tolle! Doesn’t fly. Because Kansas does require showing proof of ID when registaring to vote for the very first time.
So if you need one to registar to vote, then why not when you go to the polls.
States that have ID requirements said that they will issue an ID card to anybody for free and birth certificats can be access online now.
Still no excuse. Other than keeping the fraud machine working.
Have any of you looked at your voter registration card?It has the registrant ID number and a bar code on it, what purpose is the bar code for?
JoeW, all I know is that in Kansas, while a birth certificate (certified copy) may be ordered on line, there is still a paper requirement to prove you are entitled to order it which is to be sent, together with the fee and appropriate id, to Topeka. I cannot divine how, in this world where identity theft is rampant, it could be any other way. Perhaps you have a solution?
The real problem of IDs is not having enough of them; it is being able to correctly reference them.Just looking at a person then looking at picture on a card does not justify the ID.Most of the time, most people do not know how to check IDs and some people are lazy about it.
The election office requires a Driver license or state ID, bank statement or a utility bill, something that shows you are a resident when registering to vote, they make a copy of the item then send you a registration card later in the mail.
Is anyone able to reference an ID to a source or does anyone takes the time to reference to a source?How many times have you lied or exaggerated on a job application?How many times have a lied or exaggerated application been check out?
Wiseman, I agree with your assertion that not enough effort goes into checking ID.
Why not show a voter’s registration card at the polls? The process to obtain one relies in Kansas, as you point out, producing a DL/StateID plus something tangible with the current address. To obtain the DL/StateID, one must provide certain information; I believe a cert. copy of a birth certificate is a common way to meet this, and there may be another form of some sort required. Thus, if these safeguards are in place, then why not accept the voter’s registration card?
I am aware of the ability, in certain states, to register to vote at the polling place on election day; I’ve no idea of what forms/proofs of id need to be produced, but I don’t think one can just walk up and say that I’m John Doe, and immediately be registered to vote.
How about we require all persons to have an RFID tag with a unique identifier implanted under their skin?Something that dramatic is really the only way to positively identify someone, and even it is not foolproof. A photo ID can easily be forged, as can a birth certificate and most other ID documents.The implant idea certainly could be used to fight terrorism, ID theft, lying job applicants, etc., and bring more security to us.
However, security and safety come with a price. The question with this (and with ‘homeland security’) becomes what are we willing to endure or give up to increase our security?
I am NOT in favor of requiring something like an implanted RFID tag. I enjoy the ability to be anonymous when I want to. I think Benjamin Franklin nailed it when he said “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
I will repeat -The real problem of IDs is not having enough of them; it is being able to correctly reference them.
I don’t think this is a big problem. Usually illegal aliens sign as few forms as possible so they are not likely to sneak and try to vote. I think that illegals should be issued drivers licenses if they pass the test (you will too if one ever hits you uninsured) but I think that all drivers licenses and state IDs should show that the holder is a non citizen- whether they are here legally or not.
” think that illegals should be issued drivers licenses if they pass the test (you will too if one ever hits you uninsured) but I think that all drivers licenses and state IDs should show that the holder is a non citizen- whether they are here legally or not.”
Well Kev that is a dandy example of sticking your head in the stand, or into a body cavity orifice.
From the AP. Seems as if the ID selling ring was in DOdge City, KS.
SOME SELL THEIR IDS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS
Mar 3, 2007 – KPVI
HARLINGEN, Texas (AP) — The sale of legitimate identity documents is the focus of a federal case in Corpus Christi, Texas.The documents were destined for illegal immigrants.
Most of the government’s attention until now has been on stolen or fabricated I-D’s.
This past week, seven defendants pleaded guilty in U-S District Court to charges of selling their birth certificates and Social Security cards for 100 dollars each. Seven others pleaded guilty to buying or reselling those I-D’s as part of a ring that sold documents to illegal immigrants seeking jobs in Dodge City, Kansas.
Prosecutors are declining to talk about the case until a sentencing hearing in May.
Defense attorneys say prosecution for selling an I-D may be something new.
The defendants face anywhere from probation to five years in prison.
(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
AP-NY-03-03- 07 1720EST