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Top 5 Kansas Lobbyists in 2006 by Expenditures
Internet Innovation Alliance – Kansas: $150,470
Freedom Works, Inc — $121,648
KS Chamber of Commerce & Industry – $92,474 + $3333
ProKanDo — $28,008
Americans for Prosperity – $22,016
LOBBYING DATA UPDATE
Summary of Expenditures Reported by Registered Lobbyists: http://ethics.ks.gov/GECSummaries/LobYrEnd2006.pdf
Recipients Listed on the Sept., Oct., Nov., & Dec., 2006 Lobbyist Employment & Expenditures Reports: http://www.kansas.gov/ethics/GECSummeries/LobRecipients01102007.pdf
2006 Year End Summary Listing Recipients disclosed on the various Lobbyist Employment & Expenditures Reports: http://ethics.ks.gov/GECSummaries/YrEndRptLob2006.pdf
Also, Searchable Lobbying Expenditures can be found at: http://www.accesskansas.org/lobbyist-expenditure/index.html
I just like to throw a thought here, it may make some people angry but i want your opinion on it. What do you think most of the “Greatest Generation” thinks of their sons/daughters who are running the country now and who are known as baby boomers.
What will the baby boomers kids who are Generation X and Y think of the baby boomers?
Think of Iraq, social security’s soon failure, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, Unaffordable Healthcare, tuition rising tons, foreign policies, and countless other things.
Do you think that people who are 75 and older and many who aren’t with us would be proud seeing the country the way it is today?
Speaking as a 25 year old, I can tell you there is a growing animosity towards the baby boomers in my generation. If you look at the 2004 election, people 35 and under did NOT vote for Bush. It was the crowd 45 and up who voted Bush in.
Thoughts?
I think the under-25 generation, has ALWAYS resented the over-40 group.
The former wants to run the world in a ‘fresh’ way, and the later actually hold the power reins.
Many of the Greatest Generation are still alive today - albeit getting much older, but most (the ones we transport to polls) are pretty conservative. These elderly individuals threw their entire support behind the WWII effort and as a result this nation was victorious.
I haven’t questioned all of them, but the topic of the war comes up many times between themselves. Some are in favor - some are opposed, but many express dismay that our nation no longer supports its soldiers.
The Greatest Generation was the force that ‘put down’ the Hippie movement. They were/are FAR from liberal.
I think they are probably more ashamed of the whiners and folks looking for a handout in our society. I can only judge by the views I’ve heard from my family - and the elderly I work with - but that sure seems to be the case, at least in the Heartland.
jb,People 35 and under don’t vote much anyway. “Growing animosity”? So what? Your generation wants everything handed to you. Get a job. Try showing up for work on time.
Looks like the anti public school lobbyists are very busy being Kansas neoconservatives who would love very much to turn over YOUR tax dollars to a private school industry aka vouchers aka corporate welfare.
Kansans need to understand there are several choices available plus scholarships. Public School,Parochial Schools,Private Schools,Homeschool and Virtual Schools are available.
CHECK a large fundmentalist “christian(?)” homeschool organization is not a friend to public or virtual schools because they want want your tax dollars. They have a legal defense fund which is nothing more than a lobbying group for their efforts. Sure they want to exist which is fine and dandy BUT leave all other forms of education alone. CHECK operates under the notion that their way is the only way.
Reconstruction of Iraq or is it UNconstruction?
Reconstruction has made scant progress in war-torn Iraq since the March 2003 US invasion. Continuing US military operations against the Iraqi resistance have destroyed urban centers such as Fallujah, Ramadi and Najaf and are likely to cause still more damage. The resistance, in turn, has sabotaged Iraq’s oil installations. Though US reconstruction efforts have partly rebuilt Iraq’s electricity system, Iraq’s broad economy has virtually collapsed and many factories and warehouses have been sacked and gutted. In the absence of security, neither Iraqis nor foreigners are interested in investing, while the no-bid Pentagon reconstruction contracts have achieved remarkably little. Faced with resistance threats, many foreign contracting firms have left and international development NGOs have withdrawn from Iraq as well. Little foreign aid has arrived, as skeptical donor governments keep their distance. The United States, keen to improve its tarnished image, cannot spend its own reconstruction funds fast enough to make real progress. This section covers these and many other aspects of reconstruction, including Iraq’s debt burden and negotiations for debt cancellation, as well as US insistence on a radically deregulated and liberalized Iraqi economy, ready for the eventual investments of the multinational oil giants.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/reconstructindex.htm
I see that Nurse Ratched is back bright and early.Let me make a prediction:somebody is goana get an ass eatin.
“The Greatest Generation was the force that ‘put down’ the Hippie movement. They were/are FAR from liberal”Nobody putdown the hippie movement It went of style turned into the disco movement which turned into the yuppie movement brush up on your pop culture
“When parents send a child to a tax-funded school, they sacrifice their autonomy to alien interests. The state has goals of its own that are distinct from those of parents. Parents are able to economize by availing themselves of a “free” school, but the bargain is Faustian. The child is subjected to indoctrination outside parental control. The price of tax-funded schooling is that parents give up their children to become instruments of the state.
Under totalitarian regimes, the subjugation of parental belief systems to those of the state is blatant. Schoolchildren are propagandized into the doctrines of the leadership, their thoughts molded to the state’s purposes.
But even under a “democratic” regime the state operates manipulatively for its own ends. Those who govern generally like to continue governing. Their governance is more easily maintained when the governed are passive and docile. The state propaganda machine must convince the citizenry of government’s benevolence. Schoolchildren are taught that government “gives” them things and “does” things for them.”
Oh my God, anonymous, you’re right!
Every industrialized country in the world has been serving Satan all these years by sending kids to taxpayer funded free schools.
When will we see the error of our ways and put kids back in the factories where they belong?
Anonymous–
Please tell me you DIDN’T go to a public school.
That would be very reassuring to me.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200702/FOR20070205a.html
Proposed Left-Wing Jewish Lobby Worries Some Israeli AnalystsBy Julie StahlCNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau ChiefFebruary 05, 2007
Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Reports of plans to set up a new, left-wing Jewish group seeking to lobby the U.S. government on Mideast policy have worried some in Israel, who fear it could undermine the existing pro-Israel lobby in Washington and harm Israeli security.
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the key pro-Israel lobby in the U.S., says its role for more than 50 years has been “to help make Israel more secure by ensuring that American support remains strong.”
Reports have emerged over recent months about meetings between representatives of liberal Jewish groups in the U.S. to examine the possibility of forming a new lobby.
The reports indicated that among those considering funding the initiative is billionaire George Soros, a harsh critic of Israeli policies.
Three main groups, all liberal, were said to be involved in the discussions - the Israel Policy Forum, Americans for Peace Now and Jewish Alliance for Justice and Peace.
And although no new lobby has yet been formed, some analysts in Israel are concerned about the impact such a group might have on U.S. support for Israel.
Former Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Zalman Shoval said that the premise of the group, as it has been described, suggests it wants the U.S. administration to put pressure on Israel in order to advance the cause of peace as though there was no terrorism and no Hamas-led government in the Palestinian self-rule territories.
“This group describes itself as supportive of Israel, but it actually supports the enemies of Israel,” Shoval told Cybercast News Service.
He said they had been encouraged by comments made by people like former President Jimmy Carter, who argue that in conducting its foreign policy the U.S. is putting Israel’s interests ahead of America’s real interests.
“They are trying to garner support among American Jews by pretending support of Israel, but the main aim is to undermine AIPAC and organizations like the Conference of Presidents [of Major American Jewish Organizations] - or even Christian organizations, which support the State of Israel,” said Shoval.
Interesting development in Plame case (which your not likely to hear about from the MSM).
Could be nothing or it could be big.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDRkZDFjMzU2NTc1NTYyM2Q0MWVmMGI4MGNmYzFlNDY=
Maybe anon wants to start his own little fundy Jesus Camp.
And he wants us to pay for it.
He’s kindof scary eh?
The only time I’ll support school vouchers is if it is to go to helping handicapped kids or magnet schools, not to fund schools that will breed hate and discrimination.
SEE BIPARTISAN THREAD FOR MORE:
Face it, James. The GOP is either the Gang of Prostitutes or should be renamed the GFN – Good For Nothing. Except they’re not the Democrats, right? And if they get another term in the White House, who knows how high the national debt will go? To Mars, maybe. But we’ll still (maybe) have the Republican Congress. Yeah, that inspires me with memories of “Newtsie’s” popgun “revolution.” What was the battle cry? I believe Joe Sobran captured the essence of it in caricature: “Slightly less Socialism in Seven Years!”
And even that was a lie.
Regards,Jack (another Vietnam Veteran)
Hey Heckler,
Things have been rather quiet about poor ol Libby this week. I think it means that things aren’t going quite the way they should in order to fit into the MSM template.
Amazing that they report every hit the prosecution hits but are somewhat silent when the defense comes up to bat.
Hank
“And he wants us to pay for it.”
Whoa…STRAIGHT out of the liberal playbook.
Hey Hank,
Even when they were telling about the Hits the prosecution made they left out some of the most important details.
Methinks there’s going to be some long faces on the Left when this is over.
Heard anything about Delay lately? Seems awful quite down Texas way.
MSNBC this morning….
“More American troops were killed in combat in Iraq over the past four months — at least 334 through Jan. 31 — than in any comparable stretch since the war began, according to an Associated Press analysis of casualty records.”
Good job, George - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Can’t wait for the defense to get Joe and Valerie on the stand under oath.
They’re already squirming!
Hank
What does Joe Wilson have to do with Scooby Libby lying to a Grand Jury, Hank?
For that matter, what does Valerie Plame have to with it, too?
What’s wrong with stepping back and letting the process run its course. If the truth comes out, everyone wins. I care less which party “wins”- the truth is what’s important and needed!
All the sniping is irrelevent.
Some Libs get absolutely tickled when the casualty reports come in.
Some Neocons choose to ignore the casualty reports because things are going so well in Iraq for the US.
Hey Tracy who is this Jack you keep quoting? Is that you?
And why can’t Jack speak for himself here?
And what the heck is MSM?
I have to agree with you fleettwood about Liberals waving death statistics around like macabre banner of justification for their cause. I think the only ones that should hoist that banner are those who actually have someone in the fight and has fallen in battle.
If all of the 3000+ parents, brothers or sisters want to hold that banner, then they should do so. If they want to become like Cindy Sheehan then do so. However, for someone else to wave that macabre banner around for political purposes goes beyond any justification that I can think of.
If a Congressman or Senator took the initiative to contact each and everyone of the families that lost someone and had their permission to represent them, then that would be good.
But for someone, who only use the figure to make their point, then their position is hollow and the only representation they offer is one of division.
If someone is going to represent the dead, then they need to make a full commitment and not use it for personal or public gain.
WOW Judgemental much XXX?
“Your generation wants everything handed to you.”?
Uh no at 41 I and the younger folks would just like some glimpse of the America you older folks taught us about in school. All that crap about the American dream and that?
Interesting claim about casualties, Eier. So, because my son is 19 and hasn’t not joined the military yet disqualifies me from quoting the statistics as a debate point?
Interesting.
So, because I did NOT put up all $677 billion for the war means I can’t use the debate point either?
Interesting.
So, now the right wing is claiming that unless we are PERSONALLY affected in a direct manner by the War on Iraq, we cannot argue against the war?
Interesting.
But that brings me to another point - if what you are claiming is true, why does the Right attack Cindy Sheehan for her anti-war activities?
“for someone else to wave that macabre banner around for political purposes goes beyond any justification that I can think of.”
From wikiPolitics is the process by which groups make decisions. Although the term is generally applied to behavior within governments, politics is observed in all human (and many non-human) group interactions, including corporate, academic, and religious institutions. In general, politics can be considered the art of navigating through tensions among multiple “I”s and the “we” to achieve collectively desired results.
Please note the above post by ws.I disagree with and refute his comments.Please note, he does not refute my comments.
If I recall, it is the lefties on this blog who require being in the military or at least have a child in the service to be allowed to comment.Remember?
This is totally off subject,why haven’t these “fine” journalists posted a thread,comment,or blog about the proposed legislation to prolong child support until age 23?
If a kid is in school, why not? You’d probably still be supporting them if you were married to their other parent.
“If a kid is in school, why not?”
Nonsense. This is just another way to slap people that are viewed as lesser - they cannot defend themselves.
BTW - I received custody of my son when he was two - he’s nineteen now - and I never received even a dime of support from my ex.
JR
So you don’t see the american dream as viable? Can you be anything you want? Do you have choices in life? Are opportunities available to you that you could pursue?
What exactly is the american dream you can’t have?
I’m saddened that you fell this way and intrigued
Clark, that’s a very good question. I realize that the thread has progressed but I’ll try to answer for you anyway.
Part of every perjury charge has to do with relevence and motive.
Motive? What motive does Scooter have to lie to a grand jury? If the defense can prove that there was no reason to lie then the charge of perjury becomes less believable.
It is a proven fact that Wilson has lied consistantly from the very beginning. He was a vocal opponent of the Iraq war. His wife was a vocal opponent of the war and Bush’s policies. Joe’s whole purpose was to make the famous “sixteen words” in the president’s SOTU address appear to be a lie. We know now that they were the truth and that Wilson lied to the Senate committee concerning the Niger yellow cake that Saddam was trying to buy.
Now the MSM makes a big deal about the Whitehouse trying to discredit Wilson. Well, DUH! Here’s a man that is actively going about telling lies to damage the president’s Iraq policies and they’re trying to discredit him! Good. If they can show that Wilson is a lier and that the Whitehouse had every right and even the responsibility to get the truth out then the motive ofr Libby to lie goes away.
Relevence. For a person to be guilty of perjury the lie has to be relevent. The prosecuter new the ’so-called-leaker’ even before Libby testified. If the defense can show that the prosecuter was on a witch hunt long after he knesw who the witch was then all of the testimony of Libby was irrelevent to the so called investigation that the prosecuter was conducting.
The lies of Joe Wilson and the complicity of his wife are key to the defense. We have no crime and the only victim is Libby and the truth.
Hank
AmerDad and Mary, while I understand both your posts, factually the income of both parents is taken into account when establishing need for finanacial aid in most, if not all, programs, whether or not there is a divorce so long as at least one of them claims the student as a dependent on their 1040. The age when this cuts off, unless the student can show s/he has been living independently of the parents for >1 year, is 23.
Based upon this, I think the statute is not needed; there will be an expected “family contribution” from both parents, as well as the student, if s/he is enrolled in school and receiving need-based financial aid.
It seems to me that the proposed bill merely shifts dollars between the parties, and offers no realistic difference as to payment of college attendance costs, when need-based aid is involved.
While the non-custodial parent may well decline to pay for college for the student, and it may be argued that being forced to pay child support results in at least some of the cost being borne by such parent, it is the student who is hurt here, both by being required to work as well as the amount of loan indebtedness accrued and to be repaid post-graduation. There is, after all, no legal obligation upon parents to pay for a college education for their children, at least since the “age of majority” was reduced to 18.
As one who had to work to make it through the 4 year undergraduate days, and burdened with student loan debt (all repaid on time), there were many things I missed due to that need which, for better or worse, I would have liked to do; classes I would have taken, but the book expense too great, etc. C’est la vie and all that.
AmerDad, I don’t see this as a way for the State to forcibly extract more $$ for its benefit, as do you. I rather suspect that the cost of child support enforcement may well outstrip any benefits received by the Court system, whether by the fee to the Court Trustee or otherwise.
State directed support of an adult enforced by the full power of the State to imprison Mom or Dad at the Courts discretion,meanwhile the State collects dollar for dollar federal funding for collections.
Comments from any parent who has ever dealt with the Court due to diminished income,injury, disability or financial reversal would be welcome.
V.T.,
An interesting post,’There is, after all, no legal obligation upon parents to pay for a college education for their children, at least since the “age of majority” was reduced to 18.’
I agree the State will not make money on this issue,but it will without question,continue the Court and State involvement in the private lives of citizens.
At some point we all have to fly from the nest and become a grown “bird.”
It certainly needs to be said that millions have been cut from college financial aid,and used in areas many Americans do not support.
My daughters’ father was never even approached by either attorney or the court to provide any assistance for a college education for any of them. It never came up. Why? Because they’re girls?
AmerDaD, as a divorced mother of four, I can honestly say that a little help from the father who helped create these children would be beneficial. This is for the child’s education and future well-being, not for the mother, except to alleviate the strain of a burden she might have to bear. Still, I doubt this legislation will pass.
I’ve never “gone after” my ex for a raise in child support. In fact, I turned down the opportunity to do so. Why? For the past 4 years he has been paying less than the court instructed. What good would a new order do?
Nor has he asked to have it reduced. I doubt he could prove a reduction in his earnings. The court doesn’t even have information on his employer. I wonder why.
Warning: Paying less isn’t getting away with something. Sooner or later, the court will catch the error and correct it.
VT,
You’re correct. Child support is based on the earnings of both parents. It’s my understand that the calculating of it is complicated, so most Family Law attorneys use special software these days to do it.
RD, it’s not all that complicated, believe it or not; at least not for one, as I, who holds a degree in Accounting. While I don’t practice Family Law, I do assist colleagues with the computations, from time to time.
As to the college education assistance with your ex; again, not a Family Law practitioner, and without knowledge of the date of the divorce, but I can say that such provision needs to be within a Property Settlement Agreement, executed by the parties, as there is no legal obligation on the part of either parent to provide any education to a child, once the child has graduated from high school and is an adult.
Bob HopeMay 29, 1903 - July 27, 2003
ON TURNING 70 “You still chase women, but only downhill”.
ON TURNING 80 “That’s the time of your life when even your birthday suit needs pressing.”
ON TURNING 90 “You know you’re getting old when the candles cost more than the cake.”
ON TURNING 100 ” I don’t feel old. In fact I don’t feel anything until noon. Then it’s time for my nap.”
ON GIVING UP HIS EARLY CAREER, BOXING “I ruined my hands in the ring … the referee kept stepping on them.”
ON NEVER WINNING AN OSCAR “Welcome to the Academy Awards or, as it’s called at my home, ‘Passover’.”
ON GOLF “Golf is my profession. Show business is just to pay the green fees.”
ON PRESIDENTS ” I have performed for 12 presidents and entertained only six.”
ON WHY HE CHOSE SHOWBIZ FOR HIS CAREER ” When I was born, the doctor said to my mother, ‘Congratulations. You have an eight-pound ham’.”
ON RECEIVING THE CONGRESSIONAL GOLD MEDAL “I feel very humble, but I think I have the strength of character to fight it.”
ON HIS FAMILY’S EARLY POVERTY “Four of us slept in the one bed. When it got cold, mother threw on another brother.”
ON HIS SIX BROTHERS “That’s how I learned to dance. Waiting for the bathroom.”
ON HIS EARLY FAILURES ” I would not have had anything to eat if it wasn’t for the stuff the audience threw at me.”
ON GOING TO HEAVEN “I’ve done benefits for ALL religions. I’d hate to blow the hereafter on a technicality.”
A blunt assessment on global warming, and of the proposed ’solutions’ thereto; debate he encourages while noting that the solutions proposed to date are no more than a reduction in the increase of GHGs, etc.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/we_have_no_global_warming_solu.html
Actually VT, we DO have a solution, or more corerctly a group of solutions. Thing is, they will definitely NOT be implemented. They are fast becoming draconian as we stall and delay further.
The proposals on the table will only slow the progress on the problem. Stopping it altogether will require a great deal more. That is not to say it cannot be done, I believe that it can. However, we do not ahve the will to do it.
Tue Feb 6, 4:12 PM ETWASHINGTON (Reuters) - An outspoken supporter of the Iraq war on Tuesday called for a new tax to pay for its astronomical cost as Congress opened a debate on President George W. Bush’s $2.9 trillion budget plan for next year.
Sen. Joseph Lieberman (news, bio, voting record) of Connecticut proposed a “war on terrorism tax” at a Senate hearing during which he said the Pentagon’s $622 billion defense budget proposal for fiscal 2008 threatened to crowd out funds for domestic programs.
The lawmaker, a former Democrat turned independent, favors a U.S. troop buildup in Iraq.”
I’m sure glad that Leiberman isn’t a democrat any more or I would accuse him of raising taxes.
I can’t support vouchers for private schooling -but I would support a central text repository. When I home schooled my daughter in her last two years of High School, the textbooks alone cost over $1,500.
CHECK approached me right away, but I declined, since one of the driving forces behind my daughter’s leaving school was pressure from religious fundamentalists.
To make sure all her credits would transfer to any college - I had to fork out another $2,000 for each year and sign with a private school in Michigan. I’m not complaining about the money - my kid’s worth it, but the only private schools in the area are parochial and that never would have worked for her.
A few things I learned in those two years: First, the private textbooks I purchased were FAR SUPERIOR to the public school ones. Her ACT’s soared. I found out from KU later that I wouldn’t have had to pay to link her to a private distance school because her ACT scores, alone, would have qualified her for admission, even without a formal transcript. Fine time to tell me.
The difference was phenomenal, but it didn’t come cheap. I had to ‘quit my day job,’ to pull it off. And I had to learn Calculus in order to teach it. I don’t regret it for a moment, but at the same time - a little support for those parents who simply can’t afford the educational materials would be a good idea. Just a text repository where they could borrow the needed books, or other media materials. I called the schools in the area to see if they wanted my materials when we were done, but none did. I tried to donate them to the library, but they were less than enthusiastic. I tried to sell them in a yard sale, for a couple of bucks - but no takers. Finally I sold them on Ebay - and got almost 2/3 of the original price. That was nice.
We can’t pay vouchers. However, we, as a society, are committed to educating all children within public parameters. Offering vouchers would be a fiscal disaster.
I would like to overhaul the public schools - they are truly a mess, but until that happens we all have a choice whether or not to send our kids. When we choose to pull them out - we need to foot the bill.
Now that more and more parents are home schooling, and choosing alternative schools, the public schools are beginning to offer many enticements so they can retain partial funding for the student. Many link to home schoolers for sports, they allow them to audit laboratory classes, and some public schools rent out books.
RD - kind of twist on your story happened to my niece. She is an RN - and probably one of the youngest to hold that degree. She lived in COLO with her mother (my sis) who made a modest income, but her father made a crapload. When it came time to apply to college - his income level was used - and it was determined my niece could receive NO assistance. She wanted to come to KS, study nursing and care for her elderly grandparents at the same time. No such luck. The out-of-State tuition made it impossible. Instead, she worked nights and weekends, and took a double load of classes and paid her own way. She had no choice. If she were the child of an illegal alien here in KS - she could have gotten the lower tuition, but she was just an American, so she had to make her own way. Her father didn’t contribute a dime.
But she made it - and in record time. She graduated top of her nursing class.
Now she’s here in KS - just turned 21 and the lead nurse in a hospital ward.
We can all make it - but sometimes it takes a lot of work. We just have to decide if we are worth it.
Thank you Sheri sunshine.
Child support SHOULD be revised, but not extended like this.
I’d like to see child support depend on the receiving spouse being forced to remain in the community where the father lives. She moves the support ends. Too many women just take the money and the kids and move on. A father should not have to pay for a woman to just go do what she wants.
JR - I’ve seen women get the worst end of the deal in a divorce, like my sister who thought it was a good idea to let her husband’s attorney make all the decisions so she would not have to get her own attorney - but more and more, I’ve seen men screwed over by the courts.
On the one hand - if the woman moves, the man is left paying -but never being able to see his kids. That’s not fair. But on the flip side, he is still their dad, and I think most dads (not all) would still want to help their children.
A growing, and disturbing trend is that some divorced women are coaching the kids to announce that daddy ‘touched’ them, when they all know it is a blatant lie. I’m sure passions and anger run high - but that’s deplorable. Not only is the man kept from his kids, but society looks down upon him - even if he is found to be innocent later.
I’m not sure about forcing either spouse to stay, but if one wants to leave, and they have joint custody- the other should be allowed to have the kids. The parent who is staying - shouldn’t be penalized.
But one other thing strikes me as just plain wrong when it comes to child support. Why is an outside agency allowed to take part of the kid’s money? If the judge ordered a set amount - that is what the kid should get - part of it should not line an attorney’s pocket.
But that is what happens in my county. All child support goes through an attorney who keeps some for his service.
GS
The folks who write our laws ALWAYS leave room for their future employment!
The false accusations of molestation you mention? Yeah that is one reason I am hesitant about overdoing it on punishment for sex offenders.You get a vindictive woman and she can hang that stigma on an innocent man for life.
GS what about the fathers who are coaching their kids to tell them their mommy’s new touched them?
Why is it always the woman’s fault with you!?
If you make it so that women who have joint custody have to stay- you could be putting them at risk if they were abused. Getting far far away from my dad was my mom’s best move ever. Just add another way a man can control what his ex does.
What if, like a friend of mine, the man is a drunk in jail, and she has to take the kids to move back in with her parents 3 states away?
You just don’t think the ramifications through sometimes.
that was supposed to say mommy’s new boyfriend.
VT I read today in USA today, that kids coming back home and living under their parents roof is getting more common because it’s so much harder to make it.
Maybe we need to once again, increase the time kids can be supported by the parents financially and claimed on taxes & child support.
This is Hank responding to my post regarding the Libby trial and Joe Wilson.
“We know now that they were the truth”
Joe, the sixteen words have proven to be very false - even Bush and Cheney have admitted that they were wrong, so why are you know trying to say that they were true?
And Joe, don’t trot out the 500 tons of uranium story from WND. That uranium was found after the FIRST Gulf War and had been under lock and key by the IAEA since 1992.
No story there.
As opposed to Heckler’s nothing, here’s something:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/07/MNGISO03RI1.DTL&feed=rss.news
Former White House official Lewis “Scooter” Libby told a grand jury in 2004 that Vice President Dick Cheney was upset by an ambassador’s public questioning of the Iraq war and that President Bush, Cheney and Libby were involved in a plan — kept secret from other senior White House officials — to leak previously classified intelligence to counter the criticism.
Libby’s audiotape testimony, played for jurors in federal court here, offered new details about how the White House orchestrated a campaign to discredit the Iraq war critic, Ambassador Joseph Wilson. His wife, undercover CIA operative Valerie Wilson, also known by her maiden name Plame, was subsequently exposed in the media, triggering a criminal investigation.
As Libby sat silently in the courtroom, jurors heard his voice describe how he was instructed to leak intelligence secrets to selected reporters, even as other White House officials were expressing concern over the leaks and debating whether the administration should formally declassify intelligence reports on Iraq to combat criticism of the case for war.
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Libby’s remarks came during a day in court devoted entirely to playing audiotapes of the former Cheney aide’s grand jury testimony, allowing jurors to listen to the defendant’s voice as he made statements prosecutors have labeled lies.
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The tapes offer an intriguing window into the reaction within the White House to mounting criticism of its case for war with Iraq, as well as a chance to witness Fitzgerald’s method as he sparred with Libby during eight hours of grand jury testimony.
Libby can be heard describing how Cheney was upset when Wilson went public with allegations that the White House had twisted intelligence to make the case for war. In an op-ed article, Wilson said he had been sent to investigate a key claim — that Iraq was seeking uranium from the African nation of Niger — and found it untrue, months before President Bush included the allegation in his 2003 State of the Union speech.
“It was a serious accusation,” Libby said. “It was a very serious attack.” It also quickly became a “topic that was discussed on a daily basis” in the White House.
Libby said that Cheney “thought we should get some of these facts out to the press. He then undertook to get permission from the president to talk about this” to reporters.
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This is what we true American patriots been saying all along. Not because we hate Bush (we do), but because it is entirely consistent with the need for Team Bush to win at all costs.
Sliming and slandering McCain in the primaryGenerating the “I invented the internet” lie that dogged GoreStopping the recount in FloridaDestroying bipartisan Tom DaschleSliming and slandering quadraplegic war hero Max ClelandSwift boating KerryThe Obama madrasah Lie
It’s just so typical of a vindictive Bush payback.
Al Gore’s ambigious “lock box” did as much harm as “I invented the internet.”
P_Mom, the issue of “rebound kids”, as I recall the term, has been around for a while. However, extending the age for child support isn’t going to happen without changing the age when one becomes an adult, namely 18 at present (exceptions, of course for alcohol and certain other stuff). Bluntly, the decision to come home is being made by a legal adult; the parents have no legal obligation to support them, although most will provide a home for them.
A public policy issue: should a legal obligation of support for an adult child be placed upon parents, and, if so, what should the age be when the obligation ends?
“The Truth”
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What are you doing using a nic like that when you perpetuate the old line about Al Gore saying he invented the internet?
You either have been living in a mine shaft or you have the IQ of wool.
Gore said he took the initiative in helping the internet be made accessible to the general public.
And that IS the truth.
Does anyone have a copy of yesterday or the day before’s Wichita Eagle?
I need someone to look up some info- please email me.
I’m sure Gene has to fight away that urge to sleep that sexy guy he works with to maintain that good Christian purity of heterosexual marriage. You know, because it’s such a hard choice to make.
Posted by: political_mom
Well mom, now according to you I supposedly have some closet homosexual tendencies. If thats true, are my BELIEFS now where they should be to be considered correct by you.
Then I take it mom, that if you are so concerned with the minority having the say over the majority, that you would support NAMBLA and what they feel their RIGHTS are?
How about me having sex with a 7 year old? Shouldn’t be any problem with that.
If girls 13 and under are allowed to have abortions without parental notification, then why isn’t the law changed to allow sex between adults and 13 year olds. If the 13 year old has the right to an abortion without parent notification and supposedly the MATURITY to handle that decision on her own, then she should have the MATURITY to have sex with adults and the adults not go to prison.
I mean I’m in the minority here, ALL should bow to my what I believe my rights should be.
Thanks VT!
Gene we are talking adult, consensual sex. If you can’t differentiate between someone taking advantage of a child, and someone who has a physiological need to love one of the same sex, man I don’t know what to tell you.
Kids having sex with other kids and within a certain age range should not be criminal. It happens ALL the time. Physically their bodies are saying go, and girls do mature faster than boys.
Girls cannot choose to have an abortion without parental consent- they can be forced to give birth no matter how they feel about it- you’re correct about that- but they CAN choose to keep their babies and raise them even if the parents don’t want that. There are double standards everywhere.
Please stay on topic instead of trying to compare apples to oranges.
How would you feel if your marriage to your wife was always compared to pedophilia?
Geno?
Political mom did not indict you as a closet homosexual.
YOU did.
YOU and those like you that maintain that homosexuality is a choice indict EVERYONE with having homosexual tendencies. The suggestion being that most just tend not to exercise those tendencies.
Harvard proposes changes to its curriculum and gen ed requirements. From what I can understand (I couldn’t have been admitted there even as a janitor), looks like to me a positive.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/02/07/harvard.reut/index.html
There was a study done a few years ago that concluded the average age for offspring to leave home PERMANENTLY was 27.
They might leave for college early on, or have a job for a few years, but many end up going home again, more than once.
I think that’s fabulous for a University.
All bullshit capn,
Sliming and slandering McCain in the primary
There is not and never was any evidence linking the so-called push poll in South Carolina to the Bush campaign. In fact reasonalble people now beleive that it may ahve been a campaign ploy of McCain’s. No hard evidence as to the extent of the poll. Just McCain’s crying. McCain lost South Carolina not because he wrote off the Christian right, he lost South Carolina because he actively attacked them in his speaches.Generating the “I invented the internet” lie that dogged Gore
No connection to the Bush Campaign. Only reason such a statement would get any traction is because Algore is such an egocentric idiot.
Stopping the recount in Florida
Bush didn’t stop the recount in Florida. Bush welcomed a recount…of the whole state. Nt just the heavily democratic four counties that Gore was pushing for. In violation of Florida law, by the way.
Destroying bipartisan Tom Daschle
This statement is too stupid to respond to! Where did you get this crap?
Sliming and slandering quadraplegic war hero Max Cleland
No connection to the Bush administration. None. Just because a few right wing pundits bring up the actual circumstances of Max’s injuries doesn’t mean you can blame Bush.
Swift boating Kerry
Again, not connected to the Bush campaign. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth had every right to participate is the process. Kerry lost because he didn’t think he needed t respond to them. Probably because he had no response for the truth!
The Obama madrasah Lie
Put out by the Billary war room! ’nuff said!
So, that’s all you got capn? A bunch of debunked lftwing whines?
Well I guess that’s easier than entering the debate with actual ideas and facts.
Hank
GS,
At least once a year here in Wichita, there’s a fair for parents who homeschool. Used textbooks are often available at a reduced price, among many other things offered.
If anyone knows of someone who might be interested in the above, my email is live. I don’t have the info, but I can contact someone who does.
I keep forgetting to post this…
Welcome back, Mary! How was your holiday? Warm, I bet. *grin*
“Probably because he had no response for the truth!”
Since the 2004 campaign, the Swift Boaters have been proven to be completely incorrect - out and out liars - hence the development of the term swiftboating.
But don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story, Hank.
bob Perry has known karl rove for 26 years
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5844156/Updated: 6:00 p.m. CT Aug 27, 2004HOUSTON - The chief financial backer of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and its television ad challenging Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry’s military record is a wealthy Texas homebuilder known for his deep pockets and aversion to the limelight.
Bob J. Perry, 71, provided at least $100,000 to help start the veterans group at the urging of his friend John O’Neill, a Houston attorney who co-wrote “Unfit for Command,” a book which attacks Kerry’s military record.
Perry donates generously to conservative causes in Texas and across the nation, but public records reflect little effort to gain the ear of politicians he’s helped elect.
John O’Neill is one veteran I would HAPPILY spit on, cold cock, or kick in the nuts. That wretched little squeaky voiced prick has made John Kerry his personal obsession since the early 70’s.
My intention is not to give credence to nor perpetuate “I invented the internet” story.However in my quest to bring The Truth to WE Blog, I am pointing out that his ambigious “lock box” did more to harm his campaign that the “invented the internet” story.
Hank I know it is lonely to be ‘right’ on this blog but don’t let the lefties run you off. I can only take them for short periods because I can only tolerate ignorance in small doses.
By the way WS in the link about what the defense will present in the Libby trial I found an interesting sentence.
“What does the new information mean? On February 12, 2002, the Defense Intelligence Agency released — inside the government, not publicly — a report covering the Africa uranium issue;”
Re: inside the government. Contrary to the left view the CIA doesn’t report directly to the major leftist networks, CNN and MSNBS. Some information is kept SECRET. I know I couldn’t believe they would do something this underhanded either but life goes on. Before you spend the next hour asking me to explain my post refer back to your last night posts.
Bob J. Perry, 71
Hmmmmm… Any relation to Texas Governor Rick Perry?
“Some information is kept SECRET.”
Obviously not from submarine crew members.
Germie, can you spot me a dime of what you have been smoking?
RD are you stupid or do you just want to act that way? Our military men and women are moving all over the globe on a daily basis and they don’t clear it with network news. I didn’t know for several years where he had been during that time myself. He was a nuclear technician on a Trident sub and they went under for 6 months at a time. I had absolutely no contact with him during those months. Instant news has dumbed down the lefties so that they are practically hopless. I did actually hear one of them say we should elect the president from West Wing once. Reality is very refreshing. I don’t have to use drugs as a crutch like others I know. I don’t/didn’t smoke pot or anything else.
Dear Hank,
“Generating the “I invented the internet” lie that dogged Gore
No connection to the Bush Campaign. Only reason such a statement would get any traction is because Algore is such an egocentric idiot.”———So Bush NEVER used the “invented” line? He did not say “invented the calculator” during a debate?
Hank, WHAT convinced you that Gore is such an “egocentric idiot”?
Was it ‘Love Story’, farm chores versus “fancy” hotel, and Love Canal? All BS, generated and pushed by the RNC, and/or “liberal”(sic) MSM.
Or perhaps the later errors the RNC caught, by checking EVERYTHING Gore said, against a computer database of his past speeches, and facts?Which of course the RNC feed directly to the “liberal”(sic) MSM, who happily spread it.
NO one (especially Bush) could undergo that amount of nit-picking scrutiny without errors being found.
And Hank, you get bonus points if you believe ‘Love Canal’ proves Gore is “egocentric”.
Gore said: “Had the first hearing on that issue and Toone, Tennessee — that was the one that you didn’t hear of. But that was the one that started it all.”
He’d earlier said that a Toone high school girl had sent him a letter re toxic waste in their farm well water. He gave HER the CREDIT for starting the Superfund.
But Hank’s “liberal” MSM misquoted Gore: “I was the one that started it all.” Some even “corrected” his grammar: “I was the one WHO started it all.”
It’s very sad how easy it is for the RNC, and a dysfunctional MSM to con Americans.
‘INVENTING INVENTED THE INTERNET! No one said Boo about Gore’s remark. Then, the RNC spin-points arrived:’http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120302.shtml
Quote of the Day:
“There comes a time in every honest man’s life when he feels the needto hoist the black flag and start slicing throats.”H.L. Menken
Viva La Revolucion Blanco!!
ksgrm,
What does smoking dope have to do with the secrets you keep talking about? Sorry to disappoint you, hon, I don’t do drugs…even prescription, except for an ocassional ibuprofen. And I haven’t done them in the past, either, so don’t bother going there.
I have nothing against your son or any other service member. I know and have known many. I respect their service, but that doesn’t mean that I also don’t know a little about human nature.
Have you ever played the game Gossip? Sometimes called Telephone? Are you aware of how one small comment can change when passed from one person to the next? I’m not calling your son a liar, but unless he was personally involved in the U.S.S. Cole or the investigation in a high end position, why should I take his word as gospel, passed down through you?
Just as we have troops who report that we’re doing wonderful things in Iraq, we also have those who say it’s a living hell for everyone. I rely on their reports far more than I do the MSM. But who of the two is right? There’s no way of knowing except to go there and see for myself, therefore, I suspect it’s a little of both, depend on where you are and what your job entails.
Ksgm, keep in mind when arguing with an idiot, it is difficult to tell the difference.
Thank you “The Truth”!!!
I heard that bit of blather on the Rush Limbaugh show too!
Maybe you should change your nic to “The dittohead”?
PM wrote:—-”What if, like a friend of mine, the man is a drunk in jail, and she has to take the kids to move back in with her parents 3 states away?”————
Give me a break, PM, you and I have had this discussion in one form or another for the past two years and you never make sense.
If the man is in jail - I doubt he is paying child support - OR being allowed visitation rights. The mother needs to see the judge before moving to get his blessing.
Dad’s who don’t pay - don’t get to see the kids.
And yes, daddy can be the one coaching the kids to tattle on the new daddy - but it STILL works the same way - we need to quit believing everything that a child blurts out without proper evidence. Children are easy targets when an adult wants to use them as pawns. It shouldn’t EVER happen.
But we MUST advocate for equality in divorces. We can’t logically swing all favor towards the mother - when the children ALSO have a father.
This is EXACTLY the kind of reasoning which keeps me from supporting NOW and other militant feminist groups.
It’s the children who suffer.
RD - thanks for the information. Many home schooled parents could likely benefit from it.
JR - you hit a nerve with me about the sexual predator’s registration list.
PM knows this story - but I’ll share it with you - minus the names.
A ‘big shot’ in our little community pressed charges against a 14 year old boy for attempted rape concerning his 14 year old daughter. The father had found a note the girl wrote to a college girl detailing the ‘crime.’
I didn’t know what was happening until Private Detectives ‘found me.’ The girl in question was my own daughter’s best friend and I knew of the note - she had informed me months before how her dad had found it. I asked her then if it was true - she responded that she made it up so the college girl would pay attention to her.
My daughter and I ended up being subpoenaed to testify for the defense. It was a mess. I told the DA beforehand what happened - and he was distressed, but pushed on - knowing he couldn’t win the case. As I said - the father of the girl was a ‘big shot.’ Politics were in play.
The boy won as we all expected - but the cost to his family was tremendous! They had to sell their home to pay for the defense and they felt they had to move from our town due to all the negative talk about them and their son.
The father of the girl ALSO knew the likely outcome, but refused to drop the charges. He stood in my driveway not more than a week before trying to convince me to lie on the stand. And he’s an attorney.
If the investigators had not ‘found’ us - the boy would probably be labeled a sexual predator - for the rest of his life.
Until that happened - I didn’t know how badly the system could be twisted to frame the innocent.
We need to rethink not only the registry - but our prosecution of males under this witch-hunt umbrella.
The are strikingly similar facets to an ex-wife and a comdom—both have spent more time in your wallet than on you
Still no blog or thread on the child support issue,the Beagle must be afraid to hear and see public comment on thius issue
Im new here at the forum, just wanted to say helloSamantha
Your “hi” would fare better on one of the threads you see under recent comments there Samantha.
This thread is old.