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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Feb. 6, 2007 at 1:03 a.m.
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If you haven’t read this, do.
Text of Warner Resolution: Expressing the sense of Congress on Iraq. (Introduced in Senate)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.CON.RES.7:
and the accompanying article,Republicans block Senate debate on Iraqhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070205/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq
Note that Sens. Brownback and Roberts voted AGAINST having a full debate on the war escalation subject on the floor of the Senate, and Brownback is quoted in the Eagle as saying that he is in favor of a full debate on the subject. Republican hypocrisy, 2008 style.
I thought the Democrats had control of the House and Senate. They said so on TV. :)
“Another brick could soon fall from the Berlin Wall that surrounds America’s failing public schools, as Utah’s legislature considers what would be the first universally available statewide voucher program in America. … As usual, local school boards and the state teachers union (the Utah Education Association) are fighting the idea, claiming that it will ‘drain’ money from public schools. This hardly seems likely because the $9 million cost of the program is about 0.5% of total school spending. And the voucher maximum of $3,000 is less than half the state per child public-school spending average of $6,325. The voucher bill also allows Utah public schools to keep the difference between the voucher amount paid out to students who leave and the $6,325 per pupil average. … ‘For the unions, this vote is about protecting their monopoly,’ House Speaker Greg Curtis says.”
If you want to send your kid to a private school, use private, not public funds. What is so hard to understand about that?
Eier, Are you just being (_?_) or don’t you know how the Senator works?
Brownback, Hagel and Warner Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop. See the Repugs do it too.
I don’t know kscitydude, what do you think?
You name three people out of 100, do you know how the Senate works?
Eier,
I guess from your reply, you don’t know how the Congress works.
kscitydude,
And what would bring you to that conclusion?
That I simply don’t agree with you?
That’s how the liberal mind works isn’t it?
Anyone who disagrees doesn’t understand or some other detrimental category of mental acuity.
Pat Roberts is so scared he can’t win re-election he has lowered himself to talking to the Kansas Legislature. Pat’s telling them how the National Bio & Agro Defense Facility be a great economic boon to Kansas if it is built here. Pat, your power is gone. The Democrats who run Congress will decide which state gets this great economic boon. Not Pat Roberts!
Eier,
Well Dud, I guess I arrived at that conclusion because you didn’t answer the question.
“Eier, Are you just being (_?_) or don’t you know how the (Senator) Senate works?”
Would please point out in my post where I disagreed with you.
From the NewsMax.com StaffFor the story behind the story…
Monday, Feb. 5, 2007 9:50 p.m. ESTIdea Would Require Couples to Have Kids
Proponents of same-sex marriage in Washington state have introduced a ballot measure that would require heterosexual couples to have a child within three years or have their marriages annulled.
The Washington Defense of Marriage Alliance acknowledged on its Web site that the initiative was “absurd” but hoped the idea prompts “discussion about the many misguided assumptions” underlying a state Supreme Court ruling that upheld a ban on same-sex marriage
The measure would require couples to prove they can have children to get a marriage license. Couples who do not have children within three years could have their marriages annulled.
All other marriages would be defined as “unrecognized,” making those couples ineligible for marriage benefits.
The paperwork for the measure was submitted last month. Supporters must gather at least 224,800 signatures by July 6 to put it on the November ballot.
The group said the proposal was aimed at “social conservatives who have long screamed that marriage exists for the sole purpose of procreation.”
Cheryl Haskins, executive director of Allies for Marriage and Children, said opponents of same-sex marriage want only to preserve marriage as the union of a man and a woman.
“Some of those unions produce children and some of them don’t,” she said.
The Washington Defense of Marriage Alliance should get Keith Olberman’s “Worst group in the World” award for coming up with this idea. Why can’t repugs stay out of people’s bedrooms?
If the republicons keep obstructing, we’ll just boot the rest of them in the next election too.
They just can’t freaking learn.
Must hold on to beliefs no matter how wrong.
kscitydude,
Do you eat soup with a fork or do you not understand liquids?
The above question makes as about as much sense as yours. There is not a good reason to step into that menu of tripe.
Well hell Eier, I’m still expecting you to answer my question by showing me where I disagreed with you. Guess you can’t so you come up with another (_?_) question.
And no I don’t eat soap with a fork. Do you know the procedures in the Senate?
Repubs, always duck and cover.
Resident Racist Rush Limbaugh says this on his radio show:
From the February 1 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show:
LIMBAUGH: U.S. blacks — young U.S. blacks believe in politics, according to a new study. “Many U.S. blacks are as confident” — and we’re talking about the clean ones here, folks, I must stipulate this — young, clean U.S. blacks — “believe in politics. Many young U.S. blacks are as confident as their white and Hispanic peers that they can use politics to make things better, but a majority of young blacks feel alienated from today’s government.” Why would that be? The government’s been taking care of them their whole lives.
Remember why he got fired from his football gig? Slamming black quarterbacks . . .
Good luck KC dude.Some new asshats here that only show up to piss off normal people like yourself.No facts, just over the top pissiness.
Rush isn’t stupid Capn. He wouldn’t say that.
That’s OK, though, you’ve done your little part.
Oh I do believe he did say that outie. Maybe I’ll go see if I can find it.
Rush Limbaugh is equal opportunity. He wants to debase and keep everybody down.
Tracy,
That is so true!!!!
Here is alittle something for you outlander. Rush is stupid.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200702050007
Why Jr, I thought you’d know since you “monitor” Rush. I think it’s really because you like the show, because it’s funny. Although I’m not truly sure if liberals have a funny bone. Keep “monitoring”!
Right; “media matters.org”. Where do you think the story came from? Chuckle…
Although JR, I have to admit that I did like your “Acme Sledgehammer” bit.
outlander,
The web site has a video of Rush saying this in his own words, if you are to good to go to that site, don’t come back and post wrong information.
mediamatters, moveon.org, progressivedemocrats, dailykos,slate, freerangethought.
Just who is mind numbed anywho?
We have funny bones that why we listen to Miller, who is a class act.
What exactly is being objected to on Rush’s comments?
Nobody cares what limpballs thinks.His show is just drug-fueled bloviating.
I cannot wait until that gas bag Limbaugh is forced to give equal time for truth to balance the lies he tells.
Bring back the Fairness Doctrine!!!!
What exactly is being objected to on Rush’s comments
sounds like sedition to me
I still haven’t received my answer.
Indiana’s proposal to stop its brain drain; is there something here for Kansas? $20,000 scholarship with a three-year residency requirement post-graduation.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/02/06/brain.drain.ap/index.html
I think it has problems achieving the goal stated. As is pointed out in the linked article, Indiana (much as Kansas) needs to create the jobs which will be attractive to the graduates. If there are no suitable jobs created, the grads will either: 1) do something for 3 years and then leave; of 2) leave, and pay it back.
Fleettwood, I got this from mediamatters.org.
What part of it is in error?
What is being objected to is that Rush is a racist pig.
Oh by the way, “the gov’t helps black people too much” lie is especially galling coming from this drug addict.
Rush WENT ON WELFARE for two years early in his career. I wonder if he ever paid the taxpayers’ back, no that he makes a quarter BILLION a year demeaning people who need gov’t aid.
Outlander–
I’ll bet you 500 DOLLARS that Rush said exactly that.
No wait, let’s make it 5,000 dollars.
What do you say, Mr. Personal Responsibility?
Willing to put your money where your mouth is or are you going to just admit you were wrong about Rush being stupid?
Yeah, Rush Limbaugh…wasn’t he the guy that told a black caller to “take the bone out of his nose” a few years back?
Yeah, I am pretty sure that I am right on that one…..
Hmmmmmm……
I guess to SOME people that really doesn’t sound racist.
I just listened to it off a podcast. What Limbaugh said was intended to a tongue in cheek parody to Biden’s problem comment.
What did I say earlier about liberals and a sense of humor?
Liberals have no sense of Humor? but 99% of comedians are themselves liberals
Vote Rush for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Okay, Outlander, you’re just a gd liar, now.
Biden said nothing about “blacks living off the gov’t”–that was entirely RushBo.
From now on, you shall be called “out&outliar.”
Caught out in a mistake and doesn’t have the guts to admit it.
Yup, he’s a RepubliCON.
Outlander,I heard it on the podcast, too. It was hilarious. Clearly, the liberals have no sense of humor.
Besides, now you’re changing the excuse for Rush.
Before, you said that Rush would be INCAPABLE of making such a statement.
The way you people just f***ing lie is physically sickening.
You’re a puke.
You know what’s funny, GoofNut?
What’s in your hand . . .
I bet at least one of Rush’s maids is black. Clearly he’s promoting the blackro-American gang.
I’m all for requiring couples to procreate within 3 years to be able to have marital benefits. What a fabulous idea.
Make the fundies and bigots put their money where their mouth is.
Oh good grief Capn. You guys pretend to get offended at the drop of a hat. I can just see the lib tape machine going 3 hours a day 5 days a week, just waiting to see if a few words would run together that they could use. Pathetic.
capn-If Rush makes a quarter billion a year, that means he pays, what, over an eighth billion in taxes? I think he’s paid back the welfare people.
That idea is absurd. It would only bring more backlash to the pro-homo crowd.
It is disappointing that you do not admit and acknowledge your mistake outlander.
Rush Limbaugh is a pig.
PMom-The procreation in order to marry is in theory a good one. But there are some underlying factors where it can bite you in the rear.What about those who are trying but having difficulty carrying to term or getting pregnant?orSterility – either natural or medically inducedAlready have kids and don’t want morepast the age of reproduction
I don’t think it should really matter if a couple can procreate. If they love each other enough to make a life long commitment to each other it don’t matter if your blue, pink, purple, polka dotted, gay or straight.I would prefer to see a hefty fine imposed for dissolution of marriage without good cause. (Good cause being along the lines of death of a partner, abuse(physical, mental, emotional, financial…)).People need to take marriage seriously and see it for a long term commitment not eh, if it doesn’t work out I can always divorce.
Yup, JR.
The “responsibility party” is only concerned about OTHERS taking responsiblity.
If they make mistakes, they don’t even have to acknowledge them.
Because, after all, they make mistakes for the right-reasons. Liberals, even when they are right, are right for the wrong reasons.
It’s a way of thinking that always justifies your side and always condemns the other side, and it’s wholly independent of pesky facts.
What could be better.
Classic! Forced pregnancy & birth for the pro-life crowd. Can’t get much better than that. Then again, maybe a law to snip the tip of any man over, say, six inches, might top it.
Tongue-in-cheek is wonderful!
That’s a good one Capn. What a hoot! You, of all people, trying to call someone out for lying??? You, who set the standard for denial of the obvious?????????????????????????????????????????????Sorry, I couldn’t stop laughing.
Did I not admit that Rush said what he said. I told you I listened to it. The transcript is not phony. It is you though that try to phony up the — “and we’re talking about the clean ones here, folks, I must stipulate this — young, clean U.S. blacks — “believe in politics”; knowing that it was a reference to Biden. Very disingenuous of you.
Julie, The idea is to show what hypocrites the fundies who pushed for the gay marriage amendment truly are.
Of course a law like that would not pass. But I think it should be brought forth as many claimed this was the biblical reason for man/woman marriages- for the sake of kids.
Nevermind that some marriages are the worst for kids, nevermind that some people are sterile and can’t reproduce ( I guess God thinks they can’t be good parents and by adopting or invitro are defying god’s will).
But look at it this way- if couples were forced to have a child or lose their spousal benefits, maybe adoptions in that third year would go up?
I shudder to think what the ramifications of that would be. But this is what the fundies believe is God’s will- marriage for procreation.
Fundies are nuts.
Must hold on to beliefs no matter how wrong.
Posted by: political_mom
Well I read the rest of the post to see if mom retracted this and didn’t see it, so I guess, that means that if I have beliefs, which I do AND they do not match mom’s, then I am wrong.
If this doesn’t show how off kiltered the left is then I don’t know what to tell you.
Want the border laws of the U.S. enforced = RACIST
Have nothing against gay people, but want marriage between a man and a woman = HOMOPHOBIC
Want persons to take responsibility for their own actions instead of the government from cradle to grave = HATER
Would like to see babies not be killed simply because it is an “inconvenience” = WOMAN HATER
Stand behind the troops and the commander in chief in front of our enemies = WAR MONGER
Electorial college shows that a Republican won = VOTER FRAUD
Democrats win the majority of Congress = NO MORE VOTER FRAUD
Liberal goes to a college to speak and nothing happens = FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS
Conservative goes to a college to speak and is attacked or has things thrown on or at them = FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF THE ATTACKER
No one makes you read here Gene.
Next?
Oh and Geno?
“Have nothing against gay people, but want marriage between a man and a woman = HOMOPHOBIC
How is it having nothing against gay people to deny them a right that you have?
I’m sure Gene has to fight away that urge to sleep that sexy guy he works with to maintain that good Christian purity of heterosexual marriage. You know, because it’s such a hard choice to make.
Saw sunflower community action in Topeka today. What a bunch of losers. They were obnoxiously loud, yelling and hollaring in the capitol showing absolutely no respect for the Legislature. They were rudely shoving and pushing their way thru the hallways, and yes, they left their trash behind again.
What a bunch of no class rabble.
Sunflower Community Action?
I believe I’ve heard about this group. Is this the one that advocated onboard cameras for cop cars? Or is that another group?
raptor
I am sure the residents up on Volutia street have a rather different opinion of Sunflower.
Oh raptor?
How much respect and decorum did the kooks who were bussed in to disrupt the Florida recount show that process?
that would be them, Joe. They are demanding cameras…but have no clue how to pay for them. This is also the group that went to George Kolb’s house (when he wasn’t home) to protest and left their trash there.
I know somebody that her husband is with that Sunflower Group. I’ve heard them throwing trash and all and harrasing Kolb’s wife, but I don’t think that is the offical stance of the Sunflower Group.
If anything, it’s just a bunch of strangling along leftist who have nothing else to do and do not represent the Sunflower Group, but as we know about leftist, they tend to be out-of-work people looking for something stupid to do.
You know Pmom I read your posts and every now and again think you might have a brain. But then you go and prove me wrong everytime. Stop judging everyone by your opinions. That’s what your words are. Opinions. Not facts. Get it.
Really grm, how many women have you wrought over sleeping with lately?
I don’t know, JR. I wasn’t there to see that first hand. I did see the display today, however. It was totally disrepectful of the Legislature and everyone in the capitol. I am not making things up when I say they were pushing people out of their way and disrupting state business.
Pmom as ususal your lack of skill at writing or some lack has turned your post into something that has no relevance to the topic and just simply makes no sense.
Oh, and JR, are you saying two wrongs make a right?
Sunflower Action had a legitimte beef against the rightist represented by another rightist attorney who oned that big trash dump in NE Wichita. Those rightists were totally disrespective of the rights of the neighborhoods.
Joe, I would think you would know more about those working people trying to protect their neighborhood from those rightists.
Is it really so hard to keep up with the thread gram?
If Bush is found to be trying to get Iran to attack us, what will we do?
We cannot allow him to stay in office, and I mean he must be removed immediately.
Will Republicans vote to remove him?
Pmom I would like to carry on a dialogue with you but what in the world does this sentence mean.
“Really grm, how many women have you wrought over sleeping with lately?”
Wrought means to create, form, fashion… Do you get the drift. Make sense and stay on topic. You get so caught up with your leftie cronies that good sense goes out the window.
It’s like you throw these one line zingers out and they make absolutely no sense and then you want someone to follow your logic. Quit patting yourselves on the back and respond with something answerable.
Ben! I’m sure they do.
Just the tatics the leftist have about harrasing the Manager’s wife, tresspassing, littering and from what raptor said about them shoving people at the capital, the leftist do not deserve any sympathy for their tatics.
The Sunflower Group is ok in my book. It’s just the straggling leftist, for which the Sunflower Group doesn’t want the out-of-work leftist representing them or their agenda who are causeing the problems.
But it’s typical of the left. They have no respect for the rule of law.
Gram you do realize words have more than one meaning right?
also can mean: Synonyms 1. Work, drudgery, labor, toil refer to exertion of body or mind in performing or accomplishing something
Joe?
Oh and raptor?
Are you familiar with the phrase “the squeaky wheel gets the grease”?
Oh I forgot. You are rightists. You employ grease where you should use toilet paper!
Some of the more dignified? Well we aint into bending over and saying “thanks may I have another?”
To make this more clear, how many women have you toiled with your mind over sleeping with lately….
To make this more clear, how many women have you toiled in your mind over sleeping with lately….
Oh gosh, no, JR, I have NEVER heard that clever phrase. You must be a genius, did you invent it all by yourself?
Yes, the squeeky wheel is an appropriate cliche in some places. In this case, their actions were counterproductive. I was in an office with some legislators when the noise erupted, and the response I heard was less than what the group would hope for.
Additionally, there is absolutely no excuse for the rude behavior of pushing and shoving people out of their way.
Futhermore, their littering of the capitol building by leaving their home made signs laying around is disgusting.
This sunflower group showed a total lack of respect for the Legislature and due process. They broke the law by littering, and by assaulting people with their rude pushing and shoving. They disrupted state business and created more enemies than they did friends. I was there and saw it, JR. You weren’t. Go ahead and defend what you didn’t see. Make excuses for their behavior. The fact is they were disruptive and counterproductive to their cause. They made sure that whatever they were supporting will never get the light of day.
Geez, listen to the righties kiss the ass of the government they must what a medal or something. Why not disrupt the Legs. their not doing anything productive anyways, the clients at Starkey have more common sense and intelligence that 99% of the state Reps.
I’m sure Gene has to fight away that urge to sleep that sexy guy he works with to maintain that good Christian purity of heterosexual marriage. You know, because it’s such a hard choice to make.
Posted by: political_mom
Well mom, now according to you I supposedly have some closet homosexual tendencies. If thats true, are my BELIEFS now where they should be to be considered correct by you.
Then I take it mom, that if you are so concerned with the minority having the say over the majority, that you would support NAMBLA and what they feel their RIGHTS are?
How about me having sex with a 7 year old? Shouldn’t be any problem with that.
If girls 13 and under are allowed to have abortions without parental notification, then why isn’t the law changed to allow sex between adults and 13 year olds. If the 13 year old has the right to an abortion without parent notification and supposedly the MATURITY to handle that decision on her own, then she should have the MATURITY to have sex with adults and the adults not go to prison.
I mean I’m in the minority here, ALL should bow to my what I believe my rights should be.