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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Feb. 28, 2007 at 1:05 a.m.
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Bush the Decider, or the Flip-Flopper?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070228/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq;_ylt=AudOgL2yo2nj9Y1drkQNdS3MWM0F
WASHINGTON – In a diplomatic turnabout, the Bush administration will join anIraq-sponsored “neighbors meeting” withIran andSyria, Secretary of StateCondoleezza Rice said Tuesday.
It marked a change of approach by the United States, which has resisted calls by members of Congress and by a bipartisan Iraq review group to include Iran and Syria in talks designed to stabilize Iraq.
…
Is Journalistic Integrity DEAD?
[quote]” On Friday, we reported that 51-year-old Charles Rust-Tierney, an attorney and former head of the ACLU in Virginia, was arrested and charged in federal court with possessing child pornography. Agents found videos in his home of little girls being violently raped by adults.
We said we’d report back to you today on which news organizations covered the story and which did not. The two biggest left-wing outfits in the country, “The New York Times” and NBC News, ignored the story entirely. CBS News, CNN, and most of the big city liberal newspapers also failed to cover the Rust-Tierney arrest. ABCnews.com and the Associated Press did cover. And because it happened in their backyard, “The Washington Post” ran a brief story in its second section, essentially burying the entire thing.”(end quote)
http://newsbusters.org/node/11089
Sad, isn’t it? When those who take pleasure in the rape of little girls belong to the liberal mindset – the media will go out of its way to protect them. What about the so-called ‘rights’ of the little girls?
Shameful.
At long last, Cheney finally has a war story to tell!
“But an Associated Press analysis of test scores reported under No Child Left Behind shows Metro-Boulevard school considers none of its students’ test scores by racial subgroups. Neither do four other alternative or special schools in this city.
In Kansas, those schools are exempted under a loophole that excludes the scores of racial subgroups if each race’s enrollment numbers fall under 30 students. Two years ago, the state raised the cutoff for students with disabilities to 40. The state is now analyzing data to see whether to raise the cutoff for all students to 40, said Alexa Posny, former deputy commissioner for the state’s division of learning services.
Educators contend not including those scores would give a more statistically sound picture of how individual schools are performing, but excluding so many minority students may undermine the basic premise of the 2001 No Child Left Behind Act: to hold schools accountable by ensuring that all children, regardless of their race, were actually learning.
At Cessna Elementary School in Wichita, minorities were divided into so many separate racial subgroups that the practical effect was that nearly 33 percent of its test scores were excluded, the data showed. The test scores of all white students are separately monitored, but none of those from minority groups were similarly differentiated under the No Child Left Behind Act.
In Maize, for example, all schools separately track only the scores of their white students, not minorities, for the purposes of No Child Left Behind, the data showed.”
For all of you Bushbots that think Bush is doing such a great job!
“CIA: Bin Laden In Pakistan Establishing New Camps
In the most definitive statement in years, America’s top intelligence official said Tuesday Osama bin laden is in Pakistan actively re-establishing al Qaeda training camps.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/02/cia_bin_laden_i.html
Remember that guy? Bin Laden? U know, that guy who planned those attacks in that one city out east???
COME ON BUSHBOTS, WAKE UP! Bush is a moron who had one thing on his mind, cocaine! Wait, i mean attacking Iraq! or both…
Is Boyda really going to cripple small business and take the voice away from our workers by voting on this bill? some one help me here…
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/022807/union.html
It would seem GS has a blatant fear of liberals: not surprised. The sick crap found at Charles Rust-Tierney’s home says nothing about liberalism, but says much about the man himself. GS, in his/her closed knit, neo-con world would never be able to distinguish between the two. To be able to do so would require being able to interpret facts; something neo-cons readily make up as they go mindlessly along (see election results).
“In Maize, for example, all schools separately track only the scores of their white students, not minorities, for the purposes of No Child Left Behind, the data showed.”"
So the learning curve in this country is test based and not learning based. Why am I not surprised. Great post, anon.
Nick, can you explain exactly what is anti-small biz and anti-worker in this bill?
It is supposed to help workers organize. Are you saying doing that is anti-small biz? Helping workers organize is anti-worker?
Please explain how this is anti-small biz and anti-worker.
Hey ksfarmgrrl. You probably are already familiar with this publication, but just wanted to give a link to it anyways just in case you have read it and for others who are interested in ground water depletion issues.
http://www.kerrcenter.com/publications/ogallala_aquifer.pdf
Thanks Joe, I’ll read it later.
Right now, I’m wondering why NO ONE has posted about the stock market meltdown yesterday? It’s rebounding some today, but the opening bell was rung less than an hour ago.
So.. all you bush apologists out there. Someone wanna comment on how our exploding national debt, run up on the republican watch and purchased by communist China, came back to bite the stock market yesterday?
Wanna tell us how fundamentally sound this republican economy is? Wanna tell us the plan for dealing with rising inflation? With the debt piled up by republicans spending like drunken sailors?
We’ll be waiting right here for the bushbot line. Putting together a defense of this must be keeping paulie the shillie busy.
Or maybe he is just busy bailing out his own portfolio? heheheheh
gs,If you found that aclu attorney shocking this will knock your socks off.
http://www.thelawparty.org/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm
Typical liberal kneejerk reaction. One bad day in the market, and ALL HELL IS BREAKING LOOSE!
I know how democrats hate facts, but GDP, employment, interest rates…you know, empirical data…all support a strong, growing economy (much to the chagrin of the liberals).
Personally, I have a substantial position in the market, and I’m not selling.
ksfarmgrrl. The stock market been up 19% since last year. It lost 3% of its value yesterday. I’m still pretty secured and feel it with my portfolio.
Hell! Panic sellers means opportunity to buy. Somebody is buying out there. I’m going to see if their is an opporunity in a stock I’ve been watching for months. If it’s down, I’m going to prounce.
Heheheheh morq.
Maybe Jeff Gannon, er Jeff Christy, er Mr. Guckett “cultivated” the same night shift security guys at the white house?
for those of you who dont know, Mr. Gannon and all his aliases is a military guy who advertised himself as a male prostitute. He is shown in white house visitation records as having spent the night there several times.
The only question was, with whom was he spending the night? Speculation on kkkarl or snotty mclellan, or other “unnamed” white house mouses.
And… he was issued a press pass to lob softball questions at press briefings.
But… of course, we have the ACLU to worry about, not the sinking ship we call bushco’s misadministration.
BTW, didnt the ACLU defend rush? Maybe they ARE into sex preditors…..
Journalistic integrity is as dead as GS integrity as a blogger.
I suspect that many conservative newspapers, media outlets, ignored the story – why didn’t you list them. I know, you are narrow minded. Did you ask the Beagle editors why they didn’t carry it?
The attorney (although dispicable) was a voyeur, not a rapist – so just maybe it really wasn’t all that newsworthy?
…and ….. why give the creep the publicity?
A better example of lack of journalistic integrity is the reluctance of many newspapers (the Beagle comes to mind) to put news of the deaths of soldiers and the war (good and bad)on the front page. Hiding from the public the fact there is a war going on.
hmmmmmmmm 4th quarter gdp revised down trade deficit national debt consumer maxed on credit sub prime market melting down employment rate has a built in margin of error +/- 430000:
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2006/11/bls_margin_of_e.html
yeah everything is fine and were winning the war on scarerrism
Hoo boy I’m glad I got outt the market when I did!
I watched the stock market take a crashing dive in 2 MINUTES yesterday.
Funny! Same day Alan Greenspan pedicted a recession.
Sigh……well this is what you get when you place our economic future in the hands of China. It’ll only get worse.
And in a way? I’m lovin’ every minute of it.
No bush economic defenders here yet? Wanna tell us how rosy the mortgage market are? How we’re doing on inflation?
Come on, we need some good news right now about this republican economy…
Where oh WHERE is paulie the shillie when we need him?
GS just for you dear:
http://www.armchairsubversive.com/
And yes I”m horrified and ashamed that an ACLU person would be involved in something like that. It is truly hideous behavior, no matter which aisle they hail from.
I’m not surprised that the ACLU has the kind of low-life’s working for them – as this man, who once headed up one of their divisions.
After all – weren’t they the ones trying to protect the sick puppies that wanted NAMBLA legitimized?
And this says even MORE about the librat media that refuse to publish the story of the arrest.
Little girls raped.
No shame.
No answer to morq?
“gs,If you found that aclu attorney shocking this will knock your socks off.
http://www.thelawparty.org/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm
And no comment on male prostitute jeff gannon and his “relationship” with the white house?
Hypocrisy, thy name is…..
Posted by: .morg | February 28, 2007 at 09:10 AM
Sorry for the reorder on the post. This part is mine, not morq’s
“And no comment on male prostitute jeff gannon and his “relationship” with the white house?
Hypocrisy, thy name is…..”
…and still no apology for LYING about Tracy?
No honor.
Never an apology to TRACY-LEW.If he’s going to dish it out – the little sissy-girl better be able to take it.
And talk about hypocrisy – defending child rapists?
Real classy.
A comment on NCLB, subgroups, etc., brought on by comments above.
The issue of subgroups is important for the purposes of determining whether a school is making AYP (Adequate Yearly Progress). Under the accountability provisions of NCLB, a school is to demonstrate AYP not only school-wide, but also in measurable subgroups. However, as any statistician can tell you, for there to be a statistically meaningful measure, the sample (population of a subgroup) must be large enough for a valid conclusion to be made. Thus, the initial exclusion of any identifiable subgroup with a population under 30.
The lack of AYP measurement for subgroups due to size does not mean the assessment results of members of the subgroups are not monitored; as a member of Site Councils for a long time, and being exposed to this measurement rubric since it has come to be, I can tell you that the school has disaggregated results for all subgroups and monitor the same closely. The school also has the individual results for each student, and again monitors the same closely.
The increase in number for the special ed subgroup to 40 was an attempt to avoid a negative AYP result from the assessment performance by special ed students. I do not know, but suspect, that in many schools, the total number of Special Ed students does not exceed 40, although it may well exceed 30 in many cases.
Making the AYP goals is important for the school; if the school does not make AYP for a period of time, this allows parents to request transfer (for Title 1 schools); special tutoring programs; and other expensive (to the school) programs. Ultimately, if the failure to achieve AYP goals continues for an extended period of time, the school may be subjected to closure, or the entire staff and principal may be terminated and replaced; IIRC, there comes a point where the school becomes ineligible for state funding. I doubt that this (the latter) will ever happen, but it is possible.
It is my further recollection that the increase in numbers discussed above must be approved by the feds, so as to avoid the tactic I understand from anectdotes employed in Texas; shifting of students to Special Ed so their scores are not counted for AYP, to give an example.
There’s much more to this; but, notwithstanding the post above, all students’ scores are monitored; however, given the makeup of the school, not all students’ scores in subgroups are considered for the issue of meeting the AYP goals.
You flat lied about Tracy.
Give it up GS. You have been proven to be not only a liar, but an unrepentant liar at that.
You just cover one lie with another. And when presented with the facts, you just deny ’till you die. Just like you did when you were shilling in favor of fossil fuels in general and coal fired electricity in particular.
We see you for what you are. You must be ever so proud. I havent seen ANYONE here defend child rapists.
But I dont see you condeming the guy in morq’s post. There are bad actors on all sides, but you only care about the ones defending free speech? Jesus wept.
IOKIYAAR
Oh, and PLEASE post where I or anyone else here defended child rapists.
yet another lie….
I’m just treating TRACY the same way he treated me.
He, JR and a couple others quickly jumped on the lie that I had a financial interest in the Holcomb plants.
You may not have paid attention when I first stated that I treat folks EXACTLY as they treat me – but stay tuned. You’ll figure it out.
And for the record – anyone who defends the liberal media that refuses to publish the story of the ACLU child porn – IS DEFENDING Child rapists.
I guess you fit into that category.
Don’t you?
Hey there insane person.I don’t know (or care) anything about Holcomb, it’s plants and your financial anything.I don’t even know where Holcomb is.That being said,you just spouted another lie about me.
Now for something completely different.From the Pittsburg Morning Sun:
Every once in a while, something happens to restore your faith in humanity.In fact, sometimes what happens makes you wonder why you questioned it in the first place.
On Tuesday night, Frontenac senior Jerry Ruthberg got to suit up with the varsity, got to play the final 38 seconds and got to score the final point in the Raiders’ 50-37 victory over Southeast.It was Senior Night, the Raiders’ final regular-season game and one chance for Ruthberg to savor a moment of glory.Ruthberg is a special needs student at Frontenac. He’s been the manager for the Raiders this season. And on Tuesday, head coach Paul Colton agreed to let Ruthberg suit up with the team.He took warm-ups with the Raiders, drawing cheers from fans whenever he sank a shot.Then he spent most of the game on the bench as the Raiders were locked in a tight game with the Lancers. But in the final minute, a lot of people did something to make Ruthberg a star.During a timeout with 52 seconds left, the crowd began chanting “We Want Jerry,” as it appeared that Ruthberg might get into the game. But with the outcome still a little in doubt, Colton delayed his decision to put Ruthberg in.With Frontenac leading 46-35 with 38.8 seconds left, senior Adam Lavery volunteered to come out of the game so Ruthberg could go in. Lavery, mind you, was one of the five senior starters, playing the last regular-season game of his high school career.And he was more than willing to share the limelight.The crowd went nuts as Ruthberg checked in at the scorer’s table and trotted onto the court.The Raiders spent most of those final 38.8 seconds trying to get Ruthberg the ball. After a few attempts failed by teammates Kris Knaup and Josh Bird, Southeast guard Zack Dainty came to the rescue.Instead of worrying about his own points, knowing the outcome had been decided, Dainty turned an easy steal into a voluntary turnover, handing the ball back to Ruthberg, then gently fouling him with 1.2 seconds left.Both Colton and Knaup recognized Dainty’s efforts. Colton summoned the Lancer sophomore to the Raider bench and shook his hand. Knaup, standing with Dainty near the halfcourt line, patted his opponent on the back, then also offered a handshake to say thank you.The crowd was going bonkers now, again chanting Ruthberg’s name rhythmically as he trudged from one end of the court to the other for his free throw attempts.The chants gave way to silence as he eyed the basket and clanged the first attempt high off the backboard.And then, in a magic moment right out of the movies, he swished the second one.The crowd reacted as if he’d hit the game-winning basket in the state championship game.When the time finally ran off the clock, nearly everyone ran to Ruthberg.There were smiles, and even a few tears.And Ruthberg was the happiest person on the planet.Hoisted on the shoulders of his senior teammates for a moment,he was a hero.Thanks to a lot of other heroes who made it all possible.
Please post where I defended the “liberal media” and their “love” of child rapists.
Please post where Tracy said you have a financial interest in Holcomb. YOU are the one who admitted having financial and family interests in the fossil fuels industrty.
Please post ANY lie Tracy has told about you.
And again, two lies make it ok?
Most adults apologize when they make a mistake. Yours was a flat out deliberate lie.
And you are proud of it? heheheheheh
Keep posting little miss fossil fuels. We LOVE to see you show your good character.
It gives your posts SO MUCH credibility when we know you lie without conscience.
IOKIYAAR
ACLU child porn?sheesh.Ya’ need to adjust that tinfoil hat.
I guess when they have to lie about another poster, you KNOW they lost the debate….
New blog terminology…..
GShering = blantant, unrepentant lying.
Nutzing = totally bogus, self aggrandizement.
Roscoing = Self rightous blathering with multiple exclamation points!!!
Fleeting = Willful blindness while accuing the other side.
Oh, BTW. I DO NOT LIE.
The basketball story is true.I know people who were there.There is a God.A whole gymnasium full of people did His work that night.God bless them all.
…and the lies just keep on comin’
well, gee, it’s strange GS, that you are jumping all over the “liberal” media for not reporting this story – and yet I didn’t hear about this from ANY media, so I have to assume that “conservative” media didn’t report on it either – and YES, I do watch the news, thanks… And actually, reading through others posts, I didn’t really catch much “defending” of the media as much as I did questioning of YOU as to why you only listed so-called “liberal” sources who did not report it, and no “conservative” sources who did not report it… but go ahead, bend things to best suit your purposes… those of us with a brain in our head know better… And I’d like to know where you got that “record” from that says defending media is defending child rapists? Is that another version of guilt by association? Gee, I could have a lot of fun with you on that one, but I really just don’t feel like taking the time – I’ll leave it open to others who would like to play, though….
Sorry Tracy, I didnt mean to imply you lied.
We know the lies, and the lying liars who tell them.
KFG – I guess that is just one MORE lie to add to your previous ones. I never stated I had any financial interest – I said I GREW UP in the industry.
I specifically said I did NOT have an interest – and JR and Tracy both stated I did.
I’m not going back to look for their posts – you can do it if you choose.
By your OWN logic, I guess that means you just lost the debate – since you lied.
What the hell is the matter with you? Are you in Middle School?
Wendy – FOX reported it.
Is that Conservative enough for you?
But you are okay with lying about Tracy, right, GSher?
Hypocrite.
Okay, GS, and just how much time did Fox spend on the story???
WSClark – wimp that challenges others to come over and attack him so he can beat them up.
Sicko.
Wendy – more than the liberal media did.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/02/clouds_gatherin.html#comments
I’ll just let the facts speak for themselves. The thread is long, and the number of times little miss fossil fuesl shilled and was proven wrong, are just to long to list.
Readers dont have to take the work of an admitted liar. They can get the facts here themselves.
You do remember facts, no?
Well, it’s been real – and it’s been fun, but actual business beckons so I’ll have to leave you welfare recipients to your own devises.
You’ll have the entire rest of the day to fume and gnash your teeth over how Gsheridan cleaned your clock for you…..again.
By tomorrow – PLEASE try to have some intelligent responses.
You’re beginning to bore the pants right off me.
Oh crap, I shouldn’t have said that – farmie will be all hot and bothered for the rest of the day.
LOL
Toodles
As many know, I read posts on The Sandbox from time to time. For those who don’t know, The Sandbox is a blog where troops on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq post (together with their families, and others affected by the GWOT).
Recently, one of the troops posted a list of things to bring/send to those serving in those areas. As it may be that some would be interested, the link thereto is provided below.
http://gocomics.typepad.com/the_sandbox/2007/02/list_of_gear_st.html
For those so inclined, I would recommend reference to this list of gear, etc., to come up with “stuff” to send over to a family member, friend, or to any troops. This would, IMHO, show more support for them than a magnet on the vehicle.
OMG, the title of the article on the ACLU that little miss shill cites?
“Bill O’Reiley says Journalism is at a new low”
hehehehehehehehehehheeheehheheeheheh(deep breath) heheheheehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehheehehehehehehehheehehehehehhe
Oh yea, bill o’loofa hates the aclu. And so does little miss fossil fuels. She cites BILL as her expert? heheheheheheheheheeheheh
I think that is all the “lies and the lying liars that tell them” we can stand.
Thanks for the link, farmie.
Scroll down to your post at 5.02 PM = you insinuate Gamble may be biased.
How quickly you forgot that.
Alzheimer’s, my dear?
Or just another blatant lie?
ROFLMAO – now, I’ve REALLY GOT to go.
Be better prepared tomorrow.
This is like shooting fish in a goddamn barrel. Too easy.
GSHeridan
You advocated the building of a coal fired power plant.
You were REPEATEDLY asked to show that this plant was needed. You did not do so.
No reason to build the plant + you shilling for the building of the plant SUGGESTS you have a personal stake in the building of that plant. Otherwise why the RABID advocacy?
You have admitted that your husband builds power plants EXACTLY LIKE the one you advocated for.
You have friends in a similar plant.
Your father was the President of a strip mining company.
By a preponderance of the evidence, I maintain that you have a vested interest in the fossil fuels industry.
Further.
YOU LIED saying you had credible sources that TRACY recieves disablility checks.
YOU LIED and posted that I was on the public dole.
YOU have made your bed on this forum. YOU will have to live with it.
Yeah, read the link to “clock cleaning” hehehehehehehehehheheheeh.
I see she couldnt post any lies from me. Or Tracy. And she couldnt post where any of us had defended child rapists. Talk about foaming at the mouth…..
But if you read the link, you will pick out MULTIPLE lies from little miss fossil fuels.
Now who is tucking tail and running? Surely not the blog’s most unrepentant liar? BQB.
Tracy – what a moving story. I can VERY much see that happening in a HS basketball game – especially a small town game.Likely, all those kids will go on to something else in life besides basketball, and that night, they demonstrated the kind of character that fosters success.
Oh wait, but I did a google search and the ONLY major conservative media I found that spent time on it was FOX – and gee, that’s it…. Now, I did also find time spent on it by ABC, which you have classed as “liberal” media – so I’d have to say that equal ground was spent on it… unless you can prove otherwise… see, Fox doesn’t even HAVE the story on their website, other than O’reilly’s blurbs – whereas ABC.COM has it posted, here, I’ll even give you a link to BOTH: (see how fair I can be?)
ABC: (I did a google search and this popped right up)abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2900174&page=1
FOX:(By the way, I had to do a search of the website to even find this one… because it didn’t even come up on google…and sorry this is the closest i can get to it, then you have to scroll down to find the story…)http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/index.html
I’ll have to leave you welfare recipients to your own devises.
amazing how little time the capitalists spend actually working. Oh and I would like to thank the military industral complex for this cushy union negotiated early retirement.
Yes, please do read my post about Ralph. I posted facts about his on-going association with sunflower electric. Outside of his role as a university prof. He WAS PAID by sunflower to do the study. Bias? Please read what I said about him and the study.
And I guess if I thought it was a biased study, I would NOT have used it as one of MY sources.
For little miss fossil fuels, I guess posting FACTS = Bias.
Posting LIES = Equals credibility.
Only in the land of wingnuttia….
morq are you being trolled with that last post?
And once again,the liar GSHeridan retreats when forcibly confronted.
Here’s the EXACT QUOTE of farmie’s from the thread linked above:
[quote]“Does it make the study biased? maybe.
Especially since it is just vague multiplier rhetoric, not hard figures.”[end quote]
If that is not implying bias might be in play – nothing is.
LOL
Quite the little liar today.
And you’re keeping me from real work, farmie, with your string of lies and defending them with even MORE lies.
JR – just through down the gauntlet- we now are able to lie if we determine there is a “preponderance of evidence.” How abstract, indeed.
Knock yourself out. But remember – you’ll get it back, when I have time…..in spades.
And I do so love dishing it back.
:)
JR – I’ve already overstayed my time. Too bad you don’t know what it’s like to be productive.
We can’t all stay and play games 24 hours a day like you, farmie, WSClark, and JR.
Some of us are actually motivated.
I know that’s a foreign concept for you.
But, I’ll return.
Save up all your goofiness for then – but be ready. Today, you’re batting zero.
And now THIS really IS my last post.
Geeze
Maybe? Oh yeah, what a FORCEFUL allegation of bias. Read the facts.
If anyone care, which I am sure by now no one does, just read the link. It will tell ya everything you need to know about little miss fossil fuels.
Hey GS – still trying to get those illegals you hire to “service” you? Do they all still quit and flee the country when you do?
They should hire you over at INS to scare them all away!
Yeah GSheridan, that’s it.
SLINK on outta here. Make time in your oh so busy life for one of your usual 3 AM screed of lies.
No KFG,I should have put quotes around the gsheridan statement:”I’ll have to leave you welfare recipients to your own devises”
And I thought my comment about early retirement might irritate the fine lady. Of course just in fun.
Mid-day…All the major stock markets and indices are up.
Bummer for Junior.
Yeah, Balz.Wish I coulda been there at that game.
Insane person is not only a liar, but a damned poor one at that.A few folks here remember me ADVOCATING coal-fired plant construction, if that’s what the brew-ha is about.Pol-mom in particular will remember making the remark to me that I was willing to sell out my grandkids health, for a few good paying jobs at the coal plant.You remember that polmom.The ONLY other statement I remember making was this:”We WANT a plant in SEK.And that’s my extent of commenting on it.”(or almost those exact words)I have never been one to use the ’shill’ meme on blog.And furthermore, I have no knowledge of GS’ financial interests in fossil fuels.I go against the grain of my friends here on blog, when it comes to this issue.IF I had taken sides and made an argument on this, I surely would have been allied with GS on this issue. (YUCK)
Okay, one more time, for the record.I want to see Westar build a coal-fired electrical plant on the Neosho river. On the former KAAP site. East of Parsons.Got it insane person?Write it down or sumpin’.Ya’ seem to be having some memory and/or LYING problems.BTW, at my J-O-B, I’m in a business that BURNS fossil fuels.My income depends on it.
Now, does that expose lying liers and the lies they tell, OR WHAT?
Oh, and tit for tat huh?I forgot this part:sheeesh
Tracy- Don’t forget “AAAFFFLLLLAAACCCC!!!!”
Tracy,I’m with you on the use of “shill.” The word (especially on this blog) is overused and misapplied.
Not as bad as “sheeple”…but close.
Also, perpetually crying “LIAR!” makes me think I’m on a middle school playground.
Ok…back to fighting.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Round 147018470
You might want to check the definition of “shill”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
I especially like this part:
“‘Shill’ can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, they would be an implicit ’shill’ for the industry at large, as their income is tied to its prosperity.”
Or, if you scroll down to “Shills on the Internet” I REALLY like this part:
“or a member or sympathizer of a special-interest group may pose as a highly-qualified expert in a specific field in order to give apparently disinterested support to whatever cause the group promotes”
But of course, as always, you should read the link yourself.
Tracy, I know you never said shill.
But I did. And emphatically still do. I think paulie shills for the gop and operation rescue, I think little miss fossil fuels shills for coal plants. etc. I am sure we can all think of a few shills here.
So I think we have indeed been using the word “shill” properly.
And applying it properly too!
Frmgrl: That any person, organization, political party or governmental bureaucracy would actually pay GS or PR to be “their face” on the Internet is ludicrous, outrageous and absurd. I mean, think about it. If you have a cause you believed in and wanted to promote, I could imagine hiring either of them to be adamant opponents of it, but they are definitely not the people you would want “on your side”, are they?
rm6046- I think you have a point- neither would be effective enough to merit any payments for performance.
Yeah, others use shill effectively and when aprropriate, just not my deal.And I agree with Balz on the sheeple word.When ya’ see that you know you got a winger on blog. RUN.
The liar-liar thing I don’t like to use, but in this case it’s not only appropriate but necessary.GS says I faked an injury to collect comp., and has this info from “good authority”.Then some shit about holcomb?Where’s Holcomb?And finances in oil or sumpin’?I don’t have a clue what this insane person is talking about now.At least I can understand some low-life like GS using slander.Even without real damages it is (attempted) character assasination.Pitiful, just pitiful……
Tippy wipe your keyboard,there’s still a littleBULLSHIT on it.
There’s a good laugh…
When it suits the liberals, they emphatically use Wikipedia as a source. Otherwise, it’s “unreliable.”
Try dictionary.com or websters.com.
C’est la vie – Son le mont..tres bien.
Balz, it’s just a definition of shill for discussion.Not some kind of political revelation.
here’s M-W
Main Entry: 1shillPronunciation: ’shilFunction: intransitive verbEtymology: 2shill1 : to act as a shill2 : to act as a spokesperson or promoter
That’s kind of a weak point Balz.Speaking of libs and cons,aren’t ya’ goana defend Tippy?It says it’s conservative.
Tracy,
“BTW, at my J-O-B, I’m in a business that BURNS fossil fuels.My income depends on it.”
You might want to consider a career change. Carbon taxes, efficiency, and renewables are the future.
cosmos, the emerging ‘alternatives market’ is where my future here is.As the market changes, so does the business.
And speaking of wingnutia…check it out, the earth is stationary and everything else moves.Really, these folks believe the sun moves around the earth.
http://www.fixedearth.com/
TRACY – that is hilarious!
TRACY, thanks for the best laugh I’ve had in at least two months!
Hoo boy Tracy
I gotta go back to that one some time when I have more time.
It CAN’T be for real can it?
If it ain’t real then somebody needs to get a life.Yes it’s real.I blatently stole it from my ol’ pal Pat Hayes at Red State Rabble.
Wednesday, February 28, 2007The “E” WordWe noted below that “modern-day Galileos” — you know, the ones who draw their support from people who believe the sun rotates around the earth — believe they’re being censored.
However, as we also noted and gave specific examples of below, exactly the opposite is true.
Now we’ve come across this article in PloS Biology that says the “failure to use the word “evolution” by the scientific community may have a direct impact on the public perception of the importance of evolutionary biology in our everyday lives.”
While the authors of the PloS article don’t list it as a reason for the failure to use the word “evolution” in medical papers, the fear that articles may be rejected for publication or affect the researcher’s access to grant money controlled by Republican political commissars may also be a factor in the failure to use the “E” word.
# posted by Red State Rabble @ 8:18 AM
http://redstaterabble.blogspot.com/
All major markets and indexes (indices, if you prefer) closed up today.
Chairman Ben Bernanke presented a positive testimony to Congress, and government data showed continued economic growth.
So much for the “Sky is falling” theory.
Bummer for Junior and Farmie(again).
While the market fall yesterday appears to be caused by a series of unrelated events, it does show how inter-connected the world’s economy is.
IF China chose to use its economic clout for nefarious actions, the ramifications would incredible. Of course, the same could be said about the USA ecomomy.
Maybe the next war will be electronic and economic, rather than simply militaristic.
“Maybe the next war will be electronic and economic, rather than simply militaristic.”
Do-you-want-to-play-a-game?
Nah, it doesn’t compute.
Hello Joshua
Tracy, thanks for the link.
What is it that GS thinks that you lied on her about?
I still think ignoring is a good idea.
Hello Dave
Hi Tracy,Followed your link….what a hoot!
GS, what an impressive retreat! But where I come from, we call that chickenshit.(sarcasm off)
Hmmm, seems things are not quite as rosy in the stock market and the economy as nutz wants you to think.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070228/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street
I don’t think I’d rely on yahoo for my financial news – although, Farmie, there was nothing in that article to dispute anything I said earlier.
Here’s a better read:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,255406,00.html
Testifying the day after the market’s 416-point plunge, Bernanke told the House Budget Committee that the Fed was monitoring market developments but had seen nothing that would cause it to change its positive outlook for the economy.
Discussing market operations, he said, “They seem to be working well, normally.”
There’s a reasonable possibility that we’ll see some strengthening of the economy sometime in the middle of the year,” Bernanke said, voicing the hope that the severe slump in housing and an effort by businesses to work off unwanted inventories would be less of a drag in coming months.
“We expect moderate growth going forward,” he said, sticking with the upbeat forecast he had delivered to Congress two weeks ago.
Steven, from what I can tell GS says I called her a shill or sumpin’ about her finaces or ????Hell, I don’t know.
Gee Fox news huh Golf?
That counters everything I keep hearing about an upcoming recession.
Now, the neocons always take credit for Bill Clinton’s booming economy by saying it was the foundations that Reagan had laid down to make it possible (nevermind Bush Sr. was in between those two presidencies, and he even called for tax increases too for breaking the bank).
You’d think in all the states where conservatives are in charge, their states would be better off than the lib states. But that’s just not true.
For all you Muslim haters out there, here’s a story for you.
Iraqi boy gets gift from soldier’s widow
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070227/ap_on_re_us/iraqi_boy_s_heart_1
Oh geez…Here’s one from CNN:http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/28/markets/markets_0530/index.htm?postversion=2007022817
“Bernanke calmed investors after he told a House panel that the markets seem to be “working well” and are functioning normally. He also said the selloff hasn’t altered the Fed’s view on U.S. economic growth.”
And MSNBC:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17380703/
Business week:http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/feb2007/pi20070228_747806.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story
Need more?
Yesterday, the Chinese stock market sniffled and the American stock market sneezed.
Soon? The Chinese stock market is gonna sneeze. And then the US stock market will get pneumonia.
What’s sad is that the wheeler dealers will be the last to get hurt. But they WILL get hurt. Then healing can come.
Junior,That, my friend, was meaningless BS.
here is one of the main reasons the market has started[?] to tank. In order to keep the housing market[largest creator of jobs past 5 yrs.} expanding, mortgage company would lend to people who could not afford the loans [sub prime]. These loans are defaulting at an ever increasing rate. This is causing credit [lending standards] to tighten making it more difficult for people to get a loan and buy more stuff. Our economy is now based about 70% consumer spending rest gov. and corporate.
NEW YORK (Reuters) – The planned boycott of some of the most popular sub prime mortgages by No. 2 mortgage buyer Freddie Mac is the latest sign of a broad risk-aversion trade spreading across financial markets.
Investors are taking the move by Freddie Mac — one of the biggest buyers of sub prime debt with $180 billion held — on Tuesday as a no-confidence vote on so-called 2-28 mortgages that comprise three-quarters of the industry. It may be a blow to the market already struggling with an unexpectedly sharp rise in delinquencies and investor panic.
“This will add to the sub prime pullback” that already hurt the availability of money in the market, said S.A. Ibrahim, chief executive officer at risk management and mortgage insurer Radian Group Inc. (RDN.N: Quote, Profile, Research) “This is the long-awaited widening in credit spreads we have all been waiting for in an environment where we thought credit spreads were too cheap.”
Lenders, cashing in on the U.S. housing boom, had been encouraged to loosen underwriting standards to boost volumes by soaring demand from Wall Street and other investors. The rapid price appreciation of the past five years kept delinquencies near record lows in such mortgages since the borrower could refinance and monetize the newfound house value.
I notice that even though the housing market in Wichita is pretty flat, .morg, the fair city of Wichie Bitty City now believes that my house is worth 15 percent more than it was last year.
If I could sell it for 2/3rds of what the City claims it is worth, I’d sell it tomorrow.
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