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  1. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    I get the first post of the day!

    Ok so here are my pet peeves!

    So I go into the bathroom at a convenience store this weekend, there is a mom and a daughter in there. The daughter comes out of the stall and there is toilet paper ALL over the toilet seat. They just leave it there.

    IF you must cover the seat or hover, fine (even though I think that’s silly) but don’t make me come behind you and flipping clean up your damn mess. AUGH! Get a wad of clean tissue so you don’t have to put your hands on it and push it off the seat into the water- then FLUSH with your foot. They make handsoap for a reason. I think it should be allowed that I get to take that left over toilet paper and come stick it in your purse.

    #2. If I’m in a parking lot and I’m waiting for you to cross in front of me, do it quickly and don’t act as if you’re browsing tables for a good bargain! (Old, young and handicapped are allowed more time). I think there should be a time limit before I’m allowed to hit the gas.

    #3. If the bathroom is busy, wait outside like everyone else did. DO NOT stand directly between the wall and the door so that people leaving the restroom have to squeeze between the door and you! If I were a mean person, some lady would have a broken nose today.

    Something funny- I was at a restaurant yesterday, and there was a gal there who looked angry- had a furrowed brow and wide eyes as if something horrible just happened….she was talking talking talking talking to the guy she was with. He just stared straight ahead the whole time. It was really quite comical, although I was trying hard not to stare, I had to keep glancing over to see if she was STILL going on. And she was lol. At least she was quiet about it. So rule number 4 is, if you’re going to have an argument with your boyfriend in public, we should get to stare for entertainment.

  2. JWink
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 5:02 am | Permalink

    PMom: Some good rules to think about this cool Monday morning, as we resume life for another week in the working world, here along the foggy banks of the Arkansas River in the year 2007, at a latitude of 38 degrees north and 97 degrees west of Greenwich, England … in Wichita, Kansas, the “Air Capital.”

    Have a great week everyone.

  3. Ken
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    hmmmm ….. my pet peeves?

    Whiners –

    and

    those that encourages whiners.

  4. raptor
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    Pet Peeve Monday? Ok…will throw in mine..

    People that take an elevator ONE FLOOR. How lazy can you get? (seems like most of the people that do that could certainly use the exercise)

  5. anonymous
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    ” … there is no more powerful special interest in the country — nor one with more destructive impact on more people — than the teachers’ unions. These unions — the National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers — are dead set against parents having a choice of where to send their children to school.

    The last thing these unions can afford to let happen is open competition between the public schools that their members have dumbed down and other schools that are free to omit the fads, bureaucracy and red tape that have ruined the public schools.”

  6. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Response:

    1) If you’re going to use a public bathroom, expect a little trash.

    2) If you EVER “hit the gas” in a parking lot, expect to eventually kill a child. (Note – last week at a McDonalds in SE Wichita)

    3) If you’re going to use a public bathroom, expect a little inconvenience.

    4) When dining in public, expect to see other people misbehaving.

  7. Posted February 19, 2007 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    My Pet Peeve…

    People who cant take a joke and/or cant just read something and leave it alone and responds with somehting stupid…

  8. WSClark
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Tony, it that is just Golf Nut stalking P Mom. He does it all the time. P Mom posts something and a minute or two later, Nut posts some lame rebuttal. Golf Nut is fixated on P Mom.

  9. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    DA 4 hrs. (not “a minute or two later.”

    3) Golfnut is fixated on no one (on this blog) – although some like to use that approach as a weak retort.

  10. Ben Huie
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    I have to agree with golfer about ‘hitting the gas’. I find that I barely creep through those places; also I drive very slowly in residential areas.

    But Kellogg …

  11. WSClark
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    DA? That’s lame retort, Homer Arafat.

  12. Posted February 19, 2007 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Whoa, that didn’t post as I typed it. Let’s try again:

    DA is hitting the drugs early today, not surprising.

    1) PMom’s post wasn’t a joke.

    2) The difference between her post and mine was greater than 4 hrs – not a “minute or two later.”

    3) Golfnut is fixated on no one (on this blog) – although some like to use that approach as a weak retort.

  13. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Oh come on Golf, you have stalked me on the board for a long time, but you have backed off a bit.

    I said in my post kids were excluded, saying I wanted to run over people who were slow is not the same as DOING it, now is it?

    And that guy who hit the kid in the McDonald’s parking lot, all the witnesses said he was NOT speeding through the lot, that the kid ran out and the truck profile was just too high for him to see the kid.

    That could happen to any one of us.

    PS the elevator one floor, those people who might need the exercise might have a physical limitation that keeps them from using stairs (like a knee or back problem) that got them in bad health in the first place. Don’t always assume they got fat and lazy first.

  14. J R
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Pet peeves…. Suggestive selling. Many stores and restaurants who ask me if I would like a candy bar or an apple pie or something else I didn’t order whatever in addition to what I have ordered. I KNOW this suggestive selling is not the fault of the clerk. They are just doing what they’ve been told. I don’t take it out on them. On more than one occasion, when asked this I have asked for a manager and explained to them that if I wanted an apple pie or a candy bar I was capable of coming up with the idea on my own.

  15. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    PMom, I haven’t stalked you any more than you’ve stalked me. The difference is – I don’t whine about it.

  16. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    I have not followed you to any other boards, but where I go you seem to follow, and what I post you seem to follow.

    LOL I suppose I could go to the DU boards or move on and you would probably show up there too!

    But I don’t care for going where I know they all agree with me anyway.

    JR, the suggestive selling, I know it’s not their fault. But sometimes it’s even worked on me.And then it made me mad that it did.

  17. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    OMG Political Mom, that thought is TOO funny.

    Yes, please, take him to the DU boards. He will freak out in no time.

  18. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Umm, no.

    I didn’t follow you here. I posted here one day, and BAM! there you were responding to me.

    Salina? I only posted there because you told me not to. =) And I haven’t even read that pathetic little board for weeks – and probably never will again. It sucks.

    The bottom line is, you respond to me (and others) just like I respond to you (and others). However, when the conversation gets testy, you whine. I don’t.

    It’s all part of the victim mentality.

  19. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Now, why in the world would I go do Democratic Underground?

    When I want to read endless bitching about how miserable life is in these United States, I just read the posts of Farmie, PMom, CF, et. al.

  20. TRACY
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    By all means marry. If you get a good wife, you’ll be happy. If you get a bad one, you’ll become a philosopher.~Socrates

    Woman inspires us to great things, and prevents us from achieving them.~Dumas

    The great question… which I have not been able to answer… is, “What does a woman want?~Sigmund Freud

    I had some words with my wife, and she had some paragraphs with me.Anonymous

    “Some people ask the secret of our long marriage. We take time to go to a restaurant two times a week. A little candlelight, dinner, soft music and dancing. She goes Tuesdays, I go Fridays.”~Henny Youngman

    “I don’t worry about terrorism. I was married for two years.”~Sam Kinison

    “I’ve had bad luck with both my wives. The first one left me, and the second one didn’t.”~Patrick Murray

    Two secrets to keep your marriage brimming1. Whenever you’re wrong, admit it,2. Whenever you’re right, shut up.~Nash

    You know what I did before I married? Anything I wanted to.~Henny Youngman

    My wife and I were happy for twenty years. Then we met.~Rodney Dangerfield

    First Guy (proudly): “My wife’s an angel!”Second Guy: “You’re lucky, mine’s still alive.”

  21. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Heheheh Tracy, good to see you back! We miss you when you are not here.

    I like this one “I came from a large family. In fact, there were so many of us, we didnt have enough beds so we had to share, two to a bed.

    Hell, I never slept alone until I got married…”

    Rimshot please.

  22. Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    For all who decry the number of American Soldiers killed in Iraq as the reason we must pull out of the war – there is an even MORE shocking number….that of Americans killed by illegal aliens.

    In fact, compared to the deaths of our citizens by the illegals – the war in Iraq looks positively like a cake walk.

    12 Murders a day on average.

    Where’s the outrage?

    Build the wall – shoot the trespassers.

  23. Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    link to above story:

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

  24. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Ian? Is that YOU?

  25. Vaughn Tolle
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    For P_Mom and others dealing with autism; an article discussing genetic predisposition, identification of specific genes, and that it’s not simple:

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/conditions/02/19/autism.study.reut/index.html

  26. J R
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Fun stuff Tracy Wanna know what ISN’T funny? Coservative ATTEMPTS at humor. I watched a conservative attempt at comedy last night. The name isn’t important. You’ll never hear it. The show will not survive its second episode. Oh folks…. It was HORRIBLE. Root canal therapy would have been more entertaining. They used a laughtrack! And they had a studio audience! Conservatives should stick with causing pain intentionally. They are a lot better at that!

  27. Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    GoofNut–

    There’s only one thing wrong with living in the US of A.

    You.

    And people like you.

  28. HardTruth
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    JR – Truth be told, Conservatives can be VERY funny. Truth be told, the key is to watch them when they are trying to be serious. Truth be told, then they are hilarious!

  29. CF
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    (Hmmm. It’s a Monday. CF is thinkin’ it’s probably about time to see whether KSGolfnut has re-upped on his decision to be heterosexual.)

    So, KSGolfnut, now that the cold weather has broken and young men are responding by shedding layers of clothing, how’s your ‘decision’ to be heterosexual holding up?

  30. gster
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Do you suppose it’s a daily decision, rather than a one time for all time decision????

  31. TRACY
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Bob Dole was funny before the ED adds.

  32. CF
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Furthermore, CF thinks it’s fair to say that everyone here on the board wants to support KSGolfnut by doing everything we can to help him live up to his ‘decision’ to be heterosexual.

    As someone who was born into heterosexuality, I don’t know exactly what would be entailed in trying to ’support the heterosexuals.’ But like all the other folks here, gay and straight, I want to do what I can not to be a stumbling block in KSGolfnut’s ‘decision’ to be heterosexual.

  33. WSClark
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Random responses…..

    World Net Daily is a propaganda website – no credibility. If the story was accurate, it would be reported by legit news sources.

    Golf Nut loves to call me DA, as in Drug Addict. Now if marijuana was addictive, I would have had to go through withdrawl, since I have not smoked since the New Year.

    The truth is, however, no withdrawl, no effects, etc, since…

    … I actually smoke marijuana very rarely – once or twice a month.

    … Marijuana is not an addictive drug.

    It’s a bit funny, to paraphrase an old Winston Churchill put down, I can stop using marijuana, but Golf Nut will still look like Homer Arafat.

  34. CF
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    WSClark,

    “Separated at birth,” indeed.

  35. The Truth
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Truth be told, the only thing I have seen a Pot Head kill is a pizza.

  36. HardTruth
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Truth be told, they have also been known to kill a bag of Oreos.

  37. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Ah yes, the victim mentality phrase. Only a neocon would turn being a victim of something into something degrading to the victim.

    Is this a Rushism, that nobody is ever a victim of anything? That it is a choice to be victimized?

    ——–

    VT yes I’m aware of the research, there is lot of research going on now. I hope they do find whatever it is that genetically makes one more vunerable to develop autism.

  38. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Not true political mom. SOME neo cons, and certainly rush, claim to be victims of the “liberal” media every day…..

  39. The Truth
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Finally a consensus between The Truth & Hard Truth, truth be told. :)

  40. Posted February 19, 2007 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    The world net daily is not a reputable source. Anyway, it’s rate, not raw numbers you should be looking at.

  41. steve
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    The “Idiot” is out today trying to compare what’s happening in Iraq, with our revolution two hundred years ago. He still isn’t able to appreciate that the Americans weren’t engaged in centuries old feuds intent on killing each other, or the difference in European and Mid-Eastern cultural and religious differences. There’s no hope for him!

  42. Posted February 19, 2007 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Excellent story I heard on the radio today at lunch:

    A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat and supported the distribution of all wealth. She felt deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican which she expressed openly.

    One day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to higher taxes on the rich & the addition of more government welfare programs. Based on the lectures that she had participated in and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that for years her father had obviously harbored an evil, even selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.

    He stopped her and asked her, point blank, how she was doing in school. She answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain. She studied all the time and never had time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend and didn’t really have many college friends because of spending all her time studying because of her more difficult curriculum.

    Her father listened and then asked, “How is your good friend Audrey doing?”

    “Audrey is barely getting by,” she replied. “She barely has a 2.0 GPA, and all she takes are easy classes and she never studies. But Audrey is extremely popular on campus. College, for her, is a blast. She goes to all the parties all the time and very often doesn’t even show up for classes because she is too hung over.”

    Her father then asked his daughter, “Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0? That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.”

    The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That wouldn’t be fair! I worked really hard for mine and Audrey has done little or nothing! She played while I worked real hard!”

    The father slowly smiled, winked and said, “Welcome to the Republican Party.”

    [note: I'm not trying to pass this work off as my own. I'm sure it exists out there on The Google. Spare me the plagiarism accusations]

  43. J R
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    “But Dad?, the girl laughed.

    “You’ve never worked a day in your life. You make all your money off your employees! They do all the work and you get all the profit. At least Audrey doesn’t ask me to do her work for her. And they all hate you! I could never do that. No Dad, I’ll never be a Republican. In fact, this is the last time you’ll see me. I’m getting married and I don’t want my children around you.”

    The end

  44. steve
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    If Audrey had the wealth and connections, she could become president with less than a 3.0, go ahead and give it up, won’t matter in real life!

  45. Posted February 19, 2007 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Junior,I can just see you spitting and drooling while making such a passionate plea.

    If Dad didn’t work to ensure that sales were completed, that financing was secured for new equipment and material, that the company assets were properly leveraged… there would be no company and all the workers would be unemployed.

    Dad assumes all the risk. If the economy tanks – Dad loses his job AND his investment. The workers simply pack up and move on – usually without notice.

  46. fleettwood
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like junior is wearing the victimhood cloak. Makes him all warm inside.

  47. The Truth
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Truth be told, William Jefferson (Blythe) Clinton came from a less than privledged background.You may stop with your wealth of connections trash, truth be told.

  48. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Capitalists as victims…

    cue the violins, please…

  49. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Yeah and like Golf who probably frat partied his way through college, people like me who busted our asses get screwed from time to time too.

    Nobody paid my college. Not even the first year. I did all those things, and maintained a fabulous GPA- on the dean’s list even.

    Fact it, the republican party believes that the ones on bottom deserve it. And some do. However there are many many many who do not, who work just as hard, for just as long, and the only reason why some are on top is because they stepped on those underneath them.

  50. Posted February 19, 2007 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    People step on people every day. It’s a fact of life. Those that succeed FIND A WAY to ensure that they don’t get stepped on. They MAKE their own future. As much as I don’t like Bill Clinton, he’s a shining example of “making it happen.”

    Bottom line: you have to EARN it.

    (PS, PMom, I was in a fraternity for a year. I made a 3.5 GPA that year, but I knew I’d find my way to 2.5 in a hurry if I didn’t change. So I quit the frat – ended up with a 3.8 overall and a 4.0 in grad school. And somehow managed to avoid getting expelled….)

  51. writerdog
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    One of my pet peeves, I make floors shiny for a living ( something is really messed up with the world when I can make a living doing that and not as anything else I have done anyway), when I wax I put bright yellow ropes up to block off the area. But at least one if not many I will find walking in the wet wax, they always say the same thing. “Oh I did not see the ropes!” I finally asked one person what part of the bright yellow ropes blocking their way, bright yellow sign with five simple English words on it (wet wax please keep out), Confused them? He said “Oh I did not see the ropes” to which I replied “Gee I hope you did not crack your skull when you fell over them!”.Rather then insult my intelligence by saying that, it would be better to simple say “Oh I am a arrogant, self centered pig and care little for the efforts of my fellow man!”.

    BTW Pmom, toilet paper left on the seat is the least disgusting thing people leave on the seat! It makes one wonder if they even know what T.P. is for?

  52. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Clinton as a common man is a myth. His stepfather owned a successful car dealership. The guys I know who do that are not poor.

  53. The Truth
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Truth, however I would not refer to an auto dealership in Hot Springs, Arkansas as wealth and privledge.Typical liberal attack on Upper Middle Class as “the rich” truth be told.

  54. writerdog
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    LoL a few minutes ago the phone rang, it was a fund raiser for the Democratic party wanting a donation. After listening to his sells pitch, ( you just know it was coming right?) the next ten minutes were spent with me telling him just what was wrong and how the Democrats could improve the party and not pull a defeat from the jaws of a victory!

    Don’t worry my Democratic brothers and sisters, I have straighten out your party and you will reign till Christ comes back and takes over for you! No thanks needed heh…

  55. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    So Golf’s assessment is you can’t get ahead by playing by the rules.

    By the way, Golf, how many of your frat boy friends went ahead and graduated anyway?

    I’m betting quite a few did. That means they still got ahead by screwing off while those who played by the rules got screwed.

  56. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    So you’re saying you’d rather have the Republicans in charge dog?

    Are you out of your mind?

  57. The Truth
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    How exactly is becoming a part of the greek system and the probability of enjoying oneself throughout the college experience not playing by the rules, truth be told?

  58. hawkeye
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    So what I’m reading is that the American dream and the land of opportunity don’t exist.

    I couldn’t disagree more. They both exist, though they aren’t always easy and definitely not guaranteed. It takes hard work, perseverance, and yes even a little luck to get where you want to go but you can get there if you want to. Its your choice whether or not you continue to pursue it.

  59. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    “Typical liberal attack on Upper Middle Class as ‘the rich’ truth be told.”

    Plagiarist,Time for some reading comprehension classes. I said “not poor” vs. “rich”. Clinton had a good life in terms of economic support. He was not poor as he is sometimes portrayed.

  60. The Truth
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Mongaloid,”Hit a Triple” is now commonplace pharase to describe a child of privledge, truth be told.

  61. writerdog
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    What I am saying mom is that it is time for someone that truly put America first not a party.

    But what I and others have said is true. In the past, the Democrats have showed a talent for pulling a defeat from a victory.

    The truth is that the Democratic party is in a position they have not had in some years. My party lost it direction and has been stolen from us while we slept. I do not say it in an attempt to distance myself or defend my party. Bush really is no more a Republican of any fashion then you are a duck.

    Who do I want in charge?In these times when we have enemies within and without, when we the American people are doing such a better job at tearing this country apart. Then Al-Qaeda, Iran or the entire middle east could do in a hundred years. When the medical treatment you receive depends more on what a HMO said you receive instead of the Doctor. And how much money you have instead of the simple fact you are a human being that it should be a give me that you are made well.In a time when people need a hand up and not a hand out that actually keeps them down in the place where they needed the help. When it is in the best interest of this country and her people that everyone is on the way up not in a holding pattern.In a time I am so tired of every election being more a choice between the lesser of two evils.

    I want an honest to God Mother fooking American hero! What party they belong to these days is the least important thing.

  62. Posted February 19, 2007 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    The Repukes love that story about giving some of your grade point average to the “needy.”

    They repeat it over and over again.

    Trouble is, it’s what we call a false analogy.

    The students are already benefitting from social welfare simply by attending college. College taxes property and income to provide a large part of the funds colleges need to operate.

    Also, grades are not necessary for survival. Food, housing, and medical care are.

    When progressives talk about using tax money to help the poor, that’s what we’re talking about. Helping people survive.

    We’re not talking about expropriating Cheney’s yacht so that 10,000 people can go on a cruise. We’re talking about creating a society in which children don’t starve to death and in which they can get a broken leg set properly.

    That isn’t too much to expect from one of the richest countries in the world.

  63. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Well regarding the grades, there are some people (luckily I’m not one of them) who are just horrible test takers. But it doesn’t necessarily deduct their working knowledge of what they’ve learned.

    Success isn’t always about what you do, what you know, what you learn NOR is it always what you’ve been given. But I can guarantee you that those who have a little more money are more apt to make it with a lot less effort.

  64. HAWKEYE
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Pmom,

    Are you advocating that we pool everybodys money and tehn redistribute it so we all start even and those who were less fortunate can put less effort in and those who are more fortumnate have to put more effort in so its all equal.

    Where does that end. some will naturally achieve more than others and we will end up uneven again. Do we continue to redo this process.

    I’m all for helping the less fortunate, but somewhere comes a line where they need to continue to help themselves also

    Capn,

    I agree that we could do better by the poor, but I have also dealt with enough poor people to know that often times they won’t continue to help themselves by making good choices, ie education, continued effort during hard times, etc. That is the problem i don’t know how to solve

  65. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    No, Jesus why is it always all or nothing with you people?

    Of course I don’t believe in Communism. I believe we have to have something to work towards.

    But that is the problem, you can’t work towards anything anymore if you’re poor, everything you do is just to stay alive and keep a roof over your head.

    It used to be people were paid decent living wages, and that isn’t happening anymore. The rich are greedier, they don’t want to pay their employees decent wages. That’s the problem. You can’t work your way up in a company hardly at all anymore. In the past you had the ability to do that, now the boss leaves and they hire fresh college boy who is going to tell you how to do a job he’s never done in his life.

  66. Hawkeye
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Pmom,

    I don’t agree with you. in every job I’ve had I had the chance to move up I worked hard, did the little extra, and found a way to better myself.

    Whenever I read you it always seems to me that you believe that your situation or opinion is the way it is for everybody. I’m sorry if that has happened to you. I’ve been fired myself and did not agree with it, but chose to see it as a new path to take in life. I believe that life is what we make it and whatever you want to be you can be or you can do if you are willing to work at it and sacrifice for it.

    by the way I am not a “you people” any more than you are and everyone on here would do well to remember that about everybody else

  67. political_mom
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    When you say redistribute money, that is when you turn into one of ‘you people’.

    Let me guess, Libertarian?

    We all pave the roads, but if your kid dies because you can’t afford antibiotics, that’s your own fault.

    The only libertarian countries are 3rd world countries. I promise you that you don’t want that.

  68. Ken
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Democracy + Capitalism =

    Free to be greedy.

  69. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    “…now the boss leaves and they hire fresh college boy who is going to tell you how to do a job he’s never done in his life…”

    I’ve worked for some of the most respected and most profitable companies in the US, and I’ve never once seen this phenomenon. So PMom, I’m afraid I’ll have to call “BS” on that statement.

  70. CapnAmerica
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    WHY DO REPUBLICANS HATE DEMOCRACY

    “The indictment said Alishtari tried to support terrorists between June and December by accepting an unspecified amount of money to transfer $152,000 that he believed was being sent to Pakistan and Afghanistan to support an Afghanistan terrorist training camp.

    “He believed the money would be used to fund the purchase of night vision goggles and other equipment, the indictment said.

    “He was also charged with money laundering for allegedly causing the transfer on Aug. 17 of about $25,000 from a bank account in New York to a bank account in Montreal, Canada. The money was to be used to provide material support to terrorist, prosecutors said.

    “CBS News has confirmed that Alishtari is a donor to the Republican Party, as he claims on his curriculum vitae. Alishtari gave $15,500 to the National Republican Campaign Committee between 2002 and 2004, according to Federal Election Commission records. That amount includes $13,000 in 2003, a year when he claims to have been named NRCC New York State Businessman of the Year.

    “Alishtari also claims to be a lifetime member of the National Republican Senate Committee’s Inner Circle, which the NRCC describes as “an impressive cross-section of American society – community leaders, business executives, entrepreneurs, retirees, and sports and entertainment celebrities – all of whom hold a deep interest in our nation’s prosperity and security.”http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/16/terror/main2488520.shtml

  71. J R
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    I’ve worked for both national and local companies.

    Political mom’s post is spot on.

    I can provide examples if necessary.

    Here’s one. 5 entire departments of a natioanlly know local aircraft producer were placed in the management of a 19 year old girl whose experience was limited to managing a Quick Trip. That and she was rather skilled at under the desk operation. She was given authority over machinists with up to 30 years of experience.

    It may be that the goofnut is skilled at sucking up.

    Would that be him slipping in his “choice” to be heterosexual?

  72. WSClark
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    I am unfamilar with the “choice” concept, JR.

    Do you have to re-choose each morning? Is there a certain time of day to choose? Can you change your mind during the day? Afternoon? Evening?

    What happens if you change your mind while on a date? If you are sliding into third base and you change your mind, does it still count or does that make you a pervert?

    Worst of all, what happens if you are having sex with your significant other when you change your mind? Do rockets go off, so to speak? Are you just supposed to grin and bear it?

    This is all so confusing.

    It was much easier when we all believed that folks were born either straight or gay.

  73. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Mongaloid [sic],”Hit a Triple” is now commonplace pharase [sic] to describe a child of privledge, truth be told.

    Truth be told: You are one sorry stupid creep. Down’s Syndrome is the correct term. Go to school, learn things, stay away until you do; okay? Thanks.

  74. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Junior,As usual – BS.

  75. Mr Kia
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    As I’ve heard said of Madonna, better than screwing (or blowing) your way to the bottom.

  76. J R
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Goofnut

    I will place my credibility against yours anytime.

    Just try not to get turned on and switch your sexual preference. Credibility is not a body part!

    Schmuck.

  77. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Junior,Again – all you have is name calling and lies about your so-called “work life.”

    “yeah, uh…this multi-national aircraft company I once worked for and hated…they…uh…made this cheerleader president cuz she carnal knowledge with a pilot”

    Yeah, that’s the ticket!

  78. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    “Yeah, that’s the ticket!”

    Walter Mitty has spoken.

  79. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    A primer for Nutz:

    http://www.who2.com/waltermitty.html

  80. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Davis,I read Thurber long ago. No primer needed.

  81. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Dave,

    Surprise, surprise…

    But, did you understand how his work applied to your pathetic life? That’s the real question…

  82. KSGolfnut
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Davis,My life isn’t pathetic at all. In fact, it’s an outstanding life. =)

    And, I appreciate your ongoing interest.

  83. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Going to bed. Will check the Davester tomorrow.

  84. Steven Davis
    Posted February 19, 2007 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Going to bed. Will check the Davester tomorrow.