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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted Feb. 13, 2007 at 1:04 a.m.
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The Bush regime has already been caught lying to the American public in order to justify attacking Iran.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=YXKIEPPGSTE2FQFIQMGCFFOAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2007/02/11/wiran511.xml
The supposed Iranian bomb is using western text, not the Farsi that the Iranians use. Oh well, American military intelligence at work again. I also wonder how they figured exactly how many Americans were killed with Iranian weapons. Probably some BS number they put in their heads. It’s no surprise the people presenting this “intelligence” refused to give their names or be recorded because they don’t want to be connected to the blatent lies they were ordered by the Bush regime to tell. They know what happened to patsy Colin Powell and his lies about WMD in Iraq.
So, will the press do their job this time and report the facts or just repeat whatever the Bush administration gives them?
City / County Officials Asleep at the Switch?
Greensboro NC has landed a 100 million dollar small jet manufacturing facility by Honda. Did Wichita / Sedgwick County make an effort to land the facility here, bringing 200 jobs and a huge construction program? The area calls it self the “Air Capital” — sounds like it’s losing it’s grip on the title.Seems they would rather spend their time and our money on “whistling at windmills” then in investing in bringing new manufacturing jobs here on a large scale.
Doug writes:”The supposed Iranian bomb is using western text, not the Farsi that the Iranians use”————-
Actually, your article says the ‘machining” was the determining factor – not the text. Are Iranians are so stupid they would send that obvious of a calling card? I wonder.
So – can I ask everyone here a question?
Would it matter to any of you if the explosives WERE from Iran that were killing our soldiers?
Would it make a difference to ANYONE?
“The twin revolutions have produced higher wages and incomes for almost all classes in the underdeveloped countries. The effect has been somewhat different in the advanced countries. The greatly increased ratio of low-cost labor to capital has raised the wages of highly skilled labor and the return on physical capital but has put downward pressure on the wages of low-skilled labor. The result has been a sharp widening in the differential between the wages of highly skilled and low-skilled labor in the United States and other advanced countries.
If the widening of the wage differential is allowed to proceed unchecked, it threatens to create within our own country a social problem of major proportions. We shall not be willing to see a group of our population move into Third World conditions at the same time that another group of our population becomes increasingly well off. Such stratification is a recipe for social disaster. The pressure to avoid it by protectionist and other similar measures will be irresistible.
So far, our educational system has been adding to the tendency to stratification. Yet it is the only major force in sight capable of offsetting that tendency. Innate intelligence undoubtedly plays a major role in determining the opportunities open to individuals. Yet it is by no means the only human quality that is important, as numerous examples demonstrate. Unfortunately, our current educational system does little to enable either low-IQ or high-IQ individuals to make the most of other qualities. Yet that is the way to offset the tendencies to stratification. A greatly improved educational system can do more than anything else to limit the harm to our social stability from a permanent and large underclass.”
Anon–why do you cut and paste quotes with no source material? It is rather annoying..you could be quoting from some high school student’s project for all we know.
raptor, I’ll bet this is it:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-023.html
“Would it make a difference to ANYONE?”
I am betting our soldiers would be just as dead regardless of the weapons’ point of origin.
I have a teenage son. If we keep having increasing our military interventions around the world, I can’t see where we will be able to avoid reinstituting the draft.
So, I am having a nearing stake in our foreign policy. I think we can find some better ways to do things than we are currently. The sooner we can start on these alternatives, the better – I say.
FYI for the naive’.
The USA sells weapons and munitions world-wide.All over the middle-east, Pakistan, and especially China.We have zero control over these once they leave the states.
Good morning Tracy, how’s yer Dad?
Hi Steven. We missed you yesterday :)
Supporting the troops – Bush style:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17117430/
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration’s budget assumes cuts to funding for veterans’ health care two years from now — even as badly wounded troops returning from Iraq could overwhelm the system.
Hey, Trace: First Important Question – What’s with your Dad? I was unaware of any “new: problem(s)?
Secondly, damned good point: “Black market weapons sales” don’t just occur on “24″. Real world. I’m certainly not implying where Iran is getting these weapons, but, where ever they’re coming from, out troops are getting just as dead , so it’s imperative that we find out and stop the flow. And, of course, it’s not as easy as it might sound — they’re like brush fires. You put one out, and four more spring up! But, that the name of the game, like it our not.
“Would it make a difference to ANYONE?”
Would it matter to any of you if the cause of our soldiers’ deaths WAS from Washington, DC?
Hi all,
What did I miss yesterday?
Indeed, CF.
The Rude One has a great post today from someone who deals with military deaths every day.
An excerpt:
“It drives me absolutely insane to hear and read the wingnuts rave about how liberals are rooting for our troops to die. I just want to scream at them that we’re the only ones who care.”
Read the whole post at:
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
rm64, Dad has been a quad for 12 or 13 years, I lose track.I quit talking about it here because some hateful f*#cks like to make fun of it.low-life mudders.
Steven, my wife’s mom died yesterday, other than that you probly didn’t miss much.Looks like KFG and GS going 12 rounds, that’s about all.
Trace: Of course, I knew about your Dad, on and off of here. But, I wasn’t aware of your Mother-In-Law. Heartfelt condolences to you’alls loss. Now, if it was my mother-in-law, well, that’s another story for another times :)
Sorry for you & your wife’s loss Tracey. I know we’ve discussed your dad.
Tracy, I’m sorry about your family’s loss and hope you all find comfort from one another.
GS asks: “Would it matter to any of you if the explosives WERE from Iran that were killing our soldiers?”
I would like to know the truth. Name a subject and I probably would like to know the truth instead of the “spin.” I’m not able to hear anything the current administration says and think objectively. They have proven themselves untrustworthy and I’m always more likely to disbelieve anything they say. They have spun everything too many times to have any credibility with me.
On this subject and in answer to this question: NO! We are in a war that should have never been started. There are thousands of people dead who should be alive. This president and his administration are responsible for those deaths. It makes no difference where the explosives / weapons came from.
{{HUGS}} to all of you, Tracy, and especially to your wife and her family.
I join with the others, Tracy, in offering condolensces to your wife, you, and all other family and friends.
Tracy – ditto the other sentiments; take care.
Tracelate to the bandwagon here but no less heartfelt. I’m so sorry for your family’s loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Sorry Tracy.
Totally changing the subject, now that he’s out of a job again, anybody suppose the Schottenheimer will finally face the fact that he’s “always the bridesmaid, and never the ride”? Or will he seek Andy Reid’s job at Philadelphia, now that Reid has placed himself on indefinite suspension to aid his son, who is looking at 9 major felonies, and the probability of a long, long prison sentence? And Jimmie Johnson (late of the Cowboys) is supposedly the owner of the San Diego Chargers’ son’s best friend? For everyone who has been able to follow this without a program, it sounds like a whore house on “half-price Tuesday night.
Meant to say “…never the bride”, but maybe the inadvertent pun says it just as well. :)
Deepest sympathies, Trace. Hang in there. All the best to you and yours.
Just saw on cnn.com that NOLA area was hit by a tornado; wonder if the whole area isn’t under a voodoo curse, and if so, to whom should the $$ be paid to remove it?
“…to whom should the $$ be paid to remove it?”
I bet Michael Brown won’t be on the job candidate list.
Antoher interesting tidbit from CNN…seems the Democrats couldn’t keep their promise about “working harder” for even 2 months. They are taking time off, working part time, and not doing any more than the Republicans they so soundly chastised for doing the exact same thing.
Moral of story..never re-elect anyone!
More interesting “stuff” going on in the world:
N. Korea Agrees to Nuclear Disarmament(Just some snips. Read the full article. Link below.)
BEIJING – North Korea agreed Tuesday to shut down its main nuclear reactor and eventually dismantle its atomic weapons program in exchange for millions of dollars in aid, just four months after the communist state shocked the world by testing a nuclear bomb.
The deal, reached after arduous talks, marks the first concrete plan for disarmament in more than three years of six-nation negotiations. The plan also could potentially herald a new era of cooperation in the region with the North’s longtime foes — the United States and Japan — also agreeing to discuss normalizing relations.
“We don’t have an agreement at this point even on the existence of this program but I certainly have made very clear repeatedly that we need to ensure that we know precisely the status of that,” said Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill, the American envoy to the talks. “It’s a very solid step forward.”
Under the deal, the North would receive initial aid equal to 50,000 tons of heavy fuel oil for shutting down and sealing its main nuclear reactor and related facilities at Yongbyon, north of the capital, within 60 days, to be confirmed by international inspectors. For irreversibly disabling the reactor and declaring all nuclear programs, the North will eventually receive another 950,000 tons in aid.
“I consider the agreement as a new milestone in denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula,” said South Korean Assistant Foreign Minister Chun Yung-woo.
But the deal drew strong criticism from John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the U.N., who urged President Bush to reject it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070213/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear
“Antoher interesting tidbit from CNN”
You might want to watch the whole video from CNN, Raptor, you view is a little distorted.
Of course, you Republicans were FINE with the 109th Congress working just 2 1/2 days per week – now it is a sin if the Democrats have a day in session when no votes are scheduled.
From the looks of things, neither Libby or Cheney, nor Wilson or Plame are going to testify at the Scooby Doo perjury trial.
Dang, I had hoped that Cheney would have a “chance” to testify under oath. He guess he slipped out of the noose again.
I am also curious why Wilson and Plame will not be testifying for Libby. I remember a poster here (Hank) that said that Wilson and Plame were squirming in their seats about having to testify.
If they were such a benefit to Scooby, why isn’t his defense team calling those two?
WSC, while I’m not trying the defense case, I’ll hazard a guess; there is nothing relevant in either’s potential testimony to anything brought up in the prosecution’s case. To phrase it somewhat differently, there was nothing placed into evidence during the prosecution’s case-in-chief which would call for their testimony on behalf of the defense.
My best guess at this time.
VT – are you referring to Cheney and Libby or M/M Wilson?
Today a large shipment of weapons from Russia to Iraq intercepted by the Italians. My questions is who isn’t selling weapons to Iraqis?
Sorry, WSC, was referring to M/M Wilson. On the VP, I would expect any attempt to call him as a witness would be subject to an attempt to block the same on the basis of Executive Privilege. Mr. Libby, of course, has no obligation to testify, given the presumption of innocence and the fifth amendment protection against self-incrimination.
Jim, only those without need for hard currency, IMHO.
A bit of an amplification on my comments about the VP and claim to privilege; without claiming such, he would have potentially been wide open for cross-examination on many things, on which I’m sure he (like many other witnesses) would prefer not to be questioned. I am hard pressed how defense counsel could have limited direct examination enough to avoid such while eliciting any testimony helpful to the defendant. But, then again, I’m no courtroom lawyer; there might well be a way to do so, but I can’t see how.
Brian Wilkes, at least a, if not the, contractor invovled in the “Duke” Cunningham matter is indicted today by a federal grand jury in California, together with the former #3 man at the CIA.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/02/former_no_3_cia.html
Kinda reminds me of an old expression: “Nobody minds a little pig, but hogs get slaughtered”.
…and in a related note, let’s not foget that when he went to prison, ole’ Duke Cunningham blamed his demise on (drumroll) the liberal media!!!!
Yes, it was the pesky liberal media – not the bribes and gifts that Duke took. Shoot, the Louis XIV toilet bowl was just an figment of the liberal media’s imagination.
When in doubt, blame it on the media.
Don’t forget Jim Ryun, he also says the media lost his election.
Honda Aviation has been out in South Carolina for years.
Two things against us that deters new aviation companies like Honda Aviation, Eclipes and Adams from coming here.
One: We are a high tax state.Two: Aircraft Manufacturing is dominated by Unions.
Until we turn those two around, we won’t be attracting new companies in.
They go where the taxes are lower and where they can run a plant without unions.
Learn from the Automobile Industry. Nobody going to go to Michigan to build a plant. Toyota, Nissan, Hyuandi, Honda and BMW all go to no-union states.
Jim Ryan sucked!
But! Nancy Boyda better enjoy her position, because the chances that Kansas will lose another congressional seat after the 2010 census is pretty good. And her seat is going to be the one to go.
Joe W………………and what is your beef with unions?
Nothing! People can unionize all they want. I’m just giving the facts for the reason why new aviation companies aren’t coming here or the reason why foriegn automakers build plants in states where they know they can be non-union.
Unions protect some exisiting jobs for those who are lucky, brown nose or have nepotisim to help keep them with a job, but they hamper growth, new business rentention and retaining our youth.
Just depends on what side of the fense you’re on.
Have you been to South Carolina, Joe? Those people are just flat out weird. It’s like they are stuck in a time warp back to the 1890’s. There are some seriously deranged people back there. I am Southern by birth, but those folks are in a world of their own.
I wonder if we can retroactively allow them to secede from the Union.
Never been to South Carolina.
Although they have a population double the size of Kansas and they experience double digit growth rates.
Yeah, yeah, I know about editing and selective choices. But take a look:
http://www.shoutfile.com/v/gSfSsCpR/Why_People_Believe_Americans_Are_Stupid
This is the type of “thinking” we have to address. The type that Fox/CNN/etc. encourages, for reasons of easy profit.
P.S. It is worth my time to battle the spam-bot (usually) to produce an active link. ;-)
LOL! How many of those people vote?
“There are some seriously deranged people back there. I am Southern by birth, but those folks are in a world of their own.”
Not to overstate or anything, but……………The growth rates Joe cites sez something.
ws- South Carolina tried to secede, the North wouldn’t let them. South Carolina fired the first shot.
Fun Fact To Know And Tell- Nobody was killed during the bombardment of Fort Sumter that started the Civil War. The fort was hit hundreds of times (34 hours worth) by cannon fire from the new Confederate States.
Only after the Major Anderson accepted defeat and did the ceremonial, surrender lowering of the US Flag with the usual flourishes of salutes and marching about did anyone die.
The damned cannon they used to honor the flag they were striking in defeat, blew up. Two men died.
This was on April 12-13, 1961.
On April 14, 1965, after the Rebels surrendered at Appomattix Court House, Major Anderson returned to Fort Sumnter and raised the same flag that was lowered in defeat 4 years previous.
Thank you for your indulgence.
You do mean 1861, right?
Maybe the growth rate is due to poor uneducated people breeding for God?
As usual, you have added nothing to the thread, just a heaping pile of bs.
I spent a few weeks in SC a few years ago – those folks are freakin’ nuts. Really.
There was an opinion piece in the local (Greenville) newspaper where the columnist complained that the PC folks would not let him tell certain jokes on the pages of the paper.
The man wanted to be able to tell “nigger” jokes in the daily paper!
His justification was the jokes were “funny” therefore they should be allowed.
We should allow SC to go there own way – starting now.
I’ve just recently had to deal with some folks from South Carolina, I hope that is not indicative of ALL of them. I didn’t even attribute their actions to where they were from till Clark said so.
Talk about some selfish, antisocial dickheads.
Pmom no matter the post why do you have to bring your hatred of God into the discussion?
“Maybe the growth rate is due to poor uneducated people breeding for God?”
This had absolutely nothing to do with the subject, was way out in ‘left’ field and contributed nothing. Kinda like those poor South Carolinians.
Does that hatred get heavy to carry around?
Jeez, Germie, do you have an English translation for your post?
I have read it three times and I still don’t have a clue as to what you are trying to say.
Poor South Carolinians?
Because the local paper won’t print “nigger” jokes?
Too bad.
WS I was referring to pmom’s post of why they might not be to smart. It seems to most of the bloggers here that if something goes wrong it is because of Bush, Haliburton or God- just take your choice. Re: Pmom’s 7:27 post. Just assumed you kept up with the ongoing discussion not that it was relavent – my point exactly.
Did you crap in your own soup bowl again, Germie?
As usual, you are full of it….
Why WS should I use smaller words? Can’t you keep up with ones with more that one syllable?
I was just following the thread and out of the blue came that comment – and you think there is something in my food.
This is the open thread germie.
And last I knew? No one put you in charge of it!
Really Grammy?
“Another driving force behind Amendment 1 is the Palmetto Family Council, headed by one Oran P. Smith. Testifying on Amendment 1 earlier this year before a state Senate subcommittee, Smith and those who testified with him provided an astounding insight into the Christian mentality. Those of us who know the right-wing Christian understand that, in his mind, sex exists solely for procreation. Any other use of it is evil. To the Christian, sex is the enemy which must be suppressed, subdued, banned, and abolished in all forms except the act of procreation. What is surprising is that they said it so clearly last spring in Columbia.
“Marriage operates to curb the results of irresponsible sex between persons of the opposite sex,” Bryan Babione, senior legal counsel for the Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund, told the solons. “But same-sex couples do not implicate or further the state’s interest in marriage.” That is to say, they do not have babies.
“Marriage turns on whether the couple has the potential to procreate,” Babione said.
At his turn, Smith testified, “[Marriage] is always about producing and raising the next generation of humanity which society needs … Marriage regulates sexuality. Marriage establishes sexual guardrails.”
charlestoncitypaper.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A19677
No wonder Cheney refused to take the stand for his scape-goated underling Libby.
Bush and Spokesliar Scottie are caught blatantly lying about the State of the Union Speech.
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/02/13/bush-caught-on-tape-lying-about-2003-sotu
Yesterday, in the perjury trial of Scooter Libby in the CIA leak scandal, the audiotape was played of Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward’s June 2003 interview with Armitage in which Armitage revealed Plame’s identity.
What has largely been overlooked — except, of course, by Keith Olbermann on MSNBC’s Countdown — is that the tape also revealed that around that same time Pres. Bush and his spokesman Scott McClellan both lied outright to the public about how a false statement about Iraq’s nuclear capabilities made it into Pres. Bush’s 2003 State of the Union speech.
A: … [Bush security officials Stephen] Hadley and Bob Joseph know. It’s documented. We’ve got our documents on it. We’re clean as a whistle. And George [Tenet, then-CIA Director] personally got it out of the Cincinnati speech of the president.
W: Oh, he did? …
W: It was taken out?
A: Taken out. George said you can’t do this.
W: How come it wasn’t taken out of the State of the Union then?
A: Because I think it was overruled by the [Vice Pres. Cheney] types down at the White House. [Then-National Security Adviser] Condi [Rice] doesn’t like being in the hot spot.
Later Bush claimed: “Well, the speech that I gave was cleared by the CIA. And, look, the thing that’s important to realize is that we’re constantly gathering data. Subsequent to the speech, the CIA had some doubts. But when I gave the — when they talked about the speech and when they looked at the speech, it was cleared. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have put it in the speech. I’m not interested in talking about intelligence unless it’s cleared by the CIA. And as Director Tenet said, it was cleared by the CIA.”‚Äì Pres. George W. Bush, July 2003
“If the CIA had said take it out, we would have taken it out.”‚Äì Scott McClellan
Isnt South Carolina also where the new suburbian christianists are moving to try to take over the state?
There is a group down there that picked S.C. as the place to start their theocracy, and they are encouraging “like minded” (simple minded?) people to actually move there and take over the government.
I’ll see if I can find a link but ya, S.C. as got to be in one of Dante’s lower rings. Hehehe. Probably the ring next to kansas.