Ted Haggard, the disgraced national evangelical leader accused of a homosexual relationship with a male prostitute, has been saved, according to four ministers who oversaw an intense three-week brainwash, er, counseling session with Haggard.
As of this week, “He is completely heterosexual,” declared the Rev. Tim Ralph, one of the counselors.
Halleleujah. But you wonder if Haggard might need lifetime oversight to keep him on the straight and narrow path.
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I feel really sorry for him. To be gay and be told his whole life that it’s shameful and sinful and disgusting, and then undergoe 3 weeks of brainwashing after a national disgrace…I hope the poor guy doesn’t off himself in a few years.
Yep, he CHOSE this, guys.
Poor guy – but as long as he stays locked in the dogma – he is part of the problem, not the solution.
No, he didn’t choose to be homosexual, be born into a non-forgiving cult, or to be publicly disgraced.
But he’s choosing to stay with the cult, when somewhere, deep down, he knows he is selling himself out.
Of course gays don’t choose to be gay, there is plenty of research that has disproved that idea.
They MUST stick up for themselves, and we straight folks must also stick up for them – if the millennium-old persecution that targets them – is ever to end.
At the same time- they need to present a respectable front for their cause. A gay man who runs a business, wears a tie, and takes part in civic affairs helps the gay cause so much more than the parades in California where the gay man wears nothing but combat boots, a leather thong and a dog collar with spikes. Yuk.
The media ought not even show those kinds of pictures as they give those who harbor anti-gay thoughts a foothold.
Most of GS’s post this a.m. almost makes sense. Good improvement.
Agreed Steven. Good morning.It must be back on it’s meds.
Yes, that Geodon does miracles.
Ted Haggard
Charges:Owner of Colorado’s most popular apse.Believes and preaches demonstrable falsehoods to the willfully ignorant.The quintessential hypocrite; Pastor Ted gives queer meth freaks a bad name and makes drug-dealing prostitutes seem like shining beacons of credibility by comparison.A born-again self-deluder who vainly tried to use religion as a magic force-field against natural human desires.Typifies the now-cliché evangelical method of obsessively condemning homosexuality in a thinly veiled act of self-loathing and compartmentalized denial.
Haggard’s been cruising Colorado Springs area gay bars for years in search of men to “save,” and baptized many.As the leader of the 30-million strong National Association of Evangelicals, Haggard had a weekly meeting of the morons with the Cokehead in Chief, yet for all his riches he never figured out that quality cocaine is far superior to crystal meth.
Exhibit A: “We don’t have to debate what we think about homosexuality – it’s in the bible.”
Sentence: Leviticus 20:13.13 ” ‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”
Had to look that one up.
Geodon is prescribed to treat schizophrenia. It is also used for the short-term treatment of mania associated with bipolar disorder. Researchers believe that it works by opposing the action of serotonin and dopamine, two of the brain’s major chemical messengers. Because of its potentially serious side effects, Geodon is typically prescribed only after other medications have proved inadequate.
He’s gay Tara? What’s the definition? His wife and kids might think otherwise, based on their life with him.
Haggard had a destructive attraction that he did not resist, and it laid a major whuppin’ on his life. If you believe in a devil, he attacked Haggard at his weak point and he brought a high profile Christian down.
Hopefully, God will provide him the the strength to live his life as He would have him.
outlander,I hope you’re right, but I think you can see how some might be skeptical.
Anyone see the documentary on HBO called Friends of God?
It is very very good, I recommend it.
So I guess fundies don’t take Leviticus seriously.That’s good.I’ll remember that when we get into it about me not believing in a litteral interpretation and “cherry picking”.
out&outliar says “If you believe in a devil, he attacked Haggard at his weak point and he brought a high profile Christian down.”
This is the rapture-right’s latest excuse for all the high profile Christians that can’t seem to “resist evil” these days. You see, they are so GOOD that Satan uses every trick he’s got to discredit them.
So, it’s not really their fault. If they weren’t such good Christians to begin with, the devil wouldn’t work so hard to bring them down.
This from the party of “personal responsibility,” meaning of course personal responsibility for others.
When THEY make a mistake, why, the devil made them do it because they were so righteous.
Magical thinking coupled with massive hypocrisy . . . typical.
Your ignorance is showing again, Capn. It’s hanging out for all to see. Please, cover it up.
And btw, Rush Limbaugh never says anything racist, according to out&outliar. Any quotes posted to show what he said are nothing but scurriulous LIES . . . until it is proven that he did indeed say them.
Then it’s just a JOKE, sure it’s just a joke . . . and libs don’t get it because we have no sense of humor.
Just look at all these absolutely side-splitting JOKES the hilarious Mr. Limbaugh has made the world a better place with:
Referring to Donovon McNabb, “The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.”
“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”
“but a majority of young blacks feel alienated from today’s government. Why would that be? The government’s been taking care of them their whole lives.”
Wait! I got it!
Limbaugh, being such a good Christian, the Devil makes him say hateful racist things . . .
Same with the drugs, apparently.
GMC used that same line on me about two days ago, o&oliar.
It wasn’t good then either.
Put up or STFU.
Your hate seems to be consuming you Capn. You are making even less sense than usual. Well, have fun.
Thanks for the memory, Outie.
Flip Wilson as Geraldine saying “The Devil made me do it.”
Problem is o&o………Capn is correct, and you are angry because of this.
Okay, one more time.I’m supposed to believe in young earth creationism as fact,Noah really did all that, etc.,but ignore Leviticus 20:13?Why?
Not hate but frustration, o&oliar.
Trying to get a rapture-righter (YOU) to simply admit you were wrong–when you were totally exposed as wrong–is harder than grabbing a greased weasel.
I noticed that you opted not to take my 5000 dollar bet.
The rapture-right is full of blow and wind but the four words they won’t utter is “I’ll take that bet.”
When it comes to money, they don’t kid around.
Among the poorest of the poor–single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children. Food stamp recipients are 37.2 percent Black and 46.2 percent White.
Hey, good snag, Tracy.
I agree.
It’s now my duty as a Christian to make sure that gays get “put to death.”
It says so right there in the Bible.
Anyone who thinks differently is questioning the unalterable and inviolate word of God.
Let the stoning begin.
And let it begin with Ted Haggard.
(Disclaimer–this is sarcasm. I do not actually want to see anyone stoned.)
Hehe, Fttttwd learned how to Google.
His own statistics show that Limbaugh would have been MORE correct if he had said that the government has been taking care of WHITE kids all their lives.
But I guess that’s why Limbaugh is so popular with you people–it beats THINKING.
We can agree that Rush was off in his numbers. With Blacks comprising 13% of the population, you would agree that it is disturbing.
Actually, Fleet, we can’t determine much of anything from those figures.
All you show is the percentage of white and black using Aid to Dependent Children and Food Stamps.
You didn’t show how many whites or blacks were being helped. Maybe it was 100,000. That would be a tiny fraction of both the white and black populations.
GS – well stated comments – I might even say articulate! (at the risk of ‘insulting’ you) ;^)
But Rush certainly does a fine job of reinforcing those negative stereotypes, doesn’t he.
And apparently there’s a big audience who has a compulsive need to feel better than poor people.
Congrats, Fleet and o&oliar.
You’re part of that audience.
The left resorts to their tired, old arguments and naming calling. The devil, or course, would like to see me join in the deliberately provocative and ignorant arguments that Capn and tracy are making. Nah, don’t think I’ll go there today.
Oh, TWIMC, the Bible teaches that the devil is real, but he can’t “make me do it”. We all have free will. If we are tempted, we have a choice.
You are not making sense, capn.If a population makes up 13% and receives 40% of the “pie”, something is out of whack.Feeling better than somebody has nothing to do with it.
If this “miracle cure” is so effective, I can think of several posters that should consider taking it for their various ailments!
Using the “Devil” to excuse your INABILITY to respond to our arguments is more of the same kind of lying:
Self-deception.
The worst kind.
The kind that gets us enmeshed in illegal and immoral wars for example.
Just out of curiousity, if God created everything, why did He create the Devil?
And if God created the Devil to tempt us, did He defeat His purpose by having Jesus go through that messy thing with the cross to save us?
Could God just have avoided the need to have us saved if He had just not created the Devil?
Capn; you notice the excited, desperate, dark feeling motivating you? Why do you suppose you have that? Is it causing you to think good thoughts? To act well? Is it a good thing?
When I start to get that feeling, I get out. Nothing good can come of it.
Fleet–
I hope you’re not managing anybody’s money.
You’re right that blacks make up 13 percent of the population while using 40 percent of AFDC.
But that doesn’t tell us the PERCENTAGE OF BLACKS that use AFDC. It only tells us the percentage of blacks vs whites on AFDC.
If you had 20 people on AFDC and 8 of them were black, that would be 40 percent.
But it in no way would justify saying that “government has been helping black kids all their lives” since only 8 kids out of some 40 MILLION blacks were helped.
And speaking of gov’t helping people all their lives, what about the white kids that get grants and loans to go to college? What about all the tax exemptions that businesses get that you and I don’t get? What about all the oil and lumber and minerals that are publicly owned and getting sold out from under us to private firms? What about military pensions?
Nope. When Rush means “government help” he means welfare. Welfare to the rich doesn’t count, even though it’s much more costly to us as a nation and benefits far fewer people.
And when he means welfare, he means “lazy blacks.”
And then you people get to pat yourselves on the ass because you’re so damn much better.
No, I don’t notice that, o&ol.
I’m not big on magical thinking.
I’m interested in dealing with the world with as much rationality as I can muster.
There is zero scientific proof that homosexuality is anything but a choice. No “gay gene” has been found.
Well than KsGolfnut, why don’t you choose to have sex with a person of the same sex tonight and report back to us tomorrow how that worked out for you.
Just because it hasn’t been found yet doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist Golf.
Remember, they used to kill people with epilepsy because they thought they were possessed by demons.
Gee, interesting, this topic just went right back to o&o and his demon possessions!
I swear fundies should just smoke the bible, it’d probably make them less high.
The RR often claims that medical science has not “found” the gay gene, therefore, homosexuality is a choice.
Well, medical science has not found the gene for blue or brown eyes either, so therefore eye color is a choice.
Medical science has not found the autism gene, so therefore autism is a choice.
In actuality, medical science has discovered some differences in the brain between homosexual and hetrosexual people. Unless these people have discovered a way to change the composition of their brains, we would have to conclude that gays and lesbians are BORN that way.
KCDude,I don’t have to make that choice. I know it wouldn’t “work out.”
I choose to be heterosexual.
PM,You can go right along chasing fantasies all you like…isn’t that really what liberalism is anyway?
KSGolfnut,
If you ‘choose’ to be heterosexual, that implies that homosexuality is, at some level, an option for you. That is, that you find men attractive, but CHOOSE not to act on that attraction.
It isn’t an option for me: I find men sexually repellent. (No offense, guys)
Are you saying you don’t, KSGolfnut?
DA,Per usual, you’re just making stuff up.
Eye color, hair color, height – physical appearance are clearly genetic. Tall parents typically have tall kids.
Autism is a disorder of the central nervous system. If you’re saying that homosexuality is also a disorder – then we agree.
Those that say homosexuality is a choice use that argument to justify their hatred and discrimination against gays and lesbians.
That is the only reason someone would claim that being gay is something someone chooses.
K-nut
CausesAutism has no single, identifiable cause. The disorder seems to be related to abnormalities in several regions of the brain. Researchers have identified a number of gene defects associated with autism.
outie, I’m not arguing anything.I asked a question that you conveniently dodged.
“deliberately provocative and ignorant arguments that Capn and tracy are making. Nah, don’t think I’ll go there today.”
Okay, one more time.I’m supposed to believe in young earth creationism as fact,Noah really did all that, etc.,but ignore Leviticus 20:13?Why?
I’ll check back on that.
CF,Earlier in life, I found broccoli to be utterly unpalatable. I would submit that broccoli was orally repellent. Now, I love the stuff. I know it’s good for me, and I made the choice to change.
Of course I don’t find men sexually attractive. Nor do I find black women attractive. I do have a fondness for cheerleaders.
Choices.
I’m heterosexual, but I don’t remember any defining moment when I “made” that choice.
Was it then genetic and not by choice??
Hmmmmmmmmm..
“Those that say homosexuality is a choice use that argument to justify their hatred and discrimination against gays and lesbians.”
More dumb logic, DA.
While I submit repeatedly that homosexuality is a choice, I have no hatred for gays at all. In fact, I kinda like lesbians. We have a few things in common.
Well if its a choice Golf, why don’t you find men attractive?
It is foolish of you to think that you understand the all workings of the mind, chemistry, genes and sexuality.
It would be foolish of anyone working in the mayo clinic or John’s Hopkins to do the same.
KS can you show me the research on the gene findings in autism?
Golfnut at what age did you choose to no longer be attracted to men? You had to be born attracted to both in order to make a choice, other wise you were born hetrosexual, so there was no choice.
To what “gene findings” do you refer?
I think judging a relationship by sexual behavior is probably not the best measure of how we as a human beings should be evaluating relationships. I’m pretty sure the Bible tell us not to judge as we really can’t be the judge of anything because we lack the wisdom of God.
I believe a man can love a man or a woman can love a woman. I can find any fault in a love relationship. I can find fault in a relationship built only on sexual pleasure, whether it be homosexual or heterosexual.
For sure, sex can be important to a relationship, but to use it as a standard for love would be a sad thing indeed. What happens as time goes by and there is a disinterest because there is nothing new of that same old bag of bones you’ve been popping.
Because there wasn’t really any true and lasting love in the relationship, it will probably fail.
A simplistic view maybe, but I think sexual desire and love are two different things. One can have both, but they can’t hold lust as a standard of lifestyle.
I believe this is what Haggard did. That is, he held lustful personal desire above all else in his life and look what it got him.
He committed an act of selfish fulfillment and vanity. And if one takes the Bible as a guide, this is what caused Lucifer to be cast out of heaven; self-importance above others; lust for power; vanity.
Lust is a power driven and doesn’t have to be sexual. It can be driven by disdain of others, insecurities of achieving actualization and instant gratification without commitment.
So if Rev. Haggard chose to have homosexual relations with a male prostitute, than why did he have to go thru an intense three-week counseling session. Why didn’t he choose to stop acting on his gay tendencies?
Cheri,I don’t remember exactly, but when Abby Wilson planted a big ol’ kiss in my lips in 1st grade – my decision was pretty much sealed. I was confident that her kiss was far superior to any that I might receive from a boy.
JM–
Thanks for the sermon.
Now back to the topic.
KSGolf doesn’t find black women “attractive.”
That is a huge relief to Whitney Houston, Tyra Banks, Selma Hayak, Beyonce and black women everywhere.
But putting GoofNuts weird theories of attractivness aside, answer the question: when did you make the choice to only jump women’s bones and not men’s?
Cause I never made that choice and I don’t make it now.
To clarify, it was made for me by what I can only guess is natural instinct.
Much like learning your first language . . . it’s not a choice.
Damn, eeyore is even making thoughtful agreeable posts today.Priceless.
Balls, Abbey called.Your kiss must have really effected her too…….now she’s gay. HAMornin’ Balls.
It is my observation that the most militant against homosexuals are maybe hiding in plain sight. YOU know? Like Haggard was? Like Fred Phelps probably is?
Does this tell us anything about outie or the goof nut? Who can say?
Hey outlander? If “the devil” would offer me a little more aid and comfort then your desert god has? I’ll take it!
I feel sorry for this Haggard guy. But he IS reaping a little of what he himself has inflicted on others. Who can imagine what sorta Jesus camp they put him through? Tara has it right. The guy will likely kill himself in the end.
HAHA!She probably is. She was a little 1st grade jock – could hit a baseball as well as any boy.
Didn’t Luke Tiahrt hang himself for being Gay?
Who says I’m militanly anti-gay? I’m just saying it’s a choice.
CapnAmerica, Tracy and anyone else: You can address me by my screen name or don’t address me at all.
If you want to play childish games of name-calling, don’t drag me down to your level. I would just as soon be ignored than to be called what I have chosen as a screen name.
For me, my sexuality wasn’t a choice. I’ve never been attracted to women, so I didn’t have to choose between men or women. For people to say it is a choice, they have to have been attracted to both and have choosen to deny their attraction towards one sex.
Choice would imply that If I went to a bar I would chose to to buy the blonde chick or the red headed chick a drink ask for one or the others number ect. Since I’m not gay doing that with Steve the Bouncer isn’t a option. So if you have to consciously choose between Guy vs Girl you probably have some latent homosexual issues or at least are Bi
Eier-That’s all they have. They seem to have a preoccupation with sexual things and bodily functions. Another reason why Lib talk radio hasn’t/won’t work. When forced to talk about the issues, they are bankrupt.
“I don’t remember exactly, but when Abby Wilson planted a big ol’ kiss in my lips in 1st grade – my decision was pretty much sealed. I was confident that her kiss was far superior to any that I might receive from a boy.”
So can you understand the same thing happening in reverse?
Sounds to me like the goof nut is a “free agent”.
If Bill Shirley had gotten to him before Abby Wilson did?
Not that there is anything wrong with that. Apart from hypocrisy I mean.
“That’s all they have. They seem to have a preoccupation with sexual things and bodily functions. Another reason why Lib talk radio hasn’t/won’t work. When forced to talk about the issues, they arebankrupt.”
Fleettwood,It is the religious right and the Repugs that want to control what people do in the privacy of their homes. So who talks more about sex?
So tell us when you last listened to Thom Hartmann, Ed Schults, Stephanie Miller, The Young Turks, Laurie Flanders? Liberal and progessive radio will be around a good long time.Can you tell me which ones above use to be Republicans? Can you tell me which ones are liberal and which are progressive? Can you tell me who’s father was on a republican ticket for Vice-President?
I can at least say I don’t limit myself to one side of the politcal debate.
You got it, JM. No problem.
Hehe . . . I see that nobody’s answering the question CF raised.
How can homosexuality be a choice without hetrosexuality also being a choice?
And when did you choose, FleetHanko&oJMNuts?
The only reason those who abhore homosexuality insist that it’s a “choice” is so they can judge and condemn gays and feel rightous about their intolerance.People don’t “choose” to have a homosexual orientation, and if you don’t believe that, why don’t you just ask someone who is gay?Yes, sexual behavior is a choice, but the orientation isn’t.
Hehe . . . I see that nobody’s answering the question CF raised.
How can homosexuality be a choice without hetrosexuality also being a choice?
And when did you choose, FleetHanko&oJMNuts?
Good point, Capt. I don’t ever remember making a “choice”, the thought of having sex with another girl would never have even occurred to me, yuck!!
Cap’n and Mary Caruso,
With respect to the ducked question, indeed. But then it’s still us liberals who can’t talk about issues.
As Ted Haggard, KSGolfnut, and [not so]fleetwood again remind us, what would the Right be without projection?
“Earlier in life, I found broccoli to be utterly unpalatable. I would submit that broccoli was orally repellent. Now, I love the stuff. I know it’s good for me, and I made the choice to change.
Of course I don’t find men sexually attractive. Nor do I find black women attractive. I do have a fondness for cheerleaders.”
Anybody else find KSGolfnut’s language in all of this, well, more than a little creepy? Too much information.
Ha ha ha! Here’s the take on Pastor Ted Haggard from General J.C. Christian, the Heterosexual Christian Patriot.
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“Rev. Tim RalphNew Covenant Fellowship
Dear Rev. Ralph,
As happy as I was to hear that Pastor Haggard is no longer a homosexual, I’m very disappointed with the way you announced his cure. You made it sound as if he underwent three weeks of some kind of psychological counseling, thus blowing an opportunity to bring God’s word to a wider audience.
We both know that Pastor Haggard was possessed by the homosexuality demons he’s been battling very publicly for most of his adult life. Obviously, these demons had grown tired of the rebuking they received when Pastor Haggard and his spiritual warriors laid siege to homosexual bars and federal buildings or used a garden sprayer to anoint an especially sinful intersection.
You can’t rid a man of a homosexual demon infestation with three weeks, or even a lifetime, of counseling. It takes an exorcism. Pastor Haggard knew that. He preached it at his church. I find it hard to believe that he would choose counseling over exorcism for his own cure. Certainly, he underwent the latter, subjecting his demon-ridden body to a thorough three-week rebuking.
So why didn’t you just tell the media the truth? Were you afraid of being mocked by those who might not understand the exorcism process? It’s bound to happen. After all, the “Anointing of the Wesson Oil,” the “Donning of the Bottomless Chaps,” the “Squealing, Even As A Pig Squealeth,” and “The Application of The Spatula of the Terrible Rebuking,” probably seem very strange to someone who hasn’t hear the Word. But that’s no excuse for hiding the truth away like it’s something of which you are ashamed. Such fears shouldn’t prevent us from sharing the gospel.
I’m very disappointed in you. I pray that you’ll make amends by contacting the press and telling the whole story very soon.
Heterosexually yours,
Gen. JC Christian, patriot”
CF:Nutless IS creepy.
CapnAmerica,
I gave you a chance, now I will file a complaint with Typepad and Kansas.com. They seem to let you get away with a lot here and it will stop, I will make it a project.
If you want to call me by some code name of “JM” whatever that is, then do so I will ignore you. I inclined to think it’s a racist remark that you are disguising and will point it out to those in charge. You seal your own fate by comparing me to some Jim Crow adjective and I don’t appreciate it.
If you was to meet me face to face, I’m sure you wouldn’t call me these names, so why are you using your hiding behind a computer screen making this different.
If the blog monitor is watching I request that CapnAmerica be timed out a few days to remind him that his tactics of racist innuendo is not to be tolerated.
Yeah CF.
It’s kinda like I was saying. Goofnut protesteth TOO much……
Eier,
“JM” is a name under which another individual has posted in the past. To my knowledge, it has no racist connotation. All the Cap’n is doing is saying that you’re the poster formerly known as JM–who, as far as I know, hasn’t been seen around here for a while.
Maybe you are JM. Maybe you aren’t JM. Maybe the Cap’n is right. Maybe the Cap’n is wrong. Who knows. Who cares.
I think you’re barking up the wrong tree to read his attribution of the name ‘JM’ to you as racist in some way. Saying that you’re ‘inclined’ to think it’s a racist remark is definitely NOT sufficient in this case. And I suspect the editors will agree with me and reject your effort to goad them into playing blog nanny.
Wow eeyore, that sounds serious.Hmmmm, what do you think blograts?This thing wanna be a blog nazi or what?It wants to set the rules here,with a threatening authoritarian tone no less!
It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it is told.
It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.
Yes, it will, Precious, won’t it? It will get the hose!
Now it places the lotion in the basket.It places the lotion in the basket.
Put the f*#king lotion in the basket!
What about KSGolf and black cheerleaders?
JM doesn’t have any problem with Bush’s racism and Rush’s racism.
How can he possibly object to me when what I’m saying isn’t racist.
Question, Eier, if you aren’t JM, how did you know that JM refered to you?
It’s JM, same loopy feigned “outrage” over nuthin’ and the same language.
“They seem to let you get away with a lot here . . . ”
Well, gee, uh Eier, you sure know a lot for having posted here exactly two days in a row.
JM, your cover is blown.
Give it up.
TRACY,
‘Threatening, authoritarian tone?’ Methinks you do Eier too much credit. Sounded more to me like Eier was crying for mommy than calling down hellfire. But what do I know? I’m just a cynical liberal who uses my mixed-race son to win arguments–or so says Ire.
‘It puts the lotion in the basket.’ That reminds me of the best rock video EVER!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.threebrain.com/dailies2.php?daily=478
Perhaps Ted Haggard and his bunch are only staging this reborn from the gay lifestyle with 3 weeks of intense counseling because this is their next big way to make money off the gullible?
Also, it has been several months since Haggard’s fall from grace and they know the average person’s attention span is now next to nothing. After all, he did repent and did go to his rehab of 3 weeks counseling sessions.
What a crock but I’m sure it is selling well to the Religious Righties. This way they can once again make Haggard into a glorious preacher and heap millions of dollars into his pockets. But in reality, deep down, is Haggard really a changed man?
Okay
Then I can conclude that Kansas.com blog is a racist blog that supports racists like CapnAmerica.
The moment I mentioned I’m black CapnAmerica starts in on me.
You call yourself Liberals, the so-called tolerant ones. You are the most intolerant people I have ever had the displeasure of witnessing on a blog.
Go to hell all of you.
Are you going to stomp off all mad again, JM?
And say “you’re never coming back, dammit!”
Please do.
Eier– OK fine.Don’t forget the Midol!
Ciao..
Jesus Christ, these God threads are a hoot to read.
Whoa eggs (eire) you sure got an inflated view of your importance here!
You seem also a little more than scrabled. Capn a racist?
Eier,
Thanks for giving all of us a first-hand demonstration of what it means to ‘play the race card’; namely, when losing a substantive argument (or even a trivial one, as was the case here), denounce your opponents as racist.
Clarence Thomas couldn’t have done it any better. And that’s saying something.
eeyore, I didn’t know you are black.News to me.But that doesn’t change my opinions or feelings towards your arrogant attitude.So I guess I’m not racist enough for you to hate, huh?Sorry.And why do we have to validate our non-racism with you?We’ve been here for YEARS.We know each other.There’s a few bigots, a couple of border-line racists (Ians gone),and a WHOLE BUNCH of sarcastic pricks who meet right here everyday for the same ritual.If you don’t wanna be part of the ritual, then by all means, excuse yourself and politely leave.Good day sir.
Howdy Heckler.Long time no-see,you sarcastic prick! ;-)HA!
Tracy
Thank you, Thank you very much.
What is with Eier? Reporting someone because he thinks someone is making a racist remark, give me a break.
Eier, you sound just like a whining crybaby repug, oh sorry, you are one.
CapnAmerica said: “Put up or STFU.”
Is that appropriate language for a gentle peace activist to use?
Can we get back on topic now.
Some of you guys are worst than dumb blonds, you can’t keep your brain concentrating on one thing longer than one minute.
Oh shit, now I have offended blonds, sorry ha,ha.
Hey, Heckler, what up?
I agree–it is a hoot!
SWEET!I’ve become “creepy” to CF. Thank you JESUS! Maybe, hopefully, next meet-up, he won’t feel compelled to stand 3 inches away from me while conversing.
Whew! I’m glad that’s settled.
KSGolfnut,
At least I’m not the one who had to ‘choose’ not to be attracted to men.
n–
Normally, I don’t respond to hit and run posters like you, but I just wanted to let you know that you have me confused with somebody else.
I’m not particularly gentle, and I’m sure as hell not a pacifist.
However, in denouncing an immoral, illegal, and idiotic war, yes, I’m against it.
60’s hippies were interested in “making statements” like flowers in gun barrels.
I’m not. I’m interested in organizing for power.
See “Saul Alinsky.”
Balls, I can’t believe the dude was sore cause I called him eeyore.Isn’t that much milder than many of my favorite monikers?And hell, I could care less what color he is.
“See ‘Saul Alinsky.’”
. . .Smiling at the (fairly common) lack of comprehesion that inevitably greets such a reference.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
It is instinctual for all animals to procreate. This is an excuse many liberals and other science types have used as an apology for the likes of former President Clinton to remain a faithful husband. It isn’t a character flaw, rather it is just man’s basic instinct to spread his seed as much as possible.
So with this theory in place, and the scientific fact that sex among two animals of the same sex would not produce children, homosexuality then must be a defect or handicap if you will.
How would you rather have it libs?A choice? Or a handicap?
The Truth,
Phony argument, there. As it happens, homosexuality is pretty widely distributed through mammalian behavior. Are you therefore going to make the argument that, for example, male dogs ‘choose’ to have sex with one another?
Pure idiocy, your attempt to recast nature along ideological and voluntarist lines.
I must disagree with some of my people on my side of the aisle. I think homos are born that way, not made.The problem the Christian types have with that is the Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is wrong, but (I think) because they were born that way, God must have made a mistake. God, of course, can’t make a mistake, but if homos are indeed born, He did. That’s a problem that can only be solved by denying they are born that way. I don’t like men flaming or women butchy. I don’t like men who are the super macho types or women who are wilting flowers.A problem the homos still have is people in general laugh at and makes jokes about the flaming/mincing male types and the bulldog female types. Until that goes away, if ever, they will not be accepted as equals.
Hotwood–if that was really you–let’s talk.
It’ll never go away. We love to laugh at homos. In fact, the commercial that got far and away the most laughs at the Super Bowl party I attended…the Snickers “quick! do something manly!” ad.
P.S. As JR says, my email is live.
Sounds like cruex’s tortured logic
That was me, every word. What’s the prob?
I promised myself I wasn’t even going into this topic … oh, well! How in the hell did this go from Ted “I was gay, before I wasn’t gay, because the coffers were suffering” Haggard to race? Mark McCormick’s editorial this morning speaks volumes, of you want to talk about race. Haggard is just another Jim Bakker, Roe Messner, Oral Roberts, or Jimmy Swaggart phony — he can screw camels, armadillos, or hummingbirds, for all I care. It still won’t give him any credibility.
Send me an email, Mr. Guitar Player. We’ll talk about it.
We’ll talk about it right here.
Goofnut
Given you and the folks who call you friend, I am not surprised to learn of your fondness for low brow humor.
Hey isn’t eggs back from telling on us yet?
Thanks, rm, on several threads.
I won’t give you a “free pass,” because I seriously disagree with you on a number of issues.
But you’re at least worth the disagreement.
Nutjob
>Nor do I find black women attractive.
You have problems. It’s not worth trying to find out why that is, evidence shows some of the most beautiful women on this planet are black.
You have built up some animosity that has nothing to do with them.
They can be great, you are nuts.
I should tell the former KC Chiefs cheerleader friend of mine your problem. She’s black, hot and out of your league. All professional cheerleaders are.
College cheerleaders as well.
You got some teen dreams about cheerleaders?
Thanks, Rage … I’ll take that as the compliment it was meant to be.
KFG, notwithstanding the “hall of mirrors” aspect of it, this might be progress. Or maybe a misjudgment on my part.
Fleet: I understand. I’m not gay. But I’m not particularly bothered by “men flaming” or “women butchy.” That’s reality; it may not have made its way into a Norman Rockwell painting, but it’s been around forever.
I have had some uncomfortable experiences with unfamiliar gay men. I also have several gay friends. The streetside offers of fellatio have long since become irrelevant. The friends haven’t.
Reality, ya know? It’s bit more complicated than we’d like to believe.
Rage-I wasn’t trying to step on toes, it’s just my opinion. I don’t care for nose/eyebrow/cheek piercings or facial tattoos. So what? It’s their deal. But, I’m not one to want it banned, I’m Libertarian that way.
Fleet: Okay, your thing is politics. A whole lotta blahblahblah there.
Gay people::Human rights:LibertianLeaveMeTheHellAlone::Freedom
How about it, man? Goverment outta our face–right?
GNutz: Statistically, about 1 in 7 people are homosexual, overall. Certainly, in some environments, the number is lower; some higher. Giving you benefit of the doubt, and doubling that figure to 1 in 14, just exactly how many people were laughing theirs asses off at the Super Bowl party you atteneded?
mrage,Why take all of this so personally? I’m not a racist. I’m just not afraid to express my personal preferences. Don’t you have some? Doesn’t everyone?
rm, I seriously doubt your claim that 1 in 7 is a homo. Please provide proof.
Mrage,
My feeling exactly regarding Nutjob’s comment.
Halle Berry? India Arie? Beyonce? Mary Wilson? Lauren Hill? Naomi Campbell? Thandie Newton? Venus Williams? These women are gorgeous. And stratospherically out of Golfnut’s league.
Between his strange indifference to the beauty of black women and his ‘choice’ of heterosexuality, KSGolfnut needs to deal with some issues.
Though CF is discriminating when it comes to the ladies, he does not discriminate: a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman.
I got this from http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t+62719 (so I won’t get “botted”, here) but find me a number that you like better, and I’ll double it, for your sake. You still haven’t come even close to answering the question that I asked. It appears that you have completely missed the point … conveniently. Perhaps, they all laughed. Just for different reasons.
“Though CF is discriminating when it comes to the ladies, he does not discriminate: a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman.”
Damned right, CF, and some of the absolutely most beautiful women in the world are women of color.
Personally, I am having a hard time choosing between Halle Berry and Selma Hayek.
WSClark,
“Choosing”–as if either of us should be so lucky.
Nonetheless, CF’s brain short-circuits at the thought of having to make such an impossible choice, as well as at the thought of what would follow–in his wildest dreams, anyway.
So Ted Haggard is cured of homosexuality? That isn’t what he needs to be cured of; he needs treatment for runaway bigotry!I know a couple of people who went through the Exodus treatment here and it was remarkably unsuccessful. I also know a psycologist who has built a practice around the people those “treatment programs” have dumped. She has to put them back together after the abuse inflicted on them in the name of Jesus, and help them accept their gay orientation. It would be so much simpler (and cheaper) to grant them acceptance from the beginning.
Cancer is a disease. Sexual orientation is not. Only one of them is in need of a “cure”.
Ok, fleets enema is usually the one who has a fit over what someone calls him.
Eeyore comes in out of the blue, JM and enema aren’t around.
Eeyore leaves, and enema suddenly appears.
And it is rather interesting that eeyore knew EXACTLY who was being referred to as “JM”.
Seek mental help. Seriously.
Halle Berry is ok, although she’s only half black.
The rest of those – keep ‘em.
CF, someone else on here used to make a career out of telling me what I ‘need.’ It was always a good source of laughter for me. I’ve done pretty well for myself and my family; I have no out-of-wedlock children. I doubt you have any real insight regarding what I might ‘need.’
However, please do continue. I always ‘need’ a good laugh, and when I do, I’ll be sure to ax(e) you.
rm – well said. As for the fraction, I had heard something like 1 in 10. But, who knows?
Yeah, rm, very well said. I’ve heard differing numbers (1 in 7, 1 in 10, 1 in 12) over the years in various reports.
The recent study about the sheep indicated 8% (roughly 1 in 12) of the rams were homosexual. It is hard for me to believe that the percentage of other mammalian species would be too much different.
Hey Ted, how did you celebrate your newfound hetero status?
Rump roast?
JM/Eier is nothing about anything but name-calling. Then he gets his bowels in a peeve, because someone uses the “racial slur” JM. Priceless. Couldn’t order up more entertaining fare.
I don’t know, SD, CF, Trace and Capn… if you called me JM I would get pretty upset.
Not because it is racial in any manner, but just the comparison with JM.
Calling someone JM just MIGHT be a little over the top.
(For those that don’t know of JM, this is heavy sarcasm.)
I like a beautiful woman on the outside, I can look at one all day long and they are captivating, interesting and command admiration.However, some are just as beautiful on the inside and they are captivating, interesting and command admiration just as well.
Just to add to the debate about the percentage of homosexuality, it is a natural selection process of weeding out the weakness of specie.
We had a gay boar once. He had one blue eye and one brown eye (should’ve been a tipoff, maybe?), and his name was Ralph. *grin* We finally had to have him replaced. Can’t raise hogs if they aren’t reproducing, ya know.
We also had a male cat that jumped another male cat. Father to son or son to father, I don’t remember. This, I think, was a case of mistaken identity. Or he was bi.
And speaking of bi, I do have a problem with is bisexuals. That’s just greedy.
“That’s just greedy.”
You’re a naughty girl, RD.
Funny – but still naughty.
For eier, if he’s still watching from afar:
If you’re going to play with the big boys and girls (aka on public boards/blogs or in chatrooms), you need to grow…
…a thick skin.
This place is NOTHING compared to many others.
Or as we say in our estrogen-heavy family, put on your big girl panties and deal with.
Clark,
I’d blush, but I’m laughing too hard.
The next to the best comic relief on this thread: Fleety posts an argument that suggests he might have more than a middle schooler brain, and he gets accused of being a troll. Also Priceless. Still laughing at that one…
Well, since you put it that way Steven, it is funny.
I hadnt thought it exactly that way, but the post ALMOST made sense and that is what made me think…
…it couldnt be fleetie!
I’m laughing too now.
Well the SENTIMENT was clearly fleetesque.
I think the suspicion came from the fact that he was able to string together so many words semi-successfully!
Yes, KFG & J R. One bad thing about Eier leaving is that he and Fleety were in a neck and neck race for the BDP title. I was putting my money on Fletty, but Eier was offering a serious challenge.
These guys crack me up so much, I should have to pay for this.
I find it hard to believe that a person can be a husband, father, clearly living a heterosexual etc.. one day and be labeled a homosexual the next. I suppose you could say he was bisexual, if you have to attach a label. Or confused. I don’t know how that works. But in this case, it is clear he made a choice, and for Haggard, a very destructive choice that hurt his family deeply.
I think it is hooey when you hear things like, “Oh, he was just being true to his sexual nature.” Really. So he was just play acting when he fathered his children? A person doesn’t have to act on his impulses, wherever they come from. He isn’t the dog that CF mentions or the boar the RD described. Animals do what they do because it it feels good. And my dog wipes his butt on my carpet.
A person can decide. A person doesn’t have to wipe his butt on the carpet, so to speak. To contend otherwise is to demean our free will.
Is Haggard, “cured”. Nah. Because it’s not a disease, it’s a choice.
“Is Haggard, “cured”. Nah. Because it’s not a disease, it’s a choice.”
So, tomorrow Haggard will flip and decide that he is gay once again?
And the next day he wants to go back to his hetro lifestyle?
And just out of curiousity, how come you never hear about homosexuals deciding that they have become straight?
Or hetros deciding that they have flipped and now they are gay?
Being homosexual is not a disease, but it certainly is not a choice.
Reading all these claims that “it must be ‘natural’ since there are gay animals”…
I grew up on a farm, and I can honestly say that male animals are horny critters. ALL male animals: dogs, bulls, rams, boars, stallions…They’ll try to mount most anything that moves, including other males. It doesn’t make them gay – just horny.
I’m reminded of a joke about a rooster, but I’ll save it for another post. It’s almost KU/KState time!
WSClark, I think a person is a person. And they do what they do for reasons only they know for sure. We spend too much time trying to get the labels right.
BTW, everytime you post, I get a mental image of General Wesley Clark. Do you bear any resemblance?
“it is clear he made a choice”
Yeah, he made a choice to act on his natural homosexual urges.
Many gays have lived the lives of straight, upstanding people. If that’s what they CHOOSE to do, so be it. It’s just sad that they have been made to feel that they must.
Well, Nutz, that boar wasn’t interested in the gilts and sows, and there weren’t any other guys around (hog-wise, that is), so who knows? I only know he was much nicer than his replacement and not nearly as, um, inclined. :)
Very weird, these comments from males who insist sexual orientation is a choice. (can’t speak for the women)
Ain’t no way lovin’ women is a choice for me. What I mean is, I have no, nada, zero options. There is no option approaching in any way the option called “there’s a penis that’s not my penis and ain’t life grand.”
Any penis other than my own just makes me think “jesus.” Guys I like, but sex with guys is profoundly weird. It definitely ain’t natural.
‘Course, for KSGolfnut and outlander, I guess it don’t work that way. You guys sure all the tendons in your wrists are hooked up and workin’ properly?
Because frankly I have my doubts.
It is too bad that Christians are such hateful people and that they cannot see or feel the love of our Lord Jesus Christ in their hearts or display it in their lives. Rather they use the name of the Lord to preach hate, intolerance and homophobia. I love God. I just don’t care too much for His fans. I don’t agree that homosexuality is a normal behaviour but they are not hurting me and I have no reason to hate them.
I am glad to hear the pills worked Heh Heh!
Being homosexual is as normal as being born with red hair or left handed. Just because it ain’t your thing, doesn’t necessarily make it sick or weird. It’s part of human sexuality, always has been and always will be. Get over it.
Venus Williams??? Attractive??? Danm, CF, you are deranged!
Viva la Raza Blanco!!
Outlander
How very easy it must be to be you. No doubts. No second guesses.
No conscience.
No tolerance.
Anything that is different from what is written in your book is automatically a wrong choice and a justly punishable offense against “god”.
Had I known just how you had been assigned the agent of “god”? I’d not have washed my hand after shaking yours at the meetup!
“the real” Ian Santiago, you were outted at the last WE Blog meet-up. Go away – permanently!!!
To comment further, I’ll wait for another time.
Venus??? whoa, I must’ve missed that.
Yeah, she’s attractive if you’re into horses.
O&O because these people feel so compelled to live their lie, they bring others into it as well.
I know two people who were once married to gay people. Gay people who were living a lie, trying to convince themselves they were straight.
The fallout, unintentional, is sad.
The spouse is left feeling always like something is wrong with them, that they’re not attractive enough, that they’ve done everything they can think of to try to do what it takes to make the relationship work.
The gay person is not lying intentionally, necessarily, but when you have one person trying to make it work, and the other one is not saying the truth in why it’s not working…
yes I can imagine that Haggarts wife has never understood why he was probably not attracted to her in the bedroom. Of course, she only had religious counsel to guide her down the wrong path. And because of her religious beliefs, she’ll probably not get it when he comes back- that something is still not right and won’t be.
This is what happens because of this stigma. Everyone is affected. And it happens far more than you know.
That is downright mean Golf. And uncalled for.
Oh I get it, now if it was a black man, you’d be all turned on lol.
And yes, there are some very sexy black men out there. (No my husband isn’t black).
You know, folks, I read here many times… The case of Ted Haggard is strange in many ways… It baffles me terribly that nearly ALL of the focus of this man’s own personal tragedy was in trying to “cure” him, of a sexual malady, but nobody seemed interested in trying to cure him of his interest in Meth??? Ok, is there something wrong with this picture, on the part of his “counselors”?
hee hee hee hee
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK outie you win. Haggard is a straight man. He just likes to have sex with men.
Why would we think he was gay?
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
I am so sorry. I do see the error of my thinking.
I mean, the guy is married with children. The fact that he has sex with male prostitutes means nothing.
Just look at the marriage license on the wall. It tells us all we need to know. The church married him as a straight man, and by golly, the church doesnt care HOW many men he plays hide the choo choo with.
If he says he is straight, he is straight. No matter HOW MANY times he has sex with men.
I mean, who are we gonna believe? Ted the straight man? OR the lying male prostitute who had such hot sex multiple times with Ted?
Clearly, Ted is straight.
Thanks for making that clear outie.
And DAMMIT chas, get with the program.
Who cares that he is engaging in illegal sexual activity (prostitution)?
Who cares that he is buying illegal street drugs to enhance the “straight” sex he has with men?
I mean, what is buying, selling and snorting meth, in the grand scheme of things?
But being gay, now THAT is a problem!!!!!!!
Jesus wept.
Interesting. Notice that I have not said a thing in this whole thread denigrating homosexual individuals.Yet, the usual suspects, who post by rote because they have been indoctrinated and don’t think, make this an issue of defending homosexuality. Not to pick on you JR, but you are a prime example. Here is a quote:
“Anything that is different from what is written in your book is automatically a wrong choice and a justly punishable offense against “god”.” – JR
Now keep in mind that this guy had just had a sordid, drug fueled series of sexual encounters with a prostitute. Yet, we have a quasi defense of Haggard here from JR, presumably because it was a HOMOSEXUAL sordid, drug fueled sexual encounter with a prostitute. Homosexuality is irresistible in the minds of liberals. Because it is natural….
Notice too, that in the mind of a liberal, a person in this situation must be a homosexual who was caught up in a heterosexual world and living a lie. He could not possibly be a heterosexual individual who is struggling with homosexual feelings; as Haggard says he is. They know better than he. RD said that “he was acting on his “natural” homosexual urges”. Such wisdom! Or such BS. I think the latter.
And a quick thank you to The Eagle for once again ginning up the religious bigotry that is so much a core value of this filthy rag. Der Sturmer is alive and well in Wichita.
Outlander
Since meeting you personally, I have tried to be more tolerant of you and your faith.
I got out my sledgehammer after you posted this.
I think it is hooey when you hear things like, “Oh, he was just being true to his sexual nature.” Really. So he was just play acting when he fathered his children? A person doesn’t have to act on his impulses, wherever they come from. He isn’t the dog that CF mentions or the boar the RD described. Animals do what they do because it it feels good.
And my dog wipes his butt on my carpet.”
That last was what got me out. You are comparing how people feel on a very deep and personal level to your dog wiping its butt on the carpet.
Low out. Very low.
It is just that sort of stigma that drives folks like Haggard and Mark Foley underground and makes them hate themselves.
To me? YOUR faith is as incomprehensble and strange as homsexuality is to you. It is little different than any other religion. To ME it is suggestive of a delusional mind.
But I am endeavoring to treat you and others like you more tolerantly. Perhaps you could do the same?
JR, Thank you for your response.
I’m not comparing “how people feel on a very deep and personal level” to my dog wiping his butt on the carpet. I’m comparing having a sordid, drug fueled, series of sexual encounters with a male prostitute, to my dog wiping his butt on the carpet. My dog doesn’t know any better.
I do have compassion for Haggard. I get the impression that you do also. He made a bad choice. We all do at times. He should be forgiven. But what I object to is the implication that he had no choice.
Incidentally, it is strange that the same people who slammed Haggard earlier for hypocrisy are now implying that he had no choice.
The bottom line is that no one should pretend they know why a person does what they do. We are not in their shoes.
I am someone who struggles with sexual identity. The internal struggle is not black and white. I wake up some days feeling completely straight…and other days I feel completely gay. I am not happy with it. Finding lasting relationships is very hard when you are not sure if you should be with that person because of their sex.
“He could not possibly be a heterosexual individual who is struggling with homosexual feelings; as Haggard says he is.”
So, let me get this straight. Heheh.no pun intended.
If someone SAYS they are christian, you all say “well, he’s not a real christian”. Like phred phelps. HE says he is a model christian. YOU say you dont care what he says, he doesnt follow jesus.
But teddy? He SAYS he is straight, with homosexual feelings. (Stifling a giggle right now)
SO we SHOULD believe Ted, based on what he SAYS, not what he does.
But we shouldnt believe Phred, because what he SAYS he is, isnt valid if you look at what he does.
Got it outie.
Big eye roll here.
Yeah, no matter how many men he has wild sex with or how many times he seeks out that male prostitute, he isnt gay.
Just struggling with some feelings.
hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
I am EXHAUSTED from laughing at your tortured logic today.
God almighty outie, you should just quit while you are ahead.
Ya know, I was married to a man for eight years and had sex with men until I was thirty.
I guess that makes me STRAIGHT with homosexual tendencies?
Or HOMOSEXUAL with straight tendencies?
Yeah, that’s the ticket….
kfg: Did you read Jim G’s post? You don’t think that he is a person struggling without all the answers you think you have? He nukes your argument. Show a little compassion.
I dont agree that poor persecuted teddy the evangelical needs our sympathy ’cause he was just following his true nature in a world that hates his true nature.
Bull. shit.
He is a self loathing lying hypocrit who is in serious denial about his drug habit and his addiction to male prostitutes.
He just likes having all the perks of being a straight man while he makes a living bashing other queers like himself.
Yep. Self loathing lying drug addict queer prostitute john.
Oh, and an evangelical leader too.
Sounds like a parrot head.
“god’s own drunk and a god fearin’ man”
Hee hee hee hee hee
I think Haggard should be tied around the neck of every evangelical until he rots and stinks like fleetie’s dead chicken.
he’s all yours outie. You are ever so welcome to keep him on the straight and christian side of the fence.
He does so much more good for us queers OVER ON YOUR SIDE!!!!!!!
Kinda like phred phelps is the best fundraiser gays ever had. Like troy newman is the best fundraiser abortion lovers ever had.
Like outie is the best friend us athiests ever had…..
I’m sorry for whatever struggles jimg has. Really.
But he nukes my arguement… how?
JimG says he doesnt always know which side of the fence to sit on. That’s all.
I think that teddy the evangelical has SAT on the fence one too many times for his team allegiance to be in doubt……
Apples and oranges outie. But we are terribly amused, and do encourage you to try again.
kfg: How could I know your heart? How could you know Haggard’s?
But you made a choice and you are living your life the way you want to. I hope you’re happy.
heheheheheheheh. ROLLING on the floor laughing at outie.
So, if people are BORN straight and then just CHOOSE how to act…
…teddy cant make the choice?
I mean, if teddy the evangelical was born a murderer, he could just CHOOSE not to murder, no?
But he cant just CHOOSE not to be gay? He cant just CHOOSE to overcome his urges? He cant just CHOOSE to be straight the way he preaches others should do?
His confusion on that issue is ok? We should be tolerant of him preaching hate and discrimination because teddy the evangelical cant quite CHOOSE the right thing to do?
Right outie. The next time some christians like the boys in wyoming CHOOSE to kill another queer like matthew shepard, we should just let them go unpunished, ’cause ya know, they are just struggling with a choice.
Just like teddy the evangelical broke multiple laws regarding prostitution and meth ’cause he couldnt quite CHOOSE the right thing to do?
Jesus wept outie. That is a reach even for YOU.
Outie, you dont have to know my heart to know I am gay. Just like I dont have to know teddy the evangelical preacher’s heart to know HE is gay.
Your point?
kfg, your own life defeats your argument. You chose to have sex with men until you were thirty. After that, you chose to have sex with women.
But if you don’t think I know what I’m talking about with your life, you must also agree that you don’t know what you are talking about with Haggard.
…and outie, where is that oh so famous compassion for struggling people when the subject of gay marriage comes up?
Oh yeah, it is filed under “sin” in your church.
So we should have compassion for teddy, the president of the evangelical association, after he shows gay people NO compassion on the issue of gay marriage.
Do unto others outie. Teddy the evangelical preacher is getting the same compassion he has shown gay marriage advocates throughout his whole hate filled hypocritical career.
You just SO illustrated the mind of the modern day evangelical.
Preach hate, then hide behind the skirts of compassion when your own hate comes around and bites yer own ass.
Why is this pig haggard not being charged with soliciting prostitution, possession and use of an illegal class two drug, and doing hard time in prison?
Double standard?
Remember, “render unto caesar”. Haggard, by his own admission has broken both god’s law and man’s law with his antics.
And you want compassion?
hee hee hee hee
Outie, give it up!!!!
Sleeping with men didnt make me straight any more than sleeping with his wife made teddy the evangelical straight.
Obviously.
I do NOT need to know what teddy had in his heart to know that his ACTIONS were illegal.
So now you want to judge all criminals by what is in their hearts?
Heheheheh. Doesnt that even grate on YOUR ears outie?
Isnt there something about “you shall know them by their deeds”?
I dont care what his heart was feeling. I know what he was saying, and what he was DOING while he was saying.
And they dont all three match outie….
So I guess committing murder and then confessing it…
…DOESNT make one a murderer?
’cause ya know, he might not have had murder in his heart?
Outie, please. It is embarassing just WATCHING you here…..
kfg, you aren’t that thick. Good grief, you contradict yourself in the same post! First, sleeping with women doesn’t make you straight, nor does sleeping with his wife make Haggard straight. Actions right? Ignore them? Yes!
Then it’s; “I do NOT need to know what teddy had in his heart to know that his ACTIONS were illegal”. Ignore them? No!
Since you aren’t that thick, you’re just being obstinate. I’m not going to waste any more time to debate anyone who won’t address the points.
outlander
SO kfg lived one way for 30 years and then changed and you say that is a choice. You say the same for Haggard and I suppose for Mark Foley as well.
Has it not occurred to you that all these folks and so many more might have been TRYING to live what to their nature is an unnatural life?
Consider the more sordid behaviors of Foley (pedophilia) and Haggard (drugs) Might they not have been driven to them if they were not convinced by you and others that they are bad or unnatural?
JR, I dont agree with that. They behaved like pedophiles or gay men because they CHOSE to do so. NO ONE drove them to it in any way.
Outie, how convenient of you to disappear after throwing so many crap balls.
I choose to be gay. AND I was born this way. BOTH.
But teddy the evangelical preacher? He chooses the BENEFITS of being straight while CHOOSING to engage in gay sex.
What he did, soliciting a prostitute, is illegal. Buying, selling and using meth is illegal.
Why do I need to know what is in his heart to know he should be punished for breaking the law?
Why are you making excuses for this hypocritial, lying law breaker?
’cause he is a christian?
jesus wept.
And how about that compassion thing teddy the evangelical is reaping from his own hateful sowing?
No answers for your own hypocricy and torturred logic? Just huff off the blog?
heheheheheh
Yer sounding a lot like JM too these days.
…and no answer on the compassion you christians have shown to gay people who want the civil benefits of marriage?
Waiting…..
Outie,You need to get your dog to the vet!
Oh, I forgot, having had your tortured logic, religious bias, and willingness to defend someone who is a self admitted law breaker exposed, you left the field.
hehehehehehehehehehhehehehehehhe
So bloggers, here is the question.
Who poses more of a threat to “traditional family values”?
Teddy the evangelical who solicits male prostitutes, snorts meth, cheats on his wife and preaches hate from his bully evangelical pulpit?
Or my girlfriend and I having a secular marriage and sharing health insurance?
Think real hard outie before you answer.
I mean, who would you want YOUR children to have as a role model. Monogamous good citizens who happen to be gay? Or teddy the lying preacher?
Cue jeopardy music….
OK, just one more comment.
What was this thread about kfg? Take your time and read it, I’ll wait…..
Now, who was critical of Haggard for the poor and destructive CHOICE that he made? Me? Correct.
Ok, now show me where I defended Haggard. You can’t find it? Ok, so you made that one up.
OK, now who said nothing about you and your girlfriend, other than to say I hope that you are happy? Me? Right again!
OK, so your post is all made up crap. Good bye KFG.
Oh, and if I start to comment on a thread that has even the slightest hint of a homosexuality theme in it, someone please slap me!
kfg, you would probably volunteer, huh?
“Now, who was critical of Haggard for the poor and destructive CHOICE that he made? Me? Correct.”
Ok outie, I went back and read every post on this thread. I guess I am stupid. Please repost where you were critial of haggard.
And yes, I brought up about my gf and I getting married.
Wanna address the question?WHO would you have be a role model for your children? A MARRIED hypocrit like teddy the evangelical preacher?
Or my monogamous girlfriend and I who are UNMARRIED and living in sin, heheheh?
Still waiting for the answer as to why it is GOOD for teddy the evangelical lying, cheating hypocrit to be allowed ALL the legal benefits of marriage…
but it is NOT good for my monogamous and law abiding gf and I to be married?
I see you love to huff off in that oh so christian way of yours, but you just never seem to get around to answering the questions…
It’s not the whole gay thing – yes or no – that gets me about this guy. All I know is what I have read in the various news media, TV. A – he WAS leading a sort of double life, deceiving his wife but she’s apparently forgiven him, well good for her I guess; B – What he was preaching whilst making loads of money was contrary to the way he was living however. He was duping his congregation. That bothers me a whole lot more than whether or not he was gay or whether he’s been saved from being gay. I couldn’t care less about that.
Apparently ‘his’ church advisors have advised him to leave the state and relocate. And what I read indicated that he and his wife are ‘thinking’ about additional training of some sort to become psychologists? Psychologists? Now that’s scary! Really, really scary. (Not sure but I may have read about that on CNN.)
Doesn’t that bother anyone? Or am I just being a little testy about it.
There are lots of “christian” therapists out there already.
What’s one more unqualified therapist? I am quite sure they will only “counsel” those who already believe what they believe.
Good. They all deserve each other.
And no SANE gay person would go to them. SO why would I care if he wants to continue fleecing the flock under a different label?
Let him damage his own. If it is even possible for them to be MORE damaged than they already are.
I saw last night that a Washington State legislator has introduced a bill that, since marriage is a protected status for procreation purposes, would annul the marriage of any couple that remains childless three years after their wedding. Curiouser and curiouser!
The Washington State person is a idiot. Means nothing.
I think it’s really good for children to see Daddy living a double life and have his sexcapades exposed on national tv for being a hypocrite.
yeah that’s a positive role model.
I can only imagine how hard those kids must have it right now. To be told all your life that gay is evil and bad, and gay people burn in hell. Now daddy is one of those people they were taught to hate.
Well Mom, it’s even worse if, given that “the gay” runs in families, one or more of the kids is “one of those people” they’ve been taught will burn in hell and they’ve been taught to hate.
So, you see where the self loathing and denial of someone like teddy the evangelical liar is created. Right there in the church pew every Sunday morning.
And the kids hear it too.
So the cycle continues.
How sad that people are so ignorant, scared and intolerant of gays that they think homosexuality is a “condition” that needs to be cured. I have many gay friends and family that are wonderful role models. Being a decent, kind, and giving person has nothing to do with sexual preference.
I work around homosexuals and they never bother anybody. They are as good a people as regular sexuals are. I have no reason to hate on them and don’t know why anybody else would.
OK.
lol ‘the gay’. I’m going to start using that one.
When it comes to children and homosexuals, I do have some reservations- mainly with very young children that have not yet established a sexual sense. Life would be confusing for such a child. When it comes to adoption, of course any loving home is better than no home but first preference for children under 10 or so should be a regular couple if possible. I don’t believe homosexuals molest children anymore than regular sexuals do. I have read stats that prove that to be the case.
I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ taught in the New Testament that we are to love our neighbour as we love ourselves. That is what I live by and I have always been tolerant of homosexuals and any minority. If they are not hurting others, I have no reason to hate them. In fact, many of you might not recall but Wichita was one of the very first cities back in the 70s to prohibit discrimination against homosexuals- although Anita Bryant later got it voted out. I proudly supported it though. One of the few times Wichita “got it right” before others.
What the hell is there to “tolerate”? Two same sex people who care about and love each other? I don’t understand all this “tolerating”, do you “tolerate” people with blue eyes and red hair?That’s like saying “I’m not prejudice, afterall, I have black friends”.
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