It’s good that Marty Spence (in photo with boyfriend) is focused on achieving her goals. It’s just that most people don’t make posing for Playboy one of their ambitions in life. The WSU senior appears in the annual College Girls special edition (no, we’re not providing the link). "I’m not ashamed of what I’ve done," she said. "Playboy is a beautiful magazine."
Still, she’ll probably not be featured on a "I am Wichita State" billboard. But if the modeling thing doesn’t pan out, she might try NASA; it may be looking for a new astronaut.
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I personally don’t care what this girl does or does not do. But what bothered me about her story was that she was inspired to do modeling when she found her grandpa’s stash of Playboys when she was 14 yrs old? Now that’s weird.
I see no room for comparison between the tragedy of Lisa Nowak and the successful completion of a goal by Marty Spence. Save your “humor”, Brownlee, for late night talk shows and Jerry Springer. It’s not appropriate here.
Finally! A porn thread!
I thought guys read it for the articles not the pictures.
Julie, you mean there’s pictures in that magazine. Gee, I must have missed them. :-)
She’ll make enough money off this one job to pay for her college tuition. Conservative should like that she didn’t use government handouts
I’m already on the lookout for a copy of this issue. Anyone know who sells Playboy in town?
Golfnut, try any of the bigger bookstores or maybe the news/magazine store (can’t remember the name) on south Seneca.
I think they’re all on the top shelves, covered in brown wrappers. ;)
Julie, I haven’t thumbed through a Playboy for a long time (okay, I skipped the pix and never felt the urge to get airbrushed), but they always had excellent interviews.
I stopped reading Playboy when the average age of the “models” dropped below the ages of my daughters.
I always found the magazine to actually (really, I am not kidding) have good articles and interviews.
When the women featured in the articles started to get younger than my own daughters, I figured it was time to find another mag.
Besides, I prefer women that can actually talk intelligently. I am not saying that all the “models” are dumb, but most are not known exclusively for their brains.
I actually agree with WS here. On both counts; there is (or was, at one point) excellent writing in Playboy, but at some point you outgrow it. And I hear there’s some pictures of purty girls in it, too!!!
I think the link to Nowak is quite apropos; it appears that Nowak certainly didn’t use what NASA hired her for when she took off on her hair-brained cross-country adventure. I don’t know whether that’s tragedy or comedy; probably both. But it does give the phrase “she’s not a rocket scientist, is she” new meaning . . .
;-)
Lay off marty… i have class with her at WSU and she is an extremely sharp business student. She knows what she’s doing and is having a great time doing it. Stop hating on what she wants to do with her life and get your own.
wjschwartz,
If you want to earn some easy money, I’m sure KSGolfnut would be willing to pay you some of his big money for an autographed copy of that issue or especially pic.
Golfnutz,Just helping your cause here. :)
well said wjs.
Hey as has been posted above she will make a lot more in a few hours than she would clearing tables for months. I call that smart.
wjsadkjgajdhlzmcxnlajdkshuartz,I don’t think anyone was making fun of her. I just wanna see the pictures.
Roxie,Maybe. I DO have an autographed picture of Kelli McCarty (former Miss USA from Kansas) when I happened to sit right across the aisle from her on a flight from Memphis to St Louis in 1991. Ahhh, memories.
I have autographs (although not on pix) of the WSU basketball team members who whooped KU and sent them packing at the Sweet Sixteen(?) tourney back in the ’80’s. Talent trumps beauty. ;)
There’s more, but I hate to brag. ::blush:: (or not)
Oh God here I go again thinking too much, but even as a man I still see how messed up this is. The average woman has more earning potential using her body in some fashion then using her mind. It has to be over ten years since the last time I bought a Playboy and I do not remember the last time I looked at one. But yes, the young lady made more from this photo shoot then she will from any job she will get working forty hours.
As to her having an aspiration to being in Playboy, I have heard that is not that unusual . Many young women have thoughts of what it would be like to be a exotic dancers and the like. Playboy has been held as the ultimate in such magazines for years. To make centerfold is a dream, in a sense it is the extreme of being recognized as a real beauty. So much is placed on a woman’s physical appearance in our society, Super models and even centerfold is a award that is strived for.
This is just sick. I have 3 daughters, and it makes me sick to my stomach thinking that women actually do this for fun. It also makes me more sick that her grandpa had a stash, and that was her inspiration. That is just wrong. It’s kind of odd, though, that while men love to look at naked women, women do not ask for the favor in return. Is Playgirl out there getting little hottie college guys to pose?
Damned broads and minorities are ruining the space program, and that bugs me!
Viva La Raza Blanco!!
As a (male) instructor at WSU who teaches a lot of freshman classes, I see a lot of the interest women students have in allowing themselves to be blatantly objectified. And in working with grad students too, where there is more discussion of this issue, I can tell you definitively that there is one individual/cultural phenomenon responsible:
Rush Limbaugh.
When Limbaugh’s “revolution” cast the entire feminist movement as bra-burning, man-hating “feminazis,” the younger generation (and their conservative parents) heard it. The result has been a backlash toward being a “girly” girl, which apparently means allowing oneself to be an object of de-humanized, consumable desire, without understanding that the feminist movement has always been about promoting social equality for all kinds of women (man-hating and otherwise).
Once they (the grad students) hear this, the tune starts to change. But they and their entire generation have been sadly misinformed by a drug-hustling hypocrite college dropout ,who will say anything for ratings, pretending to be a political sage.
They tried to make a success of Playgirl, but only gay men ended up buying it on a regular basis. Just more proof that men think with the little head, not the big one.The human body is beautiful, I appreciate nudity when done tastefully and it’s not exploitive. I think Playboy is more dignified and respectful than magazines like Hustler.Is Hustler still around?
Women have always been objectified for the sexual gratification of men ever since man has walked upright (probably before), I don’t think anything has changed much.
Mary,
I agree that Playboy is the more tasteful of the group. It’s also more intellectual. Of the three (Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler), I’d rate them exactly as listed.
And, yeah, guys, even as a heterosexual female, I’ve seen them all. Penthouse Forum usually had me rolling on the floor laughing. What fantasies!
Why do men name their penis? Because they wouldn’t want a stranger making all their decisions!
As a friend of mine used to say, a woman voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
Hey, the real Ian Santigo,How’s the weather up there in Canada. Chilly, I am betting. Were your ears turning red on 01-25-07? They should have been.
Please go away, permanently, bogus boy. Your crap was never appreciated around here.
Tah tah…
On another thread, the goofnut brags on being able (as the employer he CLAIMS to be) to hire women for 15 % less pay than men.
SO I am very gratified that such a small head thinking fellow can be counter exploited and manipulated by an attractive young woman.
Junior,Please post a link to any thread where I said such a thing.
Goofnut?
GLAD to oblige! I’ll brb.
Goofnut?
Here ya go chubby.
“If I interview 50 men and 50 women for a job that can be done equally well by either gender, and I ask each applicant individually: “What do you think you should earn for this job?” The average woman is going to give a number about 15% lower than the average male”
You posted that yesterday on the Obama thread.
And golfnuts… here’s the link,http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/02/when_its_about_.html#comment-28897023
Golfnut,
The other’s links exposing your Scooter Libby-like memory led me to the pleasure of seeing your other comments. You think your daughter’s friend “would have laughed” if you had told her that she “doesn’t sound black”?
If she had done so it would only have been out of self-hatred or politeness toward an elder. But there’s no misconception possible regarding your posts. You are unmistakably an idiot.
This Nutz guy has to seek some therapy. Maybe longer than three weeks…
Junior,You said I claim to hire women for 15% less. I said they WILL work for less. I made no comment at all about my hiring practices.
Read, Junior….read.
Delsol,She said it herself: she doesn’t want to “sound black” because of the pejorative connotation.
She would rather sound educated. Her words. The words of a 14 yr old black girl. A very smart girl with highly educated parents.
Smart girl.
Not to mention golfnuts post,
“I know her [Rhonda Holman, Editorial Writer] IRL – she’s a very nice lady – and quite MILFy”http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/12/with_kline_bett.html#comment-26329747
golfnuts = true Republican “family values”.
=) She is a very nice lady.
Golfnut, go back and read your post. You said “IF I had told her she didn;t sound black”…not “she said it herself.”
It apparently has not occurred to you that what the girl was saying was distinguishing accent (or lack of it) WITHIN race–and what you are implying by your hypothetical statement to her about not sounding “black”–again, not “from the ghetto”, as she said– is that the accent or perception exists for the WHOLE race.
Which follows, of course, that YOU equate sounding “black” with sounding “ghetto”–not that SHE does.
That’s racism, jackass.
deli,the WHOLE point is that SHE does.
SHE. The girl. 14 yr old very smart black girl.
Are you this slow in real life?
Girl who is smarter than her friends’ parents, I bet.
AGAIN, read your post.Did she say “I try not talk like someone from the ghetto” or “I try not to talk BLACK”?
Re-read it Deli – maybe 3-4 times. Eventually you might get it.
OBVIOUSLY, reading comprehension is not your strong point.
But then, you’re from Kansas, right?
Did you know that the rest of the country think you hayseeds are stupid?
Do you talk Kansan?
I’m feeling spunky tonight after KU’s THRASHING of KState. =)
Bring it on!
She said she didn’t want to sound black, Deli.
Get it?
Out of the mouths of babes – or in this case, a 14 yr old.
golfnuts,
“Junior,You said I claim to hire women for 15% less. I said they WILL work for less. I made no comment at all about my hiring practices.”
golfnuts,
“Every single interview I’ve ever conducted has had the following question: “What do you think you should make in this position?” If I was planning on paying about $10, and the qualified applicant said “I think $8 is fair.” What **FOOLISH** businessman would pay $10?”http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/02/when_its_about_.html#comment-28898085
btw, $8 is 20% less than $10, not 15%.
NO….What you said she said was “the typical black person from the ghetto.” From that statement, It does NOT follow that ALL black people are from the ghetto, or that all black people speak this way. It only follows that the “typical black person from the ghetto” has an accent she finds objectionable–not that the TYPICAL BLACK PERSON, ghetto or no, has an accent she finds objectionable. See? NOT THE SAME.
YOU seem to believe that the TYPICAL BLACK person sounds like they are from the ghetto.
They put this kind of stuff on the SAT. Guess your score wasn’t good enough to get you out of Kansas.
Girl” “I don’t want to sound like the typical black person from the ghetto”
KSGOLFNUT: “YOU DON’T SOUND BLACK.”
“I don’t want to sound like a typical redneck from the sticks of Kansas”=some Kansans have an accent.
“You don’t sound Kansan”=ALL Kansans have an accent.
cos,Where in all of that did I say that I systematically pay less to women?
deli,you’ve just made yourself look silly now.
golfnuts,
“cos,Where in all of that did I say that I systematically pay less to women?”
So NOW you are claiming to be a “**FOOLISH** businessman”? Hey… whatever makes you happy, and “respectable”!
cos,Once again, you’ve brought your ability to read and reason into question. Here’s what I said:
“Labor is a commodity – a resource. It has a supply and a demand. It’s also an investment with risk and reward. It’s an asset to the business but never gets on the balance sheet. Every single interview I’ve ever conducted has had the following question: “What do you think you should make in this position?” If I was planning on paying about $10, and the qualified applicant said “I think $8 is fair.” What foolish businessman would pay $10?”
Where do I mention gender in any of all that? Or race? Or age? Or eye color?
The clear point is that good business owners or hiring managers evaluate a number of criteria before hiring anyone – one of which is the pay expected by the applicant. Some companies will say “this job pays $x/hr” without any regard to what the employee expects. That’s a poor strategy.
Assume I have a budget to hire 10 people at an average of $9/hr, and the potential employee pool has 3 candidates asking for $8/hr, 4 @ $9 and 3 @ $10. If I just blanketly hire them all at $9, then I’ll have 3 employees who immediately feel like they are working for less than they are worth, and they might not take the job at all – leaving me short handed. And the 3 that are making a dollar more than they asked are going to be happy, but not nearly enough to outweigh the unhappiness of the others.
Moreover, on average, women will ask for less than men. Younger applicants will ask for less than older ones. Minorities will expect less than whites. That’s a seperate discussion.
I doubt you’ve ever run a business, cos. I doubt you’ve ever had real budget responsibility. And I’m confident that you’ve never taken (and passed) a college economics class.
Goofnut
You’re a pig. EMBRACE it.
One reason this country can’t have a discussion about race is one isn’t allowed to say someone sounds “Black” when they speak. It’s not a slam, but some would say it is. End of discussion you racist pig.Some white people speak with a New York or Boston accent,but pointing that out is not a slam.
Remember Ebonics? It was silly then and silly now.
golfnut,
“The average woman is going to give a number about 15% lower than the average male…If I was planning on paying about $10, and the qualified applicant said “I think $8 is fair.” What **FOOLISH** businessman would pay $10?”
If you hire women, you seem to have said you’re paying them, on “average”, about 15% less than men.
Per usual, cos, you’re making an awful assumption.
The better idea, Golf, is to say the job pays this set amount, and make that set amount less than what you expect to pay. Then give them a nice raise when they prove themselves in 90 days.
You want a good employee, not just what you can hire for the cheapest.
If your employee feels valued, and you give them a raise, you’re going to get workers willing to work harder for you.
Incorrecto, PMom. I already addressed that philosophy. My plan works better.
Yeah for you.
“The better idea, Golf, is to say the job pays this set amount, and make that set amount less than what you expect to pay. Then give them a nice raise when they prove themselves in 90 days.”
There you go Golf-
Kind of like saying that shoes are 50% off. Some people think they are getting a real bargain so they buy two pair.
Those that have never owned a business or supervised employees don’t seem to understand the importance of managing expectations.
Giving periodic raises is a separate discussion – not applicable to this topic.
golfnut,
“Per usual, cos, you’re making an awful assumption.”
I assume your 300-pound-ness will want to prove I’m making an “awful assumption”?
ALL of us here are looking forward to your post, of the average amounts you pay your female, versus male employees.
Enough about the $$$ that she made…AT THE MOST she made 600 to 1000 bucks. If they use her in future editions then, obviously, the dollar amount goes up.She is in the special edition, not the Main Magazine where they pay the big bucks.The bottom line is this: She sold her body for money so that others could pleasure themselves…Draw your own conclusions.
“I assume your 300-pound-ness…”
More genius responses from our Lib friends.
I’ve learned not to expect much from cosmos – especially with regard to business strategy and practices.
golfnut,
I’ll assume by your refusal to post what you pay women versus men employees, that you pay the women less — perhaps 15%, as J R earlier noted.
Fleetwood,Saying someone speaks “black” is not a slam… unless it comes with a negative stigma attached to it.Here’s one criterion to determine if it has a negative stigma: Would the context of a conversation enable you to say that to a black person you considered a friend?
What Golfnut doesn’t understand is that he meant “you don’t sound black” as a COMPLIMENT. That assumes that the entire race has a “negative” accent. Is that fair?
Isn’t racism defined by propagating negative stereotypes and preconceptions? Intent and context matter. It’s not about ebonics. It’s about insulting those who would escape stereotypes but get lumped into the negative by the ignorant.
KSGolfnut is a good example of one of those people who says in confidence, “I’m not a racist, but…”When I hear that, I know the person actually is a racist, because no one who is not a racist has to qualify a sentence like that.