Sen. Hillary Clinton is getting a lot of questions, even from supporters, about her vote to authorize the Iraq war. Some Democrats want her to admit she made a mistake, but she’s resisting, repeating the refrain that, “If we knew then what we know now, I would never have voted to give this president the authority.”
But that’s an opening for Sen. Barack Obama, who based on the same information opposed the war as misguided, and for former Sen. John Edwards, who has clearly said his vote was a mistake.
Clinton comes off looking like just another pol, or like the current resident of the White House, who also famously can’t admit he made a mistake.
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Whoa! None of you lefties touching this!
Interesting article in the WSJ yesterday. Documents Billary’s past statements on the war.
Seems she has been very consistant. That is, consistantly saying what ever she thought the sheeple wanted to hear at the time!
Hank
“None of you lefties touching this!”
Naw, it just isn’t that interesting, Hank. You right wingers trashed everyone that even hinted that they opposed the war. Now you folks are trashing those that DID NOT oppose the war.
Funny, I don’t hear the right side trashing the Republicans that have always been behind this war of choice.
Hillary may not be the best candidate – time will tell – but she is a damn sight better than anything the Republicans can but up.
Personally, I am 100% behind Obama, but I will support Hillary if she gets the nomination.
I’ve never been left handed.I’ll touch it with my right.Hank, the GOP has NO CHANCE for a presidency in 2008.
You better vote for Billary.She’s the only dem that will definately keep this war going.
I’ll agree Hank. I think she will say what might bring in the most votes and try to say it so saying something different doesn’t sound waffling.
No.Ms. Inks, that’s Guliani’s game.He’s a republicrat.
WSC, I absolutely LOVED Obama’s SLAM of the Aussie idiot.(read idiot=GW supporter)
Hey, Trace, maybe we have a live one in Obama. Maybe someone that will FIGHT back like Kerry and Gore should have done.
Something tells me that Barack will tell the right to STFU when they need to be told to STFU.
Refreshing.
I asked the other day on another thread if the Republicans can ignore the times Rudy has behaved in a morally bankrupt manner. No one responded.
I really would like to see a candidate most of us in the middle could get behind. The division has gone on so long my grandson who started college last fall doesn’t know it’s not the norm. Has it become our norm? Are we destined to vote because of the “R” or “D” after the name and then spend at least four years defending or criticizing the one who is in office?
Linda, I fear it has become the norm. I recall talking with one of my daughters while watching the videotape of President Clinton’s remarks at KU during the dedication of the Dole Center when he spent a bit of his talk discussing the need to find the middle and move forward in a spirit of compromise; she looked at me and inquired, in essence, when had that been true; and I was hard pressed to come up with a time which had any relevance to her.
I’ll vote for the person, not the party; always have, always will. For many, though, both older and younger than I, the party label is the operative fact, if you will, in determining for whom they will cast their vote.
Just stirring the pot. Glad my stick didn’t come out clean!
Hank
WSC, AMEN!This guy’s got BALLS!I like him.
One thing from the 60 minutes interview kinda struck me as odd though.His wife’s statement:”As a black man, Obama can be shot just going to the gas station.”
Oh puh-leeze!You think they live in the ghetto?That’s about the silliest damned thing I’ve heard.Some of the white neighborhoods I’ve been through are bad.And you don’t get shot at the gas station just for being black (anymore).
Other than that, good interview.
linda,
As far as I’m concerned the most improtant thing that a president can do is appoint good judges.
I trust rudi t do that.
Hank
Hank just called me a shit-stick,without even saying it!Great job Hank.Oh sorry, I forgot.You ignore me, right.
Christ, Hank, I wouldn’t trust Rudy within 100 yards of my daughter.
vt-Respectfully, blah blah blah”I’ll vote for the person, not the party; always have, always will.
The party’s have a platform. The platform gives us a pretty good idea of what they believe in.The differences are stark enough between the two.
I believe in something, always have, always will.
Fleet, I’ll dissent from your posting on a platform; in my history, observed more in the breach than in practice.
I respect your position; just don’t agree with it.
“If you sit while you pee,
you must vote for me.”
– (A proposed campaign slogan for Hillary)
Aye Aye
Hey clark,
Don’t have a daughter. If I did I wouldn’t trust him either. As far as that goes I wouldn’t trust her with Hillary either!
Hank
Bumper sticker for Republicans and Democrats.
Run Hillary, Run!
Democrats put it on the back bumper.Republicans put it on the front.
Hank
The big question is who is going to run the Democratic show–the people party or the money party?
Hillary represents the money party. She’s basically backed by the same interests that back the RepubliCONs and she does them the same bend over–maintain US economic hegemony over the weak and powerless.
If that means keeping a non-threat like Cuba on an official list of “terrorist states” like Clinton did in 1999, so be it.
He did this while tacitly permitting anti-Castro elements to operate out of Miami to terror bomb Cuba in 1997, which killed an Italian tourist. (See Luis Posada Carriles)
What do we do to countries that “harbor terrorists” against us?
But of course our terrorism against Cuba is not, you know, terrorism or anything . . . because . . . uh . . . you know . . . they’re COMMUNISTS!
It’s essential that the Democratic wing of the Democratic party shut these people down once and for all.
Clinton has his chance to be a great president. He blew it. Or rather . . . well, you get it.
Clinton was one of the absolute best Republican presidents ever.
This time around, I have to hope like Hell that the Democrats don’t try to play Bush Lite and elect a so-called moderate Democrat.
There is a lot of work to be done – tax cuts to be rolled back on the richest 1% – environmental standards to be reestablished – and most importantly, a war to be ended and the beginning of the rehabilitation of the American image in the world.
Damn right, Clark.
Unfortunately, the two strongest left candidates IMHO chose not to run–Feingold and Gore.
I’m backing Obama. After what the ‘Pukes did to Kerry’s record, “no experience” is a good thing.
Richardson I could live with.
Kucinich has good ideas but is unelectable.
I agree with everything you said needs to be done, WSC! And, since naming judges is said to be “the most important thing a president can do,” I’m going to look at this whole subject with that in mind. We certainly can’t handle any more of Bush’s funny business so we need to be as sure as possible the next president is FAR from anything close to Bush&Co!
That statement about judges REALLY disappointed me Hank!
So, you wouldn’t trust Rudi around your daughter. Does that mean you WOULD trust Bill Clinton?
The Big Media has already fully invested in Hillary, because they know she’s one of them–a big Washington insider with no interest in the grass-roots.
Taking her down is up to us, folks.
Otherwise we hand the RePukes another pro-war, pro-status-quoist “go along to get along-er” that stands for nothing except her own career.
I would trust Biull for more than I would trust Rudy. Remember Rudy shacked up with his mistress while he was still married to wife number TWO.
All Clinton did was get a little blue dress sticky.
Besides, both of my daughters are smarter than Bill and Rudy put together. They don’t take crap from anyone.
But I might be biased.
“trust Biull”
Do you all think that was a typo or a subconcious slam on Clinton?
Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking too, Clark-ster.
“I pity the fool” that tries to take advantage of one of my girls . . .
Ya’ll don’t give up on Algore! I bet he announces when he picks up his Oscar!
Hank
This is part of the column Molly Ivins wrote the day after Bush “won” his second term and it sure desscribes what we are experiencing now.
—————–by Molly IvinsDo you know how to cure a chicken-killin’ dog? Now, you know you cannot keep a dog that kills chickens, no matter how fine a dog it is otherwise.
Some people think you cannot break a dog that has got in the habit of killin’ chickens, but my friend John Henry always claimed you could. He said the way to do it is to take one of the chickens the dog has killed and wire the thing around the dog’s neck, good and strong. And leave it there until that dead chicken stinks so bad that no other dog or person will even go near that poor beast. Thing’ll smell so bad the dog won’t be able to stand himself. You leave it on there until the last little bit of flesh rots and falls off, and that dog won’t kill chickens again.
The Bush administration is going to be wired around the neck of the American people for four more years, long enough for the stench to sicken everybody. It should cure the country of electing Republicans
And at least Democrats won’t have to clean up after him until it is real clear to everyone who made the mess…
—————–
Well, we’ve been wearing that “smelly stuff” for two years now and we (at least) know who made the mess.
I like Hillary, but I don’t care for her stance on the war right now. But I do defend her voting for the war, she was duped just as I was into backing it.
I was dead set against this war for a long long time before it started, but when Colin Powell went before the UN and made his case, I said “ok”. Since then Powell has come out and said he was duped as well.
If Colin was duped, I think it’s safe to say that Hillary was too.
Yes, I supported the war but I told the republicons ‘you had BETTER be right’.
And now we know they lied.
I am becoming more fond of Obama, I’ve been concerned that he may be too inexperienced, but wasn’t Kennedy also inexperienced?
I want Hillary for her ability to repair quickly relations around the world. I really hope that Obama and Hillary run together.
It would be perfect, democrats, a woman and a black man in the number 1 and number 2 positions.
Damn I’m missing Molly Linda, thanks for putting that up.
Amazing how dems were able to see into the future, able to predict that trainwreck from a mile away.
And yet, the republicons bury their heads in the sand.
P Mom and Linda – the world is a much poorer place without Molly. I still have my bookmark to Molly’s column – somehow, deleting it would be sacriligious.
I heard Bill Richardson on NPR’s TOT today. He sounds like my candidate. Though, I agree with his position on immigration, that one thing will kill his chances. But if Kansas gets a primary, he has my vote.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7385447
http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/5600716.html
I really hope that Hillary does not win the nomination because I think she polarizes the country too much and plays right into the hands of the Republicans. That being said I find it rather hypocritical of those that now want to beat her up because she believed the lies of the White House and so voted for allowing GW to go to Iraq. I bet there are a lot of you that can look back in your life and see a time when your made a decision based on flawed information and if you had known the truth you would have made a different decision. I know, the politicians call it flip flopping. I think it takes courage to say you were wrong. It’s a hell of a lot better than the present moron who never admits he made a mistake and continues to go toward the cliff with the rest of the lemmings!
As far as back then, I would not fault anyone for being for it. I was supportive in the beginning. Though I have my reservations even then. It just did not seem right. Did not add up, but Clinton should admit it was a mistake. yes knowing then what we know now would make a difference. But it is a honest mistake and she should admit it.
Steven Davis! Yeah! Bill Richardson is good.
But Rudy still has my vote. Although Bill Richardson would make an awesome Secretary of State.
I hear too many pro biz types speak well of Rchardson.
Buisiness already has too much on their side. They have for the last 20 + years.
I cannot vote for Richardson. If he gets the nomination I must vote Green.
I was initially against Hillary because of the look of 2 family dynasty.
But the more the right hates her? The more I like her.
Hank Price, in spite of himself, is right.
Al Gore is the only guy with cajones big enough to clean up the mess that Cheney has made. Al Gore gets CF’s vote.
And Hilary? She can go to hell; she’s spent the last five years stabbing real Democrats in the back and tacking toward a perceived center. That’s so, like, 1995.